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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia out Loud and to our Friday show, which

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Speaker 2: is where we take a break from the.

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Speaker 3: News cycle and we breathe oouch.

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Speaker 2: Especially today as you're about to find her why. Today

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Speaker 2: is Friday, the twelfth of July, and my name is

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Speaker 2: Holly Wainwright.

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Speaker 4: I'm Maya Friedman and I'm Jesse Stevens and out louders.

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Speaker 1: Imagine that podcast work. God, you're weird, but apparently this

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Speaker 1: is a thing on a lot of podcasts people don't follow.

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Speaker 3: I know they don't.

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Speaker 1: There was another way that's wow, goodness on the show today?

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Speaker 2: Are you feeling run down, tired, trying to sell me

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Speaker 2: a drug? You're hanging on your last nerve and you

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Speaker 2: might just cut a bitch if one more person asked

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Speaker 2: you for something.

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Speaker 1: He totally's describing herself.

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Speaker 2: Mess is a diary in print that my friends is

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Speaker 2: called the Midyear means we're calling it plus three things

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Speaker 2: to watch over the weekend, including a very irritating but

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Speaker 2: hypnotic walk down Memory Lane, an international game show, and

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Speaker 2: a docco that comes with a million little wriggly sperm

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Speaker 2: and a recipe. Even these idiots could make a brain

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Speaker 2: with holes in it, and Jesse went out out again.

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Speaker 3: That's our best of worst of the week.

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Speaker 4: But first, Jesse Stevens, In case you missed it, the

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Speaker 4: first movie written entirely by AI has been released, and

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Speaker 4: no one wants you to say it. The Last Screenwriter

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Speaker 4: is all about a writer who discovers an AI system

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Speaker 4: that is way better at his job than he is

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Speaker 4: and triggered. It was written in real life after chat

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Speaker 4: GPT four was fed a seventeen word prompt. It took

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Speaker 1: A long time. I thought the same for a machine.

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Speaker 1: I thought you thought it was going to be like

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Speaker 3: Too, But it took up four days.

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Speaker 2: My screenwriting friends, of which I have you both here

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Speaker 2: well Jesse in particular, how long would it take a

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of.

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Speaker 4: Pages, yeahbuble years, So four days is quiet, and so

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Speaker 4: many drafts and a lot of drafts. Although this was

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Speaker 4: not perfect, and the director knew it wasn't. The director

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Speaker 4: is named Peter Luisi, and he decided to create exactly

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Speaker 1: So he was trying to prove a point.

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Speaker 3: That's trying to prove a point.

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Speaker 4: He had real actors, real lighting, real sound design, and

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Speaker 4: he made this movie. A cinema in London has canceled

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Speaker 4: its world premiere after hundreds and hundreds of complaints. You'll

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Speaker 4: recall that this was a subject of the Big Writers Strike.

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Speaker 4: Writers are very scared that AI is taking their jobs.

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Speaker 4: May or would you say it? No, I would be

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Speaker 1: I don't have time to see the actual movies that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing I get.

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Speaker 1: Alone, something that's proving to me that it's shit. I mean,

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Speaker 2: So, as the British culture writer Marina Hyde said, when

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Speaker 2: the writer was trying to prove a point. But also

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Speaker 2: the fact that everybody is so freaked out they won't

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Speaker 1: It'll go away. It'll go away. Maybe if we hide

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, I think that humanity is

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Speaker 4: You won't mind when it takes your job. You'll put

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Speaker 3: You'll be like, here's my JD. You do please.

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Speaker 1: Sam has been.

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Speaker 2: Having a rolling intervention with me this week for being grumpy,

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Speaker 1: True why I just haven't taken the bait like she's

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Speaker 3: Once did. I love that description about Helleen.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, it's true, and today I worked out why because

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Speaker 1: And I need to make some addendums as well. It's

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Speaker 1: I've been working on my book Reen Rights.

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Speaker 3: Yes things have been busy lately. But also it's.

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Speaker 1: Not about me. It's about all of us. It's about

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Speaker 2: And the mid year slump, also known i've decided as

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Speaker 2: Nell Gretz. Apparently, burnout obviously can occur all year round,

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Speaker 1: Nobody talks about that. It's not a thing. Like it's weird.

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Speaker 4: It feels very the haves and have nots in Australia

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Speaker 4: it just feels like a personal attack. Well, I came

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Speaker 1: Ever have that I just look at it and just

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's a bit of resentment too. When

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Speaker 4: I interrogate my resentment towards my sister, someone's picking up

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Speaker 4: the work. When there's a mass exodus to Europe, you'll

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Speaker 1: Well, it's a bit of escapism. Does it make you cranky?

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Speaker 2: And also there's another bit to this.

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Speaker 2: And we're going to get into this now that new

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Speaker 2: We are almost exactly halfway through the year right now,

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Speaker 2: to consider whether this might be part of also what's

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Speaker 2: giving us the mid year means, and that is that

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Speaker 2: and specifically, for out Louders, that means our words of

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Speaker 2: that on January the first, we always drop an episode

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Speaker 1: Mere freedom. What was that word that you thought so

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Speaker 4: Was something I do because I remember that mine was

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Speaker 1: Rember was like years ago.

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Speaker 3: I remember, Create was one.

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Speaker 3: This one was something about being nicely me.

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Speaker 2: Look out Louders, I don't want everybody at this point

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Speaker 2: to it or not? Freedman, can you remember why you

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Speaker 2: April, we always do our word of the year, and

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Speaker 2: we often go look at us, we've all chosen something

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Speaker 2: similar because you choose kindness, you teach grace and Jesse community.

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Speaker 3: What's wrong with my word?

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Speaker 2: I've been.

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Speaker 1: To me that's kindness is what he is? What kindness is?

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Speaker 1: All right? Come on, Jesse, how do you feel it?

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Speaker 1: Going on? Kindness? Also? How do we measure kindness?

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Speaker 3: Doing kind ship? And I just feel like, do you think.

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Speaker 1: Did I choose kind in that particular sit Yeah?

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Speaker 4: And there's been clear moments even in the last few months,

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Speaker 1: You have not chosen kind, chosen violence.

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Speaker 4: I didn't even have that word in my head as

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Speaker 4: and I'll tell you, Grace was not great great.

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Speaker 1: Grace that was not coming to the phone because she's dead.

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Speaker 1: Now I've remembered that yours is grace mere.

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Speaker 2: Every time you going off with me about something in

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Speaker 1: Grace, not I don't mean money.

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Speaker 4: I know, so am I I feel like kindness requires

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Speaker 3: And I was like, holy shit, Like that almost.

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Speaker 1: I think I've been quite kind this year. All right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I thinkately quite kind.

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Speaker 1: It's not my word, but I think I've been kind

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Speaker 4: When we went away, Miya like made a photo album

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Speaker 4: You've got incredible first birthday presents to the very spoiled

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Speaker 4: Trickerry's the other you know, on on a his first

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Speaker 1: That's very thought. It is true.

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Speaker 2: She is mere Friedman is very very good at ther HT.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, X do you think Here's the thing about midyear

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Speaker 2: The first thing everyone it says, right at this time

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Speaker 4: I don't think we do, or at least I know

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Speaker 4: Big day and I don't call him back, and I

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Speaker 4: You chose, That's what I mean is it's just me

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Speaker 3: I just feel so so awful that I haven't been

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Speaker 2: And that's not what our word is supposed to be,

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Speaker 1: It is a little bit in terms of it's meant

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Speaker 3: Yeah, why don't you tell me that?

