Speaker 1: You're listening too a Molnar podcast. It's Free player.
Speaker 2: Executive producer of No Filter. Here just a note before
Speaker 2: we begin this episode. This conversation with Bonnie Blue was
Speaker 2: recorded while she was in Bali before she was detained
Speaker 2: by Indonesian authorities. In the days after our recording, Bonnie
Speaker 2: was arrested during an investigation into alleged breaches of Indonesia's
Speaker 2: strict anti pornography.
Speaker 3: And morality laws.
Speaker 2: Police later confirmed they had not found any pornographic activities
Speaker 2: or materials and that no criminal pornography charges would be brought.
Speaker 2: Bonnie was then transferred to the care of Indonesia's Immigration office,
Speaker 2: who determined she had breached the conditions of her tourist
Speaker 2: visa by creating commercial content while in the country.
Speaker 1: She was ordered to be.
Speaker 2: Deported and blacklisted from returning to Indonesia for at least
Speaker 2: ten years, with officials indicating that the band may be extended.
Speaker 2: As of publication, Bonnie has now been deported from Bali
Speaker 2: and has returned to the United Kingdom. What you are
Speaker 2: about to hear is the original interview we recorded with Bonnie.
Speaker 2: Prior to these events.
Speaker 4: I would never have been able to achieve sleeping with
Speaker 4: a thousand people if it wasn't for the women. The
Speaker 4: women are not my target audience, but they are the
Speaker 4: ones that will reshare my TikTok so, the ones that
Speaker 4: will build the comment sections, the ones that show how
Speaker 4: for straighted they are, which escalates the press, and within
Speaker 4: that it's been able to allow me to build a
Speaker 4: bigger name for myself.
Speaker 5: Hello friends, I'm kateline Brook and you are about to
Speaker 5: hear a conversation with Bonnie Blue. Or perhaps you're not
Speaker 5: going to hear the conversation with Bonnie Blue. And that's fine,
Speaker 5: we understand because inside Mama Mia, we spent a long
Speaker 5: time discussing whether this interview should even happen. Weeks of conversations,
Speaker 5: long meetings, phone calls.
Speaker 3: After hours.
Speaker 5: Every woman on the team had strong feelings, some negative,
Speaker 5: some for it, some very complex.
Speaker 3: Before we begin, we want to acknowledge something.
Speaker 5: You might be angry that we're speaking to Bonnie Blue,
Speaker 5: and so were we. So the questions we kept returning
Speaker 5: to were these, why would we do this, why give
Speaker 5: her any space at all? And importantly, what did she
Speaker 5: want from us? Because here is something you may not know.
Speaker 5: Bonnie Blue's team reached out to us, and that baffled us.
Speaker 5: She specifically asked to come on no filter. She wanted
Speaker 5: this conversation, and.
Speaker 3: She wanted it with us.
Speaker 5: What did she think Mamma Maya could do for her?
Speaker 5: What did she believe she had to say to our audience?
Speaker 5: Why approach a platform whose entire mission is making the
Speaker 5: world better for women and girls, something we unanimously agreed
Speaker 5: is not something Bonnie Blue contributes to. Ultimately, we agreed
Speaker 5: to do it because we needed to understand two things,
Speaker 5: what if anything, could be gained from having this conversation,
Speaker 5: and why she was so determined to have it with us.
Speaker 5: We were not interested in using Bonnie Blue for clicks.
Speaker 5: We had no intention of platforming her, glorifying her, or
Speaker 5: soft pedaling what she does. We also had not seen
Speaker 5: her sit for an interview that was not sensationalist, attack
Speaker 5: dog bullying, or cheering her on. We thought that there
Speaker 5: was value in a further option, a measured, critical, thoughtful
Speaker 5: woman lead interview, one that did not pretend to be
Speaker 5: neutral but was not performatively cruel either, an interview that
Speaker 5: asked the questions we genuinely wanted answered. Does she understand
Speaker 5: the implications of what she does. Does Bonnie Blue understand
Speaker 5: the misogynistic language she uses about women? Does she understand
Speaker 5: why women are angry? And does she care? And here
Speaker 5: is what we discovered, after weeks of research, internal debate,
Speaker 5: and preparation. Behind the stunts and the shock value and
Speaker 5: the twenty four hour headlines, there's a marketing machine that
Speaker 5: Bonnie Blue directs herself, a machine built on outrage, provocation, attention,
Speaker 5: and most importantly, one that deliberately monetizes women's rage. She
Speaker 5: told us plainly, she rage bates on purpose because it works.
Speaker 5: She learned quickly that women's fury travels faster than anything
Speaker 5: else online, and she learned how to use it to
Speaker 5: her advantage. He's not an interview designed to rehabilitate her image,
Speaker 5: and it certainly is not designed to promote her. It's
Speaker 5: an interview designed for one purpose only to understand what
Speaker 5: Bonnie Blue is doing, why she's doing it, and what
Speaker 5: it means for the rest of us to try to
Speaker 5: make sense of a figure who is unsettled and enraged
Speaker 5: so many women. And here's what surprised us most. Bonnie
Speaker 5: had no intention of hiding it. She told us upfront.
Speaker 5: She said, I rage bait on purpose, and that sentence
Speaker 5: changed the entire way we approached this interview. It may
Speaker 5: change the way you hear it too. This is no Filter,
Speaker 5: it really is. I'm Kate Langbrook and this is Bonnie Blue.
Speaker 3: Bonnie Blue.
Speaker 5: Hi, I'm Kate, Kate Langbrook. Welcome to No Filter.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for this one. I'm looking forward to her.
Speaker 5: Well why are you because you know that I don't
Speaker 5: know how.
Speaker 3: Much you know.
Speaker 5: I know you know a lot about Australia, and I
Speaker 5: know you've lived here and you've made quite a splash here.
Speaker 5: But you know, Mum and MEA is the platform that
Speaker 5: prides itself on making the world a bit of place
Speaker 5: for women and girls, and you approached us to talk
Speaker 5: to us.
Speaker 3: Why did you want to talk to us?
Speaker 4: I think it's just highlighting that what I'm actually doing
Speaker 4: is not damaging for women, and this is something I
Speaker 4: choose to do as someone who's independent.
Speaker 1: I enjoy this. And everyone has different interest.
Speaker 4: Different hobbies, and they enjoy and yes, these rage b Yes,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of things I see for headlines, but
Speaker 4: behind it is also just a girl who enjoys it
Speaker 4: and has done nothing ever to give someone a bad
Speaker 4: interaction with me. I only ever work with those I
Speaker 4: consent in and want to interact with me.
Speaker 5: When you say it and what you do for people
Speaker 5: who don't know what you do?
Speaker 3: How do you describe that?
Speaker 4: So I am a adult content creator that makes content
Speaker 4: with strangers, so that is anyone that wants to get involved.
Speaker 4: And I also make content with badly legals, which is
Speaker 4: what causes I guess a massive opro so as anyone
Speaker 4: above the age of eighteen that would like to have
Speaker 4: sex with me on camera, and I then post the videos.
Speaker 5: You know you're we talked about the barely legal thing.
Speaker 5: You seem to be quite fixated on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Is it an esthetic preference or a personal preference?
Speaker 3: Or is it a business strategy?
Speaker 1: Business?
Speaker 4: Because if I was to date, I would not be
Speaker 4: searching an eight for an eighteen year old for me.
Speaker 4: I've always said of was to date, it'd probably be
Speaker 4: somebody older. So yes, it's business. But this is somewhat
Speaker 4: personal preference because I actually enjoy stephen people that aren't
Speaker 4: experienced being able to then allow them to walk away
Speaker 4: from that experience knowing what they're doing, knowing what they're
Speaker 4: enjoy in the bedroom.
Speaker 5: Why do you think you enjoy that so much? Do
Speaker 5: you think is that a power thing?
Speaker 4: No, but men can be terrible in the bedroom generally,
Speaker 4: you could, no matter what age they are. Sometimes they
Speaker 4: believe what they see, you know, on porn horb or
Speaker 4: whatever platform, that they can just perform that, and they
Speaker 4: don't seem to realize it's quite fake, it's quite edited.
Speaker 4: It's not focused on pleasure a lot of the time
Speaker 4: when you see videos, and that's where they're learning from.
Speaker 4: They're not learning You might have learned about sex education
Speaker 4: at school, but it's more about STDs as opposed to
Speaker 4: sex and what's pleasurable.
Speaker 1: So there wasn't really ever.
Speaker 4: Videos online which was focused on pleasure and people nervous
Speaker 4: and actually not knowing what to do or sometimes if
Speaker 4: you don't get hard, that's okay, And it's not because
Speaker 4: you don't find the woman attractive. It's you might be
Speaker 4: or you're under pressure, or it might be too hot
Speaker 4: in the room, or it might be enjoy.
Speaker 5: A thousand other mean these a thousand other means standing
Speaker 5: around you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but with the badly ego, it's you know, Yes,
Speaker 4: there has been some gang bangs, but a lot of
Speaker 4: the time it's one to one or much smaller groups,
Speaker 4: and quite quickly, when I started doing this content three
Speaker 4: years ago, I realized how nervous he was, and how
Speaker 4: much they thought they had to perform, and how society
Speaker 4: made them feel like if you didn't get hard, there's
Speaker 4: something wrong with you. If you didn't last long, that's embarrassing.
Speaker 4: And I enjoyed being able to reassure them that sex
Speaker 4: isn't perfect. Sometimes it will hurt, sometimes you won't know
Speaker 4: what you're doing and actually just communicating with for the
Speaker 4: girl that is much sexier than you know.
Speaker 5: But you know, what's interesting is that most people navigate
Speaker 5: these conversations within the context of a sexual relationship.
Speaker 3: That they're having one on one with someone.
Speaker 5: Whereas you're quite evangelical about it, like is it your
Speaker 5: miss to be teaching young men how to have six?
Speaker 4: I think more definitely should be shown that a lot
Speaker 4: of porn is fake, you know, whether it's slapping or
Speaker 4: hair pulling. They've discussed that off camera, about consent, their limits,
Speaker 4: their boundaries. Definitely more should be I'm not saying I
Speaker 4: might be the wrong person to discuss it, but definitely
Speaker 4: more should be spoken about, you know, consent. How when
Speaker 4: you watch these videos online, the consents happened off camera, right,
Speaker 4: And I think more young people can definitely be pressured
Speaker 4: to maybe hair pool slap choke, not ers realizing you
Speaker 4: actually need to be discussing that with the girl before
Speaker 4: understand her boundaries.
