Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
Speaker 2: Mama Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia out Loud and to our Friday show, which
Speaker 2: is where we take a break from the.
Speaker 3: News cycle and we breathe oouch.
Speaker 2: Especially today as you're about to find her why. Today
Speaker 2: is Friday, the twelfth of July, and my name is
Speaker 2: Holly Wainwright.
Speaker 4: I'm Maya Friedman and I'm Jesse Stevens and out louders.
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Speaker 1: Imagine that podcast work. God, you're weird, but apparently this
Speaker 1: is a thing on a lot of podcasts people don't follow.
Speaker 3: I know they don't.
Speaker 1: There was another way that's wow, goodness on the show today?
Speaker 2: Are you feeling run down, tired, trying to sell me
Speaker 2: a drug? You're hanging on your last nerve and you
Speaker 2: might just cut a bitch if one more person asked
Speaker 2: you for something.
Speaker 1: He totally's describing herself.
Speaker 2: Mess is a diary in print that my friends is
Speaker 2: called the Midyear means we're calling it plus three things
Speaker 2: to watch over the weekend, including a very irritating but
Speaker 2: hypnotic walk down Memory Lane, an international game show, and
Speaker 2: a docco that comes with a million little wriggly sperm
Speaker 2: and a recipe. Even these idiots could make a brain
Speaker 2: with holes in it, and Jesse went out out again.
Speaker 3: That's our best of worst of the week.
Speaker 4: But first, Jesse Stevens, In case you missed it, the
Speaker 4: first movie written entirely by AI has been released, and
Speaker 4: no one wants you to say it. The Last Screenwriter
Speaker 4: is all about a writer who discovers an AI system
Speaker 4: that is way better at his job than he is
Speaker 4: and triggered. It was written in real life after chat
Speaker 4: GPT four was fed a seventeen word prompt. It took
Speaker 4: chat gpt four days to write this script.
Speaker 1: A long time. I thought the same for a machine.
Speaker 1: I thought you thought it was going to be like
Speaker 1: four seconds, me.
Speaker 3: Too, But it took up four days.
Speaker 2: My screenwriting friends, of which I have you both here
Speaker 2: well Jesse in particular, how long would it take a
Speaker 2: person to write a movie.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of.
Speaker 4: Pages, yeahbuble years, So four days is quiet, and so
Speaker 4: many drafts and a lot of drafts. Although this was
Speaker 4: not perfect, and the director knew it wasn't. The director
Speaker 4: is named Peter Luisi, and he decided to create exactly
Speaker 4: what was on the page, even though parts of it
Speaker 4: were repetitive and strange and kind of defied human logic.
Speaker 1: So he was trying to prove a point.
Speaker 3: That's trying to prove a point.
Speaker 4: He had real actors, real lighting, real sound design, and
Speaker 4: he made this movie. A cinema in London has canceled
Speaker 4: its world premiere after hundreds and hundreds of complaints. You'll
Speaker 4: recall that this was a subject of the Big Writers Strike.
Speaker 4: Writers are very scared that AI is taking their jobs.
Speaker 4: May or would you say it? No, I would be
Speaker 4: very interested.
Speaker 1: I don't have time to see the actual movies that
Speaker 1: are written by people that I want to see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing I get.
Speaker 1: Alone, something that's proving to me that it's shit. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'd like you to see it and then just tell
Speaker 1: me about it briefly on the show.
Speaker 2: So, as the British culture writer Marina Hyde said, when
Speaker 2: I heard her talking about this, she was like, repetitive
Speaker 2: doesn't make a lot of sense. How several false endings
Speaker 2: sounds like nearly every action movie I've seen in the
Speaker 2: last ten years, which a is true, but also maybe
Speaker 2: the writer was trying to prove a point. But also
Speaker 2: the fact that everybody is so freaked out they won't
Speaker 2: look at it is being called out as exactly the
Speaker 2: problem that if AI is really coming for all these
Speaker 2: creative industries, and you know, looks almost inevitable that it is,
Speaker 2: at some point we've got to like reckon with it
Speaker 2: and look it in the face. But instead everybody's going no,
Speaker 2: don't engage, don't look, don't put the movie on, Let's
Speaker 2: not watch the movie.
Speaker 1: It'll go away. It'll go away. Maybe if we hide
Speaker 1: from it, it'll go away.
Speaker 3: Problem is not good.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, I think that humanity is
Speaker 4: at a crossroads, and if we're going I refuse to
Speaker 4: consume art made by something that is not human, then
Speaker 4: that could change the course of history.
Speaker 3: I think going in too blindly crossroads, too.
Speaker 1: Tired, bad luck, it's coming for you. It's coming.
Speaker 4: You won't mind when it takes your job. You'll put
Speaker 4: your fader, can have a rest.
Speaker 3: You'll be like, here's my JD. You do please.
Speaker 1: Sam has been.
Speaker 2: Having a rolling intervention with me this week for being grumpy,
Speaker 2: and look, it's.
Speaker 1: True why I just haven't taken the bait like she's
Speaker 1: just been. And I know that I'm sometimes crabby, and
Speaker 1: I know that the two of you probably glance at
Speaker 1: each other and just go, she's being a cranky bitch again.
Speaker 1: And Hole's been going through all of those things, and
Speaker 1: I've just empathized.
Speaker 4: I've just been like, which is weird because neither of
Speaker 4: you hormonally are operating as you once did, so it
Speaker 4: can't be PMS.
Speaker 2: Right, might be.
Speaker 1: A bit.
Speaker 3: Once did. I love that description about Helleen.
Speaker 2: Anyway, it's true, and today I worked out why because
Speaker 2: I read a story that made perfect sense to me.
Speaker 1: And I need to make some addendums as well. It's
Speaker 1: true that, yes, I have a headache.
Speaker 3: And everyone's irritating you.
Speaker 1: I've been working on my book Reen Rights.
Speaker 3: Yes things have been busy lately. But also it's.
Speaker 1: Not about me. It's about all of us. It's about
Speaker 1: all of us together.
Speaker 2: And the mid year slump, also known i've decided as
Speaker 2: the mid mean as fuck mid year slump. Here are
Speaker 2: two things I need to tell you about it. Because
Speaker 2: I read an article in the Herald about the mid
Speaker 2: year slump. It's definitely a thing. The article is by
Speaker 2: Nell Gretz. Apparently, burnout obviously can occur all year round,
Speaker 2: we all know that, but in Australia it's particularly likely
Speaker 2: to happen right now because it is winter. We're susceptible
Speaker 2: to it mid year since it coincides with colder weather
Speaker 2: a minimal daylight. Yes, we know that, and also coincides
Speaker 2: with all these fuckers on Instagram showing us of them
Speaker 2: having a lovely thing in their euros. I'm like, you know,
Speaker 2: what's not a thing? When you live in the Northern Hemisphere,
Speaker 2: nobody talks about like the Southern Hemisphere summer.
Speaker 1: Nobody talks about that. It's not a thing. Like it's weird.
