1 00:00:10,705 --> 00:00:13,425 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,945 --> 00:00:17,465 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,505 --> 00:00:19,545 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded. 4 00:00:19,065 --> 00:00:24,185 Speaker 1: On Makeup is My Therapy. I'm in love, I'm obsessed, 5 00:00:24,345 --> 00:00:26,105 Speaker 1: and I don't even feel guilty a body. 6 00:00:29,385 --> 00:00:32,625 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to you Beauty, the daily podcast for 7 00:00:32,705 --> 00:00:36,225 Speaker 2: Your Face. I'm Kelly McCarran, and this is the formula, 8 00:00:36,665 --> 00:00:39,345 Speaker 2: the show where we get up close and personal with 9 00:00:39,465 --> 00:00:42,545 Speaker 2: the biggest names in skincare and beauty, and I get 10 00:00:42,585 --> 00:00:46,065 Speaker 2: to be ridiculously nosy about everyone's secrets. 11 00:00:46,625 --> 00:00:48,105 Speaker 1: Today we're diving into something. 12 00:00:48,225 --> 00:00:52,105 Speaker 2: The Internet is obsessed with Chris Jenner's new face, and 13 00:00:52,185 --> 00:00:53,625 Speaker 2: before you shouted. 14 00:00:53,265 --> 00:00:55,265 Speaker 1: Us, don't talk about women's faces. 15 00:00:55,625 --> 00:00:59,065 Speaker 2: This is the podcast for your Face, so shush. It's 16 00:00:59,105 --> 00:01:03,305 Speaker 2: not just Chris, Demi Moore, Christina Aguilera and Hathaway and 17 00:01:03,345 --> 00:01:07,185 Speaker 2: Lindsay Lohan have all suddenly turned up looking drastically different. 18 00:01:07,625 --> 00:01:11,025 Speaker 2: And it's not just whatever skincare trying to currently flog. 19 00:01:11,465 --> 00:01:14,745 Speaker 2: It's next level sorcery that everyone is wondering what on 20 00:01:14,785 --> 00:01:18,665 Speaker 2: earth is happening, But it's behind closed doors. To decode 21 00:01:18,665 --> 00:01:22,425 Speaker 2: this cosmetic wizardry. I've brought in doctor Catherine Bora, one 22 00:01:22,465 --> 00:01:26,425 Speaker 2: of Sydney's few female plastic surgeons working out of Macquarie Street, 23 00:01:26,865 --> 00:01:29,025 Speaker 2: and as creepy as it sounds, I'm very excited to 24 00:01:29,105 --> 00:01:32,585 Speaker 2: chat with her about Chris's new face. Welcome, Dr Bora. 25 00:01:32,865 --> 00:01:35,065 Speaker 2: I hope you're ready to answer everything I've been dying 26 00:01:35,105 --> 00:01:42,945 Speaker 2: to know. You are such beautiful, skilled How before we 27 00:01:43,025 --> 00:01:46,505 Speaker 2: get into the juicy stuff, I'm curious, are there any 28 00:01:46,945 --> 00:01:50,065 Speaker 2: total myths or misconceptions about facelifts that make you want 29 00:01:50,105 --> 00:01:52,505 Speaker 2: to scream when you hear them. What's the one thing 30 00:01:52,665 --> 00:01:54,585 Speaker 2: that you want our ubi is to take away from 31 00:01:54,625 --> 00:01:55,425 Speaker 2: this chat today. 32 00:01:55,785 --> 00:02:00,465 Speaker 3: I want them to realize that a facelift is a 33 00:02:00,585 --> 00:02:04,745 Speaker 3: very invasive medical procedure, and so I think sometimes people 34 00:02:04,785 --> 00:02:10,025 Speaker 3: see it as an extension of a beauty treatment like 35 00:02:10,225 --> 00:02:12,625 Speaker 3: a facial and you know, I just have a quick facelift, 36 00:02:12,625 --> 00:02:15,145 Speaker 3: and I think social media tends to play into that 37 00:02:15,225 --> 00:02:17,625 Speaker 3: a little bit. But it is a serious medical procedure 38 00:02:17,825 --> 00:02:20,705 Speaker 3: which is quite invasive and does carry risks. So it's 39 00:02:20,745 --> 00:02:22,665 Speaker 3: important to take that on board. 40 00:02:22,905 --> 00:02:26,065 Speaker 2: And I also think social media makes it hard because 41 00:02:26,465 --> 00:02:29,105 Speaker 2: a lot of it is so shrouded in secrecy, we 42 00:02:29,185 --> 00:02:33,185 Speaker 2: don't see how hard the recovery is for these people. 43 00:02:33,505 --> 00:02:36,225 Speaker 2: So it's almost like, oh, they just like went away 44 00:02:36,225 --> 00:02:38,945 Speaker 2: for the weekend and then they came out with a 45 00:02:38,945 --> 00:02:41,065 Speaker 2: whole new face. But that's actually not how it works 46 00:02:41,105 --> 00:02:41,385 Speaker 2: at all. 47 00:02:41,545 --> 00:02:43,785 Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, I think you really hit it on the 48 00:02:43,945 --> 00:02:46,145 Speaker 3: nail on the head there. I think what we don't 49 00:02:46,185 --> 00:02:49,025 Speaker 3: see is what they have access to. So when we 50 00:02:49,105 --> 00:02:53,625 Speaker 3: see a celebrity looking amazing after a transformation, and then 51 00:02:53,665 --> 00:02:56,385 Speaker 3: they have celebrity hair and makeup people following them around. 52 00:02:56,705 --> 00:02:59,545 Speaker 3: I saw that recently with one of the celebrities who 53 00:02:59,745 --> 00:03:01,905 Speaker 3: recently had a face, if she had her hair person 54 00:03:01,985 --> 00:03:04,185 Speaker 3: was there running around behind her fixing her hair up, 55 00:03:04,225 --> 00:03:07,025 Speaker 3: so she looked perfect, And we don't see the hard yards. 56 00:03:07,065 --> 00:03:07,625 Speaker 4: We don't see the. 57 00:03:07,705 --> 00:03:10,985 Speaker 3: Six weeks or more of recovery process and what they 58 00:03:11,025 --> 00:03:13,785 Speaker 3: look like in the first few hours after surgery or. 59 00:03:13,825 --> 00:03:15,825 Speaker 1: Weeks exactly exactly. 60 00:03:16,145 --> 00:03:20,585 Speaker 2: And as someone that's had rhinoplasty and did document it, 61 00:03:20,585 --> 00:03:22,105 Speaker 2: it is intense. 62 00:03:22,305 --> 00:03:26,305 Speaker 3: I think rhinoplastis is one of the more intense procedure. 63 00:03:26,305 --> 00:03:29,265 Speaker 3: I think any facial procedure is difficult because the recovery 64 00:03:29,265 --> 00:03:31,785 Speaker 3: period you can't hide it. It's not like a breast 65 00:03:31,865 --> 00:03:33,825 Speaker 3: or a body procedure where it's sort of under your 66 00:03:33,865 --> 00:03:36,425 Speaker 3: clothes and you can go about your job and every 67 00:03:36,465 --> 00:03:39,025 Speaker 3: time you see your face like it's there, and the 68 00:03:39,065 --> 00:03:41,065 Speaker 3: pain is different when it's in your face compared to 69 00:03:41,105 --> 00:03:42,065 Speaker 3: different parts of the body. 70 00:03:42,265 --> 00:03:43,825 Speaker 1: I think I completely agree. 