Speaker 5: What I find interesting is that you're saying a lot
Speaker 5: of a lot of young men have got misconceptions about
Speaker 5: six because of porn, and how you're going to correct
Speaker 5: them is through porn.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, I say on every podcast, every inn to
Speaker 4: view the sex I have join on is fake. We
Speaker 4: have discussed content beforehand. The hair pulling often is done
Speaker 4: to look, you know, like it was more extreme on
Speaker 4: camera than what it actually was. I speak about how
Speaker 4: it's not as you know, perhaps rough is what it
Speaker 4: looks on camera. So I'm breaking down the stigma of yes,
Speaker 4: just go and get absolutely railed, Yes, get your hair pured.
Speaker 4: And I speak about every woman wants different things. Everyone
Speaker 4: has different requirements and different pleasures. But every way, everyone
Speaker 4: also likes to blame me for the fact I like
Speaker 4: rough sex. I don't shame someone for an arch in
Speaker 4: the back and only want and it's soft, So don't
Speaker 4: shame me for wanting it rough. Everyone has different different
Speaker 4: things they enjoy and as long as that's being spoken about,
Speaker 4: there's no problem doing a rough sex scene, but just
Speaker 4: being vocal about it that that isn't how all sex happens.
Speaker 5: What would you say is your moral compass? Like what
Speaker 5: are you laid by?
Speaker 4: I don't really think there's anything. I sort of wake
Speaker 4: up and think this is what I'm going by. But
Speaker 4: to me, I can always sleep well at night if
Speaker 4: I know the people I've interacted with has had a
Speaker 4: good experience. There was consenting, they've enjoyed it, They've walked
Speaker 4: away with smile on their face, And was I happy?
Speaker 1: Did I enjoy it? Did I get pleasure from it?
Speaker 4: And I don't overcomplicate it is as long as it's
Speaker 4: legan above board and I'm enjoying it, then I'm good
Speaker 4: to go.
Speaker 5: So reports would suggest that you have deliberately sought out
Speaker 5: environments where very young boys are pre present. Yeah, some
Speaker 5: not yet eighteen on schoolies. Some are fresh out of
Speaker 5: school uniforms or they're sitting exams, or their frontal lobes
Speaker 5: are still developing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how do.
Speaker 5: You justify targeting that audience and having an influence over
Speaker 5: that audience, knowing that there's an inherent power in balance,
Speaker 5: and because you are who you are, that it almost
Speaker 5: has predatory implications.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really disagree.
Speaker 4: The people I interact with have to be over the
Speaker 4: age of eighteen, But eighteen is also not that young.
Speaker 1: Like, yes, I would never film.
Speaker 4: Content with anyone any younger than eighteen, But at eighteen,
Speaker 4: they're driving around, you can go to the army. There's
Speaker 4: much worse things. Not that I think having sex with
Speaker 4: me is bad, but you could be going and get
Speaker 4: yourself shot. You could be putting yourself in a very
Speaker 4: dangerous situation. Having sex with me doesn't even compare to that.
Speaker 4: So we like to pretend an eighteen year old is
Speaker 4: very naive. They don't know what they're doing. They're not
Speaker 4: in a position to make that decision. Okay, so why
Speaker 4: are they able to vote? Why are they able to
Speaker 4: have a gun in their hands and drive which could
Speaker 4: injure and kill multiple people. Shooting a load up me
Speaker 4: is not going to do any damage, and they're choosing
Speaker 4: to do that. So we like to really pick when
Speaker 4: we want to downtalk eighteen year olds, And to me,
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: Once again, I think it.
Speaker 5: It comes back to a differing view of sex, do
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? So you say shooting a
Speaker 5: load up you doesn't do any damage, but there are
Speaker 5: people who believe that, and I guess this is probably
Speaker 5: not the case in the world as it is, but
Speaker 5: that sex can have some more a less base component
Speaker 5: to it, that it can vibrate at a higher frequency,
Speaker 5: and it can elevate a human rather than just being
Speaker 5: used as an expression of pure lust.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 4: Well they can go and cry to the crystals and
Speaker 4: tell them because for the eighteen.
Speaker 1: Year old me, they're enjoying it. I'm enjoying it, and
Speaker 1: it's I'm not asking them to get involved.
Speaker 4: And if you know, an eighteen year old came to
Speaker 4: me and they're really religious and they don't want to
Speaker 4: have sex have to. Like, everyone's got their own beliefs
Speaker 4: and things they want to do. No one has ever
Speaker 4: been enforced. And like you said, because I've got a
Speaker 4: big name for myself, there's never a misunderstanding. Because I've
Speaker 4: seen a lot of videos say oh, they don't know
Speaker 4: what they're doing or they're not aware this video is
Speaker 4: going to get posted, And that couldn't be further from
Speaker 4: the truth. The whole brand I've built is come have
Speaker 4: sex with me, and I'm going to film it. So
Speaker 4: to me, I mean, I meet a lot of eighteen
Speaker 4: year olds and I speak with a lot of them. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they might be nervous, but they're not as young and
Speaker 4: stupid as what you think. Yes, they've only just you know,
Speaker 4: they've just graduated from school. But like I said, they
Speaker 4: can go to the army, the driving cars, and they
Speaker 4: are intelligent. You can be stupid at any age, to
Speaker 4: be honest. There's a lot of people I've met in
Speaker 4: my life and they yet to grow up. So an
Speaker 4: eighteen year old can be immature, but they can also
Speaker 4: be very mature.
Speaker 5: I'm always struck by when in interview situations you're very
Speaker 5: mildly spoken, aside from when you're saying stuff like rearrange
Speaker 5: my insights and stuff like that, but you actually you're
Speaker 5: actually a very quietly spoken person who comports yourself.
Speaker 3: Even like the way you dress is.
Speaker 5: I mean, you're not a modesty dresser, but you're certainly
Speaker 5: not an immodesty dresser.
Speaker 3: If you want to use that language.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I don't like it when you know,
Speaker 4: the short skirts and the tiny crop tops and the
Speaker 4: boobs hanging well, I don't know big boobs anyway, so
Speaker 4: even if it wanted to, they wouldn't.
Speaker 1: But I don't like the.
Speaker 4: Typical I guess I get sex worker image you would imagine.
Speaker 4: And so I think, especially when I first started doing
Speaker 4: podcasts and interviews, when people didn't know what I was doing,
Speaker 4: it was so shocking to people because it's like, she
Speaker 4: looks like she could be a school teacher, or she
Speaker 4: looks like, you know, someone you'd passed in the street
Speaker 4: and wouldn't think anything of. And actually she's doing all
Speaker 4: this shocking disgust and behavior behind the scenes.
Speaker 5: But and yet because of what you do, it's so confrontational,
Speaker 5: and it's so outside of societal norms.
Speaker 3: You elicit.
Speaker 5: Some of the most horrendous things that I can imagine
Speaker 5: someone being told about themselves. And it doesn't seem to
Speaker 5: affect you.
Speaker 4: No, you can only be affected if you let it
Speaker 4: affect you, like you give people power in the words
Speaker 4: they say to you, if you're allowing it to hurt you.
Speaker 4: So if you was to call me a slot, it's
Speaker 4: something actually I you know, when I was younger, you know,
Speaker 4: being called a slot was definitely an insult. I also
Speaker 4: allowed it to be an insult, whereas now if you're
Speaker 4: to call me a slot, yeah, I am someone who
Speaker 4: sleeps with a lot of people, so technically I am
Speaker 4: and I'm not insulted by it. I'm a sex worker.
Speaker 4: I choose to sleep around with a lot of people,
Speaker 4: so when people like to try and slushing me, it's
Speaker 4: not actually an insult. I've worked hard to build a
Speaker 4: high body count, so it's the complete opposite for me.
Speaker 4: If you was to say, actually, I don't think you're
Speaker 4: a slot, I don't think you sleep with people, is
Speaker 4: more insultive than you're actually calling me a slot.
Speaker 3: So if we go back to.
Speaker 5: In the days when those words would hurt you, when
Speaker 5: you were Tia Tia billing ja, tell me about that
Speaker 5: girl and where the hot points happened that you transitioned
Speaker 5: into Bonnie Blue. You grew up with your family, your
Speaker 5: mum and dad and your sister summer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so very normal. Not bring in no trauma.
Speaker 4: As much as people like to dig into my background
Speaker 4: and pretend I must have come from a damaged background,
Speaker 4: I've come from a very beautiful, happy family, and yeah,
Speaker 4: I throughout at school, and I did lose my virginity young,
Speaker 4: but it wasn't I wasn't frushed into it. I just
Speaker 4: chose to lose my forginity young.
Speaker 3: How old?
Speaker 1: How old he was? Young? Do you think I was thirteen?
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I felt very grown up for my age, and I
Speaker 4: was I don't look back. I know you look at
Speaker 4: you'd look at maybe some thirteen year olds and they
Speaker 4: look so young, and they're sort of completely oblivious, you know,
Speaker 4: by the world, Whereas I always had much older friends.
Speaker 4: So for me, thirteen wasn't too young, and I was
Speaker 4: okay with that. Yeah, you never would want to be
Speaker 4: called a slot, you know, if you was new boyfriends
Speaker 4: or you're some different people like you just wouldn't want
Speaker 4: to be you know, a slot will be called that.
Speaker 4: The transition, I guess, didn't really start until twenty twenty three,
Speaker 4: and it happened quite quickly.
Speaker 1: In May, I settle.
Speaker 4: A caming account and I started camming, and I did
Speaker 4: that for a couple of months. In the background, I
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, I'm actually going to start making sex
Speaker 4: tapes and selling it because it was something that will
Speaker 4: help my income. It means I can be earning money
Speaker 4: whilst I'm sleeping, because if you're coming, I can only
Speaker 4: physically be earning money whilst we're on a call. Right
Speaker 4: when I started making sex tape to start with, I
Speaker 4: didn't really enjoy it. I didn't know what I was doing.
Speaker 4: I felt a bit pressured by the cameras. I was
Speaker 4: more focused on, you know, does my moom look good
Speaker 4: in this? And I do I look good from this angle,
Speaker 4: as opposed to enjoying what it was, which was sex.
Speaker 4: So in between sort of May and November, I started
Speaker 4: learning a lot about what I enjoyed the bedroom, how
Speaker 4: I actually enjoy sex, because prior to that it was
Speaker 4: just me and a partner having sex Ray Vanilla, if anything,
Speaker 4: quite boring, and I hadn't tried different things or definitely
Speaker 4: hadn't start with different people. So I had a lot
Speaker 4: to learn, and it was actually quite a nice experience
Speaker 4: once I realized I don't need to know it all.
