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Speaker 1: You're listening too a Molnar podcast. It's Free player.

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Speaker 2: Executive producer of No Filter. Here just a note before

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Speaker 2: we begin this episode. This conversation with Bonnie Blue was

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Speaker 2: recorded while she was in Bali before she was detained

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Speaker 2: by Indonesian authorities. In the days after our recording, Bonnie

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Speaker 2: was arrested during an investigation into alleged breaches of Indonesia's

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Speaker 2: strict anti pornography.

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Speaker 3: And morality laws.

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Speaker 2: Police later confirmed they had not found any pornographic activities

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Speaker 2: or materials and that no criminal pornography charges would be brought.

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Speaker 2: Bonnie was then transferred to the care of Indonesia's Immigration office,

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Speaker 2: who determined she had breached the conditions of her tourist

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Speaker 2: visa by creating commercial content while in the country.

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Speaker 1: She was ordered to be.

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Speaker 2: Deported and blacklisted from returning to Indonesia for at least

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Speaker 2: ten years, with officials indicating that the band may be extended.

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Speaker 2: As of publication, Bonnie has now been deported from Bali

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Speaker 2: and has returned to the United Kingdom. What you are

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Speaker 2: about to hear is the original interview we recorded with Bonnie.

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Speaker 2: Prior to these events.

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Speaker 4: I would never have been able to achieve sleeping with

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Speaker 4: a thousand people if it wasn't for the women. The

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Speaker 4: women are not my target audience, but they are the

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Speaker 4: ones that will reshare my TikTok so, the ones that

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Speaker 4: will build the comment sections, the ones that show how

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Speaker 4: for straighted they are, which escalates the press, and within

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Speaker 4: that it's been able to allow me to build a

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Speaker 4: bigger name for myself.

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Speaker 5: Hello friends, I'm kateline Brook and you are about to

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Speaker 5: hear a conversation with Bonnie Blue. Or perhaps you're not

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Speaker 5: going to hear the conversation with Bonnie Blue. And that's fine,

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Speaker 5: we understand because inside Mama Mia, we spent a long

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Speaker 5: time discussing whether this interview should even happen. Weeks of conversations,

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Speaker 5: long meetings, phone calls.

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Speaker 3: After hours.

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Speaker 5: Every woman on the team had strong feelings, some negative,

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Speaker 5: some for it, some very complex.

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Speaker 3: Before we begin, we want to acknowledge something.

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Speaker 5: You might be angry that we're speaking to Bonnie Blue,

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Speaker 5: and so were we. So the questions we kept returning

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Speaker 5: to were these, why would we do this, why give

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Speaker 5: her any space at all? And importantly, what did she

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Speaker 5: want from us? Because here is something you may not know.

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Speaker 5: Bonnie Blue's team reached out to us, and that baffled us.

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Speaker 5: She specifically asked to come on no filter. She wanted

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Speaker 5: this conversation, and.

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Speaker 3: She wanted it with us.

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Speaker 5: What did she think Mamma Maya could do for her?

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Speaker 5: What did she believe she had to say to our audience?

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Speaker 5: Why approach a platform whose entire mission is making the

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Speaker 5: world better for women and girls, something we unanimously agreed

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Speaker 5: is not something Bonnie Blue contributes to. Ultimately, we agreed

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Speaker 5: to do it because we needed to understand two things,

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Speaker 5: what if anything, could be gained from having this conversation,

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Speaker 5: and why she was so determined to have it with us.

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Speaker 5: We were not interested in using Bonnie Blue for clicks.

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Speaker 5: We had no intention of platforming her, glorifying her, or

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Speaker 5: soft pedaling what she does. We also had not seen

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Speaker 5: her sit for an interview that was not sensationalist, attack

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Speaker 5: dog bullying, or cheering her on. We thought that there

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Speaker 5: was value in a further option, a measured, critical, thoughtful

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Speaker 5: woman lead interview, one that did not pretend to be

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Speaker 5: asked the questions we genuinely wanted answered. Does she understand

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Speaker 5: the implications of what she does. Does Bonnie Blue understand

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Speaker 5: the misogynistic language she uses about women? Does she understand

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Speaker 5: why women are angry? And does she care? And here

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Speaker 5: is what we discovered, after weeks of research, internal debate,

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Speaker 5: and preparation. Behind the stunts and the shock value and

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Speaker 5: the twenty four hour headlines, there's a marketing machine that

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Speaker 5: Bonnie Blue directs herself, a machine built on outrage, provocation, attention,

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Speaker 5: and most importantly, one that deliberately monetizes women's rage. She

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Speaker 5: told us plainly, she rage bates on purpose because it works.

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Speaker 5: She learned quickly that women's fury travels faster than anything

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Speaker 5: else online, and she learned how to use it to

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Speaker 5: her advantage. He's not an interview designed to rehabilitate her image,

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Speaker 5: and it certainly is not designed to promote her. It's

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Speaker 5: an interview designed for one purpose only to understand what

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Speaker 5: Bonnie Blue is doing, why she's doing it, and what

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Speaker 5: it means for the rest of us to try to

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Speaker 5: make sense of a figure who is unsettled and enraged

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Speaker 5: so many women. And here's what surprised us most. Bonnie

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Speaker 5: had no intention of hiding it. She told us upfront.

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Speaker 5: She said, I rage bait on purpose, and that sentence

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Speaker 5: changed the entire way we approached this interview. It may

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Speaker 5: change the way you hear it too. This is no Filter,

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Speaker 5: it really is. I'm Kate Langbrook and this is Bonnie Blue.

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Speaker 3: Bonnie Blue.

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Speaker 5: Hi, I'm Kate, Kate Langbrook. Welcome to No Filter.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited for this one. I'm looking forward to her.

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Speaker 5: Well why are you because you know that I don't

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Speaker 3: Much you know.

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Speaker 5: I know you know a lot about Australia, and I

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Speaker 5: know you've lived here and you've made quite a splash here.

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Speaker 5: But you know, Mum and MEA is the platform that

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Speaker 5: prides itself on making the world a bit of place

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Speaker 5: for women and girls, and you approached us to talk

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Speaker 3: Why did you want to talk to us?

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Speaker 4: I think it's just highlighting that what I'm actually doing

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Speaker 4: is not damaging for women, and this is something I

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Speaker 4: choose to do as someone who's independent.

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Speaker 1: I enjoy this. And everyone has different interest.

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Speaker 4: Different hobbies, and they enjoy and yes, these rage b Yes,

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of things I see for headlines, but

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Speaker 4: behind it is also just a girl who enjoys it

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Speaker 4: and has done nothing ever to give someone a bad

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Speaker 4: interaction with me. I only ever work with those I

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Speaker 4: consent in and want to interact with me.

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Speaker 5: When you say it and what you do for people

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Speaker 5: who don't know what you do?

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Speaker 3: How do you describe that?

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Speaker 4: So I am a adult content creator that makes content

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Speaker 4: with strangers, so that is anyone that wants to get involved.

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Speaker 4: And I also make content with badly legals, which is

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Speaker 4: what causes I guess a massive opro so as anyone

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Speaker 4: above the age of eighteen that would like to have

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Speaker 4: sex with me on camera, and I then post the videos.

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Speaker 5: You know you're we talked about the barely legal thing.

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Speaker 5: You seem to be quite fixated on it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Is it an esthetic preference or a personal preference?

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Speaker 3: Or is it a business strategy?

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Speaker 1: Business?

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Speaker 4: Because if I was to date, I would not be

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Speaker 4: searching an eight for an eighteen year old for me.

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Speaker 4: I've always said of was to date, it'd probably be

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Speaker 4: somebody older. So yes, it's business. But this is somewhat

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Speaker 4: personal preference because I actually enjoy stephen people that aren't

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Speaker 4: from that experience knowing what they're doing, knowing what they're

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Speaker 5: Why do you think you enjoy that so much? Do

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Speaker 5: you think is that a power thing?

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Speaker 4: No, but men can be terrible in the bedroom generally,

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Speaker 4: you could, no matter what age they are. Sometimes they

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Speaker 4: believe what they see, you know, on porn horb or

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Speaker 4: don't seem to realize it's quite fake, it's quite edited.

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Speaker 4: It's not focused on pleasure a lot of the time

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Speaker 4: when you see videos, and that's where they're learning from.

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Speaker 4: They're not learning You might have learned about sex education

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Speaker 4: at school, but it's more about STDs as opposed to

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Speaker 4: sex and what's pleasurable.

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Speaker 1: So there wasn't really ever.

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Speaker 4: Videos online which was focused on pleasure and people nervous

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Speaker 4: you don't get hard, that's okay, And it's not because

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Speaker 4: you don't find the woman attractive. It's you might be

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Speaker 4: or you're under pressure, or it might be too hot

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Speaker 5: A thousand other mean these a thousand other means standing

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but with the badly ego, it's you know, Yes,

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Speaker 4: there has been some gang bangs, but a lot of

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Speaker 4: the time it's one to one or much smaller groups,

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Speaker 4: and quite quickly, when I started doing this content three

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Speaker 4: made them feel like if you didn't get hard, there's

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Speaker 4: something wrong with you. If you didn't last long, that's embarrassing.

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Speaker 4: And I enjoyed being able to reassure them that sex

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Speaker 4: isn't perfect. Sometimes it will hurt, sometimes you won't know

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Speaker 4: girl that is much sexier than you know.

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Speaker 5: But you know, what's interesting is that most people navigate

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Speaker 5: these conversations within the context of a sexual relationship.

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Speaker 3: That they're having one on one with someone.

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Speaker 5: Whereas you're quite evangelical about it, like is it your

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Speaker 5: miss to be teaching young men how to have six?

