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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sees the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 2: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 2: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but

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Speaker 2: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than

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Speaker 2: one way. So this is the platform to hear and

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Speaker 2: explore the stories of those who found lives.

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Speaker 3: They adore the good, bad and ugly.

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Speaker 2: The best and worst day will bear all the facets

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Speaker 2: of seizing your yea. I'm Sarah Davidson or a spoonful

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Speaker 2: of Sarah, a lawyer turned fu entrepreneur who's walk the

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Speaker 2: suits and heels to co found matcha Maiden and matcha

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Speaker 2: milk Bark Czya is a series of conversations on finding

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Speaker 2: a life you love and exploring the self doubt, challenge,

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Speaker 2: joy and filment along the way. Sometimes our guests are

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Speaker 2: our guests are renowned public figures with extensively covered careers,

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Speaker 2: and other times their achievements are a bit quieter, although

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Speaker 2: is all of those things at once, with his insatiable

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Sarah, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: No, No, truthfully, I'll tell you something. I don't normally

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Speaker 2: The media is an industry where firstly it's unique in

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Speaker 1: It is a failure is an option. Quitting is not right.

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Speaker 2: journey towards a fulfilling life, particularly in something like the

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00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,720
Speaker 2: media where you are putting yourself out there, quite a

437
00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,960
Speaker 2: lot that's self doubt, perhaps more so among women, but

438
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,720
Speaker 2: definitely not exclusively women. It can really infect your decision making.

439
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 2: It can make you self select out of opportunities you deserve,

440
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,000
Speaker 2: and you're that you're the perfect candidate for It just

441
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,439
Speaker 2: can infect everything. So it looks like you're not scared

442
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,960
Speaker 2: of being a beginner, which I think is really empowering.

443
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 2: But because you often have moved into a new media

444
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,960
Speaker 2: where you haven't had experienced before in those early days,

445
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 2: would you have that kind of chatter, I'd be like,

446
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 2: oh my god, how do you deal with that?

447
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,400
Speaker 1: Sir? I'm having it right now. I'm having it right now.

448
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 1: I'm having a massive mental collapse. Internally. You can't see it,

449
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 1: but it's a volcano melting in on itself.

450
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 3: I'm in the power of description here. I love it.

451
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,720
Speaker 1: My brain is a bomb Alaska. Yeah, absolutely have self

452
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,920
Speaker 1: doubt and the process syndrome. I have it all the time.

453
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,439
Speaker 1: It's just but again, it's like fear. You've got an

454
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 1: acknowledge it process. It moved through it. Acknowledge it process

455
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 1: that moved through it. You know, I don't like sharks,

456
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,120
Speaker 1: but I've swum with them and I did it because

457
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,880
Speaker 1: I knew I was scared of them and I don't

458
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 1: like them.

459
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 3: Exposure theory, Yeah.

460
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 1: Face your fears. You may never even shake them, but

461
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 1: at least you face them self doubt thing. Yeah, I

462
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,159
Speaker 1: have self doubt with lots of things because I do

463
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 1: so many different things. But I don't lose belief in

464
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 1: who I am, if anything. Over the recent years, through

465
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 1: some pretty solid work, my belief not in an ego

466
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 1: centric way, in a very humble and measured way, I

467
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 1: have greater belief in who I am. I'm comfortable with this.

468
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable with who this guy is.

469
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 2: It's very reassuring to hear that you have gone through

470
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Speaker 2: a big chapter of trying to fit a mole that

471
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 2: you thought is what success looked like. Like that you

472
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,439
Speaker 2: were like, I have to just be the expert in

473
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 2: one thing, and that's just not everyone's. Like, I think

474
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,199
Speaker 2: you'd actually find it boring. I think if you just

475
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 2: specialized in one thing, you would have ticked the box

476
00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 2: that you thought and then you'd be like, shit, this

477
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 2: is awful, Like I hate this.

478
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,199
Speaker 1: I think you're right, like the lovely idea of it,

479
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,919
Speaker 1: of going I wish I was just a specialist in

480
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,360
Speaker 1: one thing, but you're right. I know that I would

481
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 1: get bored. You know, my interests are so varied, it's

482
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: so weird, and if people like you know that kid

483
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 1: you're talking about. When I was ten or eleven or twelve,

484
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 1: I was a very weird kid. What seriously keep an

485
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 1: eye on that kid.