Speaker 4: I don't need to know every sex position in the book,
Speaker 4: and I don't need to finishish really quickly or even
Speaker 4: finish every time like it's you know, normal. If you
Speaker 4: can't or if you need to switch up or tell
Speaker 4: the guy, can you do it? Differently and towards especially
Speaker 4: close to November, I really began to learn a lot
Speaker 4: about me and what I enjoyed and then obviously join November.
Speaker 4: In Australia, there's a thing called schoolies, right, which is
Speaker 4: when I started offering my services to anyone that was
Speaker 4: barely legal, new to sex, or a virgin. It was yes,
Speaker 4: to massively benefit for them, but also myself, like I
Speaker 4: was still learning so much and I realized if that
Speaker 4: I'm learning as someone that was twenty four at the time,
Speaker 4: these eighteen year olds they don't know much about the bedroom.
Speaker 1: So yes, it was part of it.
Speaker 4: I can watch me seat with barely legals. Another part
Speaker 4: of it was education and for them to learn about
Speaker 4: their bodies as opposed to feel and peer pressures. To
Speaker 4: be able to give this girl the best performance of
Speaker 4: a life and realistically most men don't do that, but
Speaker 4: they think they're they think they're u porn stuff before
Speaker 4: and got started.
Speaker 5: But you've compressed a massive trajectory in your life into
Speaker 5: like a few sentences. Yeah, so you lost your virginity
Speaker 5: when you were thirteen. I know that you were in
Speaker 5: a relationship with your former husband from when you were fourteen,
Speaker 5: so you've had a very I'm going to say traditional,
Speaker 5: that's still quite young to get with your first partner
Speaker 5: and to be with that partner for a long time.
Speaker 5: So you've had a quite traditional, conservative, almost sexual life,
Speaker 5: and then you got married, also quite young. So what
Speaker 5: I'm interested in is how does that girl, how does
Speaker 5: that girl suddenly one day ago I'm going to start
Speaker 5: being a cam girl. Is it a conversation with your partner?
Speaker 5: Is it an idea you got from someone else?
Speaker 4: So i'd always worte to mccruman. I'd done five years
Speaker 4: for Recruitman. I'm relocated to Australia for a bat lite
Speaker 4: life and to feel like I was actually living because
Speaker 4: when I was in the UK, I was going to work,
Speaker 4: coming back, you know, maybe going to the gym, having dinner,
Speaker 4: going to bed, and my life was so routines and repetitive.
Speaker 4: It all blurred into one. Like two years would go
Speaker 4: by and I think, what if I actually did this year?
Speaker 4: Like apart from I would have gone on one nice holiday,
Speaker 4: but even that didn't seem that nice because I put
Speaker 4: so much pressure on that being a good two weeks
Speaker 4: because all my money that year had gone onto this
Speaker 4: holiday all my annual leave was basically blown straight away,
Speaker 4: and I was realizing my life is actually going to
Speaker 4: remain the same if I don't change it, you know,
Speaker 4: And I think.
Speaker 1: That goes for a lot of people.
Speaker 4: You are not really happy with your life, happy to
Speaker 4: sit and complain about it, but you continue to do
Speaker 4: the same routine and don't do anything about it. So
Speaker 4: for me, I was like, okay, I'm going to relokay
Speaker 4: to Australia because it means my weekends we feel like
Speaker 4: a mini holiday.
Speaker 5: And that was with your husband at the time, and
Speaker 5: he was on board with that. And what work was
Speaker 5: he that he could also relocate.
Speaker 4: So he worked in a real estate agency as a receptionist.
Speaker 5: Right, So the pair of you come to Australia and
Speaker 5: you're in Sydney.
Speaker 3: At Gold Coast our Gold Coast Okay.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I the plan was to relocate to Australia,
Speaker 4: was still going to do recruitment, but I thought, okay,
Speaker 4: my Saturday and Sundays are going to be massively improved.
Speaker 4: I got to Australia and you know, had a year off,
Speaker 4: which was lovely, was able to you know, basically live
Speaker 4: my life.
Speaker 1: Then everyone was saying.
Speaker 4: To me like, God, you've just lived the best year
Speaker 4: of your life. You're never going to have that much
Speaker 4: time off work again, Like God, you're always going to
Speaker 4: look back on this year and wish you could do
Speaker 4: it again. And I know people were saying that's to
Speaker 4: be nice to say, you know, Wow, you've just had
Speaker 4: a year off work.
Speaker 1: You're in Australia. I found that really stressing.
Speaker 4: To be honest, because I was like, I'm only twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four. I can't have lived the best year of
Speaker 4: my life already, Like this can't be Yeah. But when
Speaker 4: I was looking at it, I was just about to
Speaker 4: go back into recruitment. You know, you only get twenty
Speaker 4: twenty five days on your leave. And I was like, yes,
Speaker 4: I've made the move to Australia, but I'm actually just
Speaker 4: going to be going back into my old life.
Speaker 1: And it didn't.
Speaker 4: Actually feel like I'd done that much to change it.
Speaker 4: So that was when I start to look at different
Speaker 4: ways I could earn money and on TikTok at the time,
Speaker 4: Camin was being promoted through various different women, like different
Speaker 4: body shapes, different backgrounds, and I thought, what if I
Speaker 4: was to give that go? So to start with it
Speaker 4: was about money, freedom and just getting control back in
Speaker 4: my life.
Speaker 3: How did you.
Speaker 5: Navigate doing that? I'm assuming you're in new bedroom. Yeah,
Speaker 5: how did you discuss that then with your husband? Because
Speaker 5: most husbands are not on board with the concept of
Speaker 5: their wife. Yeah, but suddenly becoming sick actually available at
Speaker 5: any level with a stranger.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 4: I had the conversation with him like, look, I've been
Speaker 4: seeing people on TikTok talk about camin and he was
Speaker 4: instantly supportive. And I know people take that as well,
Speaker 4: we just wanted your money or he just wanted to
Speaker 4: pimp you out and then you was going to separate.
Speaker 1: But the truth was you could to see.
Speaker 4: You know, I'd already done five years in recruitment in
Speaker 4: the UK.
Speaker 1: Didn't like it.
Speaker 4: Recruitment was, you know, not for me, and he didn't
Speaker 4: want me to be unhappy again, and he didn't want
Speaker 4: me to go back into a routine that I didn't enjoy.
Speaker 4: And I think because it was online, it was a
Speaker 4: much easier, softer way in It wasn't instantly like I
Speaker 4: want to go and sleep with Belli Legals and a
Speaker 4: thousand people. It was interactions with a stranger and in
Speaker 4: the comfort of my own home.
Speaker 5: Well, I think these things are often incremental, aren't they.
Speaker 5: I mean, where you end up at Z is not
Speaker 5: where you've started a day. So, but now I'm talking
Speaker 5: to you as a woman who has who made headlines
Speaker 5: around the world with having slipped with a thoy and
Speaker 5: fifty seven men in twelve hours. Yeah, if someone had
Speaker 5: said to you then, which was not that long ago,
Speaker 5: really now, that you would be doing that, what would
Speaker 5: your response to that have been.
Speaker 1: I probably would have laughed. I wouldn't have believed it.
Speaker 4: The confidence I had when I first started was very low.
Speaker 4: I guess I felt insecure. I wasn't confident. I Yeah,
Speaker 4: I just would have believed it. I would have thought,
Speaker 4: there's no way. I don't even enjoy sex that much.
Speaker 4: I don't have the confidence to do that, and I
Speaker 4: just wouldn't have thought it was true. So if I,
Speaker 4: if you're atomatic, kare well this is true, you are
Speaker 4: going to then go and sleep with a thousand people
Speaker 4: to make headlines world wide. Genuinely would be nothing but
Speaker 4: proud of myself. And I still am. Not only am
Speaker 4: I confident, I'm independent, I enjoy sex, but I've given
Speaker 4: myself a beautiful so I know other people would think you.
Speaker 1: Should be disgusted in yourself and you should.
Speaker 4: Be ashamed, but actually I'm really proud of the confidence
Speaker 4: I have and that the fun I have done what.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 5: More from my interview with Bonnie Blue right after this break,
Speaker 5: you are listening to no filter, which I'm sure is
Speaker 5: no surprise when you have interactions with people like I
Speaker 5: sawr the podcast that you did with Andrew Tate and
Speaker 5: another guy mate on or I.
Speaker 3: Don't know his name.
Speaker 5: The things, as I alluded earlier that has said to
Speaker 5: you are so horrendous that most people would wilt under them.
Speaker 4: When I did the matter what that guy's name is
Speaker 4: here was genuine, actually a hormorable person.
Speaker 1: He is the first person.
Speaker 4: So usually when I do a podcast run interview, they
Speaker 4: might say to me, oh, I think you're disgusted in
Speaker 4: or I think you're horrible, and I understand clickbait, I
Speaker 4: understand what makes good clips and what's going to help
Speaker 4: your podcast get fuse. Whereas that guy actually remained completely
Speaker 4: horrible to me off camera, and that is the first
Speaker 4: time that's ever happened, and I even said to him,
Speaker 4: you can start giving me respect. Your podcast will get
Speaker 4: the most amount of us. Just having me on you
Speaker 4: can give me respect. So I'm very different on and
Speaker 4: off camera. If you wanted to say to me, I
Speaker 4: actually think you're disgusted and you're very harmful for society.
Speaker 1: That's okay.
Speaker 4: Everyone can have their opinion, but I'd still expect us
Speaker 4: to be polite and nice to one another. And during
Speaker 4: that podcast, yeah, he was very much trying to get
Speaker 4: under my skin. But he was getting more angered the
Speaker 4: fact I wasn't reacting the fact every time he gave
Speaker 4: me a question and try to state a fact that
Speaker 4: I'm a disgust in horror or my family don't love me,
Speaker 4: or I'm in my ates, he was getting incredibly angry
Speaker 4: that I accept it or I was giving him a
Speaker 4: very straight answer and he wasn't able to take it well,
Speaker 4: which I think just continued to frustrate him, which then
Speaker 4: led him to be completely horrible off. Cameron actually say,
Speaker 4: if E could, he would have stown me to death.
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm curious because, like I said, most people would
Speaker 5: wilt under that kind of verbal assault. And don't get
Speaker 5: me wrong, we know, as you said yourself, that a
Speaker 5: lot of people are extremely disapproving, disappointed, whatever in your
Speaker 5: line of work. But I'm very curious about what it
Speaker 5: is in you that doesn't seem to feel the hurt
Speaker 5: in it.
Speaker 1: I think because it's the same, the same.