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Speaker 4: It's the exact same pattern that I've had since I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I think that you always but that

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Speaker 4: I'm going to write down my word and put above

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think it's going to make

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Speaker 2: I think you are kind, Like I get your point

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Speaker 2: me as one hundred percent right, you are touched out,

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Speaker 4: I don't spit on people that would take more energy

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Speaker 3: So I finally, no, I.

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Speaker 2: See you being kind to the people around you. I

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Speaker 2: but there certainly isn't any question about whether or not

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Speaker 4: Are you allowed at this time if you're in a media

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Speaker 1: We have talked about this as much. I thought maybe

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Speaker 3: I want out louder I reckon that you're allowed to change.

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Speaker 1: My word needs to be remember it really.

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Speaker 3: Does a memory.

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Speaker 1: You shock.

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Speaker 4: Get in the out Louders Facebook group and tell us

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Speaker 1: It's Friday, so we want to help set up your

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Speaker 1: having to try as well. Jesse, why don't you go first.

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Speaker 3: It's time for me to recommend Taskmaster for those who.

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Speaker 1: Take joy from seeing comedians humiliating themselves.

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Speaker 3: Good news. That's kind of our whole day.

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Speaker 5: El Australia's most delete comedic minds coming out in a

445
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Speaker 5: series of incredibly important tasks, such as.

446
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Speaker 2: Think the bowling ball you cannot get wet the fastest wins.

447
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Speaker 3: I've been watching it app it's been talking about it.

448
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Speaker 1: Explain it to me.

449
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Speaker 3: Luca got me onto it.

450
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Speaker 4: I think he found it on TikTok and we would

451
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Speaker 4: watch it in the early days of lunar because it

452
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Speaker 4: requires very little mental input, like you can watch.

453
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Speaker 1: It a cooking show.

454
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Speaker 4: Yes now started in England. I think they've had seventeen

455
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Speaker 4: seasons and Australia is onto its second season and I

456
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Speaker 4: believe it's been a real performer for them. So it's

457
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Speaker 4: on Channel ten, but then it goes onto Amazon Prime,

458
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Speaker 4: so we've been watching it there and the latest season

459
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Speaker 4: has Josh Thomas, it has Will Anderson, Lloyd Langford, who

460
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Speaker 4: I think is one of the funniest people in the world,

461
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Speaker 4: Jenny Tian.

462
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Speaker 3: And An Edmunds to comedians.

463
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Speaker 4: They've got comedians, five comedians, and what they do is

464
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Speaker 4: they give them a task. So the task could be

465
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Speaker 4: something like biggest fluke wins. That's the whole task, right,

466
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Speaker 4: what's your interpretation of what a fluke is? How do

467
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Speaker 4: you prove that you've had a fluke and you can

468
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Speaker 4: do anything. They're at this farm and they go and

469
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Speaker 4: choose something to do. So they're creative, funny people and

470
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Speaker 4: you watch their process and you watch them do it,

471
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Speaker 4: and then Tom Gleeson gives them a score.

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Speaker 1: Tom Gleason seems to host everything. He seems to have

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Speaker 1: a lot of shows in a card quiz and.

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Speaker 3: All those things. Yep, and this one has been a

475
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Speaker 3: real success.

476
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Speaker 4: So we've gone back and we started watching the British one,

477
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Speaker 4: which is also hilarious. It's just I was thinking, Holy,

478
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Speaker 4: with kids of your age, it would be perfect. Yeah,

479
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Speaker 4: we should watch because it's very like safe, it's very funny.

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Speaker 1: Masters or thank God you're here.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, exactly like that. Yeah, really really good watch.

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Speaker 1: So brain off a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and like sometimes I can be on my phone.

484
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Speaker 4: It's very much I need to finish a few emails.

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Speaker 3: Let's put on Taskmaster.

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Speaker 4: Okay, it's on Amazon Prime, also on Time Play and

487
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Speaker 4: Taskmaster UK is on Binge and there's seventeen seasons.

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Speaker 3: So have fun. Holly, what have you got?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm really excited about my recommend even though

490
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Speaker 2: it's no good.

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Speaker 1: So spending the.

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Speaker 2: Rules a little bit of Today's of the format today

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Speaker 2: format testing, I am because I'm recommending the Brats documentary

494
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Speaker 2: on Disney Plus.

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Speaker 6: If you were coming of age in the nineteen eighties,

496
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Speaker 6: the Brat Pack was near the center of your cultural awareness.

497
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Speaker 6: But for those of us experiencing it from the inside,

498
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Speaker 6: the brad Pack was something very different. On June tenth,

499
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Speaker 6: nineteen eighty five, New York Magazine pub was Hollywood's brat Pack.

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Speaker 6: I just remember seeing that cover and thinking, oh.

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Speaker 1: Are you recommending we don't watch it?

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Speaker 2: No? Well maybe, so I watched it at the weekend

503
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Speaker 2: because I have literally been looking forward to it. It

504
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Speaker 2: is a documentary about the brat Pack. Does that mean

505
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Speaker 2: anything to ninety?

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Speaker 3: I thought this was about the doll?

507
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Speaker 2: Yet no rats, So I'll let me explain a tiny

508
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Speaker 2: bread doll.

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Speaker 3: I've never heard of a brat pack.

510
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Speaker 2: The brat Pack was the name given to a group

511
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Speaker 2: of actors in the mid eighties who were dominating Hollywood,

512
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Speaker 2: and they were all young and hot. Actually, one of

513
00:23:14,607 --> 00:23:17,447
Speaker 2: the interesting things about going back and watching this is

514
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Speaker 2: our definition of hot definitely changes over the years.

515
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Speaker 3: But anyway, who was in it?

516
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Speaker 2: So with the brat Pack, the most iconic movies of

517
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Speaker 2: the brat Pack era were The Breakfast Club, Pretty in Pink,

518
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Speaker 2: Saint Elmo's Fire.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen any of those movies?

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Speaker 3: Breakfast Club?

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's like iconic, iconic, Hanhannon, So all of the

522
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Speaker 2: actors in that are in the brat Pack. So that

523
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Speaker 2: is Emilio Estevez, Judd Nelson, Ali reenld Ali Sheedy, plus

524
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Speaker 2: the person who made this documentary who's called Andrew McCarthy.

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Speaker 2: He's not in Breakfast Club, but he is in Pretty

526
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Speaker 2: in Pink, which is fucking great and you should go

527
00:23:53,767 --> 00:23:57,967
Speaker 2: and watch Pretty in Pink immediately. Anyway, So he has

528
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Speaker 2: made a documentary for Netflix called Brats, and I have

529
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Speaker 2: been hanging out for it because if you're gen X,

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Speaker 2: those movies they came out when I was a teenager, right,

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Speaker 2: So the eighties were my teenager is the Breakfast Club

532
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Speaker 2: in particular, and Pretty in Pink for me, were just

533
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Speaker 2: the movies everybody was talking about them. Think about a

534
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Speaker 2: much more monolithic cultural world than.

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Speaker 1: We have now.

536
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Speaker 2: Right, So there's and it was the first time and

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Speaker 2: this is sort of investigated in this docco that teenagers

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Speaker 2: had kind of really owned Hollywood, teenagers and young adults,

539
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Speaker 2: that all the movies, all the hot movies were about

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Speaker 2: the young people, and they have continued to be really anyway,

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Speaker 2: they would called the brat pack. This term was coined

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Speaker 2: were They by a writer for the New York magazine

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Speaker 2: called David Blum, who went and wrote one of those

544
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Speaker 2: like classic profile pieces where he went and hung out

545
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Speaker 2: with the Melio Estevez in La for a few days

546
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Speaker 2: and he wrote this iconic thousands and thousands of words

547
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Speaker 2: profile about what it's like hanging out with the hottest

548
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Speaker 2: young actors in Hollywood, and he called them the brat pack.

