1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 1: So much you're listening to Amma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:20,584 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:25,224 --> 00:00:28,024 Speaker 1: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop 5 00:00:28,064 --> 00:00:30,744 Speaker 1: culture fix. I'm Cassenya Lukicch. 6 00:00:30,464 --> 00:00:31,744 Speaker 2: And I'm Taylor Straano. 7 00:00:32,104 --> 00:00:33,464 Speaker 1: So today on the show, we're going to be talking 8 00:00:33,504 --> 00:00:36,464 Speaker 1: about Prince Andrew being stripped of his royal title and 9 00:00:36,504 --> 00:00:39,584 Speaker 1: what that kind of means for the royal family. Taylor 10 00:00:39,664 --> 00:00:42,424 Speaker 1: is going to take us through all of that. Plus 11 00:00:42,504 --> 00:00:45,584 Speaker 1: Oasis have taken over Melbourne and we absolutely love all 12 00:00:45,584 --> 00:00:48,624 Speaker 1: the footage and seeing the brothers together after fifteen years 13 00:00:48,704 --> 00:00:51,024 Speaker 1: is absolutely crazy and if you don't know their history, 14 00:00:51,144 --> 00:00:53,464 Speaker 1: we're going to take you guys through it. There are 15 00:00:53,464 --> 00:00:58,464 Speaker 1: some crazy moments. But first, Halloween was over the weekend 16 00:00:58,544 --> 00:01:03,624 Speaker 1: on Friday night and the celebrities really really took us 17 00:01:03,864 --> 00:01:05,544 Speaker 1: out with their costumes. 18 00:01:06,144 --> 00:01:09,184 Speaker 3: I love Halloween for no other reason than just to 19 00:01:09,224 --> 00:01:12,464 Speaker 3: see the length that celebrities will go to to dress 20 00:01:12,544 --> 00:01:14,824 Speaker 3: up and entertain us. Right, Like, I personally don't partake 21 00:01:14,904 --> 00:01:17,064 Speaker 3: kis and you know that you've got kids, maybe it's 22 00:01:17,064 --> 00:01:19,104 Speaker 3: something that's worked its way into your world. 23 00:01:19,584 --> 00:01:20,464 Speaker 2: Is that Racurro. 24 00:01:20,904 --> 00:01:23,744 Speaker 1: I love a costume, I love dressing up, and I 25 00:01:23,784 --> 00:01:26,464 Speaker 1: definitely did a lot more when I was younger. New 26 00:01:26,544 --> 00:01:29,464 Speaker 1: York Halloween is probably one of the highlights of my life. 27 00:01:29,504 --> 00:01:32,264 Speaker 1: It was just such a fun moment. Now that I've 28 00:01:32,304 --> 00:01:34,424 Speaker 1: got kids, it's more about them. So the kids went 29 00:01:34,464 --> 00:01:37,104 Speaker 1: trick or treating. We had a great time. But for 30 00:01:37,264 --> 00:01:39,744 Speaker 1: me the celebs this year, there are a couple of 31 00:01:39,824 --> 00:01:44,144 Speaker 1: really great costumes and a few controversial ones as well. 32 00:01:44,264 --> 00:01:46,464 Speaker 3: Okay, Kisenya, let's talk about all of our favorite looks, 33 00:01:46,504 --> 00:01:48,544 Speaker 3: and for you following along at home, you can jump 34 00:01:48,544 --> 00:01:51,704 Speaker 3: over to our Instagram at the Spill Podcast and have 35 00:01:51,784 --> 00:01:52,904 Speaker 3: a look at all of our faves. 36 00:01:53,344 --> 00:01:55,064 Speaker 1: So I feel like we should start with the Queen 37 00:01:55,104 --> 00:01:57,024 Speaker 1: of Halloween, Heidi Clumb. 38 00:01:57,464 --> 00:01:58,984 Speaker 2: Absolutely, of course, Heidi Clum. 39 00:01:59,224 --> 00:02:01,624 Speaker 3: If Mariah Carey is the Queen of Christmas, Heidi Klum 40 00:02:01,704 --> 00:02:03,304 Speaker 3: can have Halloween all to herself. 41 00:02:03,384 --> 00:02:04,144 Speaker 2: I don't know how. 42 00:02:04,024 --> 00:02:07,064 Speaker 3: You ever top being et or a worm, but it 43 00:02:07,064 --> 00:02:09,184 Speaker 3: feels like she did this year. She teased it for 44 00:02:09,224 --> 00:02:11,344 Speaker 3: a couple of days ahead of time time, and then 45 00:02:11,424 --> 00:02:13,544 Speaker 3: we finally got that revealed Cassenya, which. 46 00:02:13,344 --> 00:02:16,584 Speaker 1: Of course was meducer. Great costume, but she kind of 47 00:02:16,624 --> 00:02:18,984 Speaker 1: took it to another level. She didn't do sexy Meducer, 48 00:02:19,224 --> 00:02:22,704 Speaker 1: she did terrifying Meduser. Now, apparently she's been wanting to 49 00:02:22,744 --> 00:02:27,144 Speaker 1: do this costume four years and it took five months 50 00:02:27,144 --> 00:02:30,224 Speaker 1: to actually get this costume organized. I also love that 51 00:02:30,264 --> 00:02:33,664 Speaker 1: her husband Tom Kalitz was dressed as a soldier who 52 00:02:33,664 --> 00:02:36,584 Speaker 1: had turned into stone, because, as we all know, if 53 00:02:36,664 --> 00:02:39,264 Speaker 1: you look at Medusa in the eyes, you turn to stone. 54 00:02:39,544 --> 00:02:42,664 Speaker 1: The only thing I think about Heidi Klumb's outfits for 55 00:02:42,704 --> 00:02:46,584 Speaker 1: Halloween is the impracticality of it all. Every single time 56 00:02:46,624 --> 00:02:48,504 Speaker 1: I see her, I'm like, how is she going to 57 00:02:48,584 --> 00:02:51,664 Speaker 1: the toilet? How is she breathing? How is she eating? 58 00:02:51,784 --> 00:02:53,584 Speaker 1: How is she drinking? Like She's not going to be 59 00:02:53,584 --> 00:02:55,784 Speaker 1: having a very good time in these outfits. 60 00:02:56,144 --> 00:02:57,064 Speaker 2: Isn't that so ironic? 61 00:02:57,064 --> 00:02:59,704 Speaker 3: Though? Because we say that every time like the Metgala 62 00:02:59,784 --> 00:03:02,344 Speaker 3: rolls around her like how is Kim Kardashi impossibly going 63 00:03:02,384 --> 00:03:03,464 Speaker 3: to see out of that outfit? 64 00:03:03,584 --> 00:03:04,504 Speaker 2: Or sit down? 65 00:03:04,344 --> 00:03:06,984 Speaker 3: And the length that celebrities will go to for fashion. 66 00:03:07,024 --> 00:03:08,864 Speaker 3: I love that Heidi Clum commits to the bit, even 67 00:03:08,864 --> 00:03:11,464 Speaker 3: when it is for something as fun and silly and 68 00:03:11,464 --> 00:03:12,384 Speaker 3: frothy as Halloween. 69 00:03:12,424 --> 00:03:12,944 Speaker 2: Costumes. 70 00:03:13,064 --> 00:03:16,304 Speaker 1: But if I was thinking about her worm look and 71 00:03:16,784 --> 00:03:20,464 Speaker 1: like law, she couldn't even she didn't have arms, she 72 00:03:20,504 --> 00:03:23,504 Speaker 1: couldn't stand, like, I can't imagine that being a very 73 00:03:23,664 --> 00:03:28,064 Speaker 1: fun few hours, like I almost imagining does she does 74 00:03:28,104 --> 00:03:30,464 Speaker 1: she take a costume off when she gets inside and 75 00:03:30,464 --> 00:03:32,904 Speaker 1: like slip into something a little more comfortable. But I 76 00:03:32,944 --> 00:03:35,384 Speaker 1: remember once I actually interviewed Heidi Klohm and I was like, 77 00:03:35,424 --> 00:03:37,824 Speaker 1: can I come to your Halloween party? And She's like, yeah, yeah, 78 00:03:37,864 --> 00:03:40,384 Speaker 1: for sure, you should definitely come. I never got the 79 00:03:40,384 --> 00:03:42,584 Speaker 1: invite because. 80 00:03:42,384 --> 00:03:44,184 Speaker 2: Then you just have to rock up, Like no, Heidi 81 00:03:44,264 --> 00:03:45,504 Speaker 2: told me she. 82 00:03:45,544 --> 00:03:47,984 Speaker 1: Said I could come. She said I could come, but 83 00:03:48,024 --> 00:03:49,424 Speaker 1: do you have any favorites? 84 00:03:49,944 --> 00:03:53,344 Speaker 3: I do, obviously, Like there were photos and opportunities of 85 00:03:53,424 --> 00:03:56,264 Speaker 3: plenty across the weekend. One that really stood out to 86 00:03:56,304 --> 00:03:59,504 Speaker 3: me is Carl McLaughlin, who like has just recently, I 87 00:03:59,544 --> 00:04:01,584 Speaker 3: feel like, discovered social media and is like being an 88 00:04:01,624 --> 00:04:02,864 Speaker 3: absolute menace on there. 89 00:04:03,224 --> 00:04:04,624 Speaker 2: He and Rachel Sennett. 90 00:04:04,304 --> 00:04:07,144 Speaker 3: Recorded an episode of his podcast called. 91 00:04:06,984 --> 00:04:07,904 Speaker 2: What Are We Even Doing? 