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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Parenting out Loud, the podcast for people who

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Speaker 2: don't really listen to parenting podcasts. This is not sort

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Speaker 2: of vomit on your shirt or knits in the kid's hair.

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Speaker 2: This is kind of the news, the trends, the culture,

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Speaker 2: and what parents are thinking about. I'm Monique Boley.

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Speaker 1: I'm Stacy Hicks, and I'm not used to introducing myself. Second,

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Speaker 1: but Amelia is away this week and we actually have

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Speaker 1: a very special guest with us.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to introduce yourself?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Hello, I'm not Amelia Lester. I am Luca Levine. I

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Speaker 4: work here at Mamma Mia. I'm a dad.

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Speaker 3: Cool dad. I'm cosensitive dad.

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Speaker 4: I mean I've never been called that. I guess I

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Speaker 4: have now. I'm kind of like Amelia Lester, but a

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Speaker 4: little bit less smart and with a little bit more

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Speaker 4: vocal fry.

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Speaker 2: Well, welcome, young sensitive dad energy. That's what we need.

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Speaker 4: Thanks. MONSI. Hey, just I thought that I could use

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Speaker 4: maybe just the top of the show if I could

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Speaker 4: for a moment to just before we start, Can I

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Speaker 4: just jump in and clear the air, because like obviously,

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Speaker 4: mons you and I have this sort of ongoing tension

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Speaker 4: and like beef between us, do we well? Do you know?

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Speaker 4: Do you know what you've done? Oh?

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Speaker 3: What did you do?

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Speaker 4: What do you think you've done? Mons?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm pure.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I've done anything.

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Speaker 3: Actually, you're perfect. What could you have possibly done?

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Speaker 4: For those who don't know me? I started at Muma

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Speaker 4: mer as an intern about ten years. Do what I did?

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Speaker 2: They just hit me? Do you tell the people or

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Speaker 2: shall I?

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Speaker 4: I want to hear what you think you did? Mons?

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Speaker 2: Did I push you and Jesse together?

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Speaker 4: Well? I would actually say the opposite because when you

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Speaker 4: were the EP of Mum and Me Are Out Loud,

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Speaker 4: which is Muma Me's flagship show, and my now wife Jesse,

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Speaker 4: you just pulled her to the show for the first time.

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Speaker 4: Jesse and I had been dating for about two weeks

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Speaker 4: and it was still really secret, right, and then you

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Speaker 4: introduced Onto Out Loud, a new segment where Jesse has

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Speaker 4: to go out on dates with random people and bring

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Speaker 4: it back onto the show a.

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Speaker 2: Bit of love talk mouth. Jesse. Last week we set

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Speaker 2: you a challenge. You did your homework, you went on

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Speaker 2: a date. Let's see how it panned out. Okay, So

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Speaker 2: I just finished getting ready for my day tonight.

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Speaker 3: Wish me luck.

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Speaker 2: Putting myself on the line for this podcast.

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Speaker 4: Guys.

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Speaker 3: So this was the blind date?

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Speaker 1: Ye?

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Speaker 4: And so how was it?

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Speaker 2: Okay? It was a really nice guy.

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Speaker 4: He was genuinely nice.

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Speaker 2: He was good looking. Up, that was all fine. He

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Speaker 2: said that the thing he values the most when it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he said, what you did?

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Speaker 4: Just point out that he was good looking, and yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'd mentioned it. It's quite baff it's hard out there.

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Speaker 2: But oh it's hard out there. Okay, so you're back

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Speaker 2: on the horse. You're going back out there for some more.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm back on the horse. Do you know what

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Speaker 4: it's like going and picking your girlfriend of two weeks

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Speaker 4: for content?

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Speaker 2: You underestimate me, luke Levian. You don't think I knew

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Speaker 2: what was going on with you and Jesse. I was

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Speaker 2: not born yesterday. Of course I knew what was going on.

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Speaker 2: I sent Jesse on other dates so you would get

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Speaker 2: frantically jealous and lock her down. Are you not seeing

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Speaker 2: the strategy here?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 2: It worked, So that's why I say I Remember what

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Speaker 2: I did is that I forced you to together. That's

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Speaker 2: how it happened, my friend. That's just the magic of showbiz.

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Speaker 4: We've cleared the air. The tension of ten years between

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Speaker 2: Hey, coming up today, what are we talking about?

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Speaker 3: We're talking about when it got so weird to.

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Speaker 4: Be nude and the under consumption core trend that lies

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Speaker 2: Now, Stacy, what have you seen this week? What's going

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Speaker 1: So, in case you miss said, there has been a

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Speaker 3: So are you seeing.

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Speaker 2: This Sand has definitely been canceled. Yeah, Kinetic Sand has

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Speaker 2: been canceled. I have never seen my class group chat

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Speaker 2: light up like anything before fifty two messages. It exploded.

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Speaker 2: And the person that was in that the most was

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh God, God, does everyone think that

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Speaker 2: the ghost of the school group chat.

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Speaker 4: So I've seen headlines about this story, but only bits

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Speaker 4: and pieces. Someone explains me, A.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll feel you in.

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Speaker 1: So there were several early learning centers, mostly in Act

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Speaker 1: those types of things.

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Speaker 4: Is this that stuff that's like you pick it up

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Speaker 4: and it doesn't behave like sand, it's sort of like

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Speaker 3: Kinetic scent that's a whole other species.

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Speaker 2: Wait sand, I thought it was kinetic sand. It's a

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Speaker 1: It's all horrendous. But the A Triple C has officially

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Speaker 1: issued a recall on a few of them, and parents

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Speaker 1: were very freaked out. Naturally, because you hear the words asbestos,

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Speaker 1: you're terrified. Obviously we don't want our kids anywhere near that.

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Speaker 1: But WORKSAE ACT has said that the exposure risk is

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Speaker 1: its traces have been found, so they're doing it out

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Speaker 3: What do you think when you hear that? Does that

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Speaker 4: Look? My first reaction was fear right and worry as

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Speaker 4: you say stays. The word asbestos is a scary one.

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Speaker 4: The more I dug into this after seeing the headlines.

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Speaker 4: It turns out the tremolite and chrysotil asbestos found in

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Speaker 4: and so the sand is considered very low risk according

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Speaker 4: to doctor Ian Musgrave, who is a molecular pharmacologist at

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Speaker 4: maybe this could be an opportunity for us as parents

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Speaker 4: to declutter everything sand ish or sand adjacent that we

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, like we should be turning lemons into lemonade here

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Speaker 1: and going sand is the worst. We don't want it

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Speaker 1: anywhere in our house. What else can we just put

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Speaker 1: in this same bucket and go, No, it's been recalled,

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Speaker 1: it's banned. Like I personally want to get rid of stickers.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to.

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Speaker 1: Say, stickers have asbestos tracers. They're out, they gone. I

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is the Asbestos Act of twenty twenty five. Yes,

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Speaker 2: all the parents are in it together, and it's like,

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Speaker 2: what you getting rid of? Okay, here's my list glitter gel. Sorry, Charlie,

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Speaker 2: asbestos risk.

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Speaker 4: It might have asbestos in it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it might.

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Speaker 2: Who you know. Here's my other one. Drink bottles. I'm

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Speaker 2: so bored of filling up drink bottles, losing drink bottles,

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Speaker 2: buy new drink bottles. Having eighteen drink bottles on my counter. Hey,

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Speaker 2: guess what, guys, they might be a risk too.

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Speaker 3: What are you going to send ration like a glad bag?