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Speaker 2: He said they were, you know, they behaved as you

550
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Speaker 2: would imagine young movie stars might behave.

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Speaker 1: When it was a play on the pack, the rat pack,

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Speaker 1: which was from a generation earlier, which was like Frank

553
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Speaker 1: Sinatra and I can't think of Dean Mutton, Yeah, Dean Mutton.

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Speaker 1: So it was like a group of guys that are

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Speaker 1: this is like the next generation because they were like young,

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Speaker 1: and there were women and men, and it was like

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Speaker 1: a new thing.

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Speaker 3: It was like a cohort of actors.

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Speaker 2: To me, Moore is also in the bra Yeah, because

560
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Speaker 2: of some almost fire. Anyway, the article came out and

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Speaker 2: it became one of those pieces of media that goes

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Speaker 2: completely viral. In a day before there was no viral,

563
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Speaker 2: but it did go completely viral, and this group of

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Speaker 2: actors were always known as that.

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Speaker 1: Afterwards, the term went into the vernacular. They were always

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Speaker 1: referred to as that.

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Speaker 2: Some of them really did not like it. In fact,

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Speaker 2: nearly all of them did not like it. They didn't

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Speaker 2: like being called brats. Some of them think it was

570
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Speaker 2: very bad for their career. Some of them were like meh.

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Speaker 2: And what Andrew McCarthy does in this documentary is he

572
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Speaker 2: talks about how he thinks it affected him and his career,

573
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Speaker 2: and then he goes and tracks down all the other

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Speaker 2: members of the brat Pack and interviews them about what

575
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Speaker 2: they think about it, as well as some adjacent people, directors, writers,

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Speaker 2: and ultimately the writer of the piece. That's a very

577
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Speaker 2: good idea, great idea for it, a great idea, And

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Speaker 2: the only reason that this record comes with a like

579
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Speaker 2: is that as a documentary it's actually pretty unsatisfying.

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Speaker 1: Andrew McCarthy is so.

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Speaker 2: Pissed off about the brat Pack label that he feels

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Speaker 2: derailed his forty years ago that it's a bit like

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Speaker 2: you know, when you catch up with an old friend

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Speaker 2: from school and they just want to keep bitching about

585
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Speaker 2: the things from school even though they happened twenty years ago,

586
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Speaker 2: like being trapped in a conversation.

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Speaker 1: Was that so looking forward to this because for gen X,

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Speaker 1: those actors are iconic, right, and there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of I mean, they were all very much in different

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Speaker 1: ways defined by that era, but many of them went

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Speaker 1: on to have big, satisfying yeah, of course, and Molly

592
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Speaker 1: Ringworld went and reinvented herself and had an interesting life

593
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Speaker 1: as well. But it sounds a little bit like Peter Pan,

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Speaker 1: like who just never grew up? Is it that none

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Speaker 1: of the actors were ever allowed to grow up? Or

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Speaker 1: the Andrew McCarthy's looking for escapegoat to blame the fact

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Speaker 1: he's career went.

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Speaker 2: I think that they all got tarnished with it to

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Speaker 2: a point. And what's interesting about it consider I didn't

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Speaker 2: like it very much. I had a lot of thoughts.

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Speaker 2: I've made notes writing a story like I'm very investing

602
00:27:25,967 --> 00:27:28,527
Speaker 2: because it makes you think about the things from our youth,

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Speaker 2: the things that happened to you when you're young, and

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Speaker 2: how much they impact you. Because basically, you're talking about

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Speaker 2: a group of people who were defined by a moment

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Speaker 2: in time, and they always will be to a point.

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Speaker 1: I've got a comparison so like the Lindsay Lohan, Paris

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Speaker 1: Britney spears.

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Speaker 2: And people will always want to bring them back to

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Speaker 2: that and talk to them about that and remember, hey,

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Speaker 2: how about that time blue right, And it's very much

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Speaker 2: like that, and some of them have got healthy attitudes

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Speaker 2: to it, some of them not Andrew McCarthy clearly not.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of therapy speak. They're all very over therapized,

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Speaker 2: so there's a lot of that.

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Speaker 3: I feel like his therapists would say, don't make that

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Speaker 3: do The.

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Speaker 2: Most fun is he tried. Demimore is great in it actually,

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Speaker 2: and he just interviews her pajamas by her pool.

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Speaker 1: It's quite fun going into famous people's houses. Robb Loo

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Speaker 1: as well, and mean Leostave.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: He was my first heterosexual crush. The ones I had

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Speaker 1: before him showed how broken my gait I was because

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Speaker 1: it was boy George, George Michael and the guys from

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Speaker 1: AHA also adam ant. So Rob Low was the first

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Speaker 1: heterosexual crush that I had on my wall.

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Speaker 2: And he's in it and he was He's very cool

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Speaker 2: about it all. And Ali Sheedy, she's so great anyway.

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Speaker 2: The only person who won't speak to is Molly Ringle,

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Speaker 2: which is very disappointing because I do love her. But

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Speaker 2: she was like, Andrew, I think we should just leave

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Speaker 2: things in the path of yeah, and.

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Speaker 1: It was it's.

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Speaker 2: Really I'm kind of recommending it if you're into that world.

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Speaker 2: It immediately made me want to go and rewatch all

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Speaker 2: those movies and think how desperately I want to show

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Speaker 2: my daughter pretty in pink and this, and how good

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Speaker 2: the soundtracks of those movies were and how iconic they were.

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Speaker 1: But as a doc, oh, it's a bit me. But

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Speaker 1: I'd love to know what out loud. I would love

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Speaker 1: to know because it was so interesting. I want to

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Speaker 1: hear how it goes when you try to recapture your

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Speaker 1: youth by showing your kids films. I made that mistake

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Speaker 1: with Muriel's Wedding, and my kids were quite young, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, it's this great film, but films have changed,

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Speaker 1: and then there's that terrible I'd forgotten that whole plot

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Speaker 1: and Mural's wedding of the mother who takes a life,

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Speaker 1: and it was just like the kids were.

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Speaker 3: Like, this is a why are we watching this?

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Speaker 1: Most interesting thing about watching old movies is that everyone

652
00:29:38,567 --> 00:29:41,087
Speaker 1: had normal teeth back and their faces moved.

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Speaker 2: And actually looking at all these guys. They were obviously

654
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Speaker 2: all handsome guys and they but they were It's a

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Speaker 2: different level of hot that we require these days, a

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Speaker 2: different level of hot. Anyway, do with it what you will.

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Speaker 2: It's the brat STOCKO. It's on Disney Plus.

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Speaker 1: I watched a movie that it's a series actually that

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Speaker 1: many out louders have been watching over the last week

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Speaker 1: or so, which is The Man with one Thousand Kids

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Speaker 1: on Netflix. What if I were to tell you that

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Speaker 1: there is a man alive who may have fathered over

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Speaker 1: eight thousand children. What can a man would do that?

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Speaker 2: I always wanted to be a mom, We wanted to

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Speaker 2: have a family together.

666
00:30:20,607 --> 00:30:24,207
Speaker 3: A sperm donor is making up fifty percent of your child.

667
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Speaker 1: I got to know him on the internet.

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Speaker 3: He has curly hair.

