WEBVTT - Bonnie Blue requested an interview with us. We almost said no 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:10.000 You're listening too a Molnar podcast. It's Free player. 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:13.280 Executive producer of No Filter. Here just a note before 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:16.959 we begin this episode. This conversation with Bonnie Blue was 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:19.800 recorded while she was in Bali before she was detained 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:24.079 by Indonesian authorities. In the days after our recording, Bonnie 0:00:24.119 --> 0:00:28.160 was arrested during an investigation into alleged breaches of Indonesia's 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:29.999 strict anti pornography. 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:30.480 And morality laws. 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:34.680 Police later confirmed they had not found any pornographic activities 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:38.400 or materials and that no criminal pornography charges would be brought. 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:43.120 Bonnie was then transferred to the care of Indonesia's Immigration office, 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:46.080 who determined she had breached the conditions of her tourist 0:00:46.160 --> 0:00:49.240 visa by creating commercial content while in the country. 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:51.000 She was ordered to be. 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:54.000 Deported and blacklisted from returning to Indonesia for at least 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:57.440 ten years, with officials indicating that the band may be extended. 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:01.160 As of publication, Bonnie has now been deported from Bali 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:04.200 and has returned to the United Kingdom. What you are 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:07.319 about to hear is the original interview we recorded with Bonnie. 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:09.840 Prior to these events. 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:12.520 I would never have been able to achieve sleeping with 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:16.080 a thousand people if it wasn't for the women. The 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:18.800 women are not my target audience, but they are the 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.000 ones that will reshare my TikTok so, the ones that 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:25.160 will build the comment sections, the ones that show how 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:30.240 for straighted they are, which escalates the press, and within 0:01:30.320 --> 0:01:32.240 that it's been able to allow me to build a 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:33.440 bigger name for myself. 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:45.800 Hello friends, I'm kateline Brook and you are about to 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:49.120 hear a conversation with Bonnie Blue. Or perhaps you're not 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:52.040 going to hear the conversation with Bonnie Blue. And that's fine, 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:55.960 we understand because inside Mama Mia, we spent a long 0:01:56.040 --> 0:02:01.040 time discussing whether this interview should even happen. Weeks of conversations, 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.120 long meetings, phone calls. 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:03.920 After hours. 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:08.999 Every woman on the team had strong feelings, some negative, 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:12.760 some for it, some very complex. 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:16.240 Before we begin, we want to acknowledge something. 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:19.400 You might be angry that we're speaking to Bonnie Blue, 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:23.520 and so were we. So the questions we kept returning 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:27.880 to were these, why would we do this, why give 0:02:27.920 --> 0:02:31.560 her any space at all? And importantly, what did she 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:36.480 want from us? Because here is something you may not know. 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:42.320 Bonnie Blue's team reached out to us, and that baffled us. 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:46.919 She specifically asked to come on no filter. She wanted 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:48.320 this conversation, and. 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:49.840 She wanted it with us. 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:53.320 What did she think Mamma Maya could do for her? 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:58.200 What did she believe she had to say to our audience? 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:02.880 Why approach a platform whose entire mission is making the 0:03:02.920 --> 0:03:07.200 world better for women and girls, something we unanimously agreed 0:03:07.640 --> 0:03:12.920 is not something Bonnie Blue contributes to. Ultimately, we agreed 0:03:12.920 --> 0:03:15.480 to do it because we needed to understand two things, 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:19.079 what if anything, could be gained from having this conversation, 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:23.280 and why she was so determined to have it with us. 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.120 We were not interested in using Bonnie Blue for clicks. 