Speaker 4: Like I don't want to say the word ship, well
Speaker 4: so certain anyway, but you can see it's it's the same. Oh,
Speaker 4: it's the same ship over and over again. It's you're disgusting,
Speaker 4: you're a whore, your family don't love you. You look
Speaker 4: really old for your age, and it's in my head
Speaker 4: I break it down.
Speaker 1: I personally like the way I look.
Speaker 4: I don't think I look old, But if someone else
Speaker 4: wants to say I look old, that's fine. I'm not
Speaker 4: really going to argue with you. I've got better things
Speaker 4: to be doing. A slot, Yeah I am. I do
Speaker 4: sleep around family. I've got an amazing family. I'm speaking
Speaker 4: to them all the time and we make the most
Speaker 4: of my memories. So every time they're saying things which
Speaker 4: they claims the statement and is true, I know the truth,
Speaker 4: so I can't be offended by something. If it was
Speaker 4: something that was true, then yeah, probably it might become
Speaker 4: hurtful over time. But it's things that aren't true, and
Speaker 4: I know the truth, and people will always claim they
Speaker 4: know my family better than me.
Speaker 1: They've never spoken to them.
Speaker 4: Half the time, they don't even know their names, So
Speaker 4: it's like, how can I listen to you when you
Speaker 4: don't know the truth? But I do, and I think
Speaker 4: that's why I'm just it just goes over my head
Speaker 4: because people are wanting me to react. I know what
Speaker 4: I do to most people is disgusting and repulsive and
Speaker 4: they could never imagine themselves doing it.
Speaker 1: I've accepted that.
Speaker 4: I've accepted I'm different for enjoying that, and I'm always
Speaker 4: open to people as opinions. So I just don't like
Speaker 4: it when people state what they're saying as facts because
Speaker 4: I'm the one with these people when I know they're
Speaker 4: not disgusting and I know I'm not weird for enjoying
Speaker 4: my interactions with them, and it's all opinionator based. But
Speaker 4: the facts are that I'm not eighty, i do have
Speaker 4: a loving family, and I'm not traumatized. So the rest
Speaker 4: of it is just people wanting a reaction, which is
Speaker 4: something I'll never give them.
Speaker 5: Emotionally, it makes sense that you would develop this exoskeleton,
Speaker 5: but also physically, I think the reason that most paeople
Speaker 5: are so shocked, horrified insert appropriate response. By what you
Speaker 5: do is because most women have a relationship with their bodies.
Speaker 5: That is kind of like if we've had vigorous six
Speaker 5: with one man for a night, or we've had to
Speaker 5: change tampons a lot during a day, we're like, oh,
Speaker 5: we're kind of tender and whatever on and fifty seven
Speaker 5: men is not even conceivable doing wrong.
Speaker 4: I can have sex with one person it hurts. I'm like, actually,
Speaker 4: I want to stop. Same with tampons. You won't see
Speaker 4: me put in a tampon and unless I need to,
Speaker 4: I'll just put tissue in my pants. Like I completely
Speaker 4: get it that you can have sex with one person
Speaker 4: and it can hurt, And that still happens for me.
Speaker 4: But during the thousand there was so much that went
Speaker 4: into that. There was so much adrenaline, so much excitement,
Speaker 4: something I'd wanted to do for so long.
Speaker 1: For me, it was kind of like a marathon.
Speaker 4: I mean, I joke asay, I went through a lot
Speaker 4: of races that day, which I did, but it's not
Speaker 4: something I could do every day. I would hurt and
Speaker 4: it would be damaging for my body. But for doing
Speaker 4: it for one day, for twelve hours. Yes, it's crazy,
Speaker 4: but I know when I've been dating before or had
Speaker 4: a good sex life, sometimes I would have been having
Speaker 4: sex with that guy for four or five hours and
Speaker 4: not thought anything of it. So, yes, having sex for
Speaker 4: twelve hours with those different men is kind of crazy.
Speaker 4: But when people go on honeymoons and stuff, sometimes I'm
Speaker 4: in the bedroom all day, no enough, having sex. And
Speaker 4: really it's not that different to having loads of different sizes.
Speaker 5: I think it's pretty different. I think I can only imagine,
Speaker 5: but to me, it sounds pretty different. And my visceral
Speaker 5: response is that it's very different. But for you, it
Speaker 5: doesn't seem to be very different. And I guess I'm
Speaker 5: asking how did you come to this point?
Speaker 3: Where were you when you had it?
Speaker 5: Almost well, where were you when you first had the idea?
Speaker 5: And who do you share those ideas with? Was it
Speaker 5: your idea or was it someone around a table? Is
Speaker 5: it someone who's managing you or collaborating with you?
Speaker 4: I so obviously started off doing schoolies three years ago,
Speaker 4: and I think it was like thirty something people I
Speaker 4: slept with realized how well schoolies went, and then went
Speaker 4: and did the American version, which is spring Break and
Speaker 4: slept with like one hundred and thirty people in two weeks,
Speaker 4: and during spring break, I actually shared my room number
Speaker 4: online on the last night and there was a queue
Speaker 4: of nineteen spring breakers and that was when I had
Speaker 4: my first gang bank, my first large interaction, and it
Speaker 4: was actually so much fun. We was laughing. Some of
Speaker 4: them couldn't get hard, some of them was finishing really quickly,
Speaker 4: some of them was just there to encourage their friends.
Speaker 4: And I was like, this isn't what I thought a
Speaker 4: gang band would be. I still thought, even though I
Speaker 4: was a sex work at the time, that that would
Speaker 4: be a bit probably bit intimidating and having nineteen men,
Speaker 4: you know, in a room. But I was actually laughing
Speaker 4: the whole time and realized, this isn't you know. A
Speaker 4: gang mind is what you make it, and it's the
Speaker 4: same with sex. It's what you make it. It doesn't
Speaker 4: have to be hard if you don't want it hard.
Speaker 4: It can be very passionate if that's the way you
Speaker 4: want it. And that's when I started to change my
Speaker 4: opinion on gang bangs and large interactions with people. I
Speaker 4: then went in diod freshes in the UK and that
Speaker 4: was like one hundred and fifty people, and I was like,
Speaker 4: at what point do I just admit I want to
Speaker 4: sleep with as many people as I want.
Speaker 1: So from spring Break to fresh.
Speaker 4: As, my plan was to build a big name for
Speaker 4: myself because I wanted to do a thousand and it
Speaker 4: was actually a journalist at the time called Joe who
Speaker 4: worked for Daily Start at the time, and he kept
Speaker 4: I kept doing a lot of interviews with him and
Speaker 4: he was like, God, you're sleeping with more and more
Speaker 4: people all the time.
Speaker 1: Would you ever go for the world record?
Speaker 4: I didn't know at this moment in time a world
Speaker 4: record was even a thing. I didn't know a woman
Speaker 4: had tried to sleep with X amount of people within
Speaker 4: twelve hours. Straight after that call, I was searching it.
Speaker 4: I was like, what is this record? What is you know,
Speaker 4: the most amount of people that has been slept within
Speaker 4: a day. So it was back in March twenty twenty
Speaker 4: four when the idea originally came around, but it was
Speaker 4: not something I could do straight away. It's one thing
Speaker 4: saying you're going to do it, it's another thing mentally
Speaker 4: being ready for it and also having a thousand people
Speaker 4: cure up for you. It's not easy and there's a
Speaker 4: lot of logistics that go behind it. So yeah, Throughout
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, I continued building a name for myself,
Speaker 4: continued doing gang bangs, different sizes, sleeping with strangers. So
Speaker 4: I was very familiar with what interactions can be like,
Speaker 4: what happens, and how to conduct myself, how to give
Speaker 4: people a good experience. And at the start of January,
Speaker 4: very quick turnaround. To be honest, I said to my team,
Speaker 4: I want to go for the world record this month,
Speaker 4: and two weeks later I did exactly that. So it
Speaker 4: was I say, a quick turnaround. It was from the
Speaker 4: you know, I was like, Okay, I want to get
Speaker 4: it done this month. But it was in my mind
Speaker 4: for a long time and something I'd spoken about anyone
Speaker 4: that was around me, friends, family, people I'd worked with.
Speaker 4: I'd always say, I want to do this in the future.
Speaker 5: When you mention your friends and family, Yeah, Obviously along
Speaker 5: the way with the evolution of well from Tea into Bonnie,
Speaker 5: you have had to navigate that with your family as well,
Speaker 5: your mom and your dad, and you're always at pains
Speaker 5: to point out that you had a very happy childhood
Speaker 5: and upbringing, not beset by trauma, which a lot of
Speaker 5: people like to win.
Speaker 4: Fortunate, but a lot of sex workers do come out
Speaker 4: and say I've had a badult bring in, or I've
Speaker 4: done this because of trauma or for whatever reasons people
Speaker 4: do it. But yeah, I've fortunately a lot of time
Speaker 4: sex workers, you're just assumed you have daddy issues.
Speaker 3: So how were your parents?
Speaker 5: I know that they're part of your team now, or
Speaker 5: that your mummy is part of your team, how were
Speaker 5: your parents initially when you had the conversation with him
Speaker 5: about with them about the work that you were doing,
Speaker 5: and as it progressively got more and more extreme.
Speaker 4: For sure, they first found out by sex tape being
Speaker 4: lead to them. I was always going to tell my parents,
Speaker 4: but I was still as I mentioned, when I first started,
Speaker 4: I didn't really know what I was doing. I didn't
Speaker 4: know if I was going to enjoy yet. I didn't
Speaker 4: know if the it was going to give me freedom,
Speaker 4: and I wanted to know what it was going to
Speaker 4: offer me and if I was going to enjoy it
Speaker 4: before saying to my parents, Hey, this is what I do,
Speaker 4: but these are the benefits.
Speaker 1: I enjoy it.
Speaker 4: And you know that was taken from me by a
Speaker 4: video being leaked and my mom was very shocked. She
Speaker 4: had always seen me dressed in a suit working in
Speaker 4: an office, so then to hear your daughter's a sex worker.
Speaker 4: She thought maybe I was having money issues, maybe someone
Speaker 4: was telling me to do it.
Speaker 1: But I think that's because very old school thinking.
Speaker 4: You know, often with sex work, it was someone telling
Speaker 4: you to do it, or it was for quick money.
Speaker 4: At the time, I reassured them as much as I can,
Speaker 4: as much as I could, sorry, say, look, I'm choosing
Speaker 4: to do this. I'm wanting to get freedom in my life.
Speaker 4: I wanted to get flexibility. It's actually not what you think.
Speaker 4: A lot of the time, I'm just selling photos and
Speaker 4: videos of myself.
