1
00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,000
Speaker 1: It's so important to surround yourself with amazing people that

2
00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,880
Speaker 1: continue to not only inspire you, that back you and

3
00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,440
Speaker 1: support you and give you that encouragement to say, hey,

4
00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,520
Speaker 1: you can do this, this is pretty amazing. It's when

5
00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,240
Speaker 1: you come into a role I think where you don't

6
00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,800
Speaker 1: know and you pretend to know that you will fall

7
00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,200
Speaker 1: flat on your face. It's about leveraging that incredible tapestry

8
00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,200
Speaker 1: of talent that exists within the organization to become a

9
00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:26,600
Speaker 1: stronger organization.

10
00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,760
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sees the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy

11
00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,839
Speaker 2: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

12
00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,640
Speaker 2: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but

13
00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,919
Speaker 2: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than

14
00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,720
Speaker 2: one way. So this is a platform to hear and

15
00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,279
Speaker 2: explore the stories of those who found lives. They adore,

16
00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,080
Speaker 2: the good, bad and ugly, the best and worst. Day

17
00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,760
Speaker 2: will bear all the facets of seizing your yay. I'm

18
00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,120
Speaker 2: Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned

19
00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,320
Speaker 2: entrepreneur who's walketor suits and heels to co found matcha

20
00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,840
Speaker 2: Maidan and matcha Milk Bar. Cca is a series of

21
00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,880
Speaker 2: conversations on finding a life you love and exploring the

22
00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:14,919
Speaker 2: self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way. Lovely Yighborhood,

23
00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,280
Speaker 2: Welcome back to another guest episode of the show after

24
00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,040
Speaker 2: last week's Yeas of our Lives download, with a thank

25
00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,959
Speaker 2: you all so much for the beautiful feedback and support

26
00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,720
Speaker 2: during this past couple of weeks and months since sharing

27
00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,600
Speaker 2: our story and a little bit more depth and with

28
00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,280
Speaker 2: a bit more rawness than normal, which is saying something

29
00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,840
Speaker 2: given that I already share pretty much everything. This has

30
00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,440
Speaker 2: been a little bit more vulnerable than usual and very special,

31
00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,560
Speaker 2: So thank you all so much for sharing in that

32
00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,280
Speaker 2: journey with us. As to our guest this week, they

33
00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,240
Speaker 2: epitomize why I love doing this podcast so much and

34
00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,920
Speaker 2: for all its possible downsides, really embrace the potential for

35
00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,200
Speaker 2: connection that social media allows us in this day and age.

36
00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:00,640
Speaker 2: I think if you use it the right way, it

37
00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,720
Speaker 2: can still be the most powerful and amazing platform. And

38
00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,360
Speaker 2: we actually met through the neighborhood online. After this guest

39
00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,320
Speaker 2: became our number one purchaser of the Quote of the

40
00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,200
Speaker 2: Day Flipbooks, and the support has been unwavering ever since.

41
00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,519
Speaker 2: I don't know how he went from that to getting

42
00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,760
Speaker 2: onto his incredible work. But it's somehow emerged through our

43
00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,920
Speaker 2: chats that Simon went from being an architect to taking

44
00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,320
Speaker 2: all the different chapters and dot points. You know, we

45
00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,200
Speaker 2: always talk about how the dot points don't connect when

46
00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,600
Speaker 2: you're going forwards, but sometimes in reverse you can understand

47
00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,359
Speaker 2: them better. Simon went from being an architect of becoming

48
00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,560
Speaker 2: the CEO of an incredible biotech company. And when I

49
00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,080
Speaker 2: found out about his amazing work identifying diseases through a

50
00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,160
Speaker 2: very simple, non invasive saliva based test called gene type,

51
00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,160
Speaker 2: I just had to share that with you all, particularly

52
00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,360
Speaker 2: given that he didn't come from a science background, and

53
00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,919
Speaker 2: I love the idea that there is no conventional party

54
00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,280
Speaker 2: ad to get to anywhere. After becoming friends over the

55
00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,079
Speaker 2: interwebs four years, we finally sat down and chatted about

56
00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,320
Speaker 2: the incredible work that Simon is doing. I hope you

57
00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,280
Speaker 2: all enjoy it as much as I did. Simon, Welcome

58
00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:11,560
Speaker 2: to CEZ THEA.

59
00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:13,760
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me excited to be here.

60
00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,359
Speaker 2: So this is a very special episode. Lovely neighborhood who

61
00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,760
Speaker 2: are listening along because Simon and I have been Internet

62
00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:25,200
Speaker 2: friends and Nick and Paul for like how many years now?

63
00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,520
Speaker 1: Do you think two or three years. I think I've

64
00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,120
Speaker 1: seen probably at least two or three really really awkward

65
00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,160
Speaker 1: Christmas jumpers in your life. So at least.

66
00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,520
Speaker 3: You're counting the number of terrible jumps.

67
00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,440
Speaker 1: If that's a passage of time, I think they could

68
00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,600
Speaker 1: be at least two or three of those.

69
00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:45,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

70
00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,960
Speaker 2: So, I mean, this is of all the things that

71
00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,360
Speaker 2: are wonderful about creating this podcast, it's the people I've

72
00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,520
Speaker 2: been able to connect with through the wonderful interwebs and

73
00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,280
Speaker 2: the digital age that we live in today. And Simon

74
00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,120
Speaker 2: and I connected through the show. And I mean, you,

75
00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,600
Speaker 2: how did it begin? Was it you buying the flip books?

76
00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,920
Speaker 2: I think was it? You know?

77
00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,640
Speaker 1: I think it was the books and the flip books,

78
00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,640
Speaker 1: and I think I started buying them, you know what,

79
00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,200
Speaker 1: for my daughters to be able to give out as

80
00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,320
Speaker 1: gifts for friends. So I started buying the flipbooks and

81
00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,520
Speaker 1: the books of yours to share with some amazing people

82
00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,680
Speaker 1: in my network, for my daughters to be able to

83
00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,840
Speaker 1: give away to friends as gifts, and for people that

84
00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,560
Speaker 1: start here at the office and they can have the

85
00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,960
Speaker 1: flip books on their desks. So they're a really great

86
00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,400
Speaker 1: gift to be able to share with people.

87
00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,840
Speaker 2: Oh, Simon, You've been such a wonderful support, and it's

88
00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:38,960
Speaker 2: just it's been so nice to connect. I think like

89
00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,920
Speaker 2: your name kept popping up, and then we were following

90
00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,440
Speaker 2: each other. And then it's only a little bit more

91
00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,600
Speaker 2: recently that I started to hear more about what you

92
00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,200
Speaker 2: actually do and the amazing journey you've been on. And

93
00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,360
Speaker 2: then now we're here and we're like making bringing our

94
00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,679
Speaker 2: friendship into like longer form.

95
00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:54,560
Speaker 3: It's so exciting.

96
00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,240
Speaker 1: Who would have thought that all those years ago that

97
00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,680
Speaker 1: I'd then be published in some fashion magazine in the

98
00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,919
Speaker 1: United States for some of the stuff that we do

99
00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,320
Speaker 1: of that Ola league And there's a mile stone that's.

100
00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,279
Speaker 2: Right, Oh my god, you sent me the link. We've

101
00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,160
Speaker 2: been like following each other's journeys.

102
00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,000
Speaker 3: Very closely, which is so nice.

103
00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,480
Speaker 2: And Nick actually just came in guys and interrupted our

104
00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,920
Speaker 2: recording and they had a good old chat about their bikes.

105
00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,200
Speaker 2: So there's just a lot of common ground going on

106
00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:19,240
Speaker 2: in this friendship.

107
00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,800
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, not awkward at all.

108
00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:22,920
Speaker 3: Not awkward at all.