Speaker 4: It feels very the haves and have nots in Australia
Speaker 4: this time of year, because there are people I know
Speaker 4: that appear to do it and when I say no,
Speaker 4: I mean follow on Instagram do it every year and
Speaker 4: it just feels like a personal attack. Well, I came
Speaker 4: home and my sister stayed for another two weeks, and
Speaker 4: now I wasn't happy those two weeks they.
Speaker 1: Ever have that I just look at it and just
Speaker 1: it's like looking watching an animal documentary or something, you know,
Speaker 1: like I don't go I hate them. I wish I
Speaker 1: was there, maybe because I don't like holidays that much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's a bit of resentment too. When
Speaker 4: I interrogate my resentment towards my sister, someone's picking up
Speaker 4: the work. When there's a mass exodus to Europe, you'll
Speaker 4: find that workplaces get particularly tense because there's a lot
Speaker 4: of leave happening seemingly at the same time, and the
Speaker 4: people left behind not only aren't in Mayorca, they are
Speaker 4: also working longer hours.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a bit of escapism. Does it make you cranky?
Speaker 1: I mean everything does?
Speaker 3: It does?
Speaker 2: And also there's another bit to this.
Speaker 1: Also.
Speaker 2: Another reason why this month is particularly stressful, according to
Speaker 2: this article in The Herald, is that there's the stress
Speaker 2: of the end of financial year. Others may be frustrated.
Speaker 2: And we're going to get into this now that new
Speaker 2: year's resolutions or business plans are not coming to fruition
Speaker 2: as quickly as.
Speaker 1: They had hoped.
Speaker 2: We are almost exactly halfway through the year right now,
Speaker 2: which seems as good a time as any for us
Speaker 2: to consider whether this might be part of also what's
Speaker 2: giving us the mid year means, and that is that
Speaker 2: we are not living up to our hopes and dreams,
Speaker 2: and specifically, for out Louders, that means our words of
Speaker 2: the year. Everybody who listens to out loud regularly knows
Speaker 2: that on January the first, we always drop an episode
Speaker 2: and we always invite all the out louders to join
Speaker 2: in where we get very serious and we look deep
Speaker 2: inside ourselves to choose a word that's going to define
Speaker 2: our year ahead.
Speaker 1: Mere freedom. What was that word that you thought so
Speaker 1: hard about? I literally not only do like it does
Speaker 1: not only can I not remember the world, It doesn't
Speaker 1: even ring a bell, like not even a fate.
Speaker 4: Was something I do because I remember that mine was
Speaker 4: kindness and I wanted to be kind but I was different.
Speaker 1: Rember was like years ago.
Speaker 3: I remember, Create was one.
Speaker 1: Create was one when you got knocked out, It was
Speaker 1: juice one.
Speaker 3: This one was something about being nicely me.
Speaker 1: It was grace Fuck me.
Speaker 2: Look out Louders, I don't want everybody at this point
Speaker 2: in the podcast to throw their phone in the sea
Speaker 2: and say, what's even the point of these bitches? If
Speaker 2: they make us all said a word at the beginning
Speaker 2: of the year and then they can't even remember what
Speaker 2: it is. But I think this is a useful illustration,
Speaker 2: a useful check in, a useful coming together holding hands
Speaker 2: time for us to remember why we felt we needed
Speaker 2: that word and in what ways have we lived up
Speaker 2: to it or not? Freedman, can you remember why you
Speaker 2: chose grace?
Speaker 1: I think as I was having a nervous break which
Speaker 1: kind of rolled on until about March or.
Speaker 2: April, we always do our word of the year, and
Speaker 2: we often go look at us, we've all chosen something
Speaker 2: similar because you choose kindness, you teach grace and Jesse community.
Speaker 3: What's wrong with my word?
Speaker 2: I've been.
Speaker 1: To me that's kindness is what he is? What kindness is?
Speaker 1: All right? Come on, Jesse, how do you feel it?
Speaker 1: Going on? Kindness? Also? How do we measure kindness?
Speaker 3: Doing kind ship? And I just feel like, do you think.
Speaker 1: Did I choose kind in that particular sit Yeah?
Speaker 4: And there's been clear moments even in the last few months,
Speaker 4: where I've been like what do I do and like
Speaker 4: trying to make a decision.
Speaker 1: You have not chosen kind, chosen violence.
Speaker 4: I didn't even have that word in my head as
Speaker 4: a guiding thing, and I sought help from Grace over here,
Speaker 4: and I'll tell you, Grace was not great great.
Speaker 1: Grace that was not coming to the phone because she's dead.
Speaker 1: Now I've remembered that yours is grace mere.
Speaker 2: Every time you going off with me about something in
Speaker 2: the group chat, I'm just going to go.
Speaker 1: Grace, not I don't mean money.
Speaker 2: And when I say going off at me, I don't
Speaker 2: mean you're going off at me, like attacking me.
Speaker 1: But like getting upset about something. I think that I
Speaker 1: have shown remarkable grace in the face of your So
Speaker 1: I'm living my word. What was your word, hollywaen right?
Speaker 1: It was community and I am not living it to
Speaker 1: be proud of your community through a granky bitch.
Speaker 2: But also I was literally driving today and thinking the
Speaker 2: reason I chose that, The reason I chose that was
Speaker 2: because I wanted to be more outward looking, less inward looking.
Speaker 1: I wanted to help build bridges. I do do that.
Speaker 1: That's true, that's community.
Speaker 2: I wanted to build community in my new home, in
Speaker 2: my new town. Look all that to a point, But
Speaker 2: to be really honest, the thing that happens often when
Speaker 2: you're you know, busy, busy, busy is It's all about you, right,
Speaker 2: And it's been all about me for all the first
Speaker 2: half of the year. I have been, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 2: here's the thing I'm doing. I'm going on tour, I'm
Speaker 2: writing the book of me, Me, Me, Me Me, and
Speaker 2: it's not I've got to find I'm going to try
Speaker 2: really hard in the next half of the year to
Speaker 2: find more pockets of my life.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously there are.
Speaker 2: Parts of my life that are about my children and
Speaker 2: my dog and my family and my workmates. But I
Speaker 2: want to find pockets of this year when I can
Speaker 2: find some space to do what I set out to do.
Speaker 2: Otherwise I'm going to get to the end of the
Speaker 2: year and feel like the worst person.
Speaker 1: In the world.
Speaker 4: I know, so am I I feel like kindness requires
Speaker 4: energy of which I don't have a great deal at
Speaker 4: the moment. Like choosing the kind thing is often like
Speaker 4: take a deep breath and exert yourself slightly.
Speaker 1: It also requires a bit more time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does, it does, and it's really easy to go.
Speaker 4: I'll watch someone recently that I know and we had
Speaker 4: mutual acquaintance, who had a terrible health scare and I
Speaker 4: was speaking to her and she said, oh, so when
Speaker 4: I dropped off, I made sure that I cleaned her house,
Speaker 4: and and like she wasn't trying to perform that, she
Speaker 4: was just saying it.
Speaker 3: And I was like, holy shit, Like that almost.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't even cross my mind, because I'm such a piece
Speaker 4: of ship that.