71 00:03:43,825 --> 00:03:45,985 Speaker 2: I've also had my boobs done in my face was 72 00:03:46,025 --> 00:03:48,265 Speaker 2: just on a whole other level. But we're not talking 73 00:03:48,345 --> 00:03:52,185 Speaker 2: about my nose job today. We're talking about Well, the 74 00:03:52,265 --> 00:03:55,465 Speaker 2: thing that kicked off this conversation was Chris Jenner's new face. 75 00:03:55,945 --> 00:03:57,265 Speaker 1: But it's not just Chris Jenner. 76 00:03:57,345 --> 00:04:02,385 Speaker 2: It's Brad Pitt, Demi Moore, Lindsay Lohan, they've all been transformed, 77 00:04:02,625 --> 00:04:07,025 Speaker 2: well allegedly by doctor Stephen Levine, who's apparently the go 78 00:04:07,105 --> 00:04:12,425 Speaker 2: to for a natural in But what does a natural 79 00:04:12,465 --> 00:04:14,025 Speaker 2: looking face lift actually mean? 80 00:04:14,705 --> 00:04:17,825 Speaker 3: I think what people are talking about with natural is 81 00:04:18,545 --> 00:04:21,705 Speaker 3: going away from the image of we all had a 82 00:04:21,745 --> 00:04:24,225 Speaker 3: facelifts back in the maybe the seventies and eighties, where 83 00:04:24,265 --> 00:04:28,225 Speaker 3: people would look overstretched, overtight, you know, their mouse pulled 84 00:04:28,425 --> 00:04:32,745 Speaker 3: in a very unnatural often I would say bizarre fashion, 85 00:04:33,025 --> 00:04:36,465 Speaker 3: where you would instantly be recognized as having had a procedure, 86 00:04:36,985 --> 00:04:41,465 Speaker 3: whereas these days, most people, including celebrities, I imagine are just 87 00:04:41,505 --> 00:04:44,145 Speaker 3: looking to look like a good version of themselves, like 88 00:04:44,265 --> 00:04:46,185 Speaker 3: minus some of the aging. 89 00:04:46,305 --> 00:04:48,865 Speaker 1: Fresher, younger, healthier. 90 00:04:48,945 --> 00:04:56,505 Speaker 3: Perfect, Yes, so not transforming their face into something that's different, bizarre, unnatural. 91 00:04:56,905 --> 00:04:58,545 Speaker 3: So I think that's what we're talking about. We're just 92 00:04:58,585 --> 00:05:01,585 Speaker 3: looking for a better version of ourselves, not a different person, 93 00:05:01,705 --> 00:05:04,185 Speaker 3: because I think sometimes the older faces can make people 94 00:05:04,225 --> 00:05:05,065 Speaker 3: look a bit alien. 95 00:05:05,425 --> 00:05:08,225 Speaker 2: I was just thinking that, like the way that their 96 00:05:08,265 --> 00:05:11,585 Speaker 2: face is then shaped, pulled, very alien like. 97 00:05:12,025 --> 00:05:12,545 Speaker 4: Yeah. 98 00:05:12,625 --> 00:05:16,705 Speaker 2: So with these new natural facelifts and different natural sort 99 00:05:16,705 --> 00:05:19,945 Speaker 2: of tweakments or enhancements that people are getting done. The 100 00:05:19,985 --> 00:05:23,545 Speaker 2: thing is is that Chris Jenner, Demimore, Brad Pitt, they're 101 00:05:23,585 --> 00:05:25,945 Speaker 2: all in their sixties. So that's sort of the age 102 00:05:25,945 --> 00:05:30,505 Speaker 2: bracket that you'd expect for a potential facelift customer. Kristin, 103 00:05:30,545 --> 00:05:34,705 Speaker 2: Aguilera and Hathaway are only in their forties, and Lindsay's 104 00:05:34,745 --> 00:05:36,745 Speaker 2: in her thirties. She's only a few years older than me. 105 00:05:37,265 --> 00:05:40,545 Speaker 2: So why is it getting younger and younger? And do 106 00:05:40,585 --> 00:05:44,305 Speaker 2: you think that this is putting pressure on us regular folk? 107 00:05:44,425 --> 00:05:47,185 Speaker 2: Like have you seen an increase in younger people wanting 108 00:05:47,225 --> 00:05:48,065 Speaker 2: this sort of work? 109 00:05:48,385 --> 00:05:53,185 Speaker 3: There is definitely an increase in younger people. They're interested 110 00:05:53,225 --> 00:05:56,785 Speaker 3: in all levels of rejuvenation, whether it's let you see 111 00:05:56,985 --> 00:06:00,545 Speaker 3: lots of young women at Sephora and Mecca, for example, 112 00:06:00,745 --> 00:06:05,865 Speaker 3: buying really complicated, expensive beauty routines retinol, yeah, exactly. And 113 00:06:05,905 --> 00:06:09,385 Speaker 3: then there's you know, everyone into this preventive botox and 114 00:06:10,145 --> 00:06:13,465 Speaker 3: in their twenties, which there's no evidence that getting ahead 115 00:06:13,465 --> 00:06:17,305 Speaker 3: of aging is actually worthwhile. And I think social media 116 00:06:17,785 --> 00:06:21,785 Speaker 3: fuels like we're bombarded with images of ourselves through platforms 117 00:06:21,825 --> 00:06:25,345 Speaker 3: like this, through Zoom for example, We're looking at ourselves 118 00:06:25,385 --> 00:06:28,665 Speaker 3: constantly and we notice these changes, and then when you 119 00:06:28,745 --> 00:06:31,865 Speaker 3: compare that to a celebrity in your age group, you think, well, 120 00:06:32,225 --> 00:06:34,385 Speaker 3: why can't I look that good? Or there's something wrong 121 00:06:34,385 --> 00:06:36,985 Speaker 3: with me if I don't look that good. So I 122 00:06:36,985 --> 00:06:39,945 Speaker 3: think there is the tendency, particularly as a woman, to 123 00:06:40,025 --> 00:06:42,665 Speaker 3: feel inadequate, and to want to hold onto your looks 124 00:06:42,785 --> 00:06:44,785 Speaker 3: or what you perceive is the right look for longer 125 00:06:44,825 --> 00:06:48,185 Speaker 3: and longer. And I think younger people are more vulnerable 126 00:06:48,225 --> 00:06:50,945 Speaker 3: to that. And I know personally I didn't sort of 127 00:06:51,185 --> 00:06:53,785 Speaker 3: get really comfortable in my own skin until my forties, 128 00:06:53,905 --> 00:06:56,105 Speaker 3: late forties, really after I had my kids and I 129 00:06:56,145 --> 00:06:58,385 Speaker 3: sort of, Yeah, I feel comfortable, and I think you 130 00:06:58,385 --> 00:07:00,505 Speaker 3: don't get that in your twenties and thirties, and so 131 00:07:00,545 --> 00:07:04,065 Speaker 3: you're vulnerable to doing these superficial things to try and 132 00:07:04,145 --> 00:07:07,265 Speaker 3: make yourself feel better from the outside rather than from within. 