109
00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,160
Speaker 2: Alsoon it's so nice to finally be able to catch

110
00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,400
Speaker 2: up properly. And I think one of the really cool

111
00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,320
Speaker 2: things about episodes like this is when I mean, as

112
00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,200
Speaker 2: you know, I like to research people to it within and

113
00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,159
Speaker 2: inch of their lives, but sometimes it's really nice to

114
00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,159
Speaker 2: also be hearing someone's story and the nitty gritty of

115
00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,919
Speaker 2: sort of how they got there along with everyone for

116
00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:45,680
Speaker 2: the first time. Like I haven't heard a lot of this,

117
00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,640
Speaker 2: so I would love to start by I mean, we'll

118
00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,920
Speaker 2: get to the amazing things that you're doing right now,

119
00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,080
Speaker 2: but I'd love to start all the way back at

120
00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,240
Speaker 2: the very beginning, because I think it's so fascinating and

121
00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,640
Speaker 2: also quite inspiring to hear where people began, what they

122
00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,159
Speaker 2: thought their future would look like, and then how differently

123
00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,560
Speaker 2: it often unravels. So take us back to maybe even

124
00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,720
Speaker 2: your childhood. What did you what was your first job

125
00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:08,760
Speaker 2: and what did you think you'd be.

126
00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:13,200
Speaker 1: Wow, we're going back a while. The first job outside

127
00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:18,160
Speaker 1: of while I was at school, it was stocking supermarket shelves.

128
00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,560
Speaker 1: And you know what, it's when you get to meet

129
00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,920
Speaker 1: some really cool people when you do those local community

130
00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,480
Speaker 1: supermarkets and you're in the little grocery outlets and you're

131
00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,080
Speaker 1: they're taking people's shopping out to their cars, and you

132
00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,120
Speaker 1: get to really connect. It was not like a really

133
00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,520
Speaker 1: big bullwhurser of calls. It was a little independent supermarket

134
00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,440
Speaker 1: where you could pack their groceries and you could actually

135
00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,279
Speaker 1: walk it out to the front of their car because

136
00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,080
Speaker 1: they'd parp so close to the shop. And you know

137
00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,880
Speaker 1: what that's That was just such a buzz of a job.

138
00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,400
Speaker 1: You're fifteen years of age, You're meeting some of the

139
00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,520
Speaker 1: local people around there, and that was one of my

140
00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,240
Speaker 1: first favorite jobs when I when I started growing up,

141
00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,360
Speaker 1: so while I was while I was in high schoo still,

142
00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,200
Speaker 1: so it was really cool. From there, I went out

143
00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:09,760
Speaker 1: and studied university and studied architecture and civil engineering, and

144
00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,680
Speaker 1: well before that, I actually wanted to be a physio,

145
00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,360
Speaker 1: but I wasn't smart enough. Very very clever people the

146
00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:16,800
Speaker 1: people have become physios.

147
00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,280
Speaker 3: I mean, I think you've since proven that you're smart enough, but.

148
00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,800
Speaker 1: Smart in different ways. But from an academic point of view,

149
00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,760
Speaker 1: I wasn't smart enough to get the masks to do

150
00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,640
Speaker 1: to do physio. I loved sport when I was growing up,

151
00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,520
Speaker 1: but from there I studied architecture, drafting, and civil engineering.

152
00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,920
Speaker 1: I just loved building, a love construction, loved designing things.

153
00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,960
Speaker 1: And from that it then morphed into being never became

154
00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,800
Speaker 1: a job. It always became something that I loved to do.

155
00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,600
Speaker 1: So my wife and I build a few houses and

156
00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,680
Speaker 1: renovated a few houses together, survived all of those renovations,

157
00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,200
Speaker 1: survived all of those building projects together over the years,

158
00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,520
Speaker 1: which was just awesome. But I then fell into when

159
00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,520
Speaker 1: I was probably in my mid twenties, into healthcare and

160
00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,520
Speaker 1: for many, many years I worked with an amazing Australian

161
00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,360
Speaker 1: business called for Black Maws. I worked with them for

162
00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,360
Speaker 1: thirteen years, worked with the amazing Marcus Blackmoll and others

163
00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,640
Speaker 1: would know the likes of Christine Holbate and a number

164
00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:16,040
Speaker 1: of those really wonderful senior leaders in our community. And

165
00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,320
Speaker 1: my love for preventative health, my love for health care

166
00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:24,840
Speaker 1: and wellness really stemmed from there. From there, I went

167
00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,400
Speaker 1: and then ran another company called Sonofi, which is a

168
00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,520
Speaker 1: large pharmaceutical business, and again it was all about health

169
00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,760
Speaker 1: and wellness and preventative health. And that sort of took

170
00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,280
Speaker 1: me another ten years and then stepped into probably one

171
00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,800
Speaker 1: of the most purposeful roles that I'm doing right now,

172
00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,360
Speaker 1: and that's in biotech, and that's around looking at things

173
00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:50,000
Speaker 1: like genetics and looking at the onset of serious disease

174
00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,640
Speaker 1: where there may be no family history at all. So

175
00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:57,000
Speaker 1: my whole career has been more around healthcare, preventative health wellness,

176
00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,000
Speaker 1: and I just love it. It's really really excited.

177
00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,160
Speaker 3: I think it comes through.

178
00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,319
Speaker 2: I mean, even in the small interactions we've had so far,

179
00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,520
Speaker 2: just how passionate you are about what you do. And

180
00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,640
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to sort of start to share some

181
00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,160
Speaker 2: of that with our audience because I found it fascinating.

182
00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,480
Speaker 2: But just before we get there, I think when you do,

183
00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,240
Speaker 2: I mean how often I know I say this over

184
00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,680
Speaker 2: and over again to all of you guys, but I

185
00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,920
Speaker 2: think often when we meet someone at the chapter they're

186
00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,839
Speaker 2: in now, like you know, we meet Simon Morris and

187
00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,400
Speaker 2: you're the CEO. You're the CEO of a genetic company

188
00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:33,640
Speaker 2: that does this amazing, like crazily advanced innovative biotechnology work.

189
00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,720
Speaker 2: And I would assume that either you've always known you

190
00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,040
Speaker 2: were going to be a CEO, or that you always

191
00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:40,880
Speaker 2: knew you were going to be in biotech or science,

192
00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:42,800
Speaker 2: and that's kind of natural to you. But you just

193
00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:44,600
Speaker 2: said to me that it was actually your wife who

194
00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,640
Speaker 2: was kind of in the sciences. And as you mentioned,

195
00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,600
Speaker 2: you started an architecture, So for anyone listening who's sort

196
00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,720
Speaker 2: of a bit lost on their pathway or who might

197
00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,760
Speaker 2: not feel that they could ever like even the fact

198
00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,880
Speaker 2: that at so Nofi you were in sales rather than

199
00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,960
Speaker 2: in kind of executive leadership to begin with along the way,

200
00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,720
Speaker 2: how do you pivot into an entirely new industry? How

201
00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,280
Speaker 2: do you go from architecture to healthcare and the sciences

202
00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,320
Speaker 2: and deal with kind of like the self doubt that

203
00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,160
Speaker 2: you didn't study that area, or the fear of change.

204
00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,920
Speaker 2: I think we were really creatures of habit, and change

205
00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,000
Speaker 2: is something that's scary but also something that obviously has

206
00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:22,320
Speaker 2: led to you doing something you love.

207
00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,880
Speaker 1: It's a really good point because that fear of the unknown,

208
00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,640
Speaker 1: that fear of failure, and that fear of change and

209
00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,000
Speaker 1: always thinking you have to do what you've always done.

210
00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,240
Speaker 1: It's a real challenge, and as you get older, you

211
00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,440
Speaker 1: become more and more risk averse in many many ways.

212
00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:41,360
Speaker 1: But it's so important to surround yourself with amazing people

213
00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,120
Speaker 1: that continue to not only inspire you, that back you

214
00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,880
Speaker 1: and support you and give you that encouragement to say, hey,

215
00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,920
Speaker 1: you can do this. This is pretty amazing, And I

216
00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,960
Speaker 1: think it's an incredible network of key people. Not gone

217
00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,319
Speaker 1: are the days of just having one mentor in your life.

