1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 1: So much you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,744 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and Borders 3 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:21,824 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hello, spill Is, It's 4 00:00:21,864 --> 00:00:24,544 Speaker 2: Laura here to tell you about this exciting new podcast 5 00:00:24,584 --> 00:00:27,104 Speaker 2: that has just dropped into your feed. I am so 6 00:00:27,144 --> 00:00:30,384 Speaker 2: excited to tell you that the Spill universe is expanding, 7 00:00:30,744 --> 00:00:32,664 Speaker 2: so we are always listening to what you guys want 8 00:00:32,704 --> 00:00:34,664 Speaker 2: at the moment. 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But I just wanted to 19 00:01:03,624 --> 00:01:06,504 Speaker 2: give you a little taste of what's to come. So 20 00:01:06,664 --> 00:01:09,824 Speaker 2: with Watch Party, you can expect episodes on shows like 21 00:01:09,864 --> 00:01:12,784 Speaker 2: The White Life, Lotus or Bridgeton or my personal favorite 22 00:01:12,824 --> 00:01:15,184 Speaker 2: Emily in Paris. But today we're going to start you 23 00:01:15,224 --> 00:01:17,824 Speaker 2: off with something really special because it's one of the 24 00:01:17,824 --> 00:01:22,224 Speaker 2: most anticipated book to movie adaptations of the moment, and 25 00:01:22,264 --> 00:01:25,624 Speaker 2: that is Richard Osmond's beloved who Done It? The Thursday 26 00:01:25,704 --> 00:01:29,584 Speaker 2: Murder Club, which has just dropped on Netflix. I hope 27 00:01:29,584 --> 00:01:32,464 Speaker 2: you enjoyed this episode as much as I did. 28 00:01:32,504 --> 00:01:34,264 Speaker 3: Help PLEA, Cant help. 29 00:01:34,104 --> 00:01:38,144 Speaker 1: Please, From Mamma Mia. 30 00:01:38,224 --> 00:01:41,344 Speaker 3: Welcome to The Spills watch Party, where we unpack the 31 00:01:41,344 --> 00:01:45,184 Speaker 3: biggest shows and movies that everyone is talking about now. 32 00:01:45,384 --> 00:01:47,864 Speaker 3: This is a brand new podcast where we're not just 33 00:01:47,904 --> 00:01:51,344 Speaker 3: watching TV and movies during work hours, although we are 34 00:01:51,464 --> 00:01:54,384 Speaker 3: kind of doing that, but because we are also diving 35 00:01:54,424 --> 00:01:57,344 Speaker 3: deep as well, we'll have all the hot takes and 36 00:01:57,384 --> 00:02:00,344 Speaker 3: those working theories that you love from The Spill, plus 37 00:02:00,384 --> 00:02:02,264 Speaker 3: all of the behind the scenes t too. 38 00:02:02,744 --> 00:02:03,704 Speaker 1: I'm Taylor Strano. 39 00:02:03,864 --> 00:02:06,624 Speaker 3: I'm a journalist and the host of our news podcast, 40 00:02:06,784 --> 00:02:09,424 Speaker 3: The Quikie, and I recently got my button to gear 41 00:02:09,664 --> 00:02:14,584 Speaker 3: and fine read well slash listened to The Thursday Murder Club, 42 00:02:14,624 --> 00:02:16,864 Speaker 3: and that is, of course what we are talking about today. 43 00:02:16,904 --> 00:02:19,464 Speaker 3: If you didn't know, the Thursday Murder Club debut novel 44 00:02:19,504 --> 00:02:22,024 Speaker 3: from the great Richard Osmond more on him in a moment. 45 00:02:22,304 --> 00:02:25,504 Speaker 3: But it's been adapted into this brilliant film for Netflix. 46 00:02:26,104 --> 00:02:29,624 Speaker 3: It essentially is for retirees. They live in this gorgeous 47 00:02:29,664 --> 00:02:34,384 Speaker 3: retirement village Cooper's Chase, and a bunch of murders happen 48 00:02:34,624 --> 00:02:38,104 Speaker 3: at their lovely estate. Now mystery is afoot. They are 49 00:02:38,224 --> 00:02:40,744 Speaker 3: the Thursday Murder Club and they're on the case. They're 50 00:02:40,744 --> 00:02:44,584 Speaker 3: going to solve not one, not two, but three murders. 51 00:02:44,904 --> 00:02:47,264 Speaker 3: Now I'm not here solo today. Luckily I've brought some 52 00:02:47,304 --> 00:02:49,864 Speaker 3: friends with me, one of whom is all over this 53 00:02:49,984 --> 00:02:50,864 Speaker 3: story and the. 54 00:02:50,864 --> 00:02:53,104 Speaker 1: Law like a little bit of a rash. It's me 55 00:02:53,304 --> 00:02:53,824 Speaker 1: the rash. 56 00:02:54,944 --> 00:02:55,104 Speaker 3: Hi. 57 00:02:55,224 --> 00:02:58,064 Speaker 1: My name is Georgie Page. I'm a group executive producer 58 00:02:58,104 --> 00:03:00,824 Speaker 1: here at Mamma Maya and The Thursday Murder Club is 59 00:03:00,904 --> 00:03:02,824 Speaker 1: my number one favorite book. 60 00:03:02,984 --> 00:03:05,464 Speaker 4: And my name is Courtney Amenhauser. I'm also a group 61 00:03:05,504 --> 00:03:08,624 Speaker 4: executive producer, and Georgie, please don't cancel me, but I 62 00:03:08,624 --> 00:03:09,464 Speaker 4: haven't read the book. 63 00:03:09,864 --> 00:03:10,744 Speaker 1: What have you doing? 64 00:03:11,024 --> 00:03:11,704 Speaker 4: I'm so sorry. 65 00:03:11,824 --> 00:03:16,064 Speaker 3: I can feel the tension in I feel like I've 66 00:03:16,144 --> 00:03:18,904 Speaker 3: very quickly become the moderator. And that's fine and very comfortable. 67 00:03:18,904 --> 00:03:20,824 Speaker 3: But if you like Courtney, have not. 68 00:03:20,864 --> 00:03:21,464 Speaker 1: Read the book. 69 00:03:21,904 --> 00:03:23,944 Speaker 3: That is okay, you get a whole past today because 70 00:03:23,944 --> 00:03:26,384 Speaker 3: we are, of course talking about the film The Thursday 71 00:03:26,464 --> 00:03:28,944 Speaker 3: Murder Club. This is watch party, not read party, so 72 00:03:29,024 --> 00:03:31,144 Speaker 3: don't worry. Of course we'll touch a little bit on 73 00:03:31,184 --> 00:03:33,104 Speaker 3: the book, but then we are going full throttle on 74 00:03:33,184 --> 00:03:36,624 Speaker 3: all things the movie. Now, Courtney, Georgie, we have all 75 00:03:36,744 --> 00:03:39,464 Speaker 3: seen the film. We're going to dive into it the moment, 76 00:03:39,504 --> 00:03:41,144 Speaker 3: but I want to hear a one line review from 77 00:03:41,224 --> 00:03:45,744 Speaker 3: you both. I'll go first my review. It's delicious, It's delightful, 78 00:03:45,944 --> 00:03:46,864 Speaker 3: but I do have notes. 79 00:03:47,104 --> 00:03:49,784 Speaker 1: Doorgy. I'm going to use a big word. I'm gonna 80 00:03:49,784 --> 00:03:53,704 Speaker 1: call it a cozy masterpiece that absolutely lives up to 81 00:03:53,744 --> 00:03:54,064 Speaker 1: the book. 82 00:03:54,224 --> 00:03:55,464 Speaker 4: Masterpiece is a big word. 83 00:03:55,504 --> 00:03:57,224 Speaker 1: It's a big word, but I stand by it. I 84 00:03:57,264 --> 00:03:58,144 Speaker 1: thought you meant cozy. 85 00:03:58,224 --> 00:04:06,104 Speaker 4: Okay, yep, Courtney, Okay. Mine is my ideal retirement setup. Aspirational, aspirational, gosh, 86 00:04:06,184 --> 00:04:08,784 Speaker 4: I think I really need to start thinking about my superannuation. 87 00:04:09,144 --> 00:04:11,064 Speaker 1: That's like a big ad for soup, or it is 88 00:04:11,144 --> 00:04:11,624 Speaker 1: kind of. 89 00:04:11,744 --> 00:04:13,864 Speaker 4: I didn't think that's where this was going to go today. 90 00:04:14,064 --> 00:04:15,624 Speaker 3: If you're wondering what we're actually going to cover, in 91 00:04:15,624 --> 00:04:18,184 Speaker 3: this episode, Joorgy, what will we teach the people? 92 00:04:18,344 --> 00:04:20,504 Speaker 1: Okay? This episode is going to be filled with all 93 00:04:20,544 --> 00:04:22,824 Speaker 1: the facts that you want to know about this movie 94 00:04:23,064 --> 00:04:26,544 Speaker 1: and also the brilliant little Nepo relationship that you may 95 00:04:26,584 --> 00:04:29,144 Speaker 1: not have realized when you watched it. 96 00:04:29,184 --> 00:04:30,584 Speaker 5: Batue is Joyce? 97 00:04:30,864 --> 00:04:31,664 Speaker 6: Are you in us? 98 00:04:31,984 --> 00:04:35,224 Speaker 1: Bang on target? I'm Elizabeth? Would you take a look 99 00:04:35,224 --> 00:04:35,784 Speaker 1: at that for me? 100 00:04:35,864 --> 00:04:36,184 Speaker 4: Please? 101 00:04:37,424 --> 00:04:40,584 Speaker 5: God, TI's a lot of blood. Would you care to 102 00:04:40,704 --> 00:04:42,344 Speaker 5: join us to discuss things further? 103 00:04:42,944 --> 00:04:46,264 Speaker 1: Who is us? I'm sorry? How rude of me? With 104 00:04:46,464 --> 00:04:47,824 Speaker 1: a Thursday Murder Club? 105 00:04:48,144 --> 00:04:50,424 Speaker 4: Okay? So The Thursday Murder Club follows a group of 106 00:04:50,424 --> 00:04:53,664 Speaker 4: friends in a retirement home who gathered to solve murders 107 00:04:53,704 --> 00:04:56,704 Speaker 4: for fun. Like I said, this is my ideal retirement setup. 108 00:04:56,744 --> 00:04:58,784 Speaker 4: I hope I'm in some fun clubs like that and 109 00:04:58,824 --> 00:05:01,304 Speaker 4: living with some cool cats like they are in this film. 110 00:05:01,864 --> 00:05:04,464 Speaker 4: But what's really interesting is that they then find themselves 111 00:05:04,544 --> 00:05:06,984 Speaker 4: in a live case. So I want to know about 112 00:05:06,984 --> 00:05:09,064 Speaker 4: the law here first before we get really stuck in. 113 00:05:09,184 --> 00:05:11,664 Speaker 4: So how can we get clear on how this film 114 00:05:11,664 --> 00:05:12,104 Speaker 4: came about? 115 00:05:12,144 --> 00:05:14,384 Speaker 1: Georgie, I think to understand the Thursday Merder Club, you 116 00:05:14,384 --> 00:05:15,784 Speaker 1: need to understand Richard Osman. 