Speaker 1: I think I've been quite kind this year. All right,
Speaker 1: give us an examples.
Speaker 4: I feel like that's not great, so continue, Please tell
Speaker 4: us about that I've been kind.
Speaker 1: I mean, I thinkately quite kind.
Speaker 2: You are, But give me an example where you chose you.
Speaker 1: It's not my word, but I think I've been kind
Speaker 1: to family. Family. Give me an example.
Speaker 4: When we went away, Miya like made a photo album
Speaker 4: for Luna that made her holiday. It meant that every
Speaker 4: time we sat down to eat, Luna just looked through
Speaker 4: her photo album.
Speaker 3: That made her so so happy.
Speaker 4: You've got incredible first birthday presents to the very spoiled
Speaker 4: little ground.
Speaker 1: Please tell me about.
Speaker 3: That every now and then you'll just fill our fridge.
Speaker 4: Trickerry's the other you know, on on a his first
Speaker 4: birthday just turned up to our door just a whole
Speaker 4: lot of ice cream to just say, like, congratulations on that.
Speaker 1: That's very thought. It is true.
Speaker 2: She is mere Friedman is very very good at ther HT.
Speaker 2: So here's the story, your word, I'm here's a story
Speaker 2: for you about mea Friedman. Is that when I was
Speaker 2: feeling really poorly and she was worried that it was
Speaker 2: my hormones, she managed to track down the hormone stuff
Speaker 2: that had that I couldn't get my hands on because
Speaker 2: I live in the country.
Speaker 3: This is great.
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying the show. Okay, so you have been quite kind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, X do you think Here's the thing about midyear
Speaker 2: slumps and you know, end of year burnout and all
Speaker 2: that stuff, is do we ever recognize patterns when we're
Speaker 2: in them? You know how very often you'll go, oh,
Speaker 2: that's right, you know. And this is where you read
Speaker 2: articles like this and you're like, of course, everyone gets
Speaker 2: to the middle of the year and they're sort of assessing.
Speaker 2: The first thing everyone it says, right at this time
Speaker 2: of the year is can you believe it's July already?
Speaker 2: Can you believe it July already?
Speaker 1: That's what everybody says.
Speaker 2: And then everybody gets a bit panicky because you feel
Speaker 2: like time is rushing past and it's harder than ever.
Speaker 1: It feels like to sort of grab it and hold.
Speaker 2: On to it, and we're like, oh, and then we
Speaker 2: read an article at this and we go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I always feel like this at this time of year.
Speaker 2: But do we ever recognize those kind of patterns when
Speaker 2: they're actually in motion.
Speaker 4: I don't think we do, or at least I know
Speaker 4: I don't. I feel like you're at your spot on
Speaker 4: with the busyness, and then the overarching value or the
Speaker 4: overarching goal of this year gets completely lost because you
Speaker 4: get stuck in the minutia of your every day. And
Speaker 4: I think that when it is family, like I just
Speaker 4: keep having this thing when my cousin Simon talk about
Speaker 4: him a lot. He calls me every night and we
Speaker 4: used talk at eight o'clock every single night.
Speaker 3: That was our thing.
Speaker 4: And he has disability, and it like I just know
Speaker 4: how happy that makes him.
Speaker 3: And sometimes like that's Luna's just gone down and it's
Speaker 3: been a really.
Speaker 4: Big day and I don't call him back, and I
Speaker 4: get kind, well, it's kind if I speak to him.
Speaker 1: No, But I mean, if you just don't call him
Speaker 1: back as.
Speaker 4: You chose, That's what I mean is it's just me
Speaker 4: failing at my word, and I get into bed and
Speaker 4: I go I am just riddled with guilt.
Speaker 3: I just feel so so awful that I haven't been
Speaker 3: able to do that. I haven't called my pop, I
Speaker 3: haven't like.
Speaker 4: And it's just sees things that would like. Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: just an extra thing that can.
Speaker 3: Sometimes feel like a job.
Speaker 2: And that's not what our word is supposed to be,
Speaker 2: is it, me, a freedman, It's not supposed to be
Speaker 2: a stick to beat ourselves with, is it.
Speaker 1: It is a little bit in terms of it's meant
Speaker 1: to be not a stick to beat ourselves with, but
Speaker 1: it's meant to be a bit of a north star
Speaker 1: or a guiding light. I think you chose the wrong
Speaker 1: year to have this as your word, because what the
Speaker 1: first year of parenthood does is crunch your time like
Speaker 1: you've never experienced and your energy, and as you rightly predicted,
Speaker 1: kindness and community both require time and energy, and so
Speaker 1: I think you almost inadvertently set yourself up to fail
Speaker 1: with your word.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why don't you tell me that?
Speaker 1: I didn't think about it at the time, but it's like,
Speaker 1: I completely understand why, because so much of being a
Speaker 1: parent is about being selfless. So kindness is about being
Speaker 1: and never will you learn about selflessness more in an
Speaker 1: abrupt way than when you become a parent. And so
Speaker 1: I think you are already being so challenged on that front,
Speaker 1: and you probably you know that takes a lot of adjustment.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: It's the exact same pattern that I've had since I
Speaker 4: started this podcast, like seven years ago or whenever it was,
Speaker 4: which is I'm always year behind. So my word last
Speaker 4: year was family. I feel like I'm actually nailing that.
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm really good, got like from my
Speaker 4: time with Learner to my parents really investing in all
Speaker 4: of that. I feel as though that's coming to fruition
Speaker 4: maybe next year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I think that you always but that
Speaker 1: also makes sense a little bit with the word of
Speaker 1: the year, because we're often and you'd already been a
Speaker 1: parent for six months when you chose this word. So
Speaker 1: I think it's often about where we feel that we
Speaker 1: want to focus because we're lacking. Yeah, So I think
Speaker 1: that that's really interesting. And for me, I think I
Speaker 1: also chose grace because there was absolutely none of it,
Speaker 1: none of it towards myself, none of it in my life.
Speaker 1: I felt shitty anguished, upset, losing my mind, and so
Speaker 1: grace felt like this tranquil thing because in the beginning
Speaker 1: of the year, even though we say these words aren't resolutions,
Speaker 1: there's still a sense of optimism and hope at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the year that I've got a fresh blank page,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna set my intention. And that's why I think
Speaker 1: that the mid year is so bereft of hope, because
Speaker 1: there's no optimism by midyear, because all you're confronted with
Speaker 1: is all the ways in which your intentions at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the year have not come to fruition. And
Speaker 1: you're too far away from January, where you feel hopeful
Speaker 1: and optimistic. But then December and Christmas and maybe a
Speaker 1: virtual kind of finish line about summer and holidays, hopefully
Speaker 1: in Christmas feels impossibly far away. So you're just in
Speaker 1: this existential despair.
Speaker 4: I'm going to write down my word and put above
Speaker 4: my desk so I remember it more, I think about
Speaker 4: it more.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think it's going to make
Speaker 1: you feel bad because I just don't think you have
Speaker 1: time to be kind at the moment, Like I really don't.
Speaker 1: I think you should go back to the last two weeks.