218
00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,000
Speaker 1: You can have so many different mentors in so many

219
00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,760
Speaker 1: different aspects of your life. There's a role for lots

220
00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,120
Speaker 1: and lots of wonderful people to play. Some of them

221
00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,040
Speaker 1: in your career, some of them in your family, some

222
00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,160
Speaker 1: of them your friends and networks, and some of them

223
00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,360
Speaker 1: are just completely outside of that and just completely independent,

224
00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,520
Speaker 1: and they give you that inspiration, that encouragement, and that

225
00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,120
Speaker 1: confidence to make some of those life changing, life altering

226
00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:24,360
Speaker 1: and career defining changes in your life. And I'm very

227
00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,120
Speaker 1: fortunate that I've got those in my life and in

228
00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,400
Speaker 1: my career and some incredible people. And I continue to

229
00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,800
Speaker 1: meet some incredible people in my life and try and

230
00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,600
Speaker 1: learn from them as much as I can, because it's

231
00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,360
Speaker 1: just such an exciting journey that we're on.

232
00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,040
Speaker 2: I think that's such a good point that you know,

233
00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,440
Speaker 2: now it's sort of as a CEO, there's only one

234
00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,839
Speaker 2: of you, and it seems like you know you're kind

235
00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,360
Speaker 2: of you know that you didn't need anyone to get there.

236
00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,040
Speaker 2: But I think it's such a good point that no

237
00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,600
Speaker 2: one kind of gets anywhere without a whole village of

238
00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,439
Speaker 2: people behind them, encouraging them and pushing them and telling

239
00:11:58,480 --> 00:11:58,760
Speaker 2: you that.

240
00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,040
Speaker 3: You can actually do this, because that's half the.

241
00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,000
Speaker 2: Battle, I think, is not the doing, it's the believing

242
00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:04,520
Speaker 2: you can do it and then taking the step to

243
00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,319
Speaker 2: do it. So having gone from I mean, you mentioned

244
00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,120
Speaker 2: that you fell into healthcare, So was that an accidental

245
00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:12,120
Speaker 2: kind of shift?

246
00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:12,480
Speaker 3: Did that?

247
00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,360
Speaker 2: Was that just an opportunity that came up, or were

248
00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,839
Speaker 2: you like, no, I am going to change. Architecture is

249
00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:18,760
Speaker 2: not my vibe anymore, and I'm going to this is

250
00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:19,360
Speaker 2: what I'm going to do.

251
00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,520
Speaker 1: It's funny when architecture at the time. I still love building,

252
00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,480
Speaker 1: I still love design, I still love construction, but I

253
00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,360
Speaker 1: never saw myself as sitting there drawing, designing in the

254
00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:35,320
Speaker 1: isolated world of say an architect. I'm someone who loves

255
00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,040
Speaker 1: to interact with people, and I had to get out

256
00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,160
Speaker 1: of that. Even though I still love building, I still

257
00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,160
Speaker 1: love designer, still love all of those aspects of it.

258
00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,720
Speaker 1: But I needed to be with people and I needed

259
00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,319
Speaker 1: to get out there. And it was just through sport

260
00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,400
Speaker 1: that a friend of mine worked for a company in healthcare,

261
00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,040
Speaker 1: and I just through a throwaway line, we were going

262
00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,960
Speaker 1: for a run together, and I was just a simple

263
00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,600
Speaker 1: throwaway line that says you could do with someone like

264
00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,120
Speaker 1: me and your company. And then from there it simply

265
00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,040
Speaker 1: went from there to hey, you're right, and within I

266
00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,560
Speaker 1: reckon a month. It started in this very very simple,

267
00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:13,200
Speaker 1: basic grassroots job as a sales rep for a company,

268
00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,280
Speaker 1: and then just continued that journey from there and it

269
00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,960
Speaker 1: all came. I remember vividly the day that I was

270
00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,440
Speaker 1: we'd finished a swimming training session, We've dis gone for

271
00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,520
Speaker 1: a basic run together. He was the boss of this company,

272
00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,240
Speaker 1: and I thought, I'm gonna try something different, and I

273
00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,000
Speaker 1: just threw out this line, and then within a month

274
00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,360
Speaker 1: it had started, and then that was it was about

275
00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,080
Speaker 1: I think it was sort of December. I'll give him

276
00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,760
Speaker 1: my age way here, nineteen ninety six. We're looking at

277
00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,400
Speaker 1: some years ago now. It was just such a throwaway

278
00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,840
Speaker 1: line that he bought it, and the rest is history.

279
00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:49,160
Speaker 1: I've been a proponent of healthcare ever since since that dime,

280
00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,600
Speaker 1: and I think one of the connections that you have

281
00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,640
Speaker 1: on one of your other shows that you general quickly.

282
00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,679
Speaker 1: I met him in December nineteen ninety six when I

283
00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:04,120
Speaker 1: first started a blackmore and have just loved his journey

284
00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,640
Speaker 1: ever since. So one of my very first people I

285
00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,720
Speaker 1: got to meet from a healthcare perspective that continued to

286
00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,960
Speaker 1: give me that inspiration and the education and teach me

287
00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,840
Speaker 1: so much was was Gerald back many many years ago.

288
00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,040
Speaker 3: Oh, we love Gerald.

289
00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,960
Speaker 2: Guys. For those who don't recall who Gerald is, he's

290
00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,160
Speaker 2: the incredible, incredible co host of mine on the House

291
00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:26,920
Speaker 2: of Wellness. Who actually we also do a lot of

292
00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,280
Speaker 2: work with Sophie and Blackmore's just incidentally, and Gerald and

293
00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,360
Speaker 2: I do the radio show together as well with Joe

294
00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:33,320
Speaker 2: for House of Wellness.

295
00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,200
Speaker 3: He is just a gem. I love him so much.

296
00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,480
Speaker 1: As a gentleman, absolute gentleman.

297
00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,560
Speaker 2: So I love that you even use the word throwaway

298
00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,360
Speaker 2: line because I think a lot of the times when

299
00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:45,680
Speaker 2: we want to make a big change in your life,

300
00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,960
Speaker 2: you think it's going to be this big momentous move

301
00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,320
Speaker 2: that you know, like a movie scene. It's kind of

302
00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,400
Speaker 2: like a clue that there's a big new chapter coming.

303
00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,840
Speaker 2: But I think it is often in the throwaway moments,

304
00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,240
Speaker 2: like the chance meetings or you know, I always call

305
00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,680
Speaker 2: them like the sliding doors opportunities, or the moment where

306
00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,920
Speaker 2: you just you just put yourself out there and you

307
00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,840
Speaker 2: just say something kind of casual and it doesn't necessarily

308
00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,920
Speaker 2: have to be a big thing. I think it's often

309
00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,400
Speaker 2: in those just random conversations where you just put out

310
00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,760
Speaker 2: an idea and that plants the seed for something. So

311
00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,720
Speaker 2: once you did kind of make this shift and you

312
00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,200
Speaker 2: started again, Like I think the other thing I love

313
00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,280
Speaker 2: about this story is you have to not be afraid

314
00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,200
Speaker 2: to be a beginner at something, Like you went in

315
00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,600
Speaker 2: in sales and you went into a whole new industry.

316
00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:29,160
Speaker 2: You are now a CEO. So what is that progression? Like,

317
00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,240
Speaker 2: like how do you work your way up? And maybe

318
00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,240
Speaker 2: another way to phrase this is you have daughters now

319
00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,360
Speaker 2: if you were giving them advice on the way to

320
00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,320
Speaker 2: make yourself I don't know whether it like scene, but

321
00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,800
Speaker 2: how do you put yourself forward in a position to

322
00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:44,200
Speaker 2: go from sales rep to CEO?

323
00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:44,440
Speaker 1: Like?

324
00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:45,280
Speaker 3: How did you do that?

325
00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think a lot of experience is putting yourself

326
00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,120
Speaker 1: in positions where it opens the next door for you.