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Speaker 1: His hair, we were totally sold. I'm ready to have

670
00:30:33,087 --> 00:30:34,007
Speaker 1: beautiful babies.

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Speaker 4: Nine months later, I had a baby boy, but that

672
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Speaker 4: wonderment was totally ripped from us.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually interviewing someone from that show on No Filter

674
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Speaker 1: in the next week or so.

675
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Speaker 3: But it's basically about.

676
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Speaker 1: The world's most prolific sperm donor. It's this guy from

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Speaker 1: the Netherlands who It starts off following a couple of

678
00:30:54,207 --> 00:30:57,927
Speaker 1: single women and gay lesbian couples who look for a

679
00:30:57,927 --> 00:30:59,767
Speaker 1: sperm donor because they want to have families, and one

680
00:31:00,367 --> 00:31:03,727
Speaker 1: heterosexual couple who are infertile, and they all happened upon

681
00:31:04,207 --> 00:31:06,887
Speaker 1: through various ways the same guy. Some some of them

682
00:31:06,887 --> 00:31:10,087
Speaker 1: live in the Netherlands, so he literally don't donate sperm

683
00:31:10,287 --> 00:31:13,127
Speaker 1: to their door. One of them he offers to conceive

684
00:31:13,207 --> 00:31:15,607
Speaker 1: naturally with them and she has sex with him, and

685
00:31:15,687 --> 00:31:19,207
Speaker 1: others buy his sperm through a sperm bank and where

686
00:31:19,247 --> 00:31:22,647
Speaker 1: he's a donor, and as it progresses, they all start

687
00:31:22,727 --> 00:31:26,207
Speaker 1: to find out. Firstly, in this particular town in the Netherlands,

688
00:31:27,247 --> 00:31:29,647
Speaker 1: they find accidentally that a woman who's a teacher, another

689
00:31:29,767 --> 00:31:31,567
Speaker 1: teacher at her school also he's a sperm donor. And

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00:31:31,607 --> 00:31:33,607
Speaker 1: then they discover it was the same sperm donor, and

691
00:31:33,647 --> 00:31:35,367
Speaker 1: at first they're like, oh hahaha, we should get the

692
00:31:35,407 --> 00:31:35,847
Speaker 1: kids together.

693
00:31:35,847 --> 00:31:36,927
Speaker 3: They're like half siblings.

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00:31:37,767 --> 00:31:42,087
Speaker 1: And then they find more and more people, and then

695
00:31:42,247 --> 00:31:45,887
Speaker 1: they realize, oh no, and more and more and more

696
00:31:45,927 --> 00:31:50,407
Speaker 1: people realize that this guy is actually trying to repopulate

697
00:31:50,527 --> 00:31:54,807
Speaker 1: the world. Essentially, Oh my gosh, there's way too well

698
00:31:54,807 --> 00:31:56,927
Speaker 1: that's a great question because he's not interviewed for this.

699
00:31:57,487 --> 00:31:59,687
Speaker 1: But my complaint about this is that it's a bit

700
00:31:59,767 --> 00:32:02,727
Speaker 1: cheesily done as the music and stuff, and there is

701
00:32:02,847 --> 00:32:10,047
Speaker 1: way too many shots of sperm in donation cups, way

702
00:32:10,287 --> 00:32:13,527
Speaker 1: too many depictions of sperm. Is upsetting is it's not

703
00:32:13,647 --> 00:32:17,447
Speaker 1: dangerous for like biodiversity. Yes, and this is the problem.

704
00:32:17,487 --> 00:32:19,087
Speaker 1: It's not just like, oh, what a kooky guy, and

705
00:32:19,127 --> 00:32:20,047
Speaker 1: oh how funny there's so.

706
00:32:19,967 --> 00:32:21,367
Speaker 3: Many kids around the community.

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00:32:21,647 --> 00:32:25,167
Speaker 1: It's actually a problem because if you were just having

708
00:32:25,287 --> 00:32:27,407
Speaker 1: children by having sex with women, there'd be sort of

709
00:32:27,447 --> 00:32:31,207
Speaker 1: a limit by geography and time. But if you're depositing

710
00:32:31,207 --> 00:32:33,327
Speaker 1: in sperm banks, not just in your country but in

711
00:32:33,327 --> 00:32:37,727
Speaker 1: countries all over the world, a single donation can make

712
00:32:38,087 --> 00:32:38,927
Speaker 1: twenty children.

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Speaker 3: Is that true?

714
00:32:40,127 --> 00:32:43,167
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so or more, you know, many many children.

715
00:32:43,527 --> 00:32:48,567
Speaker 1: And so as these women start to discover that it's

716
00:32:48,607 --> 00:32:51,607
Speaker 1: something called fertility fraud, that he's lying to them all,

717
00:32:51,887 --> 00:32:54,527
Speaker 1: it becomes a problem because these children, when they grow

718
00:32:54,607 --> 00:32:56,127
Speaker 1: up and they meet someone and they fall in love,

719
00:32:56,167 --> 00:32:59,327
Speaker 1: they might not know that they've got the same father biologically,

720
00:32:59,847 --> 00:33:03,847
Speaker 1: and they might have children and suddenly it's incest. And

721
00:33:03,887 --> 00:33:07,167
Speaker 1: so it looks at this fight that the women have

722
00:33:07,607 --> 00:33:10,807
Speaker 1: to stop him basically and sort of questions what his

723
00:33:10,887 --> 00:33:13,767
Speaker 1: motivation is. And there's an Australian lesbian couple in there

724
00:33:13,767 --> 00:33:16,927
Speaker 1: that are amazing. They sort of lead the charge, and

725
00:33:17,447 --> 00:33:20,567
Speaker 1: it talks about how they've had some gatherings between the

726
00:33:20,567 --> 00:33:22,327
Speaker 1: different mothers where the children have met, and all the

727
00:33:22,407 --> 00:33:25,767
Speaker 1: children look frighteningly alike, and there are whole Facebook groups

728
00:33:25,807 --> 00:33:28,207
Speaker 1: where they've all found each other. And it talks about

729
00:33:28,207 --> 00:33:30,447
Speaker 1: this instant connection that the children have with each other

730
00:33:30,647 --> 00:33:33,927
Speaker 1: because they share half of their DNA, so they've got

731
00:33:34,007 --> 00:33:36,687
Speaker 1: the same taste, they've got the same likes, they've got

732
00:33:36,687 --> 00:33:40,087
Speaker 1: similar personalities. So you know, there's one really frightening one

733
00:33:40,087 --> 00:33:42,127
Speaker 1: where this little girl comes home and they've been at

734
00:33:42,167 --> 00:33:44,087
Speaker 1: one of these gatherings, and she's about ten or eleven.

735
00:33:44,127 --> 00:33:46,567
Speaker 1: She says, I think I'm in love with you know,

736
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Speaker 1: Johan who is And the mother's like, no.

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Speaker 3: You can't be.

738
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Speaker 1: That's your brother, and she's like, but I've got feelings

739
00:33:51,327 --> 00:33:54,807
Speaker 1: for him. I think I love him. And anyway, it's

740
00:33:55,127 --> 00:33:59,687
Speaker 1: absolutely fascinating this idea of fertility fraud and Jonathan Meyer,

741
00:33:59,847 --> 00:34:02,887
Speaker 1: who is this Dutch guy, and how these women tried

742
00:34:02,887 --> 00:34:05,367
Speaker 1: to stop him, and also whether he's been stopped or

743
00:34:05,447 --> 00:34:08,247
Speaker 1: not now absolutely fascinating. It's on Netflix.