133 00:07:07,665 --> 00:07:08,905 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so true. 134 00:07:09,065 --> 00:07:12,225 Speaker 2: And people are coming to you with this sort of thing, 135 00:07:12,585 --> 00:07:15,985 Speaker 2: like how do you navigate that If someone's you know, say, 136 00:07:16,025 --> 00:07:18,625 Speaker 2: thirty five and wanting a facelift. 137 00:07:18,265 --> 00:07:20,985 Speaker 4: I'm just really honest with them, like, I'll do it. 138 00:07:21,185 --> 00:07:23,905 Speaker 4: You don't need it, I will, you. 139 00:07:23,865 --> 00:07:26,145 Speaker 3: Know, give certainly, give them the time, like I'll do 140 00:07:26,225 --> 00:07:28,265 Speaker 3: an assessment. I'll talk to them about the things that 141 00:07:28,305 --> 00:07:30,705 Speaker 3: are concerning them, and I'll try to put it into 142 00:07:30,705 --> 00:07:33,225 Speaker 3: context with where I think they are, you know, in 143 00:07:33,305 --> 00:07:35,625 Speaker 3: terms of the general population for their age, and most 144 00:07:35,625 --> 00:07:39,145 Speaker 3: of them are gorgeous. And what I say to them is, look, 145 00:07:39,545 --> 00:07:42,305 Speaker 3: you're going to keep aging. Aging is not a disease, 146 00:07:42,825 --> 00:07:44,585 Speaker 3: but you are going to continue to age, and you've 147 00:07:44,585 --> 00:07:46,385 Speaker 3: got to come to terms without it at some stage, 148 00:07:46,425 --> 00:07:49,265 Speaker 3: because I can guarantee you, when you're forty five, you 149 00:07:49,385 --> 00:07:51,105 Speaker 3: wish that you look like you did now when you're 150 00:07:51,145 --> 00:07:51,665 Speaker 3: thirty five. 151 00:07:51,825 --> 00:07:52,745 Speaker 1: That's so true. 152 00:07:53,105 --> 00:07:56,105 Speaker 2: But I also think sometimes it's not always the case. 153 00:07:56,145 --> 00:07:57,785 Speaker 2: Because if you told me that I could look the 154 00:07:57,785 --> 00:08:00,865 Speaker 2: way that I did at twenty five instead at thirty five, 155 00:08:00,905 --> 00:08:04,545 Speaker 2: I'd be like, yikes, no way, I think I'm way 156 00:08:04,585 --> 00:08:08,185 Speaker 2: hotter now. Yeah, And I think that's age and confidence 157 00:08:08,265 --> 00:08:08,905 Speaker 2: though as well. 158 00:08:09,025 --> 00:08:12,945 Speaker 3: It's in a confidence, but aging adds character and that's 159 00:08:12,985 --> 00:08:16,105 Speaker 3: agree And I think especially in the age of AI, 160 00:08:16,185 --> 00:08:19,145 Speaker 3: where if you look online at AI models and images 161 00:08:19,185 --> 00:08:23,785 Speaker 3: of beauty, they're all morphine into something that is unattainable and. 162 00:08:23,465 --> 00:08:24,665 Speaker 1: Essentially the same thing. 163 00:08:25,145 --> 00:08:27,665 Speaker 2: It's all just like a weird AI version of each 164 00:08:27,705 --> 00:08:28,865 Speaker 2: other exactly. 165 00:08:29,145 --> 00:08:33,025 Speaker 3: And what makes us unique is the different way we age. 166 00:08:33,585 --> 00:08:34,345 Speaker 1: I agree. 167 00:08:34,585 --> 00:08:39,185 Speaker 2: So doctor Levine's facelist started around forty five thousand USD, 168 00:08:39,425 --> 00:08:41,905 Speaker 2: so if you're in Australia, that's like close to one 169 00:08:41,985 --> 00:08:45,785 Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars. What in the world makes these procedures 170 00:08:45,825 --> 00:08:46,665 Speaker 2: so expensive? 171 00:08:47,185 --> 00:08:51,945 Speaker 3: Okay, So in cosmetic surgery there's no set fee, so 172 00:08:51,985 --> 00:08:55,505 Speaker 3: there's no regulation about fees. So as a baseline, people 173 00:08:55,585 --> 00:08:58,665 Speaker 3: charge what they need to charge to cover costs of 174 00:08:58,745 --> 00:09:00,665 Speaker 3: running a business and then make a profit just like 175 00:09:00,705 --> 00:09:05,025 Speaker 3: any other business. And the more specialized and renowned you 176 00:09:05,065 --> 00:09:07,705 Speaker 3: get for a particular procedure, the market. 177 00:09:07,465 --> 00:09:09,945 Speaker 4: Allows you to charge more and more and more. So 178 00:09:10,425 --> 00:09:11,505 Speaker 4: it's a bit like wine. 179 00:09:11,585 --> 00:09:13,825 Speaker 3: You know, if you have a twenty thousand dollars bottle 180 00:09:13,865 --> 00:09:16,065 Speaker 3: of red wine, is it going to be so much 181 00:09:16,065 --> 00:09:18,385 Speaker 3: better than a five hundred dollars bottle of red wine. 182 00:09:18,505 --> 00:09:19,505 Speaker 4: No, it comes down to. 183 00:09:19,465 --> 00:09:22,745 Speaker 3: Scarcity of that resource. So if you're a top plastic 184 00:09:22,745 --> 00:09:24,865 Speaker 3: surgeon and you want to do two or three faceifs 185 00:09:24,905 --> 00:09:26,305 Speaker 3: a week, there's a limit to how many you can 186 00:09:26,345 --> 00:09:28,945 Speaker 3: do in a year, So that makes your services scarce, 187 00:09:29,185 --> 00:09:30,225 Speaker 3: so you can charge more. 188 00:09:30,545 --> 00:09:33,865 Speaker 2: I also think it comes down to, like I personally 189 00:09:33,865 --> 00:09:38,985 Speaker 2: wouldn't want someone that hasn't done that many or doesn't 190 00:09:38,985 --> 00:09:41,505 Speaker 2: have that sort of background, Like a lot of it 191 00:09:41,545 --> 00:09:44,585 Speaker 2: comes from his expertise, I'd say as well, right, yeah. 192 00:09:44,745 --> 00:09:48,745 Speaker 3: When it comes to facial cosmetic procedures, patients are looking 193 00:09:48,745 --> 00:09:51,745 Speaker 3: for somebody who's not right at the beginning of their career, 194 00:09:51,825 --> 00:09:55,585 Speaker 3: someone who's had experience. And what experience does is it 195 00:09:56,025 --> 00:09:58,465 Speaker 3: helps you in your assessment of what can be done. 196 00:09:58,465 --> 00:10:01,665 Speaker 3: It helps you understand what can be achieved and if 197 00:10:01,665 --> 00:10:04,585 Speaker 3: that aligns with what the patient wants, and it means 198 00:10:04,585 --> 00:10:08,385 Speaker 3: that you've actually had enough complications and bad outcomes to 199 00:10:08,505 --> 00:10:11,025 Speaker 3: understand how to avoid those things down the track. 