117 00:05:16,064 --> 00:05:19,064 Speaker 4: Yes, I know Richard Osman from the rest Is Entertainment podcast, 118 00:05:19,144 --> 00:05:21,024 Speaker 4: but he's also done a bunch of other stuff. 119 00:05:21,104 --> 00:05:24,224 Speaker 1: Right, that is an excellent podcast. He's actually a TV exec, 120 00:05:24,584 --> 00:05:27,424 Speaker 1: so he created Deal or No Deal. What an awesome show, 121 00:05:27,504 --> 00:05:29,464 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. It's sort of like he gave 122 00:05:29,504 --> 00:05:31,784 Speaker 1: us Megan Markle because remember one of her first jobs 123 00:05:31,984 --> 00:05:33,504 Speaker 1: was opening the briefcases on that show. 124 00:05:33,544 --> 00:05:34,464 Speaker 4: I did not know that. 125 00:05:34,464 --> 00:05:36,744 Speaker 1: That is huge. He's also a TV host. He's a 126 00:05:36,744 --> 00:05:39,544 Speaker 1: panelist on all those sort of British entertainment comedy shows. 127 00:05:39,784 --> 00:05:41,944 Speaker 1: He actually was voted in the top ten most popular 128 00:05:41,984 --> 00:05:44,424 Speaker 1: British TV stars, which means if he was in Australia, 129 00:05:44,544 --> 00:05:46,904 Speaker 1: he would absolutely have a LOGI. He probably would have 130 00:05:46,904 --> 00:05:50,504 Speaker 1: a shelf of logis right. He's adored, He's really clever, 131 00:05:50,624 --> 00:05:53,584 Speaker 1: he's really interesting. I assume you would throw the word 132 00:05:53,704 --> 00:05:54,664 Speaker 1: national treasure in. 133 00:05:54,864 --> 00:05:57,464 Speaker 3: Richard Osman is such a national treasure that I now 134 00:05:57,504 --> 00:06:00,504 Speaker 3: in my TikTok algorithm am getting served like old clips 135 00:06:00,504 --> 00:06:03,224 Speaker 3: of Richard Osman game shows like Pointless and he's just 136 00:06:03,264 --> 00:06:04,024 Speaker 3: so charming. 137 00:06:04,464 --> 00:06:07,864 Speaker 1: So he created those shows and when he went to 138 00:06:07,904 --> 00:06:10,304 Speaker 1: pitch them, he and his co creator would sort of 139 00:06:10,384 --> 00:06:12,384 Speaker 1: act them out, you know, to try and get them commissioned. 140 00:06:12,624 --> 00:06:14,624 Speaker 1: At one of the shows, they said, this is so good. 141 00:06:14,744 --> 00:06:16,344 Speaker 1: You guys are the hosts, and that's how we got 142 00:06:16,344 --> 00:06:18,064 Speaker 1: into hosting. He's just behind the scenes guy. 143 00:06:18,384 --> 00:06:20,784 Speaker 3: So then what led him to making a book about 144 00:06:20,824 --> 00:06:22,904 Speaker 3: murder mysteries and a retirement home Because I feel like 145 00:06:22,944 --> 00:06:27,304 Speaker 3: the Entertainment TV two debut novel about crime Pipeline is 146 00:06:27,784 --> 00:06:28,384 Speaker 3: pretty long. 147 00:06:28,744 --> 00:06:31,224 Speaker 1: Well, a lot of British comedians have written books. I've 148 00:06:31,264 --> 00:06:33,344 Speaker 1: read a lot of them, some hits, some are missus. 149 00:06:34,024 --> 00:06:36,144 Speaker 1: The reason that he wrote this is because he was 150 00:06:36,184 --> 00:06:39,544 Speaker 1: going to visit his mum in a retirement community in Sussex. 151 00:06:39,864 --> 00:06:41,984 Speaker 1: He said it was surrounded by nature, it was really 152 00:06:42,024 --> 00:06:44,264 Speaker 1: beautiful and he started to think this would be a 153 00:06:44,264 --> 00:06:46,624 Speaker 1: great place for a murder. I'm serious that he actually 154 00:06:46,624 --> 00:06:48,744 Speaker 1: started to think this. More than this was a bunch 155 00:06:48,864 --> 00:06:51,384 Speaker 1: of interesting people, he said, everyone I spoke to this 156 00:06:51,424 --> 00:06:55,984 Speaker 1: retirement community had this amazing backstory but was probably underestimated 157 00:06:56,024 --> 00:06:59,064 Speaker 1: because of their age. So he thought, if something happened 158 00:06:59,064 --> 00:07:02,024 Speaker 1: and these people could band together sort of golden girl star, 159 00:07:02,784 --> 00:07:04,304 Speaker 1: maybe they could solve a crime. 160 00:07:04,664 --> 00:07:07,144 Speaker 4: So unassuming of a location to set this. 161 00:07:07,344 --> 00:07:09,784 Speaker 1: And so beautiful, right. And there's this line in the 162 00:07:09,784 --> 00:07:12,184 Speaker 1: movie That Saw Good that Ron says to einvent them 163 00:07:12,184 --> 00:07:15,064 Speaker 1: at the protest. He says, there's people here who've seen 164 00:07:15,264 --> 00:07:18,224 Speaker 1: off better men than you. We've got teachers and soldiers, 165 00:07:18,304 --> 00:07:21,064 Speaker 1: doctors and bankers. And I think that's so easy to 166 00:07:21,104 --> 00:07:24,264 Speaker 1: forget when you see elderly people that they've had these 167 00:07:24,304 --> 00:07:27,264 Speaker 1: amazing lives. There's probably so much wisdom there, but there's 168 00:07:27,304 --> 00:07:30,504 Speaker 1: also an element of invisibility there, and that's what makes 169 00:07:30,504 --> 00:07:31,344 Speaker 1: a book so interesting. 170 00:07:31,544 --> 00:07:33,784 Speaker 4: Georgie, why do you think this story means so much 171 00:07:33,824 --> 00:07:36,384 Speaker 4: to so many people and has such a dedicated fan base. 172 00:07:36,864 --> 00:07:40,144 Speaker 1: I think our news cycle has been bleak for a really, 173 00:07:40,224 --> 00:07:43,344 Speaker 1: really long time. This book came out, like Taylor said, 174 00:07:43,424 --> 00:07:46,264 Speaker 1: in September twenty twenty, remember what that time was like, 175 00:07:46,304 --> 00:07:48,504 Speaker 1: with all the sourdough and the Tiger King and stuff. 176 00:07:48,824 --> 00:07:51,384 Speaker 1: When we found things to clutch onto that made us 177 00:07:51,384 --> 00:07:54,984 Speaker 1: happy during that really difficult time, we held on with 178 00:07:55,064 --> 00:07:58,024 Speaker 1: two hands. And this really was one of these things, 179 00:07:58,144 --> 00:08:00,944 Speaker 1: and it created an amazing online community of Thursday Murder 180 00:08:00,984 --> 00:08:05,384 Speaker 1: Club fans became really really big in book clubs and 181 00:08:05,424 --> 00:08:08,064 Speaker 1: things like that. It's one of those books that I read, 182 00:08:08,464 --> 00:08:11,064 Speaker 1: and I felt this immediate sense of loss when it 183 00:08:11,104 --> 00:08:14,024 Speaker 1: was over, like I wasn't part of something anymore, and 184 00:08:14,064 --> 00:08:16,304 Speaker 1: I couldn't wait for the next book to come. I 185 00:08:16,424 --> 00:08:19,784 Speaker 1: just think it's a really, really joyful book. I think 186 00:08:19,824 --> 00:08:24,224 Speaker 1: it speaks beautifully about humanity and about human beings. It 187 00:08:24,304 --> 00:08:27,384 Speaker 1: seems like a really light read, but it actually is complex, 188 00:08:27,464 --> 00:08:29,624 Speaker 1: and it has so many layers. It's got like a 189 00:08:29,864 --> 00:08:32,464 Speaker 1: I suppose you'd call it like this deep emotional core. 190 00:08:32,584 --> 00:08:35,264 Speaker 1: I'm going deep here already. To me, the Thursday Murder 191 00:08:35,264 --> 00:08:37,704 Speaker 1: Club means a great deal to a great many people, 192 00:08:37,864 --> 00:08:39,944 Speaker 1: and I think that's why it's just such a special story. 193 00:08:40,064 --> 00:08:41,904 Speaker 3: We can end the podcast there, I reckon, I think. 194 00:08:43,424 --> 00:08:45,664 Speaker 3: But what I love specifically about The Thursday Murder Club 195 00:08:45,704 --> 00:08:47,504 Speaker 3: is that I am nowhere near that stage of life, 196 00:08:47,584 --> 00:08:49,184 Speaker 3: right like Courtney Georgie. 197 00:08:49,184 --> 00:08:51,304 Speaker 1: We're all a little bit further off from. 198 00:08:51,224 --> 00:08:54,704 Speaker 3: Retiring than like the people in this book, right, But 199 00:08:54,784 --> 00:08:58,344 Speaker 3: I still felt such a sense of connection and understanding 200 00:08:58,424 --> 00:09:01,264 Speaker 3: with these characters. Some of them, like we've mentioned already, 201 00:09:01,384 --> 00:09:02,024 Speaker 3: I have been. 202 00:09:02,024 --> 00:09:04,224 Speaker 4: Rendered as a little bit useless or. 203 00:09:04,224 --> 00:09:06,944 Speaker 3: Unassuming, or maybe even a little bit invisible at different 204 00:09:06,944 --> 00:09:08,744 Speaker 3: times in our lives. And we've all kind of felt 205 00:09:08,744 --> 00:09:12,344 Speaker 3: that way at one stage or another. There's great sadness 206 00:09:12,424 --> 00:09:13,504 Speaker 3: and great humor. 207 00:09:13,784 --> 00:09:17,184 Speaker 4: This is a book that I usually exclusively. 208 00:09:16,624 --> 00:09:19,464 Speaker 3: Will read nonfiction, like I'm a memoir kind of gal. 209 00:09:20,104 --> 00:09:23,904 Speaker 3: So reading Murder Mystery for me was pretty uncharted territory, 210 00:09:24,424 --> 00:09:28,104 Speaker 3: and I found myself at multiple points laughing out loud 211 00:09:28,144 --> 00:09:30,544 Speaker 3: and then at other points like really shedding a tear. 212 00:09:30,624 --> 00:09:32,784 Speaker 3: And and Georgie, there were multiple times that I called 213 00:09:32,824 --> 00:09:34,104 Speaker 3: you and I was like, I finished the book, I've 214 00:09:34,104 --> 00:09:36,064 Speaker 3: got to talk about this thing, or I can't believe 215 00:09:36,104 --> 00:09:38,104 Speaker 3: this thing just happened. I loved it, and I really 216 00:09:38,144 --> 00:09:39,624 Speaker 3: felt that way in the film as well, like there 217 00:09:39,624 --> 00:09:42,184 Speaker 3: were parts that I knew were coming up and anticipating 218 00:09:42,184 --> 00:09:43,904 Speaker 3: them and then were still laughing at them even though 219 00:09:43,944 --> 00:09:45,024 Speaker 3: I knew it was about to happen. 