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Speaker 2: What are you going to get some water cups? Just

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Speaker 2: drink out of the bubbler at school, be dehydrated like

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Speaker 4: I did see a TikTok of a kid who kept

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, send them into microplastics instead. Why not? There's always

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Speaker 3: going to be a risk.

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Speaker 2: Do you both feel like sort of soothed by the

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Speaker 2: idea that there is someone out there who's just taking

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Speaker 2: kids products and testing them for bad chemicals. I quite

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Speaker 2: liked that. I was like, who's doing this sound testing?

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Speaker 2: What else are they testing?

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Speaker 4: Well, I feel less soothed by the fact that they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that part's not ideal.

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Speaker 4: Friends. It is November, which means one thing.

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Speaker 2: Panic term exhaustion.

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Speaker 1: Looking at Christmas tree Facebook groups. If your mom's bowldy,

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Speaker 4: A time Christmas Tree.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as we famously spoke about last.

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Speaker 4: Week, anyone who listened last week, no, everyone, That means

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Speaker 4: Spotify rapped is coming. Oh Jesus, very very shortly. And

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Speaker 4: I want to offer you both a service. Right as parents,

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Speaker 4: we know that Spotify rapped looks a little different, and

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Speaker 4: so I want to give you both the opportunity to confess,

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Speaker 4: to get ahead of the game before Spotify rapped, and

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Speaker 4: confess what is going to be at the top of

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Speaker 4: your Spotify raps to avoid the embarrassment when it comes

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Speaker 4: out in a few weeks. Mon's what's at the top

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Speaker 4: of your Spotify rapp list?

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Speaker 2: Thank you for holding the space for me to confess, Luca,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Spotify, if you're listening. I would like

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Speaker 2: to request I'm a premium member, that's right, I pay

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Speaker 2: my monthly subscription fee gem and I would like to

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Speaker 2: request a parent mode that automatically sensors your results, like

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Speaker 2: an amnesty. Okay, please, just a little button that you

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Speaker 2: click on and it's like, cool, you're a parent. We're

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Speaker 2: not going to tell you actually the reality of what

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Speaker 2: you listen to. But here's what I think. Mine's going

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Speaker 2: to be two words chicken.

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Speaker 4: Non chicken, non chicken.

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Speaker 2: No no, no, no no no. So it's brain right effectively,

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Speaker 2: so that one and then la la la l chit

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Speaker 2: chit cha chicken. So you love a chicken and it's

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Speaker 2: distis you know that one?

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Speaker 4: That one when we don't even need to hear the

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Speaker 4: real version, because I feel like I've got it now.

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Speaker 2: I would have clocked ninety thousand hours on both Chicken

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Speaker 2: Bornana and Lala Lava Chicken. And I feel also as

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Speaker 2: a Spotify premium member that Spotify should recognize this and

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Speaker 2: just reach out and say, are you okay? Do you

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Speaker 2: need a mental health plan? Stacey, confess what's yours?

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Speaker 1: I want that amnesty for myself so that it doesn't

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Speaker 1: recognize and put like Tina Arena Chains in my top

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Speaker 1: songs because.

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Speaker 3: That's a banger. Have you listened to that recently? Prerect It?

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Speaker 2: He's exploding head.

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Speaker 4: I think what it was is, I think there's an

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Speaker 2: Okay, I've just googled it.

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Speaker 1: What well, your Spotify rap's going to look very cheery,

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Speaker 2: Are you going to share it? Do you think Luca

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Speaker 4: I will say I certainly have a newfound appreciation for bagpipes,

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Speaker 1: I famously learned the saxophone for two years. Maybe I'll

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Speaker 4: No, I think it might have some asbestos in it.

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Speaker 2: There's heaps of bagpipe sponsors that listen to this show

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Speaker 4: I hear there's a high astbestos risk, so you better

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Speaker 2: I don't know bagpipes, So thank you for bringing us

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Speaker 2: that cool dad the Spotify rap. What else is in

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Speaker 4: Look, there's a bit of a vibe shift happening on

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Speaker 4: this trend of under consumption. Have either of you heard

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what is going on with your

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Speaker 2: I'm having click frenzy, Black Friday consume consume. I have

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Speaker 2: never heard of under consumption.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So if you haven't seen it, it is basically

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Speaker 4: max version of a whole. Call it the esthetic opposite

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Speaker 4: of like an unboxing video. Right, So, the under consumption

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Speaker 4: missed it, but the vibe was, you know, consumerism is

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Speaker 4: killing the planet. We're buying far too much stuff companies effectively,

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Speaker 1: I'm starting to get a lot of that in my

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Speaker 1: algorithm to these videos where people are saying, let me

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Speaker 4: So that's exactly its stays. The under consumption trend, for example,

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Speaker 1: I saw a video of one woman and she was

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Speaker 4: I love it, and that's exactly it. But to me

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Speaker 4: it makes sense, right. The average Australian buys fifty six

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Speaker 4: this trend just even in the realms of possibility fast

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Speaker 2: everybody has. But I do think like that aside, this

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Speaker 2: But when you're weak and you're vulnerable, you do need

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Speaker 2: I think it reminds me of when this is probably

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Speaker 1: Like I have to admit with it though when I

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Speaker 1: Like I go, that's very nice, and I would love

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Speaker 1: I know. That was like my daughter's favorite toys were

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Speaker 4: SHEEPA is really playing a huge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but like they don't need as much as we

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Speaker 1: open ended toys, so like things that they can play with,

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Speaker 4: Do you guys want to hear the law that I've

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're sounding less like a cool dat and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yes, the autocrat of underconsumpty. We have a

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Speaker 4: it that no one notices when you end up throwing

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Speaker 2: I remember when I parents died like this, when I

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Speaker 2: want to mend your genes, I love that for you.

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Speaker 2: That's beautiful and you should do it. But when are

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you. I'm putting my Professor hat On.

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Speaker 2: There's two parts of the brain. There's a caveman brain,

440
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Speaker 2: which is like the amigdala and the limpic system. This

441
00:21:39,274 --> 00:21:42,073
Speaker 2: part of the brain reacts fast. It doesn't think, it

442
00:21:42,194 --> 00:21:45,073
Speaker 2: just does. This is the part of the brain that

443
00:21:45,234 --> 00:21:48,954
Speaker 2: companies love to sell to. It's why when you go

444
00:21:48,994 --> 00:21:52,354
Speaker 2: onto an app and you can buy something straight away

445
00:21:52,394 --> 00:21:56,594
Speaker 2: with one click, your caveman brain loves that okay, because

446
00:21:56,634 --> 00:22:00,154
Speaker 2: it is frictionless, it is easy, It solves a problem immediately.

447
00:22:00,194 --> 00:22:03,554
Speaker 2: It's like brain, see brain do okay.

448
00:22:03,434 --> 00:22:06,194
Speaker 1: Brain see spatula, must have spatula.

449
00:22:07,234 --> 00:22:09,554
Speaker 2: Then there's the smart brain. This is the prefrontal cortex.

450
00:22:09,794 --> 00:22:13,394
Speaker 2: This is the part that plans and reasons and thinks

451
00:22:13,434 --> 00:22:17,594
Speaker 2: more about stuff. Companies hate the prefrontal cortex. It's the

452
00:22:17,594 --> 00:22:19,354
Speaker 2: way that, like you go onto an app and you

453
00:22:19,394 --> 00:22:21,313
Speaker 2: see something you want to buy and you have to

454
00:22:21,354 --> 00:22:24,074
Speaker 2: go through two steps, you're more likely to back away

455
00:22:24,074 --> 00:22:26,474
Speaker 2: from it right because your brain, your logical brain clicks

456
00:22:26,474 --> 00:22:29,074
Speaker 2: in and goes, oh, actually I probably don't need it.