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Speaker 4: It is time for best and Worst. This is where

756
00:34:47,167 --> 00:34:49,527
Speaker 4: we share a little more from our personal lives. Holly,

757
00:34:49,647 --> 00:34:50,887
Speaker 4: what was your worst for this week?

758
00:34:51,847 --> 00:34:52,487
Speaker 1: Dog related?

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00:34:52,527 --> 00:34:54,967
Speaker 2: I'm taking Mia smot I spoke a few weeks ago

760
00:34:55,007 --> 00:34:57,407
Speaker 2: about how my baby Tuna, my beautiful little dog dog,

761
00:34:57,527 --> 00:35:00,247
Speaker 2: has hurt her leg, which she has she can't run around.

762
00:35:00,287 --> 00:35:02,767
Speaker 2: It's sad, but also I think she's been a bit

763
00:35:02,847 --> 00:35:03,887
Speaker 2: out of sorts since then.

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00:35:04,167 --> 00:35:07,447
Speaker 1: She's got the midyear memes means.

765
00:35:07,207 --> 00:35:09,247
Speaker 2: Right, and she can be a bit of an anxious poppy.

766
00:35:09,287 --> 00:35:11,807
Speaker 2: She's a rescue dog. She can be bit anxious anyway.

767
00:35:11,847 --> 00:35:14,127
Speaker 2: This week, because Brent and the kids were away and

768
00:35:14,167 --> 00:35:15,767
Speaker 2: I had to come up to the city for work,

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00:35:16,047 --> 00:35:18,127
Speaker 2: I put her in the dog kennel for a few days,

770
00:35:18,327 --> 00:35:18,967
Speaker 2: and you know, they.

771
00:35:19,007 --> 00:35:21,247
Speaker 1: Look after her very well there, but saying.

772
00:35:20,967 --> 00:35:25,047
Speaker 2: Goodbye to her that morning was really hard because she.

773
00:35:24,927 --> 00:35:27,087
Speaker 1: Doesn't like it when I leave. I she doesn't like

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00:35:27,167 --> 00:35:27,727
Speaker 1: being left.

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00:35:27,887 --> 00:35:29,367
Speaker 2: And I took her in the place and her little

776
00:35:29,407 --> 00:35:31,847
Speaker 2: tails down and her ears are down, and she can

777
00:35:31,847 --> 00:35:34,287
Speaker 2: seal the whites of her eyes and she's looking around

778
00:35:34,887 --> 00:35:36,367
Speaker 2: and you're just like sweety pie.

779
00:35:36,407 --> 00:35:37,887
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm coming back.

780
00:35:37,967 --> 00:35:39,687
Speaker 3: I promise it's only two sleep.

781
00:35:39,727 --> 00:35:41,287
Speaker 2: Since she's looking at me like, I don't speak, you're

782
00:35:41,287 --> 00:35:44,407
Speaker 2: weird like and then the lady was like trying to

783
00:35:44,447 --> 00:35:46,527
Speaker 2: take her off to the and she wouldn't go.

784
00:35:46,647 --> 00:35:47,687
Speaker 1: She kept pulling back to me.

785
00:35:47,847 --> 00:35:50,767
Speaker 2: And then I was like, oh, I'm such a bad dog. Anyway,

786
00:35:50,967 --> 00:35:51,847
Speaker 2: I had to walk to the door.

787
00:35:51,927 --> 00:35:56,967
Speaker 3: Then I'm like, bye, do good bye tonight.

788
00:35:57,167 --> 00:35:59,047
Speaker 1: Oh anyway, it makes me.

789
00:35:59,047 --> 00:36:00,927
Speaker 2: It's hilarious because the kids have been away too, and

790
00:36:00,967 --> 00:36:02,287
Speaker 2: I barely even thought about that.

791
00:36:03,567 --> 00:36:05,367
Speaker 1: Not true. I do love the children. My kids and

792
00:36:05,447 --> 00:36:07,847
Speaker 1: dogs have been away and it's been outstanding, one of

793
00:36:07,847 --> 00:36:08,927
Speaker 1: the best ways of my life.

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00:36:09,367 --> 00:36:11,967
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I cannot wait to be reunited with Tuna,

795
00:36:12,167 --> 00:36:16,687
Speaker 2: oh and the children. But my best is food related, right,

796
00:36:17,207 --> 00:36:18,487
Speaker 2: And I know that you two are going to go

797
00:36:18,887 --> 00:36:19,807
Speaker 2: because you don't.

798
00:36:19,647 --> 00:36:22,407
Speaker 4: Know I'm into recipes now, I'm inter recipe okay, good, Yeah,

799
00:36:22,407 --> 00:36:23,847
Speaker 4: I've got to have to cook now.

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00:36:23,887 --> 00:36:25,567
Speaker 2: But when I was feeling a bit poorly, I got

801
00:36:25,567 --> 00:36:27,847
Speaker 2: this craving, you know, when you're just like your body

802
00:36:27,887 --> 00:36:31,607
Speaker 2: knows what it needs. And I really wanted hardy, nourishing food.

803
00:36:31,647 --> 00:36:33,247
Speaker 2: And I remember that one of my favorite things in

804
00:36:33,247 --> 00:36:35,247
Speaker 2: the world is dal. You know what darl is, right,

805
00:36:35,527 --> 00:36:37,927
Speaker 2: Indian lent of curry. And I was about to hear

806
00:36:39,047 --> 00:36:43,327
Speaker 2: darl like hid as hi. Dahl is Indian lentil curry.

807
00:36:43,407 --> 00:36:46,407
Speaker 2: It is one I came across this. The thing that

808
00:36:46,407 --> 00:36:47,967
Speaker 2: made me think of it is I came across a

809
00:36:47,967 --> 00:36:51,687
Speaker 2: recipe for Dahl, a really easy one on Instagram, which

810
00:36:51,687 --> 00:36:54,327
Speaker 2: will put a link in. But you can find really great,

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00:36:54,367 --> 00:36:57,647
Speaker 2: really authentic recipes for dahl everywhere.

812
00:36:57,247 --> 00:36:58,687
Speaker 1: On the internet, and it's all easy.

813
00:36:59,447 --> 00:37:02,447
Speaker 2: But let me just tell you I've been eating dahl

814
00:37:03,527 --> 00:37:04,687
Speaker 2: solidly for a while.

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00:37:05,647 --> 00:37:06,807
Speaker 1: Yellow split peas.

816
00:37:06,527 --> 00:37:09,087
Speaker 2: So that's lentils dried and yeah, yeah, yeah, in a pan,

817
00:37:09,447 --> 00:37:10,127
Speaker 2: heavy bottomed pan.

818
00:37:10,967 --> 00:37:12,887
Speaker 1: Add a couple of cups of either water or stock.

819
00:37:13,247 --> 00:37:15,087
Speaker 3: Yep, easy, right, can do that.

820
00:37:15,327 --> 00:37:17,607
Speaker 2: Throw in a handful of cherry tomatoes.

821
00:37:17,807 --> 00:37:19,167
Speaker 3: This is a spinach to chop them.

822
00:37:19,287 --> 00:37:21,767
Speaker 2: No, this is the this is a spinach and tomato doll.

823
00:37:21,807 --> 00:37:25,647
Speaker 2: But you can put this is a spinach and tomato doll.

