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Speaker 3: Incredibly hard for.

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Speaker 2: A year. The Baby Bubble with Claire and Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely not a parenting advice podcast, Jesse. People get

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Speaker 2: so excited about their babies learning new skills, right, It's

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Speaker 2: like one of the exciting things. Anyone who's had a

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Speaker 2: little baby will know that your child goes grizzly for

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Speaker 2: a few days or a few weeks. They're not sleeping,

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Speaker 2: they're stuffing around with their eating, they're crying for no reason,

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Speaker 2: they're being clinging, and it's because they're getting a software upgrade. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's like the iOS. You know, when your thing comes

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Speaker 2: up and you click it and you're like, and then

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Speaker 2: it's freezers. Your phone's a little shit for a moment,

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Speaker 2: for an hour. Yeah, but then next thing, you know,

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Speaker 2: all your apps work better exactly, and you are wondering

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Speaker 2: don't know. Will they suddenly be able to do long division?

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Speaker 2: Have they turned into a vacuum? Yes, I've been waiting

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Speaker 2: for example, I keep thinking, oh, I think Luna's an

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Speaker 2: upgrade mode. And the next step we've talked about it,

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Speaker 2: and I'm sure it will come up this season, is

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Speaker 2: will the girl walk because she's she's not not behind,

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Speaker 2: she's due a walk, and so that's the next thing.

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Speaker 2: But then what happens is she gets the software up

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Speaker 2: grade upgrade in a strange direction, and then what we've

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Speaker 2: returned to raspberries is actually a four month grade. And

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Speaker 2: now she can because of the shape of her mouth

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Speaker 2: and it's very ha hah ah. Yes, well, Matilda got

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Speaker 2: a system upgrade. Okay, okay, she learnt to clap, So

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Speaker 2: a mouth. Yes, yes, but Jesse, we have a system malfunction.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, because we have a bug. We have a bug. Okay,

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Speaker 2: because she's waking up in the middle of the night

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Speaker 2: I think Matilda's like, I've got to do a thousand

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Speaker 2: not actually relevant to context. Language and context is really important, Jesse.

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Speaker 2: winning journalist and host of the ABC News podcast if

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Speaker 2: You're Listening. But more importantly, he's a parent who has

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Speaker 2: weighed up the question that plagues most first time parents,

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Speaker 1: And so it was I guess, yeah, a panic attack.

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Speaker 2: Our parents can't seem to remember a whole lot about

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Speaker 1: The thing that devastates me sometimes is I'll see photos

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Speaker 1: I can remember Charlie, and I can remember what it

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Speaker 1: was like with the twins in twenty twenty, raising twins

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Speaker 2: So you've got these beautiful, magical gift of these two

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Speaker 3: What did you say to quite enoughternoon? Is it, daddy?

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Speaker 1: My wife was basically she was in labor for three weeks.

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Speaker 2: Jesse, It's time for our dilemma. Hi, ladies. My sixteen

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Speaker 2: well we introduce toothbrushing at two weeks old. No, that's

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Speaker 2: I'm sure she's really conscious. Get that they care, like

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Speaker 2: when they've got food on their face, Yeah yeah, they

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Speaker 2: yeah's messy. They're the ones tidying themselves up exactly. And

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Speaker 2: then I went, all the printing and stuff might be

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Speaker 2: too much work. So let's go simpler. Oh, let's go

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Speaker 2: solve the problem today so that we never have to

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Speaker 2: think about the problem again. So what could we do?

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Speaker 2: Your sixteen month old won't brush their teeth, extract all

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Speaker 2: the teeth, knock them out. No, no, And we've said

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Speaker 2: this before, Path of least resistance. Your child has told

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Speaker 2: you they're not gonna brush it in ever, right, everver, tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: not in a year, not at sixteen years old. Your

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Speaker 2: child doesn't brush her teeth. There's one thing we know

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Speaker 2: about children. They are they are doing yes today is

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Speaker 2: what they will do always. Yes, They are like sitting strain.

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Speaker 2: Let's go hear me out verniers. Oh wow, baby veneers,

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Speaker 2: false teeth, Stick them in, big white TV host. I'm

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Speaker 2: not an expert in veneers, but they're not real teeth,

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Speaker 2: which means you don't go to brush them. Oh flossom.