92 00:04:08,464 --> 00:04:11,904 Speaker 3: They did the entire episode It is so chaotic, dressed 93 00:04:12,024 --> 00:04:18,064 Speaker 3: as Queen Clarice Ronaldi of Genovia and Hathaway's character Mythrmopolis 94 00:04:18,104 --> 00:04:19,344 Speaker 3: from the Princess Diaries. 95 00:04:19,384 --> 00:04:20,824 Speaker 2: They do it in like full. 96 00:04:20,584 --> 00:04:24,104 Speaker 3: Cosplay, so serious, and there's these great clips of them 97 00:04:24,384 --> 00:04:26,744 Speaker 3: lip syncing to the bits in the film. I just 98 00:04:26,744 --> 00:04:28,784 Speaker 3: love cal mclaugh's and I love everything that man does. 99 00:04:28,824 --> 00:04:30,064 Speaker 2: He can do no wrong in my eyes. 100 00:04:30,304 --> 00:04:31,504 Speaker 1: They is so arcotic. 101 00:04:32,024 --> 00:04:33,304 Speaker 2: Have you seen it? I need to send you a 102 00:04:33,304 --> 00:04:33,744 Speaker 2: photo of it. 103 00:04:33,904 --> 00:04:36,104 Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet. Did you see Ed Sheeran 104 00:04:36,224 --> 00:04:37,184 Speaker 1: as Pennywise? 105 00:04:37,664 --> 00:04:38,224 Speaker 2: How funny? 106 00:04:38,344 --> 00:04:41,024 Speaker 3: Like people were making the comparison about like this redheaded 107 00:04:41,064 --> 00:04:43,784 Speaker 3: man wandering around terrifying children, and it's like, did he 108 00:04:43,824 --> 00:04:44,744 Speaker 3: actually dress up? 109 00:04:45,064 --> 00:04:46,184 Speaker 2: He looked so good? 110 00:04:46,664 --> 00:04:49,184 Speaker 1: It was so scary. I actually don't like really scary 111 00:04:49,224 --> 00:04:51,624 Speaker 1: Calloween costumes. Maybe I'm a bit of a wurz. Like 112 00:04:51,704 --> 00:04:53,904 Speaker 1: I know, Halloween is supposed to be like a little 113 00:04:53,944 --> 00:04:56,744 Speaker 1: bit scary, but I can't. I'm too much of a wartz. 114 00:04:56,824 --> 00:04:57,624 Speaker 1: I don't love it. 115 00:04:58,144 --> 00:05:02,024 Speaker 3: How do you feel about life imitating art, or rather 116 00:05:02,144 --> 00:05:04,064 Speaker 3: art imitating life? Because, of course, one of the most 117 00:05:04,064 --> 00:05:07,984 Speaker 3: controversial costumes is Halloween is of one Miss Julia Fox, 118 00:05:08,024 --> 00:05:12,584 Speaker 3: who decided to dress up as Jackie Kennedy. Jackie Kennedy 119 00:05:12,904 --> 00:05:16,224 Speaker 3: basically immediately after JFK was assassinated in the pink suit. 120 00:05:16,264 --> 00:05:18,224 Speaker 3: She had the beautiful makeup and hair done, and then 121 00:05:18,264 --> 00:05:19,744 Speaker 3: obviously all of the bloodstain. 122 00:05:19,944 --> 00:05:21,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, so a lot of people thought this was in 123 00:05:21,824 --> 00:05:24,064 Speaker 1: very poor taste. She got quite a lot of backlash 124 00:05:24,104 --> 00:05:27,304 Speaker 1: for it. She did actually respond on her Instagram saying 125 00:05:27,304 --> 00:05:30,904 Speaker 1: that her intent with the costume was not to mock her, 126 00:05:30,944 --> 00:05:33,344 Speaker 1: but to show that this was such a mark of 127 00:05:33,464 --> 00:05:36,904 Speaker 1: strength for Jackie Kennedy and like kind of paying tribute 128 00:05:36,944 --> 00:05:40,424 Speaker 1: to her, almost, which I kind of understand. So the 129 00:05:40,504 --> 00:05:44,824 Speaker 1: reason that Jackie Kennedy didn't take off her suit is, 130 00:05:45,384 --> 00:05:47,824 Speaker 1: you know, she was offered to have a change of 131 00:05:47,864 --> 00:05:51,784 Speaker 1: clothes when Lyndon Johnson was inaugurated on the plane on 132 00:05:51,824 --> 00:05:54,464 Speaker 1: Air Force one, but she said that she didn't want 133 00:05:54,464 --> 00:05:57,304 Speaker 1: to change. She wanted people to see the blood. Obviously, 134 00:05:57,344 --> 00:05:58,784 Speaker 1: she was in a state of trauma, in a state 135 00:05:58,824 --> 00:06:01,504 Speaker 1: of shock. So I kind of see where she's coming 136 00:06:01,544 --> 00:06:03,944 Speaker 1: from there. But a lot of people thought it was 137 00:06:03,944 --> 00:06:07,584 Speaker 1: in very poor taste. So Jack Scoldsberg, who's actually John F. 138 00:06:07,624 --> 00:06:11,304 Speaker 1: Kennedy's grandson, has made a comment about this and said 139 00:06:11,344 --> 00:06:14,744 Speaker 1: that it was disgusting, desperate, and dangerous for her to 140 00:06:15,464 --> 00:06:18,384 Speaker 1: wear this costume. What are your thoughts on it? Taylor? 141 00:06:18,864 --> 00:06:20,864 Speaker 3: Look, I've gone back and forth on this a lot. 142 00:06:20,904 --> 00:06:23,304 Speaker 3: We often talk about with celebrities and when it comes 143 00:06:23,304 --> 00:06:26,104 Speaker 3: to things like costume parties, where is the line right? 144 00:06:26,144 --> 00:06:28,584 Speaker 3: And for me, the line is cultural appropriation. I don't 145 00:06:28,584 --> 00:06:29,944 Speaker 3: think you should be dressing up as a of a 146 00:06:29,984 --> 00:06:33,384 Speaker 3: person's culture. It's not your costume. I can see on 147 00:06:33,464 --> 00:06:37,344 Speaker 3: a personal note why this would offend people. However, this 148 00:06:37,504 --> 00:06:40,704 Speaker 3: was such an important moment in time. It's less about 149 00:06:40,784 --> 00:06:43,384 Speaker 3: Jackie Kennedy. It's more about the moment that it represents 150 00:06:43,384 --> 00:06:46,104 Speaker 3: and what that represents, right, And you can look into 151 00:06:46,104 --> 00:06:48,504 Speaker 3: this in as many ways as you want. I think, 152 00:06:48,664 --> 00:06:52,024 Speaker 3: up until about this morning, before we started recording this podcast, 153 00:06:52,344 --> 00:06:54,504 Speaker 3: I was very much like, I don't think. 154 00:06:54,384 --> 00:06:55,264 Speaker 2: It's that serious. 155 00:06:55,544 --> 00:06:59,584 Speaker 3: I'm pretty okay with it until somebody made reference to 156 00:06:59,904 --> 00:07:03,024 Speaker 3: another recent public assassination that had happened, which is of 157 00:07:03,104 --> 00:07:05,624 Speaker 3: one Charlie kirk In. Regardless of how you feel about 158 00:07:05,904 --> 00:07:07,744 Speaker 3: that man, that is something that happened in the same 159 00:07:07,784 --> 00:07:10,304 Speaker 3: political sphere this year, and I don't think that would 160 00:07:10,304 --> 00:07:13,384 Speaker 3: be an appropriate outfit to wear to Halloween. 161 00:07:13,504 --> 00:07:15,984 Speaker 2: So the jury is still out for me. What about you. 162 00:07:16,264 --> 00:07:18,464 Speaker 1: I want to have like fun on Halloween, you know, 163 00:07:18,624 --> 00:07:20,904 Speaker 1: like I don't want to be making a political statement 164 00:07:20,944 --> 00:07:24,384 Speaker 1: on Halloween. The joy for me is seeing people have 165 00:07:24,504 --> 00:07:28,904 Speaker 1: a great time dress up in fun costumes, wild costumes, 166 00:07:28,944 --> 00:07:32,024 Speaker 1: extravagant costumes. That for me is the joy of it. 167 00:07:32,344 --> 00:07:34,424 Speaker 1: Like I look at like g Flip and Kroschelle who 168 00:07:34,504 --> 00:07:38,344 Speaker 1: went as like Barbie and Ken and g flips in 169 00:07:38,384 --> 00:07:41,224 Speaker 1: a full Barbie costume and Kroshchelle's dressed up as Ken, 170 00:07:41,264 --> 00:07:43,504 Speaker 1: Like that's the kind of joy I want to see 171 00:07:44,144 --> 00:07:47,584 Speaker 1: on Halloween. I don't really want to see politic commentary 172 00:07:47,704 --> 00:07:49,864 Speaker 1: happening behind it. I don't think it's necessary. 173 00:07:50,624 --> 00:07:52,784 Speaker 3: My last one to throw in as a favorite, and 174 00:07:52,824 --> 00:07:54,664 Speaker 3: people who were able to take the joke and run 175 00:07:54,704 --> 00:07:57,024 Speaker 3: with it is Catside, the girl group out of LA. 176 00:07:57,224 --> 00:07:58,344 Speaker 1: I loved this moment. 177 00:07:58,784 --> 00:08:01,224 Speaker 2: This was so fun and like talk about being self aware. 