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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix.

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Speaker 3: I'm Cassna Leu.

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Speaker 4: Kidd and I'm Laura Bredneck.

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Speaker 1: And on today's show, we are going to break down

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Speaker 1: the reunion that just lit up social media and gave

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Speaker 1: be breaking down the Nicola Pelts and Brooklyn Beckham vur renewal.

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Speaker 1: But for something very exciting and the reason that this

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Speaker 1: show is coming out a little bit later today.

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Speaker 2: Yes, if you felt that little bump at twelve past

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Speaker 2: two in Australia, that was the world stopping turning because

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Speaker 2: Taylor Allison Swift breadcrumbs that she was making a big

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Speaker 2: announcement and that happened via his podcast with his brother Jason.

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Speaker 2: So the Kelsey brothers have a podcast called in the Heights,

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Speaker 2: which I think it's said to say I wouldn't know existed,

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Speaker 2: and I'm going to say you wouldn't know existed if

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Speaker 2: it wasn't for the Taylor Surf factor.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: And I think that their viewers listeners have gone up substantially, subtly, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: substantially since Taylor Swift and Travis started dating.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so his relationship has left Teilisoft fans down some

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Speaker 2: dark paths. It's led us to a football podcast. But

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Speaker 2: the Heights podcast surface and it was referencing Taylor Swift

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Speaker 2: was going to be a big announcement at twelve past twelve,

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Speaker 2: which was two past twelve Sydney time. So two past twelve,

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Speaker 2: our whole podcast team gathered around a computer.

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Speaker 1: I can't even explain to you the energy in the

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Speaker 3: What was going to happen.

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Speaker 1: All we saw was a glittery orange screen and a

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Speaker 1: going to be on Travis's podcast. Those breadcrumbs have been

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Speaker 2: This is my brand new album, The Life of a Showgirls.

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Speaker 2: And so she's blurred out the album holding it up.

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Speaker 2: So it's her twelfth studio album, and it was announced

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Speaker 3: At twelf past twelve, Are You're Swifty? I like Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 1: I was more excited by the energy in the office

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Speaker 3: But I've got to say it was like.

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Speaker 2: Yes, when I first saw the photos, I thought, oh,

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Speaker 2: So it was like, this is my mother's dress and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've actually said a photo of him, So I

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Speaker 1: I mean, the thing that I found quite interesting is

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Speaker 3: That is the sense that I got from this.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So my sense on this is the Beckham family

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Speaker 2: and put them in a legal statement.

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00:20:32,304 --> 00:20:35,904
Speaker 3: They are on my IMDb, and then they were like and.

431
00:20:35,864 --> 00:20:37,744
Speaker 2: Then they fumbled the ball and it was this whole

432
00:20:37,744 --> 00:20:40,144
Speaker 2: thing about missing money. So that whole legal situation was

433
00:20:40,144 --> 00:20:42,304
Speaker 2: settled in twenty twenty three, I think yes, and the

434
00:20:42,344 --> 00:20:45,744
Speaker 2: wedding planners ended up making like a charity contribution in

435
00:20:45,824 --> 00:20:49,024
Speaker 2: their name. But once all of that died down, I

436
00:20:49,024 --> 00:20:51,184
Speaker 2: think a lot of people had forgotten about the family

437
00:20:51,224 --> 00:20:53,464
Speaker 2: feud side of it because the wedding feud side had

438
00:20:53,984 --> 00:20:55,024
Speaker 2: become so prevalent.

439
00:20:55,144 --> 00:20:57,064
Speaker 3: Yeah, that had overtaken a little bit.

440
00:20:57,184 --> 00:20:59,504
Speaker 2: It's such an Instagram family. Then we started seeing Nikola

441
00:20:59,624 --> 00:21:02,424
Speaker 2: with the Beckham family a little different events. She went

442
00:21:02,464 --> 00:21:05,184
Speaker 2: to Victoria's like one of her big runway shows, dressed

443
00:21:05,224 --> 00:21:07,664
Speaker 2: head to toe on the Victoria Beckham label. But then

444
00:21:07,664 --> 00:21:09,664
Speaker 2: the video came out, just that video where it looks

445
00:21:09,704 --> 00:21:12,384
Speaker 2: like she has her to Victoria when they're talking and

446
00:21:12,424 --> 00:21:14,864
Speaker 2: Brooklyn keeps trying to turn her around as she keeps

447
00:21:14,904 --> 00:21:17,784
Speaker 2: turning back. And it's hard because one side of that,

448
00:21:17,864 --> 00:21:20,184
Speaker 2: like you could be thinking like she was just talking

449
00:21:20,224 --> 00:21:22,584
Speaker 2: to someone at an event, and anything can look weird

450
00:21:22,624 --> 00:21:25,184
Speaker 2: of capturing the wrong angle. But people did take it

451
00:21:25,184 --> 00:21:26,904
Speaker 2: as a sign that she went to the event, wore

452
00:21:26,944 --> 00:21:30,144
Speaker 2: the close but then snubbed to Victoria in open, and

453
00:21:30,184 --> 00:21:33,264
Speaker 2: that was like the first time that the feud reignited.

454
00:21:33,624 --> 00:21:36,384
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it just seems to have deteriorated from there,

455
00:21:36,424 --> 00:21:38,864
Speaker 1: and I feel like maybe after they got married, it

456
00:21:38,904 --> 00:21:41,104
Speaker 1: was like, let's play happy families, let's make this work,

457
00:21:41,864 --> 00:21:46,704
Speaker 1: and it's just gotten worse and worse and worse. I think,

458
00:21:47,024 --> 00:21:50,304
Speaker 1: particularly this year, there's been a lot of rumors that

459
00:21:50,424 --> 00:21:52,904
Speaker 1: Brooklyn has now gone no contact. We've seen a lot

460
00:21:52,944 --> 00:21:56,504
Speaker 1: of social media on following, you know, not engaging, not

461
00:21:56,584 --> 00:22:00,904
Speaker 1: going to David's birthday party, not going to the shows,

462
00:22:00,944 --> 00:22:03,224
Speaker 1: like all of these little things that started to build up,

463
00:22:03,224 --> 00:22:05,104
Speaker 1: build up, build up, And then there was the whole

464
00:22:05,184 --> 00:22:08,584
Speaker 1: Cruise Beckham Instagram notes thing.