486
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 2: Is meys, you're a weird adult, and I'm like, you're

487
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 2: still weird now, dude.

488
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,160
Speaker 1: No one in this room said that had stopped.

489
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Speaker 2: You know what, though, I love that you mentioned that

490
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 2: you can be curious about lots of different things but

491
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 2: see things through to completion. And what I find really

492
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,120
Speaker 2: difficult in having a lot of broad interests is that

493
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 2: I straddle this fine line of wanting to explore all

494
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 2: my interests and trying not to be an instant, gratuitous

495
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 2: millennial who gets bored. And it's really really hard to

496
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 2: know whether the each I'm getting because I just it's

497
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 2: got hard and I can't be bothered anymore, or because

498
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: it's time for a new chapter. So for someone who

499
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: has mastered I mean, on OSHA's episode from a couple

500
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 2: of months ago, he called you like the master of

501
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 2: a pivot, And I think in this day and age,

502
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: there is nothing more powerful than to be able to pivot,

503
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 2: but pivot at the right time and from the right

504
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 2: thing to the right thing.

505
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Speaker 3: If that makes sense.

506
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, pivots a passion, not the money.

507
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 2: Yes, How have you gone from a comedy master to

508
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 2: a simeliad to a business owner? Like when do you

509
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 2: know when the time is to jump? Do you get

510
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 2: like an itch or do you get a sense of complacency?

511
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 2: Like what's the thing that you go? Yeah, it's chapter time.

512
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,199
Speaker 1: I think it's it comes down to go And it

513
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: comes back to that thing Sarah mentioned before about like,

514
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, being robbed by other people and other people's

515
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: I always say, don't hang around with negative people because you'll.

516
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 3: Catch it contagious.

517
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: For sure, I had been put in a position where

518
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: my confidence had been eroded. The result of that was

519
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: my gut. So I now work on gut. So for

520
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: something like Posco was anybody listening? Is a drink that

521
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 1: I invented. I didn't just associate myself with it. I

522
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 1: literally invented it in Lockdown four years ago when I

523
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: was studying some wine research. It's non alcoholic, It's an

524
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 1: ancient beverage from over two thousand years ago. Because to

525
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,239
Speaker 1: your point, I was curious. It was curiosity, like I was,

526
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: who else in Lockdown is sitting around like literally ours

527
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: just deep diving into ancient Roman drinks and I found

528
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: it and here's the things that then I go away

529
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: and if formulated, and then I come out of lockdowns

530
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: and I got a professional formulators, and you know, four

531
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: years later, we are where we are today. You know,

532
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 1: we've got an entirely unique beverage that hadn't been around

533
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: for two thousand years. But to answer your question is

534
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: because I ran on gut because I was like, what

535
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 1: am I doing? Why am I making a drink? Why

536
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: am I investing my time, my money, my reputation. Why

537
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 1: am I doing this on a drink, on a beverage?

538
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 1: And it was just like my gout just kept telling me,

539
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: just keep going, just keep going, just keep going. And

540
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 1: I was like, obviously, there's a purpose greater than myself here.

541
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: There's a reason for this that is greater than me.

542
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: And I may never know, but at the moment, I

543
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: actually don't know why. I honestly do not know why.

544
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: I just know that in my gut it's right. And

545
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: I asked a friend of mine who's he's a Format

546
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: SAS soldier and a coach and a terrific bloke, and

547
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: I asked him, I said, why am I doing this?

548
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 1: Should I be doing this or should I just quit?

549
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: And he said, if you stop now and in six

550
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: months time somebody else reinvents POSCO and it takes into

551
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: the world, how would you feel, Oh.

552
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 3: That is a great question.

553
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,719
Speaker 1: Yeah I know, And I was like, I would be scattered,

554
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: and he just goes, there's your answer.

555
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 3: That is such a powerful way to answer your question.

556
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 1: And that's been the drive.

557
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 2: And because it's funny, like I love your story because

558
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 2: even when I first got I think it was whoever

559
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 2: does your pr sent me an email and then it

560
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,239
Speaker 2: came up Merrick Watts and I was like, what are

561
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 2: you talking about? Did you like, is there a typo?