457
00:22:29,714 --> 00:22:34,313
Speaker 2: So I think that consumption, like under consumption, requires the

458
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Speaker 2: prefrontal cortex to kick in and go hang on stop.

459
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Speaker 2: But all the time we are bombarded by e commerce

460
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Speaker 2: and by these companies whose job is literally to sell

461
00:22:44,314 --> 00:22:47,634
Speaker 2: to your caveman brain, whose job is literally to work

462
00:22:47,634 --> 00:22:50,394
Speaker 2: out the psychology like there are five steps ahead of us.

463
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Speaker 2: So being able to stop and say I don't need

464
00:22:52,954 --> 00:22:55,513
Speaker 2: it like that's it takes time and energy. That's all

465
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Speaker 2: I'm saying.

466
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Speaker 4: You know what onn's I think you bang on. And

467
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Speaker 4: the reason that our defenses as parents are so low

468
00:23:04,034 --> 00:23:09,554
Speaker 4: that our prefrontal cortex is so active and just subservient

469
00:23:09,794 --> 00:23:13,994
Speaker 4: to you out companies who are very good at convincing

470
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Speaker 4: us that we need things. I'm of course not talking

471
00:23:17,594 --> 00:23:20,954
Speaker 4: about the companies that sponsor our podcast, because you absolutely

472
00:23:20,994 --> 00:23:24,634
Speaker 4: do need those things, is because we're so fucking sleep deprived.

473
00:23:24,874 --> 00:23:24,954
Speaker 1: Ye.

474
00:23:25,354 --> 00:23:28,793
Speaker 4: And when we're sleep deprived, the prefrontal cortex is more

475
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Speaker 4: or less in survival mode and the defenses are lower.

476
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Speaker 4: And so when I'm on Amazon and I just sort

477
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Speaker 4: of get half a sniff of a product that they're

478
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Speaker 4: telling me could make my life slightly easier, the logic

479
00:23:43,034 --> 00:23:45,874
Speaker 4: part of my brain having slept for four hours last

480
00:23:45,954 --> 00:23:49,674
Speaker 4: night is out the door, and the part of my

481
00:23:49,714 --> 00:23:52,994
Speaker 4: brain that goes, ooh need life make easy? Yes great,

482
00:23:53,394 --> 00:23:55,314
Speaker 4: is like let's absolutely go.

483
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's a dopamine here, right, Like, that's what

484
00:23:57,594 --> 00:24:00,274
Speaker 1: we're after and the easiest way to make our kid

485
00:24:00,314 --> 00:24:02,954
Speaker 1: happier is to purchase them something new. So that's what

486
00:24:02,994 --> 00:24:05,754
Speaker 1: we do as like a quick win. So how do

487
00:24:05,794 --> 00:24:06,794
Speaker 1: we stop this now?

488
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Speaker 2: As the under consumption King of twenty twenty five and

489
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, what is your advice for us around

490
00:24:13,234 --> 00:24:14,834
Speaker 2: like Friday? Are we just stopping?

491
00:24:15,154 --> 00:24:18,033
Speaker 4: I'd actually prefer the type. What does Kim Jongland call himself?

492
00:24:18,074 --> 00:24:21,714
Speaker 4: Is he the Supreme Leader? I would like to be

493
00:24:21,754 --> 00:24:22,154
Speaker 4: called the.

494
00:24:22,114 --> 00:24:25,554
Speaker 1: Supreme one episode and we're already having to call him

495
00:24:25,594 --> 00:24:26,474
Speaker 1: Supreme Leader.

496
00:24:26,714 --> 00:24:30,793
Speaker 2: How's the man spreading already? Like we're like twenty minutes in? Okay,

497
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Speaker 2: the Supreme the one time we let a man on

498
00:24:40,474 --> 00:24:42,274
Speaker 2: the podcast and he's like, I'm the Supreme Leader.

499
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Speaker 4: I was looking at myself back in the camera that

500
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Speaker 4: I my leg was spread and now taking up all

501
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Speaker 4: the room. Put them straight because I was.

502
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Speaker 2: Actually thinking I quit this podcast.

503
00:24:58,394 --> 00:25:01,513
Speaker 4: Luca came in, started man spreading on the couch and

504
00:25:01,634 --> 00:25:02,514
Speaker 4: made us all call.

505
00:25:02,474 --> 00:25:05,833
Speaker 2: It yeah, Supreme Leader started telling us not to buy stuff.

506
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Speaker 4: I think the moral of the story is that we

507
00:25:10,994 --> 00:25:14,033
Speaker 4: as parents, have an excuse to go easier on ourselves

508
00:25:14,154 --> 00:25:17,313
Speaker 4: when we're served with this under consumption core that's no

509
00:25:17,394 --> 00:25:19,914
Speaker 4: doubt either in your feeds or will be over the

510
00:25:19,954 --> 00:25:24,394
Speaker 4: coming months, because you are sleep deprived and you are

511
00:25:25,074 --> 00:25:28,154
Speaker 4: trying to keep another human alive and trying to keep

512
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Speaker 4: yourself alive at the same time, and so our defenses

513
00:25:33,554 --> 00:25:38,313
Speaker 4: are biologically lower, and so I think go easy on

514
00:25:38,354 --> 00:25:39,234
Speaker 4: yourself because of that.

515
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Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of the one in one outurall.

516
00:25:41,434 --> 00:25:41,833
Speaker 3: I love it.

517
00:25:42,594 --> 00:25:44,994
Speaker 1: I bring in my stuff and then eaty stuff goes

518
00:25:45,034 --> 00:25:48,033
Speaker 1: in the bin. What two things are you getting rid of?

519
00:25:48,154 --> 00:25:53,674
Speaker 1: For the twins, I need to report a disappearance, and

520
00:25:53,714 --> 00:25:56,954
Speaker 1: it's something we didn't even know had disappeared until this

521
00:25:57,074 --> 00:25:58,914
Speaker 1: article came out this week, and now I can't stop

522
00:25:58,914 --> 00:26:01,754
Speaker 1: thinking about the fact that it's gone. And the thing

523
00:26:01,794 --> 00:26:04,954
Speaker 1: that's vanished is casual nudity. Have you seen this story

524
00:26:04,954 --> 00:26:08,074
Speaker 1: from The Atlantic this week? It's called the End of

525
00:26:08,154 --> 00:26:10,793
Speaker 1: Naked Locker Rooms, and the author spoke about the fact

526
00:26:11,034 --> 00:26:13,994
Speaker 1: that the places we usually encounter like casual nudity in

527
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Speaker 1: our life, so like in a swimming center change room

528
00:26:17,474 --> 00:26:19,714
Speaker 1: or in public pool at a gym in the office

529
00:26:19,954 --> 00:26:23,794
Speaker 1: in Yeah, none of that going on here, but it's

530
00:26:23,834 --> 00:26:26,754
Speaker 1: all gradually disappeared. And he talked about the fact there

531
00:26:26,794 --> 00:26:28,954
Speaker 1: was this report a couple of years ago from Athletic

532
00:26:29,034 --> 00:26:31,674
Speaker 1: Business where they talked about how when they are doing

533
00:26:31,714 --> 00:26:34,834
Speaker 1: new constructions of sports facilities now they don't build them

534
00:26:34,834 --> 00:26:38,394
Speaker 1: with those communal showers anymore. They all have dividers. So

535
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Speaker 1: without even realizing it, we've removed our kids exposure in

536
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Speaker 1: the time when we're saying be very body positive, every

537
00:26:45,594 --> 00:26:48,474
Speaker 1: type of body is normal and natural, but we don't

538
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Speaker 1: actually let them ever see that outside of our household

539
00:26:52,554 --> 00:26:55,114
Speaker 1: or once they get to a screen. Do we need

540
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Speaker 1: to be bringing back casual nudity?