824
00:37:26,007 --> 00:37:28,447
Speaker 2: Throw in a handful of cherry tomatoes. Bang, throw in

825
00:37:28,487 --> 00:37:30,287
Speaker 2: a couple of blocks of frozen spinach. Or if you

826
00:37:30,367 --> 00:37:32,327
Speaker 2: have real spinach around, chop it up, put it in

827
00:37:32,767 --> 00:37:34,807
Speaker 2: and then all you do then is you literally put

828
00:37:34,847 --> 00:37:37,127
Speaker 2: on You can either curry powder if you've got curry powder,

829
00:37:37,207 --> 00:37:41,007
Speaker 2: or garam masala, which is like another spice. Sprinkle it

830
00:37:41,047 --> 00:37:43,847
Speaker 2: in salt pepper, bring it to the boil, put it

831
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Speaker 2: down on zimmer stick the lid on twenty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, the easy.

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00:37:48,927 --> 00:37:50,367
Speaker 3: Very I'm actually very impressed with.

834
00:37:50,407 --> 00:37:53,047
Speaker 2: There is and most delicious. And you can make dull

835
00:37:53,127 --> 00:37:55,607
Speaker 2: more complicated if you want. You can chop up lots

836
00:37:55,607 --> 00:37:58,687
Speaker 2: of herbs and onion, and you can toast spices in

837
00:37:58,807 --> 00:38:00,327
Speaker 2: oil and put it on top. You can do all

838
00:38:00,327 --> 00:38:02,047
Speaker 2: that if you want, or you can just do that

839
00:38:02,047 --> 00:38:04,247
Speaker 2: that I just told you about, eat it with like

840
00:38:04,287 --> 00:38:05,607
Speaker 2: a dollup of natural yogurt on top.

841
00:38:05,647 --> 00:38:06,327
Speaker 1: If that's your thing.

842
00:38:07,007 --> 00:38:10,167
Speaker 2: It is so delicious, so for you, and if you

843
00:38:10,207 --> 00:38:13,207
Speaker 2: are if you've got the midwinter sads, just do it.

844
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Speaker 1: I like that that was my best, rediscovering no my

845
00:38:17,127 --> 00:38:19,727
Speaker 1: worst is interesting because I've been thinking about this all

846
00:38:19,767 --> 00:38:22,247
Speaker 1: week before I remembered what my word was, and my

847
00:38:22,327 --> 00:38:24,527
Speaker 1: word of the year being grace, was also about having

848
00:38:24,607 --> 00:38:29,247
Speaker 1: grace towards myself, because I'm fairly tough on myself, and

849
00:38:29,847 --> 00:38:34,807
Speaker 1: my worst this week has been my brain. My I

850
00:38:34,807 --> 00:38:37,127
Speaker 1: don't like talking about my ADHD very much because I

851
00:38:37,167 --> 00:38:38,647
Speaker 1: don't want to be defined by it and I don't

852
00:38:38,647 --> 00:38:40,487
Speaker 1: want to see my life through the lens of it.

853
00:38:41,047 --> 00:38:45,527
Speaker 1: But there are times where I really, really really batter

854
00:38:45,647 --> 00:38:48,007
Speaker 1: with it and it makes my life really really hard,

855
00:38:48,047 --> 00:38:49,167
Speaker 1: and it's been making.

856
00:38:48,927 --> 00:38:51,967
Speaker 3: My life really really hard lately.

857
00:38:52,247 --> 00:38:57,487
Speaker 2: And your steam do you think it's like this might

858
00:38:57,527 --> 00:38:59,287
Speaker 2: be a dumb question, and I apologize if it is.

859
00:38:59,327 --> 00:39:00,247
Speaker 1: But if you are.

860
00:39:00,247 --> 00:39:03,487
Speaker 2: Such thing as a dumb questionnai show if you are tired,

861
00:39:03,567 --> 00:39:04,847
Speaker 2: or if you are this, or if you are that.

862
00:39:04,927 --> 00:39:06,767
Speaker 2: Do you think that there are times when you struggle

863
00:39:06,807 --> 00:39:08,847
Speaker 2: more than others with your ADHD?

864
00:39:09,527 --> 00:39:11,807
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, which is why a lot of women aren't

865
00:39:11,847 --> 00:39:14,287
Speaker 1: diagnosed until they're in their footies, because things like hormones

866
00:39:14,327 --> 00:39:17,727
Speaker 1: can really affect it, stress can affect it. But for

867
00:39:17,927 --> 00:39:22,807
Speaker 1: me also because I manage it with medication, it's not

868
00:39:22,927 --> 00:39:29,247
Speaker 1: just an easy solution medication because it's different to Excelso

869
00:39:29,287 --> 00:39:34,047
Speaker 1: take medication for anxiety, and that's like it's not instant,

870
00:39:34,087 --> 00:39:35,887
Speaker 1: you don't feel it, like you just have it, and

871
00:39:35,927 --> 00:39:37,807
Speaker 1: it's sort of just if it's working in the right dose,

872
00:39:38,127 --> 00:39:41,327
Speaker 1: it takes the anxiety away or minimizes it, and you

873
00:39:41,367 --> 00:39:45,287
Speaker 1: might still have breakthrough anxiety. But the medication that is

874
00:39:45,567 --> 00:39:49,567
Speaker 1: prescribed for ADHD is a bit can be a bit rollercoastery,

875
00:39:50,287 --> 00:39:52,767
Speaker 1: and it's quite tiring to be on because what it

876
00:39:52,807 --> 00:39:57,127
Speaker 1: does is it makes you really sharp, and the sharpness

877
00:39:57,167 --> 00:39:59,327
Speaker 1: can bring with it some problems. It can make me

878
00:39:59,367 --> 00:40:01,887
Speaker 1: really intense. It can make me really have to work

879
00:40:01,927 --> 00:40:04,087
Speaker 1: all the time and not be able to rest. But

880
00:40:04,087 --> 00:40:05,767
Speaker 1: then when I'm not taking it, I can feel really

881
00:40:05,807 --> 00:40:10,207
Speaker 1: tired and really my brain's like just jumping around, so

882
00:40:10,287 --> 00:40:13,527
Speaker 1: like you can't when I just when you have an

883
00:40:13,567 --> 00:40:15,847
Speaker 1: issue like this, you just can't get away from it.

884
00:40:16,167 --> 00:40:19,487
Speaker 1: You can try to treat it, but it's just getting

885
00:40:19,527 --> 00:40:21,447
Speaker 1: I'm just getting in my way, and it's just that

886
00:40:21,607 --> 00:40:25,927
Speaker 1: sense of things that should be easy are just really

887
00:40:25,967 --> 00:40:28,327
Speaker 1: really hard for me at the moment. And it just

888
00:40:28,407 --> 00:40:31,607
Speaker 1: makes it's like trying to walk through quicksand it's just

889
00:40:31,927 --> 00:40:36,407
Speaker 1: really really hard. So yeah, that's my worst. My best

890
00:40:36,687 --> 00:40:42,647
Speaker 1: is managing a really really tricky episode of No Filter

891
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Speaker 1: this week that I've wanted to do for years and

892
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Speaker 1: years and years. And I seem like I often say that,

893
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Speaker 1: but lately I've landed a lot of people who have

894
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Speaker 1: wanted to talk to for ages, and Dassi Earlick as

895
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Speaker 1: one of them. Dassi is an extraordinary woman from Melbourne

896
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Speaker 1: who was sexually abused by the headmistress at her very

897
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Speaker 1: religious school in Melbourne, was an all girls school called

898
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Speaker 1: at Us and she was part of a very very religious,

899
00:41:08,647 --> 00:41:14,727
Speaker 1: ultra author Jewish community in Melbourne, and she fought to

900
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Speaker 1: bring this teacher, who was immediately spirited out of the

901
00:41:17,927 --> 00:41:22,847
Speaker 1: country by the school to protect the abuser and to

902
00:41:22,887 --> 00:41:26,647
Speaker 1: protect themselves and sent, you know, spirited back to Israel.