200 00:10:11,385 --> 00:10:14,105 Speaker 2: Yes, you never want to be someone's first bad outcome. 201 00:10:14,385 --> 00:10:18,065 Speaker 3: No, but we all have our first yes yet and 202 00:10:17,585 --> 00:10:21,665 Speaker 3: even the star plastic surgeons in New York still get complications. 203 00:10:21,705 --> 00:10:24,625 Speaker 2: In Australia, what would we expect to fork out for 204 00:10:25,225 --> 00:10:28,145 Speaker 2: something like that if we were facelift curious. 205 00:10:27,825 --> 00:10:30,185 Speaker 3: In terms of costs in Australia, So when we talk 206 00:10:30,225 --> 00:10:32,905 Speaker 3: about it, a cost for surgery, patients should be given 207 00:10:32,905 --> 00:10:36,625 Speaker 3: that upfront and that should include surgeon fee, anesetus fee, 208 00:10:36,985 --> 00:10:39,705 Speaker 3: hospital fees and then follow up so it needs to 209 00:10:39,705 --> 00:10:42,945 Speaker 3: be all inclusive. So you'd be looking at a starting 210 00:10:42,985 --> 00:10:46,545 Speaker 3: fee of around thirty thousand dollars up to you know, 211 00:10:46,545 --> 00:10:49,625 Speaker 3: one hundred thousand dollars. But it also depends on the 212 00:10:49,705 --> 00:10:52,225 Speaker 3: type of face lift in any ancillary procedures you may 213 00:10:52,225 --> 00:10:55,425 Speaker 3: be having, like for example, fat grafting and eyelid procedures. 214 00:10:56,025 --> 00:10:58,905 Speaker 3: So that's a very broad range, but it is mandatory 215 00:10:58,905 --> 00:11:02,225 Speaker 3: in Australia with OPRO guidelines to be very upfront with 216 00:11:02,265 --> 00:11:05,225 Speaker 3: your fees and look, fees are a very important part 217 00:11:05,265 --> 00:11:07,785 Speaker 3: of the conversation. That amount of money is a huge 218 00:11:07,825 --> 00:11:10,145 Speaker 3: amount of money. You know, for most people, and when 219 00:11:10,145 --> 00:11:12,705 Speaker 3: it comes to choosing a surgeon, I think in Australia 220 00:11:12,785 --> 00:11:15,385 Speaker 3: it has been murky because there has previously not been 221 00:11:15,425 --> 00:11:18,745 Speaker 3: regulations as to who can perform cosmetic surgery. Who can 222 00:11:18,745 --> 00:11:22,065 Speaker 3: call themselves a surgeon. Now the title of surgeon now 223 00:11:22,145 --> 00:11:25,905 Speaker 3: is protected, so if you're, for example, a GP, there's 224 00:11:25,905 --> 00:11:28,185 Speaker 3: nothing stopping you performing a facelift. 225 00:11:28,425 --> 00:11:29,465 Speaker 1: That is terrifying. 226 00:11:30,065 --> 00:11:32,705 Speaker 3: Yep, but that's the rules. But they can no longer 227 00:11:32,745 --> 00:11:35,465 Speaker 3: call themselves a cosmetic surgeon. They can call themselves a 228 00:11:35,465 --> 00:11:39,785 Speaker 3: cosmetic doctor or a cosmetic physician. So what potential patients 229 00:11:39,825 --> 00:11:42,825 Speaker 3: need to understand is what the actual qualifications behind a 230 00:11:42,905 --> 00:11:45,865 Speaker 3: doctor's names mean. A safe start is to make sure 231 00:11:46,105 --> 00:11:51,305 Speaker 3: the doctor is medically registered as a specialist surgeon. For example, 232 00:11:51,305 --> 00:11:53,345 Speaker 3: you can go to the Austrange Society of Plastic Surgeons 233 00:11:53,385 --> 00:11:56,345 Speaker 3: website or ASPS for sure, and that has listed all 234 00:11:56,345 --> 00:11:59,745 Speaker 3: the fully qualified plastic surgeons who perform cosmetic surgery. 235 00:12:00,105 --> 00:12:02,065 Speaker 1: Okay, that's such a good tip for people. 236 00:12:08,025 --> 00:12:11,065 Speaker 2: Let's talk recovery, because no one ever admits to getting 237 00:12:11,065 --> 00:12:13,065 Speaker 2: these things done, as we sort of said at the top, 238 00:12:13,585 --> 00:12:16,225 Speaker 2: so let alone. They're not going to share what the 239 00:12:16,265 --> 00:12:19,265 Speaker 2: recovery is like Chris Jenna, let's use her as the example. 240 00:12:19,425 --> 00:12:21,145 Speaker 2: What is that downtime looking like? 241 00:12:21,785 --> 00:12:24,425 Speaker 3: I think you would need a minimum of at least 242 00:12:24,425 --> 00:12:27,585 Speaker 3: six to eight weeks to be able to walk out 243 00:12:27,665 --> 00:12:29,025 Speaker 3: with cameras on. 244 00:12:28,945 --> 00:12:30,625 Speaker 4: You because you're so puffy. 245 00:12:30,945 --> 00:12:32,705 Speaker 2: And I mean, the thing is is that she has 246 00:12:33,105 --> 00:12:36,065 Speaker 2: access to you know, she's probably got an omnilux or 247 00:12:36,225 --> 00:12:38,585 Speaker 2: light therapy thing at home that is good for recovers 248 00:12:38,585 --> 00:12:39,945 Speaker 2: if she could just stick her head onto. 249 00:12:39,785 --> 00:12:40,265 Speaker 1: That all the time. 250 00:12:40,305 --> 00:12:42,265 Speaker 2: But she would have access to so many things to 251 00:12:42,305 --> 00:12:43,985 Speaker 2: help speed up recovery, there. 252 00:12:43,905 --> 00:12:46,465 Speaker 4: Is only so much that those things can exactly. 253 00:12:46,945 --> 00:12:49,705 Speaker 3: For example, you know, laser treatments to scars, that sort 254 00:12:49,745 --> 00:12:50,105 Speaker 3: of thing. 255 00:12:50,225 --> 00:12:51,505 Speaker 4: The biggest factor. 