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Speaker 4: I think more definitely should be shown that a lot

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Speaker 4: of porn is fake, you know, whether it's slapping or

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Speaker 4: hair pulling. They've discussed that off camera, about consent, their limits,

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Speaker 4: their boundaries. Definitely more should be I'm not saying I

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Speaker 4: more should be spoken about, you know, consent. How when

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Speaker 4: you watch these videos online, the consents happened off camera, right,

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Speaker 4: And I think more young people can definitely be pressured

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Speaker 5: What I find interesting is that you're saying a lot

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Speaker 4: I mean, I say on every podcast, every inn to

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Speaker 4: have discussed content beforehand. The hair pulling often is done

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Speaker 4: to look, you know, like it was more extreme on

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Speaker 4: it's not as you know, perhaps rough is what it

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Speaker 4: looks on camera. So I'm breaking down the stigma of yes,

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Speaker 4: just go and get absolutely railed, Yes, get your hair pured.

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Speaker 4: And I speak about every woman wants different things. Everyone

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Speaker 4: has different requirements and different pleasures. But every way, everyone

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Speaker 4: shame me for wanting it rough. Everyone has different different

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Speaker 4: things they enjoy and as long as that's being spoken about,

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Speaker 4: there's no problem doing a rough sex scene, but just

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Speaker 4: being vocal about it that that isn't how all sex happens.

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Speaker 5: What would you say is your moral compass? Like what

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Speaker 5: are you laid by?

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Speaker 4: I don't really think there's anything. I sort of wake

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Speaker 4: to me, I can always sleep well at night if

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Speaker 4: I know the people I've interacted with has had a

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Speaker 4: good experience. There was consenting, they've enjoyed it, They've walked

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Speaker 4: away with smile on their face, And was I happy?

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Speaker 1: Did I enjoy it? Did I get pleasure from it?

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Speaker 4: And I don't overcomplicate it is as long as it's

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Speaker 5: So reports would suggest that you have deliberately sought out

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Speaker 5: environments where very young boys are pre present. Yeah, some

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Speaker 4: Content with anyone any younger than eighteen, But at eighteen,

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Speaker 4: So we like to pretend an eighteen year old is

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Speaker 5: I'm always struck by when in interview situations you're very

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Speaker 3: Even like the way you dress is.

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Speaker 3: If you want to use that language.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I don't like it when you know,

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Speaker 1: But I don't like the.

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Speaker 4: Typical I guess I get sex worker image you would imagine.

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Speaker 4: And so I think, especially when I first started doing

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Speaker 5: But and yet because of what you do, it's so confrontational,

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Speaker 5: Some of the most horrendous things that I can imagine

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Speaker 4: No, you can only be affected if you let it

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Speaker 4: So if you was to call me a slot, it's

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Speaker 4: and I'm not insulted by it. I'm a sex worker.

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Speaker 4: so when people like to try and slushing me, it's

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Speaker 4: If you was to say, actually, I don't think you're

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so very normal. Not bring in no trauma.

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Speaker 4: As much as people like to dig into my background

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Speaker 4: I've come from a very beautiful, happy family, and yeah,

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Speaker 4: when I started making sex tape to start with, I

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Speaker 5: But you've compressed a massive trajectory in your life into

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Speaker 4: So i'd always worte to mccruman. I'd done five years

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Speaker 4: So he worked in a real estate agency as a receptionist.

440
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Speaker 5: Right, So the pair of you come to Australia and

441
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Speaker 5: you're in Sydney.

442
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 3: At Gold Coast our Gold Coast Okay.

443
00:24:18,679 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 4: So yeah, I the plan was to relocate to Australia,

444
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 4: was still going to do recruitment, but I thought, okay,

445
00:24:24,639 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 4: my Saturday and Sundays are going to be massively improved.

446
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 4: I got to Australia and you know, had a year off,

447
00:24:32,679 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 4: which was lovely, was able to you know, basically live

448
00:24:36,919 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 4: my life.

449
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 1: Then everyone was saying.

450
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Speaker 4: To me like, God, you've just lived the best year

451
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 4: of your life. You're never going to have that much

452
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 4: time off work again, Like God, you're always going to

453
00:24:45,919 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 4: look back on this year and wish you could do

454
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 4: it again. And I know people were saying that's to

455
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 4: be nice to say, you know, Wow, you've just had

456
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 4: a year off work.

457
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Speaker 1: You're in Australia. I found that really stressing.

458
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 4: To be honest, because I was like, I'm only twenty

459
00:25:00,679 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 4: twenty four. I can't have lived the best year of

460
00:25:02,639 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 4: my life already, Like this can't be Yeah. But when

461
00:25:05,679 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 4: I was looking at it, I was just about to

462
00:25:07,919 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 4: go back into recruitment. You know, you only get twenty

463
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 4: twenty five days on your leave. And I was like, yes,

464
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 4: I've made the move to Australia, but I'm actually just

465
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 4: going to be going back into my old life.

466
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: And it didn't.

467
00:25:20,399 --> 00:25:22,239
Speaker 4: Actually feel like I'd done that much to change it.

468
00:25:22,879 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 4: So that was when I start to look at different

469
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 4: ways I could earn money and on TikTok at the time,

470
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 4: Camin was being promoted through various different women, like different

471
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 4: body shapes, different backgrounds, and I thought, what if I

472
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 4: was to give that go? So to start with it

473
00:25:39,639 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 4: was about money, freedom and just getting control back in

474
00:25:42,879 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 4: my life.

475
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Speaker 3: How did you.

476
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Speaker 5: Navigate doing that? I'm assuming you're in new bedroom. Yeah,

477
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 5: how did you discuss that then with your husband? Because

478
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 5: most husbands are not on board with the concept of

479
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 5: their wife. Yeah, but suddenly becoming sick actually available at

480
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Speaker 5: any level with a stranger.

481
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: For sure.

482
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Speaker 4: I had the conversation with him like, look, I've been

483
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,239
Speaker 4: seeing people on TikTok talk about camin and he was

484
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 4: instantly supportive. And I know people take that as well,

485
00:26:17,879 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 4: we just wanted your money or he just wanted to

486
00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 4: pimp you out and then you was going to separate.

487
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: But the truth was you could to see.

488
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 4: You know, I'd already done five years in recruitment in

489
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Speaker 4: the UK.

490
00:26:27,639 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 1: Didn't like it.

491
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Speaker 4: Recruitment was, you know, not for me, and he didn't

492
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 4: want me to be unhappy again, and he didn't want

493
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Speaker 4: me to go back into a routine that I didn't enjoy.

494
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 4: And I think because it was online, it was a

495
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 4: much easier, softer way in It wasn't instantly like I

496
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 4: want to go and sleep with Belli Legals and a

497
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Speaker 4: thousand people. It was interactions with a stranger and in

498
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Speaker 4: the comfort of my own home.

499
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Speaker 5: Well, I think these things are often incremental, aren't they.

500
00:26:54,679 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 5: I mean, where you end up at Z is not

501
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Speaker 5: where you've started a day. So, but now I'm talking

502
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 5: to you as a woman who has who made headlines

503
00:27:08,159 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 5: around the world with having slipped with a thoy and

504
00:27:11,639 --> 00:27:15,799
Speaker 5: fifty seven men in twelve hours. Yeah, if someone had

505
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 5: said to you then, which was not that long ago,

506
00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 5: really now, that you would be doing that, what would

507
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 5: your response to that have been.

508
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: I probably would have laughed. I wouldn't have believed it.

509
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 4: The confidence I had when I first started was very low.

510
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 4: I guess I felt insecure. I wasn't confident. I Yeah,

511
00:27:38,399 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 4: I just would have believed it. I would have thought,

512
00:27:40,919 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 4: there's no way. I don't even enjoy sex that much.

513
00:27:43,639 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 4: I don't have the confidence to do that, and I

514
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 4: just wouldn't have thought it was true. So if I,

515
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 4: if you're atomatic, kare well this is true, you are

516
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 4: going to then go and sleep with a thousand people

517
00:27:53,879 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 4: to make headlines world wide. Genuinely would be nothing but

518
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 4: proud of myself. And I still am. Not only am

519
00:28:00,159 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 4: I confident, I'm independent, I enjoy sex, but I've given

520
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 4: myself a beautiful so I know other people would think you.

521
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: Should be disgusted in yourself and you should.

522
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 4: Be ashamed, but actually I'm really proud of the confidence

523
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 4: I have and that the fun I have done what.

524
00:28:15,399 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 3: I do.

525
00:28:20,679 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 5: More from my interview with Bonnie Blue right after this break,

526
00:28:24,679 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 5: you are listening to no filter, which I'm sure is

527
00:28:27,399 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 5: no surprise when you have interactions with people like I

528
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 5: sawr the podcast that you did with Andrew Tate and

529
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 5: another guy mate on or I.

530
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Speaker 3: Don't know his name.

531
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Speaker 5: The things, as I alluded earlier that has said to

532
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:55,519
Speaker 5: you are so horrendous that most people would wilt under them.

533
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 4: When I did the matter what that guy's name is

534
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 4: here was genuine, actually a hormorable person.

535
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: He is the first person.

536
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 4: So usually when I do a podcast run interview, they

537
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 4: might say to me, oh, I think you're disgusted in

538
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 4: or I think you're horrible, and I understand clickbait, I

539
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 4: understand what makes good clips and what's going to help

540
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 4: your podcast get fuse. Whereas that guy actually remained completely

541
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 4: horrible to me off camera, and that is the first

542
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 4: time that's ever happened, and I even said to him,

543
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,239
Speaker 4: you can start giving me respect. Your podcast will get

544
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 4: the most amount of us. Just having me on you

545
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 4: can give me respect. So I'm very different on and

546
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 4: off camera. If you wanted to say to me, I

547
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 4: actually think you're disgusted and you're very harmful for society.