562
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: Like in my brain, you're over here like this media legend,

563
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 2: comedic genius. And then there's this superfood ancient Roman beverage

564
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: in FMCG and I'm like, what in the actual fuck

565
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 2: are you talking about? Like, go back, revise your spelling,

566
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 2: do a spell check, fixtory email senter to me again.

567
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 3: And then I was like, whoa wait, what a.

568
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: Reinvention like this is exactly you know, you can start

569
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: out in your life and do an entire lifetime's worth

570
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 2: of a career in one area. And still keep doing it.

571
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you're still doing that work. You still got

572
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: your own festival for God's sake. But at various stages

573
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 2: there'll be big folks in the road where new passions

574
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 2: just come out of nowhere sometimes and like that's the

575
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 2: new Jig's not puzzle pieces, and it doesn't have to

576
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 2: make sense to anyone else except you.

577
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,719
Speaker 1: Correct. That's what I loved it when you said gesaw

578
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: puzzle pieces, because that's what is. It's about adding, adding

579
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: to them, you know, and trying to define your purpose

580
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: and understand your reasoning. And I think I think I

581
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: understand probably you know. I'm always constantly learning. I'm on

582
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: a mission every single day to try and learn more

583
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: about myself and my purpose and place in the universe.

584
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: And that's true. Like I spend a lot of time meditating,

585
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: I spend a lot of time exercising. I spend a

586
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: lot of time doing lots of things. But I think

587
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: it comes down to your purpose, and when you believe

588
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: that it's in line with your purpose, then it becomes

589
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: a mission. And that was the thing with PSCO. It

590
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: was not like I want to have a drink on

591
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: the market, and it's not an energy drink. It's all natural,

592
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: there's nothing artificial in it. It's really really it's great

593
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: for you. But I didn't want to. I would never,

594
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: you know, just put my name to something like that.

595
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: It's because I invented it and I believe in it

596
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: so wholeheartedly. But it does actually fit very much into

597
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: the way I see my purpose, and the same way

598
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: I feel like when I do an Idiot's Got the Wine,

599
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: which is a comedy show that written and perform around

600
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: the country, and that's the combination of wine and comedy,

601
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: live comedy, life, standup and I love doing that show.

602
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: But again they are completely different things, but it fits

603
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: my purpose. And then I look at something like Sas Australia,

604
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: which is completely in congruous again, which is a television

605
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: reality television show based on Special Forces selection. And I

606
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: went on that and I did pretty well on that,

607
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: but that was because I.

608
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 2: Did pretty well. He actually made selection. There's like three

609
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: people ever like you would have actually got into the SAS.

610
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 2: I mean, it's wild. You play that down way too much.

611
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: It is.

612
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: Brutal if you guys have it brutal, Like I can't

613
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 2: even tell you what a weapon you must be but.

614
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: Again that lined up with my purpose and my missions.

615
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: So for me, when I went on that TV show,

616
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: I was forty six, which is quite old at that time,

617
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: and I went on that show and I knew that again,

618
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: failure was an option, but it was not a choice

619
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: I was prepared to make. So I just kind of

620
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: ground it out with broken ribs and lots of injuries

621
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: and feeling really terrible the entire time because I said

622
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to start it, I'm going to complete it.

623
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: And again it comes back to my purpose, but also too,

624
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: you know, back to your original question when I was

625
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: a boy, your first question. When I was a boy,

626
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be a comedian. I wanted to

627
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: be a soldier. I wanted to be very specifically, I

628
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: wanted to be an SAS operator. It's all I ever

629
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: wanted to be when I was a kid, all I

630
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: ever wanted to do was be in the SAS. That

631
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: was it.

632
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: That show would have been like a full circle moment

633
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: correct connecting goosebumps goosebumps.

634
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: And that's why since that show, it's not the not

635
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: the winning of the show that has changed me and

636
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: restored my confidence. It's hard thing to do with that.