Speaker 2: I think you are kind, Like I get your point
Speaker 2: about like if you're not when you don't make the
Speaker 2: kind choice about something very tangible like calling Simon back
Speaker 2: me as one hundred percent right, you are touched out,
Speaker 2: spent out. You've given everything at that point. But in general,
Speaker 2: it's not like I'm seeing you walking around the world
Speaker 2: like making unkind choices.
Speaker 4: I don't spit on people that would take more energy
Speaker 4: than I'm not spitting on them.
Speaker 3: So I finally, no, I.
Speaker 2: See you being kind to the people around you. I
Speaker 2: see you being a very excellent mother. I see you
Speaker 2: make like I don't. I think you might be being harsh,
Speaker 2: but there certainly isn't any question about whether or not
Speaker 2: I'm failing it anyway out a loud as we want
Speaker 2: to hear about you. Tell us about you and your
Speaker 2: words of the year. We had them all in our
Speaker 2: show in January. We would love you to jump in
Speaker 2: the Facebook group and tell us how you're going with it.
Speaker 4: Are you allowed at this time if you're in a media
Speaker 4: slump it half a year left.
Speaker 1: We have talked about this as much. I thought maybe
Speaker 1: one year we did. I think I might have just
Speaker 1: yeah said, I'm having a different.
Speaker 3: I want out louder I reckon that you're allowed to change.
Speaker 1: My word needs to be remember it really.
Speaker 3: Does a memory.
Speaker 1: You shock.
Speaker 4: Get in the out Louders Facebook group and tell us
Speaker 4: how you're going or if you've chosen your word.
Speaker 1: It's Friday, so we want to help set up your
Speaker 1: weekend with our best recommendations. And we're going to tell
Speaker 1: you about two things that we recommend and one thing
Speaker 1: that we tried that we want to save you from
Speaker 1: having to try as well. Jesse, why don't you go first.
Speaker 3: It's time for me to recommend Taskmaster for those who.
Speaker 1: Take joy from seeing comedians humiliating themselves.
Speaker 3: Good news. That's kind of our whole day.
Speaker 5: El Australia's most delete comedic minds coming out in a
Speaker 5: series of incredibly important tasks, such as.
Speaker 2: Think the bowling ball you cannot get wet the fastest wins.
Speaker 3: I've been watching it app it's been talking about it.
Speaker 1: Explain it to me.
Speaker 3: Luca got me onto it.
Speaker 4: I think he found it on TikTok and we would
Speaker 4: watch it in the early days of lunar because it
Speaker 4: requires very little mental input, like you can watch.
Speaker 1: It a cooking show.
Speaker 4: Yes now started in England. I think they've had seventeen
Speaker 4: seasons and Australia is onto its second season and I
Speaker 4: believe it's been a real performer for them. So it's
Speaker 4: on Channel ten, but then it goes onto Amazon Prime,
Speaker 4: so we've been watching it there and the latest season
Speaker 4: has Josh Thomas, it has Will Anderson, Lloyd Langford, who
Speaker 4: I think is one of the funniest people in the world,
Speaker 4: Jenny Tian.
Speaker 3: And An Edmunds to comedians.
Speaker 4: They've got comedians, five comedians, and what they do is
Speaker 4: they give them a task. So the task could be
Speaker 4: something like biggest fluke wins. That's the whole task, right,
Speaker 4: what's your interpretation of what a fluke is? How do
Speaker 4: you prove that you've had a fluke and you can
Speaker 4: do anything. They're at this farm and they go and
Speaker 4: choose something to do. So they're creative, funny people and
Speaker 4: you watch their process and you watch them do it,
Speaker 4: and then Tom Gleeson gives them a score.
Speaker 1: Tom Gleason seems to host everything. He seems to have
Speaker 1: a lot of shows in a card quiz and.
Speaker 3: All those things. Yep, and this one has been a
Speaker 3: real success.
Speaker 4: So we've gone back and we started watching the British one,
Speaker 4: which is also hilarious. It's just I was thinking, Holy,
Speaker 4: with kids of your age, it would be perfect. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we should watch because it's very like safe, it's very funny.
Speaker 1: Masters or thank God you're here.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, exactly like that. Yeah, really really good watch.
Speaker 1: So brain off a little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like sometimes I can be on my phone.
Speaker 4: It's very much I need to finish a few emails.
Speaker 3: Let's put on Taskmaster.
Speaker 4: Okay, it's on Amazon Prime, also on Time Play and
Speaker 4: Taskmaster UK is on Binge and there's seventeen seasons.
Speaker 3: So have fun. Holly, what have you got?
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm really excited about my recommend even though
Speaker 2: it's no good.
Speaker 1: So spending the.
Speaker 2: Rules a little bit of Today's of the format today
Speaker 2: format testing, I am because I'm recommending the Brats documentary
Speaker 2: on Disney Plus.
Speaker 6: If you were coming of age in the nineteen eighties,
Speaker 6: the Brat Pack was near the center of your cultural awareness.
Speaker 6: But for those of us experiencing it from the inside,
Speaker 6: the brad Pack was something very different. On June tenth,
Speaker 6: nineteen eighty five, New York Magazine pub was Hollywood's brat Pack.
Speaker 6: I just remember seeing that cover and thinking, oh.
Speaker 1: Are you recommending we don't watch it?
Speaker 2: No? Well maybe, so I watched it at the weekend
Speaker 2: because I have literally been looking forward to it. It
Speaker 2: is a documentary about the brat Pack. Does that mean
Speaker 2: anything to ninety?
Speaker 3: I thought this was about the doll?
Speaker 2: Yet no rats, So I'll let me explain a tiny
Speaker 2: bread doll.
Speaker 3: I've never heard of a brat pack.
Speaker 2: The brat Pack was the name given to a group
Speaker 2: of actors in the mid eighties who were dominating Hollywood,
Speaker 2: and they were all young and hot. Actually, one of
Speaker 2: the interesting things about going back and watching this is
Speaker 2: our definition of hot definitely changes over the years.
Speaker 3: But anyway, who was in it?
Speaker 2: So with the brat Pack, the most iconic movies of
Speaker 2: the brat Pack era were The Breakfast Club, Pretty in Pink,
Speaker 2: Saint Elmo's Fire.
Speaker 1: Have you seen any of those movies?
Speaker 3: Breakfast Club?
Speaker 2: Yes, that's like iconic, iconic, Hanhannon, So all of the
Speaker 2: actors in that are in the brat Pack. So that
Speaker 2: is Emilio Estevez, Judd Nelson, Ali reenld Ali Sheedy, plus
Speaker 2: the person who made this documentary who's called Andrew McCarthy.
Speaker 2: He's not in Breakfast Club, but he is in Pretty
Speaker 2: in Pink, which is fucking great and you should go
Speaker 2: and watch Pretty in Pink immediately. Anyway, So he has
Speaker 2: made a documentary for Netflix called Brats, and I have
Speaker 2: been hanging out for it because if you're gen X,
Speaker 2: those movies they came out when I was a teenager, right,
Speaker 2: So the eighties were my teenager is the Breakfast Club
Speaker 2: in particular, and Pretty in Pink for me, were just
Speaker 2: the movies everybody was talking about them. Think about a
Speaker 2: much more monolithic cultural world than.