541
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Speaker 2: This is fascinating because you know, on face level, when

542
00:27:01,194 --> 00:27:03,114
Speaker 2: you say that, do we need to bring back casual

543
00:27:03,154 --> 00:27:05,513
Speaker 2: nudity so kids can see it? I'm like, what is

544
00:27:05,594 --> 00:27:08,194
Speaker 2: wrong with you? No, I don't want my kids to

545
00:27:08,194 --> 00:27:11,513
Speaker 2: see wobbly ball sacks like in a public pool area.

546
00:27:11,634 --> 00:27:11,714
Speaker 1: No.

547
00:27:12,794 --> 00:27:17,313
Speaker 2: But I researched it, I did my homework, and I

548
00:27:17,434 --> 00:27:20,793
Speaker 2: think there's some really interesting stuff around this, and I

549
00:27:20,794 --> 00:27:22,634
Speaker 2: think we just need to pause and take a moment

550
00:27:22,674 --> 00:27:24,353
Speaker 2: for the reason why this has happened. Okay, and What

551
00:27:24,394 --> 00:27:26,914
Speaker 2: I think happened is that there's a few things that

552
00:27:26,954 --> 00:27:30,114
Speaker 2: have changed in a Western context around nudity, and the

553
00:27:30,154 --> 00:27:32,114
Speaker 2: main one is like everyone's carrying a foam with a

554
00:27:32,154 --> 00:27:34,474
Speaker 2: camera on it now, and that means true things in

555
00:27:34,514 --> 00:27:36,394
Speaker 2: a public change room, the chain room is now a

556
00:27:36,394 --> 00:27:39,514
Speaker 2: place where people worry about being filmed, and because of that,

557
00:27:39,634 --> 00:27:42,314
Speaker 2: businesses need to lower the risk of something going wrong.

558
00:27:42,474 --> 00:27:45,074
Speaker 2: So that's why they're building all these privacy cubes. Like

559
00:27:45,114 --> 00:27:47,194
Speaker 2: no one wants a lawsuit on their hands, no one

560
00:27:47,234 --> 00:27:49,434
Speaker 2: wants public scandal on their hands of like people taking

561
00:27:49,434 --> 00:27:53,234
Speaker 2: photos in change rooms. So this is a very American thing.

562
00:27:53,354 --> 00:27:56,513
Speaker 2: America treats public nudity like a risk and they think

563
00:27:56,554 --> 00:28:01,674
Speaker 2: like nudity equals a lawsuit, nudity equals danger. And Australia

564
00:28:01,714 --> 00:28:03,834
Speaker 2: we kind of follow what America does, so it feelters

565
00:28:03,874 --> 00:28:06,514
Speaker 2: down there. But if you stop and look at what

566
00:28:06,634 --> 00:28:10,834
Speaker 2: Europe doing, it's really different. We went to the beach

567
00:28:10,954 --> 00:28:14,793
Speaker 2: in Spain a couple of years ago and mature was

568
00:28:15,154 --> 00:28:18,874
Speaker 2: on the floor. I had never seen so many whibbly

569
00:28:18,914 --> 00:28:22,314
Speaker 2: wobbly Germans, just like in my life. They just aren't

570
00:28:22,394 --> 00:28:29,994
Speaker 2: out there like everyone's nude. Everyone's massive bums, there's big bushes,

571
00:28:30,034 --> 00:28:32,834
Speaker 2: it's just all out there. And the same in Turkey

572
00:28:32,874 --> 00:28:36,273
Speaker 2: there's Turkish baths. In Japan there's Japanese on Sense. So

573
00:28:36,354 --> 00:28:40,154
Speaker 2: there is this different culture around public nudity that's really

574
00:28:40,794 --> 00:28:44,154
Speaker 2: different to the Western countries and America, where there's nothing

575
00:28:44,234 --> 00:28:47,674
Speaker 2: sexual about it, there's nothing shameful about it, and there's

576
00:28:47,714 --> 00:28:50,794
Speaker 2: nothing dangerous about it about a nude body. They just

577
00:28:50,914 --> 00:28:53,114
Speaker 2: are right. It just is a body who cares.

578
00:28:53,434 --> 00:28:56,714
Speaker 1: Mon's you mentioned before about Japanese on sense. That's a

579
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Speaker 1: big opportunity really to just see bodies in a neutralized space.

580
00:28:59,674 --> 00:29:01,834
Speaker 1: And I spoke to a travel writer this week who's

581
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Speaker 1: taking her teenage children. Her three children, two are Japanese

582
00:29:05,714 --> 00:29:08,914
Speaker 1: on send, where it's full nud it's divided out by sex.

583
00:29:09,434 --> 00:29:11,994
Speaker 1: To expose them to that for that very reason, because

584
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Speaker 1: their initial reaction, she said, was to go, oh, well,

585
00:29:15,154 --> 00:29:17,354
Speaker 1: we couldn't do that and we can't be there, And

586
00:29:17,354 --> 00:29:19,954
Speaker 1: she was like, no, it's important that you see that

587
00:29:20,034 --> 00:29:22,474
Speaker 1: in different cultures, that is very normal and we probably

588
00:29:22,514 --> 00:29:23,994
Speaker 1: should be taking a leaf out of their book.

589
00:29:24,194 --> 00:29:27,194
Speaker 2: Here's much interesting. So some researchers looked at this, They

590
00:29:27,194 --> 00:29:29,594
Speaker 2: took all the different countries and they went right, let's

591
00:29:29,714 --> 00:29:32,954
Speaker 2: map which countries have body image problems and guess what

592
00:29:32,954 --> 00:29:38,634
Speaker 2: they found. Places with these communal casual nudity, like Germany, Turkey, Japanese,

593
00:29:38,834 --> 00:29:41,754
Speaker 2: they raise kids who feel better about their bodies. Like,

594
00:29:41,794 --> 00:29:45,434
Speaker 2: body dissatisfaction is much lower. And in places where the

595
00:29:45,434 --> 00:29:49,474
Speaker 2: body is treated like this private shameful object, cover up

596
00:29:49,514 --> 00:29:52,234
Speaker 2: and put away and don't let anyone see it, like

597
00:29:52,314 --> 00:29:55,034
Speaker 2: the US, like the UK, like here in Australia, body

598
00:29:55,074 --> 00:29:58,674
Speaker 2: dissatisfaction is much much higher. And the simple truth is

599
00:29:58,834 --> 00:30:03,194
Speaker 2: in their research, when kids see bodies, more bodies, different bodies,

600
00:30:03,274 --> 00:30:05,954
Speaker 2: bodies that are just bodies and they're not dangerous and

601
00:30:05,954 --> 00:30:08,154
Speaker 2: they're not sexualized. They're just not hidden away or seen

602
00:30:08,194 --> 00:30:12,354
Speaker 2: as shameful or private. They have better relationships with their body.

603
00:30:12,554 --> 00:30:15,354
Speaker 4: Well that makes sense to me because thinking about what

604
00:30:15,394 --> 00:30:18,314
Speaker 4: the cultures like here in Australia and the US and

605
00:30:18,354 --> 00:30:22,234
Speaker 4: the UK's usay Mon's if there is this disappearance of

606
00:30:22,794 --> 00:30:27,274
Speaker 4: public nudity and we're not seeing as many you know,

607
00:30:28,154 --> 00:30:30,394
Speaker 4: big fat germans out in about.