637
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: It did. It did shake off a lot of issues

638
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: I had about self confidence and belief because I was like, well,

639
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: I knew that I was going to do it. I

640
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: thought I could do it. I went to it. I

641
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,239
Speaker 1: prepared myself thoroughly for it mentally and physically, and then

642
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: I went and brutally attacked it and I got it done,

643
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: and I stayed there until it was finished. But the

644
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: other thing was that I've heard you talk about this

645
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: before and your podcast about the sliding door moments in

646
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: life where you could take one trajectory another. I believe

647
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: you have lots of slide door moments. That the biggest

648
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: one for me was probably, you know, when I was

649
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: a kid, I only really both times I was, you know,

650
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: thirteen or fourteen, I only wanted to be an essay

651
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: as soldier or a comedian, and I liked them by

652
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: I thought, they're my two greatest passions. And I either

653
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: want to become a professional soldier in the most elite

654
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: form or take on what I believed was the most

655
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: elite form of show business. You're not reading off an

656
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: auto que you are absolutely it's your purest format. And

657
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: that's so. Then when I was able at forty six,

658
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: I was able to reconcile whether or not I would

659
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: have had the capacity to have at least gone forward

660
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: for selection and had a crack at real essay a selection,

661
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I probably could have done all right,

662
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I could have passed it, but like

663
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: I definitely would have done.

664
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Speaker 3: And you did pass it.

665
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you did it no, I mean some of

666
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: the stuff you had to do. But what I think

667
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 2: is also incredibly inspiring about that is that it was

668
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: a really big, exciting doors moment for you in your

669
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: mid forties. And by the way, great ad for Oscar.

670
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: Your skin looks amazing, I mean the health and wellness

671
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: regime that you're on, and also for wine. But I

672
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: think also we have this sense of like, I have

673
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: to find my passion when I come out of UNI,

674
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: and then I'll find my job and then I'll do

675
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: that for the rest of ever.

676
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: To any younger people.

677
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: Especially like gen Z's and why it's listening, like it

678
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: takes time to find the best chapters of your life.

679
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: You don't have to get to them straight away at

680
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: the start. When you first approach someone's bio, I'm like, well,

681
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: comedy wine certificate, not just wine enthusiast, but wine. Like

682
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: you said, you never don't do anything one hundred percent.

683
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 2: You've got like a certification as a sourmelia and like

684
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: from two different organizations, and you can judge wine like

685
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: what and then poscar is made from red wine vinegar.

686
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 3: Like all the.

687
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: Dots start connecting, Like I'm like a crazy true crime

688
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: person with all the like string connecting all.

689
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 3: The things that's.

690
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: Read string between me and Leningrad. And I'm going exciting

691
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: to pull.

692
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: That's good you and Russell Crowe, I'm like, yes, what

693
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: there he is?

694
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's great that you reassure people that

695
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: you don't have to figure it all out too early.

696
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: Let it happen. Because the only thing, too, is that

697
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: it's a journey and you don't have to stop one

698
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: thing to start another either. Like I still do stand

699
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: up all the time. I'll be doing stand up next week,

700
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: this week, I did it last week. I do it

701
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: all the time, Like I'm you know a lot of weekends.

702
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: I do it because I love it and I love

703
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: the wide shows. And but I still work on POSCO

704
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: and I still do TV radio whatever, I do everything.

705
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: I just I don't have to stop one thing to

706
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: do another. But it's you also too. You don't have

707
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: to figure out the big master stroke early. It will

708
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: come when it feels right, and then if it doesn't

709
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: feel right anymore, then you can stop and do something else.

710
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: And I also love that you've consistently come back to

711
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: the people around you. And I don't think any of

712
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: these decisions are made in a vacuum. It's funny that

713
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: you mentioned your coach, like you did have a moment

714
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: of why would I start a drink company?

715
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 3: Like I don't have any.

716
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: Background in this, And I often say when I was

717
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 2: leaving law, if I'd ask my fellow lawyers what I

718
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: should do, they would have said the risk averse option.

719
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: But I asked my husband, who's a business owner, who

720
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: was like, well, why wouldn't you similar advice to your coach.

721
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: He was like, well, if someone else took this idea,

722
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: would you be pissed? I was like, fuck yes, I

723
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: would be so ropable, And he was like, well again,

724
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: like there's your answer. And I think even reading that

725
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: you poached kind of the general manager of Lions. So

726
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: this massive, massive FMCG organization to join you, Like you're

727
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: so about the people around you and like you said, removing.

728
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: Negative people as well.