220 00:09:45,224 --> 00:09:47,304 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean as someone who hasn't read the book, 221 00:09:47,344 --> 00:09:49,544 Speaker 4: I had that experience watching it as well, Like there 222 00:09:49,544 --> 00:09:51,904 Speaker 4: were moments where I was genuinely crying and the other 223 00:09:51,944 --> 00:09:54,024 Speaker 4: bits where I was like giving a big guttural laugh 224 00:09:54,024 --> 00:09:56,824 Speaker 4: out loud. So yeah, I think it still hits even 225 00:09:56,864 --> 00:10:00,464 Speaker 4: though you know, I haven't waited into the novel itself. 226 00:10:00,704 --> 00:10:03,224 Speaker 4: I think it's it still translates for screen, but I'm 227 00:10:03,304 --> 00:10:05,544 Speaker 4: keen to read the book now, especially after hearing these 228 00:10:06,224 --> 00:10:08,064 Speaker 4: you know, this experience that you've both had. 229 00:10:08,584 --> 00:10:10,664 Speaker 1: I cried four times in the last big day minutes 230 00:10:10,704 --> 00:10:13,264 Speaker 1: about four different things. Yes, it's not even embarrassed. 231 00:10:13,384 --> 00:10:15,424 Speaker 4: Yeah, the last thirty minutes really got me. 232 00:10:15,744 --> 00:10:16,064 Speaker 1: Okay. 233 00:10:16,224 --> 00:10:18,664 Speaker 3: So the film is out today. It was a book 234 00:10:18,704 --> 00:10:20,664 Speaker 3: five years prior to that, though, So how did we 235 00:10:20,744 --> 00:10:21,704 Speaker 3: get to this place? 236 00:10:21,784 --> 00:10:23,464 Speaker 1: And also what is. 237 00:10:23,424 --> 00:10:25,744 Speaker 3: This casting controversy that I keep hearing about. I will 238 00:10:25,744 --> 00:10:27,824 Speaker 3: hear no slander about the people in this film, So 239 00:10:27,824 --> 00:10:30,024 Speaker 3: I'm very keen to unpack that up next. 240 00:10:31,584 --> 00:10:32,224 Speaker 1: Georgie. 241 00:10:32,384 --> 00:10:35,944 Speaker 3: Film to book adaptations, they don't just happen. I was 242 00:10:35,984 --> 00:10:38,344 Speaker 3: doing some research because, in case you guys missed and 243 00:10:38,384 --> 00:10:41,904 Speaker 3: I'm a journalist, Little Women was written in the eighteen hundreds, 244 00:10:41,904 --> 00:10:44,824 Speaker 3: and nearly fifty years later it ended up on screen 245 00:10:45,144 --> 00:10:48,464 Speaker 3: for the very first time. There's been many an adaptation. Now, 246 00:10:48,584 --> 00:10:50,904 Speaker 3: film adaptations are not always that long. I think Twilight 247 00:10:50,984 --> 00:10:54,464 Speaker 3: was like three years or something, but it is a process. Nonetheless, 248 00:10:55,064 --> 00:10:56,864 Speaker 3: lots of hands go into the pie when you were 249 00:10:56,904 --> 00:11:00,344 Speaker 3: doing a book to film adaptation, and you've also got 250 00:11:00,384 --> 00:11:02,224 Speaker 3: to get out there and then convince someone to make 251 00:11:02,264 --> 00:11:05,704 Speaker 3: it happen. That's not necessarily the path that Richard Osmond's 252 00:11:05,704 --> 00:11:08,504 Speaker 3: book took to making its way to Netflix. How did 253 00:11:08,504 --> 00:11:09,984 Speaker 3: that become a Netflix original? 254 00:11:10,384 --> 00:11:12,304 Speaker 1: I think this is really unique. I haven't heard of 255 00:11:12,304 --> 00:11:14,984 Speaker 1: this happening with any books before, so obviously this is 256 00:11:15,024 --> 00:11:19,184 Speaker 1: a joint production between Netflix and Steven Spielberg's production company, Amblin. 257 00:11:19,704 --> 00:11:22,864 Speaker 1: Amblin actually obtained the rights to this book before it 258 00:11:22,944 --> 00:11:27,024 Speaker 1: was published. Like this never happens, right. Normally agents would 259 00:11:27,024 --> 00:11:29,464 Speaker 1: discourage you doing this because they'd say, oh, okay, if 260 00:11:29,464 --> 00:11:31,664 Speaker 1: there's interest, let's try and get a bidding war happening 261 00:11:31,664 --> 00:11:33,904 Speaker 1: when it gets really popular. But I think when Stephen 262 00:11:33,984 --> 00:11:36,264 Speaker 1: Spielberg makes you an offer, you sort of go, it's 263 00:11:36,304 --> 00:11:38,904 Speaker 1: the best we're ever going to get, except you can 264 00:11:38,944 --> 00:11:40,664 Speaker 1: have anything you want? Do you reckon? 265 00:11:40,704 --> 00:11:44,184 Speaker 3: Richard Osmand's literary agent was just like Spielberg's on the line. 266 00:11:44,264 --> 00:11:47,464 Speaker 3: He's in, He's all in. Quickly finish the book quickly, Richard. 267 00:11:47,584 --> 00:11:49,704 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think when Steven Spielberg comes in, you just 268 00:11:49,704 --> 00:11:51,664 Speaker 1: sort of go, I'm in good hands, right, And it's 269 00:11:51,664 --> 00:11:54,264 Speaker 1: not just Steven Spielberg, it's Chris Columbus. So we know 270 00:11:54,384 --> 00:11:57,224 Speaker 1: him from How's this for a list? Home Alone, Missus, 271 00:11:57,304 --> 00:12:00,024 Speaker 1: Doubt Fire, the first two Harry Potter films. Basically my 272 00:12:00,224 --> 00:12:05,264 Speaker 1: entire DVD library, DVD Georgia, No, look it up, Taylor anyway. 273 00:12:05,304 --> 00:12:08,664 Speaker 1: So Chris Columbus was asked by Steven Spielberg, imagine being 274 00:12:08,664 --> 00:12:10,904 Speaker 1: on the phone for that call, to read this books, 275 00:12:10,904 --> 00:12:14,664 Speaker 1: and he said he became a Rabbit fanboy, join the club. 276 00:12:14,864 --> 00:12:18,464 Speaker 1: Chris Columbus, by all accounts, Chris Columbus is an absolute delight. 277 00:12:18,624 --> 00:12:20,384 Speaker 1: And do you know he caught the stars of this 278 00:12:20,464 --> 00:12:23,344 Speaker 1: movie the finest cast I have worked with since Potter? 279 00:12:23,744 --> 00:12:24,304 Speaker 2: What a call? 280 00:12:24,504 --> 00:12:25,144 Speaker 1: What about? 281 00:12:25,184 --> 00:12:25,264 Speaker 4: Like? 282 00:12:25,424 --> 00:12:28,784 Speaker 3: What a huge call? What a compliment? To be fair though, 283 00:12:29,184 --> 00:12:30,824 Speaker 3: the cast of this film it. 284 00:12:30,704 --> 00:12:33,504 Speaker 4: Is all star, but there's been controversy regardless. 285 00:12:33,784 --> 00:12:36,784 Speaker 1: Two names who are quite surprising, who were early rumors 286 00:12:36,784 --> 00:12:38,464 Speaker 1: of casting, who didn't get the role that I just 287 00:12:38,504 --> 00:12:42,944 Speaker 1: wanted to float by you lads. Thank Meryl Streep for Elizabeth. Look, 288 00:12:42,984 --> 00:12:46,464 Speaker 1: I'm assuming so she is American. She's not a joice, 289 00:12:46,624 --> 00:12:48,464 Speaker 1: she's not a joy. She'd have to be Elizabeth. The 290 00:12:48,504 --> 00:12:49,984 Speaker 1: other one, Viola Davis. 291 00:12:50,184 --> 00:12:52,064 Speaker 4: Wow, not a joy? 292 00:12:52,144 --> 00:12:52,544 Speaker 6: What a joy? 293 00:12:52,624 --> 00:12:54,464 Speaker 4: But I kind of love to see them play a 294 00:12:54,584 --> 00:12:56,704 Speaker 4: Joys guys. I'm very protective of Joys. 295 00:12:56,744 --> 00:12:58,784 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. Okay, let's talk about who. 296 00:12:58,624 --> 00:13:01,784 Speaker 4: Actually got the roles. We've got Helen Merren obviously, Oh. 297 00:13:01,944 --> 00:13:05,464 Speaker 1: We love absolutely heaven. She's who I pictured and I 298 00:13:05,504 --> 00:13:08,384 Speaker 1: read the book before she got cast. She's absolutely who 299 00:13:08,384 --> 00:13:10,744 Speaker 1: I pictured in this role. And there's a fantastic little 300 00:13:10,784 --> 00:13:13,104 Speaker 1: throw in the movie to her most famous role as 301 00:13:13,144 --> 00:13:14,264 Speaker 1: well as Elizabeth. 302 00:13:14,504 --> 00:13:17,984 Speaker 4: Wait what yes, Elizabeth has Elizabeth? You're right, Helen Meren 303 00:13:18,104 --> 00:13:21,544 Speaker 4: total baddie. One thing I observed is her agility. I 304 00:13:21,544 --> 00:13:23,104 Speaker 4: want to be able to run like that at eighty 305 00:13:23,344 --> 00:13:23,824 Speaker 4: me too. 306 00:13:24,344 --> 00:13:26,744 Speaker 3: There's a lot of fast paced movement in this film 307 00:13:26,784 --> 00:13:27,504 Speaker 3: for what is meant to. 308 00:13:27,464 --> 00:13:28,384 Speaker 4: Be a retirement home. 309 00:13:28,464 --> 00:13:28,664 Speaker 3: Yeah. 310 00:13:28,704 --> 00:13:30,384 Speaker 4: I was very impressed. I was like, she can run 311 00:13:30,424 --> 00:13:31,864 Speaker 4: better than me now and I'm thirty four. 312 00:13:32,704 --> 00:13:36,264 Speaker 1: There's a lot of pilates, acora, aerobics, Tai Chii happening there. 313 00:13:36,424 --> 00:13:38,944 Speaker 4: Very impressive. Then we've got Sir Ben Kingsley as the 314 00:13:39,024 --> 00:13:40,624 Speaker 4: ex psychiatrist Ibrahim. 315 00:13:40,824 --> 00:13:44,184 Speaker 1: Oh, what beautiful casting again someone I was sort of 316 00:13:44,224 --> 00:13:46,824 Speaker 1: picturing at the time. He's very wise, he's very stoic. 317 00:13:47,104 --> 00:13:49,104 Speaker 1: It actually seems like him as a person. Not that 318 00:13:49,184 --> 00:13:51,904 Speaker 1: I've ever met Sir Ben Kingsley, but feeling luck I have, 319 00:13:52,544 --> 00:13:54,504 Speaker 1: I really think he was probably playing a lovely version 320 00:13:54,544 --> 00:13:54,984 Speaker 1: of himself. 