608
00:30:30,194 --> 00:30:32,674
Speaker 2: The term is wibbly wobbly yeah.

609
00:30:32,394 --> 00:30:35,674
Speaker 4: Or you know the person at swimming lessons getting changed

610
00:30:35,954 --> 00:30:38,314
Speaker 4: next to us in the change room and sort of

611
00:30:38,314 --> 00:30:41,514
Speaker 4: seeing what their body looks like. Really, the two places

612
00:30:41,514 --> 00:30:44,634
Speaker 4: that our kids see in akered bodies are their parents

613
00:30:44,954 --> 00:30:45,514
Speaker 4: and porn.

614
00:30:45,794 --> 00:30:49,074
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's so interesting what you say, because it's

615
00:30:49,114 --> 00:30:51,514
Speaker 1: even now with AI coming into that as well. The

616
00:30:51,514 --> 00:30:54,114
Speaker 1: bodies that they're seeing in porn are even more unrealistic

617
00:30:54,154 --> 00:30:56,234
Speaker 1: than what they're going to encounter in life.

618
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Speaker 4: And their parents are sample size of two, right, Yeah,

619
00:31:00,794 --> 00:31:03,594
Speaker 4: And most parents, I like parents, most of them have

620
00:31:04,034 --> 00:31:07,354
Speaker 4: normal bodies. I'm doing quote marks, normal bodies, i'd say,

621
00:31:07,954 --> 00:31:11,674
Speaker 4: But porn, for the most part, obviously bodies are I

622
00:31:11,674 --> 00:31:16,434
Speaker 4: would say, on balance, probably less normal again in quote marks,

623
00:31:16,874 --> 00:31:20,234
Speaker 4: more idealized, more sculpted. It's probably not what the average

624
00:31:20,274 --> 00:31:25,274
Speaker 4: person looks like. And so I completely understand and agree

625
00:31:25,954 --> 00:31:29,474
Speaker 4: that it's problematic the disappearance of casual.

626
00:31:29,194 --> 00:31:31,594
Speaker 1: Nudity because I think we've all probably got a memory

627
00:31:31,714 --> 00:31:33,954
Speaker 1: from being a child and you're in a change room

628
00:31:33,994 --> 00:31:36,074
Speaker 1: somewhere and you see a body of someone who's not

629
00:31:36,154 --> 00:31:40,074
Speaker 1: your parents, they and they look different, and in your

630
00:31:40,114 --> 00:31:42,674
Speaker 1: mind you think, oh, that's something new I haven't seen.

631
00:31:42,874 --> 00:31:46,154
Speaker 3: But that's great. It's like exposure therapy. Literally, you've got

632
00:31:46,194 --> 00:31:46,794
Speaker 3: to be able.

633
00:31:46,634 --> 00:31:49,994
Speaker 1: To see different bodies and just see them as neutral,

634
00:31:49,994 --> 00:31:53,474
Speaker 1: because when we're hiding them, that's when it becomes sexually charged,

635
00:31:53,514 --> 00:31:55,674
Speaker 1: because then the only place they're seeing them is porn.

636
00:31:55,794 --> 00:31:57,754
Speaker 1: That's not what we want them to see as a

637
00:31:57,794 --> 00:31:59,834
Speaker 1: representation of what bodies look like at all.

638
00:32:00,034 --> 00:32:03,114
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, do you know where body dysmorphia stems from.

639
00:32:03,314 --> 00:32:08,874
Speaker 2: It stems from shame and compare. These are the central

640
00:32:08,914 --> 00:32:12,274
Speaker 2: emotions that cause it, like that fear of judgment that

641
00:32:12,474 --> 00:32:15,554
Speaker 2: I'm different and I'm weird. So yeah, there is the

642
00:32:15,554 --> 00:32:18,994
Speaker 2: case for more public nudity. So with all of this known,

643
00:32:19,354 --> 00:32:21,474
Speaker 2: is it enough stacy, Is it enough to just take

644
00:32:21,514 --> 00:32:23,474
Speaker 2: them to the beach at summer and just let them

645
00:32:23,474 --> 00:32:26,194
Speaker 2: be around lots of different bodies? Is there something about

646
00:32:26,234 --> 00:32:28,234
Speaker 2: the nude factor that's critical here?

647
00:32:28,634 --> 00:32:29,994
Speaker 3: I think that definitely helps.

648
00:32:30,194 --> 00:32:32,714
Speaker 1: Like I think the more that we're seeing people in

649
00:32:32,754 --> 00:32:34,954
Speaker 1: that way, that's great. But yeah, maybe it is the

650
00:32:34,994 --> 00:32:36,994
Speaker 1: next level up from that, I don't know.

651
00:32:37,474 --> 00:32:42,194
Speaker 4: Stepping back, something that I've observed with this piece in

652
00:32:42,234 --> 00:32:44,154
Speaker 4: the Atlantic Station and having a think about it a

653
00:32:44,194 --> 00:32:47,314
Speaker 4: little bit, is that we've sort of completely inverted almost

654
00:32:47,394 --> 00:32:51,754
Speaker 4: what we consider private in the last maybe five to

655
00:32:51,834 --> 00:32:56,314
Speaker 4: ten years, because as you say, casual nudity is disappearing.

656
00:32:56,834 --> 00:32:59,514
Speaker 4: We're terrified of being seen naked in a locker room

657
00:32:59,594 --> 00:33:02,074
Speaker 4: for three seconds, and you know, we get dressed in

658
00:33:02,074 --> 00:33:04,914
Speaker 4: a towel the beach, like you don't get your bits

659
00:33:04,954 --> 00:33:09,394
Speaker 4: out necessarily, but well happily post a thousand word caption

660
00:33:09,994 --> 00:33:13,554
Speaker 4: on Instagram about our deepest trauma, or about our reading disorder,

661
00:33:13,834 --> 00:33:16,954
Speaker 4: or about our anxiety, or about very very private parts

662
00:33:16,954 --> 00:33:20,634
Speaker 4: of our lives for strangers on the internet to read.

663
00:33:21,114 --> 00:33:26,194
Speaker 4: And so we've sort of become physical prudes but emotional

664
00:33:26,474 --> 00:33:29,914
Speaker 4: nudists in a way. And I'm not sure that either

665
00:33:29,914 --> 00:33:30,914
Speaker 4: of those things are healthy.

666
00:33:31,274 --> 00:33:34,714
Speaker 2: I do love that term emotionally nude is really that's great.

667
00:33:34,754 --> 00:33:36,754
Speaker 2: I love that, But I don't agree that that's a

668
00:33:36,794 --> 00:33:39,954
Speaker 2: bad thing. How's talking about feelings a bad thing unless

669
00:33:39,954 --> 00:33:41,834
Speaker 2: it goes? Are you talking about sort of like the

670
00:33:41,834 --> 00:33:45,434
Speaker 2: therapeustization whatever the word is of the language, How people

671
00:33:45,434 --> 00:33:47,954
Speaker 2: say they're triggered, how people say it's trauma over just

672
00:33:47,994 --> 00:33:51,194
Speaker 2: like small things. It probably aren't diagnostically those six.