729
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: That you've been able to build this incredible business, Like

730
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,719
Speaker 2: tell us more about Postco. It's not that old and

731
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: it's only in like thousands of stores.

732
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: It's only month so it's hard work, there's no doubt

733
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: about it. Like you know, there's ring business. Just it's

734
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: such a new thing to me and the business of

735
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: it is. But I just try to appind my applicable skills,

736
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: people skills, team building skills, working with people, but also too,

737
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm really into the liquid. It's really important.

738
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: As I saying before, I was working with Hazel who

739
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: many years ago helped me develop the product. She also

740
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: has wine qualifications and she's our head of ops. We

741
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 1: just nerd out. We just nerd out on like tiny

742
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: little things like you know, the you know, the mineral

743
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: composition of the drink and the electrolytes that are in it,

744
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: and then you know, things like resveratrol the people don't

745
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: even know about we care about, you know, and as

746
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: a palette and how it works on the palette and

747
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: why it's different, and it's really really important to us.

748
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: And I love being able to do that aspect of it.

749
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: And there's parts of the business which I find absolutely,

750
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: like really difficult and hard to learn and hard to understand.

751
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, we are at lightning speed. We

752
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: have to I have to move fast. So again it

753
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: comes back to learning and working and listening to people

754
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: and having great team around you is awesome, you know,

755
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: very fortunate. We've got a great little team. We work

756
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: with great partners, Like in the retail sector, we've got

757
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: really really good people that we work with, so that

758
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: does make it easier. But yeah, it's a steep learning

759
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: curve because I arrogantly just thought, oh oh, it's a

760
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: arrogant ignorantly supremely ignorantly just went I mean, look he's

761
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: put it in the tin and then you put in

762
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: the fridge and then people buy it, don't you, And

763
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: then they go, oh mate, oh mate, are you ready

764
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: for a wake up call?

765
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: And I was like, what I think, naivety is your

766
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: best friend at the beginning of a business, because if

767
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: everyone knew, they wouldn't do it.

768
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: You spot on, if you knew what was coming, you

769
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't do it. So it's like goes back to

770
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: shark diving. The fear of something can be worse than

771
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 1: the reality of it. So when I went shark diving

772
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: in Port Lincoln many years ago, I'm like, I mean

773
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: petrified of sharks, Like I really had a huge problem

774
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: around sharks. But when I got to the Niptune Iss,

775
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going first in the cage because

776
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: I can't delay. I have to be first. I've delayed

777
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: this fear that any moment I'm on the boat and

778
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: not in the cage, I'm prolonging the fear. I jumped

779
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: in the cave. She was instantly so as I was

780
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: underneath the water calm, and then I saw massive sharks

781
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: and I was like wow. I mean I knew that

782
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: they were killers, but they're graceful. And there was I

783
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: was going, you really are the size of a Honda

784
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: of jazz. That's the size. We're a hundred jazz that

785
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: can eat me. And then I got out of the cage.

786
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: I was like, well that's done. And then I was

787
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: like I'm going back in. I three times. Yeah, no

788
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: with me. By that stage, I knew how bad they were.

789
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: So dumb you.

790
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 3: Knew that unda jazz was waiting for you in the water.

791
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: Jazz and Pete.

792
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 3: But I mean.

793
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 2: Even just speaking to you about your approach, Yeah, I

794
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: mean your approach to your number one fear in life

795
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: to just run head on at it in a cage,

796
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: but also your approach to the business. You do kind

797
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: of think when you hear of a household name teaming

798
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 2: up with a product, you do think, well, that person

799
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 2: has just been approached to be an ambassador and put

800
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: their name on everything for the marketing. And then speaking

801
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: to you for like thirty two seconds, you'd already mentioned

802
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: Rosbra Troll and I was like, well, what, like, you

803
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: are so passionate about learning every aspect of this business

804
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: and even the idea. Like for you guys listening, it

805
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 2: was Merrick's wormhole into drink history, how gladiators and Roman

806
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: armies would march on a drink made from bread, wine, vinegar,

807
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 2: water and salt, like literally looking up gladiator beverages. Like

808
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: the power of just following what your brain wants to

809
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 2: do and then seeing that through. You would probably not

810
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: have guessed that you could run such a massive FMCG

811
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: business having never done it before, But look at you now, Well.