465
00:22:08,904 --> 00:22:10,224
Speaker 2: Yeah so if you.

466
00:22:10,224 --> 00:22:13,944
Speaker 1: Do, I don't know. Basically, Cruise posted on Instagram notes

467
00:22:14,384 --> 00:22:17,624
Speaker 1: a number of kind of cryptic not so cryptic, but

468
00:22:17,784 --> 00:22:22,424
Speaker 1: it wasn't directed or commented on anyone's particular profile, but

469
00:22:22,544 --> 00:22:24,704
Speaker 1: he just put them in his note and it went

470
00:22:25,464 --> 00:22:29,144
Speaker 1: some of them, including you're a fraud, You're a dick now,

471
00:22:29,504 --> 00:22:33,304
Speaker 1: oh it's Stockholm syndrome, and then whole family.

472
00:22:34,544 --> 00:22:36,864
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to take that in any other way.

473
00:22:36,984 --> 00:22:40,384
Speaker 3: It's really, really, really hard knowing what we know.

474
00:22:40,464 --> 00:22:44,104
Speaker 1: About the fact that there was a feud that isn't

475
00:22:44,144 --> 00:22:48,184
Speaker 1: directed at Brooklyn. By the way, we don't have any

476
00:22:48,264 --> 00:22:53,424
Speaker 1: confirmation from anybody. Oh but that hair affirming and or

477
00:22:53,504 --> 00:22:55,744
Speaker 1: denying that these were directed at them.

478
00:22:55,784 --> 00:22:57,144
Speaker 3: But it's very, very.

479
00:22:56,944 --> 00:23:02,744
Speaker 1: Difficult to avoid that, particularly like whole family and the

480
00:23:02,784 --> 00:23:06,424
Speaker 1: Stockholm syndrome thing is very interesting to me as well,

481
00:23:06,504 --> 00:23:08,184
Speaker 1: like if we were to kind of look into that

482
00:23:08,264 --> 00:23:11,464
Speaker 1: a little bit more, the Peltz family have taken Brooklyn

483
00:23:11,504 --> 00:23:15,704
Speaker 1: in and now he's part of the Pelts dynasty rather

484
00:23:15,704 --> 00:23:16,904
Speaker 1: than the Beckham dynasty.

485
00:23:17,064 --> 00:23:20,904
Speaker 2: Well, he wears Nelson Peltz's clothes. A few times they've

486
00:23:20,904 --> 00:23:22,944
Speaker 2: done like a watsta bag, what are we wearing? He like,

487
00:23:22,984 --> 00:23:26,144
Speaker 2: these are Nelson's pants and jacket. And again that's not

488
00:23:26,184 --> 00:23:29,184
Speaker 2: a cost cutting measure from these billionaire families. I think

489
00:23:29,224 --> 00:23:31,504
Speaker 2: he just it really like looks up to his father

490
00:23:31,544 --> 00:23:33,544
Speaker 2: in law's so in the kind of world that he

491
00:23:33,624 --> 00:23:35,104
Speaker 2: was like, I will wear that man's pants.

492
00:23:35,224 --> 00:23:35,664
Speaker 3: Literally.

493
00:23:35,984 --> 00:23:37,944
Speaker 2: The other thing is that a lot of the people

494
00:23:37,984 --> 00:23:40,904
Speaker 2: think the feuds started with the whole shared girlfriend thing

495
00:23:40,944 --> 00:23:44,944
Speaker 2: that Brooklyn had potentially had Romeo's girlfriend, and then the

496
00:23:44,984 --> 00:23:48,664
Speaker 2: whole story was that then Brooklyn and Nikola wouldn't come

497
00:23:48,704 --> 00:23:52,224
Speaker 2: to David's fiftieth because of the whole Romeo situation, and

498
00:23:52,304 --> 00:23:54,904
Speaker 2: so they said, can we come to the city that

499
00:23:54,944 --> 00:23:56,504
Speaker 2: the party was in and can we see you are

500
00:23:56,544 --> 00:24:00,104
Speaker 2: separate to the party, and apparently David said, we're a family.

501
00:24:00,184 --> 00:24:01,864
Speaker 2: You come to the party or you don't come at all,

502
00:24:01,904 --> 00:24:06,064
Speaker 2: So they didn't. And then David posted a photo with

503
00:24:06,304 --> 00:24:09,304
Speaker 2: Romeo and Cruz his two other sons on a fishing

504
00:24:09,344 --> 00:24:11,304
Speaker 2: trip and then said in the option along the lines

505
00:24:11,344 --> 00:24:13,624
Speaker 2: of this is all I wish my birthday with my

506
00:24:13,744 --> 00:24:16,544
Speaker 2: sons out camping and fishing, and Brooklyn was like, very

507
00:24:16,544 --> 00:24:19,824
Speaker 2: notably not in the picture, which again I don't think

508
00:24:19,824 --> 00:24:21,624
Speaker 2: it was a SmackDown to Brooklyn. I think it was

509
00:24:21,704 --> 00:24:24,384
Speaker 2: kind of just a dad being like, this is what

510
00:24:24,424 --> 00:24:25,904
Speaker 2: I wanted for my birthday and I'm going to post

511
00:24:25,904 --> 00:24:28,784
Speaker 2: it because David beckhamum's an Instagram post. But it just

512
00:24:28,944 --> 00:24:30,864
Speaker 2: was this huge kind of flag to the world that

513
00:24:30,944 --> 00:24:31,824
Speaker 2: the feud was happening.

514
00:24:32,024 --> 00:24:36,424
Speaker 1: I think it's just very very very clear now that

515
00:24:36,784 --> 00:24:39,824
Speaker 1: this is not a rumor anymore. This is well and

516
00:24:39,904 --> 00:24:43,864
Speaker 1: truly happening. We just don't have official statements from people.