673
00:33:51,114 --> 00:33:54,754
Speaker 4: That is exactly it. Mond So it now seems normal

674
00:33:55,154 --> 00:33:59,434
Speaker 4: to have deep trauma about something, or it seems normal

675
00:33:59,554 --> 00:34:03,954
Speaker 4: to have you know, diagnosed anxiety, and for many people

676
00:34:03,994 --> 00:34:08,513
Speaker 4: that's absolutely the case. But it's almost like, exactly as

677
00:34:08,514 --> 00:34:11,993
Speaker 4: you say, Mons, I have a feeling I've read about

678
00:34:11,994 --> 00:34:15,634
Speaker 4: everyone getting these diagnoses, so I must, or my kid must,

679
00:34:15,714 --> 00:34:18,474
Speaker 4: or whatever it might be, have a diagnosis.

680
00:34:18,794 --> 00:34:21,393
Speaker 1: I love that term, emotional newdess. That is exactly what

681
00:34:21,434 --> 00:34:24,034
Speaker 1: we're doing. Like, I don't know why we've become so

682
00:34:24,234 --> 00:34:27,794
Speaker 1: closed off physically when it was always a very shamefree

683
00:34:27,834 --> 00:34:30,554
Speaker 1: space traditionally in history. But you're right, it's almost like

684
00:34:30,594 --> 00:34:34,114
Speaker 1: we've flipped that now into you know, putting it all

685
00:34:34,114 --> 00:34:36,594
Speaker 1: out there, but only when it comes to the mind.

686
00:34:36,874 --> 00:34:39,314
Speaker 4: You know, the only thing for it is to lead

687
00:34:39,354 --> 00:34:39,954
Speaker 4: by example.

688
00:34:41,954 --> 00:34:44,394
Speaker 3: I am not going to a neody beach. I can't

689
00:34:44,434 --> 00:34:46,433
Speaker 3: do it. Do as I say, not as I do.

690
00:34:47,954 --> 00:34:50,674
Speaker 2: Okay, it's time for recommendations, where we bring you things

691
00:34:50,714 --> 00:34:55,074
Speaker 2: we've seen, loved, read, sometimes bought. And I know Luca

692
00:34:55,194 --> 00:34:58,194
Speaker 2: has worked really hard to deinfluence you all from buying

693
00:34:58,234 --> 00:35:00,433
Speaker 2: shit this week, but the Internet works harder.

694
00:35:00,514 --> 00:35:00,754
Speaker 4: Luca.

695
00:35:00,834 --> 00:35:03,954
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to say so today I'm going to bring

696
00:35:04,074 --> 00:35:06,873
Speaker 2: to recommend you both. Don't hate on me for this,

697
00:35:07,794 --> 00:35:11,234
Speaker 2: but it's like a Black Friday shopping list it's probably

698
00:35:11,234 --> 00:35:14,754
Speaker 2: the only Black Friday shopping list that you need. It's

699
00:35:14,754 --> 00:35:19,473
Speaker 2: this Instagram account called two Broke Chicks. Y. There's two women,

700
00:35:19,474 --> 00:35:23,354
Speaker 2: these two Australian women, and their hyper focus is collating

701
00:35:23,754 --> 00:35:26,794
Speaker 2: every single sale. They have a spreadsheet with everything on

702
00:35:26,834 --> 00:35:29,954
Speaker 2: it and it's categorized into themes like close, beauty, homeworss,

703
00:35:29,994 --> 00:35:32,634
Speaker 2: like electronics. This is apparently it's a famous thing they

704
00:35:32,714 --> 00:35:34,913
Speaker 2: do every year. I'm so late to the party. I've

705
00:35:34,914 --> 00:35:37,954
Speaker 2: only just found it. I was like, holy shit, like,

706
00:35:38,154 --> 00:35:40,674
Speaker 2: thank you for doing God's work here for people that

707
00:35:40,714 --> 00:35:43,354
Speaker 2: love a bargain. So yeah, Two Broke Chicks on Instagram.

708
00:35:43,354 --> 00:35:44,594
Speaker 2: It's like an exl spreadsheet.

709
00:35:44,634 --> 00:35:45,834
Speaker 3: I think it is.

710
00:35:45,954 --> 00:35:48,714
Speaker 1: It's amazing. I saw it as well. It's great and

711
00:35:48,874 --> 00:35:50,674
Speaker 1: you're right, like if you're spending the money, you might

712
00:35:50,714 --> 00:35:53,393
Speaker 1: as well be getting it for cheaper, Like be mindful,

713
00:35:53,634 --> 00:35:55,074
Speaker 1: but get it at a bargain price.

714
00:35:55,234 --> 00:35:58,394
Speaker 4: Mom's example of something you're going to be buying. Slash

715
00:35:58,434 --> 00:36:00,194
Speaker 4: have bought from the spreadsheet.

716
00:36:00,634 --> 00:36:05,913
Speaker 2: I saw your Yoto player on their stacy, so I

717
00:36:05,994 --> 00:36:10,114
Speaker 2: love them. I'm trying really hard, Luca. In fact, my

718
00:36:10,154 --> 00:36:12,393
Speaker 2: mancher this week is you do not need another dice,

719
00:36:12,434 --> 00:36:14,194
Speaker 2: and you do not need another dcon.

720
00:36:13,994 --> 00:36:17,433
Speaker 1: The vacuum or the hair dryer the vacuum. Maybe get

721
00:36:17,434 --> 00:36:19,354
Speaker 1: the hair dryer in some variety and.

722
00:36:19,394 --> 00:36:22,754
Speaker 4: It's multiple vacuums. Do you still have one of those

723
00:36:23,434 --> 00:36:25,234
Speaker 4: things that you sort of lug behind you and the

724
00:36:25,314 --> 00:36:27,234
Speaker 4: banks into the wall and then pulls the cord out

725
00:36:27,314 --> 00:36:30,074
Speaker 4: and then does it have that fun button that you

726
00:36:30,114 --> 00:36:31,354
Speaker 4: press that sucks the cord in?

727
00:36:31,474 --> 00:36:33,473
Speaker 2: Like, yes, yes it does.

728
00:36:33,954 --> 00:36:34,433
Speaker 4: That's a good.

729
00:36:34,834 --> 00:36:36,994
Speaker 3: Yeah. What if you got for us this week? Luca?

730
00:36:37,154 --> 00:36:41,114
Speaker 4: Okay, so I said before you know, under consumption, we

731
00:36:41,114 --> 00:36:44,274
Speaker 4: should all be consuming less, as you said Mon's it

732
00:36:44,354 --> 00:36:46,994
Speaker 4: is Black Friday coming up soon. Black Friday for anyone

733
00:36:47,034 --> 00:36:50,674
Speaker 4: that doesn't know, it is like an end of November annual.

734
00:36:51,354 --> 00:36:53,154
Speaker 4: Lots of deals, a lot of companies.

735
00:36:53,394 --> 00:36:55,594
Speaker 2: We all know what it is, Luca.

736
00:36:56,514 --> 00:36:57,514
Speaker 4: Great, we're all friends.

737
00:36:57,594 --> 00:37:01,513
Speaker 3: We're fighting for our lives here. Yes, we know, we're

738
00:37:01,554 --> 00:37:02,514
Speaker 3: in spreadsheets.