327
00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:57,760
Speaker 1: I think being good at something and then being accomplished

328
00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,840
Speaker 1: at that and then wanting to move on a case

329
00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,400
Speaker 1: of doing it through speed and accomplishment versus haste. And

330
00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,320
Speaker 1: I think that there's a couple of things that's really

331
00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,119
Speaker 1: interesting about these days is kids are far more confident

332
00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,640
Speaker 1: these days than what we were when we were kids

333
00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,960
Speaker 1: earlier on. And they back themselves into situations even more

334
00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,320
Speaker 1: confidently now in many instances as well. My daughters do anyway,

335
00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,520
Speaker 1: which is are awesome. I love it. And they put

336
00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,800
Speaker 1: themselves out there and say I can do this, and

337
00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,160
Speaker 1: they do, which is really really cool. But from my perspective,

338
00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,080
Speaker 1: it's about putting yourself into positions where you think I

339
00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,720
Speaker 1: really want to have a go at that, backing yourself

340
00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,880
Speaker 1: into that. And you talked about throwaway lines before. Don't

341
00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,920
Speaker 1: over engineer things, don't overorchestrate things. Don't overthink things. And

342
00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,040
Speaker 1: if it's meant to be or be, but back yourself

343
00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,720
Speaker 1: into a situation and where you think I can do that.

344
00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,040
Speaker 1: Have the confidence to back your own talent, back your

345
00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,200
Speaker 1: own ability, and you'll get it ninety percent right. Don't

346
00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,520
Speaker 1: wait to try and be perfect at something before you

347
00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,360
Speaker 1: take that next step, Otherwise in many instances, nothing will happen.

348
00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,160
Speaker 1: So I think that from that perspective, I got to

349
00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,960
Speaker 1: experience so many different aspects of the Blackmaw's business, the

350
00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,000
Speaker 1: Sonofi business, and when I got asked to be a

351
00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,560
Speaker 1: part of this organization now as the CEO, it's a

352
00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:17,359
Speaker 1: biotech business. I'm not a clinician. I'm not a medical professional.

353
00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,359
Speaker 1: I'm not a healthcare professional or a doctor or a

354
00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,760
Speaker 1: scientist in any way, shape or form. And I looked

355
00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,840
Speaker 1: quizzically at them and I said, what do I have

356
00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,520
Speaker 1: to offer that you don't have it? I said, please

357
00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,840
Speaker 1: help me understand this. So they said, we need a

358
00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,919
Speaker 1: commercial guy because we've got all the smart people, and

359
00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,240
Speaker 1: we do. That's some wonderful smart people, super talented people

360
00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:43,119
Speaker 1: in the business. All clinicians, scientists, epidemiologists, doctors, you name it.

361
00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,560
Speaker 1: We've got them all and they're super clever. But translating

362
00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,840
Speaker 1: that into a story that people can relate to and

363
00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,520
Speaker 1: understand to become a commercial business is what they needed.

364
00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,320
Speaker 1: And that's where I came into the business, not through

365
00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,239
Speaker 1: my medical background or anything like that. And that's how

366
00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,080
Speaker 1: I came to the see of this business. And now

367
00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,560
Speaker 1: see of a publicly listed company comes with an incredible

368
00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:10,520
Speaker 1: amount of fans out there. They're called shareholders, and you've

369
00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,040
Speaker 1: got them in the US, we've got them here in

370
00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,960
Speaker 1: Australia and they're incredible supporters of us technology in our business.

371
00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,280
Speaker 1: But you've got the team to look after, to grow

372
00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,760
Speaker 1: and to develop. We've got the patients to look after.

373
00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,440
Speaker 1: We've got shareholders to look after. We've got an amazing

374
00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,719
Speaker 1: stakeholder group that we actually have to continually consider and

375
00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,440
Speaker 1: be focused on making sure that we address and look

376
00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,920
Speaker 1: after all of those people. But that journey from starting

377
00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,399
Speaker 1: with a carrying the bag, if you like, as a

378
00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,880
Speaker 1: sales rep from a pharmacy sales rep at Blackmore, say

379
00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,080
Speaker 1: twenty five years or so ago, into being the CEO

380
00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,720
Speaker 1: of a publicly listic business to really help improve the

381
00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,760
Speaker 1: health of populations worldwide with some of the things that

382
00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,920
Speaker 1: we do is just what I find is my absolute

383
00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,040
Speaker 1: purpose in life and a healthcare journey for me. It

384
00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,840
Speaker 1: just continues to grow and I continue to learn every

385
00:18:58,880 --> 00:18:59,480
Speaker 1: single day.

386
00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,280
Speaker 2: I love that so much, and I love particularly what

387
00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,400
Speaker 2: you said about not over engineering things like don't overthink it,

388
00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,000
Speaker 2: because once you give yourself too much time to overthink

389
00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,000
Speaker 2: an opportunity, like you think yourself out of it, you

390
00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,400
Speaker 2: just have to kind of rip the band aid and

391
00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:13,800
Speaker 2: just do it and figure it out.

392
00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,199
Speaker 1: You'll come up with reasons why you shouldn't do it.

393
00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:17,280
Speaker 1: If you can't do overthink it.

394
00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:18,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and.

395
00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,679
Speaker 1: That's what You've just got to back yourself and have

396
00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,880
Speaker 1: a go, and you'll fall flat on your face from

397
00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,480
Speaker 1: time to time. But what you just said before, the

398
00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,920
Speaker 1: village of people that actually help pick you back up again.

399
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,439
Speaker 1: If you've got the right network, you can safely fall

400
00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,760
Speaker 1: beat a safe zone. You can safely fall on your

401
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,120
Speaker 1: face and then get back up and go again. It's

402
00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,520
Speaker 1: that network of people that you have around you that

403
00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,040
Speaker 1: won't blindly lead to it to the wrong path, but

404
00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:44,840
Speaker 1: will be there to support you if you have a

405
00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,560
Speaker 1: red hot go at something and fall over and then

406
00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,080
Speaker 1: trip and then get back up and back on track.

407
00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:51,919
Speaker 3: Oh we love that, the red hot go.

408
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,760
Speaker 2: And just favorite statement in life is just give things

409
00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,720
Speaker 2: a red hot crack and think about the rest later,

410
00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,480
Speaker 2: like you don't need to worry about it right now,

411
00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,159
Speaker 2: before we get into the position you have now and

412
00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,520
Speaker 2: the work you guys are doing. This is just such

413
00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,199
Speaker 2: a random tangent, but it just came up as well

414
00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,280
Speaker 2: speaking because I think you'd add such an interesting perspective

415
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,159
Speaker 2: to this. So something I speak about a lot on

416
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,200
Speaker 2: this show. In the you know, there's the n ATA

417
00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,520
Speaker 2: like all the big challenges that you have along your journey,

418
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,280
Speaker 2: and one of them is obviously, you know, self doubt

419
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,119
Speaker 2: and confidence and imposter syndrome and all of that kind

420
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:20,320
Speaker 2: of thing.

421
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:21,240
Speaker 3: There's of course burnout.

422
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 2: There's all kinds of barriers that we face in achieving

423
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,879
Speaker 2: our best life. But we speak about self doubt a

424
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,879
Speaker 2: lot in particular because it tends to be a bigger

425
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,560
Speaker 2: barrier than anything else. It's not really people's qualifications or abilities,

426
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,119
Speaker 2: it's their lack of belief in their abilities. And a

427
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,800
Speaker 2: statistic that I always talk about, but this is more

428
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,879
Speaker 2: focused towards women, is that Hewlett Packard's study about the

429
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,240
Speaker 2: idea that men will apply for a promotion when they

430
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,720
Speaker 2: have about sixty percent of the criteria. This is a

431
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,119
Speaker 2: mass generalization, but this was based on a study about

432
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,120
Speaker 2: applying for promotions. And you know, they'll apply at sixty

433
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 2: percent knowing very logically that they can learn the other

434
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 2: forty percent on the go, Like if they were at

435
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 2: one hundred percent, you know, you don't wait until you're

436
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 2: readywise why would.

437
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:01,200
Speaker 3: You need the promotion?