321 00:13:55,064 --> 00:13:56,424 Speaker 4: Taylor, do you want to talk us through Joyce? 322 00:13:56,464 --> 00:13:58,024 Speaker 3: Okay, I do want to talk you through Joyce. Thank 323 00:13:58,024 --> 00:14:00,424 Speaker 3: you so much for asking. Joyce is played by the 324 00:14:00,464 --> 00:14:03,784 Speaker 3: incredible Cilia Imri. Yes, Sylle Imri does have a very 325 00:14:03,784 --> 00:14:06,504 Speaker 3: special place in my heart, known for her most famous. 326 00:14:06,264 --> 00:14:08,824 Speaker 1: Role of Aunt Una on Bridge Jones. 327 00:14:08,984 --> 00:14:09,504 Speaker 4: Incredible. 328 00:14:09,704 --> 00:14:12,184 Speaker 3: No, that's the wrong answer of what do you mean? 329 00:14:12,344 --> 00:14:14,904 Speaker 3: That's where I know her from Tatsan Miikers Ball guys. 330 00:14:14,904 --> 00:14:17,304 Speaker 3: Come on, uncle Jeffrey for your heads Outia as I'm 331 00:14:17,304 --> 00:14:18,264 Speaker 3: talking about Calendar Girls. 332 00:14:18,264 --> 00:14:21,984 Speaker 4: Obviously I've seen Calendar Girls, but wow, what an iconic film. 333 00:14:22,104 --> 00:14:24,864 Speaker 4: So party's over, wrap it up, get out of here. 334 00:14:25,184 --> 00:14:26,104 Speaker 1: Yes, Calendar Girls. 335 00:14:26,144 --> 00:14:29,224 Speaker 3: Also, she was fantastic in the very Best Exotic Marrigold Hotel. 336 00:14:29,384 --> 00:14:31,664 Speaker 3: She reminds me so much of my grandma. Not that 337 00:14:31,704 --> 00:14:34,904 Speaker 3: my grandma ever posed for a nude calendar to save 338 00:14:34,904 --> 00:14:37,224 Speaker 3: her small country town, although if she did, I would 339 00:14:37,224 --> 00:14:39,464 Speaker 3: support her in doing so. That you know of, well, 340 00:14:39,544 --> 00:14:41,464 Speaker 3: that I know of she's lived a life like the 341 00:14:41,544 --> 00:14:43,464 Speaker 3: characters in The Thursday Murder Club. 342 00:14:43,744 --> 00:14:45,064 Speaker 1: Selia Imri is just this. 343 00:14:45,184 --> 00:14:49,264 Speaker 3: Really wholesome, joyous, like beam of sunshine and hope and positivity, 344 00:14:49,784 --> 00:14:51,824 Speaker 3: and I think that she really brings that to this 345 00:14:51,864 --> 00:14:52,664 Speaker 3: film as well. 346 00:14:52,984 --> 00:14:55,064 Speaker 1: I love that. I think she was perfectly cast a 347 00:14:55,144 --> 00:14:56,184 Speaker 1: plus ten out of ten. 348 00:14:56,304 --> 00:14:58,664 Speaker 4: She has a lot of nuance as well in her character. 349 00:14:58,744 --> 00:15:00,304 Speaker 4: I saw. I feel like, you know, she comes in 350 00:15:00,384 --> 00:15:04,264 Speaker 4: quite underestimated. She's trying to stand out on her own 351 00:15:04,304 --> 00:15:07,344 Speaker 4: against her daughter, and then she's also coming into this 352 00:15:07,464 --> 00:15:09,904 Speaker 4: click that exists of the Thursday Murder Club, and she's 353 00:15:09,904 --> 00:15:12,544 Speaker 4: an outside but she brings so much warmth and kind 354 00:15:12,544 --> 00:15:13,824 Speaker 4: of connects them in this new way. 355 00:15:14,024 --> 00:15:15,624 Speaker 3: I love that you can be in your seventies or 356 00:15:15,664 --> 00:15:17,064 Speaker 3: eighties and still be the new kid. 357 00:15:16,944 --> 00:15:17,384 Speaker 4: On the block. 358 00:15:17,784 --> 00:15:20,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, it never ends, doesn't. And it's such an important 359 00:15:20,584 --> 00:15:22,864 Speaker 1: role as well because the book is mainly told through 360 00:15:22,944 --> 00:15:25,344 Speaker 1: Joyce's diary completely, so you need to make sure you 361 00:15:25,384 --> 00:15:26,624 Speaker 1: cast that well, and I think they did. 362 00:15:26,824 --> 00:15:28,904 Speaker 4: Okay, I can see why you're so protective of Joyce 363 00:15:28,944 --> 00:15:31,304 Speaker 4: now knowing that the book is written from that perspective. 364 00:15:31,944 --> 00:15:32,784 Speaker 4: I'm taking notes. 365 00:15:32,904 --> 00:15:33,224 Speaker 1: Okay. 366 00:15:33,744 --> 00:15:36,824 Speaker 3: The final one Pierce Brosnan, we have to brace Georgy. 367 00:15:37,224 --> 00:15:40,104 Speaker 1: I don't think you have to brace I loved Pierce 368 00:15:40,144 --> 00:15:43,784 Speaker 1: Brosnan as Ron. Now in the book Caught, he's described 369 00:15:43,864 --> 00:15:47,104 Speaker 1: as having a neck tattoo and being like a really 370 00:15:47,384 --> 00:15:51,104 Speaker 1: sort of rough former trade unionist. He was fancast as 371 00:15:51,144 --> 00:15:52,504 Speaker 1: being played by Ray Winston. 372 00:15:52,624 --> 00:15:54,584 Speaker 4: Oh, I like that. I can see that for sure. 373 00:15:55,064 --> 00:15:57,384 Speaker 1: So there was a lot of controversy, and you know why, 374 00:15:57,424 --> 00:16:00,224 Speaker 1: it's because Pierce Brosnan is so hot. I feel its 375 00:16:00,264 --> 00:16:04,144 Speaker 1: hottest to have controversy about him because he's a fantastic actor. 376 00:16:04,184 --> 00:16:05,584 Speaker 1: He was so good as Ron. 377 00:16:05,904 --> 00:16:08,024 Speaker 4: He was great. I loved watching him on screen. 378 00:16:08,184 --> 00:16:10,064 Speaker 1: He's getting hotter as well, isn't He's. 379 00:16:09,824 --> 00:16:11,824 Speaker 4: Got great hair. That's what I'll say, guys. 380 00:16:12,184 --> 00:16:14,424 Speaker 1: He did a great job as Ron. Was he read 381 00:16:14,544 --> 00:16:15,144 Speaker 1: Ron Richie? 382 00:16:15,184 --> 00:16:15,384 Speaker 5: Though? 383 00:16:15,624 --> 00:16:19,224 Speaker 3: Was he the rough and tumble unionist from years gone 384 00:16:19,224 --> 00:16:22,304 Speaker 3: by that led the troops that walked off building sites 385 00:16:22,344 --> 00:16:25,544 Speaker 3: that probably owned a dead and vest or three. I'm 386 00:16:25,544 --> 00:16:26,384 Speaker 3: not convinced. 387 00:16:26,464 --> 00:16:27,064 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. 388 00:16:27,184 --> 00:16:29,704 Speaker 3: I loved watching him like it's Pierce freaking Brosnan. Of 389 00:16:29,704 --> 00:16:31,904 Speaker 3: course he's gonna be good in whatever he does. But 390 00:16:32,024 --> 00:16:35,424 Speaker 3: I do think that somebody else probably should have played Ron. Well. 391 00:16:35,464 --> 00:16:37,384 Speaker 1: I went back to the source for this to look 392 00:16:37,464 --> 00:16:40,064 Speaker 1: up what Richard Osmond said about it, and I love 393 00:16:40,144 --> 00:16:43,104 Speaker 1: this so much. He said, Pierce Brosnan is who Ron 394 00:16:43,144 --> 00:16:44,584 Speaker 1: would want to play Ron. 395 00:16:47,584 --> 00:16:47,944 Speaker 4: Spot On. 396 00:16:48,024 --> 00:16:49,944 Speaker 1: And you know what, you haven't lived until you've seen 397 00:16:49,984 --> 00:16:54,264 Speaker 1: Pierce Brosnan doing aqua aerobics to Disco Inferno. I've ever 398 00:16:54,304 --> 00:16:57,424 Speaker 1: seen the joy on that man's face. I think he 399 00:16:57,504 --> 00:17:00,264 Speaker 1: was just terrific. Look, there's been controversy about his accent, 400 00:17:00,384 --> 00:17:03,384 Speaker 1: saying he sort of ducked and dived all over Europe 401 00:17:03,424 --> 00:17:05,624 Speaker 1: with that accent. I thought he did a really good job. 402 00:17:05,784 --> 00:17:08,304 Speaker 1: He just looks like he's having fun in every role 403 00:17:08,344 --> 00:17:10,344 Speaker 1: he plays. At this stage of his career, he is 404 00:17:10,464 --> 00:17:10,864 Speaker 1: having fun. 405 00:17:10,904 --> 00:17:13,424 Speaker 4: And I also think, you know, maybe he didn't come 406 00:17:13,464 --> 00:17:16,184 Speaker 4: across as this rough and tumble character that the book 407 00:17:16,184 --> 00:17:18,824 Speaker 4: portrays and guilty haven't read the book, but when I 408 00:17:18,904 --> 00:17:22,624 Speaker 4: was just watching it purely as an observer of the film, 409 00:17:22,864 --> 00:17:26,024 Speaker 4: I saw his wealthy son with TV money and I went, 410 00:17:26,184 --> 00:17:28,864 Speaker 4: he's in his wealthy era. His son is paying for 411 00:17:28,904 --> 00:17:31,384 Speaker 4: this fancy retirement village for him, and he gets to 412 00:17:31,464 --> 00:17:34,944 Speaker 4: like live out his twilight years around rich people. 413 00:17:35,024 --> 00:17:37,224 Speaker 3: You're so like you're bang on with that ride, because 414 00:17:37,224 --> 00:17:38,584 Speaker 3: the more I thought about it, I was like, oh, 415 00:17:38,624 --> 00:17:40,544 Speaker 3: there's other people that I would have cast in this role. 416 00:17:40,544 --> 00:17:43,264 Speaker 3: But I'm like, he's been a very wealthy retirement home. 417 00:17:43,344 --> 00:17:46,024 Speaker 3: Like he may have like at one stage had a 418 00:17:46,064 --> 00:17:48,624 Speaker 3: neck tattoo and nectar pine into the pub and put 419 00:17:48,664 --> 00:17:51,464 Speaker 3: it away, But I'm pretty sure like he has at 420 00:17:51,504 --> 00:17:53,664 Speaker 3: some stage in his life polished up and is now 421 00:17:53,744 --> 00:17:56,264 Speaker 3: like in his twilight years and is enjoying them in 422 00:17:56,304 --> 00:17:57,504 Speaker 3: a very luxurious setting. 423 00:17:57,624 --> 00:17:59,584 Speaker 1: Total is dancing on ice money There isn't there? 