739
00:37:03,274 --> 00:37:08,274
Speaker 4: I have an app that is called shop So my

740
00:37:08,434 --> 00:37:11,314
Speaker 4: record is if you are going to be buying things

741
00:37:11,354 --> 00:37:15,314
Speaker 4: in the Black Friday sales or Christmas soon, do it

742
00:37:15,514 --> 00:37:18,834
Speaker 4: via the shop back app. Because when you shop via

743
00:37:18,834 --> 00:37:24,794
Speaker 4: the shop back app. So I was just vibing out

744
00:37:24,794 --> 00:37:29,034
Speaker 4: to brist Ring Tone there. If you are going to

745
00:37:29,074 --> 00:37:31,914
Speaker 4: buy via the shot back app, it gives you back

746
00:37:32,154 --> 00:37:35,634
Speaker 4: a percent of your purchase in cash, and the percent

747
00:37:36,194 --> 00:37:39,074
Speaker 4: changes depending on what retailer you buy from.

748
00:37:39,074 --> 00:37:40,114
Speaker 3: It's a free app.

749
00:37:40,194 --> 00:37:44,114
Speaker 4: It's a free app. It sounds like a scam. I

750
00:37:44,194 --> 00:37:48,393
Speaker 4: promise there's no Nigerian prints involved. If you go and

751
00:37:48,474 --> 00:37:52,073
Speaker 4: click through to purchase on say Amazon, through the shop

752
00:37:52,114 --> 00:37:55,594
Speaker 4: back app, once you've purchased, you will get fifteen percent

753
00:37:56,074 --> 00:37:58,834
Speaker 4: back in your bank account. It's as simple as that.

754
00:37:59,194 --> 00:38:01,794
Speaker 2: But what what's yeah? Are they selling you?

755
00:38:02,874 --> 00:38:07,433
Speaker 4: You're like, what's what's the catch? Okay? So brands, many

756
00:38:07,474 --> 00:38:11,874
Speaker 4: of whom are our friends, brands always have a little

757
00:38:11,874 --> 00:38:15,834
Speaker 4: bit of their margin set aside to get people to

758
00:38:15,834 --> 00:38:18,874
Speaker 4: buy their product. Right, So some people listening, I'm sure,

759
00:38:19,034 --> 00:38:21,234
Speaker 4: will do the thing where they click through to buy

760
00:38:21,274 --> 00:38:23,874
Speaker 4: from the Quantas shopping store, so you get qunus points

761
00:38:23,874 --> 00:38:27,073
Speaker 4: every time you buy. A lot of publishers like Mamma

762
00:38:27,194 --> 00:38:30,953
Speaker 4: Mea will partner with brands on affiliate links, so if

763
00:38:31,034 --> 00:38:33,834
Speaker 4: a publisher links to a product that someone ends up buying,

764
00:38:33,874 --> 00:38:36,953
Speaker 4: the publisher gets a little kickback. What shopback is is

765
00:38:37,074 --> 00:38:40,194
Speaker 4: effectively the brand taking that little bit of their margin

766
00:38:40,714 --> 00:38:42,994
Speaker 4: that they have set aside for marketing and giving it

767
00:38:43,154 --> 00:38:46,554
Speaker 4: straight back to the consumer rather than the middleman like

768
00:38:46,754 --> 00:38:50,834
Speaker 4: quanas or a publisher or someone else. So if I

769
00:38:50,834 --> 00:38:53,194
Speaker 4: go and open my shop back app right now, I've

770
00:38:53,234 --> 00:38:56,194
Speaker 4: got like one hundred and fifty bucks in there from purchases.

771
00:38:56,274 --> 00:38:58,314
Speaker 4: I've not gone and purchased anything out of my way.

772
00:38:58,394 --> 00:39:00,513
Speaker 4: If I go back arms of Eve, I bought Jesse

773
00:39:00,594 --> 00:39:03,034
Speaker 4: some jewelry Amazon, I had to buy a new keyboard

774
00:39:03,114 --> 00:39:05,754
Speaker 4: for my laptop at home, and I've just sort of

775
00:39:05,754 --> 00:39:08,794
Speaker 4: a crude little five bucks here, seven bucks here. You're

776
00:39:08,794 --> 00:39:12,154
Speaker 4: not going to get rich immediately, but it's a nice

777
00:39:12,354 --> 00:39:17,074
Speaker 4: little kickback shot back hashtag not sponsored that will make

778
00:39:17,154 --> 00:39:19,513
Speaker 4: you feel good by getting a couple of bucks back

779
00:39:19,554 --> 00:39:22,314
Speaker 4: in your bank account every time you have to buy something.

780
00:39:22,674 --> 00:39:23,834
Speaker 3: Okay, I need this.

781
00:39:23,874 --> 00:39:26,754
Speaker 2: When you see the jewelry, did you make her chuck

782
00:39:26,754 --> 00:39:27,874
Speaker 2: out a piece of jewelry?

783
00:39:28,114 --> 00:39:30,034
Speaker 4: I think I went and chucked out something for her

784
00:39:30,114 --> 00:39:33,354
Speaker 4: that she didn't realize, not jewelry, but probably a spatula

785
00:39:33,514 --> 00:39:36,914
Speaker 4: or something, an asbestos filled spatula.

786
00:39:39,674 --> 00:39:42,194
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, my reco this week is something that you

787
00:39:42,274 --> 00:39:43,114
Speaker 1: don't have to buy.

788
00:39:43,754 --> 00:39:45,434
Speaker 3: I tried very hard.

789
00:39:45,194 --> 00:39:47,954
Speaker 1: To do something that you didn't have to buy this week.

790
00:39:48,474 --> 00:39:50,314
Speaker 1: This is a life hack, and it's either going to

791
00:39:50,394 --> 00:39:52,354
Speaker 1: be something that you go, yes, I've been doing this

792
00:39:52,594 --> 00:39:55,433
Speaker 1: my entire adult life, or you go no, I've never

793
00:39:55,674 --> 00:39:56,474
Speaker 1: heard of this before.

794
00:39:57,154 --> 00:39:58,074
Speaker 3: Mon's when you do.

795
00:39:58,074 --> 00:39:59,794
Speaker 1: Your washing and you get your shirt out of the

796
00:39:59,834 --> 00:40:02,434
Speaker 1: washing machine, how do you hang it on the line

797
00:40:02,514 --> 00:40:03,634
Speaker 1: or the clothes horse.

798
00:40:03,634 --> 00:40:06,714
Speaker 2: From the bottom two pegs stainless steel pegs.

799
00:40:07,274 --> 00:40:09,994
Speaker 1: Okay, you're pegging. Okay, this is where you're going wrong?

800
00:40:10,194 --> 00:40:13,914
Speaker 4: Wrong? Did realize it was that kind of podcast?

801
00:40:15,274 --> 00:40:19,594
Speaker 1: No more pegging, don't peg it.

802
00:40:18,954 --> 00:40:20,034
Speaker 2: Shame my pegging.

803
00:40:20,234 --> 00:40:24,634
Speaker 1: No, you need to just have clothes horse hangers. Have

804
00:40:24,674 --> 00:40:27,754
Speaker 1: some coat hangers on your clothesline or your clothes horse

805
00:40:27,874 --> 00:40:31,194
Speaker 1: all the time. Shake out your shirts and hang them

806
00:40:31,234 --> 00:40:33,194
Speaker 1: on there. Shake out your dresses, hang them on there,

807
00:40:33,354 --> 00:40:35,514
Speaker 1: because then you don't have to faff about with the

808
00:40:35,514 --> 00:40:38,594
Speaker 1: pegs afterwards. When they're dry, you just push all the

809
00:40:38,594 --> 00:40:41,873
Speaker 1: hangers together, walk straight to your wardrobe and put them

810
00:40:41,914 --> 00:40:45,754
Speaker 1: in there. There's no folding middleman, and then you don't

811
00:40:45,754 --> 00:40:48,994
Speaker 1: have to iron most things. I iron almost nothing.