517
00:24:44,304 --> 00:24:46,624
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's very very clear that this is

518
00:24:46,664 --> 00:24:48,864
Speaker 2: feud has happened behind the scenes. I just don't think

519
00:24:48,904 --> 00:24:51,184
Speaker 2: we have the full story of what the catalyst was. Yeah,

520
00:24:51,184 --> 00:24:53,864
Speaker 2: I just think it's more than wedding drama. I think

521
00:24:53,864 --> 00:24:57,344
Speaker 2: it's more than like shared brother girlfriend drama, which seems

522
00:24:57,384 --> 00:24:59,424
Speaker 2: so in the past. I just feel like something so

523
00:24:59,504 --> 00:25:02,704
Speaker 2: much bigger has happened that will probably never have the

524
00:25:02,744 --> 00:25:04,024
Speaker 2: full story or context.

525
00:25:04,064 --> 00:25:08,584
Speaker 1: For My sense is that it is a power thing,

526
00:25:08,784 --> 00:25:13,184
Speaker 1: because sometime sometimes a feud can be kicked off by

527
00:25:13,224 --> 00:25:18,304
Speaker 1: something that seems very small and insignificant, and it can

528
00:25:18,424 --> 00:25:22,824
Speaker 1: snowball into something much larger. So I don't know if

529
00:25:22,864 --> 00:25:26,944
Speaker 1: maybe the catalyst was something really massive. It could have

530
00:25:27,064 --> 00:25:30,304
Speaker 1: been a million pin bricks, right. It could have been

531
00:25:31,064 --> 00:25:33,544
Speaker 1: Victoria making a comment about Nicola. It could have been

532
00:25:33,624 --> 00:25:38,264
Speaker 1: Nicola's mother calling Victoria. It could have been the dress,

533
00:25:38,504 --> 00:25:41,624
Speaker 1: you know, death by a thousand cuts. It could very

534
00:25:41,664 --> 00:25:42,224
Speaker 1: well be that.

535
00:25:42,664 --> 00:25:45,184
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, look, I one day we do find what's

536
00:25:45,224 --> 00:25:47,344
Speaker 2: going behind the scenes, but until then I look forward

537
00:25:47,344 --> 00:25:50,424
Speaker 2: to Brooklyn and Nicholas third wedding day, which I'm sure

538
00:25:50,424 --> 00:25:55,504
Speaker 2: will be beautiful. Okay, the other big romantic scandal of

539
00:25:55,544 --> 00:25:57,304
Speaker 2: the week, well, I have to say this isn't as

540
00:25:57,344 --> 00:26:00,184
Speaker 2: scandalous as it could be. There's a lot more drama

541
00:26:00,184 --> 00:26:01,544
Speaker 2: behind these scenes we're going to get into.

542
00:26:01,744 --> 00:26:02,904
Speaker 5: But the Jonas.

543
00:26:02,504 --> 00:26:05,344
Speaker 2: Brothers are out on Turre at the moment and you know,

544
00:26:05,384 --> 00:26:08,064
Speaker 2: singing their little hearts out on stage, and they've been

545
00:26:08,064 --> 00:26:11,344
Speaker 2: bringing out a few different guest performers, which has been lovely,

546
00:26:11,544 --> 00:26:13,584
Speaker 2: but a couple of days ago they brought out one

547
00:26:13,624 --> 00:26:17,704
Speaker 2: performer that fans just died over, and that was Demi Lovado.

548
00:26:18,224 --> 00:26:22,624
Speaker 1: Demi Lovado both of us, you know, a slightly older millennials.

549
00:26:22,784 --> 00:26:25,024
Speaker 1: If you don't know which, you will if you have

550
00:26:25,184 --> 00:26:29,304
Speaker 1: been on socials. Demi and Joe were both in Camp Rock,

551
00:26:29,624 --> 00:26:33,904
Speaker 1: a iconic Disney movie from two thousand and eight, which

552
00:26:34,024 --> 00:26:36,104
Speaker 1: has some of the cringiest moments in a Disney movie

553
00:26:36,144 --> 00:26:38,264
Speaker 1: that I've ever seen, but just like a really funny

554
00:26:38,264 --> 00:26:39,224
Speaker 1: and bring me a lot of joy.

555
00:26:39,544 --> 00:26:40,584
Speaker 3: But they had.

556
00:26:40,464 --> 00:26:44,184
Speaker 1: These big songs in Camp Rock one and Camp Rock

557
00:26:44,224 --> 00:26:48,464
Speaker 1: two and they sang them on stage. Demi looked stunning

558
00:26:48,544 --> 00:26:50,624
Speaker 1: she was wearing. I was like, where did those genes

559
00:26:50,664 --> 00:26:52,704
Speaker 1: come from? Because I wanted to buy them because they

560
00:26:52,704 --> 00:26:53,904
Speaker 1: were so gorgeous. I was like, I'm not going to

561
00:26:53,944 --> 00:26:55,864
Speaker 1: be able to afford them. If you want to know,

562
00:26:55,944 --> 00:26:58,064
Speaker 1: their acne jeans, and they've been sold out for like

563
00:26:58,184 --> 00:27:00,424
Speaker 1: two years, so oh well, but they were like fifteen

564
00:27:00,464 --> 00:27:02,784
Speaker 1: hundred old jeans, so yeah, that probably wasn't going to happen.

565
00:27:11,024 --> 00:27:13,184
Speaker 2: So demikin on stage and there was a huge reaction

566
00:27:13,224 --> 00:27:13,944
Speaker 2: from the audience.

567
00:27:13,984 --> 00:27:15,184
Speaker 4: And obviously we know the law.

568
00:27:15,264 --> 00:27:18,744
Speaker 2: They were both Disney kids, they were friends for a

569
00:27:18,904 --> 00:27:22,064
Speaker 2: very long time. I believe it was the cinematic masterpiece

570
00:27:22,144 --> 00:27:25,304
Speaker 2: Campbrook two where they decided to date and they were

571
00:27:25,304 --> 00:27:27,584
Speaker 2: together for a few months and they broke up. And

572
00:27:27,664 --> 00:27:29,744
Speaker 2: I think Disney fans have held that in their hearts

573
00:27:29,744 --> 00:27:30,344
Speaker 2: ever since.