548
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: That's okay.

549
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,479
Speaker 4: Everyone can have their opinion, but I'd still expect us

550
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 4: to be polite and nice to one another. And during

551
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 4: that podcast, yeah, he was very much trying to get

552
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,479
Speaker 4: under my skin. But he was getting more angered the

553
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 4: fact I wasn't reacting the fact every time he gave

554
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 4: me a question and try to state a fact that

555
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 4: I'm a disgust in horror or my family don't love me,

556
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 4: or I'm in my ates, he was getting incredibly angry

557
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 4: that I accept it or I was giving him a

558
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 4: very straight answer and he wasn't able to take it well,

559
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,799
Speaker 4: which I think just continued to frustrate him, which then

560
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 4: led him to be completely horrible off. Cameron actually say,

561
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 4: if E could, he would have stown me to death.

562
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:25,959
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm curious because, like I said, most people would

563
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 5: wilt under that kind of verbal assault. And don't get

564
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 5: me wrong, we know, as you said yourself, that a

565
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 5: lot of people are extremely disapproving, disappointed, whatever in your

566
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 5: line of work. But I'm very curious about what it

567
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 5: is in you that doesn't seem to feel the hurt

568
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 5: in it.

569
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Speaker 1: I think because it's the same, the same.

570
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 4: Like I don't want to say the word ship, well

571
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 4: so certain anyway, but you can see it's it's the same. Oh,

572
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:11,239
Speaker 4: it's the same ship over and over again. It's you're disgusting,

573
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 4: you're a whore, your family don't love you. You look

574
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 4: really old for your age, and it's in my head

575
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 4: I break it down.

576
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: I personally like the way I look.

577
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 4: I don't think I look old, But if someone else

578
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 4: wants to say I look old, that's fine. I'm not

579
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 4: really going to argue with you. I've got better things

580
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 4: to be doing. A slot, Yeah I am. I do

581
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 4: sleep around family. I've got an amazing family. I'm speaking

582
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 4: to them all the time and we make the most

583
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 4: of my memories. So every time they're saying things which

584
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 4: they claims the statement and is true, I know the truth,

585
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,959
Speaker 4: so I can't be offended by something. If it was

586
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 4: something that was true, then yeah, probably it might become

587
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 4: hurtful over time. But it's things that aren't true, and

588
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 4: I know the truth, and people will always claim they

589
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 4: know my family better than me.

590
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: They've never spoken to them.

591
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 4: Half the time, they don't even know their names, So

592
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 4: it's like, how can I listen to you when you

593
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 4: don't know the truth? But I do, and I think

594
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 4: that's why I'm just it just goes over my head

595
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 4: because people are wanting me to react. I know what

596
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 4: I do to most people is disgusting and repulsive and

597
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 4: they could never imagine themselves doing it.

598
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:20,519
Speaker 1: I've accepted that.

599
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 4: I've accepted I'm different for enjoying that, and I'm always

600
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 4: open to people as opinions. So I just don't like

601
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 4: it when people state what they're saying as facts because

602
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 4: I'm the one with these people when I know they're

603
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 4: not disgusting and I know I'm not weird for enjoying

604
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 4: my interactions with them, and it's all opinionator based. But

605
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 4: the facts are that I'm not eighty, i do have

606
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 4: a loving family, and I'm not traumatized. So the rest

607
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 4: of it is just people wanting a reaction, which is

608
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 4: something I'll never give them.

609
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 5: Emotionally, it makes sense that you would develop this exoskeleton,

610
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 5: but also physically, I think the reason that most paeople

611
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 5: are so shocked, horrified insert appropriate response. By what you

612
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 5: do is because most women have a relationship with their bodies.

613
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 5: That is kind of like if we've had vigorous six

614
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 5: with one man for a night, or we've had to

615
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 5: change tampons a lot during a day, we're like, oh,

616
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 5: we're kind of tender and whatever on and fifty seven

617
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 5: men is not even conceivable doing wrong.

618
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Speaker 4: I can have sex with one person it hurts. I'm like, actually,

619
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 4: I want to stop. Same with tampons. You won't see

620
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 4: me put in a tampon and unless I need to,

621
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 4: I'll just put tissue in my pants. Like I completely

622
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 4: get it that you can have sex with one person

623
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 4: and it can hurt, And that still happens for me.

624
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 4: But during the thousand there was so much that went

625
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 4: into that. There was so much adrenaline, so much excitement,

626
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 4: something I'd wanted to do for so long.

627
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: For me, it was kind of like a marathon.

628
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 4: I mean, I joke asay, I went through a lot

629
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 4: of races that day, which I did, but it's not

630
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 4: something I could do every day. I would hurt and

631
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,919
Speaker 4: it would be damaging for my body. But for doing

632
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 4: it for one day, for twelve hours. Yes, it's crazy,

633
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 4: but I know when I've been dating before or had

634
00:34:23,279 --> 00:34:25,519
Speaker 4: a good sex life, sometimes I would have been having

635
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 4: sex with that guy for four or five hours and

636
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 4: not thought anything of it. So, yes, having sex for

637
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 4: twelve hours with those different men is kind of crazy.

638
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 4: But when people go on honeymoons and stuff, sometimes I'm

639
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 4: in the bedroom all day, no enough, having sex. And

640
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 4: really it's not that different to having loads of different sizes.

641
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 5: I think it's pretty different. I think I can only imagine,

642
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 5: but to me, it sounds pretty different. And my visceral

643
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 5: response is that it's very different. But for you, it

644
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 5: doesn't seem to be very different. And I guess I'm

645
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 5: asking how did you come to this point?

646
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 3: Where were you when you had it?

647
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 5: Almost well, where were you when you first had the idea?

648
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 5: And who do you share those ideas with? Was it

649
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 5: your idea or was it someone around a table? Is

650
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 5: it someone who's managing you or collaborating with you?

651
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 4: I so obviously started off doing schoolies three years ago,

652
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 4: and I think it was like thirty something people I

653
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 4: slept with realized how well schoolies went, and then went

654
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 4: and did the American version, which is spring Break and

655
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 4: slept with like one hundred and thirty people in two weeks,

656
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,039
Speaker 4: and during spring break, I actually shared my room number

657
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 4: online on the last night and there was a queue

658
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 4: of nineteen spring breakers and that was when I had

659
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 4: my first gang bank, my first large interaction, and it

660
00:35:50,279 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 4: was actually so much fun. We was laughing. Some of

661
00:35:52,759 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 4: them couldn't get hard, some of them was finishing really quickly,

662
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 4: some of them was just there to encourage their friends.

663
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 4: And I was like, this isn't what I thought a

664
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 4: gang band would be. I still thought, even though I

665
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,479
Speaker 4: was a sex work at the time, that that would

666
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 4: be a bit probably bit intimidating and having nineteen men,

667
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 4: you know, in a room. But I was actually laughing

668
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 4: the whole time and realized, this isn't you know. A

669
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 4: gang mind is what you make it, and it's the

670
00:36:18,759 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 4: same with sex. It's what you make it. It doesn't

671
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 4: have to be hard if you don't want it hard.

672
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 4: It can be very passionate if that's the way you

673
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 4: want it. And that's when I started to change my

674
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 4: opinion on gang bangs and large interactions with people. I

675
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 4: then went in diod freshes in the UK and that

676
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 4: was like one hundred and fifty people, and I was like,

677
00:36:37,799 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 4: at what point do I just admit I want to

678
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 4: sleep with as many people as I want.

679
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: So from spring Break to fresh.

680
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 4: As, my plan was to build a big name for

681
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 4: myself because I wanted to do a thousand and it

682
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 4: was actually a journalist at the time called Joe who

683
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 4: worked for Daily Start at the time, and he kept

684
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 4: I kept doing a lot of interviews with him and

685
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 4: he was like, God, you're sleeping with more and more

686
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 4: people all the time.

687
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 1: Would you ever go for the world record?

688
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 4: I didn't know at this moment in time a world

689
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 4: record was even a thing. I didn't know a woman

690
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 4: had tried to sleep with X amount of people within

691
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 4: twelve hours. Straight after that call, I was searching it.

692
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 4: I was like, what is this record? What is you know,

693
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 4: the most amount of people that has been slept within

694
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 4: a day. So it was back in March twenty twenty

695
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 4: four when the idea originally came around, but it was

696
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 4: not something I could do straight away. It's one thing

697
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 4: saying you're going to do it, it's another thing mentally

698
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 4: being ready for it and also having a thousand people

699
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 4: cure up for you. It's not easy and there's a

700
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 4: lot of logistics that go behind it. So yeah, Throughout

701
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, I continued building a name for myself,

702
00:37:53,799 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 4: continued doing gang bangs, different sizes, sleeping with strangers. So

703
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 4: I was very familiar with what interactions can be like,

704
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 4: what happens, and how to conduct myself, how to give

705
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 4: people a good experience. And at the start of January,

706
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 4: very quick turnaround. To be honest, I said to my team,

707
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 4: I want to go for the world record this month,

708
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 4: and two weeks later I did exactly that. So it

709
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 4: was I say, a quick turnaround. It was from the

710
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 4: you know, I was like, Okay, I want to get

711
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 4: it done this month. But it was in my mind

712
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 4: for a long time and something I'd spoken about anyone

713
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 4: that was around me, friends, family, people I'd worked with.

714
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 4: I'd always say, I want to do this in the future.