438
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 2: Whereas women will wait until they have sort of ninety

439
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 2: one hundred, one hundred and ten percent of the criteria

440
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,959
Speaker 2: before they even apply, and then they've lost the opportunity

441
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,160
Speaker 2: because time alone has meant they haven't applied. So in

442
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 2: your experience, have you seen that kind of behavior in

443
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,439
Speaker 2: putting yourself forward for things? Do you see it in

444
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,360
Speaker 2: your daughters versus how you have applied yourself. Have you

445
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 2: struggled with self doubt in that same way or not

446
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 2: struggled as much?

447
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 1: Like?

448
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 2: How have you found in your progression from the sales

449
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 2: rep to the CEO that those kind of dynamics are

450
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 2: putting yourself forward from things in a more gendered way,

451
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 2: especially in STEM.

452
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 1: I think that that mass generalization that you talk about

453
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 1: there is absolutely alive still today. So you get two

454
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 1: regimes for the same job, for a man and for

455
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 1: a woman. For example, You're absolutely right. A guy will

456
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 1: look at that and say, you know, I can do

457
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 1: most of that, I'm going to have a go. A

458
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 1: woman will look at that particular resume and they'll look

459
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 1: for the thing that they can't do and then talk

460
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 1: themselves out of applying for the job, which is really

461
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 1: wrong because they'll probably be more qualified than the guy.

462
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,880
Speaker 1: In fact, ninety percent of the title. In that way,

463
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: I've done that even with my wife. For example, she

464
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 1: was applying for a role only two years ago and

465
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: I looked at the position description, I think, wow, this

466
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: suits you so much, and it's in animal health and

467
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 1: she's in healthcare as well, it's animal health, and I said,

468
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 1: this is just such a wonderful role for you should

469
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 1: have a go at this, you should go for it.

470
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 1: And then she looked and found the thing that she

471
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 1: didn't think that she could do. I said, well, that's

472
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: so far down the list that I don't think it's

473
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,199
Speaker 1: one of their biggest priorities. Because if you look at

474
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 1: the top four or five things that someone writes on

475
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 1: a position description, that's what they truly value is the

476
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 1: most important there. So that thing down to the bottom there,

477
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 1: I don't ever worry about it. Have a go. Two

478
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 1: and a half years later, she's wonderfully successful in that job.

479
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: But I think that that's not just a generalization. Women

480
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: tend to look at things about what they can't do

481
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: and sometimes talk themselves out of it, when again, I

482
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: just encourage them to look for all the wonderful things

483
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: that they can bring to a role, and even the

484
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 1: that aren't on the position description that they can bring

485
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: to a role because I had so much value and

486
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 1: diversity and capability to many many teams. So I don't

487
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 1: think it's a generalization at all. I think it's still

488
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: sadly is alive and well in the progression of people

489
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: in organizations.

490
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 2: And then it's interesting that yourself, when you came to

491
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 2: the most recent position, that you were then pointing out

492
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 2: the things that you didn't think you had for the

493
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 2: position a CEO, that you went straight to that mentality

494
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 2: of like, well, I don't have a background in biotech.

495
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 2: I don't have blah blah blah blah blah, Like how

496
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 2: did you circumvent that?

497
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: Well, it was more about trying to understand, well, what

498
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: are they looking for? This is a biotech company. I

499
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: thought this was this mythical creature that actually I thought

500
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: it was so different because pharmaceuticals and vitamins and supplements

501
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 1: and healthcare I understood that, but I didn't understand medtech

502
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: or biotech. I thought that there was something quite different.

503
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 1: And then when I got asked to have a to

504
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: be put in the position of applying for this particular

505
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 1: role and going into the selection process, I looked quizzically

506
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 1: and said, well, what is it about me that you're

507
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: looking for in this particular role. And until I understood

508
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: what they really wanted, I then I didn't. I didn't

509
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: back myself. And when I knew what they were looking for,

510
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 1: I thought like, I'm in right, I'm all in, And

511
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: I didn't worry about the science part because I knew

512
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: I had a whole lot of people that could teach me.

513
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: It's when you come into a role, I think, where

514
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: you don't know and you pretend to know that you

515
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: will fall flat on your face. It's about leveraging that

516
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: incredible tapestry of talent that exists within the organization to

517
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: become a stronger organization and the fabric of the capabilities

518
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: and competencies that exist that the team becomes so powerful

519
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 1: and so high performing. Knowing your role and doing your

520
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,959
Speaker 1: role and doing it very very well is key, and

521
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: not pretending to be able to do someone else's role

522
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: very very well. Get the person and recruit that person

523
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: for that team, for you and that team. That's what

524
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: I look for. As soon as I understood what they

525
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: were looking for, I.

526
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 2: Was all in, Yeah, that's so interesting. And I think

527
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 2: in that moment where you know, women in particular. But

528
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 2: many people get crippled with self doubt when they're about

529
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: to apply for something new. I think that's such a

530
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: good attitude. You just be like, Okay, well, those are

531
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 2: the things I'm not, but these are the things I am.

532
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 2: These are the things I do bring to the table.

533
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 2: And this is where I feel a gap for the

534
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: existing patchwork. I think that's just like, it's so straightforward,

535
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 2: but it's just not what your brain automatically does. You

536
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 2: automatically go to the fear kind of center. But I

537
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,719
Speaker 2: think that's so so refreshing, and obviously you've gone on

538
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 2: to do incredible things with it. So tell us about

539
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 2: the company, about what it does, about the amazing I mean,

540
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 2: these non invasive saliva genetic tests like tell us everything.

541
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: Tell us the science, tell us how it's come about

542
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 2: and what it can do.

543
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: Well, let me get tell you when I'm not not

544
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: a doctor or scientist, so I'm going to the science.

545
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: I won't go deep into the science. I'll keep it simple.

546
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: I'll keep it relevant for what it's all about. But okay,

547
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: it looks at an individual's risk of getting a serious

548
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: disease where there may be no pathogenic mutation and no

549
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,239
Speaker 1: family history, because in many instances you find that in

550
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: say some of the cancers that we talk about, eighty

551
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: five percent of the cancers that are diagnosed or discovered

552
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: each year with the individual are random or sporadic. So,

553
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: for example, if we talk a little bit about say

554
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: breast cancer, breast cancer and the Bracker gene, that many

555
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: people would know about it bake famous through the likes

556
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: of Angelina Jolie where she discovered she had bracco and

557
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: then had the double nystectomy as a prophylactic surgery. That

558
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: only accounts for about five percent of the cancers diagnosed anially,

559
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: when you look at things like familial history, that only

560
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: accounts for about ten percent. The other eighty five percent

561
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: is random. So that's consistent with maybe cholorectal cancer, avarian cancer,

562
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: breast cancer, and a number of other serious diseases. So

563
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: the team have actually developed a combination of not only

564
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: genetic markers beyond Bracker for example, plus clinical risk questions

565
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: like your age mis BMI, things like menopausal status for example,

566
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: that gives you that with the genetics as your own

567
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: individual risk in the next five years or lifetime of

568
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: getting that serious disease and the team have developed these

569
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: tests through a saliva test and a simple questionnaire, so

570
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: you can work with your doctor to create a really wonderful,

571
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: proactive surveillance program for you if you're at high risk

572
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: of any of those diseases. So I think one of

573
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: the things that we're trying to do is making sure

574
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: that we break down that fear of oh, I'm at

575
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: high risk of getting breast cancer. Okay, if you're at

576
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: an elevated risk of getting breast cancer, you can have

577
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: an annual MRI, a mammogram, an ultrasound, and you can

578
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: catch it early at stage one, where there's something like

579
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: a ninety eight percent survival rate, Whereas if you didn't

580
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: know that and it came on on st later on

581
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: in life, stage three, stage four, this survival rates diminished

582
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: so much so from our team, our science team, they've

583
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: developed this wonderful tests which tests for a range of

584
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: serious diseases approase, cancers, and cardiovascular and metabolic diseases, where

585
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: you can create a really proactive and preventative health plan

586
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: with your doctor around these serious diseases and catch it early,

587
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: so then early detection will ultimately save lives. And that's

588
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: what we're about the test itself is not a diagnostic.