424 00:18:00,304 --> 00:18:03,304 Speaker 3: Sure is speaking of a couple of honorable mentions to 425 00:18:03,344 --> 00:18:05,464 Speaker 3: other people who've been cast in this film. Now I 426 00:18:05,464 --> 00:18:06,904 Speaker 3: feel like we are going to get a war over 427 00:18:07,144 --> 00:18:10,544 Speaker 3: Jason Ritchie, who is Ron's son played by Tom Ellis. 428 00:18:10,864 --> 00:18:13,784 Speaker 3: You've got strong feelings about this, so do I let's 429 00:18:13,824 --> 00:18:14,584 Speaker 3: have it out come on. 430 00:18:14,664 --> 00:18:18,224 Speaker 1: Wrong lusty feeling. He was gorgeous. I loved him. He's 431 00:18:18,344 --> 00:18:20,824 Speaker 1: exactly how I pictured Jason Richie to be. I actually 432 00:18:20,824 --> 00:18:23,104 Speaker 1: hadn't seen Tom Ellison things, which I'm told by a 433 00:18:23,104 --> 00:18:26,144 Speaker 1: producer is sacrilegious because he was lucifer. But I thought 434 00:18:26,144 --> 00:18:27,024 Speaker 1: he was really good. 435 00:18:27,264 --> 00:18:28,144 Speaker 4: Was it ice skates. 436 00:18:28,504 --> 00:18:31,024 Speaker 1: You know what did it for you? I think a 437 00:18:31,064 --> 00:18:33,744 Speaker 1: man who can dance on ice? How clever is it? 438 00:18:33,744 --> 00:18:37,464 Speaker 3: Because he was somewhat partially fake related to Pierce Frosman, 439 00:18:37,984 --> 00:18:38,224 Speaker 3: it was. 440 00:18:38,224 --> 00:18:40,304 Speaker 1: A very good looking duo. I was sort of attracted 441 00:18:40,304 --> 00:18:42,824 Speaker 1: to father and son. That's a problem with him. 442 00:18:43,144 --> 00:18:46,464 Speaker 3: He just wasn't hot enough. Oh okay, there was not 443 00:18:46,624 --> 00:18:48,424 Speaker 3: enough sex of hell and I'm so sorry. But I 444 00:18:48,504 --> 00:18:51,624 Speaker 3: do have a replacement in mind. If they want to 445 00:18:51,664 --> 00:18:54,184 Speaker 3: recast this role going forward, I think that would be, okay, 446 00:18:54,544 --> 00:18:58,584 Speaker 3: THEO James, the White Lotus and the Gentleman. That's who 447 00:18:58,624 --> 00:19:00,704 Speaker 3: I want to be a boxer turned ice skater. 448 00:19:00,864 --> 00:19:01,784 Speaker 1: It's THEO James. 449 00:19:01,864 --> 00:19:03,744 Speaker 4: I don't know if THEO James is tough enough. 450 00:19:03,864 --> 00:19:05,024 Speaker 3: Have you seen The Gentleman? 451 00:19:05,504 --> 00:19:06,344 Speaker 4: No, but I took. 452 00:19:06,224 --> 00:19:08,184 Speaker 1: Lady Mary's virginity in Downton as well. 453 00:19:08,224 --> 00:19:10,344 Speaker 4: WHOA, Okay, that sounds pretty tough. 454 00:19:10,344 --> 00:19:12,224 Speaker 1: He's got range, is what we're saying, Corney. Okay. 455 00:19:12,264 --> 00:19:14,104 Speaker 4: I just think of him in White Lotus, where he 456 00:19:14,224 --> 00:19:16,624 Speaker 4: just comes across as like a bit too scrubbed up 457 00:19:16,624 --> 00:19:17,904 Speaker 4: for me? Do you know what I mean? 458 00:19:18,224 --> 00:19:18,544 Speaker 1: I do? 459 00:19:18,584 --> 00:19:21,184 Speaker 3: But then in The Gentleman he is running a drug ring. 460 00:19:21,224 --> 00:19:23,184 Speaker 4: Okay, I need to watch that. Obviously, grab some dirt 461 00:19:23,224 --> 00:19:24,784 Speaker 4: on your face and get on with it. He's got range. 462 00:19:24,824 --> 00:19:25,704 Speaker 1: He's got range. Copy. 463 00:19:26,104 --> 00:19:28,144 Speaker 3: Also, we also have to take a moment to talk 464 00:19:28,184 --> 00:19:33,024 Speaker 3: about bogged Down aka Henry Lloyd Hughes now famous author. 465 00:19:33,184 --> 00:19:34,224 Speaker 1: Marian Keyes is. 466 00:19:34,184 --> 00:19:37,864 Speaker 3: Like completely obsessed with bog Dwan, like outwardly unashamably, and 467 00:19:37,904 --> 00:19:40,504 Speaker 3: I get it because he's just like this sweet Polish 468 00:19:40,504 --> 00:19:42,184 Speaker 3: man and I love him, and he tried to do 469 00:19:42,224 --> 00:19:42,744 Speaker 3: the right thing. 470 00:19:43,184 --> 00:19:46,744 Speaker 1: He is such a lovely character. If I have any 471 00:19:46,744 --> 00:19:48,904 Speaker 1: criticism of the movie, I don't think the movie does 472 00:19:48,944 --> 00:19:51,784 Speaker 1: the character of Bogdan justice. I know they didn't have 473 00:19:51,824 --> 00:19:55,024 Speaker 1: the time that the book does. He's just so beautiful. 474 00:19:55,344 --> 00:19:57,504 Speaker 1: Like the scene we meet him, he's sitting down for 475 00:19:57,544 --> 00:20:00,344 Speaker 1: a coffee with David Tennant. The waitress comes over and 476 00:20:00,344 --> 00:20:02,984 Speaker 1: gives David Tennant his coffee and bog Dan goes thanks, 477 00:20:03,224 --> 00:20:06,424 Speaker 1: because David Tennant's character doesn't even say thanks to waitresses, 478 00:20:06,624 --> 00:20:09,064 Speaker 1: So you know he's a baddie from the first scene. 479 00:20:09,264 --> 00:20:11,384 Speaker 4: Absolutely, if you're rooted to wait stuff, that's a dead 480 00:20:11,424 --> 00:20:13,624 Speaker 4: givel out of my face. Yeah, you kind of deserved 481 00:20:13,624 --> 00:20:14,264 Speaker 4: to be murdered. 482 00:20:14,344 --> 00:20:15,464 Speaker 1: Oh, no, I can't say that. 483 00:20:17,664 --> 00:20:17,704 Speaker 6: You. 484 00:20:19,104 --> 00:20:23,744 Speaker 3: Also, speaking of baddies, Richardy Grant aka Bobby Tanner, Oh, 485 00:20:23,824 --> 00:20:26,624 Speaker 3: say gosh, I was not expecting him to be as 486 00:20:26,784 --> 00:20:29,464 Speaker 3: terrifying as he was in this film, Like thank god 487 00:20:29,504 --> 00:20:32,024 Speaker 3: that he was positioned in a flories because I'm not 488 00:20:32,064 --> 00:20:34,744 Speaker 3: convinced that there would be any living things thriving around 489 00:20:34,744 --> 00:20:35,064 Speaker 3: this man. 490 00:20:35,144 --> 00:20:37,064 Speaker 1: Because his energy was so dark. 491 00:20:37,344 --> 00:20:39,704 Speaker 4: It was so amazing, and just like the visual of 492 00:20:40,104 --> 00:20:42,704 Speaker 4: the red roses and the blood on his hands and 493 00:20:42,744 --> 00:20:44,464 Speaker 4: the thorns, it was so delicious. 494 00:20:44,984 --> 00:20:47,384 Speaker 3: JOGGI you famously you don't like horror films. You don't 495 00:20:47,424 --> 00:20:50,064 Speaker 3: like scary things in general. Were you scared of Bobby Tanner? 496 00:20:50,424 --> 00:20:52,824 Speaker 1: No, I was more scared of Elizabeth being followed by 497 00:20:52,864 --> 00:20:54,024 Speaker 1: a man in a graveyard. 498 00:20:54,784 --> 00:20:55,784 Speaker 4: Yes, that's a real fear. 499 00:20:55,864 --> 00:20:58,344 Speaker 1: But I thought Richard Ingrat was just wonderful. I didn't 500 00:20:58,384 --> 00:21:01,024 Speaker 1: realize flories were covered with so much blood so often, 501 00:21:01,064 --> 00:21:02,624 Speaker 1: but I thought he was really wonderful. 502 00:21:02,704 --> 00:21:04,824 Speaker 3: Also, just very quickly, I wrote myself a note that 503 00:21:04,864 --> 00:21:06,824 Speaker 3: I have to share with the group. Note from me 504 00:21:06,904 --> 00:21:10,464 Speaker 3: while watching the film. Sorry, Tony Kurran looks like he 505 00:21:10,504 --> 00:21:13,264 Speaker 3: should be a resident in Cooper's Chase. Dot dot dot 506 00:21:13,344 --> 00:21:17,424 Speaker 3: WTF too old the partial owner of Cooper's Chase, who 507 00:21:17,424 --> 00:21:20,264 Speaker 3: does die? Tony Curran, who is the resident's last hope 508 00:21:20,264 --> 00:21:22,824 Speaker 3: of keeping their home before it gets knocked down for 509 00:21:22,864 --> 00:21:25,864 Speaker 3: development by the invent them. He was too old, Like 510 00:21:25,904 --> 00:21:27,584 Speaker 3: he looked like he was meant to live there. 511 00:21:27,704 --> 00:21:30,104 Speaker 1: He sort of looked like how Ron was in the books. 512 00:21:30,504 --> 00:21:33,824 Speaker 1: Maybe he auditioned for that, maybe consolation prize. If you're 513 00:21:33,864 --> 00:21:36,024 Speaker 1: gonna lose, lose to Pierce Brosnan. Now do you want 514 00:21:36,024 --> 00:21:37,024 Speaker 1: to know my nepo fact? 515 00:21:37,144 --> 00:21:39,104 Speaker 4: Yes, I'm dying to know Georgy Plice. 516 00:21:39,224 --> 00:21:41,864 Speaker 1: I love Ano and we know Joanna, who is Joyce's daughter. 517 00:21:42,504 --> 00:21:45,784 Speaker 1: Joanna is played by Ingrid Oliver, who is Richard Osmond's 518 00:21:45,904 --> 00:21:46,744 Speaker 1: real life wife. 519 00:21:46,944 --> 00:21:47,584 Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa. 520 00:21:48,184 --> 00:21:51,904 Speaker 1: I love nepotism in movies because do you just always 521 00:21:51,944 --> 00:21:54,864 Speaker 1: second screen everything you're watching because you're on Internet movie 522 00:21:54,944 --> 00:21:56,944 Speaker 1: database looking up the facts. I just want to know 523 00:21:56,984 --> 00:21:59,224 Speaker 1: who everyone is in a relationship with, Like it just 524 00:21:59,264 --> 00:22:01,344 Speaker 1: makes me feel better if I'm watching something with my husband, 525 00:22:01,344 --> 00:22:03,584 Speaker 1: to interrupt an important moment and go, do you know 526 00:22:03,624 --> 00:22:05,824 Speaker 1: that this just divorced someone from the first series of 527 00:22:05,864 --> 00:22:10,744 Speaker 1: Nano to or watch movies in the exact same way 528 00:22:10,744 --> 00:22:13,904 Speaker 1: for everyone around us. But Ingrid Oliver is an actress. 