178 00:08:01,304 --> 00:08:03,424 Speaker 3: Basically earlier this year, they were asked on a red 179 00:08:03,464 --> 00:08:06,664 Speaker 3: carpet what their favorite Mariah Carey video clip was and 180 00:08:06,704 --> 00:08:10,064 Speaker 3: none of them could basically name one. So they've taken 181 00:08:10,064 --> 00:08:12,864 Speaker 3: that which has gone so viral of them, they flipped 182 00:08:12,864 --> 00:08:14,744 Speaker 3: it on their head and this year, every single member 183 00:08:14,784 --> 00:08:17,264 Speaker 3: of that band rocked up in an iconic Mariah Carey 184 00:08:17,344 --> 00:08:17,864 Speaker 3: video clip. 185 00:08:17,904 --> 00:08:19,264 Speaker 2: Look, it was so good. 186 00:08:19,384 --> 00:08:22,704 Speaker 1: That is how you successfully do like a interpretation of 187 00:08:22,984 --> 00:08:25,144 Speaker 1: a bad moment. You know, you take it on the chin, 188 00:08:25,264 --> 00:08:27,864 Speaker 1: you make fun of it, you satirize it, and you 189 00:08:28,384 --> 00:08:31,424 Speaker 1: enjoy it. Last one for me Liso as a twenty 190 00:08:31,464 --> 00:08:33,864 Speaker 1: four carrot laboo boo. It was so good. 191 00:08:33,904 --> 00:08:36,344 Speaker 3: I have that sound from the TikTok just playing in 192 00:08:36,384 --> 00:08:39,024 Speaker 3: my head of that very posh British lady's accent. 193 00:08:39,064 --> 00:08:39,784 Speaker 2: It's so good. 194 00:08:39,944 --> 00:08:41,024 Speaker 1: I'd love her. I love her. 195 00:08:43,184 --> 00:08:43,504 Speaker 2: Okay. 196 00:08:43,584 --> 00:08:45,984 Speaker 3: So obviously, the biggest news story right now is coming 197 00:08:45,984 --> 00:08:47,904 Speaker 3: out of the UK, and it's something they kicked off 198 00:08:47,944 --> 00:08:51,224 Speaker 3: on Friday, but actually has a far deeper history than that. 199 00:08:51,224 --> 00:08:53,944 Speaker 3: Because Senya, we're talking about the royal family before we 200 00:08:53,984 --> 00:08:57,224 Speaker 3: go any further, where do you find yourself on the 201 00:08:57,264 --> 00:08:59,424 Speaker 3: spectrum of royalist or loyalist? 202 00:08:59,784 --> 00:09:02,304 Speaker 1: I love the law of the royals. I love the 203 00:09:02,464 --> 00:09:06,304 Speaker 1: history of the Royals. I find it really fascinating. However, 204 00:09:06,464 --> 00:09:08,944 Speaker 1: in terms of their like place in society today, I 205 00:09:09,304 --> 00:09:12,144 Speaker 1: am pretty indifferent it. I just find the history of 206 00:09:12,184 --> 00:09:14,904 Speaker 1: it very very interesting. But I really wanted to do 207 00:09:14,944 --> 00:09:18,384 Speaker 1: this one today because Taylor, you are obviously a host 208 00:09:18,384 --> 00:09:21,504 Speaker 1: of the Quickie, and you know so much about this 209 00:09:21,584 --> 00:09:24,304 Speaker 1: particular story. So Prince Andrew has been stripped of his titles. 210 00:09:24,704 --> 00:09:27,464 Speaker 1: And while it's obviously a news story, there's also definitely 211 00:09:27,464 --> 00:09:29,944 Speaker 1: an entertainment aspect to it because the royal family has 212 00:09:30,064 --> 00:09:34,744 Speaker 1: changed so much over the last decade, particularly after the 213 00:09:34,784 --> 00:09:38,304 Speaker 1: death of Queen Elizabeth IID. So I want to kind 214 00:09:38,304 --> 00:09:40,144 Speaker 1: of start with a question for you, is like, what 215 00:09:40,184 --> 00:09:43,704 Speaker 1: are the implications of this and why did this happen 216 00:09:43,744 --> 00:09:44,344 Speaker 1: to Andrew? 217 00:09:44,944 --> 00:09:47,544 Speaker 3: Yeah, so to go forward, we must go backwards, right, 218 00:09:47,624 --> 00:09:50,144 Speaker 3: And I'm going to try my best to surmise this 219 00:09:50,384 --> 00:09:53,544 Speaker 3: as neatly as I can. But essentially this stems back 220 00:09:53,704 --> 00:09:58,424 Speaker 3: decades where Prince Andrew aka King Charles's baby brother, also 221 00:09:58,544 --> 00:10:01,504 Speaker 3: known as Queen Elizabeth iid's favorite child. And I put 222 00:10:01,504 --> 00:10:04,344 Speaker 3: that in quotation marks because as we know, you shouldn't 223 00:10:04,344 --> 00:10:07,304 Speaker 3: have favorite children. But alas he was the baby, he 224 00:10:07,424 --> 00:10:10,664 Speaker 3: was very well loved Prince Andrew and his friends with 225 00:10:10,704 --> 00:10:12,664 Speaker 3: a man named Jeffrey Epstein, who we all know is 226 00:10:12,704 --> 00:10:15,824 Speaker 3: a convicted sex offender. He was jailed for that sex 227 00:10:15,864 --> 00:10:18,864 Speaker 3: trafficking the whole nine and who then later died in 228 00:10:18,904 --> 00:10:20,144 Speaker 3: prison by suicide. 229 00:10:20,224 --> 00:10:22,144 Speaker 1: Oh well, if you believe the Internet, there's definitely some 230 00:10:22,184 --> 00:10:24,624 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories surrounding that one. 231 00:10:24,904 --> 00:10:26,504 Speaker 3: Okay, we do not have time to go down to 232 00:10:26,544 --> 00:10:29,864 Speaker 3: the reddit hole today. Nonetheless, I move on. So basically 233 00:10:29,904 --> 00:10:32,224 Speaker 3: they've had this friendship for years. There was an infamous 234 00:10:32,224 --> 00:10:35,464 Speaker 3: BBC interview where Prince Andrew was caught out in so 235 00:10:35,624 --> 00:10:38,304 Speaker 3: many lies. He lied about how long he was friends 236 00:10:38,304 --> 00:10:41,664 Speaker 3: with Jeffrey Epstein for He also allegedly lied about a 237 00:10:41,664 --> 00:10:45,144 Speaker 3: whole bunch of interactions with one particular woman. Her name 238 00:10:45,184 --> 00:10:48,624 Speaker 3: is Virginia Jeufrey. Now, Virginia Jiufrey is one of the 239 00:10:48,664 --> 00:10:51,784 Speaker 3: most well known people who has accused Jeffrey Epstein and 240 00:10:51,824 --> 00:10:55,504 Speaker 3: Prince Andrew of some pretty serious things, including stuff like 241 00:10:55,544 --> 00:10:59,064 Speaker 3: sexual abuse. Her book came out this year. It's called 242 00:10:59,104 --> 00:11:02,624 Speaker 3: Nobody's Girl. It's a memoir and unfortunately, Virginia Dufrey also 243 00:11:02,744 --> 00:11:06,824 Speaker 3: did die by suicide in March twenty twenty five. In 244 00:11:06,864 --> 00:11:10,304 Speaker 3: that memoir, she unpacks a pretty harrowing life from her 245 00:11:10,504 --> 00:11:13,944 Speaker 3: very early days up until meeting Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislain Maxwell, 246 00:11:14,424 --> 00:11:17,344 Speaker 3: and then of course meeting and interacting with Prince Andrew. 247 00:11:17,344 --> 00:11:18,504 Speaker 2: Now this is all alleged. 248 00:11:18,544 --> 00:11:21,224 Speaker 3: Of course, Prince Andrew has never been held accountable or 249 00:11:21,264 --> 00:11:24,584 Speaker 3: prosecuted for any of these crimes, but it has led 250 00:11:24,624 --> 00:11:28,104 Speaker 3: to a definite mood change of how we feel towards 251 00:11:28,144 --> 00:11:31,184 Speaker 3: Prince Andrew, and that's been seen in the last couple 252 00:11:31,184 --> 00:11:34,224 Speaker 3: of weeks sort of reach a critical boiling point. Right 253 00:11:34,624 --> 00:11:38,064 Speaker 3: a few weeks ago, Prince Andrew handed back his Duke 254 00:11:38,104 --> 00:11:40,624 Speaker 3: of York title, so famously he's the Prince, but he 255 00:11:40,784 --> 00:11:43,184 Speaker 3: and Sarah Ferguson with the Duke and Duchess of York. 256 00:11:43,224 --> 00:11:46,344 Speaker 3: Sarah Ferguson is his ex wife. He handed that title 257 00:11:46,384 --> 00:11:48,344 Speaker 3: back and when we say he handed it back, that's 258 00:11:48,344 --> 00:11:50,664 Speaker 3: a beautiful thing about the Royal family for a bit 259 00:11:50,704 --> 00:11:54,064 Speaker 3: of pr and damaged control. We suspect that Andrew was 260 00:11:54,104 --> 00:11:56,784 Speaker 3: asked politely to hand it back, and then the way 261 00:11:56,784 --> 00:11:58,584 Speaker 3: that it was perceived by the media is that he 262 00:11:58,624 --> 00:12:01,224 Speaker 3: did of his own accord. But that really wasn't enough. 