574
00:27:30,744 --> 00:27:31,704
Speaker 4: I saw it pop up, and I.

575
00:27:31,744 --> 00:27:34,784
Speaker 2: Knew what a monumental occasion it was. In my brain,

576
00:27:34,824 --> 00:27:38,024
Speaker 2: I knew, but my heart didn't know, as some fans did.

577
00:27:38,064 --> 00:27:40,424
Speaker 2: So that's why we're going to bring in our producer, Manisha,

578
00:27:40,464 --> 00:27:42,624
Speaker 2: who was on the mic. Because you're a die hard

579
00:27:42,624 --> 00:27:44,944
Speaker 2: fan of the Jonah's brothers. You okay to admit that publicly?

580
00:27:45,104 --> 00:27:47,224
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm okay, okay.

581
00:27:47,384 --> 00:27:49,784
Speaker 7: Oh it's well known. I was at that concert. I

582
00:27:49,824 --> 00:27:52,264
Speaker 7: was in the mosh pit last year. Oh really, yeah,

583
00:27:52,264 --> 00:27:54,944
Speaker 7: I'm Jonahs brothers die hard. I have loved show from

584
00:27:54,944 --> 00:27:57,304
Speaker 7: the beginning of time, so this is a really big.

585
00:27:57,144 --> 00:27:58,864
Speaker 5: Deal to me and my fandom.

586
00:27:58,984 --> 00:28:01,424
Speaker 2: But I'm a show though, because I know everyone has

587
00:28:01,464 --> 00:28:03,424
Speaker 2: their Jonas brother Is it because he's meant to be kind?

588
00:28:04,744 --> 00:28:05,264
Speaker 4: I guess so?

589
00:28:05,584 --> 00:28:05,784
Speaker 6: Well?

590
00:28:05,824 --> 00:28:08,704
Speaker 7: You do mention the cinematic masterpiece Camp Brook two.

591
00:28:08,864 --> 00:28:11,784
Speaker 2: I mean, Joe is the star of is he never

592
00:28:11,824 --> 00:28:12,184
Speaker 2: seen it?

593
00:28:12,264 --> 00:28:14,584
Speaker 7: He's the lead, he was cast and then his brothers

594
00:28:14,624 --> 00:28:17,304
Speaker 7: actually got brought in after because the Jonas probably dad

595
00:28:17,504 --> 00:28:19,584
Speaker 7: negotiated a bit of a deal that the other two

596
00:28:19,584 --> 00:28:22,824
Speaker 7: are going to be in it. He's the lead, has

597
00:28:22,904 --> 00:28:27,024
Speaker 7: the romantic arc with Demi, and that is what the fans.

598
00:28:27,064 --> 00:28:29,344
Speaker 7: I mean, it is a cinematic masterpiece. To us, it's

599
00:28:29,384 --> 00:28:31,304
Speaker 7: I don't want to say it's our grease.

600
00:28:31,264 --> 00:28:33,224
Speaker 5: But it's because I'm going to get crucified.

601
00:28:33,504 --> 00:28:34,864
Speaker 4: But you can say it lives your truth.

602
00:28:34,984 --> 00:28:35,824
Speaker 5: I can live my truth.

603
00:28:35,824 --> 00:28:38,504
Speaker 7: It's that high school musical era Camp Rock era where

604
00:28:38,544 --> 00:28:40,584
Speaker 7: you see that on screen chemistry and they're singing these

605
00:28:40,624 --> 00:28:42,664
Speaker 7: beautiful songs to each other and you're like, God, I

606
00:28:42,704 --> 00:28:43,464
Speaker 7: hope that love.

607
00:28:43,344 --> 00:28:45,624
Speaker 5: Is real, and that love was real for two months?

608
00:28:45,704 --> 00:28:49,184
Speaker 2: Which two months two months I guess in your early twenties.

609
00:28:49,184 --> 00:28:51,624
Speaker 2: But isn't the story that they got together and had

610
00:28:51,624 --> 00:28:54,384
Speaker 2: a very serious talk about how it would affect their friendship,

611
00:28:54,504 --> 00:28:58,344
Speaker 2: which I've got to say, I don't believe given their ages,

612
00:28:58,504 --> 00:29:00,544
Speaker 2: they sat down had this mature. This is something that

613
00:29:00,544 --> 00:29:03,104
Speaker 2: the pr has told them to say later. But Joe

614
00:29:03,144 --> 00:29:06,784
Speaker 2: has also said that he broke up with Demi. Yeah,

615
00:29:06,784 --> 00:29:09,824
Speaker 2: apparently it was a text message. That is a real

616
00:29:09,864 --> 00:29:10,304
Speaker 2: thing with him.

617
00:29:10,384 --> 00:29:11,704
Speaker 4: Did he break up with her of a text message?

618
00:29:11,704 --> 00:29:12,624
Speaker 3: I think that's Taylor Swift.

619
00:29:12,824 --> 00:29:14,184
Speaker 5: I don't think that happened with Demi.

620
00:29:14,824 --> 00:29:16,944
Speaker 3: I saw that somewhere because they were.

621
00:29:16,824 --> 00:29:18,024
Speaker 5: Friends for a really good time.

622
00:29:18,304 --> 00:29:20,904
Speaker 7: And there's this really iconic video of them singing Wouldn't

623
00:29:20,984 --> 00:29:22,824
Speaker 7: Change a Thing, which is one of the songs that

624
00:29:22,824 --> 00:29:25,584
Speaker 7: they sang in this clip that's gone viral and they're

625
00:29:25,624 --> 00:29:28,064
Speaker 7: singing it and it's right after they've gone through a breakup,

626
00:29:28,144 --> 00:29:29,824
Speaker 7: and this is a song about.

627
00:29:29,624 --> 00:29:31,544
Speaker 5: You know, I Wouldn't change a thing, but we can't

628
00:29:31,584 --> 00:29:32,144
Speaker 5: make it work.

629
00:29:32,304 --> 00:29:34,384
Speaker 7: And they're singing that while going through a breakup, and

630
00:29:34,424 --> 00:29:36,384
Speaker 7: I think it just makes your heart.

631
00:29:37,744 --> 00:29:38,704
Speaker 4: You made her do it.