812
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: I mean that's what we have a CEO for a

813
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: lot of very good people around me at a board

814
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: to answer to you know, there's there's a lot of

815
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: great people around me. But again it comes back to

816
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: the thing that you identify very early is that it's

817
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: I'm curious and I love to take something unknown and

818
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 1: turn it into the known, because then I'm taking something

819
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: that was based in fear and turning into something that's

820
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: no longer fearful.

821
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 3: And in your mind.

822
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: Now we've talked a lot about success and that kind

823
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: of that it changes over time now that you're in

824
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: a product business that is also very numbers based, and

825
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 2: success in business is so measured by your ebit and

826
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: your revenue. Like to you, what is the marker of

827
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: what you would think of success in this business? Like

828
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 2: what do you want to achieve with poscar?

829
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: What would be.

830
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 2: Something like you saw it in someone's hand, or what's

831
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: your kind of marker of yes, I did it?

832
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: I tell you, sir, that's a great question, because that's

833
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: literally I've got a meeting tomorrow with our entire group

834
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: and I'm presenting something on I'm doing a presentation on

835
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: our brand and talking to our people and some of

836
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: them are quite young. I'm the oldest person in our

837
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: entire group. I love seeing young people drinking poscar. But

838
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: the question I've got for my team is whose hand

839
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: would you want to see Oscar in. I imagine that

840
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: they'll probably say they'll name someone. My answer also is,

841
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: you know the answer to two questions, I would love

842
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: to see this in the hands of people living in

843
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: other countries overseas. I would love to see a young

844
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: kid playing basketball in another country pick up a caniposca

845
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 1: and drink it on a hot day. I see that.

846
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: That's the wind for me. It's not about a personality,

847
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: it's about a person It's about seeing it in another

848
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: country that may or may not have the same benefits

849
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: that Australia has, and they would be awesome. If I

850
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: could see in the country that is not as wealthy

851
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: as Australia and see people drinking it, that would be

852
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: the absolute top of the totem of success for this

853
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: drink from me.

854
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 3: That is also a very full circle moment back to

855
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 3: our educationals that when you take your kids on their educationals,

856
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 3: that one day they go, hey, that's Dad's company and

857
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 3: some key exa is holding it in their hand.

858
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 1: That would be amazing. That would require my children knowing

859
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: what I do for a living and.

860
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 2: Caring well, you know, I mean, we've got to aim

861
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: start low, start small.

862
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: That's just my.

863
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: Kids are starting very very low. They're starting with my name.

864
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: So there we go.

865
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I have so many more questions for you.

866
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 2: We should have done a mes time CZA series because

867
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: I have more questions.

868
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 3: We didn't even get to the Big Five marathon.

869
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 2: You've just come back from.

870
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: Just another challenge to tick you off.

871
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: But it's so telling of your thirst for challenge that

872
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 2: you're just like, yes, screw it, I'm just going to go.

873
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 3: I'll do it.

874
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: But I'll do the Big Five, which is like one

875
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 2: of the hardest. I'm going to do it with jet

876
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 2: lag on the other side of the world and like,

877
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: let's just go.

878
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: And it's brutal. I just see. Just to explain how

879
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: brutal that marathon was, I had to fly their economy so.

880
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 3: The end, say no more, say no.

881
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: More, tell us about the run. Do you know that

882
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: they served me a sandwich on the plane with a

883
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: cold drink. A sandwich on.

884
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 3: The plane, honestly, And it wasn't a pasca. That's not okay.

885
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: I didn't even have cutlery, guys, I didn't have cutlery.

886
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: That's what they have business class.

887
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 2: Although when I was at the airport last I did

888
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: show you that I walked past a lot of Posca camps.

889
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, airports, Yes, that's amazing.

890
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: It's a drink through airline travel. It's drink. I don't

891
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: want to go on the flog and the Primo, but

892
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: give it a go.

893
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 3: No, you need to go on the flog. That's what

894
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 3: that's what we're here for.

895
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: And it is actually an incredible drink. And I'm like

896
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: very discerning about I'm not a drinks person. Nike's a

897
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: big drinks person, you know how, Like we all have

898
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: the thing if we go on to wh Smith on

899
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: the way to a flight, like he'll always get a drink.