263 00:12:01,224 --> 00:12:04,184 Speaker 3: People were not happy that that was the extent to 264 00:12:04,264 --> 00:12:07,704 Speaker 3: which the Royal Family were basically acknowledging that there's probably 265 00:12:07,744 --> 00:12:10,664 Speaker 3: been some foul play here, which brings us to last 266 00:12:10,704 --> 00:12:14,104 Speaker 3: Friday Cassigna. Yes, we'll get a statement from Buckingham Palace. 267 00:12:14,224 --> 00:12:16,624 Speaker 3: It's like eight thirty in the morning on Friday. I'm 268 00:12:16,904 --> 00:12:19,264 Speaker 3: typing away on my computer, getting ready for what I 269 00:12:19,264 --> 00:12:21,264 Speaker 3: think is going to be a pretty easy Friday at work, 270 00:12:21,744 --> 00:12:24,104 Speaker 3: and then Buckingham Palace speaks and the world sort of 271 00:12:24,104 --> 00:12:27,264 Speaker 3: shuts down for a minute. They release the statement essentially 272 00:12:27,304 --> 00:12:30,944 Speaker 3: saying that Prince Andrew a prince no more. He will 273 00:12:30,944 --> 00:12:34,824 Speaker 3: now be mister Andrew Maton Windsor is getting booted. 274 00:12:34,464 --> 00:12:37,104 Speaker 2: Out of the Royal Lodge. Sarah Ferginson is also getting 275 00:12:37,144 --> 00:12:37,624 Speaker 2: booted out. 276 00:12:37,704 --> 00:12:39,984 Speaker 3: She's on her own. He's got to find somewhere to live. 277 00:12:40,504 --> 00:12:43,184 Speaker 3: But luckily his brother will be paying his rent. 278 00:12:43,584 --> 00:12:46,104 Speaker 1: I just think this is crazy, and it's interesting because 279 00:12:46,384 --> 00:12:49,064 Speaker 1: they don't say that this is because of the Virginia 280 00:12:49,104 --> 00:12:52,224 Speaker 1: Gafrey allegations, but there is a little bit of an 281 00:12:52,304 --> 00:12:55,184 Speaker 1: undercurrent there, like it's insinuated that that's the reason why. 282 00:12:55,624 --> 00:12:57,544 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting, right, because while they don't say it 283 00:12:57,584 --> 00:13:00,024 Speaker 3: in as many words, what the statement from Buckingham Palace 284 00:13:00,104 --> 00:13:02,464 Speaker 3: does say is their Majesties wish to make clear that 285 00:13:02,504 --> 00:13:05,464 Speaker 3: their thoughts and utmost sympathies have been and will remain 286 00:13:05,544 --> 00:13:08,384 Speaker 3: with the victims and survivors of any and all forms 287 00:13:08,384 --> 00:13:11,064 Speaker 3: of abuse. So that's how they end us statement saying 288 00:13:11,064 --> 00:13:14,064 Speaker 3: Prince Andrew's basically been given the royal boot. If you 289 00:13:14,144 --> 00:13:17,064 Speaker 3: read between the lines, so be it. But again, I 290 00:13:17,224 --> 00:13:19,984 Speaker 3: just want to stress all these allegations against Prince Andrew 291 00:13:20,184 --> 00:13:21,024 Speaker 3: are still alleged. 292 00:13:21,224 --> 00:13:23,944 Speaker 1: It's a very royal way to kind of put it. 293 00:13:23,944 --> 00:13:26,304 Speaker 1: It's like we're kicking him out. This is the reason 294 00:13:26,304 --> 00:13:27,664 Speaker 1: for it, but we're not going to say that because 295 00:13:27,664 --> 00:13:29,424 Speaker 1: he hasn't been convicted of it at anything. It does 296 00:13:29,424 --> 00:13:32,144 Speaker 1: feel a little bit too little, too late, and it 297 00:13:32,224 --> 00:13:34,944 Speaker 1: does feel like a lot of the public, like the 298 00:13:34,944 --> 00:13:37,984 Speaker 1: British public, are not happy about this, and more widely 299 00:13:38,064 --> 00:13:41,424 Speaker 1: the Commonwealth are not happy about this. What are people's 300 00:13:41,464 --> 00:13:44,504 Speaker 1: responses to this and what does it being like for people? 301 00:13:44,864 --> 00:13:45,784 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting, right. 302 00:13:45,784 --> 00:13:49,104 Speaker 3: A yougav poll of British people found that seventy nine 303 00:13:49,144 --> 00:13:51,984 Speaker 3: percent of people back to the King stripping Andrew of 304 00:13:52,024 --> 00:13:54,584 Speaker 3: his prince title. Eighty seven percent of those people felt 305 00:13:54,664 --> 00:13:57,264 Speaker 3: like it was the only option. And that's coming after 306 00:13:57,304 --> 00:13:59,744 Speaker 3: he'd already handed back all these other titles, right, so 307 00:13:59,784 --> 00:14:00,024 Speaker 3: he was. 308 00:14:00,024 --> 00:14:01,104 Speaker 2: No longer the Duke of York. 309 00:14:01,144 --> 00:14:03,504 Speaker 3: He was still a prince, and at this point we 310 00:14:03,504 --> 00:14:06,184 Speaker 3: were like, well, he's a prince by birthright. He's going 311 00:14:06,264 --> 00:14:08,304 Speaker 3: to die a prince regardless of what happens, and with 312 00:14:08,424 --> 00:14:10,824 Speaker 3: that comes all of the trimmings and the luxuries and 313 00:14:10,904 --> 00:14:14,224 Speaker 3: safety of royal life. But the King's basically booted him 314 00:14:14,224 --> 00:14:17,344 Speaker 3: out on his own. Interestingly though, because then yet fifty 315 00:14:17,344 --> 00:14:19,704 Speaker 3: eight percent of people think that the royal family moved 316 00:14:19,864 --> 00:14:23,384 Speaker 3: too slow when it came to this, So I think 317 00:14:23,424 --> 00:14:25,944 Speaker 3: what happens now will be really interesting to see. We've 318 00:14:25,984 --> 00:14:28,864 Speaker 3: said that obviously all of this is alleged. Prince Andrew 319 00:14:28,864 --> 00:14:31,624 Speaker 3: has never been prosecuted for any of these crimes, and 320 00:14:31,984 --> 00:14:34,384 Speaker 3: one could say that that may have something to do 321 00:14:34,424 --> 00:14:36,904 Speaker 3: with the fact that he was working royal up until recently. 322 00:14:37,504 --> 00:14:39,864 Speaker 3: He enjoyed all of the luxuries and the securities of 323 00:14:39,904 --> 00:14:41,824 Speaker 3: being part of the royal family, and now that the 324 00:14:41,904 --> 00:14:44,504 Speaker 3: king has taken all of that away from him, time 325 00:14:44,544 --> 00:14:45,304 Speaker 3: will only tell. 326 00:14:45,584 --> 00:14:47,264 Speaker 1: So the last time a royal was stripped to their 327 00:14:47,304 --> 00:14:50,584 Speaker 1: title and actually stripped of the title hapened in nineteen nineteen, 328 00:14:50,624 --> 00:14:54,544 Speaker 1: which with Prince Ernest Augustus, who was a UK royal 329 00:14:54,544 --> 00:14:56,864 Speaker 1: and also the Prince of Hadover. He had his British 330 00:14:56,864 --> 00:14:59,384 Speaker 1: title removed for starting with Germany in World War One. 331 00:14:59,384 --> 00:15:01,144 Speaker 1: But a lot of people are comparing this to like 332 00:15:01,344 --> 00:15:03,304 Speaker 1: Megan and Harry and Princess die But it's not really 333 00:15:03,384 --> 00:15:03,904 Speaker 1: the same thing. 334 00:15:04,464 --> 00:15:06,864 Speaker 3: No, I don't think we can compare trees and charges 335 00:15:07,144 --> 00:15:10,024 Speaker 3: with a couple of people handing back their titles, which 336 00:15:10,024 --> 00:15:12,384 Speaker 3: is a same what Harry and Megan had done. And 337 00:15:12,424 --> 00:15:14,664 Speaker 3: then when we talk about Princess Diana, obviously she was 338 00:15:14,704 --> 00:15:18,264 Speaker 3: divorced from Prince Charles. She was the people's princess right 339 00:15:18,664 --> 00:15:21,224 Speaker 3: she relinquished her Royal Highness title as part of the 340 00:15:21,264 --> 00:15:23,144 Speaker 3: divorce agreement in nineteen ninety six. 341 00:15:23,464 --> 00:15:25,984 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, have you heard about the 342 00:15:26,064 --> 00:15:28,464 Speaker 1: stories about Prince Andrew and his teddies on his bed? 343 00:15:28,784 --> 00:15:30,464 Speaker 3: Oh? No, But I don't know if I want to know, 344 00:15:30,784 --> 00:15:32,064 Speaker 3: Do I want to know you're going to give me 345 00:15:32,104 --> 00:15:32,944 Speaker 3: the clean version? 