589
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: It's not going to tell you whether you've got cancer

590
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: or not. It's going to tell you your risk. This

591
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: is the population and that's really what the wonderful team

592
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: have done here develop these in My job now is

593
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: to tell everybody about it so that they can take

594
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 1: a really proactive approach to managing their health, which is

595
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: ultimately what we want to do.

596
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's absolutely incredible, and increasingly you see

597
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 2: that half the battle in a lot of these areas

598
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: and a lot of these cancers is the awareness like

599
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: late detection is often part of the problem because people

600
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: haven't you know, known that there was access to earlier

601
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: kind of tests that you could do that could help

602
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: manage things earlier. And I was particularly I mean, you know,

603
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: I'm adopted, so I was particularly fascinated by this because

604
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: I've always thought I don't have any family history, like

605
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about my family background, thinking that

606
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: that was a huge disadvantage. But learning that family history

607
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: is really only ten percent of those cases anyway, and

608
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: it's kind of tests like this that allow you to

609
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: find out a full picture of your health regardless of

610
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 2: what your family history is I think that it just

611
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: fascinated me so much that this technology is even possible

612
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: and with a saliva test as well, like something as

613
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: simple as that is just remarkable. So I mean, how

614
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,479
Speaker 2: long has it been in the works and is it

615
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: available to consumers? Like how can you go and get

616
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: the tests?

617
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: So the tests been developed over the last set of

618
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: teen years from the team. We launched this new version

619
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: of the test probably in about May last year, so

620
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: just on twelve months ago, and we keep adding to tests.

621
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: So this year we'll be adding probably three new tests

622
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: through melanoma which is a really big important one, hand

623
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: created cancer, and atrial fibrillation vessel no way, so we'll

624
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: order that. We've got currentra uy diseases in there as well,

625
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: prostate cancer for men as well chlorectal which is now

626
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: becoming increasingly so the screening age of colorectal cancer in

627
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: Australia is about fifty, but we can start to identify

628
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: risk from the ages of forty about elevated levels of

629
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: risk from about the ages of forty through this test.

630
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: Talking to your doctor ordering this test online that can

631
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: do it via our website to order that. We'll get

632
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: in touch with them that results have to go back

633
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: to an individual via their physician. We can't find somebody

634
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: at a high risk of a serious disease and give

635
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: them back the results and say, oh, good luck with that.

636
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: It's just completely irresponsible. So you can order the test

637
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: directly through us, give us your doctors details, the reports

638
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: will go back. There's simple reports, there are a couple

639
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: of pages, and I think most importantly, there's actionable outcomes.

640
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: They're easy to understand the results, and if you're an

641
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: elevator risk, there are things that you can do. And

642
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: that's probably the fundamental philosophy behind all of the tests

643
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: that we do. Every test that we do has to

644
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: have an abilit bloy of action to be taken if

645
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: somebody is at a high risk, whether it be increased

646
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: levels of surveillance, increased levels of screening, potential with your doctor,

647
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: risk reducing medications, whether it be breast in ovarian cancer,

648
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: there's a number of different options that can be taken.

649
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: I think one of the biggest misconceptions out there is

650
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: that if I'm at high risk, there's nothing that I

651
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: can do. In fact, there is. There's lots of things

652
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: that people can do to minimize or reduce their risk,

653
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: whether it be lifestyle changes, whether it be medication, and

654
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: it's up to them. And they're doctors to talk about

655
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: anything Bible radical with regards to say prophilactic surgeries and

656
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: things like that where it becomes the breast of of

657
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: aerian cancer. But yeah, with your doctor, with your doctor's consent,

658
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: we can do the test. And there's actually our laboratory

659
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: for all of our samples in the United States and

660
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: in Australia are done here locally in Melbourne, so the

661
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: tests are actually all done in our lab here in Melbourne.

662
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: So it's really cool. The facility that we've got that

663
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: we can do all these tests yet is really cool.

664
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it's so cool.

665
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: I don't actually think I mentioned at the start, guys,

666
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: but the name of test is gene Type and I'll

667
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: make sure to put all the links in the show

668
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: notes as well so you can find out more about it.

669
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: But another thing, like, I'm sure if you google it, guys,

670
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: you will also find that Simon has been in Gartia,

671
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 2: which is the fashion magazine feature that we were talking about.

672
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,959
Speaker 2: So in your role as CEO, what is I mean

673
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: for people who I think we hear the word CEO

674
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: all the time and kind of understand that it's a

675
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: big executive role and you make big scary decisions and

676
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: you're responsible for a lot of stuff. But a lot

677
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 2: of people don't actually understand what you do day to day,

678
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 2: Like if you're not doing the science and you know

679
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: that wasn't why they kind of came to you.

680
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: What are you doing? What are you doing day to day?

681
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: What are your responsibilities?

682
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: There's probably plenty of people around here that ask the

683
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: same question.

684
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, inside the company, what are you doing all day?

685
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: What do you actually do?

686
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

687
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 3: What does a CEO do?

688
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: So I've just gome back from an amazing trip in

689
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: the United States. We went to Boston, New York, and

690
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: DC over the lastly eight days. It was a whirlwind

691
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: trip and it focuses on probably four cay areas. Partnership

692
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:08,719
Speaker 1: opportunities with large biotech companies, meetings with doctors and physicians

693
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: whether they be integrative and functional medicine doctors, meeting with investors,

694
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: and a number of prs. So there's really four key

695
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: areas to what we do with that. It's all about

696
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: business development, whether they be near bestor community in the

697
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: community with clinicians to talk with patients, hartnering opportunities with

698
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: large biotech or farmer companies as well, and those investors

699
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: there are critical to the support and advocacy of the

700
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: brand and of the products out there. So that's my

701
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: primary role is to set the strategy for the team

702
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: and help the team execute the strategy as best they

703
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: can by resourcing them with finances, the capital markets or

704
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: through partnership opportunities out there, whether they be in the

705
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: US or here in Australia. We focus on those two

706
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: markets predominantly because that's where we need to get that

707
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: right first, and then we'll expand up into other regions

708
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: such as Europe and Southeast and some other countries as well.

709
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: But at the moment, we've got to work cut out

710
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: for us educating the likes of the United States and

711
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: Australia first, get that right, and then we'll continue to

712
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: lock it into other markets. But from a CEO's perspective,

713
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: it's all about setting the direction and building the team

714
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: around us to execute that plan as best we can

715
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: in every aspect we can.

716
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my goodness, that's a huge, huge responsibility for

717
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: you to be making, you know, those big directional decisions

718
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: and guiding the company to where you want it to be.

719
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: What is kind of the big vision, like what would

720
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 2: you ideally like to see, like, for example, at the

721
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 2: moment that you're testing for an increasing number of different conditions,

722
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 2: what the ultimate goal to have it accessible to a

723
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: certain amount of people or in a certain amount of markets.

724
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: There's a few one is ultimately getting this as part

725
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: of the standard of care. So at the moment we

726
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: get at the age of fifty, they give you out

727
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: an envelope for colorectal cancer to screen to see your

728
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: risk of the color rectal cancer, we want to make

729
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: sure that this particular test could be part of the

730
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: standard of care from the ages of thirty or thirty

731
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: five onwards for all of those diseases, so that we

732
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: can then screen appropriately for those people that need the

733
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: right surveillance. Because at the moment we're told that everyone

734
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: has to screen and be protected against every disease. But

735
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: if we can actually identify who's actually at the high

736
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: risk of what disease, we can actually spend that taxpayers

737
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: health care money much much better and far more targeted

738
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: and to be far more efficient, because they need to

739
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: save money somewhere, so we can say this group of

740
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: people need an increased level of screening for breast cancer,

741
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: these people need an increased level of screening for correctal

742
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: cancer because we've stratified the population, and that means that

743
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: even though there are average risk doesn't mean there are

744
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: no risks, which is that their normal protocols will follow.