Speaker 1: My mom said, look, I.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't choose this for you, but if it's something you
Speaker 4: want to do, it's going to make you happy. Were
Speaker 4: those shocked, I think, yeah, I think a shot would
Speaker 4: be the crept word. But it was more because I
Speaker 4: was classes very innocent. You know, I had always worked
Speaker 4: really hard in the office.
Speaker 1: Everyone had always had a lot of respect for me.
Speaker 4: I worked hard from a young age, had a nice car,
Speaker 4: brought a house early.
Speaker 3: You were a dancer. Dancers work hard.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I you know, from especially from an outside perspective,
Speaker 4: I look like the perfect order, hard working, traveling I
Speaker 4: was independent and in good money, well not good money,
Speaker 4: but especially compared to my friends that say, just did
Speaker 4: an admin job. So yeah, shocks and more just confused,
Speaker 4: And I don't blame them. It's you know, being a
Speaker 4: adult content creator that makes sexual content is a lot
Speaker 4: more normal now and not always understood. But it's a
Speaker 4: lot easier to understood because it's so spoken about. But
Speaker 4: for my parents that don't really go on social media
Speaker 4: and didn't know much about adult content, for sure, they
Speaker 4: was a bit confused to start with.
Speaker 5: Do you think And I know that your mum has
Speaker 5: said this, and that she's spoken about the fact that
Speaker 5: you're very happy and that you live our fulfilling life,
Speaker 5: and that she has actually gone so far as to
Speaker 5: say if most people were offered the money to do this,
Speaker 5: they would also do it. Yeah, which is not strictly
Speaker 5: the case, because the world is full of beautiful women
Speaker 5: who aren't sex workers, who also have money trouble paying
Speaker 5: their bills.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can be beautiful and still not earn money.
Speaker 4: They as loads of sex workers, I know, but they
Speaker 4: just don't know much money because.
Speaker 1: It's not just about sex.
Speaker 4: You've got to market yourself, you've got to understand your audience,
Speaker 4: you've got to understand social media. So there's a lot
Speaker 4: more people that would want to do it. And when
Speaker 4: I meet a lot of women, they would love to
Speaker 4: do it, but they're too scared of the judgment. They're
Speaker 4: too scared of what people think about that. So people
Speaker 4: want to do it, they're just or not not everyone's
Speaker 4: brave enough. And that's completely fine. Like you can't. I've
Speaker 4: always said with this job, I really dislike the sex
Speaker 4: workers that do this, happy to take the money and
Speaker 4: then they do nothing but complain about it. You can't
Speaker 4: go into this blame in the industry and blame on
Speaker 4: your subscribers, perhaps not in your confidence, because.
Speaker 1: You've got to manage that yourself.
Speaker 4: And you can't just be a sex worker and not
Speaker 4: clever enough to understand that it's like doing any job
Speaker 4: and then complaining I have too much stream.
Speaker 5: When you talk about judgment, this is an interesting ideological perspective.
Speaker 5: I guess is that do you see judgment as just
Speaker 5: purely an external force.
Speaker 3: That can have a.
Speaker 5: Negative impact on you, or do you also believe that
Speaker 5: there's an inherent sense of self worth or dignity or
Speaker 5: whatever in people.
Speaker 4: To me judgment, it's just people's opinions. It's not statements,
Speaker 4: it's not fact. It's just what people think about you.
Speaker 4: And that's the sort of truth of it is. Everyone's
Speaker 4: got different things, they believe, different morals, different things they
Speaker 4: would or wouldn't do, And I completely respect that, and
Speaker 4: I think more people should respect what I choose to
Speaker 4: do because I'm not really bothered what other people do.
Speaker 4: But there's a lot of people that make it their
Speaker 4: whole personality and get so angry by what I do.
Speaker 4: But when you break it down, I choose to do this,
Speaker 4: I'm happy, and me being happy often is what frustrates
Speaker 4: more people because they want to see me upset. They
Speaker 4: want to see me saying I'm traumatized, and it's crazy
Speaker 4: that they say they care so much, you know about oh,
Speaker 4: my god, her well being, she's not okay, she shouldn't
Speaker 4: be doing this. But you're also in the same sentence
Speaker 4: saying how much you hate me, So you can't really
Speaker 4: be that worried about our wellbeing.
Speaker 5: But also, you have played your own part in that,
Speaker 5: because you have, by your own admission, gone out of
Speaker 5: your way to rage baits, particularly women.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 4: But the reason it doesn't offend me is because it's
Speaker 4: not true. So when I'm saying, oh, look, if you're
Speaker 4: a middle aged parent and you're just staying at home
Speaker 4: and you're not pleasuring your husband, there reason sometimes they're
Speaker 4: getting so frustrated. It's because they look in the miror
Speaker 4: they're like, she's describing me. So it's not my fault
Speaker 4: if what I'm saying is true to you, Because I
Speaker 4: know if I ever saw a video saying oh, if
Speaker 4: you're a twenty six year old that's got no motivation
Speaker 4: in life and you just sit and complain about it,
Speaker 4: wouldn't even stress me out because it has no correlation
Speaker 4: to me. There's nothing which is similar to that video
Speaker 4: to my truth. So these people that get so offended,
Speaker 4: it's because it's hitting too close to home.
Speaker 5: It depends also, I think on what your perspective of
Speaker 5: sexualities as well. Do you believe that sexuality, I mean,
Speaker 5: we all know that there's that carnal, animalistic aspect to
Speaker 5: sexuality that's probably pure pleasure. Do you believe that there's
Speaker 5: a spiritual aspect to sexuality?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: Ah, To me, it's just very simple. If you want
Speaker 4: to have sex with someone, you have sex with someone.
Speaker 4: If you enjoy your public continue to do it. But
Speaker 4: there's not sort of like a bigger picture, bigger image.
Speaker 1: I sort of believe in it.
Speaker 3: Wow, oh that's so interesting.
Speaker 5: So then if you go back to your first romantic
Speaker 5: when you were fourteen, when you first got with the
Speaker 5: man who later on became your husband, and you first
Speaker 5: had that sexual desire for each other and you acted
Speaker 5: on that, did you not have feel that you were
Speaker 5: communing at some that there was a great intimacy towards
Speaker 5: that wasn't just physical.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd say there was a connection, but I wouldn't
Speaker 4: be saying like, oh, spiritually were combined and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I'd say, yeah, we had a connection.
Speaker 4: Yes, I fancied him at the time, but in terms
Speaker 4: of the whole spiritually and everything else that people like
Speaker 4: to talk about is.
Speaker 1: Not really something I believe in.
Speaker 4: If you've got a connection with someone, amazing, but I
Speaker 4: don't overcomplicate it.
Speaker 5: When you got married, did you what vows did you take?
Speaker 5: Like and was there a consideration at the time.
Speaker 4: I think it was just the basic ones. I can't
Speaker 4: really remember my wedding well, it wasn't really a wedding.
Speaker 4: It was just a very basic what's the word like
Speaker 4: registry office?
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like a civil Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean it's in a nice building.
Speaker 3: But and why did you decide to get married?
Speaker 1: Good question.
Speaker 4: I At the time, I've been with my partner a
Speaker 4: very long time. I you know, couldn't imagine my future
Speaker 4: without him. But I think looking back, it was more
Speaker 4: couldn't imagine my future without him because I've been with
Speaker 4: him from major of fourteen, and you know, from majors
Speaker 4: to fourteen to sort of twenty one, that's when you
Speaker 4: grow a lot as a person. You either start to
Speaker 4: become independent and you can't really remember your life. I
Speaker 4: can't from like under the age of ten too much,
Speaker 4: like the odd memory comes to mind. But I couldn't
Speaker 4: really remember my life before him. So for me, it
Speaker 4: was just Okay, I'm going to be with this person
Speaker 4: for the rest of my life. We brought a how
Speaker 4: together was relocating to Australia, and naturally, society at that
Speaker 4: point when you've been with someone so long makes you
Speaker 4: think the next step is marriage. And of course I
Speaker 4: think I was trying to follow what I thought happiness was.
Speaker 4: You know, everyone gets married and it's like, oh wow,
Speaker 4: that's amazing, you're so happy, And looking back, I don't
Speaker 4: think I was that happy, but I was trying to
Speaker 4: go through all the emotions that would bring me happiness.
Speaker 5: When we talked earlier about people being angry at you, yeah,
Speaker 5: do you understand why that is?
Speaker 4: For sure, But often it's a lot of lies. I
Speaker 4: get a lot of hate for being apparently a predator
Speaker 4: or a groomer, and a lot of people be like,
Speaker 4: oh my god. I mean some people make up and
Speaker 4: say I see it with sixteen year olds, completely not true,
Speaker 4: and I actually think it's quite sickening in their head
Speaker 4: that they actually go on places like TikTok and make
Speaker 4: up stories which aren't true, just try and pat me
Speaker 4: in a bad image. But I see with eighteen year
Speaker 4: olds that are consenting, but people really like to pretend
Speaker 4: it's a blurred line. And to me, there's a lot
Speaker 4: of things which people can be confused about. But if
Speaker 4: someone has consented to being in a video and they're
Speaker 4: above the legal age, it's legal, and the answer is yes,
Speaker 4: it's fine. So when people like to make out this confusion,
Speaker 4: really it's more confut uson of how viacoms that conclusion.
Speaker 5: We'll continue this conversation with Bonnie Blue in just a moment.
Speaker 5: This is no filter, you know, because of that barely
Speaker 5: legal aspect of your work. For instance, the girls that
Speaker 5: have been involved in the Schoolgirl when they all dressed
Speaker 5: like schoolgirls. Yeah, if one of those girls was to
Speaker 5: come to you and say in subsequent years, that was
Speaker 5: really damaging to me. I felt at the time like
Speaker 5: I had agency, but in retrospect, I actually think that
Speaker 5: was very damaging to my life. Would you feel any
Speaker 5: responsibility towards them?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: Do all those girls that was in that video was
Speaker 4: above the age of twenty. They dress young and have
Speaker 4: made their whole personalities about making themselves either dress as
Speaker 4: a schoolgirl, make themselves look younger. I've been selling sex
Speaker 4: tape for multiple years beforehand.
Speaker 1: What they was.
Speaker 4: Doing was exactly the same thing they've already been doing,
Speaker 4: just live, which is why on and off camera I
Speaker 4: said to him, let me know if you if it's
Speaker 4: anything you feel uncomfortable with, talk to them through exactly
Speaker 4: what was going to happen in depth. Let them know
Speaker 4: multiple times if you don't feel comfortable or you want
Speaker 4: to break anything like that, please let me know. So
Speaker 4: it might seem like it was an intimidating experience, But
Speaker 4: for anyone that has ever worked with me, whether they're
Speaker 4: dressed up as a schoolgirl or whether they're you know,
Speaker 4: fourties of you know, in their fifties, they will only
Speaker 4: ever say I would beyond professional and reassuring.