632
00:29:38,784 --> 00:29:41,024
Speaker 3: I have to say. When we're in our production meeting

633
00:29:41,024 --> 00:29:41,904
Speaker 3: this morning.

634
00:29:41,984 --> 00:29:44,344
Speaker 1: Literally we're talking about, Okay, which story we want to

635
00:29:44,344 --> 00:29:46,544
Speaker 1: talk about this, Mom was like, yes, yes, we have

636
00:29:46,584 --> 00:29:47,184
Speaker 1: to talk about it.

637
00:29:47,184 --> 00:29:48,784
Speaker 3: It was so good. It was so good.

638
00:29:48,504 --> 00:29:50,664
Speaker 1: We were like, Mom has to be involved in this

639
00:29:50,704 --> 00:29:54,824
Speaker 1: episode because you and I don't understand the excitement and

640
00:29:54,864 --> 00:29:58,184
Speaker 1: the nostalgia. And like, I saw a lot of comments

641
00:29:58,264 --> 00:30:00,744
Speaker 1: on socials of people being like this.

642
00:30:00,704 --> 00:30:04,144
Speaker 3: Healed my inner child, So like tell me, like, talk

643
00:30:04,224 --> 00:30:04,824
Speaker 3: me through that.

644
00:30:05,304 --> 00:30:07,384
Speaker 5: So I think I actually had that written down. I

645
00:30:07,424 --> 00:30:10,184
Speaker 5: was like, you're not in a child. Saved my teenage angst.

646
00:30:10,864 --> 00:30:12,624
Speaker 7: We've gone on a journey with them, Like I was

647
00:30:12,624 --> 00:30:16,464
Speaker 7: a little teenager romanticizing their love and then now it's

648
00:30:16,464 --> 00:30:17,744
Speaker 7: like they've both gone through so much.

649
00:30:17,824 --> 00:30:19,784
Speaker 5: Demi had a really hard time in her twenties.

650
00:30:19,824 --> 00:30:22,944
Speaker 7: She battled with a you know, eating disorders, mental health issues, addiction.

651
00:30:23,384 --> 00:30:25,744
Speaker 7: Now she's really happy. She's just freshly married. They have

652
00:30:25,784 --> 00:30:26,624
Speaker 7: a dog called Pickle.

653
00:30:26,744 --> 00:30:28,224
Speaker 5: They seem really happy.

654
00:30:28,584 --> 00:30:30,904
Speaker 7: Joe's like obviously been through divorce and lots of stuff

655
00:30:30,944 --> 00:30:33,064
Speaker 7: going on there, and it's just really nice to be like,

656
00:30:33,104 --> 00:30:35,864
Speaker 7: they've grown up, We've grown up. They're back on stage,

657
00:30:35,944 --> 00:30:38,104
Speaker 7: happy family. She's really good friends with the Nick Jonas

658
00:30:38,144 --> 00:30:39,944
Speaker 7: as well. They used to have a record label together,

659
00:30:40,064 --> 00:30:43,024
Speaker 7: so it's just like, wow, yeah, twenty fifteen record label.

660
00:30:43,024 --> 00:30:44,744
Speaker 7: A lot of rumors about whether there was something there,

661
00:30:44,744 --> 00:30:45,504
Speaker 7: which we won't go into.

662
00:30:45,544 --> 00:30:47,464
Speaker 2: Oh my god, she dated brothers. That's very in the

663
00:30:47,544 --> 00:30:48,864
Speaker 2: zeitgeist of her very summer.

664
00:30:49,704 --> 00:30:51,264
Speaker 7: She didn't actually date him, but there was a lot

665
00:30:51,264 --> 00:30:52,744
Speaker 7: of like she didn't go to the wedding because she's

666
00:30:52,784 --> 00:30:53,824
Speaker 7: actually in love with Nick.

667
00:30:54,144 --> 00:30:56,504
Speaker 2: But anyway, so god, I hope that's true. That's great

668
00:30:56,544 --> 00:30:58,904
Speaker 2: celebrity gossip because this is my only thing, Manisha. I

669
00:30:58,904 --> 00:31:01,024
Speaker 2: don't mean to shit on your fandom and your generation.

670
00:31:01,464 --> 00:31:03,344
Speaker 2: But everyone was like, oh my god, they're back on

671
00:31:03,424 --> 00:31:06,344
Speaker 2: stage together. And in my mind, I was like, haven't

672
00:31:06,344 --> 00:31:08,144
Speaker 2: they always kind of been okay with each other? Like,

673
00:31:08,144 --> 00:31:10,264
Speaker 2: haven't they been friendly over the years, They've been pitched

674
00:31:10,464 --> 00:31:13,704
Speaker 2: events together. They said they had this really lovely breakup

675
00:31:13,704 --> 00:31:15,184
Speaker 2: and they've been there for each other. Part of me

676
00:31:15,304 --> 00:31:17,144
Speaker 2: was like, talk to me when Taylor Swift comes out

677
00:31:17,184 --> 00:31:17,744
Speaker 2: on stage.

678
00:31:17,944 --> 00:31:18,584
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean?

679
00:31:18,664 --> 00:31:21,144
Speaker 7: Like with them, well, Taylor Swifts actually her and Joe.

680
00:31:21,144 --> 00:31:24,864
Speaker 7: I think she bought yeah, yeah, But I think it's

681
00:31:24,864 --> 00:31:27,384
Speaker 7: something different about visually seeing them bringing it back to

682
00:31:27,424 --> 00:31:29,704
Speaker 7: that song, Like that song This is Me is so emotive.

683
00:31:29,784 --> 00:31:31,664
Speaker 7: You haven't seen camp Brook, which you really should, Laura,

684
00:31:31,704 --> 00:31:35,024
Speaker 7: but the Pinnacle of sound like a campy movie that

685
00:31:35,104 --> 00:31:37,464
Speaker 7: I would love, the Pinnacle of the movie. She comes

686
00:31:37,464 --> 00:31:38,944
Speaker 7: out and she sings this is Me and she's this

687
00:31:38,984 --> 00:31:40,904
Speaker 7: girl who's been so hard done by and then he

688
00:31:40,944 --> 00:31:42,664
Speaker 7: comes out and they do the bridge together, and I

689
00:31:42,704 --> 00:31:47,544
Speaker 7: think just seeing them as adults, just reclaiming this beautiful moment, Well, Joe.