812
00:40:49,194 --> 00:40:51,073
Speaker 4: Yes, I have a phobia revice same.

813
00:40:51,274 --> 00:40:53,354
Speaker 1: I hate ironing. I never want to do it. And

814
00:40:53,394 --> 00:40:56,794
Speaker 1: so that's why I do the shake and hang technique, and.

815
00:40:57,194 --> 00:40:58,073
Speaker 4: My mind was grown.

816
00:40:58,154 --> 00:40:59,754
Speaker 1: I brought this up in a meeting and half the

817
00:40:59,754 --> 00:41:01,594
Speaker 1: people in there had never thought of it before.

818
00:41:01,714 --> 00:41:03,114
Speaker 3: So I'm sharing my wisdom.

819
00:41:03,474 --> 00:41:05,554
Speaker 2: I know people that do this. I can't believe you're

820
00:41:05,554 --> 00:41:09,634
Speaker 2: one of them. You can't believe I'm the same person, Stacy.

821
00:41:09,714 --> 00:41:11,953
Speaker 2: I feel like tying as much as I do. I

822
00:41:12,034 --> 00:41:16,314
Speaker 2: fucking love ironing. I love it, but I love crispness

823
00:41:16,514 --> 00:41:18,514
Speaker 2: of the shirt after it's been ironed. Like you're not

824
00:41:18,554 --> 00:41:21,154
Speaker 2: getting a level of Christmas when you hang on a hanger, right.

825
00:41:21,114 --> 00:41:24,874
Speaker 3: You're cooked? Stop ironing? What are you doing? Just use jacking.

826
00:41:25,194 --> 00:41:27,473
Speaker 3: You will love me. You'll have so much time back.

827
00:41:27,554 --> 00:41:29,913
Speaker 1: You'll have at least ten minutes extra day to shop

828
00:41:29,954 --> 00:41:30,674
Speaker 1: Black Friday.

829
00:41:30,914 --> 00:41:32,714
Speaker 2: Don't they hangers blow off the line?

830
00:41:33,034 --> 00:41:35,594
Speaker 1: No, I just use the clothes horse inside. I'm too

831
00:41:35,674 --> 00:41:38,033
Speaker 1: lazy to go outside. It's going to change your life.

832
00:41:38,114 --> 00:41:40,074
Speaker 1: Just promise me you'll try it once. You'll love it.

833
00:41:40,514 --> 00:41:44,194
Speaker 4: Mon's did you say you have stainless steel pigs?

834
00:41:44,474 --> 00:41:44,634
Speaker 2: Oh?

835
00:41:44,714 --> 00:41:48,714
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Now that is under consumption.

836
00:41:48,874 --> 00:41:52,154
Speaker 3: I bet they last for one hundred years over there.

837
00:41:52,194 --> 00:41:53,194
Speaker 2: It lasts so long.

838
00:41:53,714 --> 00:41:54,434
Speaker 3: Yes, sick.

839
00:41:54,794 --> 00:41:58,074
Speaker 2: I do have to issue a public apology. Last week's episode,

840
00:41:58,074 --> 00:42:00,594
Speaker 2: I talked about wanking a Christmas tree, and I mentioned

841
00:42:00,714 --> 00:42:04,714
Speaker 2: a Balsam Hills tree. I am getting trolled by listeners

842
00:42:04,714 --> 00:42:07,034
Speaker 2: who are sending me Bosom Hill trees and being like,

843
00:42:07,394 --> 00:42:09,994
Speaker 2: I guess it's not in your house. Like the level

844
00:42:10,074 --> 00:42:13,554
Speaker 2: of trolling. I love it. Thank you. I'm glad we're

845
00:42:13,594 --> 00:42:15,834
Speaker 2: all in on this joke together. But I just want

846
00:42:15,874 --> 00:42:18,393
Speaker 2: to say, I'm really sorry if anyone is now being

847
00:42:18,514 --> 00:42:21,994
Speaker 2: smashed in their algorithm by this company, like their equalerce

848
00:42:22,074 --> 00:42:25,073
Speaker 2: person is elite, because I only thought about it once

849
00:42:25,154 --> 00:42:26,834
Speaker 2: and then suddenly it was like all over my phone.

850
00:42:26,834 --> 00:42:29,074
Speaker 2: You know when that happens. So I'm really sorry for

851
00:42:29,074 --> 00:42:31,513
Speaker 2: anyone that that's happened to you this week. Please keep

852
00:42:31,514 --> 00:42:33,594
Speaker 2: trolling me on my Instagram. I love it.

853
00:42:33,714 --> 00:42:35,754
Speaker 4: Do you want to get ahead of yourself while you're

854
00:42:35,794 --> 00:42:39,434
Speaker 4: at it and issue a public apology to our German listeners?

855
00:42:39,714 --> 00:42:42,474
Speaker 2: No, Luca, I will not apologize to the roly poly Germans.

856
00:42:42,474 --> 00:42:45,594
Speaker 2: I think they are doing a public service by getting

857
00:42:45,594 --> 00:42:48,594
Speaker 2: their bits out to them. I say, donkey, cham is

858
00:42:48,594 --> 00:42:49,074
Speaker 2: that German?

859
00:42:49,754 --> 00:42:49,993
Speaker 1: Yeah?

860
00:42:50,394 --> 00:42:53,594
Speaker 2: It is okay, thank you. Hey, that's all we have

861
00:42:53,674 --> 00:42:56,274
Speaker 2: time for a big thank you to our supreme leader

862
00:42:56,434 --> 00:43:00,873
Speaker 2: Luca for parachuting in today. Amelia with back next week. Stacy,

863
00:43:01,114 --> 00:43:04,394
Speaker 2: you keep us honest. Thank you, and to everyone listening,

864
00:43:04,514 --> 00:43:08,073
Speaker 2: good luck with your Spotify wrapped and all the best

865
00:43:08,074 --> 00:43:11,473
Speaker 2: with the Asbestos Eradication Act of twenty twenty five in

866
00:43:11,514 --> 00:43:14,274
Speaker 2: your house. Thank you, Thank you for staying with us

867
00:43:14,314 --> 00:43:17,514
Speaker 2: this episode. Hey listen, If you know a parent you

868
00:43:17,594 --> 00:43:20,473
Speaker 2: reckon would like this show, you should send it to them.

869
00:43:20,754 --> 00:43:23,953
Speaker 2: That way you can debrief with them too, and it's

870
00:43:23,994 --> 00:43:26,074
Speaker 2: like something you have in common. You can be like, hey,

871
00:43:26,114 --> 00:43:28,154
Speaker 2: did you listen this week? Like how about wedn Stacy

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Speaker 2: hang her clothes on the line with the hanger. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's just bloody bonding, isn't it?

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Speaker 4: Correct content? It's good content.

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Speaker 3: That's possibly my best content ever.

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Speaker 4: Actually, get that up here.

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Speaker 3: I'm changing lives. Guys.

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Speaker 2: A big thanks to our team Junior content producer Tessa Koovic,

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Speaker 2: our senior producer Leoporgus and Executive producer Sashritanic and the

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Speaker 2: group ep is Ruth de Vine. Have a great week.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back in this feed next Saturday morning. Bye bye,

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Speaker 2: didn't want to deal by say bye?

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Speaker 3: Fuck off.

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Speaker 4: Bye bye everybody, bye, goodbye, thanks so much for.

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Speaker 3: Goodbye, good day.

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Speaker 4: She really really stumbled at the final hurdle

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Speaker 2: Of Mamma Mere acknowledges the traditional owners of the land

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Speaker 2: on which we have recorded this podcast.