346 00:15:33,104 --> 00:15:36,104 Speaker 1: Apparently he used to get his staff to like line 347 00:15:36,144 --> 00:15:38,384 Speaker 1: his teddies up on his bed. It's like these rumored 348 00:15:38,384 --> 00:15:41,904 Speaker 1: stories about him, that whole icon of him being like 349 00:15:42,184 --> 00:15:44,864 Speaker 1: the favorite and the little baby boy and like his 350 00:15:45,184 --> 00:15:47,944 Speaker 1: image has really been tainted. Do we know what Prince 351 00:15:47,984 --> 00:15:49,304 Speaker 1: Andrew has said about all this? 352 00:15:49,944 --> 00:15:53,864 Speaker 3: No? I think in true royal fashion, never complain, never explained. 353 00:15:53,904 --> 00:15:56,384 Speaker 3: I doubt we will actually hear it from Prince Andrew 354 00:15:56,424 --> 00:15:58,384 Speaker 3: maybe ever again, Like I think he just has to 355 00:15:58,424 --> 00:16:02,184 Speaker 3: go now and live a quiet private life. His ex 356 00:16:02,224 --> 00:16:05,024 Speaker 3: wife though, like we mentioned, Fergie Sarah Ferguson no longer 357 00:16:05,064 --> 00:16:07,544 Speaker 3: the Duchess of York and she's actually been booted out 358 00:16:07,584 --> 00:16:09,344 Speaker 3: of the Royal Lodge with Andrew, so we don't know 359 00:16:09,344 --> 00:16:09,984 Speaker 3: where she's. 360 00:16:09,784 --> 00:16:12,264 Speaker 1: Going to end up. One other question that I've got, 361 00:16:12,384 --> 00:16:15,464 Speaker 1: he actually is still in line for the throne, isn't he? 362 00:16:15,904 --> 00:16:17,064 Speaker 1: How does that work? 363 00:16:17,624 --> 00:16:20,624 Speaker 3: This is like one of those amazing old time in 364 00:16:20,784 --> 00:16:23,984 Speaker 3: archaic British things. So he's still technically eighth in line 365 00:16:24,264 --> 00:16:27,624 Speaker 3: for so crizy to remove him from that line of succession, 366 00:16:27,624 --> 00:16:30,064 Speaker 3: though it would require things like an Act of Parliament, 367 00:16:30,224 --> 00:16:33,144 Speaker 3: you'd need to get consent from Commonwealth realms like, it 368 00:16:33,184 --> 00:16:35,504 Speaker 3: would have to go through so many layers. I think 369 00:16:35,544 --> 00:16:38,424 Speaker 3: the fact that he's number eight in line behind Harry 370 00:16:38,464 --> 00:16:41,704 Speaker 3: and Meghan's kids were pretty safe and assuming that he 371 00:16:41,784 --> 00:16:43,544 Speaker 3: will not assume the throne. 372 00:16:43,984 --> 00:16:45,824 Speaker 1: Yeah, I tend to agree with you on that. Do 373 00:16:45,864 --> 00:16:47,584 Speaker 1: you know what's really interesting to me? I feel like 374 00:16:47,784 --> 00:16:50,904 Speaker 1: him losing his titles, I think out of all members 375 00:16:50,944 --> 00:16:53,464 Speaker 1: of the royal family, he's the one that would be 376 00:16:53,504 --> 00:16:56,504 Speaker 1: most bothered by it. The reason I say that is 377 00:16:56,544 --> 00:16:59,784 Speaker 1: it because if we look at the Queen's children, and 378 00:17:00,224 --> 00:17:03,824 Speaker 1: apart from King Charles, the other royals, particular like Princess 379 00:17:03,904 --> 00:17:09,224 Speaker 1: and children, they didn't actually give their children royal titles. 380 00:17:09,744 --> 00:17:13,744 Speaker 1: Princess's children don't have those royal titles. They specifically didn't 381 00:17:13,784 --> 00:17:17,104 Speaker 1: want to give them to them, whereas Prince Andrew did. 382 00:17:17,344 --> 00:17:18,864 Speaker 3: We know what they say, because and you're heavy as 383 00:17:18,904 --> 00:17:21,464 Speaker 3: the head that wears the crown, right, So I imagine that 384 00:17:21,504 --> 00:17:24,024 Speaker 3: by not giving your children this we want to. 385 00:17:23,944 --> 00:17:25,824 Speaker 2: Call it a privilege and a luxury, you're. 386 00:17:25,704 --> 00:17:29,504 Speaker 3: Also shielding them from what can be a very controlled life. 387 00:17:29,784 --> 00:17:32,544 Speaker 1: Yeah. I've seen all these memes about him, like throwing 388 00:17:32,544 --> 00:17:34,664 Speaker 1: toys out of the prem and like being a bit 389 00:17:34,664 --> 00:17:36,824 Speaker 1: of a brat and being like a toddler. Like that 390 00:17:36,984 --> 00:17:41,464 Speaker 1: is the public perception and description of him. And the 391 00:17:41,464 --> 00:17:44,544 Speaker 1: fact that he's been stripped of these titles is really interesting. 392 00:17:44,784 --> 00:17:48,064 Speaker 1: And just today at time of recording, he lost his 393 00:17:48,104 --> 00:17:50,664 Speaker 1: final titles, which with these military titles. 394 00:17:50,584 --> 00:17:53,944 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really not coming up. Andrew in any which way. Now, 395 00:17:54,304 --> 00:17:57,744 Speaker 3: I spoke to royal commentator Victoria Arbada about this over 396 00:17:57,784 --> 00:17:59,824 Speaker 3: on the Quickie this morning, if you want to listen there. 397 00:17:59,864 --> 00:18:02,504 Speaker 3: She has these really good insights as well to what 398 00:18:02,544 --> 00:18:05,184 Speaker 3: this actually means to the Royal family, the remaining royal 399 00:18:05,224 --> 00:18:09,024 Speaker 3: family moving forward and into this new era of transparency too. 400 00:18:09,224 --> 00:18:12,064 Speaker 1: Okay, well, look, let's try and brighten it up a 401 00:18:12,064 --> 00:18:14,784 Speaker 1: little bit. Do you think that the change in the 402 00:18:14,864 --> 00:18:17,424 Speaker 1: Royal family that we've had Megan and Harry, you know, 403 00:18:17,584 --> 00:18:20,744 Speaker 1: leaving the Royal family really seems to be like disintegrating 404 00:18:21,424 --> 00:18:22,584 Speaker 1: what the hell is going on? 405 00:18:23,144 --> 00:18:24,784 Speaker 2: Look, I don't see an issue with this. 406 00:18:24,904 --> 00:18:28,024 Speaker 3: We're moving into ever more modern times and both King 407 00:18:28,104 --> 00:18:30,304 Speaker 3: Charles and Prince William have said on the record that 408 00:18:30,304 --> 00:18:32,664 Speaker 3: they are moving into this new era of Royal family, 409 00:18:32,984 --> 00:18:36,464 Speaker 3: a slim down, trim down monarchy and also a more 410 00:18:36,504 --> 00:18:39,664 Speaker 3: transparent monarchy as well. Like we've seen that Andrew has 411 00:18:39,664 --> 00:18:42,744 Speaker 3: been so protected by the safety net that is being 412 00:18:42,864 --> 00:18:45,624 Speaker 3: a working royal and being a prince, and now that 413 00:18:45,624 --> 00:18:47,824 Speaker 3: that's been taken away from him, who knows what the 414 00:18:47,944 --> 00:18:50,264 Speaker 3: ledge crimes he may have to face. And I think 415 00:18:50,344 --> 00:18:52,704 Speaker 3: that's good. There's transparency, not just in that, but in 416 00:18:52,744 --> 00:18:55,344 Speaker 3: how the royals make their money. Who's paying the rent 417 00:18:55,344 --> 00:18:57,464 Speaker 3: on all their big gorgeous estates. I think this is 418 00:18:57,464 --> 00:18:59,944 Speaker 3: a great next step in the right direction for the monarchy. 419 00:19:00,384 --> 00:19:02,064 Speaker 1: But he still gets all these stuff paid for by 420 00:19:02,184 --> 00:19:02,744 Speaker 1: King Charles. 421 00:19:03,104 --> 00:19:06,024 Speaker 3: He does, but that's the next step in the transparency era, right, 422 00:19:06,144 --> 00:19:08,024 Speaker 3: is like, well, how does King Charles have that money 423 00:19:08,344 --> 00:19:09,304 Speaker 3: and who's funding that? 424 00:19:09,584 --> 00:19:11,424 Speaker 1: It's the amount of life and that they have. That's 425 00:19:11,464 --> 00:19:13,464 Speaker 1: where most of their money comes from. Like the taxpayer 426 00:19:13,504 --> 00:19:16,824 Speaker 1: is obviously you don't pay for things, but the majority 427 00:19:16,824 --> 00:19:19,624 Speaker 1: of the monarchy's money comes from their landholdings. 