Speaker 1: We have now.
Speaker 2: Right, So there's and it was the first time and
Speaker 2: this is sort of investigated in this docco that teenagers
Speaker 2: had kind of really owned Hollywood, teenagers and young adults,
Speaker 2: that all the movies, all the hot movies were about
Speaker 2: the young people, and they have continued to be really anyway,
Speaker 2: they would called the brat pack. This term was coined
Speaker 2: were They by a writer for the New York magazine
Speaker 2: called David Blum, who went and wrote one of those
Speaker 2: like classic profile pieces where he went and hung out
Speaker 2: with the Melio Estevez in La for a few days
Speaker 2: and he wrote this iconic thousands and thousands of words
Speaker 2: profile about what it's like hanging out with the hottest
Speaker 2: young actors in Hollywood, and he called them the brat pack.
Speaker 2: He said they were, you know, they behaved as you
Speaker 2: would imagine young movie stars might behave.
Speaker 1: When it was a play on the pack, the rat pack,
Speaker 1: which was from a generation earlier, which was like Frank
Speaker 1: Sinatra and I can't think of Dean Mutton, Yeah, Dean Mutton.
Speaker 1: So it was like a group of guys that are
Speaker 1: this is like the next generation because they were like young,
Speaker 1: and there were women and men, and it was like
Speaker 1: a new thing.
Speaker 3: It was like a cohort of actors.
Speaker 2: To me, Moore is also in the bra Yeah, because
Speaker 2: of some almost fire. Anyway, the article came out and
Speaker 2: it became one of those pieces of media that goes
Speaker 2: completely viral. In a day before there was no viral,
Speaker 2: but it did go completely viral, and this group of
Speaker 2: actors were always known as that.
Speaker 1: Afterwards, the term went into the vernacular. They were always
Speaker 1: referred to as that.
Speaker 2: Some of them really did not like it. In fact,
Speaker 2: nearly all of them did not like it. They didn't
Speaker 2: like being called brats. Some of them think it was
Speaker 2: very bad for their career. Some of them were like meh.
Speaker 2: And what Andrew McCarthy does in this documentary is he
Speaker 2: talks about how he thinks it affected him and his career,
Speaker 2: and then he goes and tracks down all the other
Speaker 2: members of the brat Pack and interviews them about what
Speaker 2: they think about it, as well as some adjacent people, directors, writers,
Speaker 2: and ultimately the writer of the piece. That's a very
Speaker 2: good idea, great idea for it, a great idea, And
Speaker 2: the only reason that this record comes with a like
Speaker 2: is that as a documentary it's actually pretty unsatisfying.
Speaker 1: Andrew McCarthy is so.
Speaker 2: Pissed off about the brat Pack label that he feels
Speaker 2: derailed his forty years ago that it's a bit like
Speaker 2: you know, when you catch up with an old friend
Speaker 2: from school and they just want to keep bitching about
Speaker 2: the things from school even though they happened twenty years ago,
Speaker 2: like being trapped in a conversation.
Speaker 1: Was that so looking forward to this because for gen X,
Speaker 1: those actors are iconic, right, and there are a lot
Speaker 1: of I mean, they were all very much in different
Speaker 1: ways defined by that era, but many of them went
Speaker 1: on to have big, satisfying yeah, of course, and Molly
Speaker 1: Ringworld went and reinvented herself and had an interesting life
Speaker 1: as well. But it sounds a little bit like Peter Pan,
Speaker 1: like who just never grew up? Is it that none
Speaker 1: of the actors were ever allowed to grow up? Or
Speaker 1: the Andrew McCarthy's looking for escapegoat to blame the fact
Speaker 1: he's career went.
Speaker 2: I think that they all got tarnished with it to
Speaker 2: a point. And what's interesting about it consider I didn't
Speaker 2: like it very much. I had a lot of thoughts.
Speaker 2: I've made notes writing a story like I'm very investing
Speaker 2: because it makes you think about the things from our youth,
Speaker 2: the things that happened to you when you're young, and
Speaker 2: how much they impact you. Because basically, you're talking about
Speaker 2: a group of people who were defined by a moment
Speaker 2: in time, and they always will be to a point.
Speaker 1: I've got a comparison so like the Lindsay Lohan, Paris
Speaker 1: Britney spears.
Speaker 2: And people will always want to bring them back to
Speaker 2: that and talk to them about that and remember, hey,
Speaker 2: how about that time blue right, And it's very much
Speaker 2: like that, and some of them have got healthy attitudes
Speaker 2: to it, some of them not Andrew McCarthy clearly not.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of therapy speak. They're all very over therapized,
Speaker 2: so there's a lot of that.
Speaker 3: I feel like his therapists would say, don't make that
Speaker 3: do The.
Speaker 2: Most fun is he tried. Demimore is great in it actually,
Speaker 2: and he just interviews her pajamas by her pool.
Speaker 1: It's quite fun going into famous people's houses. Robb Loo
Speaker 1: as well, and mean Leostave.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: He was my first heterosexual crush. The ones I had
Speaker 1: before him showed how broken my gait I was because
Speaker 1: it was boy George, George Michael and the guys from
Speaker 1: AHA also adam ant. So Rob Low was the first
Speaker 1: heterosexual crush that I had on my wall.
Speaker 2: And he's in it and he was He's very cool
Speaker 2: about it all. And Ali Sheedy, she's so great anyway.
Speaker 2: The only person who won't speak to is Molly Ringle,
Speaker 2: which is very disappointing because I do love her. But
Speaker 2: she was like, Andrew, I think we should just leave
Speaker 2: things in the path of yeah, and.
Speaker 1: It was it's.
Speaker 2: Really I'm kind of recommending it if you're into that world.
Speaker 2: It immediately made me want to go and rewatch all
Speaker 2: those movies and think how desperately I want to show
Speaker 2: my daughter pretty in pink and this, and how good
Speaker 2: the soundtracks of those movies were and how iconic they were.
Speaker 1: But as a doc, oh, it's a bit me. But
Speaker 1: I'd love to know what out loud. I would love
Speaker 1: to know because it was so interesting. I want to
Speaker 1: hear how it goes when you try to recapture your
Speaker 1: youth by showing your kids films. I made that mistake
Speaker 1: with Muriel's Wedding, and my kids were quite young, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's this great film, but films have changed,
Speaker 1: and then there's that terrible I'd forgotten that whole plot
Speaker 1: and Mural's wedding of the mother who takes a life,
Speaker 1: and it was just like the kids were.
Speaker 3: Like, this is a why are we watching this?
Speaker 1: Most interesting thing about watching old movies is that everyone
Speaker 1: had normal teeth back and their faces moved.
Speaker 2: And actually looking at all these guys. They were obviously
Speaker 2: all handsome guys and they but they were It's a
Speaker 2: different level of hot that we require these days, a
Speaker 2: different level of hot. Anyway, do with it what you will.
Speaker 2: It's the brat STOCKO. It's on Disney Plus.