903
00:41:26,687 --> 00:41:29,087
Speaker 1: And then Darcy and her sisters, who were also abused

904
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Speaker 1: by Malkhalifa, fought for years and years and years and

905
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Speaker 1: years and years to bring her back to Australia to

906
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Speaker 1: face justice, which finally she did and last year she

907
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Speaker 1: was sentenced or the year four she was sentenced to

908
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Speaker 1: fifteen years and she's currently serving those in prison. And

909
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Speaker 1: Darcy's written this amazing books called In Good Faith, and

910
00:41:46,807 --> 00:41:50,007
Speaker 1: it's about her life. And what's amazing about Darcy is

911
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Speaker 1: that by the time Malkalafa came along, because of the

912
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Speaker 1: way in which she was brought up, like in any

913
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Speaker 1: ultra religious community, those children and girls and boys, but

914
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Speaker 1: girls in particular are sitting ducks for abuse because they

915
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Speaker 1: don't even know the names of their body parts, they

916
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Speaker 1: have no for of sex education, they have no contact

917
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Speaker 1: with the outside world, so anyone that might be able

918
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Speaker 1: to mandatory report, they don't have words even to describe

919
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Speaker 1: the abuse that they suffer, whether it's within the marriages

920
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Speaker 1: that they are forced into or at the hands of

921
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Speaker 1: other people. And in this case it was Dassy's head mistress.

922
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Speaker 1: And it's just it's an incredible story and what she

923
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Speaker 1: had experienced before she even met Malkhalefa was shocking and

924
00:42:36,087 --> 00:42:39,967
Speaker 1: what the story ultimately is is And I cried during

925
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Speaker 1: this interview, not during the awful parts, but at the

926
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Speaker 1: end when I was talking to her about how she's

927
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Speaker 1: got through it and her life and her hope and

928
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Speaker 1: her survival. Because humans are extraordinary people extraordinary creatures, the

929
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Speaker 1: resilience that she's shown, the hope and the optimism, and

930
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Speaker 1: the fact that yeah, it's just it was a beautiful story.

931
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Speaker 1: And I'm just so I'm always very very anxious about

932
00:43:04,447 --> 00:43:07,807
Speaker 1: those stories because it is a big responsibility telling them

933
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Speaker 1: in a way that does justice to them and that

934
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Speaker 1: takes care of them, as you know, as a survivor

935
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Speaker 1: of abuse. And yeah, it's it's a beautiful episode, and

936
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Speaker 1: Dussy's really happy with it. So have a listen to that.

937
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Speaker 1: We'll put a link in the show notes and in

938
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Speaker 1: the newsletter as well.

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Speaker 4: My worst is what I'm going to call the downfall,

940
00:43:27,647 --> 00:43:32,367
Speaker 4: the decline, the demise of diet coke. Allow me to explain.

941
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Speaker 4: When I was away, I go sit down. I'm not

942
00:43:36,687 --> 00:43:39,127
Speaker 4: a big drinker. I might say, every now and then,

943
00:43:39,167 --> 00:43:40,887
Speaker 4: can I have a diet coke? When I order or

944
00:43:40,927 --> 00:43:42,487
Speaker 4: look for a diet coke, I really feel like one,

945
00:43:42,527 --> 00:43:44,767
Speaker 4: and it's a real treat. But they would say, oh,

946
00:43:44,847 --> 00:43:47,487
Speaker 4: coke zero, and I was like, oh, you've misunderstood. Coke

947
00:43:47,567 --> 00:43:50,007
Speaker 4: zero not the same as diet coke. That it's completely different.

948
00:43:50,527 --> 00:43:53,127
Speaker 4: Diet coke is a good drink. Coke zero tastes like

949
00:43:53,287 --> 00:43:53,807
Speaker 4: battery us.

950
00:43:53,847 --> 00:43:55,447
Speaker 1: But what's the actual difference.

951
00:43:56,887 --> 00:43:59,407
Speaker 4: They have different chemicals that are not good for us,

952
00:43:59,807 --> 00:44:00,887
Speaker 4: but like a different.

953
00:44:01,047 --> 00:44:02,967
Speaker 3: They taste different. They taste so different.

954
00:44:03,447 --> 00:44:07,727
Speaker 4: Different recipe and diet coke I'm a big fan of

955
00:44:07,847 --> 00:44:09,687
Speaker 4: and that felt very big, Like ten years.

956
00:44:09,687 --> 00:44:10,927
Speaker 1: They've got a very good brand.

957
00:44:11,047 --> 00:44:11,767
Speaker 3: Is it diet?

958
00:44:13,047 --> 00:44:13,287
Speaker 4: Yeah?

959
00:44:13,407 --> 00:44:16,047
Speaker 1: But phasing it out? Is that the moral? Yes?

960
00:44:16,367 --> 00:44:18,327
Speaker 4: I think they're phasing it out. So what has happened

961
00:44:18,327 --> 00:44:20,167
Speaker 4: to me is I will be out and about, like

962
00:44:20,207 --> 00:44:21,567
Speaker 4: I'll even be at work and I'll go, oh, go

963
00:44:21,567 --> 00:44:24,647
Speaker 4: get diet coke and every shop I walk into they've

964
00:44:24,767 --> 00:44:27,167
Speaker 4: just got coke zero and full strength.

965
00:44:27,167 --> 00:44:30,407
Speaker 1: Do you think that's because the word diets become a negative?

966
00:44:31,007 --> 00:44:31,567
Speaker 3: I wonder.

967
00:44:31,687 --> 00:44:35,607
Speaker 1: I mean, coke zero sounds cool, but diet coke coke zero.

968
00:44:35,727 --> 00:44:38,687
Speaker 4: Like like people get it. It's just completely different. And

969
00:44:38,727 --> 00:44:41,127
Speaker 4: even I also really like pepsi max. But there are

970
00:44:41,127 --> 00:44:44,367
Speaker 4: lots of people that's really mean is that diet pepsy

971
00:44:44,527 --> 00:44:48,127
Speaker 4: you get your tea? There used to be and then

972
00:44:48,167 --> 00:44:50,247
Speaker 4: they phase that out as well, and they think we

973
00:44:50,287 --> 00:44:54,567
Speaker 4: don't notice. But people with a preference for their can

974
00:44:54,607 --> 00:44:57,087
Speaker 4: of soft drink can't. We can't do a bait and

975
00:44:57,087 --> 00:44:58,767
Speaker 4: switch I have an addiction.

976
00:44:58,847 --> 00:44:59,047
Speaker 3: Now.

977
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Speaker 1: I think there's not enough of you. It's like the

978
00:45:01,887 --> 00:45:03,967
Speaker 1: Witchery theory, you know, like all the people that say,

979
00:45:03,967 --> 00:45:05,967
Speaker 1: I know what we treat to change, Well, maybe you

980
00:45:05,967 --> 00:45:07,047
Speaker 1: should have gone on board a top.

981
00:45:07,207 --> 00:45:08,927
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think it's true. I think that

982
00:45:09,247 --> 00:45:11,407
Speaker 4: poll who like diet coke need to unionize.

983
00:45:11,567 --> 00:45:14,287
Speaker 1: Soft drinks are not it, Jesse, that's why.