529 00:22:13,904 --> 00:22:15,784 Speaker 1: She's not just someone bought in off the street. She 530 00:22:15,904 --> 00:22:18,944 Speaker 1: was in Doctor Who, and she's really greatest Joanna, actually 531 00:22:19,224 --> 00:22:19,584 Speaker 1: she does. 532 00:22:19,584 --> 00:22:22,384 Speaker 3: She plays that part of like distant daughter who kind 533 00:22:22,384 --> 00:22:24,824 Speaker 3: of has her own thing going on very well. Okay, 534 00:22:24,824 --> 00:22:27,424 Speaker 3: so on the way next, there was one thing that 535 00:22:27,584 --> 00:22:29,824 Speaker 3: was definitely on all three of our minds while watching 536 00:22:29,824 --> 00:22:32,224 Speaker 3: this film, and we reckon it was probably on your 537 00:22:32,224 --> 00:22:35,744 Speaker 3: mind too, So we must discuss plus what is next 538 00:22:35,744 --> 00:22:38,544 Speaker 3: with a Thursday Murder Club. Luckily Georgie has all the 539 00:22:38,584 --> 00:22:42,104 Speaker 3: goss so I feel like one of the things that 540 00:22:42,224 --> 00:22:44,704 Speaker 3: keeps balancing around and we talk about the Thursday Murder 541 00:22:44,704 --> 00:22:47,584 Speaker 3: Club is age is at the center of this story. Like, yes, 542 00:22:47,624 --> 00:22:49,904 Speaker 3: there are murders, obviously because it's a murder mystery, but 543 00:22:49,944 --> 00:22:52,464 Speaker 3: like aging and the way that aging is portrayed and 544 00:22:52,584 --> 00:22:55,024 Speaker 3: played out on screen is one of the big main 545 00:22:55,064 --> 00:22:58,544 Speaker 3: anchor points for when people critique and talk about this film. 546 00:22:58,864 --> 00:23:01,144 Speaker 3: And I feel like it's done in such a clever way, 547 00:23:01,224 --> 00:23:03,544 Speaker 3: like we're set up to undermine these people from the 548 00:23:03,544 --> 00:23:07,144 Speaker 3: get go, right like the cops, their families, in Ventham 549 00:23:07,264 --> 00:23:10,144 Speaker 3: underestimates them because they're old, maybe like they're a little 550 00:23:10,144 --> 00:23:12,264 Speaker 3: bit useless and they're unable to keep up with these 551 00:23:12,304 --> 00:23:16,424 Speaker 3: modern times. But it also feels that that's their greatest superpower, Georgie. 552 00:23:16,704 --> 00:23:20,024 Speaker 1: Yet they love those ageous tropes, don't They like the 553 00:23:20,104 --> 00:23:22,944 Speaker 1: confusion when Ron pretends to the police officer that he 554 00:23:22,944 --> 00:23:25,184 Speaker 1: has no idea what's going on, and the helplessness, like 555 00:23:25,184 --> 00:23:27,584 Speaker 1: you said, when she goes to the police. They'll happily 556 00:23:27,664 --> 00:23:29,664 Speaker 1: play into them when needed, and I hope I do 557 00:23:29,704 --> 00:23:32,144 Speaker 1: the same at their age. I think it's really clever 558 00:23:32,264 --> 00:23:34,944 Speaker 1: that they get our generalizations and throw them back in 559 00:23:35,024 --> 00:23:35,864 Speaker 1: our faces like that. 560 00:23:36,344 --> 00:23:38,104 Speaker 3: It's exactly like what you were saying before as well, 561 00:23:38,104 --> 00:23:41,584 Speaker 3: like these are all people who have lived very interesting lives, 562 00:23:41,624 --> 00:23:44,264 Speaker 3: like Ibrahim was a psychiatrist, and they've all sort of 563 00:23:44,264 --> 00:23:47,504 Speaker 3: acquired these useful skills that end up making them kind 564 00:23:47,504 --> 00:23:51,344 Speaker 3: of like the perfect murder mystery team. It's never explicitly 565 00:23:51,424 --> 00:23:53,984 Speaker 3: stated in the book, but it isn't the film, Courtney, 566 00:23:53,984 --> 00:23:56,504 Speaker 3: And I wonder how you feel about this, Elizabeth. It's 567 00:23:56,784 --> 00:23:59,104 Speaker 3: a known fact that she was like basically the head 568 00:23:59,104 --> 00:24:00,904 Speaker 3: of MI six at one point in her career. 569 00:24:01,144 --> 00:24:04,824 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's huge, like imagine just wandering around your regular 570 00:24:04,864 --> 00:24:07,624 Speaker 4: workplace knowing that someone used to be like this crazy, 571 00:24:07,744 --> 00:24:08,424 Speaker 4: amazing spa. 572 00:24:08,864 --> 00:24:10,704 Speaker 1: She was like a super spot. She wasn't just us by, 573 00:24:10,824 --> 00:24:11,544 Speaker 1: she was thus By. 574 00:24:11,784 --> 00:24:12,904 Speaker 4: Yeah, she was the big dog. 575 00:24:13,104 --> 00:24:15,264 Speaker 3: If you were going to solve murders with somebody, I 576 00:24:15,304 --> 00:24:17,144 Speaker 3: reckon that's someone you'd want to have on your team. 577 00:24:17,424 --> 00:24:21,024 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I think it's just a really clever way that, 578 00:24:21,504 --> 00:24:24,304 Speaker 4: as you say, Georgie, they play into these generalizations and 579 00:24:24,344 --> 00:24:26,624 Speaker 4: it allows them to be a bit undercover in their 580 00:24:26,664 --> 00:24:32,184 Speaker 4: own clever, really intelligent way and subvert what everyone's assuming 581 00:24:32,184 --> 00:24:32,504 Speaker 4: of them. 582 00:24:32,784 --> 00:24:35,384 Speaker 3: I completely agree with you. There's actually this one really 583 00:24:35,384 --> 00:24:37,224 Speaker 3: great scene. It was one of my favorite parts from 584 00:24:37,224 --> 00:24:40,024 Speaker 3: the film, where they go into town and Elizabeth and 585 00:24:40,104 --> 00:24:43,264 Speaker 3: Joyce are like hatching their plot to speak to Donna. 586 00:24:43,344 --> 00:24:45,184 Speaker 3: But to do that, they've got to get past the 587 00:24:45,224 --> 00:24:47,984 Speaker 3: police officer at the front gate, and they do that 588 00:24:48,064 --> 00:24:49,464 Speaker 3: thing that they do so well. 589 00:24:49,504 --> 00:24:52,304 Speaker 4: They act like silly, batty old ladies. 590 00:24:52,864 --> 00:24:56,264 Speaker 6: Young man, young man, please help me by my bag's 591 00:24:56,384 --> 00:25:00,264 Speaker 6: just start oh type marks and Spencer's yes, yes, marks, 592 00:25:00,304 --> 00:25:05,504 Speaker 6: and Spencer's my pension, oh my cash everything else? Please help? 593 00:25:06,224 --> 00:25:08,784 Speaker 1: Yes? Of course, of course, let me take your details. 594 00:25:09,304 --> 00:25:11,384 Speaker 6: No, no, I've I want to see her female. 595 00:25:11,464 --> 00:25:12,304 Speaker 1: Please constantly. 596 00:25:12,464 --> 00:25:13,144 Speaker 6: I promise you. 597 00:25:13,304 --> 00:25:16,064 Speaker 1: I'm fully qualified and have a very gentle temperament. 598 00:25:16,184 --> 00:25:18,464 Speaker 5: No, it has to be a woman, but she's a nun. 599 00:25:19,024 --> 00:25:22,184 Speaker 1: I love that scene. I think it's played beautifully to 600 00:25:22,224 --> 00:25:25,064 Speaker 1: comic effect. Another thing that I really love. Don't you 601 00:25:25,064 --> 00:25:27,504 Speaker 1: feel like every decade of your life you get a 602 00:25:27,504 --> 00:25:29,704 Speaker 1: little bit closer to that sort of like I'm going 603 00:25:29,744 --> 00:25:31,624 Speaker 1: to do what I want when I want to do it. 604 00:25:31,624 --> 00:25:34,344 Speaker 1: It looks so freeing and I can't wait to be 605 00:25:34,384 --> 00:25:34,904 Speaker 1: their age. 606 00:25:35,024 --> 00:25:37,384 Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like every decade you just give less. Fox, 607 00:25:37,424 --> 00:25:40,544 Speaker 4: You're like, well, time is finite, It's precious. I'm just 608 00:25:40,584 --> 00:25:43,784 Speaker 4: gonna be honest. Water aerobics. I'm just going to paint 609 00:25:43,944 --> 00:25:46,744 Speaker 4: this man's penis into the painting, even though he's got 610 00:25:47,024 --> 00:25:51,144 Speaker 4: a thingy on what's it called a bandana following cloth. 611 00:25:51,344 --> 00:25:52,504 Speaker 1: Paint that penis. 612 00:25:52,184 --> 00:25:54,464 Speaker 3: Into the picture. Why the words have never been spoken? 613 00:25:54,584 --> 00:25:57,184 Speaker 3: Thank you, Courtney Amnhauser. There's another point that I want 614 00:25:57,224 --> 00:25:59,544 Speaker 3: to touch on when it comes to the idea of aging, 615 00:25:59,624 --> 00:26:03,704 Speaker 3: and there's a real care and tenderness in how these 616 00:26:03,744 --> 00:26:04,904 Speaker 3: relationships between. 617 00:26:04,664 --> 00:26:05,824 Speaker 1: These characters play out. 618 00:26:06,344 --> 00:26:08,864 Speaker 3: Joyce for instance, and I'm always going to make Joyce 619 00:26:08,864 --> 00:26:11,144 Speaker 3: I love Joyce in case that wasn't apparent. I think 620 00:26:11,184 --> 00:26:14,464 Speaker 3: it's really honest, and I think, unfortunately, for a lot 621 00:26:14,464 --> 00:26:17,504 Speaker 3: of people, will be quite relatable the relationship between her 622 00:26:17,584 --> 00:26:21,544 Speaker 3: and her daughter Joanna. Like she's constantly seeking approval from Joanna. 623 00:26:21,624 --> 00:26:23,064 Speaker 1: She just wants to spend time with her. 624 00:26:23,184 --> 00:26:25,704 Speaker 3: Joanna's got her own thing going on in the city, 625 00:26:25,944 --> 00:26:28,304 Speaker 3: and although we don't see too much of their relationship 626 00:26:28,384 --> 00:26:30,704 Speaker 3: in the film, the parts that we do see really 627 00:26:30,784 --> 00:26:34,584 Speaker 3: surmise that idea of well, she's getting older, she's not 628 00:26:34,784 --> 00:26:37,184 Speaker 3: needed as much as she probably once was as a 629 00:26:37,264 --> 00:26:39,344 Speaker 3: mum and a nurse and a caregiver to her family. 