Speaker 1: I watched a movie that it's a series actually that
Speaker 1: many out louders have been watching over the last week
Speaker 1: or so, which is The Man with one Thousand Kids
Speaker 1: on Netflix. What if I were to tell you that
Speaker 1: there is a man alive who may have fathered over
Speaker 1: eight thousand children. What can a man would do that?
Speaker 2: I always wanted to be a mom, We wanted to
Speaker 2: have a family together.
Speaker 3: A sperm donor is making up fifty percent of your child.
Speaker 1: I got to know him on the internet.
Speaker 3: He has curly hair.
Speaker 1: His hair, we were totally sold. I'm ready to have
Speaker 1: beautiful babies.
Speaker 4: Nine months later, I had a baby boy, but that
Speaker 4: wonderment was totally ripped from us.
Speaker 1: I'm actually interviewing someone from that show on No Filter
Speaker 1: in the next week or so.
Speaker 3: But it's basically about.
Speaker 1: The world's most prolific sperm donor. It's this guy from
Speaker 1: the Netherlands who It starts off following a couple of
Speaker 1: single women and gay lesbian couples who look for a
Speaker 1: sperm donor because they want to have families, and one
Speaker 1: heterosexual couple who are infertile, and they all happened upon
Speaker 1: through various ways the same guy. Some some of them
Speaker 1: live in the Netherlands, so he literally don't donate sperm
Speaker 1: to their door. One of them he offers to conceive
Speaker 1: naturally with them and she has sex with him, and
Speaker 1: others buy his sperm through a sperm bank and where
Speaker 1: he's a donor, and as it progresses, they all start
Speaker 1: to find out. Firstly, in this particular town in the Netherlands,
Speaker 1: they find accidentally that a woman who's a teacher, another
Speaker 1: teacher at her school also he's a sperm donor. And
Speaker 1: then they discover it was the same sperm donor, and
Speaker 1: at first they're like, oh hahaha, we should get the
Speaker 1: kids together.
Speaker 3: They're like half siblings.
Speaker 1: And then they find more and more people, and then
Speaker 1: they realize, oh no, and more and more and more
Speaker 1: people realize that this guy is actually trying to repopulate
Speaker 1: the world. Essentially, Oh my gosh, there's way too well
Speaker 1: that's a great question because he's not interviewed for this.
Speaker 1: But my complaint about this is that it's a bit
Speaker 1: cheesily done as the music and stuff, and there is
Speaker 1: way too many shots of sperm in donation cups, way
Speaker 1: too many depictions of sperm. Is upsetting is it's not
Speaker 1: dangerous for like biodiversity. Yes, and this is the problem.
Speaker 1: It's not just like, oh, what a kooky guy, and
Speaker 1: oh how funny there's so.
Speaker 3: Many kids around the community.
Speaker 1: It's actually a problem because if you were just having
Speaker 1: children by having sex with women, there'd be sort of
Speaker 1: a limit by geography and time. But if you're depositing
Speaker 1: in sperm banks, not just in your country but in
Speaker 1: countries all over the world, a single donation can make
Speaker 1: twenty children.
Speaker 3: Is that true?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so or more, you know, many many children.
Speaker 1: And so as these women start to discover that it's
Speaker 1: something called fertility fraud, that he's lying to them all,
Speaker 1: it becomes a problem because these children, when they grow
Speaker 1: up and they meet someone and they fall in love,
Speaker 1: they might not know that they've got the same father biologically,
Speaker 1: and they might have children and suddenly it's incest. And
Speaker 1: so it looks at this fight that the women have
Speaker 1: to stop him basically and sort of questions what his
Speaker 1: motivation is. And there's an Australian lesbian couple in there
Speaker 1: that are amazing. They sort of lead the charge, and
Speaker 1: it talks about how they've had some gatherings between the
Speaker 1: different mothers where the children have met, and all the
Speaker 1: children look frighteningly alike, and there are whole Facebook groups
Speaker 1: where they've all found each other. And it talks about
Speaker 1: this instant connection that the children have with each other
Speaker 1: because they share half of their DNA, so they've got
Speaker 1: the same taste, they've got the same likes, they've got
Speaker 1: similar personalities. So you know, there's one really frightening one
Speaker 1: where this little girl comes home and they've been at
Speaker 1: one of these gatherings, and she's about ten or eleven.
Speaker 1: She says, I think I'm in love with you know,
Speaker 1: Johan who is And the mother's like, no.
Speaker 3: You can't be.
Speaker 1: That's your brother, and she's like, but I've got feelings
Speaker 1: for him. I think I love him. And anyway, it's
Speaker 1: absolutely fascinating this idea of fertility fraud and Jonathan Meyer,
Speaker 1: who is this Dutch guy, and how these women tried
Speaker 1: to stop him, and also whether he's been stopped or
Speaker 1: not now absolutely fascinating. It's on Netflix.
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Speaker 4: It is time for best and Worst. This is where
Speaker 4: we share a little more from our personal lives. Holly,
Speaker 4: what was your worst for this week?
Speaker 1: Dog related?
Speaker 2: I'm taking Mia smot I spoke a few weeks ago
Speaker 2: about how my baby Tuna, my beautiful little dog dog,
Speaker 2: has hurt her leg, which she has she can't run around.
Speaker 2: It's sad, but also I think she's been a bit
Speaker 2: out of sorts since then.
Speaker 1: She's got the midyear memes means.
Speaker 2: Right, and she can be a bit of an anxious poppy.
Speaker 2: She's a rescue dog. She can be bit anxious anyway.
Speaker 2: This week, because Brent and the kids were away and
Speaker 2: I had to come up to the city for work,
Speaker 2: I put her in the dog kennel for a few days,
Speaker 2: and you know, they.
Speaker 1: Look after her very well there, but saying.
Speaker 2: Goodbye to her that morning was really hard because she.
Speaker 1: Doesn't like it when I leave. I she doesn't like
Speaker 1: being left.
Speaker 2: And I took her in the place and her little
Speaker 2: tails down and her ears are down, and she can
Speaker 2: seal the whites of her eyes and she's looking around
Speaker 2: and you're just like sweety pie.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm coming back.
Speaker 3: I promise it's only two sleep.
Speaker 2: Since she's looking at me like, I don't speak, you're
Speaker 2: weird like and then the lady was like trying to
Speaker 2: take her off to the and she wouldn't go.
Speaker 1: She kept pulling back to me.
Speaker 2: And then I was like, oh, I'm such a bad dog. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I had to walk to the door.
Speaker 3: Then I'm like, bye, do good bye tonight.
Speaker 1: Oh anyway, it makes me.
Speaker 2: It's hilarious because the kids have been away too, and
Speaker 2: I barely even thought about that.
Speaker 1: Not true. I do love the children. My kids and
Speaker 1: dogs have been away and it's been outstanding, one of
Speaker 1: the best ways of my life.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I cannot wait to be reunited with Tuna,
Speaker 2: oh and the children. But my best is food related, right,
Speaker 2: And I know that you two are going to go
Speaker 2: because you don't.