715
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 5: When you mention your friends and family, Yeah, Obviously along

716
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 5: the way with the evolution of well from Tea into Bonnie,

717
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 5: you have had to navigate that with your family as well,

718
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 5: your mom and your dad, and you're always at pains

719
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 5: to point out that you had a very happy childhood

720
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 5: and upbringing, not beset by trauma, which a lot of

721
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,519
Speaker 5: people like to win.

722
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 4: Fortunate, but a lot of sex workers do come out

723
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 4: and say I've had a badult bring in, or I've

724
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 4: done this because of trauma or for whatever reasons people

725
00:39:17,279 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 4: do it. But yeah, I've fortunately a lot of time

726
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 4: sex workers, you're just assumed you have daddy issues.

727
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 3: So how were your parents?

728
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 5: I know that they're part of your team now, or

729
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 5: that your mummy is part of your team, how were

730
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 5: your parents initially when you had the conversation with him

731
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 5: about with them about the work that you were doing,

732
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 5: and as it progressively got more and more extreme.

733
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 4: For sure, they first found out by sex tape being

734
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 4: lead to them. I was always going to tell my parents,

735
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 4: but I was still as I mentioned, when I first started,

736
00:39:57,279 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 4: I didn't really know what I was doing. I didn't

737
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 4: know if I was going to enjoy yet. I didn't

738
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 4: know if the it was going to give me freedom,

739
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 4: and I wanted to know what it was going to

740
00:40:07,279 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 4: offer me and if I was going to enjoy it

741
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,479
Speaker 4: before saying to my parents, Hey, this is what I do,

742
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 4: but these are the benefits.

743
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: I enjoy it.

744
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 4: And you know that was taken from me by a

745
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 4: video being leaked and my mom was very shocked. She

746
00:40:20,759 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 4: had always seen me dressed in a suit working in

747
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 4: an office, so then to hear your daughter's a sex worker.

748
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 4: She thought maybe I was having money issues, maybe someone

749
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 4: was telling me to do it.

750
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: But I think that's because very old school thinking.

751
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 4: You know, often with sex work, it was someone telling

752
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 4: you to do it, or it was for quick money.

753
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 4: At the time, I reassured them as much as I can,

754
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 4: as much as I could, sorry, say, look, I'm choosing

755
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 4: to do this. I'm wanting to get freedom in my life.

756
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 4: I wanted to get flexibility. It's actually not what you think.

757
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 4: A lot of the time, I'm just selling photos and

758
00:40:56,279 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 4: videos of myself.

759
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: My mom said, look, I.

760
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 4: Wouldn't choose this for you, but if it's something you

761
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 4: want to do, it's going to make you happy. Were

762
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 4: those shocked, I think, yeah, I think a shot would

763
00:41:07,799 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 4: be the crept word. But it was more because I

764
00:41:11,279 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 4: was classes very innocent. You know, I had always worked

765
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 4: really hard in the office.

766
00:41:16,759 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: Everyone had always had a lot of respect for me.

767
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 4: I worked hard from a young age, had a nice car,

768
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 4: brought a house early.

769
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 3: You were a dancer. Dancers work hard.

770
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I you know, from especially from an outside perspective,

771
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 4: I look like the perfect order, hard working, traveling I

772
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 4: was independent and in good money, well not good money,

773
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 4: but especially compared to my friends that say, just did

774
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 4: an admin job. So yeah, shocks and more just confused,

775
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 4: And I don't blame them. It's you know, being a

776
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 4: adult content creator that makes sexual content is a lot

777
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 4: more normal now and not always understood. But it's a

778
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 4: lot easier to understood because it's so spoken about. But

779
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 4: for my parents that don't really go on social media

780
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 4: and didn't know much about adult content, for sure, they

781
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 4: was a bit confused to start with.

782
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 5: Do you think And I know that your mum has

783
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 5: said this, and that she's spoken about the fact that

784
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 5: you're very happy and that you live our fulfilling life,

785
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 5: and that she has actually gone so far as to

786
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 5: say if most people were offered the money to do this,

787
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 5: they would also do it. Yeah, which is not strictly

788
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 5: the case, because the world is full of beautiful women

789
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 5: who aren't sex workers, who also have money trouble paying

790
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 5: their bills.

791
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can be beautiful and still not earn money.

792
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 4: They as loads of sex workers, I know, but they

793
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 4: just don't know much money because.

794
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: It's not just about sex.

795
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 4: You've got to market yourself, you've got to understand your audience,

796
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 4: you've got to understand social media. So there's a lot

797
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 4: more people that would want to do it. And when

798
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 4: I meet a lot of women, they would love to

799
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 4: do it, but they're too scared of the judgment. They're

800
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 4: too scared of what people think about that. So people

801
00:43:06,799 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 4: want to do it, they're just or not not everyone's

802
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 4: brave enough. And that's completely fine. Like you can't. I've

803
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,519
Speaker 4: always said with this job, I really dislike the sex

804
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 4: workers that do this, happy to take the money and

805
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 4: then they do nothing but complain about it. You can't

806
00:43:23,279 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 4: go into this blame in the industry and blame on

807
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 4: your subscribers, perhaps not in your confidence, because.

808
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: You've got to manage that yourself.

809
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 4: And you can't just be a sex worker and not

810
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 4: clever enough to understand that it's like doing any job

811
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 4: and then complaining I have too much stream.

812
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 5: When you talk about judgment, this is an interesting ideological perspective.

813
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 5: I guess is that do you see judgment as just

814
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 5: purely an external force.

815
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 3: That can have a.

816
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 5: Negative impact on you, or do you also believe that

817
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 5: there's an inherent sense of self worth or dignity or

818
00:44:03,799 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 5: whatever in people.

819
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 4: To me judgment, it's just people's opinions. It's not statements,

820
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 4: it's not fact. It's just what people think about you.

821
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 4: And that's the sort of truth of it is. Everyone's

822
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 4: got different things, they believe, different morals, different things they

823
00:44:18,799 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 4: would or wouldn't do, And I completely respect that, and

824
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 4: I think more people should respect what I choose to

825
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 4: do because I'm not really bothered what other people do.

826
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 4: But there's a lot of people that make it their

827
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 4: whole personality and get so angry by what I do.

828
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 4: But when you break it down, I choose to do this,

829
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 4: I'm happy, and me being happy often is what frustrates

830
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 4: more people because they want to see me upset. They

831
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 4: want to see me saying I'm traumatized, and it's crazy

832
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 4: that they say they care so much, you know about oh,

833
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 4: my god, her well being, she's not okay, she shouldn't

834
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 4: be doing this. But you're also in the same sentence

835
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 4: saying how much you hate me, So you can't really

836
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 4: be that worried about our wellbeing.

837
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 5: But also, you have played your own part in that,

838
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 5: because you have, by your own admission, gone out of

839
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 5: your way to rage baits, particularly women.

840
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: For sure.

841
00:45:15,759 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 4: But the reason it doesn't offend me is because it's

842
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 4: not true. So when I'm saying, oh, look, if you're

843
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 4: a middle aged parent and you're just staying at home

844
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 4: and you're not pleasuring your husband, there reason sometimes they're

845
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 4: getting so frustrated. It's because they look in the miror

846
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 4: they're like, she's describing me. So it's not my fault

847
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 4: if what I'm saying is true to you, Because I

848
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 4: know if I ever saw a video saying oh, if

849
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 4: you're a twenty six year old that's got no motivation

850
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 4: in life and you just sit and complain about it,

851
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 4: wouldn't even stress me out because it has no correlation

852
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 4: to me. There's nothing which is similar to that video

853
00:45:52,759 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 4: to my truth. So these people that get so offended,

854
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 4: it's because it's hitting too close to home.

855
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 5: It depends also, I think on what your perspective of

856
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 5: sexualities as well. Do you believe that sexuality, I mean,

857
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 5: we all know that there's that carnal, animalistic aspect to

858
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:18,039
Speaker 5: sexuality that's probably pure pleasure. Do you believe that there's

859
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 5: a spiritual aspect to sexuality?

860
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: No?

861
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 4: Ah, To me, it's just very simple. If you want

862
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 4: to have sex with someone, you have sex with someone.

863
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 4: If you enjoy your public continue to do it. But

864
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 4: there's not sort of like a bigger picture, bigger image.

865
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: I sort of believe in it.

866
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 3: Wow, oh that's so interesting.

867
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 5: So then if you go back to your first romantic

868
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 5: when you were fourteen, when you first got with the

869
00:46:49,799 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 5: man who later on became your husband, and you first

870
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 5: had that sexual desire for each other and you acted

871
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 5: on that, did you not have feel that you were

872
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 5: communing at some that there was a great intimacy towards

873
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 5: that wasn't just physical.

874
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd say there was a connection, but I wouldn't

875
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 4: be saying like, oh, spiritually were combined and stuff like that.

876
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: I'd say, yeah, we had a connection.

877
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 4: Yes, I fancied him at the time, but in terms

878
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 4: of the whole spiritually and everything else that people like

879
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 4: to talk about is.

880
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: Not really something I believe in.

881
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 4: If you've got a connection with someone, amazing, but I

882
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:33,439
Speaker 4: don't overcomplicate it.

883
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 5: When you got married, did you what vows did you take?

884
00:47:39,759 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 5: Like and was there a consideration at the time.

885
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 4: I think it was just the basic ones. I can't

886
00:47:45,759 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 4: really remember my wedding well, it wasn't really a wedding.

887
00:47:50,279 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 4: It was just a very basic what's the word like

888
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 4: registry office?

889
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like a civil Yeah.

890
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: I mean it's in a nice building.