256 00:12:51,265 --> 00:12:53,625 Speaker 3: In recovery is time, and that's not something you can 257 00:12:53,665 --> 00:12:56,985 Speaker 3: fast forward. So it takes a minimum of three to 258 00:12:57,025 --> 00:13:02,025 Speaker 3: four weeks before you have a reasonable amount of puffiness 259 00:13:02,025 --> 00:13:04,545 Speaker 3: that you could appear in public. Most of my patients 260 00:13:04,545 --> 00:13:06,745 Speaker 3: say it's four months before they start to feel a 261 00:13:06,785 --> 00:13:09,625 Speaker 3: bit sort of human or like they're usual selves, because 262 00:13:09,865 --> 00:13:12,225 Speaker 3: the skin can feel numb for a very long time. 263 00:13:12,625 --> 00:13:15,025 Speaker 3: So even though someone might look presentable with a full 264 00:13:15,025 --> 00:13:18,425 Speaker 3: face of makeup, good lighting, good hair, at six weeks, 265 00:13:18,465 --> 00:13:20,145 Speaker 3: and it may look like it was of a very 266 00:13:20,225 --> 00:13:23,865 Speaker 3: quick transformation. If you were able to see them before 267 00:13:23,905 --> 00:13:26,705 Speaker 3: they got dressed, made up, hair done, I think the 268 00:13:26,705 --> 00:13:27,985 Speaker 3: real picture would be quite different. 269 00:13:28,145 --> 00:13:31,065 Speaker 1: There'd be a lot of bruising still potentially. 270 00:13:30,825 --> 00:13:32,785 Speaker 4: Potentially, and everybody bruises differently. 271 00:13:33,665 --> 00:13:37,665 Speaker 2: Okay, So on an aesthetic level, because obviously some really 272 00:13:38,065 --> 00:13:41,025 Speaker 2: dark things could obviously happen with any sort of medical procedure, 273 00:13:41,585 --> 00:13:43,705 Speaker 2: but what can go wrong with this sort of work? 274 00:13:44,065 --> 00:13:46,785 Speaker 3: Okay, So with any surgery, there's an anesthetic, and the 275 00:13:46,785 --> 00:13:50,505 Speaker 3: anesthetic for facelifting procedures could be from four to six hours. 276 00:13:50,545 --> 00:13:53,385 Speaker 3: So need to be fit enough from a general medical 277 00:13:53,425 --> 00:13:56,465 Speaker 3: perspective to undergo that sort of length anesthetic for a start, 278 00:13:56,785 --> 00:14:00,705 Speaker 3: it's a very tedious operation in terms of we as 279 00:14:00,745 --> 00:14:03,505 Speaker 3: a surgeon have to go very slowly because especially in 280 00:14:03,505 --> 00:14:05,985 Speaker 3: a deep plane. Left just under that deep plane and 281 00:14:06,105 --> 00:14:10,025 Speaker 3: all the nerves called the facial nerve that work the 282 00:14:10,105 --> 00:14:13,185 Speaker 3: muscles of facial expression. So every time you smile, crinkle 283 00:14:13,265 --> 00:14:16,145 Speaker 3: your eyes, wriggle your nose, those are called the muscles 284 00:14:16,145 --> 00:14:20,785 Speaker 3: of facial expression, and the nerves that motor those muscles 285 00:14:21,065 --> 00:14:24,065 Speaker 3: are directly underneath the layer we are lifting, so you 286 00:14:24,385 --> 00:14:26,745 Speaker 3: have to go very slow and carefully when you're doing 287 00:14:26,745 --> 00:14:28,265 Speaker 3: a face ift. That's why it takes so long. And 288 00:14:28,305 --> 00:14:30,785 Speaker 3: there's a lot of stitching and that has to be 289 00:14:30,865 --> 00:14:33,825 Speaker 3: immaculate in order to get good scars. So that's why 290 00:14:33,865 --> 00:14:36,305 Speaker 3: it's a long procedure. It's not like having brain surgery. 291 00:14:36,425 --> 00:14:39,265 Speaker 3: It's very deep inside a body cavity. It's very superficial 292 00:14:39,265 --> 00:14:42,465 Speaker 3: in terms of the body location. But it has to 293 00:14:42,505 --> 00:14:43,745 Speaker 3: be very careful surgery. 294 00:14:44,065 --> 00:14:46,785 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is such a gory question, but like, 295 00:14:47,265 --> 00:14:49,025 Speaker 2: is the whole face peeled off? 296 00:14:49,465 --> 00:14:52,225 Speaker 3: No, So in a lower face and necklift or a 297 00:14:52,265 --> 00:14:55,185 Speaker 3: deep plane left say the middle third of the face, 298 00:14:55,265 --> 00:14:58,105 Speaker 3: the skin in that section is left intact, but the 299 00:14:58,145 --> 00:15:01,785 Speaker 3: next skin is lifted off and the cheek skin from 300 00:15:01,825 --> 00:15:05,745 Speaker 3: the sides towards that middle third is lifted off. So 301 00:15:05,825 --> 00:15:08,105 Speaker 3: it's not like peeling down the skin from the top, 302 00:15:08,145 --> 00:15:10,785 Speaker 3: for example, because the skin still needs a blood supply, 303 00:15:10,865 --> 00:15:13,225 Speaker 3: and we have these facial archy, which is a big 304 00:15:13,305 --> 00:15:16,265 Speaker 3: archery that comes in here and supplies the skin and 305 00:15:16,265 --> 00:15:18,705 Speaker 3: that's what keeps the skin alive during the process. 306 00:15:19,265 --> 00:15:20,705 Speaker 1: Okay, oh gosh. 307 00:15:20,945 --> 00:15:24,185 Speaker 2: When it comes to things that are botched with something 308 00:15:24,305 --> 00:15:25,305 Speaker 2: like a face lift. 309 00:15:25,345 --> 00:15:26,185 Speaker 1: What can go wrong? 310 00:15:26,425 --> 00:15:29,905 Speaker 3: So there can be true complications, So damage to that 311 00:15:29,945 --> 00:15:33,185 Speaker 3: facial nerve can leave to temporary or permanent problems with 312 00:15:33,665 --> 00:15:36,825 Speaker 3: facial expression. There can be damage to the skin or 313 00:15:36,865 --> 00:15:39,345 Speaker 3: even death of the skin because of poor blood supply. 314 00:15:39,625 --> 00:15:42,385 Speaker 3: There can be asymmetries in terms of the way one 315 00:15:42,425 --> 00:15:45,385 Speaker 3: side is slightly tighter than the other. But often there 316 00:15:45,385 --> 00:15:47,785 Speaker 3: are some underlying asymmetries we have naturally. 317 00:15:48,105 --> 00:15:49,745 Speaker 1: Most people do, don't they. 318 00:15:50,025 --> 00:15:53,345 Speaker 3: It's something that really can be very frustrating as a surgeon, 319 00:15:53,385 --> 00:15:54,905 Speaker 3: and you have to come to terms with it that 320 00:15:55,265 --> 00:15:58,505 Speaker 3: people will never scrutinize their faces as closely as they 321 00:15:58,545 --> 00:16:00,065 Speaker 3: do after surgery. 322 00:16:00,305 --> 00:16:04,145 Speaker 2: Yeah, So how different is so say someone comes to 323 00:16:04,145 --> 00:16:06,385 Speaker 2: you and says that I want to facelift. How different 324 00:16:06,425 --> 00:16:09,265 Speaker 2: is the approach whether you are doing someone in their 325 00:16:09,265 --> 00:16:13,305 Speaker 2: sixth dase versus someone in their forties or fifties or 326 00:16:13,985 --> 00:16:16,585 Speaker 2: is that then sort of just dependent on how they 327 00:16:16,625 --> 00:16:17,705 Speaker 2: have aged naturally? 