Speaker 4: Know I'm into recipes now, I'm inter recipe okay, good, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I've got to have to cook now.
Speaker 2: But when I was feeling a bit poorly, I got
Speaker 2: this craving, you know, when you're just like your body
Speaker 2: knows what it needs. And I really wanted hardy, nourishing food.
Speaker 2: And I remember that one of my favorite things in
Speaker 2: the world is dal. You know what darl is, right,
Speaker 2: Indian lent of curry. And I was about to hear
Speaker 2: darl like hid as hi. Dahl is Indian lentil curry.
Speaker 2: It is one I came across this. The thing that
Speaker 2: made me think of it is I came across a
Speaker 2: recipe for Dahl, a really easy one on Instagram, which
Speaker 2: will put a link in. But you can find really great,
Speaker 2: really authentic recipes for dahl everywhere.
Speaker 1: On the internet, and it's all easy.
Speaker 2: But let me just tell you I've been eating dahl
Speaker 2: solidly for a while.
Speaker 1: Yellow split peas.
Speaker 2: So that's lentils dried and yeah, yeah, yeah, in a pan,
Speaker 2: heavy bottomed pan.
Speaker 1: Add a couple of cups of either water or stock.
Speaker 3: Yep, easy, right, can do that.
Speaker 2: Throw in a handful of cherry tomatoes.
Speaker 3: This is a spinach to chop them.
Speaker 2: No, this is the this is a spinach and tomato doll.
Speaker 2: But you can put this is a spinach and tomato doll.
Speaker 2: Throw in a handful of cherry tomatoes. Bang, throw in
Speaker 2: a couple of blocks of frozen spinach. Or if you
Speaker 2: have real spinach around, chop it up, put it in
Speaker 2: and then all you do then is you literally put
Speaker 2: on You can either curry powder if you've got curry powder,
Speaker 2: or garam masala, which is like another spice. Sprinkle it
Speaker 2: in salt pepper, bring it to the boil, put it
Speaker 2: down on zimmer stick the lid on twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the easy.
Speaker 3: Very I'm actually very impressed with.
Speaker 2: There is and most delicious. And you can make dull
Speaker 2: more complicated if you want. You can chop up lots
Speaker 2: of herbs and onion, and you can toast spices in
Speaker 2: oil and put it on top. You can do all
Speaker 2: that if you want, or you can just do that
Speaker 2: that I just told you about, eat it with like
Speaker 2: a dollup of natural yogurt on top.
Speaker 1: If that's your thing.
Speaker 2: It is so delicious, so for you, and if you
Speaker 2: are if you've got the midwinter sads, just do it.
Speaker 1: I like that that was my best, rediscovering no my
Speaker 1: worst is interesting because I've been thinking about this all
Speaker 1: week before I remembered what my word was, and my
Speaker 1: word of the year being grace, was also about having
Speaker 1: grace towards myself, because I'm fairly tough on myself, and
Speaker 1: my worst this week has been my brain. My I
Speaker 1: don't like talking about my ADHD very much because I
Speaker 1: don't want to be defined by it and I don't
Speaker 1: want to see my life through the lens of it.
Speaker 1: But there are times where I really, really really batter
Speaker 1: with it and it makes my life really really hard,
Speaker 1: and it's been making.
Speaker 3: My life really really hard lately.
Speaker 2: And your steam do you think it's like this might
Speaker 2: be a dumb question, and I apologize if it is.
Speaker 1: But if you are.
Speaker 2: Such thing as a dumb questionnai show if you are tired,
Speaker 2: or if you are this, or if you are that.
Speaker 2: Do you think that there are times when you struggle
Speaker 2: more than others with your ADHD?
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, which is why a lot of women aren't
Speaker 1: diagnosed until they're in their footies, because things like hormones
Speaker 1: can really affect it, stress can affect it. But for
Speaker 1: me also because I manage it with medication, it's not
Speaker 1: just an easy solution medication because it's different to Excelso
Speaker 1: take medication for anxiety, and that's like it's not instant,
Speaker 1: you don't feel it, like you just have it, and
Speaker 1: it's sort of just if it's working in the right dose,
Speaker 1: it takes the anxiety away or minimizes it, and you
Speaker 1: might still have breakthrough anxiety. But the medication that is
Speaker 1: prescribed for ADHD is a bit can be a bit rollercoastery,
Speaker 1: and it's quite tiring to be on because what it
Speaker 1: does is it makes you really sharp, and the sharpness
Speaker 1: can bring with it some problems. It can make me
Speaker 1: really intense. It can make me really have to work
Speaker 1: all the time and not be able to rest. But
Speaker 1: then when I'm not taking it, I can feel really
Speaker 1: tired and really my brain's like just jumping around, so
Speaker 1: like you can't when I just when you have an
Speaker 1: issue like this, you just can't get away from it.
Speaker 1: You can try to treat it, but it's just getting
Speaker 1: I'm just getting in my way, and it's just that
Speaker 1: sense of things that should be easy are just really
Speaker 1: really hard for me at the moment. And it just
Speaker 1: makes it's like trying to walk through quicksand it's just
Speaker 1: really really hard. So yeah, that's my worst. My best
Speaker 1: is managing a really really tricky episode of No Filter
Speaker 1: this week that I've wanted to do for years and
Speaker 1: years and years. And I seem like I often say that,
Speaker 1: but lately I've landed a lot of people who have
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to for ages, and Dassi Earlick as
Speaker 1: one of them. Dassi is an extraordinary woman from Melbourne
Speaker 1: who was sexually abused by the headmistress at her very
Speaker 1: religious school in Melbourne, was an all girls school called
Speaker 1: at Us and she was part of a very very religious,
Speaker 1: ultra author Jewish community in Melbourne, and she fought to
Speaker 1: bring this teacher, who was immediately spirited out of the
Speaker 1: country by the school to protect the abuser and to
Speaker 1: protect themselves and sent, you know, spirited back to Israel.
Speaker 1: And then Darcy and her sisters, who were also abused
Speaker 1: by Malkhalifa, fought for years and years and years and
Speaker 1: years and years to bring her back to Australia to
Speaker 1: face justice, which finally she did and last year she
Speaker 1: was sentenced or the year four she was sentenced to
Speaker 1: fifteen years and she's currently serving those in prison. And
Speaker 1: Darcy's written this amazing books called In Good Faith, and
Speaker 1: it's about her life. And what's amazing about Darcy is
Speaker 1: that by the time Malkalafa came along, because of the
Speaker 1: way in which she was brought up, like in any
Speaker 1: ultra religious community, those children and girls and boys, but
Speaker 1: girls in particular are sitting ducks for abuse because they
Speaker 1: don't even know the names of their body parts, they
Speaker 1: have no for of sex education, they have no contact
Speaker 1: with the outside world, so anyone that might be able
Speaker 1: to mandatory report, they don't have words even to describe
Speaker 1: the abuse that they suffer, whether it's within the marriages
Speaker 1: that they are forced into or at the hands of
Speaker 1: other people. And in this case it was Dassy's head mistress.