891
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 3: But and why did you decide to get married?

892
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: Good question.

893
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 4: I At the time, I've been with my partner a

894
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 4: very long time. I you know, couldn't imagine my future

895
00:48:09,799 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 4: without him. But I think looking back, it was more

896
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 4: couldn't imagine my future without him because I've been with

897
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 4: him from major of fourteen, and you know, from majors

898
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 4: to fourteen to sort of twenty one, that's when you

899
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 4: grow a lot as a person. You either start to

900
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 4: become independent and you can't really remember your life. I

901
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 4: can't from like under the age of ten too much,

902
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 4: like the odd memory comes to mind. But I couldn't

903
00:48:32,759 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 4: really remember my life before him. So for me, it

904
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 4: was just Okay, I'm going to be with this person

905
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 4: for the rest of my life. We brought a how

906
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 4: together was relocating to Australia, and naturally, society at that

907
00:48:44,279 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 4: point when you've been with someone so long makes you

908
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 4: think the next step is marriage. And of course I

909
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 4: think I was trying to follow what I thought happiness was.

910
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 4: You know, everyone gets married and it's like, oh wow,

911
00:48:56,799 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 4: that's amazing, you're so happy, And looking back, I don't

912
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 4: think I was that happy, but I was trying to

913
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 4: go through all the emotions that would bring me happiness.

914
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 5: When we talked earlier about people being angry at you, yeah,

915
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 5: do you understand why that is?

916
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 4: For sure, But often it's a lot of lies. I

917
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 4: get a lot of hate for being apparently a predator

918
00:49:22,799 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 4: or a groomer, and a lot of people be like,

919
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 4: oh my god. I mean some people make up and

920
00:49:27,279 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 4: say I see it with sixteen year olds, completely not true,

921
00:49:30,279 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 4: and I actually think it's quite sickening in their head

922
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,959
Speaker 4: that they actually go on places like TikTok and make

923
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 4: up stories which aren't true, just try and pat me

924
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 4: in a bad image. But I see with eighteen year

925
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 4: olds that are consenting, but people really like to pretend

926
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 4: it's a blurred line. And to me, there's a lot

927
00:49:47,759 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 4: of things which people can be confused about. But if

928
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 4: someone has consented to being in a video and they're

929
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 4: above the legal age, it's legal, and the answer is yes,

930
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 4: it's fine. So when people like to make out this confusion,

931
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 4: really it's more confut uson of how viacoms that conclusion.

932
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 5: We'll continue this conversation with Bonnie Blue in just a moment.

933
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 5: This is no filter, you know, because of that barely

934
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 5: legal aspect of your work. For instance, the girls that

935
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 5: have been involved in the Schoolgirl when they all dressed

936
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 5: like schoolgirls. Yeah, if one of those girls was to

937
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 5: come to you and say in subsequent years, that was

938
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 5: really damaging to me. I felt at the time like

939
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 5: I had agency, but in retrospect, I actually think that

940
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 5: was very damaging to my life. Would you feel any

941
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 5: responsibility towards them?

942
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: No?

943
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 4: Do all those girls that was in that video was

944
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 4: above the age of twenty. They dress young and have

945
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 4: made their whole personalities about making themselves either dress as

946
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 4: a schoolgirl, make themselves look younger. I've been selling sex

947
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 4: tape for multiple years beforehand.

948
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: What they was.

949
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 4: Doing was exactly the same thing they've already been doing,

950
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 4: just live, which is why on and off camera I

951
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 4: said to him, let me know if you if it's

952
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 4: anything you feel uncomfortable with, talk to them through exactly

953
00:51:33,799 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 4: what was going to happen in depth. Let them know

954
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 4: multiple times if you don't feel comfortable or you want

955
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 4: to break anything like that, please let me know. So

956
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 4: it might seem like it was an intimidating experience, But

957
00:51:44,279 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 4: for anyone that has ever worked with me, whether they're

958
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 4: dressed up as a schoolgirl or whether they're you know,

959
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 4: fourties of you know, in their fifties, they will only

960
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 4: ever say I would beyond professional and reassuring.

961
00:51:56,799 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 5: My question is more probably about something that you've spoken

962
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 5: about yourself, the changes that a person often enacts in

963
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 5: the course of their life. For instance, when you got married,

964
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 5: you're a very different person now than you were in

965
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 5: consequently have outgrown that marriage. Is that people can make

966
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 5: decisions that are not necessarily always in their best interest.

967
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 3: And what.

968
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 5: Responsibility do you ever feel towards another person. I mean,

969
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 5: it's a societal equation, really, that's how society functions.

970
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:40,039
Speaker 4: They're not my responsibility. My responsibility is on that day.

971
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 4: I mean, if they said to me in any year's time, look,

972
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 4: I'm really struggling. I don't like this video being out there,

973
00:52:45,799 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 4: I would remove the video. Like, yes, these chances it's

974
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 4: still leaked and it's still going to be out there,

975
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 4: but I would do what's within my power to, you know,

976
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 4: make sure they feel good, but they're also not stupid,

977
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 4: and I can't be the person to educate every single

978
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 4: person on the fight. If you do this video with

979
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 4: me today, you might come to regret it in two

980
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 4: years time. You know, you were taught from a very

981
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 4: young age that you could do something today and later

982
00:53:09,799 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 4: regret it, and that could be at any stage in life.

983
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 4: But you can't live your life thinking what if I

984
00:53:14,759 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 4: regret this in the future. You might as well just

985
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 4: stay indoors and not do anything, because you could go

986
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 4: on a night out with your friends and then really

987
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 4: embarrass yourself.

988
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: So you can't live your life thinking of what I

989
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: very regret this.

990
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 4: As long as you go into things, and at the time,

991
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,959
Speaker 4: if that day you feel comfortable with it and you're

992
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 4: confident and you feel good, really you might look back

993
00:53:34,799 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 4: and think that, okay, that wasn't the smartest of moves.

994
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 4: But as long as you feel okay and there's nothing

995
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 4: else I can do. I can't be responsible for everyone,

996
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 4: and I think a lot of people try and put

997
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 4: that responsibility on me. Apparently I'm not a good role model,

998
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 4: or you know, I should be responsible for sex education,

999
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 4: or I shouldn't ever do rough sex in case someone

1000
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 4: else does that to somebody else, you know, another woman,

1001
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 4: and it's not my responsibility. I can talk about what

1002
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 4: I enjoy and the rest is really isn't my problem.

1003
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,439
Speaker 5: You know, when you've said things like you've looked at

1004
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 5: me and who were waiting to fuck you?

1005
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 3: Or whatever?

1006
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you've said you've enjoyed you enjoy seeing the

1007
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 5: wedding rings in the queue.

1008
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. Obviously part of that is, you know, to

1009
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,479
Speaker 4: anger people and prostraight people. But then the other part

1010
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 4: of it is being able to pleasure someone that might

1011
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 4: not be in a happy marriage, or being able to

1012
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 4: give something someone that they might not be getting elsewhere.

1013
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 4: And to me, if they're already sleeping with somebody else,

1014
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 4: they're already doing it. And yes, I don't mind cheating,

1015
00:54:42,799 --> 00:54:46,999
Speaker 4: but the relationship has already broken down, probably way before

1016
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 4: they've gotten my queue.

1017
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 1: So I'll talk about it.

1018
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 4: And yeah, I'll be the one to be blamed if

1019
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 4: the woman was to find out he had sex with me,

1020
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 4: But that blames not on me. It's on the both

1021
00:54:57,799 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 4: of them for not communicating they're not happy again. I

1022
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 4: can't take responsibilities for people marriages breaking down.

1023
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 5: I can't take responsibility for that, But I'm wondering if

1024
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 5: you've had in the interim since your own marriage has

1025
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 5: broken down, if you've had cause to reflect upon that differently.

1026
00:55:17,799 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 1: No, my.

1027
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 4: Marriage, yes it broke down, but it actually broke down

1028
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 4: in a nice way. We just grew apart and no

1029
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 4: longer loved each other. So it's very different to you know,

1030
00:55:29,759 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 4: marriage that has stayed together and then start to cheating

1031
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 4: on one another.

1032
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 5: And I know you say you grew apart, but you're

1033
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 5: because it seems like so many of the decisions that

1034
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 5: you were making you were making together.

1035
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: No, he actually told me don't do school? Is you

1036
00:55:48,759 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: know not?

1037
00:55:49,279 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 4: Because I mean, as soon as I did it, and

1038
00:55:52,279 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 4: he saw the benefit in terms of money, he was like,

1039
00:55:56,279 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 4: one hundred percent do it. But he thought, you know,

1040
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 4: at this point, I'd never dealt with the news. I

1041
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 4: never dealt with backlash, and of course someone close to

1042
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,959
Speaker 4: they want to protect you, so he wasn't sure how

1043
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 4: it'd be perceived. He wasn't sure if I'd mentally be

1044
00:56:12,279 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 4: able to handle it. So the people around me never

1045
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 4: actually encourage what I did. There was completely supportive, but

1046
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 4: people were scared, you know, I might damage a reputation.

1047
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: Instead, I mean, you could say I've got.

1048
00:56:25,799 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 4: Damaged reputation, but it also allowed me to grow and

1049
00:56:29,279 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 4: realize what I enjoyed.

1050
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 5: So are you saying that his mind was changed by

1051
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 5: the money?

1052
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 4: I mean at this point we'd already you know, he

1053
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 4: was living back in the UK. I was in Australia,

1054
00:56:43,279 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 4: so we hadn't officially split, but we wasn't we wasn't

1055
00:56:48,799 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 4: sort of together.

1056
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was more.