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:31.800 We had no intention of platforming her, glorifying her, or 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:35.400 soft pedaling what she does. We also had not seen 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:41.920 her sit for an interview that was not sensationalist, attack 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:47.240 dog bullying, or cheering her on. We thought that there 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:53.120 was value in a further option, a measured, critical, thoughtful 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:56.880 woman lead interview, one that did not pretend to be 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:01.680 neutral but was not performatively cruel either, an interview that 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:08.560 asked the questions we genuinely wanted answered. Does she understand 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:13.640 the implications of what she does. Does Bonnie Blue understand 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:18.720 the misogynistic language she uses about women? Does she understand 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:24.400 why women are angry? And does she care? And here 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:28.000 is what we discovered, after weeks of research, internal debate, 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:34.960 and preparation. Behind the stunts and the shock value and 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:38.760 the twenty four hour headlines, there's a marketing machine that 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:43.760 Bonnie Blue directs herself, a machine built on outrage, provocation, attention, 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:49.640 and most importantly, one that deliberately monetizes women's rage. She 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:54.680 told us plainly, she rage bates on purpose because it works. 0:04:55.280 --> 0:04:59.080 She learned quickly that women's fury travels faster than anything 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:02.320 else online, and she learned how to use it to 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:07.680 her advantage. He's not an interview designed to rehabilitate her image, 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:12.120 and it certainly is not designed to promote her. It's 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:16.680 an interview designed for one purpose only to understand what 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:21.000 Bonnie Blue is doing, why she's doing it, and what 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:24.000 it means for the rest of us to try to 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:27.640 make sense of a figure who is unsettled and enraged 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:33.680 so many women. And here's what surprised us most. Bonnie 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:36.839 had no intention of hiding it. She told us upfront. 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:41.560 She said, I rage bait on purpose, and that sentence 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.360 changed the entire way we approached this interview. It may 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:49.120 change the way you hear it too. This is no Filter, 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:54.240 it really is. I'm Kate Langbrook and this is Bonnie Blue. 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:55.880 Bonnie Blue. 0:05:56.320 --> 0:06:03.120 Hi, I'm Kate, Kate Langbrook. Welcome to No Filter. 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:05.560 I'm excited for this one. I'm looking forward to her. 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:09.760 Well why are you because you know that I don't 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:10.120 know how. 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:10.479 Much you know. 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.000 I know you know a lot about Australia, and I 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:16.400 know you've lived here and you've made quite a splash here. 0:06:17.280 --> 0:06:20.360 But you know, Mum and MEA is the platform that 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:23.200 prides itself on making the world a bit of place 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:26.320 for women and girls, and you approached us to talk 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:26.920 to us. 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.560 Why did you want to talk to us? 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:33.960 I think it's just highlighting that what I'm actually doing 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:37.520 is not damaging for women, and this is something I 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.000 choose to do as someone who's independent. 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:43.000 I enjoy this. And everyone has different interest. 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:46.480 Different hobbies, and they enjoy and yes, these rage b Yes, 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.960 there's a lot of things I see for headlines, but 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.520 behind it is also just a girl who enjoys it 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:55.640 and has done nothing ever to give someone a bad 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:57.880 interaction with me. I only ever work with those I 0:06:57.880 --> 0:06:59.599 consent in and want to interact with me. 0:06:59.960 --> 0:07:02.880 When you say it and what you do for people 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:04.400 who don't know what you do? 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:07.200 How do you describe that? 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:12.240 So I am a adult content creator that makes content 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:15.280 with strangers, so that is anyone that wants to get involved. 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.080 And I also make content with badly legals, which is 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:22.000 what causes I guess a massive opro so as anyone 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.760 above the age of eighteen that would like to have 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:28.160 sex with me on camera, and I then post the videos. 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:33.480 You know you're we talked about the barely legal thing. 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:38.880 You seem to be quite fixated on it. 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:41.440 Yeah. 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:46.760 Is it an esthetic preference or a personal preference? 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.000 Or is it a business strategy? 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:50.120 Business? 