745
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: But if you get an increased level of risk and

746
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: then you then increase that level of surveillance, you're going

747
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: to catch it early. Essays, you're going to be a

748
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: cheaper cost to treat from a medication point of view,

749
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: so we can actually add an amazing amount of efficiency

750
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: to the healthcare systems around the world. The power is

751
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: not just also in the test. The power is also

752
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: in what you would do with your physician with that information.

753
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: So the power is about what you do with your

754
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: doctor about levels of surveillance and measurements and tracking your

755
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: own health over the course of your lifetime with that

756
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: based on your knowledge of what you're potentially at risk of.

757
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: That's where we then have a true opportunity to increase

758
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: the health of populations worldwide, and that's the ultimate vision.

759
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: Have it as part of the standard of care stratify

760
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: the population, make sure we screen the right people for

761
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: the right diseases, have a better impact on the health

762
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: systems around the world, and improve the health of populations worldwide.

763
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a very very big goal, but it's

764
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: one worth striving for because I think there's the tool

765
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: and the technology not just with us, but there's so

766
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 1: many smart, amazing people out there. When I mentioned before

767
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: going to the biotech conference in Boston, there's just an

768
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: amazing talent to people out there that you get to

769
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: net with and collaborate with and link your tests with

770
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: some other people outstanding talents out there. That's for sure.

771
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, big, big goals, but incredible world changing

772
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: goals and life changing goals. And I know that there's also,

773
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're comfortable to talk about it, a

774
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 2: personal motivation as well in this kind of passion for

775
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: screening for tests.

776
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, from my perspective, I have an incredible

777
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: motivation to have a positive impact on the health of

778
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: the community's worldwide. Eye my family, we lost my sister

779
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: at the age of forty through an aggressive malamona. Very

780
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: very sad this type of test could actually identify her

781
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: risk that an elevator is and maybe we could have

782
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: actually intervened and screened more, screen more often, picked it

783
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: up earlier, and then her survival would have been as

784
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: a positive outcome of that. So from our perspective, this

785
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: is where, regardless of the disease, the early detection, that

786
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: provactive approach to surveillance and that saving of lives is

787
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: something that's deep personal purpose for me with regardless regardless

788
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 1: of which disease we're talking about, YEA as a heavy

789
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: motivation for me to get this message out there for

790
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: as many people as we possibly can, and I think

791
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: that we can do it, so that its a massive

792
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: motivation for me to make sure that we can improve

793
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: the health as many times as we can.

794
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: I think it's beautiful that that's it's kind of a

795
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 2: legacy that's tidy in as well with your motivation to

796
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 2: make these tests available and more widespread so that people

797
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 2: do have early detection and earlier plans and don't feel

798
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: like they can't do anything with that information. I think

799
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: it's like knowledge is power when it comes to your health,

800
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: and it's absolutely amazing what you're doing. But I'd also

801
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: love to touch on I think it's when you're extremely passionate.

802
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: I mean it's hard anyway, but when you're extremely passionate

803
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 2: about what you do, especially if there's some kind of

804
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: deeper personal motivation behind what you're doing, that then the

805
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: inability to switch off, the lack of desire to switch

806
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: off when you've got these big global goals and you

807
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 2: know that the outcome is positive for people all around

808
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 2: the world. Like, why would there be a motivation for

809
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 2: you to sort of slow down or shut down? How

810
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: do you bring yourself back to take a break when

811
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: you know that every minute you put in is kind

812
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 2: of actually changing lives at the other end, do you rest?

813
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: Ever? Yes? Have to? You have to because burnout is key.

814
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 1: I mean, when you work in a business that sort

815
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: of transatlantic and you're across multiple countries, the desire or

816
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: the risk of starting early in the morning from a

817
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: different time zone, finishing late at night at a different

818
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: time zone, and then working through the day, burnout is real.

819
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: So switching off and I don't want to sort of

820
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: throw away the line of balance. The balance is key,

821
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: and I'm very fortunately we talked earlier about the sort

822
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: of the commonality between Nick and I and bike riding

823
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: and things like that exercise is key. Exercise is key,

824
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: and I've got a wonderful group of mates who we

825
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 1: come from all walks of life and we just enjoy

826
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: each other's company out there on the bike, whether it

827
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: be coffee or a beer or a ride. But that

828
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: to me is critical from a switch off perspective, and

829
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: I value that incredibly, whether it be a couple of

830
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: mornings a week with the guys, have a very very

831
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: social ride with them and a coffee before work, or

832
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: a longer ride on the weekend or a weekend the

833
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: way a couple of times a year, those types of

834
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: things are just so important because you're in an area

835
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: where work doesn't matter, that your make to do and

836
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: those families do. And I think that's something that's really important.

837
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 1: So whilst balance is overused so often, it is something

838
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: that's really really important. So be able to switch off

839
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 1: and do that that's incredible.

840
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: I also think it's like the irony of working in

841
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: healthcare and wellness for a lot of people, is it

842
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: that they get so passionate about the work they're doing

843
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: that then their own wellness and health care kind of

844
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: just like falls to the bottom of the list because

845
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: you're just you know, you're doing something so meaningful, it's like, well,

846
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 2: I don't want to stop because I'm helping other people

847
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 2: get well. And I think, like, you know, that was

848
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: us at the start of match Imaden was I was

849
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: trying to be a healthcare you know, wellness warrior and

850
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: like burning myself into the ground ironically doing that. But

851
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: I'm very, very glad that you found a plata in

852
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: something that kind of gives you some semblance of balance.

853
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: But I also think tied in with that is people's

854
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: ability to kind of separate their identity from productivity and success.

855
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 2: And like success is this huge buzzword that we've become

856
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: obsessed within our modern society in a really good way,

857
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: Like there's so much hustle. People are so ambitious and

858
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 2: gold driven, and really the possibilities are endless. At the moment,

859
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: you can kind of be anyone and do anything. But

860
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: I think it's very hard to put in boundaries that

861
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: stop the incessant pace of life kind of eating you up.

862
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 2: What is your relationship to success? Is that the measure

863
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: of kind of do you measure your life by success?

864
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: Or what are your life metrics? And have they changed

865
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: over time? Do you have a good relationship to success

866
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: or do you not even use that word, Like, how

867
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: do you kind of assess yourself?

868
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: First and foremost, it's not about me. It's about what

869
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: we can do to me, regardless about the organization. It's

870
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: about what I can be for the organization. There's a

871
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 1: work part of it, and then there's a home part

872
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: of it. One of the things that I truly value

873
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: in my life outside of work from a balance perspective,

874
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: which I meet sure as a milestone of success, is

875
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: that I take my middle daughter to school every day

876
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: and we have a hot chocolate or a coffee on

877
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: the way to school. Now sometimes I'm lucky enough to

878
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: get a conversation now. Other times she's just sitting there,

879
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: not so much sitting there right beside me. Sometimes she's

880
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: just sitting there. But I see that as a wonderful

881
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: to me. It's a personal and career and a life

882
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: success that I prioritize making sure that we drive to

883
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: school together. She'll get the bus home because I can't

884
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: manage to figure up from school. But if I need

885
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: to get up early, I'll do a couple of meetings beforehand,

886
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: but I'll always have that half an hour with her

887
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: on the way to school. We'll get a hot chocolate

888
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: or a coffee on the way to school, and that's

889
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: something that I think is to me an intangible measure

890
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: of success for me personally, and I really enjoy value

891
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: that time. Of really value that time. From a work perspective,

892
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: the amount of it's a really interesting dynamic at the

893
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: moment because we're seeing an incredible amount of staff turnover

894
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: in organizations around the world at the moment. Turnover of

895
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: organizations has probably never been so high, but it's something

896
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: that from my perspective, when I look at the amount

897
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: of people that have left our organization over the last

898
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: two years, the amount of people that have gone on

899
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: to more successful career moves and their motivations to move

900
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: is wow. I've just been given this once in a

901
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: lifetime opportunity and we've had a part to playing growing

902
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: that person professionally. To me is an incredible, powerful and

903
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: proud success moment of the organization because you're helping people

904
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: become more to another organization and you've had a part

905
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: to play in that. So there's some really important measures

906
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: of success from me in my role and they're not

907
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: about me, but they're about the people around us and

908
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: the overall success of the older Now they're regrettable loss

909
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: sometimes because they're such talented people, but you know that

910
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 1: they're going on to do something so wonderful and so powerful,

911
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: and for them it's a personal milestone that they've achieved,

912
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: and for me you have played a part in that

913
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: to help grow them, to get them to that position.