328 00:16:17,785 --> 00:16:19,025 Speaker 1: And also I guess genetics. 329 00:16:19,105 --> 00:16:23,265 Speaker 3: Yes, I mean every patient has their own individual circumstances 330 00:16:23,305 --> 00:16:26,385 Speaker 3: in terms of how they look their aging and what 331 00:16:26,425 --> 00:16:29,225 Speaker 3: they want to achieve. There can be vast differences in 332 00:16:29,625 --> 00:16:31,785 Speaker 3: for example, someone who spent a lot of time in 333 00:16:31,785 --> 00:16:33,585 Speaker 3: the sun, who has a lot of photo aging at 334 00:16:33,625 --> 00:16:35,505 Speaker 3: sixty is going to look very different to someone who 335 00:16:35,545 --> 00:16:38,345 Speaker 3: grew up in a country with very little sun exposure, 336 00:16:38,385 --> 00:16:40,225 Speaker 3: or someone who's looked after their skin in terms of 337 00:16:40,225 --> 00:16:42,865 Speaker 3: sun protection. But if they were the same person, both 338 00:16:42,905 --> 00:16:45,465 Speaker 3: looked after their skin, both had the same amount of 339 00:16:45,505 --> 00:16:48,825 Speaker 3: sun protection, good genetics, then yes, there are still differences 340 00:16:48,865 --> 00:16:50,905 Speaker 3: in how I would approach that their patterns of aging 341 00:16:50,985 --> 00:16:52,945 Speaker 3: are going to be different just because of the length 342 00:16:52,985 --> 00:16:55,825 Speaker 3: of time and in the person who's looked after themselves. 343 00:16:56,065 --> 00:16:58,625 Speaker 3: The main problem is going to be just a gravitational 344 00:16:58,625 --> 00:17:01,585 Speaker 3: effects which you can't escape. There's no way to escape gravity. 345 00:17:01,985 --> 00:17:04,945 Speaker 2: No, exactly as we get old or we get saggia. 346 00:17:06,305 --> 00:17:10,225 Speaker 2: And how much does genetics though influence the aging process, 347 00:17:10,305 --> 00:17:13,705 Speaker 2: Oh a huge amount. Say two people both never have 348 00:17:13,785 --> 00:17:16,185 Speaker 2: touched the sign, but one of them could still look 349 00:17:16,265 --> 00:17:17,025 Speaker 2: vastly different. 350 00:17:17,145 --> 00:17:21,025 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, because genetics is from the inside out, so 351 00:17:21,065 --> 00:17:22,065 Speaker 3: it's your bone structure. 352 00:17:22,305 --> 00:17:23,345 Speaker 4: So the way you. 353 00:17:23,305 --> 00:17:26,265 Speaker 3: Age is dependent upon things as simple as your bone structure. 354 00:17:26,305 --> 00:17:28,865 Speaker 3: So having a prominent cheek, or we call it the 355 00:17:28,905 --> 00:17:32,265 Speaker 3: mailer area or the jawline area, so having a strong 356 00:17:32,585 --> 00:17:35,065 Speaker 3: bony structure to your face mean that you will age 357 00:17:35,105 --> 00:17:38,105 Speaker 3: differently to someone who has less support for their skin. 358 00:17:38,425 --> 00:17:40,345 Speaker 1: I've got a very bony face. Does that mean I'm 359 00:17:40,345 --> 00:17:40,785 Speaker 1: going to age? 360 00:17:41,105 --> 00:17:43,345 Speaker 3: But it also depends on what your skin genetically, what 361 00:17:43,385 --> 00:17:44,025 Speaker 3: your skin is. 362 00:17:44,185 --> 00:17:47,065 Speaker 2: Are there any other options, because, like you know, as 363 00:17:47,105 --> 00:17:50,225 Speaker 2: we were talking about earlier, it's quite expensive. What are 364 00:17:50,305 --> 00:17:52,985 Speaker 2: options that could work, if any? 365 00:17:53,265 --> 00:17:55,665 Speaker 3: So some patients will come in with a very set 366 00:17:55,705 --> 00:17:57,465 Speaker 3: idea of I want a facelift, I want this, I 367 00:17:57,505 --> 00:17:59,745 Speaker 3: want that, And some people will come in I don't 368 00:17:59,785 --> 00:18:01,865 Speaker 3: know what I want, but can you tell me what 369 00:18:01,865 --> 00:18:05,105 Speaker 3: my options are from nonsurgical through to surgical, And that's 370 00:18:05,145 --> 00:18:07,305 Speaker 3: how I would start. I say, well, a facelift is 371 00:18:07,305 --> 00:18:11,585 Speaker 3: great for gravitational effects with jarling deep with Naser laby 372 00:18:11,625 --> 00:18:15,585 Speaker 3: of folds. Now, depending on the depths and the degree 373 00:18:15,625 --> 00:18:21,425 Speaker 3: of aging, sometimes filler can, for example, camouflage that to 374 00:18:21,465 --> 00:18:25,025 Speaker 3: a certain point, because it's very easy to go overboard 375 00:18:25,185 --> 00:18:27,265 Speaker 3: and you see people who have gone way too far 376 00:18:27,345 --> 00:18:30,945 Speaker 3: down that pathway and then they start looking weird. You 377 00:18:31,025 --> 00:18:34,185 Speaker 3: may be a candidate for a lesser procedure. For example, 378 00:18:34,265 --> 00:18:36,705 Speaker 3: if someone said, look, what would be the one thing 379 00:18:36,745 --> 00:18:38,585 Speaker 3: you would do for my face, and a lot of 380 00:18:38,585 --> 00:18:40,625 Speaker 3: times that could be just doing an upper left throplasty, 381 00:18:40,665 --> 00:18:43,625 Speaker 3: which might which is less than ten thousand dollars all up, 382 00:18:44,025 --> 00:18:46,665 Speaker 3: and taking the heaviness out of someone's eyes making them 383 00:18:46,705 --> 00:18:50,225 Speaker 3: look more awake and fresh. Is I think one of 384 00:18:50,225 --> 00:18:52,305 Speaker 3: the best sort of if to use a crew term 385 00:18:52,385 --> 00:18:53,985 Speaker 3: bang for buck procedures there is. 386 00:18:54,225 --> 00:18:58,265 Speaker 2: I also think the results are just outstanding. I agree, 387 00:18:58,425 --> 00:19:01,945 Speaker 2: because you don't even realize sometimes that someone has their 388 00:19:02,025 --> 00:19:04,785 Speaker 2: upper eyelids just starting to get a little bit saggyer 389 00:19:05,305 --> 00:19:07,945 Speaker 2: and you don't realize how much opening that whole area 390 00:19:08,065 --> 00:19:09,865 Speaker 2: up can the difference that it can make. 391 00:19:10,345 --> 00:19:12,665 Speaker 3: That's one of my favorite procedures for someone who's not 392 00:19:12,745 --> 00:19:15,865 Speaker 3: ready to go into a full face rejuvenation, and that 393 00:19:15,945 --> 00:19:17,465 Speaker 3: may be all somebody needs. 