690
00:31:47,304 --> 00:31:49,424
Speaker 1: Says, he's like, I haven't sung this song in over

691
00:31:49,504 --> 00:31:52,384
Speaker 1: ten years, and like that's like a big part. It's

692
00:31:52,424 --> 00:31:54,464
Speaker 1: not necessarily that she was on the stage, is that

693
00:31:54,624 --> 00:31:56,384
Speaker 1: they sang those songs.

694
00:31:56,024 --> 00:32:11,304
Speaker 2: That moment in time. I also that he is trying

695
00:32:11,344 --> 00:32:14,184
Speaker 2: to redo his image from this heartbreaker, right, And I

696
00:32:14,224 --> 00:32:16,424
Speaker 2: know this all happened when they were early teen, so

697
00:32:16,464 --> 00:32:18,904
Speaker 2: we can't hold like he's a man in his thirties now,

698
00:32:19,304 --> 00:32:21,304
Speaker 2: But there was that whole thing. So the textans I

699
00:32:21,304 --> 00:32:23,984
Speaker 2: think you're talking about. Is when Taylor Swift said that

700
00:32:24,064 --> 00:32:26,424
Speaker 2: he broke up with her in a twenty five second

701
00:32:26,584 --> 00:32:30,584
Speaker 2: phone call and basically called her and said we're done.

702
00:32:30,664 --> 00:32:32,584
Speaker 2: And then she went on the Ellen de General show.

703
00:32:32,584 --> 00:32:34,984
Speaker 2: Am I repeating your culture correctly?

704
00:32:35,384 --> 00:32:38,544
Speaker 7: She broke forever and always about yes, like that song

705
00:32:38,624 --> 00:32:40,784
Speaker 7: is about him, and basically she was like, you know,

706
00:32:40,824 --> 00:32:42,664
Speaker 7: one day, I won't even remember a boy who broke

707
00:32:42,744 --> 00:32:44,744
Speaker 7: my heart in a twenty five second phone something.

708
00:32:44,824 --> 00:32:46,544
Speaker 3: That is the quote, Okay.

709
00:32:46,384 --> 00:32:48,544
Speaker 2: I feel like he's so he's like he's mended bridges

710
00:32:48,544 --> 00:32:51,104
Speaker 2: with Taylor Swift. He and Demi Levada were out on

711
00:32:51,184 --> 00:32:54,184
Speaker 2: stage like making things better. He recently said that he

712
00:32:54,224 --> 00:32:56,944
Speaker 2: and Sophie Turner after that whole debacle, they're in a

713
00:32:56,984 --> 00:32:59,184
Speaker 2: really good place and their co parenting together because he

714
00:32:59,304 --> 00:33:01,024
Speaker 2: was seen as like a heartbreaker, right, is he trying

715
00:33:01,064 --> 00:33:01,904
Speaker 2: to do like a redemption?

716
00:33:02,864 --> 00:33:05,584
Speaker 7: I could see that being where he's coming from. But

717
00:33:05,704 --> 00:33:09,144
Speaker 7: the little person in me wash cam Rock just wants

718
00:33:09,184 --> 00:33:10,904
Speaker 7: to believe. They wanted to get back on stage and

719
00:33:10,904 --> 00:33:13,584
Speaker 7: have this beautiful moment together and this is real, this

720
00:33:13,744 --> 00:33:15,864
Speaker 7: is them, this is where they're supposed to be now

721
00:33:15,984 --> 00:33:17,144
Speaker 7: as a song, co I.

722
00:33:17,144 --> 00:33:19,384
Speaker 1: Do have to say though, the Jonahs brothers have never

723
00:33:19,424 --> 00:33:21,184
Speaker 1: been like bye candy for me, but Jo.

724
00:33:21,184 --> 00:33:23,064
Speaker 3: Johns look real fun on that.

725
00:33:23,144 --> 00:33:27,264
Speaker 2: They've also when people rubbish Kevin, why do people hate Kevin?

726
00:33:27,264 --> 00:33:27,984
Speaker 2: Can you speak on that?

727
00:33:28,064 --> 00:33:30,304
Speaker 3: I feel because he's the speak on Can you speak?

728
00:33:30,344 --> 00:33:31,264
Speaker 4: Can you defend that?

729
00:33:31,304 --> 00:33:31,504
Speaker 2: Man?

730
00:33:31,544 --> 00:33:32,584
Speaker 4: He seems fine to me.

731
00:33:32,784 --> 00:33:35,304
Speaker 7: I think Kevin never got a lot of these romantic

732
00:33:35,584 --> 00:33:38,224
Speaker 7: arcs with people in the public eye that kind of

733
00:33:38,304 --> 00:33:40,584
Speaker 7: dress all in because he got married very young to

734
00:33:40,624 --> 00:33:41,344
Speaker 7: a hairdresser.

735
00:33:41,424 --> 00:33:43,024
Speaker 5: Just they met just quite quite organic.

736
00:33:42,904 --> 00:33:46,584
Speaker 4: Yeah, family holiday, right, Yeah, So he wasn't.

737
00:33:46,384 --> 00:33:49,544
Speaker 7: Really like I think in the heart throb zeitgeist as much.

738
00:33:49,624 --> 00:33:51,024
Speaker 5: But I think he has a lot to do with

739
00:33:51,104 --> 00:33:52,384
Speaker 5: the musical.

740
00:33:52,264 --> 00:33:56,024
Speaker 7: Greatness behind this wonderful in this band, they're not a

741
00:33:56,064 --> 00:33:58,144
Speaker 7: boy band because they play instruments, but behind.

742
00:33:57,824 --> 00:34:00,064
Speaker 3: This oh okay a second hang on.