1057
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 4: I mean, once you could see I could deal with

1058
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 4: it mentally and physically. He was supported of that anyway.

1059
00:56:57,279 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 4: But yeah, the obviously the money also helped.

1060
00:56:59,640 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 3: You know.

1061
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 5: I ask you this as well, because I've been married

1062
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 5: for over twenty years, right, And it's not when I

1063
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 5: said it's not.

1064
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 3: Easy to be married.

1065
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 5: What I mean is just as life is not easy,

1066
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 5: that there will be times when you are together and

1067
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 5: there are times when things are difficult, and there are

1068
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 5: times when one.

1069
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 3: Of you is here and one of you is there. Yeah,

1070
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 3: and it seems to me.

1071
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,959
Speaker 5: Particularly cruel some of your jobs towards women, And I'm

1072
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 5: struck by why you would be so particularly cruel to women.

1073
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not I always say, it's not actually that

1074
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 4: I hate women. It's more that's where all my hate

1075
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 4: comes from. When I first started this, I never made

1076
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 4: videos saying I want to sleep with your husband, or

1077
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 4: I think women are judgmental, and you know I'm going

1078
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 4: to sleep with your son.

1079
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: Once I started doing.

1080
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 4: Belly Legal content, yes, I had a look at the

1081
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 4: comments and it was majority, like over ninety percent women

1082
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 4: that were just giving me nothing but hate on my appearance.

1083
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: The way I looked, I did say, and I was.

1084
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 4: Disgusting, and I realized, Okay, these women are giving me

1085
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 4: so much hate, but they don't actually know the truth.

1086
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 4: They've just sort of seen one rage bait, you know,

1087
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 4: a video of me saying I'm going to see it

1088
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 4: with the bare illegal, and then made up this whole

1089
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 4: other story in their head. And I very quickly realized,

1090
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Speaker 4: I'm going to make more videos off the back of

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00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 4: this one to show your hate comments. Actually I'm going

1092
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 4: to have the last laugh. But also, women spend a

1093
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 4: lot more time on social media. Yes, you know you

1094
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 4: don't ever have You don't go on a comment section

1095
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 4: and see men arguing about someone's appearance, Oh god, that

1096
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 4: guy looks old, or you know, you just don't see

1097
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 4: which is funny because women are also the first ones

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00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 4: to say, let's support women, let's do this.

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00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: It's the women that give me the hate.

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00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 4: And I understand why you'd look at what I say

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00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 4: about women now and go, obviously you're going to get

1102
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 4: the hate. But really it's the women that started this.

1103
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 4: It's just I finished it. They was the ones that

1104
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 4: was internely judging my appearance, appearance, what I did, saying

1105
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 4: I'm disgusting, I should be ashamed, and a massive long

1106
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 4: list of hate it was given me. And I was like, actually,

1107
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 4: I'm I'm going to run with this hate, and I

1108
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,919
Speaker 4: continued to do so, and what I say can come

1109
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 4: across harsh, but it is true. I do sleep with husbands,

1110
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 4: and I just market it well as well. The husbands

1111
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,919
Speaker 4: honestly don't really see them tiktoks and say, oh my god, yep,

1112
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 4: I'm going to go to.

1113
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: It because she's just said something bad about my wife.

1114
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 5: Well, also that's a there's also this sacrecy with me

1115
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 5: about their aspect of their sexuality, and that's of course

1116
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 5: what what is very hurtful and confronting to women as well.

1117
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:55,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, so with the like with the women, it's not

1119
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 4: that I hate them my you know, women are brilliant.

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01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 4: But it's also the women that sit there and get

1121
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 4: so wound up, the ones that are the first person

1122
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 4: to hate women, bitch a lot. We like to pretend

1123
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 4: women are nothing, but this amazing and massive list were

1124
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 4: saying a lot of the time that is true. Also,

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01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 4: women are the most picty, judgmental people you'll come across.

1126
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 4: I've never you know, I've got a lot of male friends. If, however,

1127
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 4: they've gone to the pub or bid in group chats

1128
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 4: with them, You'll never see them screenshotting someone in someone's

1129
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 4: Instagram post and comments on their outfit, what they're wearing,

1130
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:35,999
Speaker 4: and what they're doing.

1131
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: They don't care.

1132
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 4: They've got better things to be doing. But the same

1133
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 4: women that say they support women, it's the same ones

1134
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 4: that will drag you down behind your back. And the

1135
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 4: difference is, I'm very vocal and I don't do my

1136
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 4: things beyond my back. I'm not sleeping with anyone's husband

1137
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 4: behind the back. I'm actually telling you I'm doing it.

1138
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 4: So yeah, you could say it looks like I hate women,

1139
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 4: but actually I'm just very truthful in doing what other

1140
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 4: women do. But it's just usually behind someone else's back.

1141
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 5: Who are the women in your life. So you've got

1142
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 5: your sister and your mum. Who are your friends, who's

1143
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 5: your posse?

1144
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 4: So I've got a small friendship group, and I've always

1145
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 4: kind of had the same friendship group, never been bothered

1146
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 4: about having a massive group of friends because I've always

1147
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 4: found it quite pitchy. And sometimes the more people that

1148
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 4: are in your circle, the more this seems to be

1149
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 4: arguments and I just can't I can't be bothered with that,

1150
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 4: to be honest, And I never have cared to go

1151
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 4: out my way to comment on someone's appearance or how

1152
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 4: many friends they've got, how many followers they've got, and.

1153
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: I just find it petty.

1154
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 4: But a lot of girls, that is their personality and

1155
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 4: that is, you.

1156
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: Know, the only things they can speak about.

1157
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 4: So I've always had a small friendship group of girls,

1158
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 4: but naturally got along with men a lot better because

1159
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 4: I'm very outdoorsy. My interests are camping, fishing, surfing, anything

1160
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 4: that involves water.

1161
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:00,439
Speaker 1: Role.

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Speaker 5: The reason that I asked, though, is because you've had

1163
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 5: this trajictory now where you have gone. You've become famous,

1164
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 5: and you know there's often a tendency for the world

1165
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 5: of the famous person to then become encapsulated by people

1166
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 5: who are standing sentry for them and they're on the payroll.

1167
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 5: So now your family is on the payroll. Who are

1168
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 5: the people in your life that are not on the payroll?

1169
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 5: And I asked that not in the sense of judging

1170
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 5: you for that, because there's generosity inherent in that that

1171
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 5: I recognize. But then who are the people that will

1172
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 5: speak truth to the power of your enormous earning capacity.

1173
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 4: So I've got a group of friends I'm not going

1174
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 4: to name, just because you know, often I could say

1175
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 4: one thing and the next month the press outside the

1176
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 4: house knocking on their door. But I do have a

1177
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,959
Speaker 4: group of friends. They're not on the payroll. But even

1178
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 4: if going back to my family, like they're on the

1179
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 4: pay well, not to force them to say the proud

1180
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 4: of me, but anyone that loves their family and has

1181
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 4: come from a good family, if they start earning good money,

1182
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 4: why on earth would you send your family to work

1183
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:19,919
Speaker 4: when you could, you know, help them out. So it's

1184
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 4: often perceived as, oh, my family and need support me

1185
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 4: because I pay them. No, I pay them because I

1186
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 4: love them and I've had a good, good relationship with them,

1187
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 4: and I continue to do so, and why could you

1188
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 4: ever look at someone that is, you know, working really hard,

1189
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 4: full time job.

1190
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: And giving their time to someone else.

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01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 4: I want to help them out, and like often I'm

1192
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 4: not saying you're risting it, but it gets twisted like, oh,

1193
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 4: the people around you the only care because they're on

1194
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 4: the payroll. A lot of the people I am with

1195
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:50,999
Speaker 4: all the time. A lot of people i'm with now

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01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,439
Speaker 4: aren't on the payroll. It's you know, do I help

1197
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:54,959
Speaker 4: people out?

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01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 3: Yes?

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01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 4: Because shockingly I'm actually a nice person and I, you know,

1200
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 4: will do anything for anyone that's supportive and nice, and

1201
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 4: I'm in a position where I can.

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01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 5: I don't mean that that's not nice, But what I

1203
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 5: mean is, as you know from your mother's own mouth,

1204
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 5: that money has a power to transform the way that

1205
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 5: you feel about things. So if do you know what

1206
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 5: I mean, so that perhaps their parental concerns might be

1207
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 5: compromised by the money, not that you're doing it to

1208
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 5: control what they I.

1209
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 4: Think money, as much as we'd like to say, it

1210
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 4: doesn't buy happiness, it does. It's given me freedom, flexibility,

1211
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 4: and it's given me time. It's allowing them to change

1212
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 4: their opinion on it because I'm not stuck in an

1213
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 4: office all day every day complaining about it. So the money,

1214
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 4: I have traveled the world this year. I have gone

1215
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 4: to more countries than I could have even imagined. So

1216
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 4: the money is something that's allowed me to do a

1217
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 4: life I've always wanted to do. So yeah, it has

1218
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 4: helped them change their opinion. And because they see online

1219
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 4: I get hate, I get death threats.

1220
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,039
Speaker 1: I have secure with.

1221
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 4: Me now And if I was doing that whilst sat,

1222
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 4: you know, just in my bedroom twelve hours day, all

1223
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 4: day every day, they were like, look it, it's not

1224
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 4: worth it. It's not adding not because you know, you're

1225
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 4: giving so much of your time and your body to

1226
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 4: receive death threats and hate and you're not being able

1227
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 4: to travel and experience the world.

1228
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:24,999
Speaker 1: But that's not the case.

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01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 4: And they also see how I deal with the hate

1230
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 4: mentally don't care, so they are able to see actually

1231
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:34,439
Speaker 4: this might be.