984
00:45:14,527 --> 00:45:18,367
Speaker 4: Oh you've upset everyone, and by that, I mean you've

985
00:45:18,447 --> 00:45:23,127
Speaker 4: upset me. My best is I went to a concert

986
00:45:23,127 --> 00:45:26,487
Speaker 4: on Saturday night out again. Go to a lot of concerts,

987
00:45:26,527 --> 00:45:28,407
Speaker 4: but I went to see Missy Higgins at the IC

988
00:45:28,447 --> 00:45:28,847
Speaker 4: six States.

989
00:45:29,407 --> 00:45:34,607
Speaker 3: Do remember never go that fark live with.

990
00:45:37,167 --> 00:45:39,207
Speaker 1: Missy friend of the pod. I really wanted to go

991
00:45:39,247 --> 00:45:41,447
Speaker 1: and see that concert, but I can't sit through concerts.

992
00:45:41,927 --> 00:45:44,327
Speaker 1: I felt terrible that I didn't go because I love

993
00:45:44,407 --> 00:45:46,247
Speaker 1: her so much. I love listening to a music, but

994
00:45:46,287 --> 00:45:48,007
Speaker 1: I can't sit and watch a constabull shot. You went

995
00:45:48,047 --> 00:45:49,287
Speaker 1: to Taylor Swift different.

996
00:45:49,607 --> 00:45:52,767
Speaker 2: I am dancing and I'm going the first August or

997
00:45:52,767 --> 00:45:54,087
Speaker 2: second something States Theater.

998
00:45:53,967 --> 00:45:56,367
Speaker 3: Something or somewhere I can away.

999
00:45:57,127 --> 00:45:59,407
Speaker 1: I love her too. I think missus an out louder.

1000
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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm Missy so when I was thirteen, Miss Higgins

1001
00:46:04,407 --> 00:46:06,047
Speaker 4: was the first concert I ever went to. I went

1002
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Speaker 4: to Darling Harbor and I saw her. She was on

1003
00:46:07,967 --> 00:46:10,607
Speaker 4: like a thing in the water. That's weird your memory. Anyway,

1004
00:46:10,767 --> 00:46:14,087
Speaker 4: she was the first person I ever loved, and like,

1005
00:46:14,167 --> 00:46:17,127
Speaker 4: I really liked her music, not because everyone else liked it.

1006
00:46:17,287 --> 00:46:18,727
Speaker 3: Like I remember in primary school, it's like.

1007
00:46:18,727 --> 00:46:21,887
Speaker 4: If everyone loves Nelly Fotato, you pretend like you do.

1008
00:46:21,967 --> 00:46:24,887
Speaker 4: But what Missy Higgins did for me at a moment

1009
00:46:25,007 --> 00:46:28,567
Speaker 4: in my life to be transported back there. She said

1010
00:46:28,567 --> 00:46:31,287
Speaker 4: this great thing, which was like, you know, there's thousands

1011
00:46:31,327 --> 00:46:32,967
Speaker 4: of people in the ICC, and she was like, it's

1012
00:46:32,967 --> 00:46:36,287
Speaker 4: so weird that everyone's transported back to twenty years ago,

1013
00:46:36,487 --> 00:46:39,087
Speaker 4: whatever you were doing, wherever you were in your life.

1014
00:46:39,127 --> 00:46:42,447
Speaker 4: All these memories are just kind of circulating.

1015
00:46:43,007 --> 00:46:45,407
Speaker 1: And that album, true, it was a sad track of

1016
00:46:45,447 --> 00:46:46,047
Speaker 1: our life.

1017
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Speaker 6: It was.

1018
00:46:46,927 --> 00:46:49,007
Speaker 1: I love her music so much and did.

1019
00:46:49,807 --> 00:46:50,567
Speaker 3: When I had Luna.

1020
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Speaker 4: For some reason, I don't usually listen to music at home.

1021
00:46:52,767 --> 00:46:54,927
Speaker 4: I usually listen to podcasts, but I just sounded white.

1022
00:46:54,927 --> 00:46:57,287
Speaker 4: It was on and it just brought me, brought me back.

1023
00:46:57,687 --> 00:47:01,527
Speaker 4: And she's got this new album coming out which sounds amazing.

1024
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Speaker 4: It is all about her separation, and it reminded me

1025
00:47:03,927 --> 00:47:06,007
Speaker 4: of you know, Adele wrote easy on Me like and

1026
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Speaker 4: it was this soundtrack that we hadn't really heard like

1027
00:47:08,087 --> 00:47:10,887
Speaker 4: women talking about that periods. So that's coming out that

1028
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Speaker 4: I'm excited about. And she sung this song called Song

1029
00:47:13,487 --> 00:47:15,647
Speaker 4: for Sammy, which is a song she wrote like a

1030
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Speaker 4: lullaby for her first born. And anyone who is in

1031
00:47:18,927 --> 00:47:20,647
Speaker 4: the period of having a newborn or you've ever had

1032
00:47:20,687 --> 00:47:23,767
Speaker 4: a newborn, just listen to that, because I don't think

1033
00:47:23,767 --> 00:47:26,927
Speaker 4: I've ever heard it captured so perfectly. Like you have

1034
00:47:27,007 --> 00:47:31,567
Speaker 4: to listen above to hear that.

1035
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Speaker 2: That is all we've got time for today and this

1036
00:47:34,167 --> 00:47:36,727
Speaker 2: week out loud as we hope that you are not

1037
00:47:36,807 --> 00:47:38,047
Speaker 2: feeling a my year slump.

1038
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Speaker 1: We hope that.

1039
00:47:39,367 --> 00:47:41,367
Speaker 2: You've blown off some steam with us today and you

1040
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Speaker 2: go into a weekend feeling you know, sang win sanguin.

1041
00:47:46,687 --> 00:47:48,287
Speaker 3: I've never said that word out loud.

1042
00:47:48,127 --> 00:47:53,207
Speaker 1: Sanguine, sanguinetine. It's sanguine, sanguine, sang me. It's kind of like,

1043
00:47:53,207 --> 00:47:54,727
Speaker 1: what does it mean? What do you think sanguine means?

1044
00:47:54,727 --> 00:47:56,287
Speaker 1: It means like I think of it as being like

1045
00:47:56,367 --> 00:48:00,207
Speaker 1: peace reflected like sanguine exactly it.

1046
00:48:00,327 --> 00:48:01,767
Speaker 2: It's time for us all to have a little bit

1047
00:48:01,847 --> 00:48:03,767
Speaker 2: of sanguinity.

1048
00:48:05,007 --> 00:48:06,807
Speaker 1: Now we're just making up words.

1049
00:48:06,487 --> 00:48:06,767
Speaker 4: That's what.

1050
00:48:10,287 --> 00:48:12,767
Speaker 2: Thank you, out louders. Thank you to our amazing team.

1051
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Speaker 2: This episode was produced by Emiline Gazillas. The assistant producer

1052
00:48:16,047 --> 00:48:18,727
Speaker 2: is Charlie Blackman. We've had audio production from Leah.

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Speaker 1: Porge's and we will see you next week.

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Speaker 3: Bye bye.

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Speaker 4: Shout out to any Mum and MEA subscribers listening. If

1056
00:48:29,687 --> 00:48:31,687
Speaker 4: you love the show and you want to support us,

1057
00:48:31,927 --> 00:48:34,687
Speaker 4: subscribing to Mom and Mia is the very best way

1058
00:48:34,767 --> 00:48:37,327
Speaker 4: to do so. There's a link in the episode description.