900
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: I'll always get a snack. Like I'm a food girl,

901
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 2: but we always have Posca in the fridge. Now, like

902
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 2: we bought it, like you sent us some and then

903
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: we went within like seventy three seconds, and now we

904
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: buy the Yuzoo because it's it's so good, so massive.

905
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 2: Congratulations everything that you've been doing.

906
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: Now I'm the one blushing me.

907
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: Well, another full circle for just to finish up there

908
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: is so I mean, like, your brain is one of

909
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: my favorite kinds to pick.

910
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 3: Because you are curious.

911
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: I could imagine you like just say day you grow

912
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: posca to exit, I can imagine you coming out with

913
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: like the next chapter being the most random left field,

914
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 2: like I invented a flipper for scuba divers that turns

915
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 2: into a propeller, Like I like, I feel like nothing

916
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: will connect it the first time you hear it. But

917
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: your brain just has this way, which I love. But

918
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: one of the things we talk about on the show

919
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,919
Speaker 2: is the capacity for joy outside of productivity or outside

920
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 2: of like it's hard when curiosity fuels you, because then

921
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: it's really hard to switch off. And unfortunately, even the

922
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 2: most active of brains, in fact, probably more so the

923
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 2: most active of brains need to switch off from time

924
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 2: to time because burnout, because physical limits, because parenthood, because

925
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 2: you need to have pursuits outside of your work that

926
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: bring you joy for balance, and also because you get jaded.

927
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 3: Like I feel like I love my job. I love it.

928
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: I could do it to the cows come home, but

929
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: I get pretty flat and uninspired if I don't take

930
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 2: like a day here and there to not think about

931
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 2: podcast and content and creating and the best way that

932
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: I could. You know, you just need to switch it

933
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: off every now and then. So how do you do that?

934
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 2: Do you allow yourself breaks? Like do you have downtime?

935
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: And what are the things that you do for pure

936
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: joy that you're not trying to dissect all the time,

937
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: Like do you do anything just to do to enjoy

938
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 2: other than swimming with sharks and hundred jausers?

939
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? Look, I do work a lot. I do typically work.

940
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: I'll do a little bit of work seven days a week,

941
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: and I don't really take a lot of time off.

942
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 2: You strike me as someone who would hate who would

943
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: hate taking time Like, I don't feel like you're the

944
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: guy at the vacation pool who just lies there.

945
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 1: No I am. I am quite good at it, No really,

946
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, but it takes it takes a little

947
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: while for me to decompress.

948
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and.

949
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: Then and then I can kind of get into the groove.

950
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: But I need to be overseas to do it, to

951
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: be honest. And I went to Thailand a few weeks

952
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: ago with my family, and that was the first time

953
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 1: we've been away on any family holiday for any more

954
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: than any more than a day for a few years

955
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: and was like, because I've been very committed to work,

956
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: and my family has had to pay the price for

957
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: that as well, and I'm cognizant of them having to

958
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: make sacrifices too, so I can I do make sure

959
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: that I unwind in those moments and enjoy it and

960
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,959
Speaker 1: be present and that time from a family, but also

961
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: too for myself. But for pure joy. There's a couple

962
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: of things I really really really love which are so

963
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: simple and yet they bring me joy. And I think

964
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: it's because there's so much frenetic thinking and phrenetic energy

965
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: around my life, and there's so much input and stimulus

966
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: that I don't need to create anymore. So the joy

967
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: actually comes from simplicity. And the two things that I

968
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: really really love is I love to find some interesting

969
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 1: wine and then cook a meal with my wife around

970
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 1: that wine. I love to that she's as well. She's

971
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: a working semiaria, so she's got excellent powate, so we'd

972
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: like to pick something that's really interesting, paste it, and

973
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: cook something based around that wine. And I love that

974
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: it's just so basic and so and then just sit

975
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: eat and talk and drink whilst we're cooking. I love,

976
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 1: we'd love to just have a glass of wine and cook.

977
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: And the other thing I think that brings me absolute

978
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: pure joy is my great Dane. It's my dog. Is

979
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: just I love my kids, don't get me wrong, it's

980
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: me and I just the joy. The joy has ended,

981
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: joy there has finished but the dog. Because I think

982
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: it's because great Danes are beautiful. They're soft, they're so misunderstood.