Speaker 5: My question is more probably about something that you've spoken
Speaker 5: about yourself, the changes that a person often enacts in
Speaker 5: the course of their life. For instance, when you got married,
Speaker 5: you're a very different person now than you were in
Speaker 5: consequently have outgrown that marriage. Is that people can make
Speaker 5: decisions that are not necessarily always in their best interest.
Speaker 3: And what.
Speaker 5: Responsibility do you ever feel towards another person. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's a societal equation, really, that's how society functions.
Speaker 4: They're not my responsibility. My responsibility is on that day.
Speaker 4: I mean, if they said to me in any year's time, look,
Speaker 4: I'm really struggling. I don't like this video being out there,
Speaker 4: I would remove the video. Like, yes, these chances it's
Speaker 4: still leaked and it's still going to be out there,
Speaker 4: but I would do what's within my power to, you know,
Speaker 4: make sure they feel good, but they're also not stupid,
Speaker 4: and I can't be the person to educate every single
Speaker 4: person on the fight. If you do this video with
Speaker 4: me today, you might come to regret it in two
Speaker 4: years time. You know, you were taught from a very
Speaker 4: young age that you could do something today and later
Speaker 4: regret it, and that could be at any stage in life.
Speaker 4: But you can't live your life thinking what if I
Speaker 4: regret this in the future. You might as well just
Speaker 4: stay indoors and not do anything, because you could go
Speaker 4: on a night out with your friends and then really
Speaker 4: embarrass yourself.
Speaker 1: So you can't live your life thinking of what I
Speaker 1: very regret this.
Speaker 4: As long as you go into things, and at the time,
Speaker 4: if that day you feel comfortable with it and you're
Speaker 4: confident and you feel good, really you might look back
Speaker 4: and think that, okay, that wasn't the smartest of moves.
Speaker 4: But as long as you feel okay and there's nothing
Speaker 4: else I can do. I can't be responsible for everyone,
Speaker 4: and I think a lot of people try and put
Speaker 4: that responsibility on me. Apparently I'm not a good role model,
Speaker 4: or you know, I should be responsible for sex education,
Speaker 4: or I shouldn't ever do rough sex in case someone
Speaker 4: else does that to somebody else, you know, another woman,
Speaker 4: and it's not my responsibility. I can talk about what
Speaker 4: I enjoy and the rest is really isn't my problem.
Speaker 5: You know, when you've said things like you've looked at
Speaker 5: me and who were waiting to fuck you?
Speaker 3: Or whatever?
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you've said you've enjoyed you enjoy seeing the
Speaker 5: wedding rings in the queue.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. Obviously part of that is, you know, to
Speaker 4: anger people and prostraight people. But then the other part
Speaker 4: of it is being able to pleasure someone that might
Speaker 4: not be in a happy marriage, or being able to
Speaker 4: give something someone that they might not be getting elsewhere.
Speaker 4: And to me, if they're already sleeping with somebody else,
Speaker 4: they're already doing it. And yes, I don't mind cheating,
Speaker 4: but the relationship has already broken down, probably way before
Speaker 4: they've gotten my queue.
Speaker 1: So I'll talk about it.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I'll be the one to be blamed if
Speaker 4: the woman was to find out he had sex with me,
Speaker 4: But that blames not on me. It's on the both
Speaker 4: of them for not communicating they're not happy again. I
Speaker 4: can't take responsibilities for people marriages breaking down.
Speaker 5: I can't take responsibility for that, But I'm wondering if
Speaker 5: you've had in the interim since your own marriage has
Speaker 5: broken down, if you've had cause to reflect upon that differently.
Speaker 1: No, my.
Speaker 4: Marriage, yes it broke down, but it actually broke down
Speaker 4: in a nice way. We just grew apart and no
Speaker 4: longer loved each other. So it's very different to you know,
Speaker 4: marriage that has stayed together and then start to cheating
Speaker 4: on one another.
Speaker 5: And I know you say you grew apart, but you're
Speaker 5: because it seems like so many of the decisions that
Speaker 5: you were making you were making together.
Speaker 1: No, he actually told me don't do school? Is you
Speaker 1: know not?
Speaker 4: Because I mean, as soon as I did it, and
Speaker 4: he saw the benefit in terms of money, he was like,
Speaker 4: one hundred percent do it. But he thought, you know,
Speaker 4: at this point, I'd never dealt with the news. I
Speaker 4: never dealt with backlash, and of course someone close to
Speaker 4: they want to protect you, so he wasn't sure how
Speaker 4: it'd be perceived. He wasn't sure if I'd mentally be
Speaker 4: able to handle it. So the people around me never
Speaker 4: actually encourage what I did. There was completely supportive, but
Speaker 4: people were scared, you know, I might damage a reputation.
Speaker 1: Instead, I mean, you could say I've got.
Speaker 4: Damaged reputation, but it also allowed me to grow and
Speaker 4: realize what I enjoyed.
Speaker 5: So are you saying that his mind was changed by
Speaker 5: the money?
Speaker 4: I mean at this point we'd already you know, he
Speaker 4: was living back in the UK. I was in Australia,
Speaker 4: so we hadn't officially split, but we wasn't we wasn't
Speaker 4: sort of together.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was more.
Speaker 4: I mean, once you could see I could deal with
Speaker 4: it mentally and physically. He was supported of that anyway.
Speaker 4: But yeah, the obviously the money also helped.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: I ask you this as well, because I've been married
Speaker 5: for over twenty years, right, And it's not when I
Speaker 5: said it's not.
Speaker 3: Easy to be married.
Speaker 5: What I mean is just as life is not easy,
Speaker 5: that there will be times when you are together and
Speaker 5: there are times when things are difficult, and there are
Speaker 5: times when one.
Speaker 3: Of you is here and one of you is there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it seems to me.
Speaker 5: Particularly cruel some of your jobs towards women, And I'm
Speaker 5: struck by why you would be so particularly cruel to women.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not I always say, it's not actually that
Speaker 4: I hate women. It's more that's where all my hate
Speaker 4: comes from. When I first started this, I never made
Speaker 4: videos saying I want to sleep with your husband, or
Speaker 4: I think women are judgmental, and you know I'm going
Speaker 4: to sleep with your son.
Speaker 1: Once I started doing.
Speaker 4: Belly Legal content, yes, I had a look at the
Speaker 4: comments and it was majority, like over ninety percent women
Speaker 4: that were just giving me nothing but hate on my appearance.
Speaker 1: The way I looked, I did say, and I was.
Speaker 4: Disgusting, and I realized, Okay, these women are giving me
Speaker 4: so much hate, but they don't actually know the truth.
Speaker 4: They've just sort of seen one rage bait, you know,
Speaker 4: a video of me saying I'm going to see it
Speaker 4: with the bare illegal, and then made up this whole
Speaker 4: other story in their head. And I very quickly realized,
Speaker 4: I'm going to make more videos off the back of
Speaker 4: this one to show your hate comments. Actually I'm going
Speaker 4: to have the last laugh. But also, women spend a
Speaker 4: lot more time on social media. Yes, you know you
Speaker 4: don't ever have You don't go on a comment section
Speaker 4: and see men arguing about someone's appearance, Oh god, that
Speaker 4: guy looks old, or you know, you just don't see
Speaker 4: which is funny because women are also the first ones
Speaker 4: to say, let's support women, let's do this.
Speaker 1: It's the women that give me the hate.
Speaker 4: And I understand why you'd look at what I say
Speaker 4: about women now and go, obviously you're going to get
Speaker 4: the hate. But really it's the women that started this.
Speaker 4: It's just I finished it. They was the ones that
Speaker 4: was internely judging my appearance, appearance, what I did, saying
Speaker 4: I'm disgusting, I should be ashamed, and a massive long
Speaker 4: list of hate it was given me. And I was like, actually,
Speaker 4: I'm I'm going to run with this hate, and I
Speaker 4: continued to do so, and what I say can come
Speaker 4: across harsh, but it is true. I do sleep with husbands,
Speaker 4: and I just market it well as well. The husbands
Speaker 4: honestly don't really see them tiktoks and say, oh my god, yep,
Speaker 4: I'm going to go to.
Speaker 1: It because she's just said something bad about my wife.
Speaker 5: Well, also that's a there's also this sacrecy with me
Speaker 5: about their aspect of their sexuality, and that's of course
Speaker 5: what what is very hurtful and confronting to women as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so with the like with the women, it's not
Speaker 4: that I hate them my you know, women are brilliant.
Speaker 4: But it's also the women that sit there and get
Speaker 4: so wound up, the ones that are the first person
Speaker 4: to hate women, bitch a lot. We like to pretend
Speaker 4: women are nothing, but this amazing and massive list were
Speaker 4: saying a lot of the time that is true. Also,
Speaker 4: women are the most picty, judgmental people you'll come across.
Speaker 4: I've never you know, I've got a lot of male friends. If, however,
Speaker 4: they've gone to the pub or bid in group chats
Speaker 4: with them, You'll never see them screenshotting someone in someone's
Speaker 4: Instagram post and comments on their outfit, what they're wearing,
Speaker 4: and what they're doing.
Speaker 1: They don't care.
Speaker 4: They've got better things to be doing. But the same
Speaker 4: women that say they support women, it's the same ones
Speaker 4: that will drag you down behind your back. And the
Speaker 4: difference is, I'm very vocal and I don't do my
Speaker 4: things beyond my back. I'm not sleeping with anyone's husband
Speaker 4: behind the back. I'm actually telling you I'm doing it.
Speaker 4: So yeah, you could say it looks like I hate women,
Speaker 4: but actually I'm just very truthful in doing what other
Speaker 4: women do. But it's just usually behind someone else's back.
Speaker 5: Who are the women in your life. So you've got
Speaker 5: your sister and your mum. Who are your friends, who's
Speaker 5: your posse?
Speaker 4: So I've got a small friendship group, and I've always
Speaker 4: kind of had the same friendship group, never been bothered
Speaker 4: about having a massive group of friends because I've always
Speaker 4: found it quite pitchy. And sometimes the more people that
Speaker 4: are in your circle, the more this seems to be
Speaker 4: arguments and I just can't I can't be bothered with that,
Speaker 4: to be honest, And I never have cared to go
Speaker 4: out my way to comment on someone's appearance or how
Speaker 4: many friends they've got, how many followers they've got, and.
Speaker 1: I just find it petty.
Speaker 4: But a lot of girls, that is their personality and
Speaker 4: that is, you.
Speaker 1: Know, the only things they can speak about.