630 00:26:39,824 --> 00:26:42,504 Speaker 1: I think that is a really tricky relationship to watch, 631 00:26:42,544 --> 00:26:46,424 Speaker 1: and they portrayed it really well because Joyce's daughter doesn't 632 00:26:46,504 --> 00:26:49,344 Speaker 1: visit her enough, and I think that makes me feel 633 00:26:49,344 --> 00:26:51,824 Speaker 1: guilty about family members of mine. I think it makes 634 00:26:51,864 --> 00:26:54,824 Speaker 1: a lot of people go, what time are we wasting 635 00:26:54,904 --> 00:26:57,584 Speaker 1: with the people that we love. It's actually really quite 636 00:26:57,584 --> 00:26:58,344 Speaker 1: difficult to watch. 637 00:26:58,424 --> 00:27:00,544 Speaker 3: But we talk about the Sandwich generation a lot, right, 638 00:27:00,544 --> 00:27:02,504 Speaker 3: and I feel like we're seeing that play out in 639 00:27:02,584 --> 00:27:05,584 Speaker 3: real time here because Joanna, although she doesn't have a 640 00:27:05,624 --> 00:27:07,504 Speaker 3: family of her own. She's got a life going on 641 00:27:07,904 --> 00:27:09,704 Speaker 3: in one part of the country, her mum is in 642 00:27:09,744 --> 00:27:11,984 Speaker 3: the other part, and getting that balancing act right, Like 643 00:27:12,024 --> 00:27:15,264 Speaker 3: you said, Georgie is something that people really reconcile with 644 00:27:15,264 --> 00:27:16,944 Speaker 3: of how to actually do that correctly. 645 00:27:17,384 --> 00:27:19,464 Speaker 1: Yeah. With all the sort of fun and light sides 646 00:27:19,464 --> 00:27:21,784 Speaker 1: of aging that they show, they show all the serious 647 00:27:21,784 --> 00:27:22,344 Speaker 1: ones too. 648 00:27:22,704 --> 00:27:25,384 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's another key relationship that we actually haven't touched 649 00:27:25,384 --> 00:27:27,664 Speaker 3: on yet, but it does follow that same thread about 650 00:27:28,224 --> 00:27:31,144 Speaker 3: the depictions of aging on screen. I'm talking, of course 651 00:27:31,184 --> 00:27:34,184 Speaker 3: about Elizabeth and her husband Steven. Oh. 652 00:27:34,504 --> 00:27:37,024 Speaker 4: That's where I was brought to tears in my final 653 00:27:37,184 --> 00:27:38,544 Speaker 4: scene when they're dancing together. 654 00:27:38,824 --> 00:27:42,304 Speaker 1: He is a stunning character. He's amazing, beautifully played by 655 00:27:42,384 --> 00:27:46,464 Speaker 1: Jonathan Price, so subtle. The relationship between him and Helen 656 00:27:46,544 --> 00:27:49,824 Speaker 1: Mirren was just really magnetic to watch on screen. It's 657 00:27:49,944 --> 00:27:52,904 Speaker 1: very touching, but it's really hard to watch someone love 658 00:27:53,104 --> 00:27:57,144 Speaker 1: another person who is slipping into dementia and coping with 659 00:27:57,184 --> 00:27:59,104 Speaker 1: it in the way that she copes with it, and 660 00:27:59,264 --> 00:28:02,144 Speaker 1: Elizabeth's way of coping with it is grinding up sleeping 661 00:28:02,184 --> 00:28:06,304 Speaker 1: pills to keep Stephen resting, and in their apartment so 662 00:28:06,344 --> 00:28:09,024 Speaker 1: no one realizes the extent of his dementia and he's 663 00:28:09,024 --> 00:28:11,664 Speaker 1: not taken away from her. I'm actually getting choked up 664 00:28:11,664 --> 00:28:14,904 Speaker 1: even thinking about it. That's really really hard. 665 00:28:15,384 --> 00:28:17,544 Speaker 3: Yeah, she makes so much mention as well of like 666 00:28:17,664 --> 00:28:19,904 Speaker 3: just wanting to be with Stephen and just want to 667 00:28:19,944 --> 00:28:21,864 Speaker 3: sit with Stephen and have a coffee with him, And 668 00:28:21,904 --> 00:28:23,584 Speaker 3: it would be lovely if bog Dawn would come and 669 00:28:23,664 --> 00:28:25,704 Speaker 3: visit him and play chess with him and just keep 670 00:28:25,744 --> 00:28:28,264 Speaker 3: him engaged in whatever way that she can to continue 671 00:28:28,544 --> 00:28:30,584 Speaker 3: as much time as she can at home with him. 672 00:28:31,024 --> 00:28:33,144 Speaker 1: The biggest thing that I took out of this movie 673 00:28:33,664 --> 00:28:35,824 Speaker 1: is that the characters in the Thursday Murder Club aren't 674 00:28:35,864 --> 00:28:39,224 Speaker 1: scared of dying. They're scared of dementia. They're scared of 675 00:28:39,304 --> 00:28:43,024 Speaker 1: slowly dying. And that is a lot. Well, you're right. 676 00:28:43,064 --> 00:28:45,504 Speaker 3: I mean, like, we look again at Elizabeth's friend and 677 00:28:45,624 --> 00:28:48,944 Speaker 3: former member of the Thursday Murder Club, Penny, who becomes 678 00:28:49,064 --> 00:28:52,464 Speaker 3: for a character that doesn't actually have any spoken lines 679 00:28:52,504 --> 00:28:54,784 Speaker 3: in this film, she becomes quite an integral part of 680 00:28:54,824 --> 00:28:57,464 Speaker 3: the plot line, like she's fallen victim to that, and 681 00:28:57,464 --> 00:29:00,144 Speaker 3: we see how her husband and how her best friend 682 00:29:00,184 --> 00:29:03,584 Speaker 3: Elizabeth really try and reconcile with their friend that is 683 00:29:03,664 --> 00:29:04,624 Speaker 3: gone but. 684 00:29:04,784 --> 00:29:09,144 Speaker 4: Ear longer there totally. And Penny's husband's behavior mimics what 685 00:29:09,224 --> 00:29:12,344 Speaker 4: Helen Miron's character is doing as well, and that enduring 686 00:29:12,384 --> 00:29:15,544 Speaker 4: love and the lengths people will go. And I feel 687 00:29:15,544 --> 00:29:19,184 Speaker 4: emotional now thinking about it too, Georgie. But to keep 688 00:29:19,184 --> 00:29:23,184 Speaker 4: that person that you love, you're beloved by your side, like, oh, 689 00:29:23,224 --> 00:29:24,024 Speaker 4: how is Stephen? 690 00:29:25,464 --> 00:29:26,144 Speaker 6: Oh you know. 691 00:29:28,504 --> 00:29:31,104 Speaker 5: That's a that's a slope, isn't it? That type of 692 00:29:31,144 --> 00:29:34,064 Speaker 5: dementia And he's not climbing back up. He has his 693 00:29:34,104 --> 00:29:36,904 Speaker 5: good days and his bad days. And sometimes he's there, 694 00:29:37,024 --> 00:29:41,744 Speaker 5: my Stephen, as I love him, smart, clear, and then 695 00:29:41,784 --> 00:29:43,384 Speaker 5: I turn around and he's gone again. 696 00:29:45,304 --> 00:29:45,584 Speaker 6: Gone. 697 00:29:46,584 --> 00:29:50,904 Speaker 4: So oftentimes when a book is adapted to screen, the 698 00:29:50,944 --> 00:29:53,064 Speaker 4: people who've read the book have a lot of feelings 699 00:29:53,104 --> 00:29:57,104 Speaker 4: about how it measured up. What what crazy? That's not 700 00:29:57,144 --> 00:29:59,864 Speaker 4: been us this entire podcast at all. I want to 701 00:29:59,904 --> 00:30:02,744 Speaker 4: know what do you guys think overall? Did it stack up? 702 00:30:02,944 --> 00:30:06,024 Speaker 4: Did it live up to your expectations? What do you think, Georgie? 703 00:30:06,504 --> 00:30:09,064 Speaker 1: In one hundred percent did live up to my expectations? 704 00:30:09,464 --> 00:30:12,704 Speaker 1: The biggest difference is the reason that anyone committed a 705 00:30:12,704 --> 00:30:15,304 Speaker 1: crime like they didn't have the time of the book. 706 00:30:15,344 --> 00:30:17,424 Speaker 1: I totally get that the book is a lot more 707 00:30:17,464 --> 00:30:20,264 Speaker 1: complex in terms of every crime, but this is like 708 00:30:20,304 --> 00:30:22,624 Speaker 1: a mainstream movie. I don't want to be sitting around 709 00:30:22,664 --> 00:30:24,904 Speaker 1: for four hours while you explain it all. They wrapped 710 00:30:24,904 --> 00:30:26,704 Speaker 1: it up in less than two hours, and I think 711 00:30:26,744 --> 00:30:29,304 Speaker 1: they were just really mainstream reasons for the crime. I 712 00:30:29,304 --> 00:30:31,104 Speaker 1: think they were really clever and really good. 713 00:30:31,464 --> 00:30:34,064 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think given the time constraints and you don't 714 00:30:34,064 --> 00:30:36,744 Speaker 3: have the luxury of one hundred and twenty chapters or whatever, 715 00:30:37,024 --> 00:30:38,464 Speaker 3: that you do the best with what you can. And 716 00:30:38,504 --> 00:30:41,104 Speaker 3: I think that this adaptation does what it says in 717 00:30:41,144 --> 00:30:43,504 Speaker 3: the tin. As Georgie you would say, it is exactly 718 00:30:43,504 --> 00:30:45,144 Speaker 3: where it needs to be, the best place to be 719 00:30:45,184 --> 00:30:48,144 Speaker 3: consumed in one sort of sitting. What I will say 720 00:30:48,224 --> 00:30:52,424 Speaker 3: is when it comes to murder mystery specifically as a genre, 721 00:30:52,984 --> 00:30:55,904 Speaker 3: I actually think it's okay if you mess with the 722 00:30:55,944 --> 00:30:59,584 Speaker 3: plot and you change around how or why people get murdered, 723 00:30:59,664 --> 00:31:02,184 Speaker 3: or maybe even who is the murderer, Because if you're 724 00:31:02,224 --> 00:31:04,664 Speaker 3: a hardcore fan of the book, you know that, and 725 00:31:04,824 --> 00:31:06,624 Speaker 3: you get to sit with that and love and appreciate 726 00:31:06,664 --> 00:31:08,784 Speaker 3: it for what it is, and then you get something 727 00:31:08,824 --> 00:31:11,304 Speaker 3: different from the film. Always want to watch the same 728 00:31:11,344 --> 00:31:13,704 Speaker 3: thing play out and play out and play out, And 729 00:31:13,744 --> 00:31:15,544 Speaker 3: if not, then it's just like you get to tell 730 00:31:15,584 --> 00:31:17,104 Speaker 3: more people to read the book then, right. 