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.200 Because if I was to date, I would not be 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:55.440 searching an eight for an eighteen year old for me. 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:57.080 I've always said of was to date, it'd probably be 0:07:57.120 --> 0:08:01.480 somebody older. So yes, it's business. But this is somewhat 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:05.480 personal preference because I actually enjoy stephen people that aren't 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.920 experienced being able to then allow them to walk away 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.920 from that experience knowing what they're doing, knowing what they're 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:13.000 enjoy in the bedroom. 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.040 Why do you think you enjoy that so much? Do 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.120 you think is that a power thing? 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.600 No, but men can be terrible in the bedroom generally, 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:27.040 you could, no matter what age they are. Sometimes they 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.200 believe what they see, you know, on porn horb or 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:33.640 whatever platform, that they can just perform that, and they 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.080 don't seem to realize it's quite fake, it's quite edited. 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:38.759 It's not focused on pleasure a lot of the time 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.040 when you see videos, and that's where they're learning from. 0:08:41.439 --> 0:08:43.840 They're not learning You might have learned about sex education 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:46.720 at school, but it's more about STDs as opposed to 0:08:46.959 --> 0:08:48.159 sex and what's pleasurable. 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:50.359 So there wasn't really ever. 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:55.160 Videos online which was focused on pleasure and people nervous 0:08:55.199 --> 0:08:57.719 and actually not knowing what to do or sometimes if 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:01.079 you don't get hard, that's okay, And it's not because 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:04.319 you don't find the woman attractive. It's you might be 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:06.600 or you're under pressure, or it might be too hot 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:08.679 in the room, or it might be enjoy. 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:12.119 A thousand other mean these a thousand other means standing 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:12.679 around you. 0:09:13.439 --> 0:09:16.519 Yeah, but with the badly ego, it's you know, Yes, 0:09:16.599 --> 0:09:18.159 there has been some gang bangs, but a lot of 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.679 the time it's one to one or much smaller groups, 0:09:21.239 --> 0:09:23.599 and quite quickly, when I started doing this content three 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.760 years ago, I realized how nervous he was, and how 0:09:26.839 --> 0:09:29.359 much they thought they had to perform, and how society 0:09:29.439 --> 0:09:32.240 made them feel like if you didn't get hard, there's 0:09:32.239 --> 0:09:35.599 something wrong with you. If you didn't last long, that's embarrassing. 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:39.160 And I enjoyed being able to reassure them that sex 0:09:39.319 --> 0:09:43.160 isn't perfect. Sometimes it will hurt, sometimes you won't know 0:09:43.199 --> 0:09:45.520 what you're doing and actually just communicating with for the 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.400 girl that is much sexier than you know. 0:09:48.599 --> 0:09:53.479 But you know, what's interesting is that most people navigate 0:09:53.839 --> 0:09:57.879 these conversations within the context of a sexual relationship. 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:59.559 That they're having one on one with someone. 0:10:00.479 --> 0:10:04.199 Whereas you're quite evangelical about it, like is it your 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:08.759 miss to be teaching young men how to have six? 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.999 I think more definitely should be shown that a lot 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.640 of porn is fake, you know, whether it's slapping or 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:19.759 hair pulling. They've discussed that off camera, about consent, their limits, 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:23.519 their boundaries. Definitely more should be I'm not saying I 0:10:23.599 --> 0:10:26.720 might be the wrong person to discuss it, but definitely 0:10:26.719 --> 0:10:31.160 more should be spoken about, you know, consent. How when 0:10:31.199 --> 0:10:34.800 you watch these videos online, the consents happened off camera, right, 0:10:35.119 --> 0:10:39.040 And I think more young people can definitely be pressured 0:10:39.079 --> 0:10:43.679 to maybe hair pool slap choke, not ers realizing you 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:45.600 actually need to be discussing that with the girl before 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:47.040 understand her boundaries. 0:10:47.239 --> 0:10:51.280 What I find interesting is that you're saying a lot 0:10:51.319 --> 0:10:55.800 of a lot of young men have got misconceptions about 0:10:55.839 --> 0:10:59.480 six because of porn, and how you're going to correct 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:00.880 them is through porn. 0:11:01.719 --> 0:11:02.239 Yeah. 0:11:02.439 --> 0:11:04.719 I mean, I say on every podcast, every inn to 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:09.840 view the sex I have join on is fake. We 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:14.480 have discussed content beforehand. The hair pulling often is done 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.439 to look, you know, like it was more extreme on 0:11:16.439 --> 0:11:19.520 camera than what it actually was. I speak about how 0:11:20.199 --> 0:11:23.159 it's not as you know, perhaps rough is what it 0:11:23.199 --> 0:11:26.559 looks on camera. So I'm breaking down the stigma of yes, 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:28.920 just go and get absolutely railed, Yes, get your hair pured. 