743
00:34:00,584 --> 00:34:03,904
Speaker 1: Hansen always got told that they were a boy band,

744
00:34:03,944 --> 00:34:06,064
Speaker 1: but they play their instruments. And I remember when I

745
00:34:06,104 --> 00:34:08,744
Speaker 1: was a kid, Hanson, I was so Hanson, and my

746
00:34:08,904 --> 00:34:10,464
Speaker 1: family made fun of me because they were like, you

747
00:34:10,504 --> 00:34:11,304
Speaker 1: didn't play the drums.

748
00:34:11,344 --> 00:34:12,664
Speaker 3: That doesn't play the drums, and I was like.

749
00:34:12,664 --> 00:34:13,344
Speaker 1: Yes, it does.

750
00:34:13,584 --> 00:34:16,784
Speaker 2: They played their instruments I've seen them live and they're

751
00:34:16,824 --> 00:34:18,584
Speaker 2: great musicians, so that's yeah.

752
00:34:18,624 --> 00:34:21,464
Speaker 3: I feel like maybe Hans and are our Jonahs brothers.

753
00:34:21,584 --> 00:34:22,544
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say so.

754
00:34:22,584 --> 00:34:23,944
Speaker 2: But the thing is they all got married very young

755
00:34:23,984 --> 00:34:26,424
Speaker 2: and had ten kids each, so we didn't have these big,

756
00:34:26,784 --> 00:34:29,104
Speaker 2: like celebrity like entanglements.

757
00:34:29,184 --> 00:34:29,384
Speaker 6: Yeah.

758
00:34:29,424 --> 00:34:31,504
Speaker 2: Maybe it is why Nick and Joe were always seen

759
00:34:31,544 --> 00:34:34,304
Speaker 2: as the more popular ones, because they were always having

760
00:34:34,384 --> 00:34:37,544
Speaker 2: the wild romances. Just this week or like recently, Selena

761
00:34:37,584 --> 00:34:40,344
Speaker 2: Groemez went on Dake Shane's podcast Who I Love because

762
00:34:40,344 --> 00:34:41,904
Speaker 2: he just has this thing of like, I'm just a fan,

763
00:34:41,944 --> 00:34:44,024
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you all these inappropriate questions, but he

764
00:34:44,144 --> 00:34:46,064
Speaker 2: was asking a really light question about how she and

765
00:34:46,104 --> 00:34:49,344
Speaker 2: Taylor swift became best friends. And because see Selina's I

766
00:34:49,424 --> 00:34:50,664
Speaker 2: was laughing and she was like, I love that you

767
00:34:50,704 --> 00:34:53,584
Speaker 2: don't know this, and she's like, we dated the Jonahs brothers.

768
00:34:53,784 --> 00:34:54,944
Speaker 2: She's like, I dated.

769
00:34:54,704 --> 00:34:56,464
Speaker 5: Joe, No, cleated Nick.

770
00:34:56,544 --> 00:34:59,664
Speaker 2: Yes, I dated Nick and she dated Joan and no,

771
00:34:59,784 --> 00:35:01,904
Speaker 2: I know that Joe and Taylor law and that's how

772
00:35:01,944 --> 00:35:04,184
Speaker 2: they became best friends. And I feel like every woman

773
00:35:04,224 --> 00:35:07,544
Speaker 2: who's dated a Jonahs brother has a tale to tell,

774
00:35:08,024 --> 00:35:10,184
Speaker 2: wasn't it? Camilla Bell. I don't mean to rubbish your

775
00:35:10,584 --> 00:35:13,224
Speaker 2: boy band, who like she started dating Joe Jonas and

776
00:35:13,264 --> 00:35:14,784
Speaker 2: they broke up and then she like had to move

777
00:35:14,784 --> 00:35:16,544
Speaker 2: out and she had no money and couldn't pay her rent.

778
00:35:17,104 --> 00:35:19,824
Speaker 7: Look, I can't defend everything he's done in his personal life.

779
00:35:21,344 --> 00:35:23,624
Speaker 4: God, yes, me going through every relationship.

780
00:35:23,704 --> 00:35:25,664
Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying, like every woman who dates him

781
00:35:25,664 --> 00:35:27,904
Speaker 2: comes out and has some sort of a wild story

782
00:35:27,904 --> 00:35:28,224
Speaker 2: to tell.

783
00:35:28,704 --> 00:35:31,984
Speaker 7: True, he's a certified bad boy, but in this little

784
00:35:32,344 --> 00:35:34,784
Speaker 7: arc of story that's happened on social media, he's just

785
00:35:35,264 --> 00:35:37,544
Speaker 7: Shane from camp Rock bringing it back.

786
00:35:37,384 --> 00:35:39,664
Speaker 2: Reliving his name Shane and Camper Rock.

787
00:35:39,784 --> 00:35:41,704
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I did it like a little bit because

788
00:35:41,744 --> 00:35:43,584
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it either. All I've seen is the

789
00:35:43,584 --> 00:35:48,704
Speaker 1: clips of where it's like Camp Rock, like those yes, okay,

790
00:35:48,744 --> 00:35:50,944
Speaker 1: and then also saying the ones where Demi's going.

791
00:35:50,984 --> 00:35:54,264
Speaker 3: She's really good and it's kind of cringey.

792
00:35:54,384 --> 00:35:56,824
Speaker 2: But I feel like they made those poor Disney kids

793
00:35:56,824 --> 00:35:58,224
Speaker 2: do a lot of shit back in the day, right.

794
00:35:58,224 --> 00:36:01,704
Speaker 1: They did, but bless them. But in Camp Rock one

795
00:36:01,904 --> 00:36:04,704
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. One Shane is like dropped

796
00:36:04,704 --> 00:36:06,824
Speaker 1: off there because he's a bad boy, and then he's

797
00:36:06,824 --> 00:36:09,104
Speaker 1: like redemption arc is falling in love with Demi, who's

798
00:36:09,144 --> 00:36:12,944
Speaker 1: like kind of like the outcast girl who can't afford

799
00:36:12,944 --> 00:36:14,464
Speaker 1: to go to this really expensive music.

800
00:36:14,504 --> 00:36:15,944
Speaker 4: Okay, obviously I love that plot.

801
00:36:16,064 --> 00:36:17,264
Speaker 5: He's a bit of a snob.