394 00:19:23,985 --> 00:19:25,665 Speaker 1: I mean, what is your self carety? 395 00:19:25,905 --> 00:19:27,105 Speaker 4: Give us the dirty detail. 396 00:19:30,185 --> 00:19:32,865 Speaker 2: Can we talk about your skin care routine? 397 00:19:32,905 --> 00:19:34,585 Speaker 1: Because you've got such good skin. 398 00:19:35,185 --> 00:19:36,705 Speaker 3: This comes back to the days when I was at 399 00:19:36,785 --> 00:19:39,345 Speaker 3: medical school and like a young resident and interested in 400 00:19:39,345 --> 00:19:42,065 Speaker 3: plastic surgery and skin and I didn't have much money, 401 00:19:42,385 --> 00:19:45,225 Speaker 3: so I was really into the science of what actually works, 402 00:19:45,265 --> 00:19:48,745 Speaker 3: what doesn't work, and what are the really good affordable 403 00:19:48,785 --> 00:19:51,945 Speaker 3: options out there because I couldn't afford, you know, lamaire 404 00:19:52,105 --> 00:19:55,025 Speaker 3: face creams. And the truth is, like there are some 405 00:19:55,145 --> 00:19:56,825 Speaker 3: really excellent products that don't. 406 00:19:56,625 --> 00:19:57,785 Speaker 4: Cost a lot of money. 407 00:19:58,105 --> 00:20:00,905 Speaker 3: So I start in the morning with cleansing, like usually 408 00:20:00,905 --> 00:20:04,425 Speaker 3: a mix of Aha Bhapha type cleanser in the morning, 409 00:20:04,505 --> 00:20:07,705 Speaker 3: just to freshen up the skin the glycolic or the acids. 410 00:20:07,945 --> 00:20:10,505 Speaker 3: And then I will use serum, so I always use 411 00:20:10,545 --> 00:20:12,585 Speaker 3: a vitamin C serum in the morning, and I use 412 00:20:12,665 --> 00:20:16,265 Speaker 3: niacinamide and basically because I'm targeting pigment in my skin, 413 00:20:16,545 --> 00:20:20,185 Speaker 3: but they also have effects on improving collagen production and 414 00:20:20,225 --> 00:20:23,545 Speaker 3: brightening the skin. And then I will follow up with 415 00:20:23,785 --> 00:20:25,945 Speaker 3: sunscreen and some of those actually have a bit of 416 00:20:25,985 --> 00:20:27,545 Speaker 3: a tint in it, which means that then I don't 417 00:20:27,545 --> 00:20:30,505 Speaker 3: actually use even foundation. And in the evening once again 418 00:20:30,585 --> 00:20:33,465 Speaker 3: I will use a little wipes that have some hydroxy 419 00:20:33,465 --> 00:20:35,905 Speaker 3: acids in them. And then at nighttime I tend to 420 00:20:35,905 --> 00:20:39,585 Speaker 3: focus on retinols. And I've got really sensitive skin, so 421 00:20:39,625 --> 00:20:42,505 Speaker 3: I can't take a prescription strength rentinol more than once 422 00:20:42,545 --> 00:20:44,745 Speaker 3: a week, so I'll use a prescription strengths like a 423 00:20:44,745 --> 00:20:47,865 Speaker 3: retrieve cream once a week, but otherwise I'm using a 424 00:20:47,905 --> 00:20:51,465 Speaker 3: retinol product or a retinol product, and then I'm using 425 00:20:51,585 --> 00:20:52,945 Speaker 3: a moisturizer after that. 426 00:20:53,185 --> 00:20:56,425 Speaker 1: Well, ones are your favorites, I'm so intrigued. 427 00:20:56,105 --> 00:20:58,145 Speaker 3: So I do use skin cuticals at the moment. I 428 00:20:58,185 --> 00:21:00,425 Speaker 3: do like to chop and change because I just like variety, 429 00:21:00,585 --> 00:21:03,625 Speaker 3: so I use that. It is very expensive. So for example, 430 00:21:03,945 --> 00:21:05,945 Speaker 3: if I was giving advice to someone in their twenties, 431 00:21:05,985 --> 00:21:08,385 Speaker 3: I would be using products from something like an Australian 432 00:21:08,385 --> 00:21:11,065 Speaker 3: company like the Ordinary, which is a great company with 433 00:21:11,265 --> 00:21:15,345 Speaker 3: really affordable products, or even serav and all of those 434 00:21:15,785 --> 00:21:19,065 Speaker 3: have now have vitamin C niceinamid type products. 435 00:21:19,145 --> 00:21:19,905 Speaker 4: But personally, at. 436 00:21:19,785 --> 00:21:22,985 Speaker 3: The moment, I'm using skin cuticles for my nicinamide and 437 00:21:23,225 --> 00:21:27,865 Speaker 3: vitamin C for my over the counter retinol or retinaur products. 438 00:21:27,945 --> 00:21:29,705 Speaker 3: I like a company called Medicate. 439 00:21:30,305 --> 00:21:30,985 Speaker 1: Oh yes. 440 00:21:31,305 --> 00:21:33,785 Speaker 3: So the reason I like their products, the retinal products 441 00:21:33,785 --> 00:21:36,105 Speaker 3: in particular, is they have a step wise progression, so 442 00:21:36,145 --> 00:21:38,425 Speaker 3: you start with the one, and then there's a three, 443 00:21:38,505 --> 00:21:40,865 Speaker 3: and then there's a six, so you can gradually get 444 00:21:40,865 --> 00:21:44,185 Speaker 3: your skin tolerant of the higher percentage. And then when 445 00:21:44,265 --> 00:21:47,865 Speaker 3: it comes to sunscreen, I really like the Australian brand Ultraviolet. 446 00:21:47,945 --> 00:21:49,305 Speaker 1: It gives a nice glass, give a. 447 00:21:49,265 --> 00:21:51,985 Speaker 4: Glow, and it's a really comfortable product to wear. 448 00:21:52,705 --> 00:21:57,985 Speaker 2: We always finish our episodes with the one skincare technique 449 00:21:58,025 --> 00:22:01,385 Speaker 2: or ingredient that you absolutely love and recommend to everyone. 450 00:22:02,065 --> 00:22:05,105 Speaker 2: And then on the opposite, what is something that you 451 00:22:05,305 --> 00:22:07,145 Speaker 2: just think is so not worth it? 452 00:22:07,465 --> 00:22:11,545 Speaker 3: I think the retinal products, because retinol or rtinoric acid, 453 00:22:11,545 --> 00:22:14,385 Speaker 3: which is the active ingredient, is the only gold standard 454 00:22:14,745 --> 00:22:18,265 Speaker 3: proven ingredient with before and after biopsies of people who 455 00:22:18,305 --> 00:22:21,745 Speaker 3: are aging to actually show an absolute difference when it 456 00:22:21,745 --> 00:22:25,185 Speaker 3: comes to hype. Things that don't live up like whe 457 00:22:25,225 --> 00:22:30,025 Speaker 3: would just be moisturizers, like thick moisturizers without particularly any 458 00:22:30,025 --> 00:22:33,625 Speaker 3: active ingredients are never going to change anything in the 459 00:22:33,625 --> 00:22:36,585 Speaker 3: long term in terms of aging. They feel great when 460 00:22:36,585 --> 00:22:38,665 Speaker 3: they're on, they feel like they're plump and you're smooth 461 00:22:38,745 --> 00:22:41,025 Speaker 3: and hydrated, but they only last as long as they're 462 00:22:41,025 --> 00:22:42,985 Speaker 3: on your face. And the other thing I really don't 463 00:22:43,105 --> 00:22:47,665 Speaker 3: like is ingestible products for beauty like collagen tablets, and 464 00:22:48,105 --> 00:22:50,145 Speaker 3: the idea that you can swallow something and it's going 465 00:22:50,185 --> 00:22:52,945 Speaker 3: to improve your skin is I think a bit crazy. 