Speaker 1: And it's just it's an incredible story and what she
Speaker 1: had experienced before she even met Malkhalefa was shocking and
Speaker 1: what the story ultimately is is And I cried during
Speaker 1: this interview, not during the awful parts, but at the
Speaker 1: end when I was talking to her about how she's
Speaker 1: got through it and her life and her hope and
Speaker 1: her survival. Because humans are extraordinary people extraordinary creatures, the
Speaker 1: resilience that she's shown, the hope and the optimism, and
Speaker 1: the fact that yeah, it's just it was a beautiful story.
Speaker 1: And I'm just so I'm always very very anxious about
Speaker 1: those stories because it is a big responsibility telling them
Speaker 1: in a way that does justice to them and that
Speaker 1: takes care of them, as you know, as a survivor
Speaker 1: of abuse. And yeah, it's it's a beautiful episode, and
Speaker 1: Dussy's really happy with it. So have a listen to that.
Speaker 1: We'll put a link in the show notes and in
Speaker 1: the newsletter as well.
Speaker 4: My worst is what I'm going to call the downfall,
Speaker 4: the decline, the demise of diet coke. Allow me to explain.
Speaker 4: When I was away, I go sit down. I'm not
Speaker 4: a big drinker. I might say, every now and then,
Speaker 4: can I have a diet coke? When I order or
Speaker 4: look for a diet coke, I really feel like one,
Speaker 4: and it's a real treat. But they would say, oh,
Speaker 4: coke zero, and I was like, oh, you've misunderstood. Coke
Speaker 4: zero not the same as diet coke. That it's completely different.
Speaker 4: Diet coke is a good drink. Coke zero tastes like
Speaker 4: battery us.
Speaker 1: But what's the actual difference.
Speaker 4: They have different chemicals that are not good for us,
Speaker 4: but like a different.
Speaker 3: They taste different. They taste so different.
Speaker 4: Different recipe and diet coke I'm a big fan of
Speaker 4: and that felt very big, Like ten years.
Speaker 1: They've got a very good brand.
Speaker 3: Is it diet?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But phasing it out? Is that the moral? Yes?
Speaker 4: I think they're phasing it out. So what has happened
Speaker 4: to me is I will be out and about, like
Speaker 4: I'll even be at work and I'll go, oh, go
Speaker 4: get diet coke and every shop I walk into they've
Speaker 4: just got coke zero and full strength.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's because the word diets become a negative?
Speaker 3: I wonder.
Speaker 1: I mean, coke zero sounds cool, but diet coke coke zero.
Speaker 4: Like like people get it. It's just completely different. And
Speaker 4: even I also really like pepsi max. But there are
Speaker 4: lots of people that's really mean is that diet pepsy
Speaker 4: you get your tea? There used to be and then
Speaker 4: they phase that out as well, and they think we
Speaker 4: don't notice. But people with a preference for their can
Speaker 4: of soft drink can't. We can't do a bait and
Speaker 4: switch I have an addiction.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I think there's not enough of you. It's like the
Speaker 1: Witchery theory, you know, like all the people that say,
Speaker 1: I know what we treat to change, Well, maybe you
Speaker 1: should have gone on board a top.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think it's true. I think that
Speaker 4: poll who like diet coke need to unionize.
Speaker 1: Soft drinks are not it, Jesse, that's why.
Speaker 4: Oh you've upset everyone, and by that, I mean you've
Speaker 4: upset me. My best is I went to a concert
Speaker 4: on Saturday night out again. Go to a lot of concerts,
Speaker 4: but I went to see Missy Higgins at the IC
Speaker 4: six States.
Speaker 3: Do remember never go that fark live with.
Speaker 1: Missy friend of the pod. I really wanted to go
Speaker 1: and see that concert, but I can't sit through concerts.
Speaker 1: I felt terrible that I didn't go because I love
Speaker 1: her so much. I love listening to a music, but
Speaker 1: I can't sit and watch a constabull shot. You went
Speaker 1: to Taylor Swift different.
Speaker 2: I am dancing and I'm going the first August or
Speaker 2: second something States Theater.
Speaker 3: Something or somewhere I can away.
Speaker 1: I love her too. I think missus an out louder.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm Missy so when I was thirteen, Miss Higgins
Speaker 4: was the first concert I ever went to. I went
Speaker 4: to Darling Harbor and I saw her. She was on
Speaker 4: like a thing in the water. That's weird your memory. Anyway,
Speaker 4: she was the first person I ever loved, and like,
Speaker 4: I really liked her music, not because everyone else liked it.
Speaker 3: Like I remember in primary school, it's like.
Speaker 4: If everyone loves Nelly Fotato, you pretend like you do.
Speaker 4: But what Missy Higgins did for me at a moment
Speaker 4: in my life to be transported back there. She said
Speaker 4: this great thing, which was like, you know, there's thousands
Speaker 4: of people in the ICC, and she was like, it's
Speaker 4: so weird that everyone's transported back to twenty years ago,
Speaker 4: whatever you were doing, wherever you were in your life.
Speaker 4: All these memories are just kind of circulating.
Speaker 1: And that album, true, it was a sad track of
Speaker 1: our life.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 1: I love her music so much and did.
Speaker 3: When I had Luna.
Speaker 4: For some reason, I don't usually listen to music at home.
Speaker 4: I usually listen to podcasts, but I just sounded white.
Speaker 4: It was on and it just brought me, brought me back.
Speaker 4: And she's got this new album coming out which sounds amazing.
Speaker 4: It is all about her separation, and it reminded me
Speaker 4: of you know, Adele wrote easy on Me like and
Speaker 4: it was this soundtrack that we hadn't really heard like
Speaker 4: women talking about that periods. So that's coming out that
Speaker 4: I'm excited about. And she sung this song called Song
Speaker 4: for Sammy, which is a song she wrote like a
Speaker 4: lullaby for her first born. And anyone who is in
Speaker 4: the period of having a newborn or you've ever had
Speaker 4: a newborn, just listen to that, because I don't think
Speaker 4: I've ever heard it captured so perfectly. Like you have
Speaker 4: to listen above to hear that.
Speaker 2: That is all we've got time for today and this
Speaker 2: week out loud as we hope that you are not
Speaker 2: feeling a my year slump.
Speaker 1: We hope that.
Speaker 2: You've blown off some steam with us today and you
Speaker 2: go into a weekend feeling you know, sang win sanguin.
Speaker 3: I've never said that word out loud.
Speaker 1: Sanguine, sanguinetine. It's sanguine, sanguine, sang me. It's kind of like,
Speaker 1: what does it mean? What do you think sanguine means?
Speaker 1: It means like I think of it as being like
Speaker 1: peace reflected like sanguine exactly it.
Speaker 2: It's time for us all to have a little bit
Speaker 2: of sanguinity.
Speaker 1: Now we're just making up words.
Speaker 4: That's what.
Speaker 2: Thank you, out louders. Thank you to our amazing team.
Speaker 2: This episode was produced by Emiline Gazillas. The assistant producer
Speaker 2: is Charlie Blackman. We've had audio production from Leah.
Speaker 1: Porge's and we will see you next week.
Speaker 3: Bye bye.
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