Speaker 4: So I've always had a small friendship group of girls,
Speaker 4: but naturally got along with men a lot better because
Speaker 4: I'm very outdoorsy. My interests are camping, fishing, surfing, anything
Speaker 4: that involves water.
Speaker 1: Role.
Speaker 5: The reason that I asked, though, is because you've had
Speaker 5: this trajictory now where you have gone. You've become famous,
Speaker 5: and you know there's often a tendency for the world
Speaker 5: of the famous person to then become encapsulated by people
Speaker 5: who are standing sentry for them and they're on the payroll.
Speaker 5: So now your family is on the payroll. Who are
Speaker 5: the people in your life that are not on the payroll?
Speaker 5: And I asked that not in the sense of judging
Speaker 5: you for that, because there's generosity inherent in that that
Speaker 5: I recognize. But then who are the people that will
Speaker 5: speak truth to the power of your enormous earning capacity.
Speaker 4: So I've got a group of friends I'm not going
Speaker 4: to name, just because you know, often I could say
Speaker 4: one thing and the next month the press outside the
Speaker 4: house knocking on their door. But I do have a
Speaker 4: group of friends. They're not on the payroll. But even
Speaker 4: if going back to my family, like they're on the
Speaker 4: pay well, not to force them to say the proud
Speaker 4: of me, but anyone that loves their family and has
Speaker 4: come from a good family, if they start earning good money,
Speaker 4: why on earth would you send your family to work
Speaker 4: when you could, you know, help them out. So it's
Speaker 4: often perceived as, oh, my family and need support me
Speaker 4: because I pay them. No, I pay them because I
Speaker 4: love them and I've had a good, good relationship with them,
Speaker 4: and I continue to do so, and why could you
Speaker 4: ever look at someone that is, you know, working really hard,
Speaker 4: full time job.
Speaker 1: And giving their time to someone else.
Speaker 4: I want to help them out, and like often I'm
Speaker 4: not saying you're risting it, but it gets twisted like, oh,
Speaker 4: the people around you the only care because they're on
Speaker 4: the payroll. A lot of the people I am with
Speaker 4: all the time. A lot of people i'm with now
Speaker 4: aren't on the payroll. It's you know, do I help
Speaker 4: people out?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: Because shockingly I'm actually a nice person and I, you know,
Speaker 4: will do anything for anyone that's supportive and nice, and
Speaker 4: I'm in a position where I can.
Speaker 5: I don't mean that that's not nice, But what I
Speaker 5: mean is, as you know from your mother's own mouth,
Speaker 5: that money has a power to transform the way that
Speaker 5: you feel about things. So if do you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, so that perhaps their parental concerns might be
Speaker 5: compromised by the money, not that you're doing it to
Speaker 5: control what they I.
Speaker 4: Think money, as much as we'd like to say, it
Speaker 4: doesn't buy happiness, it does. It's given me freedom, flexibility,
Speaker 4: and it's given me time. It's allowing them to change
Speaker 4: their opinion on it because I'm not stuck in an
Speaker 4: office all day every day complaining about it. So the money,
Speaker 4: I have traveled the world this year. I have gone
Speaker 4: to more countries than I could have even imagined. So
Speaker 4: the money is something that's allowed me to do a
Speaker 4: life I've always wanted to do. So yeah, it has
Speaker 4: helped them change their opinion. And because they see online
Speaker 4: I get hate, I get death threats.
Speaker 1: I have secure with.
Speaker 4: Me now And if I was doing that whilst sat,
Speaker 4: you know, just in my bedroom twelve hours day, all
Speaker 4: day every day, they were like, look it, it's not
Speaker 4: worth it. It's not adding not because you know, you're
Speaker 4: giving so much of your time and your body to
Speaker 4: receive death threats and hate and you're not being able
Speaker 4: to travel and experience the world.
Speaker 1: But that's not the case.
Speaker 4: And they also see how I deal with the hate
Speaker 4: mentally don't care, so they are able to see actually
Speaker 4: this might be.
Speaker 3: But you don't care.
Speaker 5: But it seems, as we discussed earlier, it seems like
Speaker 5: you're wired differently.
Speaker 4: I think it's because I lived the life the reason why.
Speaker 4: And I'm sure even perhaps yourself look at it and it'say,
Speaker 4: how is she not affected?
Speaker 1: How is she not bothered by the hatred.
Speaker 4: But I live this life like I've woken up today
Speaker 4: in Balley, beautiful Villa.
Speaker 1: I've got some friendsis, some people I work with.
Speaker 4: There's about eight straight dogs I've been feeling in the garden,
Speaker 4: and I just think my life is so beautiful. So
Speaker 4: because I'm the one living it, it's very easy for
Speaker 4: me to understand how I deal with the hate. And
Speaker 4: if more people could be a fly on the wall
Speaker 4: of what I actually get up get up to day
Speaker 4: to day, I think their opinion would change quite quickly.
Speaker 1: I'm not on the.
Speaker 4: Streets begging for barely legals and.
Speaker 1: Husbands all the time.
Speaker 4: And often when I'm making these rage baked tiktoks, sometimes
Speaker 4: I have to stop in between because I'm laughing, or
Speaker 4: we say something and we actually laugh at the video
Speaker 4: because we know it's going to frustraight people. Twelve hours later,
Speaker 4: it's on the front page of the news and everyone's
Speaker 4: so angry, and I've actually just made that video in
Speaker 4: a five star hotel with my friends around me, and
Speaker 4: we've actually just had a laugh.
Speaker 3: Why do you do it.
Speaker 4: For views to be able to continue to grow, I
Speaker 4: would never have been able to achieve sleeping with a
Speaker 4: thousand people if it wasn't for the women. The women
Speaker 4: are not my target audience, but they are the ones
Speaker 4: that will reshare my tiktoks, the ones that will build
Speaker 4: the comment sections, the ones that show how fustrated they are,
Speaker 4: which escalates the press, and within that it's been able
Speaker 4: to allow me to build a bigger name for myself
Speaker 4: and sleep with more men. You know, if you're chatting
Speaker 4: about me in your house, your husband's going to gradually
Speaker 4: start over here and then he's going to go out
Speaker 4: his way to search me, whether that's in the bedroom
Speaker 4: with box of tissues or whether it's just social media.
Speaker 1: Are in the news.
Speaker 4: Not everything I do is rage bait. There's a lot
Speaker 4: I do that's not, but it's very quick for me.
Speaker 4: It's very quick marketing. And also it's having like the
Speaker 4: last laugh. You know, even though I'm not offended by
Speaker 4: the hate comments, I'll see a hate comment. I think
Speaker 4: I'm just going to do you over on this one.
Speaker 5: You know, outside of your work, which you're obviously very
Speaker 5: immersed in that at the moment, how do you see
Speaker 5: your life beyond? Is there a life beyond or is
Speaker 5: this something that you will continue to do.
Speaker 4: I think there's always going to be some part of
Speaker 4: Bondy Blue which stays forever. At the moment, there's definitely
Speaker 4: no end day. I'm not working towards a five year plan.
Speaker 4: I know, like a lot of sex workers will do
Speaker 4: sort of five years or even a couple of years
Speaker 4: and then leave the industry.
Speaker 1: For me, because I've.
Speaker 4: Been able to implement it so well into my life
Speaker 4: and being able to live a life alongside this, I
Speaker 4: don't ever see it as I need a break, or
Speaker 4: I need to book in someone your leave, or I
Speaker 4: need to think of retiring. I might not always do
Speaker 4: crazy stunts, but especially for the next few years, I've
Speaker 4: got nothing but bigger and bigger plans. But if I
Speaker 4: ever wake up one day and change your mind, I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm not enjoying it.
Speaker 1: I will just stop. There's no pressure from anyone.
Speaker 4: I've got enough money to retire, so at the moment,
Speaker 4: it's just focused on am I remaining happy.
Speaker 1: If so, I'll continue to do it.
Speaker 5: I meant more personal in terms of your personal do
Speaker 5: you you feel the need or a desire to have
Speaker 5: a relationship and a romantic relationship.
Speaker 4: Not at the moment, but in the future, Yes, I
Speaker 4: cand of imagine myself settling down. It's just not a
Speaker 4: priority at this moment in time. And I used to
Speaker 4: think to be happy, to be fully happy, you need
Speaker 4: to be with a partner, and you need to have
Speaker 4: a boyfriend. For anyone that's been in a long term
Speaker 4: relationship or gone through a break on, you realize just
Speaker 4: because you're in a relationship doesn't always mean you've got happiness.
Speaker 4: Often the married ones are looking at the single ones
Speaker 4: thinking I'm a little bit jealous, And then the single
Speaker 4: ones are looking at the married ones and you know
Speaker 4: also feel like I wish I had that. So being
Speaker 4: in a relationship at this moment in time wouldn't bring
Speaker 4: me any extra happiness.
Speaker 1: My heart is already completely full.
Speaker 5: Was it an interesting moment for you when your husband
Speaker 5: started going out with your former publicist, Like, how was
Speaker 5: that within the team more within you personally or did
Speaker 5: that not a thing?
Speaker 1: No, jenery, just not bothered.
Speaker 4: Like always said to my partner, I would love you
Speaker 4: to move on and be happy. And I think anyone
Speaker 4: that's split up from a previous partner, when you've been
Speaker 4: with him so long, you actually just want them to
Speaker 4: be happy. And I think because I moved on mentally
Speaker 4: such a long time ago and start focusing on myself
Speaker 4: and making myself happy, I just wanted my partner to
Speaker 4: do the same. So it's lovely that he's been able
Speaker 4: to do that.
Speaker 5: But do you not feel the absence of the person
Speaker 5: that's known you the longest since you were fourteen? Do
Speaker 5: you not feel the absence of him in your circle?
Speaker 5: Or is it did it feel like a natural trajectory?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: For me, there's people around me now that know me
Speaker 4: more than he will have ever known me when you're fourteen.
Speaker 4: To me, I was so young, I wasn't not that
Speaker 4: I wasn't a person. I very clearly was, But you're
Speaker 4: very much probably my mom and dad's personality mixed into one,
Speaker 4: and you're just you know, I wasn't.
Speaker 1: Hard to explain. When you're fourteen, you're not.
Speaker 4: A you know, a form and growth person of personality
Speaker 4: and knowing all your interests and hobbies and what you
Speaker 4: want to do in life. So just because you knew
Speaker 4: me at fourteen doesn't mean you actually know me. So
Speaker 4: I don't feel like i'm missing having that person around
Speaker 4: I've never.
Speaker 3: But he's been with you until last year or.