466 00:22:53,145 --> 00:22:55,625 Speaker 1: Oh, make your hair grow heat if you have. 467 00:22:56,185 --> 00:22:59,105 Speaker 3: A deficiency in a protein or a vitamin C or 468 00:22:59,145 --> 00:23:01,585 Speaker 3: a zinc, which are all important for the skin. Yes, 469 00:23:01,985 --> 00:23:04,785 Speaker 3: ingestible products are important, but most of us don't have 470 00:23:04,825 --> 00:23:07,345 Speaker 3: a deficiency living in the country where we are. 471 00:23:07,305 --> 00:23:09,305 Speaker 1: So you just think big waste of money. 472 00:23:09,385 --> 00:23:09,585 Speaker 3: Yep. 473 00:23:10,065 --> 00:23:13,745 Speaker 2: Well, we appreciate you coming on and talking all things 474 00:23:13,785 --> 00:23:15,745 Speaker 2: facelift and everything. 475 00:23:16,665 --> 00:23:18,265 Speaker 1: This has been so interesting. 476 00:23:18,465 --> 00:23:18,785 Speaker 3: Thank you. 477 00:23:19,545 --> 00:23:22,025 Speaker 2: We're going to pop links to go find you and 478 00:23:22,185 --> 00:23:24,745 Speaker 2: your TikTok. Can you explain actually if someone hasn't seen 479 00:23:24,785 --> 00:23:25,745 Speaker 2: your TikTok's what you do. 480 00:23:25,905 --> 00:23:28,625 Speaker 3: Yeah. So most people are visual learners, and I think 481 00:23:28,625 --> 00:23:32,145 Speaker 3: it's important to understand an operation before you have the operation. 482 00:23:32,305 --> 00:23:34,385 Speaker 3: You need to know what you're getting yourself into. But 483 00:23:34,425 --> 00:23:38,785 Speaker 3: most people can't look at an actual operation understandably. So 484 00:23:39,265 --> 00:23:43,465 Speaker 3: I try to recreate steps of procedures using Plato and 485 00:23:43,945 --> 00:23:46,185 Speaker 3: it takes a long time, and it's been a long 486 00:23:46,305 --> 00:23:48,665 Speaker 3: learning curve of how to actually operate on Plato and 487 00:23:48,665 --> 00:23:49,665 Speaker 3: make it look realistic. 488 00:23:50,025 --> 00:23:51,945 Speaker 4: I try to just recreate. 489 00:23:51,545 --> 00:23:54,425 Speaker 3: Various operations, all the operations I'm planning to cover. For example, 490 00:23:54,425 --> 00:23:56,905 Speaker 3: I've just done a deep plane facelift with Plato that's 491 00:23:56,905 --> 00:23:59,025 Speaker 3: on my TikTok to show you the layers of the 492 00:23:59,065 --> 00:24:00,985 Speaker 3: face to show you how we elevate the skin and 493 00:24:00,985 --> 00:24:03,945 Speaker 3: how we elevate the deep plane and how we secure that, 494 00:24:04,425 --> 00:24:05,865 Speaker 3: just to give you an idea of what you're actually 495 00:24:05,905 --> 00:24:06,785 Speaker 3: getting yourself into. 496 00:24:06,945 --> 00:24:10,585 Speaker 2: That's so good, though fun Thank you for the on 497 00:24:10,665 --> 00:24:12,785 Speaker 2: behalf of all of us, because I think that's just 498 00:24:12,825 --> 00:24:15,665 Speaker 2: so helpful to know you're so right and doing it 499 00:24:15,705 --> 00:24:19,345 Speaker 2: in an easier to digest manner is just genius. 500 00:24:19,385 --> 00:24:22,385 Speaker 3: It's so much more approachable, and I can show people 501 00:24:22,425 --> 00:24:25,705 Speaker 3: and my consultations actually real life photos of surgery, and 502 00:24:26,065 --> 00:24:28,625 Speaker 3: I think as a starting point to educate people, it's 503 00:24:28,705 --> 00:24:30,545 Speaker 3: more accessible than the actual operations. 504 00:24:31,105 --> 00:24:33,985 Speaker 2: Oh well, we'll pop a link to your TikTok in 505 00:24:34,025 --> 00:24:37,305 Speaker 2: our show notes. Doctor Catherine Bora, thank you so much 506 00:24:37,345 --> 00:24:39,545 Speaker 2: for joining us today and giving us a real no 507 00:24:39,905 --> 00:24:43,425 Speaker 2: BS look at facelifts and modern cosmetic surgery. 508 00:24:43,745 --> 00:24:46,505 Speaker 1: I've learned so much, and I'm sure the ubis have too. 509 00:24:47,145 --> 00:24:50,505 Speaker 2: Whether you're a Chris Joanna Stan facelift curious or just 510 00:24:50,625 --> 00:24:53,425 Speaker 2: love geeking out over beauty tech like I do, I 511 00:24:53,465 --> 00:24:56,425 Speaker 2: hope this episode has given you a better understanding of 512 00:24:56,465 --> 00:25:00,705 Speaker 2: what's really possible and what's actually realistic. If You're interested 513 00:25:00,705 --> 00:25:03,225 Speaker 2: in learning more about doctor Borrow's work, will pop all 514 00:25:03,225 --> 00:25:05,625 Speaker 2: of her details in the show notes for you. And 515 00:25:05,705 --> 00:25:09,185 Speaker 2: as always, if you have enjoyed this episode, polease check 516 00:25:09,185 --> 00:25:11,985 Speaker 2: out it in Instagram at you Beauty podcast and have 517 00:25:12,025 --> 00:25:14,345 Speaker 2: a look at our YouTube channel. All of the links 518 00:25:14,345 --> 00:25:16,625 Speaker 2: are in the show notes, and don't forget to subscribe 519 00:25:16,665 --> 00:25:17,705 Speaker 2: to our beauty newsletter. 520 00:25:18,465 --> 00:25:20,105 Speaker 1: This episode of You Beauty was. 521 00:25:20,065 --> 00:25:23,385 Speaker 2: Produced by Molly Harwood and Sophie Campbell, with audio production 522 00:25:23,465 --> 00:25:26,345 Speaker 2: by Lou Hill. Thanks for listening and we'll be back 523 00:25:26,385 --> 00:25:27,305 Speaker 2: in your ears tomorrow. 524 00:25:27,465 --> 00:25:33,985 Speaker 4: Bye.