428 00:19:19,944 --> 00:19:22,624 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's called the Royal duchy and how money 429 00:19:22,664 --> 00:19:24,624 Speaker 3: comes into that is what I think people will now 430 00:19:24,624 --> 00:19:27,464 Speaker 3: be paying attention towards. Hopefully, Like I said, this is 431 00:19:27,664 --> 00:19:29,824 Speaker 3: just part one. It's like a domino falling right, and 432 00:19:29,864 --> 00:19:33,344 Speaker 3: hopefully this domino effect has people starting to question and 433 00:19:33,384 --> 00:19:35,464 Speaker 3: then maybe an act some change into how the royal 434 00:19:35,504 --> 00:19:36,544 Speaker 3: family generate wealth. 435 00:19:36,664 --> 00:19:38,424 Speaker 1: Okay, Taylor, where's he going? Is he going to be 436 00:19:38,424 --> 00:19:39,704 Speaker 1: staying in a hostel somewhere? 437 00:19:39,984 --> 00:19:41,664 Speaker 3: Yeah, so we know that he will be moving out 438 00:19:41,664 --> 00:19:43,064 Speaker 3: at the Royal Lodge. Has got a little bit of 439 00:19:43,064 --> 00:19:45,224 Speaker 3: time to vacate, but then he'll be put up on 440 00:19:45,304 --> 00:19:48,344 Speaker 3: a private accommodation on Sandringham, a state and the bill 441 00:19:48,384 --> 00:19:50,824 Speaker 3: for that will be footed by King Charles. As far 442 00:19:50,864 --> 00:19:54,304 Speaker 3: as Sarah Ferguson goes, essentially like she's out on her own, 443 00:19:54,344 --> 00:19:56,304 Speaker 3: we don't really know where she'll go. I'm sure though 444 00:19:56,344 --> 00:19:58,704 Speaker 3: she'll probably take up refuge with one of her children. 445 00:19:58,944 --> 00:20:03,584 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, obviously Princess Eugenie and Betro's prisist preachers 446 00:20:03,664 --> 00:20:06,624 Speaker 1: will take in their mother, I imagine. I think it's 447 00:20:06,664 --> 00:20:10,144 Speaker 1: great that the royals are finally taken action, but I 448 00:20:10,184 --> 00:20:13,584 Speaker 1: do think it definitely is the start of something. Yeah. 449 00:20:13,584 --> 00:20:16,504 Speaker 3: Look, whether or not these allegations come to fruition, I 450 00:20:16,544 --> 00:20:20,584 Speaker 3: think it's important to note that the monarchy's hand has 451 00:20:20,664 --> 00:20:24,784 Speaker 3: been forced by the memoir of an ordinary girl. And 452 00:20:24,784 --> 00:20:27,744 Speaker 3: that's exactly what Virginia Dephrase brother and sister in law 453 00:20:27,744 --> 00:20:30,584 Speaker 3: put a public statement out after Buckingham Palace had said 454 00:20:30,584 --> 00:20:32,584 Speaker 3: that she was an ordinary girl and she took down 455 00:20:32,584 --> 00:20:35,624 Speaker 3: a prince. So do with that information what you. 456 00:20:35,544 --> 00:20:41,224 Speaker 1: Will, Okay. So the highly anticipated Oasis Reunion tour has 457 00:20:41,264 --> 00:20:43,384 Speaker 1: taken over a staya and they just had three chosen 458 00:20:43,384 --> 00:20:46,224 Speaker 1: in Melbourne. They're going to be playing in Sydney later 459 00:20:46,304 --> 00:20:48,944 Speaker 1: on this week. I have been obsessed with all the 460 00:20:48,984 --> 00:20:50,664 Speaker 1: footage from this ye know, there's been quite a lot 461 00:20:50,704 --> 00:20:54,584 Speaker 1: of stuff around these shows. My favorite was after one 462 00:20:54,624 --> 00:20:58,544 Speaker 1: of the shows, people doing this massive sing along in Melbourne. 463 00:20:58,544 --> 00:21:00,664 Speaker 1: They're all singing don't look back in Anger, and it 464 00:21:00,704 --> 00:21:04,024 Speaker 1: was just like this amazing community moment. We had Noel 465 00:21:04,064 --> 00:21:07,064 Speaker 1: and Liam making fun of the Aussies how they said 466 00:21:07,224 --> 00:21:12,264 Speaker 1: anger like anger, anger not, which is funny because they've 467 00:21:12,264 --> 00:21:15,264 Speaker 1: got Manchester accent, so I don't quite understand that. But 468 00:21:15,544 --> 00:21:19,024 Speaker 1: you know, they have just had the most incredible tool here. 469 00:21:19,624 --> 00:21:23,304 Speaker 1: If you don't know much about Oasis, I want to 470 00:21:23,424 --> 00:21:26,104 Speaker 1: kind of go through some of this band's history. Taylor, 471 00:21:26,184 --> 00:21:29,024 Speaker 1: how familiar are you with Oasis? 472 00:21:29,304 --> 00:21:32,024 Speaker 3: I'm very familiar with Oasis because Senna, I'm a huge fan. 473 00:21:32,424 --> 00:21:34,824 Speaker 3: I worked in the music industry for a very long time, 474 00:21:34,864 --> 00:21:38,184 Speaker 3: and I remember the day that this tour was announced. 475 00:21:38,224 --> 00:21:40,584 Speaker 3: I remember when they posted it on X that you know, 476 00:21:40,704 --> 00:21:44,224 Speaker 3: the guns are down, fire has stopped, it's time to. 477 00:21:44,144 --> 00:21:45,304 Speaker 2: Bring the band back together. 478 00:21:45,424 --> 00:21:48,264 Speaker 3: And the sense of joy that was felt across the 479 00:21:48,304 --> 00:21:50,384 Speaker 3: world is almost unparalleled. 480 00:21:50,824 --> 00:21:53,824 Speaker 1: I mean, we all know wonder all right, these brothers, 481 00:21:53,864 --> 00:21:58,544 Speaker 1: though Liam and Noel fifteen years this feud has lasted, 482 00:21:58,984 --> 00:22:02,784 Speaker 1: they took sibling rivalry to a completely new level. So 483 00:22:03,104 --> 00:22:06,464 Speaker 1: a lot of the law around Oasis is the fact 484 00:22:06,464 --> 00:22:11,584 Speaker 1: that these brothers had a really really intense relationlationship. So 485 00:22:12,224 --> 00:22:16,344 Speaker 1: I really wanted to focus on the australianness of some 486 00:22:16,464 --> 00:22:18,704 Speaker 1: of the law because I think that that's kind of 487 00:22:18,784 --> 00:22:22,664 Speaker 1: some of the greatest stuff. Now, back in nineteen ninety eight, 488 00:22:23,144 --> 00:22:25,584 Speaker 1: the whole band was on a flight to Australia. Their 489 00:22:25,624 --> 00:22:28,224 Speaker 1: first stop was Perth. They're going from Hong Kong to 490 00:22:28,384 --> 00:22:31,944 Speaker 1: Perth and they were on a Cathe Pacific flight. The 491 00:22:32,024 --> 00:22:35,584 Speaker 1: boys were so disruptive on the flight. Liam earned a 492 00:22:35,744 --> 00:22:40,824 Speaker 1: lifetime ban from cathe Oh Pacific because this isn't a 493 00:22:40,824 --> 00:22:43,664 Speaker 1: private flight. Other passengers on the plane were saying that 494 00:22:43,704 --> 00:22:48,144 Speaker 1: they were throwing SCons, smoking in the plane, like blatantly 495 00:22:48,304 --> 00:22:52,224 Speaker 1: smoking in the plane, and the pilot basically eventually had 496 00:22:52,224 --> 00:22:54,264 Speaker 1: to come out and say, if you don't stop now, 497 00:22:54,304 --> 00:22:56,744 Speaker 1: I'm going to turn this car around and we're going 498 00:22:56,784 --> 00:23:01,064 Speaker 1: to land it. Like they were absolutely debaucherous. 499 00:23:01,984 --> 00:23:05,384 Speaker 3: There is literally nothing more English than like throwing SCons, 500 00:23:05,704 --> 00:23:08,344 Speaker 3: like that's the peak englishness. But also I love that 501 00:23:08,384 --> 00:23:12,544 Speaker 3: they've sustained this simpler rivalry, like you said, this anger 502 00:23:12,704 --> 00:23:15,664 Speaker 3: towards each other and just like the general outside world, 503 00:23:16,144 --> 00:23:20,184 Speaker 3: for essentially like twenty five years. It is so fantastic 504 00:23:20,224 --> 00:23:21,384 Speaker 3: and so silly. 