0:11:28.959 --> 0:11:31.679 And I speak about every woman wants different things. Everyone 0:11:31.719 --> 0:11:35.000 has different requirements and different pleasures. But every way, everyone 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.480 also likes to blame me for the fact I like 0:11:37.599 --> 0:11:40.319 rough sex. I don't shame someone for an arch in 0:11:40.359 --> 0:11:42.880 the back and only want and it's soft, So don't 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.880 shame me for wanting it rough. Everyone has different different 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:50.000 things they enjoy and as long as that's being spoken about, 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:54.079 there's no problem doing a rough sex scene, but just 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:59.280 being vocal about it that that isn't how all sex happens. 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:03.120 What would you say is your moral compass? Like what 0:12:03.239 --> 0:12:05.320 are you laid by? 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:08.439 I don't really think there's anything. I sort of wake 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.640 up and think this is what I'm going by. But 0:12:12.319 --> 0:12:15.920 to me, I can always sleep well at night if 0:12:15.959 --> 0:12:18.559 I know the people I've interacted with has had a 0:12:18.599 --> 0:12:21.920 good experience. There was consenting, they've enjoyed it, They've walked 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:24.880 away with smile on their face, And was I happy? 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:26.760 Did I enjoy it? Did I get pleasure from it? 0:12:27.439 --> 0:12:30.800 And I don't overcomplicate it is as long as it's 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:33.960 legan above board and I'm enjoying it, then I'm good 0:12:33.959 --> 0:12:34.160 to go. 0:12:34.599 --> 0:12:40.359 So reports would suggest that you have deliberately sought out 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:45.400 environments where very young boys are pre present. Yeah, some 0:12:45.719 --> 0:12:50.599 not yet eighteen on schoolies. Some are fresh out of 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:54.199 school uniforms or they're sitting exams, or their frontal lobes 0:12:54.239 --> 0:12:55.399 are still developing. 0:12:56.359 --> 0:12:57.439 Yeah, how do. 0:12:57.439 --> 0:13:02.760 You justify targeting that audience and having an influence over 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:07.520 that audience, knowing that there's an inherent power in balance, 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:12.400 and because you are who you are, that it almost 0:13:12.439 --> 0:13:14.639 has predatory implications. 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:16.319 Yeah, I really disagree. 0:13:16.479 --> 0:13:19.000 The people I interact with have to be over the 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:22.479 age of eighteen, But eighteen is also not that young. 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.239 Like, yes, I would never film. 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.959 Content with anyone any younger than eighteen, But at eighteen, 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:31.280 they're driving around, you can go to the army. There's 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.839 much worse things. Not that I think having sex with 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.279 me is bad, but you could be going and get 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.120 yourself shot. You could be putting yourself in a very 0:13:38.199 --> 0:13:43.960 dangerous situation. Having sex with me doesn't even compare to that. 0:13:44.079 --> 0:13:46.319 So we like to pretend an eighteen year old is 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:48.640 very naive. They don't know what they're doing. They're not 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.760 in a position to make that decision. Okay, so why 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:53.960 are they able to vote? Why are they able to 0:13:54.079 --> 0:13:56.280 have a gun in their hands and drive which could 0:13:56.319 --> 0:14:00.040 injure and kill multiple people. Shooting a load up me 0:14:00.359 --> 0:14:02.599 is not going to do any damage, and they're choosing 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:06.880 to do that. So we like to really pick when 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:09.840 we want to downtalk eighteen year olds, And to me, 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:10.719 I don't. 0:14:11.119 --> 0:14:12.119 Once again, I think it. 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:16.439 It comes back to a differing view of sex, do 0:14:16.439 --> 0:14:19.040 you know what I mean? So you say shooting a 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:21.920 load up you doesn't do any damage, but there are 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:27.840 people who believe that, and I guess this is probably 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.359 not the case in the world as it is, but 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:35.600 that sex can have some more a less base component 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:38.720 to it, that it can vibrate at a higher frequency, 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:43.120 and it can elevate a human rather than just being 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:47.560 used as an expression of pure lust. 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:49.200 For sure. 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:51.280 Well they can go and cry to the crystals and 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.560 tell them because for the eighteen. 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:57.000 Year old me, they're enjoying it. I'm enjoying it, and 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.640 it's I'm not asking them to get involved. 