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty three he left Australia and that was the
Speaker 4: start of the year. So yeah, I mean, I've never
Speaker 4: been happier. You know, most happiness I've ever had, the
Speaker 4: most memories I've ever made, is made over the last
Speaker 4: three years.
Speaker 3: Do you consider yourself feminist?
Speaker 4: I never liked this question because if I say yes,
Speaker 4: You've got all the women crying at me telling me
Speaker 4: I'm not. But to me, I don't look too much
Speaker 4: into labeling myself or putting myself in a certain box
Speaker 4: because saying you're a feminist now you've either got to
Speaker 4: be an extreme feminist or you can't be one all.
Speaker 4: Apparently the people that you know talk about it, they're
Speaker 4: so protective about anyone else to saying they're a feminist.
Speaker 4: But I believe that women are equal. They should be
Speaker 4: able to do what they want. They're in control of
Speaker 4: their bodies, and I'm very grateful that there's many women
Speaker 4: that have fought allow me to do what I do
Speaker 4: now because I'm not being controlled by anyone. I'm very
Speaker 4: independent and yeah, I am grateful, so for that, I'd
Speaker 4: fall in the feminist category. But it seems to frustrate
Speaker 4: people a lot that I you know, say I fall
Speaker 4: into that section.
Speaker 5: What do you if you had to describe your worth
Speaker 5: or your contribution hard because I didn't do this outside
Speaker 5: of your sexual work, what would it?
Speaker 3: What hell would you describe?
Speaker 4: I mean, it's always hard to describe. I guess you're
Speaker 4: worth But for me, I don't know. I guess it's
Speaker 4: hard to work, but hard to work. But there's no
Speaker 4: one that's in my close circle that wouldn't say I'm
Speaker 4: not worthy of their time. Or I'm actually a really
Speaker 4: nice person to have around, very generous, very thoughtful.
Speaker 1: So I'm not.
Speaker 4: Sectioned as just a sex worker. I'm not just the
Speaker 4: one that has sex with someone and that's it. I
Speaker 4: have a whole personality aside from that.
Speaker 5: You know, because you've made such a name for yourself,
Speaker 5: for instance, with A thousand or the Bering people or whatever,
Speaker 5: do you feel pressure to constantly escalate what you're doing
Speaker 5: to keep generating that interest.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: I find it amazing that I have such open space
Speaker 4: to be creative, to think of no ideas, to do
Speaker 4: things I want to do. No, it's not going to
Speaker 4: stop at A thousand, but it doesn't mean I'm going
Speaker 4: to go and do another thousand anytime soon. But I
Speaker 4: love being in control of my body, doing what I
Speaker 4: enjoy and being creative with it. Like I said, if
Speaker 4: I go back to my first game bang you ever did,
Speaker 4: it was really fun, it was interactive. It wasn't what
Speaker 4: I thought, And I want to be able to continue
Speaker 4: having sex. It's not always going to be about numbers
Speaker 4: or you only get forty seconds. It's about actually just
Speaker 4: having fun, and it's going to always be kept as
Speaker 4: simple as that. Things can very easily get overly complicated,
Speaker 4: and I want to strip it back and have fun
Speaker 4: and just sort of celebrate life, sex and having pleasure.
Speaker 5: There must be aspects and moments where it's not fun
Speaker 5: and where you're like, oh, this is not right.
Speaker 4: I've never thought in my head this is not right.
Speaker 4: These definitely times I get frustrated, I'm singled out. I'm
Speaker 4: treated differently, not just from you know, either people or
Speaker 4: content creators, but from different platforms and what I get told,
Speaker 4: you know, everyone's treated the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm you know, treated differently.
Speaker 4: That part, I guess one is actually not right, but
Speaker 4: never in terms of the sex. It's more just the
Speaker 4: fact I get treated differently across platforms and even from
Speaker 4: the government occasionally. So yeah, it's that's frustrating, But the
Speaker 4: actual sex side of it, it's never crossed my mind
Speaker 4: that this is this isn't right, or this isn't fun.
Speaker 5: As a result of the controversies. Yeah, and the stance,
Speaker 5: do you feel fulfilled?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I honestly have never been happier, never felt more
Speaker 4: fulfilled in my life. And that's half from the job
Speaker 4: and being able to do what I do, and the
Speaker 4: other half from what it provides me with being able
Speaker 4: to travel and make new memories. But my life, like
Speaker 4: I said, I'm already living my dream and that actually
Speaker 4: angers more people they want me to more people would
Speaker 4: like me if I sat here and cried right now
Speaker 4: said actually I don't enjoy it, it's too much. I
Speaker 4: regret doing this, but never ever been happier in my life,
Speaker 4: and I'm nothing but grateful, And I think that helps
Speaker 4: me never get angered and frustrated by the hate comments
Speaker 4: or the backlash I received, because everyone that gets to
Speaker 4: wake up peach day and experience my life.
Speaker 3: Will you say that you're living a dream?
Speaker 5: And some people that to like me, and that is
Speaker 5: the that is the.
Speaker 4: Due quickly to say I live a nightmare, But if
Speaker 4: you was to look at their life, I know not
Speaker 4: everyone wants to travel and make you crazy new memories.
Speaker 4: Some people are actually really like their routine, and that's fine,
Speaker 4: But a lot of them people that do say I
Speaker 4: live a nightmare. If I listed the countries I'd traveled to,
Speaker 4: if I had listed the memories I've made and the
Speaker 4: things I've been able to experience, they'd look at it differently.
Speaker 4: But the only look at my life is the girl
Speaker 4: that sat with a thousand people, the girl that has
Speaker 4: sex with strangers. And that's fine, but you're very small
Speaker 4: minded to not look at the bigger picture. And not
Speaker 4: everyone would enjoy the sex I have. But I'm confident
Speaker 4: enough to be able to say to a guy, actually,
Speaker 4: can you go a bit slower, a bit faster, can you,
Speaker 4: you know, move a little bit to the left. And
Speaker 4: because of that, I enjoy sex a lot more and
Speaker 4: I make a lot more memories.
Speaker 1: So they're quickly to say i'd have a nightmare.
Speaker 4: But if you actually put a fly on their wall
Speaker 4: compared to my wall and put it up as a show,
Speaker 4: I think you'd be quite quickly jumping into my room.
Speaker 5: So when you prejict forward five or ten years time.
Speaker 5: What does that life? What does Is it Bonnie Blues
Speaker 5: life or is it Tears life?
Speaker 3: What does that look like?
Speaker 4: Firstly, Bonnie Blue and Tier have really sort of merged
Speaker 4: into one. I don't really see like a difference. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm just happy in my life. Some people call me Bonnie,
Speaker 4: some people call me Tier, and I don't see a
Speaker 4: massive difference. But in terms of the future, no idea. Genuinely,
Speaker 4: I've always had a plan, especially when I was younger.
Speaker 4: It was very boring. I thought it was good. I'm like,
Speaker 4: by this age, I want to get engaged. I want
Speaker 4: to save up for a kitchen extension. I want to
Speaker 4: get it done by this date. Then I want to
Speaker 4: You know, you could have said to me what you
Speaker 4: do on Tuesday, four years time from now. I could
Speaker 4: have probably told you exactly where I was now. I
Speaker 4: don't even know where I'm going to be next week.
Speaker 4: And I really like that because I like the unknown.
Speaker 4: I like just being able to experience new things and
Speaker 4: it's not so planned.
Speaker 5: But you know, you have kind of a broad shape
Speaker 5: for yourself. Do you feel like I'm maternal calling? Do
Speaker 5: you see children in your future. You really love your dogs.
Speaker 5: I often think that that's an indicator of how people
Speaker 5: would be with babies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, not in a wish to have children, yet I
Speaker 4: think I will in the future. At the moment, I
Speaker 4: keep thinking about having a farm, some cows. I'm obsessed with,
Speaker 4: fainting goats, rabbits, like the idea of having loads of
Speaker 4: animals somewhere by a beach. But yeah, long term, lots
Speaker 4: of animals, probably children, and I can imagine myself setting down.
Speaker 3: Thanks Bonnie Blue, Thanks Tia, thank you well.
Speaker 5: When we began this episode, we told you that we
Speaker 5: wanted to understand three things, what Bonnie Blue is doing,
Speaker 5: why she's doing it, and what it means for the
Speaker 5: rest of us, And in some ways we got answers.
Speaker 5: Bonnie was clear about the fact that she rage baits
Speaker 5: women on purpose. She knows that women's fury spreads.
Speaker 3: Faster than anything else online.
Speaker 5: She knows that outrage is her most powerful marketing tool,
Speaker 5: and she's willing to use that to her advantage. But
Speaker 5: beyond that, many of the questions we asked were met
Speaker 5: with detachment, compartmentalization, or a refusal to engage on the
Speaker 5: level that we hoped for which is not really surprising.
Speaker 5: We wanted to know whether she understands the implications of
Speaker 5: what she does, not just for women and girls, but
Speaker 5: for men and for the culture that's around sex, consent, entitlement.
Speaker 3: And power.
Speaker 5: We wanted to know whether she recognizes the misogynistic language
Speaker 5: she uses about women, whether she sees any broader harm, and.
Speaker 3: Whether she cares.
Speaker 5: And after speaking with her, it's clear Bonnie Blue is
Speaker 5: aware of the strategy or she invented the strategy. She's
Speaker 5: aware of the attention, she's aware of the outrage. But
Speaker 5: awareness is not the same as accountability, and strategy is
Speaker 5: not the same as reflection. We didn't come away from
Speaker 5: this interview with the sense that Bonnie is interested in
Speaker 5: interrogating her impact. What we did come away with was
Speaker 5: confirmed that her model works because we women respond loudly
Speaker 5: and viscerally to what she does, and the anger she
Speaker 5: provokes is not incidental.
Speaker 3: It is the point.
Speaker 5: There's no single conclusion to draw here, or a neat moral.
Speaker 3: In fact, there's an absence of morals.
Speaker 5: But perhaps the most important thing to take from this
Speaker 5: conversation is this, when someone builds a platform on women's rage,
Speaker 5: the question is not just who they are. It's what
Speaker 5: we choose to do with the feelings they provoke and
Speaker 5: what it makes us ask about the culture that we
Speaker 5: are living in. I'm Kate lane Brook and this is
Speaker 5: No Filter. The executive producer of No Filter is Naima Brown,
Speaker 5: the senior producer.
Speaker 3: Is Breed Player.
Speaker 5: Audio production is by Jacob Brown and video editing is
Speaker 5: by Josh Green. This episode was recorded at Session in
Speaker 5: Progress Studios and I'm your host, Kate Langbrook. I thank
Speaker 5: you so much for listening. Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional
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