505 00:23:21,624 --> 00:23:23,704 Speaker 1: The reason that they broke up, you know, the biggest 506 00:23:23,704 --> 00:23:26,344 Speaker 1: story was back in two thousand and nine, Nol left 507 00:23:26,344 --> 00:23:28,784 Speaker 1: the band, and the big turning point was they were 508 00:23:28,824 --> 00:23:33,744 Speaker 1: backstage at the Rock on Senne festival in France and 509 00:23:34,104 --> 00:23:38,904 Speaker 1: according to Nol, they were having this massive argument. Liam 510 00:23:38,984 --> 00:23:42,304 Speaker 1: took a guitar, wielded it like an axe and smashed 511 00:23:42,344 --> 00:23:45,144 Speaker 1: it on the ground and Noel was like, I'm done. 512 00:23:45,264 --> 00:23:47,744 Speaker 1: That was the end of it. But before this, other 513 00:23:47,784 --> 00:23:50,664 Speaker 1: members of the band had started leaving. There was a 514 00:23:50,824 --> 00:23:56,584 Speaker 1: lot of disruption between these boys. Another of my favorite 515 00:23:56,624 --> 00:24:00,904 Speaker 1: stories is on the same trip to Australia back in 516 00:24:00,984 --> 00:24:04,224 Speaker 1: ninety eight, when they were in Brisbane, twenty year old 517 00:24:04,304 --> 00:24:08,544 Speaker 1: Benjamin Jones wanted to get a picture with Liam and Nol. 518 00:24:09,144 --> 00:24:11,544 Speaker 1: Liam got really irritated at him because he was wielding 519 00:24:11,544 --> 00:24:14,224 Speaker 1: a camera in his face, so liamb puts him in 520 00:24:14,224 --> 00:24:18,224 Speaker 1: a headlock, head butts him and left him with a 521 00:24:18,264 --> 00:24:22,064 Speaker 1: broken nose and severe swelling so Jones and files of 522 00:24:22,144 --> 00:24:27,224 Speaker 1: police report against Liam, which is insane. He actually went 523 00:24:27,304 --> 00:24:28,104 Speaker 1: up before the court. 524 00:24:28,624 --> 00:24:30,104 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, can you imagine being in the 525 00:24:30,144 --> 00:24:33,624 Speaker 3: court that day. You're just like a regular sort of 526 00:24:33,744 --> 00:24:36,064 Speaker 3: circuit level judge, and then in walks one of the 527 00:24:36,064 --> 00:24:38,544 Speaker 3: Gallagher brothers and you're like, Oh, this is not like 528 00:24:38,584 --> 00:24:40,584 Speaker 3: any other day at work. We've got a rock star 529 00:24:40,664 --> 00:24:43,424 Speaker 3: amongst us. I feel like with Oasis, it's one of 530 00:24:43,504 --> 00:24:46,744 Speaker 3: those bands that obviously their music stands up on its own. 531 00:24:46,904 --> 00:24:49,784 Speaker 3: They are one of the most integral bands to britpop 532 00:24:49,824 --> 00:24:52,984 Speaker 3: of the late nineties the early two thousands. What they 533 00:24:52,984 --> 00:24:56,944 Speaker 3: have made is incredible and cannot be discounted. However, on 534 00:24:57,024 --> 00:24:58,984 Speaker 3: the flip side, and I feel like this would irritate 535 00:24:59,024 --> 00:25:02,424 Speaker 3: them to no extent. Is next to the music, the 536 00:25:02,544 --> 00:25:05,184 Speaker 3: law around them and the spat they created between the 537 00:25:05,224 --> 00:25:08,984 Speaker 3: two brothers is just as big or just as well 538 00:25:09,024 --> 00:25:11,064 Speaker 3: known as the music they make and put out in 539 00:25:11,104 --> 00:25:13,504 Speaker 3: the nineties and two thousands, and I imagine that would 540 00:25:13,544 --> 00:25:15,264 Speaker 3: irritate them to no end. 541 00:25:15,464 --> 00:25:16,984 Speaker 1: I don't know if it irritates them. I feel like 542 00:25:17,024 --> 00:25:20,544 Speaker 1: they really embrace that bad boy behavior. Who do you 543 00:25:20,544 --> 00:25:22,384 Speaker 1: think was crazier Noel or Liam. 544 00:25:22,744 --> 00:25:24,984 Speaker 3: I mean, like it depends on what year it is, right, Like, 545 00:25:25,064 --> 00:25:27,504 Speaker 3: they have so many good singers and quotes about each other. 546 00:25:27,624 --> 00:25:29,384 Speaker 3: One of my favorite of all time. And this is 547 00:25:29,424 --> 00:25:32,224 Speaker 3: just one of the greatest things that anybody has ever 548 00:25:32,304 --> 00:25:34,344 Speaker 3: said in an interview. I mean, because you've interviewed a 549 00:25:34,384 --> 00:25:36,704 Speaker 3: lot of musicians. I've interviewed a lot of musicians. 550 00:25:37,224 --> 00:25:37,864 Speaker 2: A lot of them. 551 00:25:38,504 --> 00:25:42,184 Speaker 3: They make beautiful music, they do these incredible pieces of 552 00:25:42,224 --> 00:25:44,904 Speaker 3: poetry and art, and when you speak to them, that's 553 00:25:44,944 --> 00:25:47,264 Speaker 3: not always what you receive on the other end. One 554 00:25:47,344 --> 00:25:50,344 Speaker 3: of the greatest interview responses of all time is Noel 555 00:25:50,464 --> 00:25:53,664 Speaker 3: talking about Liam in nineteen ninety four. He says of 556 00:25:53,704 --> 00:25:56,424 Speaker 3: his brother, he's like a man with a fork in 557 00:25:56,504 --> 00:26:00,384 Speaker 3: a world of soup. And if this doesn't encapsulate incredibly 558 00:26:00,584 --> 00:26:03,944 Speaker 3: the relationship they've had across the last thirty years, I 559 00:26:03,944 --> 00:26:04,744 Speaker 3: don't know what does. 560 00:26:05,104 --> 00:26:08,064 Speaker 1: Noel has some real singers, He's so funny. Again, in 561 00:26:08,104 --> 00:26:10,704 Speaker 1: that same tour to Australia, because I basically read this 562 00:26:10,784 --> 00:26:14,504 Speaker 1: whole Rolling Stone article on their total Australia that was 563 00:26:14,584 --> 00:26:20,024 Speaker 1: absolutely fascinating. There's this great clip of Noel talking about 564 00:26:20,104 --> 00:26:21,784 Speaker 1: their rock and roll days. I want to play it 565 00:26:21,824 --> 00:26:23,344 Speaker 1: for you to have a listen. 566 00:26:23,304 --> 00:26:26,264 Speaker 4: Telling your kids mine. If you're depressed by yourself a television, 567 00:26:26,584 --> 00:26:28,744 Speaker 4: get the nearest old Tell I don't want to winder 568 00:26:28,864 --> 00:26:31,904 Speaker 4: flight in the car park. Don actually best caire for 569 00:26:31,984 --> 00:26:35,784 Speaker 4: depression and tell them Dr Noel told you, by the way, 570 00:26:35,784 --> 00:26:37,864 Speaker 4: if anybody's watching from a whole tel, we're about. 571 00:26:37,624 --> 00:26:37,984 Speaker 1: To check in. 572 00:26:38,104 --> 00:26:40,344 Speaker 4: So I was choking. 573 00:26:40,504 --> 00:26:42,824 Speaker 1: I love that their sense of humor is so dry, 574 00:26:42,824 --> 00:26:44,784 Speaker 1: and I feel like so many times people would have 575 00:26:45,544 --> 00:26:48,224 Speaker 1: taken that as serious and it was just them taking 576 00:26:48,264 --> 00:26:49,664 Speaker 1: a piss, And I just. 577 00:26:49,624 --> 00:26:52,264 Speaker 3: Feel like the band is fueled by both taking the 578 00:26:52,304 --> 00:26:55,424 Speaker 3: piss and anger at the same time in equal measure. 579 00:26:55,744 --> 00:26:57,584 Speaker 3: Like I can never tell if they are being dry 580 00:26:57,664 --> 00:27:00,584 Speaker 3: blunt or if they are actually genuinely angry to be here. 581 00:27:00,624 --> 00:27:03,304 Speaker 3: And that's the best part about Oasis. I'm sorry, but 582 00:27:03,344 --> 00:27:06,024 Speaker 3: if you know anything about like Oasis, about the history 583 00:27:06,024 --> 00:27:08,624 Speaker 3: of the law of this band, they are so anti establishment, 584 00:27:08,664 --> 00:27:11,104 Speaker 3: like this doesn't surprise me and and I mean it's 585 00:27:11,144 --> 00:27:13,064 Speaker 3: what I had come to expect from my rockers, Like 586 00:27:13,064 --> 00:27:15,024 Speaker 3: I don't know about Ukus Sandy, but I I'm not 587 00:27:15,064 --> 00:27:18,704 Speaker 3: offended by rock stars behaving badly. That's what they do 588 00:27:18,744 --> 00:27:20,704 Speaker 3: as long as nobody is being hurt in the process 589 00:27:20,704 --> 00:27:23,224 Speaker 3: except maybe a guitar here and there. It's part of 590 00:27:23,264 --> 00:27:23,504 Speaker 3: the core. 591 00:27:23,584 --> 00:27:25,984 Speaker 1: They're definitely embodying that whole like sex, drugs and rock 592 00:27:26,024 --> 00:27:29,144 Speaker 1: and roll thing. They took that to heart. They don't 593 00:27:29,144 --> 00:27:33,184 Speaker 1: make him like that anymore, Taylor, they really don't. Another 594 00:27:33,224 --> 00:27:36,184 Speaker 1: great factor I wanted to share with you so Wonderwall, 595 00:27:36,304 --> 00:27:39,584 Speaker 1: which is the song every fifteen year old boy is 596 00:27:39,664 --> 00:27:43,104 Speaker 1: learning on his guitar for the first time and serenading 597 00:27:43,224 --> 00:27:46,304 Speaker 1: all of the girls while they all swoon or cringe 598 00:27:46,744 --> 00:27:50,704 Speaker 1: depending on how you go. Wonderful actually didn't hit number 599 00:27:50,744 --> 00:27:52,904 Speaker 1: one in the UK, it only got to number two, 600 00:27:53,264 --> 00:27:56,264 Speaker 1: but in Australia it topped the Triple J Hottest one 601 00:27:56,344 --> 00:27:58,024 Speaker 1: hundred in nineteen ninety five. 602 00:27:58,504 --> 00:28:00,544 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that makes so much sense, right, Like 603 00:28:00,584 --> 00:28:03,144 Speaker 3: Oasis in that period when they're at the absolute peak, 604 00:28:03,224 --> 00:28:06,104 Speaker 3: like ninety five is when what's the story Morning Glory 605 00:28:06,184 --> 00:28:08,584 Speaker 3: came out, which is the album that wonder Wall is. 606 00:28:08,544 --> 00:28:10,184 Speaker 1: On, Champagne, Supernobar. 