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:01.680 And if you know, an eighteen year old came to 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:03.320 me and they're really religious and they don't want to 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.280 have sex have to. Like, everyone's got their own beliefs 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:08.680 and things they want to do. No one has ever 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:10.680 been enforced. And like you said, because I've got a 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:15.680 big name for myself, there's never a misunderstanding. Because I've 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:18.360 seen a lot of videos say oh, they don't know 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.279 what they're doing or they're not aware this video is 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.720 going to get posted, And that couldn't be further from 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:25.680 the truth. The whole brand I've built is come have 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:27.880 sex with me, and I'm going to film it. So 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:31.239 to me, I mean, I meet a lot of eighteen 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:34.040 year olds and I speak with a lot of them. Yeah, 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:37.440 they might be nervous, but they're not as young and 0:15:37.479 --> 0:15:40.480 stupid as what you think. Yes, they've only just you know, 0:15:40.479 --> 0:15:43.479 they've just graduated from school. But like I said, they 0:15:43.479 --> 0:15:45.840 can go to the army, the driving cars, and they 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:49.440 are intelligent. You can be stupid at any age, to 0:15:49.479 --> 0:15:51.600 be honest. There's a lot of people I've met in 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:55.760 my life and they yet to grow up. So an 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.720 eighteen year old can be immature, but they can also 0:15:58.800 --> 0:15:59.520 be very mature. 0:16:00.239 --> 0:16:05.560 I'm always struck by when in interview situations you're very 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:10.440 mildly spoken, aside from when you're saying stuff like rearrange 0:16:10.479 --> 0:16:13.360 my insights and stuff like that, but you actually you're 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:18.800 actually a very quietly spoken person who comports yourself. 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.359 Even like the way you dress is. 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:24.600 I mean, you're not a modesty dresser, but you're certainly 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:26.120 not an immodesty dresser. 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:28.000 If you want to use that language. 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.400 I was gonna say, I don't like it when you know, 0:16:30.479 --> 0:16:33.560 the short skirts and the tiny crop tops and the 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.000 boobs hanging well, I don't know big boobs anyway, so 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:37.240 even if it wanted to, they wouldn't. 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:41.440 But I don't like the. 0:16:40.239 --> 0:16:44.720 Typical I guess I get sex worker image you would imagine. 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:48.080 And so I think, especially when I first started doing 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.359 podcasts and interviews, when people didn't know what I was doing, 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.000 it was so shocking to people because it's like, she 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:55.440 looks like she could be a school teacher, or she 0:16:55.479 --> 0:16:58.960 looks like, you know, someone you'd passed in the street 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.120 and wouldn't think anything of. And actually she's doing all 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:04.080 this shocking disgust and behavior behind the scenes. 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:11.000 But and yet because of what you do, it's so confrontational, 0:17:11.879 --> 0:17:14.800 and it's so outside of societal norms. 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:17.080 You elicit. 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:23.000 Some of the most horrendous things that I can imagine 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:28.199 someone being told about themselves. And it doesn't seem to 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:30.519 affect you. 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.479 No, you can only be affected if you let it 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:37.359 affect you, like you give people power in the words 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:40.040 they say to you, if you're allowing it to hurt you. 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:43.200 So if you was to call me a slot, it's 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:47.040 something actually I you know, when I was younger, you know, 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:49.679 being called a slot was definitely an insult. I also 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:52.120 allowed it to be an insult, whereas now if you're 0:17:52.159 --> 0:17:54.600 to call me a slot, yeah, I am someone who 0:17:54.639 --> 0:17:57.600 sleeps with a lot of people, so technically I am 0:17:57.879 --> 0:18:00.560 and I'm not insulted by it. I'm a sex worker. 0:18:00.639 --> 0:18:02.520 I choose to sleep around with a lot of people, 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:06.760 so when people like to try and slushing me, it's 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:09.520 not actually an insult. I've worked hard to build a 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.999 high body count, so it's the complete opposite for me. 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.520 If you was to say, actually, I don't think you're 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:17.959 a slot, I don't think you sleep with people, is 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:20.960 more insultive than you're actually calling me a slot. 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:22.720 So if we go back to. 0:18:24.639 --> 0:18:28.119 In the days when those words would hurt you, when 0:18:28.159 --> 0:18:31.800 you were Tia Tia billing ja, tell me about that 0:18:31.919 --> 0:18:40.040 girl and where the hot points happened that you transitioned 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:44.520 into Bonnie Blue. You grew up with your family, your 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:46.320 mum and dad and your sister summer. 0:18:46.919 --> 0:18:50.840 Yeah, yeah, so very normal. Not bring in no trauma. 