914
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: I take that as a real badge of honor and

915
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: a real proud moment there that they've become sort of successful.

916
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: So from my perspective, there's a couple of measures of

917
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: success in life that I hold very vdi from a

918
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 1: family perspective and from a career at a work perspective.

919
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: But setting people up for success and their next role

920
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: in life. For work, to me is really what the

921
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: purpose is My role is and to continue to grow

922
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: that talent pool, whether they're my kids or whether they're

923
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: people that work with me here at the office.

924
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 2: That is such an incredibly well adjusted answer. I love

925
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 2: that so much because most people like, it's a mess

926
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: work life. It's all the same. It's tangled, bro, You're like, no,

927
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: these are my delineated reasons in each area.

928
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 3: I love it so much.

929
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: I still get home, and it's a bit of a

930
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: basket case at home too. It's a bit of a circus.

931
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 3: Oh good, Okay, we love to hear this.

932
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: It's still a circus. Welcome to the circus. But it's

933
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 1: a couple of pretty exciting moments anywhere. And then when

934
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: your eldest staugh is now so she's my eldest is

935
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: nearly twenty. She's off overseas and she's over with a girlfriend.

936
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: And I think another proud moment is when she's not

937
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: afraid to send me her late night drunken videos from

938
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: the nightclub and facetiming when she's at the clubs and

939
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: loving her You know what, that's a pretty successful moment

940
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: when she's very comfortable and happy to share that those

941
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: types of videos with you, I think, I mean, that's good.

942
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 3: Oh that is a great fatherhood success right there.

943
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: I don't mind them my favorite videos. I'd rather get

944
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: them than not get them.

945
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 3: One hundred Oh that's lovely.

946
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:16,479
Speaker 1: Well.

947
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 2: I think the last thing that we usually finish up

948
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 2: on is getting people to reflect on, you know, outside

949
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: of your productive self and your successful self and you know,

950
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: work identity, the things that just are your joy and

951
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 2: it's beautiful that I haven't even had to ask you

952
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 2: that question for quite a few of them to have

953
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 2: already come out, because they are, you know, at the

954
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 2: forefront of your priorities, like spending time with your kids

955
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: and getting out and going for a ride. Is there

956
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 2: anything else that helps you just switch off? Are you

957
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: a Netflix binger? Do you watch TV at all? Do

958
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: you read books like What's Your Just Downtime?

959
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: It's funny, it's my I'm not a Netflix finger and

960
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: I've never really got into that a lot from shows

961
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: from time to time. I'm a bit of closet f

962
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: one fan.

963
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 2: Oh I do.

964
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: And in fact, I've just booked a trip this week

965
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: with my dad to go to the Singapore Grand Prix

966
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: in September later on this year, stop it so he

967
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: and I go into that race later in the year.

968
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: We've done it a few times together. But I'm a

969
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: big sort of Formula one fan.

970
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 3: Don't tell Nick because he'll turn up.

971
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: So I did, and I try and go and do

972
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: a different race each year. So we're really fortunate over

973
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: the years to have I did take my wife to Milan.

974
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: It was for a birthday one year, and it just

975
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: so happened that the Mon's of Grand Prix was on

976
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 1: the same day.

977
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: It just so happened.

978
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: Surprise, I'd seen my life into my own hands. I

979
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: said to her, you can go shopping in Milam while

980
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: I go to the Grand Prix for the day and

981
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: then we'll meet up for dinner. It was her birthday

982
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: and we keep that one there a couple of years ago.

983
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: But she came to the least you didn't go shopping,

984
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: so good idea. So that's one of the things I'd

985
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: like to do as a bit of a treat to myself,

986
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: a bit of a ward for hard work, is to

987
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: go and enjoy the f one around the world and

988
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,439
Speaker 1: do a couple of cool races from time to time.

989
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: So so it's the jewel in the crown would have

990
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: to be the Monaco race. That was just pretty incredible.

991
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 3: Oh I love that.

992
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I won't mention to Nink about Singapore because

993
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: he might just turn up and be.

994
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 3: Like, oh, Simon, I'm joining in on the tree.

995
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 2: Well, very last question for you today, which I'm sure

996
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 2: you knew, I was going to ask, what is your

997
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: favorite quote? Oh, it doesn't have to be from the

998
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 2: Flip books, by the way, because I know you've read

999
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 2: them all.

1000
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: It's funny. I go back to that relationship moment that

1001
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: I have with my daughter and she only asked me

1002
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: this last two days ago. She said, Dad, give me

1003
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: a quote that I can get tattooed right hot, here

1004
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: we go, so open fatherhood moment there. So I think,

1005
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: and I think to myself, and we were just chatting

1006
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: about what could you write which is sort of indelibly

1007
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: linked on your body forever? And I think it was

1008
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: through very simple you are enough because she went through

1009
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: a challenging times that everything to me was one of

1010
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: those moments where yeah, you are enough, was where I

1011
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: think kids put themselves under so much pressure these days

1012
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: to benchmark themselves against everything else. Now, I think that

1013
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: probably not my favorite quote, the one that's favorite and

1014
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: most relevant to my kids, regardless of what life stays

1015
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: they're at. So she only asked me that two days ago.

1016
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: So let's see if she comes back from Bali with anyone,

1017
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: and I'll report.

1018
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 2: Back, Oh my god, they gave me goosebumps though, because

1019
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 2: I think that's all anyone needs to hear from anyone

1020
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 2: who loves them, you know, like that's the I think

1021
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 2: the root of a lot of most kind of issues,

1022
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: the self doubt, the lack of confidence, the fear, the

1023
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: uncertainty in life. Like someone who you love, just telling

1024
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: you that you are enough is truly the greatest affirmation

1025
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 2: I think you could you could ever give. So I'm

1026
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 2: almost about to go and get that tattooed on myself

1027
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 2: now because I think it's just such a beautiful, beautiful quote.

1028
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: You want to say, I'm enough.

1029
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: Yes, so I'm not constantly telling everyone else that they

1030
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 2: are enough. It's a selfless tattoo. Oh, Simon, thank you

1031
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 2: so much. This was absolutely amazing. It's been just so

1032
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 2: nice to chat with you, and I think you're doing

1033
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 2: such amazing work and it's a privilege to be able

1034
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: to share that with the neighborhood. I'll make sure to

1035
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 2: include all the links in the show notes to gene

1036
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 2: type and everything else that you're doing.

1037
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having me appreciate it.

1038
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, Wow, isn't Simon just amazing And the world

1039
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: of medtech and biotech, it's just people are literally saving lives.

1040
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: What an incredible, incredible story. I hope you guys enjoyed

1041
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,760
Speaker 2: listening to this week's episode with Simon. You can find

1042
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: out more about his work in the links. In the

1043
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 2: show notes, I'll put all of the links to the

1044
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 2: information the Grazzia articles that you can read about that,

1045
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,479
Speaker 2: and we will be back very soon with the next

1046
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 2: Yays of Our Lives episode with my favorite human in

1047
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: the whole entire world, who might have actually helped write

1048
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: this script as I'm just reading that right now, and

1049
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 2: she is my life.

1050
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 3: She is my life. I love her.

1051
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 2: That is literally the script she wrote for me. This

1052
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 2: is the first week that she's written my script and

1053
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 2: I kind of like it. So I hope that you

1054
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 2: guys are having an amazing week and are seizing your

1055
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 2: yay