607 00:28:09,984 --> 00:28:12,224 Speaker 2: Shamp and Look Back in Anger. 608 00:28:12,384 --> 00:28:14,344 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like they're all on there, all the big ones 609 00:28:14,384 --> 00:28:16,464 Speaker 3: that you can name instantly, they're all on that record, 610 00:28:16,504 --> 00:28:18,064 Speaker 3: so it comes as no surprise to me that was 611 00:28:18,184 --> 00:28:20,824 Speaker 3: number one in that year also ninety five, Great Bloody 612 00:28:20,864 --> 00:28:23,784 Speaker 3: Year to be born, just quietly, but the fact that 613 00:28:23,784 --> 00:28:26,424 Speaker 3: it didn't hit that much success in the UK is 614 00:28:26,464 --> 00:28:28,984 Speaker 3: so funny to me. But that also shows the demand 615 00:28:29,464 --> 00:28:32,904 Speaker 3: of how good music was at that time in the UK. Two. 616 00:28:33,024 --> 00:28:34,744 Speaker 1: I mean, it did get to number two. But it's 617 00:28:34,744 --> 00:28:37,104 Speaker 1: just interesting to me because I think if you ask 618 00:28:37,184 --> 00:28:41,384 Speaker 1: people give me an Oasis song, Wonderball is kind of 619 00:28:41,424 --> 00:28:44,624 Speaker 1: probably the first one most people would think of. I 620 00:28:44,624 --> 00:28:46,384 Speaker 1: would guess, do you. 621 00:28:46,384 --> 00:28:48,384 Speaker 3: Want to know what number one was in ninety five, 622 00:28:48,504 --> 00:28:51,824 Speaker 3: Go tell me it's a song called Unchained Melody White 623 00:28:51,824 --> 00:28:54,864 Speaker 3: Cliffs of Dover by Robson and Jerome, Because then you're 624 00:28:54,864 --> 00:28:56,504 Speaker 3: looking at me like, who the hell are these people? 625 00:28:56,584 --> 00:28:59,944 Speaker 3: Essentially Robson and Jerome two famous British TV stars, And 626 00:28:59,984 --> 00:29:02,304 Speaker 3: this is what happens when you take TV stars who 627 00:29:02,424 --> 00:29:05,344 Speaker 3: end up doing music. They cover some very famous songs 628 00:29:05,344 --> 00:29:08,624 Speaker 3: like Unchained Melody Cliffs of Dover. Sure mash it together 629 00:29:08,704 --> 00:29:10,344 Speaker 3: in a cover of course that shoots to the top 630 00:29:10,424 --> 00:29:10,944 Speaker 3: for the charts. 631 00:29:10,984 --> 00:29:13,704 Speaker 1: That's really disappointing. I'm really sad about it. 632 00:29:13,704 --> 00:29:16,424 Speaker 2: I'm sure they'll retract it, you know, thirty years later. 633 00:29:16,464 --> 00:29:19,144 Speaker 1: Am I remembering in correctly? Wonder Wall was definitely on 634 00:29:19,144 --> 00:29:20,264 Speaker 1: the OSA, wasn't it. 635 00:29:20,304 --> 00:29:22,704 Speaker 3: That's popped up in so many moments in pop culture, 636 00:29:22,784 --> 00:29:24,144 Speaker 3: Like completely. 637 00:29:23,904 --> 00:29:26,144 Speaker 1: It's just such an iconic song, even though it does 638 00:29:26,184 --> 00:29:28,464 Speaker 1: make me laugh because it's like the first song every 639 00:29:28,464 --> 00:29:33,464 Speaker 1: teenage boy blade. Do you have a favorite Oasis moment 640 00:29:34,224 --> 00:29:35,104 Speaker 1: that I've missed? 641 00:29:35,624 --> 00:29:37,144 Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know if I have a favorite moment 642 00:29:37,184 --> 00:29:38,584 Speaker 2: that you've missed. I think just in. 643 00:29:38,544 --> 00:29:43,184 Speaker 3: General, the whole back and forth to sustain this anger 644 00:29:43,464 --> 00:29:46,304 Speaker 3: and I say anger like in a loving light sort 645 00:29:46,344 --> 00:29:49,104 Speaker 3: of way across thirty years, is this is one of 646 00:29:49,144 --> 00:29:52,584 Speaker 3: the longest standing relationships. Obviously they're brothers. The band goes 647 00:29:52,584 --> 00:29:55,584 Speaker 3: without saying. But to sustain this, I want to say, 648 00:29:55,624 --> 00:29:58,264 Speaker 3: faux hatred towards each other for thirty years. It has 649 00:29:58,344 --> 00:30:02,424 Speaker 3: become the band's brand, and to build this incredible success 650 00:30:02,464 --> 00:30:05,184 Speaker 3: off it, I think that's the most impressive thing about Oasis, 651 00:30:05,224 --> 00:30:07,904 Speaker 3: because when you take that away, all you have left 652 00:30:07,944 --> 00:30:10,024 Speaker 3: is the music. But the music stands up on its 653 00:30:10,024 --> 00:30:12,344 Speaker 3: own right. But that is to say, I do love 654 00:30:12,424 --> 00:30:14,824 Speaker 3: just watching all the spats that they have on Twitter 655 00:30:15,024 --> 00:30:18,144 Speaker 3: and have had across the years in music publications and 656 00:30:18,184 --> 00:30:18,904 Speaker 3: on television. 657 00:30:18,944 --> 00:30:20,144 Speaker 2: It's just so delicious. 658 00:30:20,224 --> 00:30:22,584 Speaker 1: So they actually have said that they haven't done many 659 00:30:22,624 --> 00:30:24,744 Speaker 1: interviews while they've been in a studia because they don't 660 00:30:24,744 --> 00:30:28,024 Speaker 1: want the media to try and tear apart their relationship. 661 00:30:28,304 --> 00:30:31,184 Speaker 1: It's like their relationship is hanging on by it. They've 662 00:30:31,224 --> 00:30:34,704 Speaker 1: only just connected it, they've just started to sort of 663 00:30:34,744 --> 00:30:37,664 Speaker 1: tie it back together. The last thing they need is 664 00:30:37,704 --> 00:30:40,904 Speaker 1: the media trying to dig into it and snapping a 665 00:30:40,944 --> 00:30:43,944 Speaker 1: relationship that they've finally kind of gotten back together. So 666 00:30:44,024 --> 00:30:47,664 Speaker 1: I think that's quite that's actually very immature of them, unexpectedly. 667 00:30:48,184 --> 00:30:49,664 Speaker 2: I think it's very self aware. 668 00:30:49,744 --> 00:30:52,464 Speaker 3: They know they don't need any more pushes to break 669 00:30:52,504 --> 00:30:55,144 Speaker 3: that bond. It would just take one dirty look in 670 00:30:55,184 --> 00:30:58,024 Speaker 3: the wrong direction. I reckon, Okay, kis Enya, let's wrap 671 00:30:58,064 --> 00:31:00,464 Speaker 3: this up. Look, I'm really glad to see Oasis down under. 672 00:31:00,504 --> 00:31:03,224 Speaker 3: I've had a whole bunch of friends go already, so 673 00:31:03,344 --> 00:31:05,304 Speaker 3: looking forward to seeing what they do at the Sydney shows. 674 00:31:05,344 --> 00:31:07,704 Speaker 3: And as much as I love seeing these two brothers 675 00:31:07,744 --> 00:31:11,704 Speaker 3: embrace on stage deliver these amazing performances, let us not 676 00:31:11,784 --> 00:31:15,904 Speaker 3: forget that Noel once said to Liam that he doesn't 677 00:31:15,944 --> 00:31:18,544 Speaker 3: listen to Liam's solo albums as he hates the sound 678 00:31:18,584 --> 00:31:21,144 Speaker 3: of his voice, and that he liked his mum up 679 00:31:21,224 --> 00:31:23,184 Speaker 3: until she gave birth to Liam, and I think that 680 00:31:23,664 --> 00:31:26,904 Speaker 3: underpins everything we need to know about Oasis. 681 00:31:27,264 --> 00:31:28,904 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to The Spill today. 682 00:31:28,944 --> 00:31:31,584 Speaker 1: If you enjoyed this episode, the best way you can 683 00:31:31,624 --> 00:31:34,144 Speaker 1: support us is to delive us a rating and review 684 00:31:34,144 --> 00:31:36,624 Speaker 1: on Apple Podcast. 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