1232
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 3: But you don't care.

1233
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 5: But it seems, as we discussed earlier, it seems like

1234
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 5: you're wired differently.

1235
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,439
Speaker 4: I think it's because I lived the life the reason why.

1236
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 4: And I'm sure even perhaps yourself look at it and it'say,

1237
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 4: how is she not affected?

1238
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: How is she not bothered by the hatred.

1239
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 4: But I live this life like I've woken up today

1240
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 4: in Balley, beautiful Villa.

1241
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: I've got some friendsis, some people I work with.

1242
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 4: There's about eight straight dogs I've been feeling in the garden,

1243
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 4: and I just think my life is so beautiful. So

1244
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 4: because I'm the one living it, it's very easy for

1245
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 4: me to understand how I deal with the hate. And

1246
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 4: if more people could be a fly on the wall

1247
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 4: of what I actually get up get up to day

1248
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 4: to day, I think their opinion would change quite quickly.

1249
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm not on the.

1250
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 4: Streets begging for barely legals and.

1251
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 1: Husbands all the time.

1252
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 4: And often when I'm making these rage baked tiktoks, sometimes

1253
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 4: I have to stop in between because I'm laughing, or

1254
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 4: we say something and we actually laugh at the video

1255
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 4: because we know it's going to frustraight people. Twelve hours later,

1256
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 4: it's on the front page of the news and everyone's

1257
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 4: so angry, and I've actually just made that video in

1258
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 4: a five star hotel with my friends around me, and

1259
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 4: we've actually just had a laugh.

1260
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 3: Why do you do it.

1261
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 4: For views to be able to continue to grow, I

1262
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 4: would never have been able to achieve sleeping with a

1263
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 4: thousand people if it wasn't for the women. The women

1264
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 4: are not my target audience, but they are the ones

1265
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 4: that will reshare my tiktoks, the ones that will build

1266
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 4: the comment sections, the ones that show how fustrated they are,

1267
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 4: which escalates the press, and within that it's been able

1268
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 4: to allow me to build a bigger name for myself

1269
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 4: and sleep with more men. You know, if you're chatting

1270
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 4: about me in your house, your husband's going to gradually

1271
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 4: start over here and then he's going to go out

1272
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 4: his way to search me, whether that's in the bedroom

1273
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 4: with box of tissues or whether it's just social media.

1274
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: Are in the news.

1275
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 4: Not everything I do is rage bait. There's a lot

1276
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 4: I do that's not, but it's very quick for me.

1277
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 4: It's very quick marketing. And also it's having like the

1278
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 4: last laugh. You know, even though I'm not offended by

1279
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 4: the hate comments, I'll see a hate comment. I think

1280
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 4: I'm just going to do you over on this one.

1281
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 5: You know, outside of your work, which you're obviously very

1282
01:07:56,360 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 5: immersed in that at the moment, how do you see

1283
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 5: your life beyond? Is there a life beyond or is

1284
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 5: this something that you will continue to do.

1285
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 4: I think there's always going to be some part of

1286
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 4: Bondy Blue which stays forever. At the moment, there's definitely

1287
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 4: no end day. I'm not working towards a five year plan.

1288
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 4: I know, like a lot of sex workers will do

1289
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 4: sort of five years or even a couple of years

1290
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 4: and then leave the industry.

1291
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: For me, because I've.

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01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 4: Been able to implement it so well into my life

1293
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,440
Speaker 4: and being able to live a life alongside this, I

1294
01:08:30,480 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 4: don't ever see it as I need a break, or

1295
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:34,440
Speaker 4: I need to book in someone your leave, or I

1296
01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 4: need to think of retiring. I might not always do

1297
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 4: crazy stunts, but especially for the next few years, I've

1298
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 4: got nothing but bigger and bigger plans. But if I

1299
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:47,520
Speaker 4: ever wake up one day and change your mind, I'm like,

1300
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 4: I'm not enjoying it.

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01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,600
Speaker 1: I will just stop. There's no pressure from anyone.

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01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 4: I've got enough money to retire, so at the moment,

1303
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 4: it's just focused on am I remaining happy.

1304
01:08:58,000 --> 01:08:59,480
Speaker 1: If so, I'll continue to do it.

1305
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 5: I meant more personal in terms of your personal do

1306
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 5: you you feel the need or a desire to have

1307
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 5: a relationship and a romantic relationship.

1308
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 4: Not at the moment, but in the future, Yes, I

1309
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 4: cand of imagine myself settling down. It's just not a

1310
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 4: priority at this moment in time. And I used to

1311
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 4: think to be happy, to be fully happy, you need

1312
01:09:23,440 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 4: to be with a partner, and you need to have

1313
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,440
Speaker 4: a boyfriend. For anyone that's been in a long term

1314
01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 4: relationship or gone through a break on, you realize just

1315
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:35,440
Speaker 4: because you're in a relationship doesn't always mean you've got happiness.

1316
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 4: Often the married ones are looking at the single ones

1317
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,440
Speaker 4: thinking I'm a little bit jealous, And then the single

1318
01:09:40,440 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 4: ones are looking at the married ones and you know

1319
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 4: also feel like I wish I had that. So being

1320
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 4: in a relationship at this moment in time wouldn't bring

1321
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:50,480
Speaker 4: me any extra happiness.

1322
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 1: My heart is already completely full.

1323
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 5: Was it an interesting moment for you when your husband

1324
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 5: started going out with your former publicist, Like, how was

1325
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 5: that within the team more within you personally or did

1326
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 5: that not a thing?

1327
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: No, jenery, just not bothered.

1328
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 4: Like always said to my partner, I would love you

1329
01:10:14,440 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 4: to move on and be happy. And I think anyone

1330
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 4: that's split up from a previous partner, when you've been

1331
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 4: with him so long, you actually just want them to

1332
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 4: be happy. And I think because I moved on mentally

1333
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,560
Speaker 4: such a long time ago and start focusing on myself

1334
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:31,560
Speaker 4: and making myself happy, I just wanted my partner to

1335
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 4: do the same. So it's lovely that he's been able

1336
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:34,440
Speaker 4: to do that.

1337
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 5: But do you not feel the absence of the person

1338
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 5: that's known you the longest since you were fourteen? Do

1339
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 5: you not feel the absence of him in your circle?

1340
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 5: Or is it did it feel like a natural trajectory?

1341
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 2: No?

1342
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,520
Speaker 4: For me, there's people around me now that know me

1343
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 4: more than he will have ever known me when you're fourteen.

1344
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 4: To me, I was so young, I wasn't not that

1345
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 4: I wasn't a person. I very clearly was, But you're

1346
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,440
Speaker 4: very much probably my mom and dad's personality mixed into one,

1347
01:11:07,480 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 4: and you're just you know, I wasn't.

1348
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: Hard to explain. When you're fourteen, you're not.

1349
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 4: A you know, a form and growth person of personality

1350
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 4: and knowing all your interests and hobbies and what you

1351
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 4: want to do in life. So just because you knew

1352
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 4: me at fourteen doesn't mean you actually know me. So

1353
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:27,520
Speaker 4: I don't feel like i'm missing having that person around

1354
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 4: I've never.

1355
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 3: But he's been with you until last year or.

1356
01:11:33,480 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty three he left Australia and that was the

1357
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 4: start of the year. So yeah, I mean, I've never

1358
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 4: been happier. You know, most happiness I've ever had, the

1359
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,560
Speaker 4: most memories I've ever made, is made over the last

1360
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 4: three years.

1361
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,560
Speaker 3: Do you consider yourself feminist?

1362
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,680
Speaker 4: I never liked this question because if I say yes,

1363
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 4: You've got all the women crying at me telling me

1364
01:11:55,960 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 4: I'm not. But to me, I don't look too much

1365
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,560
Speaker 4: into labeling myself or putting myself in a certain box

1366
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 4: because saying you're a feminist now you've either got to

1367
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,600
Speaker 4: be an extreme feminist or you can't be one all.

1368
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 4: Apparently the people that you know talk about it, they're

1369
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,520
Speaker 4: so protective about anyone else to saying they're a feminist.

1370
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 4: But I believe that women are equal. They should be

1371
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 4: able to do what they want. They're in control of

1372
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 4: their bodies, and I'm very grateful that there's many women

1373
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 4: that have fought allow me to do what I do

1374
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 4: now because I'm not being controlled by anyone. I'm very

1375
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 4: independent and yeah, I am grateful, so for that, I'd

1376
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:40,680
Speaker 4: fall in the feminist category. But it seems to frustrate

1377
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 4: people a lot that I you know, say I fall

1378
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 4: into that section.

1379
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 5: What do you if you had to describe your worth

1380
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 5: or your contribution hard because I didn't do this outside

1381
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,560
Speaker 5: of your sexual work, what would it?

1382
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 3: What hell would you describe?

1383
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 4: I mean, it's always hard to describe. I guess you're

1384
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 4: worth But for me, I don't know. I guess it's

1385
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 4: hard to work, but hard to work. But there's no

1386
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,600
Speaker 4: one that's in my close circle that wouldn't say I'm

1387
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 4: not worthy of their time. Or I'm actually a really

1388
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 4: nice person to have around, very generous, very thoughtful.

1389
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 1: So I'm not.

1390
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 4: Sectioned as just a sex worker. I'm not just the

1391
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 4: one that has sex with someone and that's it. I

1392
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 4: have a whole personality aside from that.

1393
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 5: You know, because you've made such a name for yourself,

1394
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,640
Speaker 5: for instance, with A thousand or the Bering people or whatever,

1395
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 5: do you feel pressure to constantly escalate what you're doing

1396
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 5: to keep generating that interest.