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Speaker 2: So your sixteen month old can eat her peanut butter,

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Speaker 2: she can have a yogurt pouch, her sugar, her fruit,

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Speaker 2: her bread, her meat, whatever, doesn't matter. They're not real teeth.

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Speaker 2: Bath having rocks in your mouth. And I read an

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Speaker 2: article once, maybe on ABC or something about countries that

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Speaker 2: douveners cheap. Oh yeah, like turkey. Yes, so I'm thinking teeth.

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Speaker 2: Baby's got turkey teeth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I'm thinking go overseas on a little holiday, get

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Speaker 2: your baby the veneers, and don't be silly, don't just go.

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Speaker 2: I'll have that one point to you go. I'll get

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Speaker 2: them a little smaller because her face just to fit

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Speaker 2: her face, probably, I would say three quarters aside for

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Speaker 2: an adult venier, stick him in except for life. What

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Speaker 2: happens when they lose their baby teeth? Well, they can't

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Speaker 2: because they've got Vaniers stuck over the top. What happens

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Speaker 2: when the adult teeth start coming down. You can never

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Speaker 2: have adult teeth come down if you never lost your

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Speaker 2: baby teeth because your veniers cover them. Everyone knows that, okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: Or put in hollow the ears so that when their

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Speaker 2: actual teeth come through, they can kind of go into

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Speaker 2: the abyss. So it's like covering, covering no one, No

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Speaker 2: one ever has to see your baby's real teeth because

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Speaker 2: they're gonna shit because don't brush teeth. Okay, they're rotting. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how I'll top that advice, but I'll try.

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Speaker 2: I mean, firstly, I thought, put something yummy on the toothbrush,

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Speaker 2: for example, chocolate. Brush their teeth with chocolate. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: a good idea. It's not rocket science. Yeah, they don't

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Speaker 2: want the toothbrush in their mouth because they're like, why

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Speaker 2: would I put something in my mouth that I can't

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Speaker 2: eat or brush it with like cloak? Yes, or for example,

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Speaker 2: Matilda loves her little Sophie giraffe, just brush it with Sophie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, you know right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Who doesn't have bristles? Who says you need bristles?

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Speaker 2: Who says that anonymous dentist on all the ads? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well who won't identify himself. Let's just say that. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So brush the teeth with coke. Yeah, that's just one strategy.

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Speaker 2: But obviously i'm being helpful here, so I'm gonna offer

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Speaker 2: a few different strategies. Secondly, don't let her have the toothbrush.

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Speaker 2: The toothbrush is special. Guard it with your life. Only

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Speaker 2: adults can have the toothbrush, not silly little babies. Okay, oh,

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Speaker 2: now she wants it. I don't know he's sixteen month

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Speaker 2: old to understand that level of complexity. Oh sorry, sorry.

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Speaker 2: A six month old can yet for nars, but they

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Speaker 2: can't understand the things that they can't touch half value.

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Speaker 2: See I have an older baby. They're like, I've got

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Speaker 2: a little bit more expertise in this, and you don't

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Speaker 2: understand how to reason with a sixteen month old. But whatever, continue. Okay,

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Speaker 2: well I've got other Okay, take her to the dentist

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Speaker 2: so the dentist can give her a stern talking to

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Speaker 2: in the chair, lay her down. The dentist gets that

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Speaker 2: crazy light on with the glasses and the mir suction

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Speaker 2: and the suction, and the dentist says, you need to

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Speaker 2: be brushing your teeth, little one, and walking to Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you need to be brushing your teeth or I'll be

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Speaker 2: pulling them out, you know. Yeah, threats and babies like

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Speaker 2: oh shit, chit schhit. Oh that was really helpful. I

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Speaker 2: think we landed on veniers there. We hope you enjoyed

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Speaker 2: this episode of the Baby Bubble and didn't find anything

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Speaker 2: remotely helpful. Well, you're poking around in the description, you've

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Speaker 2: got a couple of minutes. Maybe you're ignoring your baby.

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Speaker 2: Baby Bubble is produced by Taylor Strano with audio production

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Speaker 2: Bye Take and Saddler. We will see you next week.

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