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.520 As much as people like to dig into my background 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:56.320 and pretend I must have come from a damaged background, 0:18:56.399 --> 0:19:00.760 I've come from a very beautiful, happy family, and yeah, 0:19:00.879 --> 0:19:03.639 I throughout at school, and I did lose my virginity young, 0:19:03.679 --> 0:19:06.399 but it wasn't I wasn't frushed into it. I just 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:07.960 chose to lose my forginity young. 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:08.560 How old? 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.840 How old he was? Young? Do you think I was thirteen? 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:13.199 Right? Yeah? 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:15.840 I felt very grown up for my age, and I 0:19:15.879 --> 0:19:17.560 was I don't look back. I know you look at 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:19.520 you'd look at maybe some thirteen year olds and they 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:23.719 look so young, and they're sort of completely oblivious, you know, 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:27.280 by the world, Whereas I always had much older friends. 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:30.600 So for me, thirteen wasn't too young, and I was 0:19:30.639 --> 0:19:33.759 okay with that. Yeah, you never would want to be 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:36.720 called a slot, you know, if you was new boyfriends 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.879 or you're some different people like you just wouldn't want 0:19:39.879 --> 0:19:42.040 to be you know, a slot will be called that. 0:19:43.399 --> 0:19:46.520 The transition, I guess, didn't really start until twenty twenty three, 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:49.120 and it happened quite quickly. 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:52.080 In May, I settle. 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:56.240 A caming account and I started camming, and I did 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:58.719 that for a couple of months. In the background, I 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:00.480 was like, Okay, I'm actually going to start making sex 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:03.400 tapes and selling it because it was something that will 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:05.680 help my income. It means I can be earning money 0:20:05.679 --> 0:20:08.640 whilst I'm sleeping, because if you're coming, I can only 0:20:08.639 --> 0:20:11.480 physically be earning money whilst we're on a call. Right 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:14.759 when I started making sex tape to start with, I 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:18.119 didn't really enjoy it. I didn't know what I was doing. 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:21.239 I felt a bit pressured by the cameras. I was 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:23.840 more focused on, you know, does my moom look good 0:20:23.879 --> 0:20:26.400 in this? And I do I look good from this angle, 0:20:27.159 --> 0:20:30.199 as opposed to enjoying what it was, which was sex. 0:20:31.639 --> 0:20:36.560 So in between sort of May and November, I started 0:20:36.639 --> 0:20:39.080 learning a lot about what I enjoyed the bedroom, how 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.119 I actually enjoy sex, because prior to that it was 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:46.719 just me and a partner having sex Ray Vanilla, if anything, 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:51.600 quite boring, and I hadn't tried different things or definitely 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:54.200 hadn't start with different people. So I had a lot 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:58.280 to learn, and it was actually quite a nice experience 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:00.640 once I realized I don't need to know it all. 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:03.080 I don't need to know every sex position in the book, 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:05.760 and I don't need to finishish really quickly or even 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:08.479 finish every time like it's you know, normal. If you 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:11.119 can't or if you need to switch up or tell 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:15.679 the guy, can you do it? Differently and towards especially 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:18.799 close to November, I really began to learn a lot 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:22.120 about me and what I enjoyed and then obviously join November. 0:21:22.159 --> 0:21:25.639 In Australia, there's a thing called schoolies, right, which is 0:21:25.679 --> 0:21:29.520 when I started offering my services to anyone that was 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:34.480 barely legal, new to sex, or a virgin. It was yes, 0:21:34.679 --> 0:21:38.280 to massively benefit for them, but also myself, like I 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:40.800 was still learning so much and I realized if that 0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:43.759 I'm learning as someone that was twenty four at the time, 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:47.440 these eighteen year olds they don't know much about the bedroom. 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:48.879 So yes, it was part of it. 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:52.240 I can watch me seat with barely legals. Another part 0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:54.359 of it was education and for them to learn about 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:57.359 their bodies as opposed to feel and peer pressures. To 0:21:57.399 --> 0:21:59.080 be able to give this girl the best performance of 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:01.999 a life and realistically most men don't do that, but 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:04.400 they think they're they think they're u porn stuff before 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:05.199 and got started. 0:22:05.240 --> 0:22:09.959 But you've compressed a massive trajectory in your life into 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:16.200