983
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: They're very very gentle, even though they're massive. They're very shy,

984
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: they're very timid, but they absolutely adore their owners. Adore

985
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: their owners, like just to the point where they just

986
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: are constantly trying to sit on you, sleep on you,

987
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: be with you constantly. But they also they live short

988
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: life spans. They don't live for very long great Danes.

989
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: And there's that beauty in that knowing that you know

990
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: that they don't live very long, but they don't know that,

991
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: but they still give you pure joy.

992
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 3: Oh that's so sweet and profound.

993
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 1: Yep, they don't know that they're a ticking time bomb.

994
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: And all I can do is just.

995
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: But it's actually a weird way of reminding me about

996
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 2: I mentioned this the other day. One of the best

997
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,479
Speaker 2: pieces of advice that I ever had was to read

998
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 2: The Five Regrets of the Dying. And I know it

999
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 2: sounds so morbid and horrible, but actually, in the context

1000
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: of a show that's about joy, it's brought me more

1001
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: joy or more capacity to feel joy than you would think,

1002
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 2: because the resounding thing people say at the end of

1003
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 2: their lives is I no one gets there and goes

1004
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 2: I wish I worked more. I wish I saw my

1005
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 2: family less, I wish I had less fun. And like

1006
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: it's that sobering reminder of mortality, yes, which is awful,

1007
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: but also you need it every now and then to

1008
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: shock you into like you think you have every day. Yeah,

1009
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: you think you have forever and you don't.

1010
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: It's right, and it's you know, you can't have yin

1011
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: without the yang, right, And you've got to have that

1012
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: juxtaposition there. And I think that when you look at it,

1013
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: Dot that you know doesn't have a long life spent.

1014
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: But they are joyous. They just love everything. They just

1015
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: want to sniff things, like sniffing something. It's joy to

1016
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: All you're doing is sniffing, and you are so happy

1017
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: about look at your tail, at your tail, and you

1018
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: can't you can't help but laughing and feel joy and

1019
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: that is every single day. But the trade off is,

1020
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: you know, the price you pay for love is loss,

1021
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 1: and that's it. That's a trade. Everything has a price.

1022
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: So what brings me joy is the gratitude I have

1023
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: for the moments that I have with the joyful animal

1024
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: that I love.

1025
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 3: Oh that's a beautiful way to finish.

1026
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to stay poetic. Now, we're trying to

1027
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: be quotable.

1028
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 3: We're trying to become a mean, infinitely quotable. There's plenty

1029
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 3: to work with God so much.

1030
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: Oh no, I like people need to come off. Whenever

1031
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: anyone's like in an injury, We've got rapid fire. Now

1032
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, good luck, good luck getting a one

1033
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 2: word answer out of me, because it's fairly difficult.

1034
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 3: It never happened to date. I don't think on record

1035
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 3: that's the way it should be. Yeah, well, thank you

1036
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 3: so much. Congratulations on everything. Guys.

1037
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: If you have not tried POSCA the og sports drink,

1038
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: I will include much more in the intro, outro and

1039
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: the show notes for you all to get some, or

1040
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: if you happen to be in an airport, as we've mentioned,

1041
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: they are available there and in thousands of stockers around

1042
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: the place.

1043
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 3: So thank you so much, Mez.

1044
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: Sir, it has been an honor and apprivilege. Thank you

1045
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: so much. I really enjoyed being on this podcast. Thank

1046
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: you well.

1047
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 2: I'm sure most of you learned something new in this

1048
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: episode in a variety of different areas.

1049
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 3: He is just so knowledgeable.

1050
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: And yes, if I could frame his very kind flattery

1051
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: from the beginning of the episode, I absolutely would. I mean,

1052
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: what a legend and so kind. If you enjoyed the episode,

1053
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 2: please do tag at Merrick Watts and the shows that

1054
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 2: we can keep spreading the AA as far and wide

1055
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 2: as possible. Or of course, if you grab a POSCA

1056
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: at the airport or a drinking one anywhere around the world, do.

1057
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 3: Let Merrek know and tag the POSCA page as well.

1058
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 2: I'll include links in the show notes as well as

1059
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 2: to Merrick's current shows and upcoming schedule. In the meantime,

1060
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: I hope you're all having a great week and are

1061
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 2: seizing your ya