802
00:36:17,424 --> 00:36:19,584
Speaker 7: He's a bit of a rockstar snob, and he thinks

803
00:36:19,584 --> 00:36:21,624
Speaker 7: he's like, you know, top ship. And then they fall

804
00:36:21,664 --> 00:36:23,704
Speaker 7: in love and they bond over their passion for music.

805
00:36:23,784 --> 00:36:25,944
Speaker 2: Oh just feel like a bit of an enemy's to lovers.

806
00:36:26,304 --> 00:36:29,824
Speaker 5: Yeah, there is, there's tension. There's definitely tension full enemies, but.

807
00:36:30,264 --> 00:36:32,304
Speaker 4: Just like on different sides and then they fall in love.

808
00:36:32,344 --> 00:36:32,864
Speaker 4: That's my face.

809
00:36:32,904 --> 00:36:35,384
Speaker 6: I feel like it's like the vibe I got was

810
00:36:35,424 --> 00:36:40,264
Speaker 6: like he's like misguided bad boy does like lost his way,

811
00:36:40,464 --> 00:36:43,424
Speaker 6: and Demi kind of helps bring him back down to earth.

812
00:36:43,544 --> 00:36:45,104
Speaker 3: That's the sense that I got.

813
00:36:45,304 --> 00:36:47,264
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's definitely the case. She's much more humble.

814
00:36:47,384 --> 00:36:49,344
Speaker 7: Her mum's working as a cook in the kitchen and

815
00:36:49,384 --> 00:36:51,264
Speaker 7: she wants that kept on the deal. Guys, I'm not

816
00:36:51,304 --> 00:36:53,704
Speaker 7: going to ruin the plot. You haven't seen Camperrock. That's

817
00:36:53,744 --> 00:36:54,624
Speaker 7: your week, So we.

818
00:36:54,584 --> 00:37:00,024
Speaker 4: Do brilliant if you want, because we can make it happen.

819
00:37:00,984 --> 00:37:03,904
Speaker 2: Whispering into the mic, Well, I'm so glad this happened

820
00:37:03,944 --> 00:37:06,104
Speaker 2: for you and your people and purpose has given you

821
00:37:06,144 --> 00:37:08,104
Speaker 2: some sort of a closure. What do you think is

822
00:37:08,144 --> 00:37:10,824
Speaker 2: the next part of this from Joe and Demi? Do

823
00:37:10,864 --> 00:37:12,904
Speaker 2: you want to see them like release new music together?

824
00:37:12,944 --> 00:37:14,104
Speaker 2: Do you want to see something happen or do you

825
00:37:14,104 --> 00:37:15,664
Speaker 2: just want it to be this perfect moment that they

826
00:37:15,704 --> 00:37:17,024
Speaker 2: then walk away from.

827
00:37:17,184 --> 00:37:19,144
Speaker 7: I think it's just a perfect moment they walk away from.

828
00:37:19,224 --> 00:37:21,024
Speaker 7: I mean, as you said before, they were already on

829
00:37:21,064 --> 00:37:23,424
Speaker 7: good terms. I don't know that they're going to release

830
00:37:23,464 --> 00:37:25,304
Speaker 7: any new music together or anything like that. I'd love

831
00:37:25,344 --> 00:37:26,904
Speaker 7: to see a few hangs, like maybe they go on

832
00:37:26,944 --> 00:37:28,664
Speaker 7: a boat day together or something like.

833
00:37:28,744 --> 00:37:29,024
Speaker 2: You know.

834
00:37:30,544 --> 00:37:31,664
Speaker 4: That's so weirdly specific.

835
00:37:31,824 --> 00:37:33,664
Speaker 7: I know, love to see that for them, But I

836
00:37:33,704 --> 00:37:36,384
Speaker 7: think this is just a moment that exists really nicely.

837
00:37:36,744 --> 00:37:38,784
Speaker 7: It reminded me of the Tails with nineteen eighty nine too,

838
00:37:38,864 --> 00:37:40,664
Speaker 7: when she would bring out you know yess and sing

839
00:37:40,744 --> 00:37:41,704
Speaker 7: with them, and I think.

840
00:37:41,544 --> 00:37:43,304
Speaker 5: It was just a really beautiful moment and it can.

841
00:37:43,224 --> 00:37:44,184
Speaker 3: Just be that. Okay.

842
00:37:44,184 --> 00:37:46,664
Speaker 1: And one final question for you, because I saw also

843
00:37:46,704 --> 00:37:49,584
Speaker 1: these comments of people wanting Camp Rock three. Are you

844
00:37:49,664 --> 00:37:51,744
Speaker 1: on board for Camp Rock three? Oh?

845
00:37:51,944 --> 00:37:54,504
Speaker 5: Do you ruin a master feel. It's the whole reboot discussion,

846
00:37:54,664 --> 00:37:55,304
Speaker 5: do you ruin?

847
00:37:56,024 --> 00:37:58,864
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a better practical magic Devil is Prider camp.

848
00:37:58,984 --> 00:38:02,144
Speaker 5: Rock thirty is in a camp like I don't know.

849
00:38:02,224 --> 00:38:04,224
Speaker 4: They come back as the counselors.

850
00:38:03,704 --> 00:38:08,344
Speaker 2: And Demi and Joe's characters have broken up and they reunite,

851
00:38:08,544 --> 00:38:10,384
Speaker 2: having to like come back to this camp that's a

852
00:38:10,384 --> 00:38:12,024
Speaker 2: about to close down. They have to put on a

853
00:38:12,064 --> 00:38:15,504
Speaker 2: concert to save it on stage, to perform together.

854
00:38:15,544 --> 00:38:18,544
Speaker 7: It writes itself, Disney, if you're listening, make it happen.

855
00:38:19,104 --> 00:38:20,224
Speaker 5: I'll be there front row.

856
00:38:21,344 --> 00:38:23,504
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for listening to The Spill today,

857
00:38:23,584 --> 00:38:25,784
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858
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859
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Speaker 2: and help us out with this new project. The Spill

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Speaker 2: was produced by Militias Warren with sound production by Scott Stronik.

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Speaker 2: And we'll see you back in your podcast feed at

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Speaker 2: three pm tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Bye bye.