1397
01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:46,560
Speaker 1: No.

1398
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 4: I find it amazing that I have such open space

1399
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 4: to be creative, to think of no ideas, to do

1400
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:57,480
Speaker 4: things I want to do. No, it's not going to

1401
01:13:57,480 --> 01:14:01,560
Speaker 4: stop at A thousand, but it doesn't mean I'm going

1402
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 4: to go and do another thousand anytime soon. But I

1403
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 4: love being in control of my body, doing what I

1404
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 4: enjoy and being creative with it. Like I said, if

1405
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 4: I go back to my first game bang you ever did,

1406
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 4: it was really fun, it was interactive. It wasn't what

1407
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 4: I thought, And I want to be able to continue

1408
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 4: having sex. It's not always going to be about numbers

1409
01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 4: or you only get forty seconds. It's about actually just

1410
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 4: having fun, and it's going to always be kept as

1411
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 4: simple as that. Things can very easily get overly complicated,

1412
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,440
Speaker 4: and I want to strip it back and have fun

1413
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 4: and just sort of celebrate life, sex and having pleasure.

1414
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 5: There must be aspects and moments where it's not fun

1415
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,600
Speaker 5: and where you're like, oh, this is not right.

1416
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 4: I've never thought in my head this is not right.

1417
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:53,680
Speaker 4: These definitely times I get frustrated, I'm singled out. I'm

1418
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 4: treated differently, not just from you know, either people or

1419
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:02,560
Speaker 4: content creators, but from different platforms and what I get told,

1420
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 4: you know, everyone's treated the same.

1421
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm you know, treated differently.

1422
01:15:08,440 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 4: That part, I guess one is actually not right, but

1423
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 4: never in terms of the sex. It's more just the

1424
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 4: fact I get treated differently across platforms and even from

1425
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 4: the government occasionally. So yeah, it's that's frustrating, But the

1426
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:26,640
Speaker 4: actual sex side of it, it's never crossed my mind

1427
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 4: that this is this isn't right, or this isn't fun.

1428
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 5: As a result of the controversies. Yeah, and the stance,

1429
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 5: do you feel fulfilled?

1430
01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I honestly have never been happier, never felt more

1431
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:48,560
Speaker 4: fulfilled in my life. And that's half from the job

1432
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 4: and being able to do what I do, and the

1433
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 4: other half from what it provides me with being able

1434
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:55,640
Speaker 4: to travel and make new memories. But my life, like

1435
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 4: I said, I'm already living my dream and that actually

1436
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 4: angers more people they want me to more people would

1437
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 4: like me if I sat here and cried right now

1438
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 4: said actually I don't enjoy it, it's too much. I

1439
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 4: regret doing this, but never ever been happier in my life,

1440
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 4: and I'm nothing but grateful, And I think that helps

1441
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,480
Speaker 4: me never get angered and frustrated by the hate comments

1442
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 4: or the backlash I received, because everyone that gets to

1443
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:24,520
Speaker 4: wake up peach day and experience my life.

1444
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:26,440
Speaker 3: Will you say that you're living a dream?

1445
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 5: And some people that to like me, and that is

1446
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 5: the that is the.

1447
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 4: Due quickly to say I live a nightmare, But if

1448
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 4: you was to look at their life, I know not

1449
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 4: everyone wants to travel and make you crazy new memories.

1450
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 4: Some people are actually really like their routine, and that's fine,

1451
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 4: But a lot of them people that do say I

1452
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:50,640
Speaker 4: live a nightmare. If I listed the countries I'd traveled to,

1453
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 4: if I had listed the memories I've made and the

1454
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 4: things I've been able to experience, they'd look at it differently.

1455
01:16:56,480 --> 01:16:59,520
Speaker 4: But the only look at my life is the girl

1456
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 4: that sat with a thousand people, the girl that has

1457
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 4: sex with strangers. And that's fine, but you're very small

1458
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 4: minded to not look at the bigger picture. And not

1459
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 4: everyone would enjoy the sex I have. But I'm confident

1460
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 4: enough to be able to say to a guy, actually,

1461
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 4: can you go a bit slower, a bit faster, can you,

1462
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 4: you know, move a little bit to the left. And

1463
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 4: because of that, I enjoy sex a lot more and

1464
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 4: I make a lot more memories.

1465
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 1: So they're quickly to say i'd have a nightmare.

1466
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:28,440
Speaker 4: But if you actually put a fly on their wall

1467
01:17:28,440 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 4: compared to my wall and put it up as a show,

1468
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 4: I think you'd be quite quickly jumping into my room.

1469
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 5: So when you prejict forward five or ten years time.

1470
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 5: What does that life? What does Is it Bonnie Blues

1471
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 5: life or is it Tears life?

1472
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 3: What does that look like?

1473
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 4: Firstly, Bonnie Blue and Tier have really sort of merged

1474
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 4: into one. I don't really see like a difference. You know,

1475
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 4: I'm just happy in my life. Some people call me Bonnie,

1476
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:00,520
Speaker 4: some people call me Tier, and I don't see a

1477
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 4: massive difference. But in terms of the future, no idea. Genuinely,

1478
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 4: I've always had a plan, especially when I was younger.

1479
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 4: It was very boring. I thought it was good. I'm like,

1480
01:18:13,480 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 4: by this age, I want to get engaged. I want

1481
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:17,640
Speaker 4: to save up for a kitchen extension. I want to

1482
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:19,640
Speaker 4: get it done by this date. Then I want to

1483
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 4: You know, you could have said to me what you

1484
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 4: do on Tuesday, four years time from now. I could

1485
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:28,600
Speaker 4: have probably told you exactly where I was now. I

1486
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:30,560
Speaker 4: don't even know where I'm going to be next week.

1487
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,600
Speaker 4: And I really like that because I like the unknown.

1488
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,560
Speaker 4: I like just being able to experience new things and

1489
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 4: it's not so planned.

1490
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 5: But you know, you have kind of a broad shape

1491
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:47,560
Speaker 5: for yourself. Do you feel like I'm maternal calling? Do

1492
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 5: you see children in your future. You really love your dogs.

1493
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 5: I often think that that's an indicator of how people

1494
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 5: would be with babies.

1495
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, not in a wish to have children, yet I

1496
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:01,600
Speaker 4: think I will in the future. At the moment, I

1497
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 4: keep thinking about having a farm, some cows. I'm obsessed with,

1498
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 4: fainting goats, rabbits, like the idea of having loads of

1499
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 4: animals somewhere by a beach. But yeah, long term, lots

1500
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:19,680
Speaker 4: of animals, probably children, and I can imagine myself setting down.

1501
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 3: Thanks Bonnie Blue, Thanks Tia, thank you well.

1502
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 5: When we began this episode, we told you that we

1503
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 5: wanted to understand three things, what Bonnie Blue is doing,

1504
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:40,520
Speaker 5: why she's doing it, and what it means for the

1505
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,440
Speaker 5: rest of us, And in some ways we got answers.

1506
01:19:44,440 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 5: Bonnie was clear about the fact that she rage baits

1507
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:51,520
Speaker 5: women on purpose. She knows that women's fury spreads.

1508
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,480
Speaker 3: Faster than anything else online.

1509
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 5: She knows that outrage is her most powerful marketing tool,

1510
01:19:57,480 --> 01:20:00,200
Speaker 5: and she's willing to use that to her advantage. But

1511
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 5: beyond that, many of the questions we asked were met

1512
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:09,600
Speaker 5: with detachment, compartmentalization, or a refusal to engage on the

1513
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 5: level that we hoped for which is not really surprising.

1514
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 5: We wanted to know whether she understands the implications of

1515
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 5: what she does, not just for women and girls, but

1516
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 5: for men and for the culture that's around sex, consent, entitlement.

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Speaker 3: And power.

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Speaker 5: We wanted to know whether she recognizes the misogynistic language

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Speaker 5: she uses about women, whether she sees any broader harm, and.

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Speaker 3: Whether she cares.

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Speaker 5: And after speaking with her, it's clear Bonnie Blue is

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Speaker 5: aware of the strategy or she invented the strategy. She's

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Speaker 5: aware of the attention, she's aware of the outrage. But

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Speaker 5: awareness is not the same as accountability, and strategy is

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Speaker 5: not the same as reflection. We didn't come away from

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Speaker 5: this interview with the sense that Bonnie is interested in

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Speaker 5: interrogating her impact. What we did come away with was

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Speaker 5: confirmed that her model works because we women respond loudly

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Speaker 5: and viscerally to what she does, and the anger she

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Speaker 5: provokes is not incidental.

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Speaker 3: It is the point.

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Speaker 5: There's no single conclusion to draw here, or a neat moral.

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Speaker 3: In fact, there's an absence of morals.

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Speaker 5: But perhaps the most important thing to take from this

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Speaker 5: conversation is this, when someone builds a platform on women's rage,

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Speaker 5: the question is not just who they are. It's what

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Speaker 5: we choose to do with the feelings they provoke and

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Speaker 5: what it makes us ask about the culture that we

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Speaker 5: are living in. I'm Kate lane Brook and this is

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Speaker 5: No Filter. The executive producer of No Filter is Naima Brown,

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Speaker 5: the senior producer.

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Speaker 3: Is Breed Player.

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Speaker 5: Audio production is by Jacob Brown and video editing is

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Speaker 5: by Josh Green. This episode was recorded at Session in

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Speaker 5: Progress Studios and I'm your host, Kate Langbrook. I thank

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Speaker 5: you so much for listening. Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional

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Speaker 5: owners of the land and waters that this podcast is

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