731 00:31:17,304 --> 00:31:20,184 Speaker 4: So true, you can experience them as different pieces of work. 732 00:31:20,264 --> 00:31:21,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're separate entities. 733 00:31:21,424 --> 00:31:24,624 Speaker 3: I mean, like Richard Osmond was an executive producer on this, 734 00:31:24,744 --> 00:31:26,424 Speaker 3: but he didn't write the screenplay. 735 00:31:26,664 --> 00:31:28,904 Speaker 1: No, he chose not to write the screenplay because he said, 736 00:31:28,904 --> 00:31:30,544 Speaker 1: if I did it, it would be eight hours long, which 737 00:31:30,584 --> 00:31:30,864 Speaker 1: is true. 738 00:31:30,944 --> 00:31:32,304 Speaker 4: Georgie, what are the reviews saying? 739 00:31:32,744 --> 00:31:34,944 Speaker 1: Look, they're really mixed. I've got to say, and you 740 00:31:34,984 --> 00:31:38,704 Speaker 1: know what, I think this movie gives me exactly what 741 00:31:38,744 --> 00:31:41,544 Speaker 1: I want from it, and I think critics are meanies. 742 00:31:42,024 --> 00:31:44,784 Speaker 1: I feel like they are ranking The Thursday Murder Club 743 00:31:44,864 --> 00:31:48,904 Speaker 1: up against The Godfather. You know what, It's cozy, it's fun, 744 00:31:49,184 --> 00:31:53,744 Speaker 1: it's beautifully shot, it's really enjoyable, it's funny. I want 745 00:31:53,744 --> 00:31:55,984 Speaker 1: to give it five out of five for what it's 746 00:31:56,104 --> 00:31:58,904 Speaker 1: giving me. And what it's giving me is exactly what 747 00:31:58,904 --> 00:31:59,784 Speaker 1: the trailer promises. 748 00:32:00,104 --> 00:32:02,704 Speaker 3: So what you're saying is, don't go in expecting this 749 00:32:02,744 --> 00:32:04,424 Speaker 3: to be an Oscar contender. 750 00:32:04,824 --> 00:32:07,264 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean the performances are pretty good. 751 00:32:07,544 --> 00:32:11,344 Speaker 1: It's Pierce Prosna, isn't it. I'd give his hair me 752 00:32:11,464 --> 00:32:12,104 Speaker 1: too well. 753 00:32:12,104 --> 00:32:16,224 Speaker 3: Speaking of it being a cozy watch, something that I 754 00:32:16,264 --> 00:32:18,624 Speaker 3: picture when you say that is quite literally sitting on 755 00:32:18,664 --> 00:32:21,144 Speaker 3: my couch and watching this at home, which is perfect. 756 00:32:21,144 --> 00:32:24,344 Speaker 3: Because it's a Netflix original film. It had a limited 757 00:32:24,464 --> 00:32:26,944 Speaker 3: cinematic release in the UK, but otherwise the rest of 758 00:32:27,024 --> 00:32:28,944 Speaker 3: us will be watching it at home on our tellies 759 00:32:29,344 --> 00:32:30,984 Speaker 3: or at work. A few jobs like this and you 760 00:32:31,024 --> 00:32:33,104 Speaker 3: get to watch it at work. Do you think this 761 00:32:33,144 --> 00:32:35,424 Speaker 3: would have worked in cinema or is this something that 762 00:32:35,424 --> 00:32:36,784 Speaker 3: should only be consumed at home. 763 00:32:37,144 --> 00:32:40,104 Speaker 1: I am so thankful that we have screeners like Netflix 764 00:32:40,144 --> 00:32:42,064 Speaker 1: now and I can watch it at home. I've got 765 00:32:42,144 --> 00:32:44,064 Speaker 1: young kids, so I used to go to the movies 766 00:32:44,104 --> 00:32:46,624 Speaker 1: a lot. I now rarely go to the movies and 767 00:32:46,664 --> 00:32:49,104 Speaker 1: it has to be a very big event to get 768 00:32:49,104 --> 00:32:52,264 Speaker 1: me there. This is so perfect to watch on your 769 00:32:52,304 --> 00:32:54,984 Speaker 1: couch with tea and cake. There's a lot of cake 770 00:32:54,984 --> 00:32:56,864 Speaker 1: in the movie. I love make to want more cake 771 00:32:57,104 --> 00:32:57,664 Speaker 1: the whole time. 772 00:32:57,664 --> 00:33:00,104 Speaker 4: The lemon drizzle cake, Oh famous Lamblish. 773 00:33:00,184 --> 00:33:00,904 Speaker 1: Just give me somewhere. 774 00:33:01,024 --> 00:33:03,024 Speaker 4: I actually said to my partner when we're watching it, 775 00:33:03,104 --> 00:33:04,864 Speaker 4: I said, I think I need to get into baking. 776 00:33:04,904 --> 00:33:08,024 Speaker 4: That looks so fun and just joyful the layers. 777 00:33:08,304 --> 00:33:10,704 Speaker 3: Do you know something else that I noted while watching 778 00:33:10,744 --> 00:33:14,584 Speaker 3: this is that it looked like a Netflix film. Now 779 00:33:14,744 --> 00:33:16,384 Speaker 3: if I said that, does that mean anything to either 780 00:33:16,424 --> 00:33:20,744 Speaker 3: of you? Okay, that's crickets. I feel like Whez Andersen 781 00:33:20,824 --> 00:33:23,984 Speaker 3: films have a very specific, strong aesthetic, like it's bright 782 00:33:24,064 --> 00:33:27,024 Speaker 3: colors and it's super camp yep. So I feel like 783 00:33:27,144 --> 00:33:30,224 Speaker 3: there are certain sections of the Netflix film and TV 784 00:33:30,504 --> 00:33:33,384 Speaker 3: original canon that do that as well. I think about 785 00:33:33,424 --> 00:33:37,064 Speaker 3: like Knives Out or The Gentleman, for instance, which I've 786 00:33:37,064 --> 00:33:39,984 Speaker 3: mentioned twice today because it's a really great series. Do 787 00:33:40,024 --> 00:33:41,304 Speaker 3: you know where I'm going with? So you picking up 788 00:33:41,304 --> 00:33:41,984 Speaker 3: what I'm putting down? 789 00:33:42,224 --> 00:33:44,904 Speaker 4: I think so. I think I personally would have loved 790 00:33:44,944 --> 00:33:47,664 Speaker 4: it to be in cinema just to take my grandma too, 791 00:33:47,944 --> 00:33:49,904 Speaker 4: But also I can go to her house and watch 792 00:33:49,904 --> 00:33:51,464 Speaker 4: it with her on the couch and it be just 793 00:33:51,504 --> 00:33:54,344 Speaker 4: as special and we can eat cake and drink tea. 794 00:33:54,464 --> 00:33:55,944 Speaker 1: Do you want to hear a really good thing about 795 00:33:55,984 --> 00:33:58,264 Speaker 1: the look? Yes? And I'm obsessed with the look, like 796 00:33:58,304 --> 00:34:00,424 Speaker 1: I wanted to live in every one of their apartments. 797 00:34:00,624 --> 00:34:03,464 Speaker 1: I'd go like, oh Joyce's oh no, Elizabeth, Like it 798 00:34:03,544 --> 00:34:06,744 Speaker 1: was just every scene looked so beautiful. So Kuberschase was 799 00:34:06,784 --> 00:34:10,384 Speaker 1: filmed at this beautiful Engelfield house in Berkshire. What the 800 00:34:10,184 --> 00:34:12,504 Speaker 1: set painters did is they went and they took pictures 801 00:34:12,544 --> 00:34:15,664 Speaker 1: from every window and every time you look outside in 802 00:34:15,744 --> 00:34:20,104 Speaker 1: the movie, that's actually painted set. So they have painted. 803 00:34:20,424 --> 00:34:22,864 Speaker 1: What you see from every window of this historic building 804 00:34:22,904 --> 00:34:24,864 Speaker 1: they have painted. And then when you see people do 805 00:34:24,944 --> 00:34:27,624 Speaker 1: tai chi or driving golf carts and stuff that's in 806 00:34:27,744 --> 00:34:31,184 Speaker 1: front of this big mural along the back which they 807 00:34:31,224 --> 00:34:32,984 Speaker 1: have painted, isn't that so clever? 808 00:34:33,144 --> 00:34:33,944 Speaker 4: That's phenomenal. 809 00:34:34,064 --> 00:34:36,144 Speaker 3: I would have never guessed that was a painted set. 810 00:34:36,384 --> 00:34:38,264 Speaker 1: And if you go and watch it again, there's one 811 00:34:38,304 --> 00:34:40,824 Speaker 1: scene where they're all standing in a room and through 812 00:34:40,824 --> 00:34:43,304 Speaker 1: the window you can see all these police cars. They 813 00:34:43,304 --> 00:34:46,224 Speaker 1: are all cardboard cutouts. How clever are set painters? 814 00:34:46,384 --> 00:34:46,944 Speaker 4: Oh my god? 815 00:34:46,984 --> 00:34:48,984 Speaker 3: I saw Georgie has a note here and it just 816 00:34:49,024 --> 00:34:50,864 Speaker 3: says police cars and I was like, wonder, I's just 817 00:34:50,864 --> 00:34:51,704 Speaker 3: going to go with that. 818 00:34:51,704 --> 00:34:52,864 Speaker 1: That was not on my finger car. 819 00:34:53,024 --> 00:34:54,944 Speaker 4: She also has rude words. I want to know about that. 820 00:34:55,864 --> 00:34:57,464 Speaker 1: I want to tell you about the word plunkert, which 821 00:34:57,464 --> 00:34:59,904 Speaker 1: you'll hear two minutes into the movie. So when they 822 00:34:59,904 --> 00:35:02,704 Speaker 1: were filming, Chris Columbus had to yell cut when Pierce 823 00:35:02,704 --> 00:35:07,024 Speaker 1: Brosnan ad libbed the word plunker and go what is 824 00:35:07,064 --> 00:35:09,704 Speaker 1: a plonker? And when he found out it's such a 825 00:35:09,704 --> 00:35:12,424 Speaker 1: good word. I don't even know what the Australian equivalent 826 00:35:12,464 --> 00:35:16,144 Speaker 1: would be. It's sort of affectionate, but like lovable idiot, 827 00:35:16,224 --> 00:35:20,904 Speaker 1: like daft, it's like tossa. It's like tossa. Absolutely, so 828 00:35:21,024 --> 00:35:23,184 Speaker 1: he thought it was so good he got Kes Brosident 829 00:35:23,224 --> 00:35:26,144 Speaker 1: to use that again. And then apparently Helen Mirren ad 830 00:35:26,184 --> 00:35:29,624 Speaker 1: libbed the line calling police wankers, and so many people 831 00:35:29,624 --> 00:35:32,784 Speaker 1: on set got offended that. Chris Columbus was like, this 832 00:35:32,944 --> 00:35:34,264 Speaker 1: is brilliant. We are keeping this. 833 00:35:35,184 --> 00:35:37,104 Speaker 4: I love that, Like that's the side of a good director. 834 00:35:37,184 --> 00:35:37,304 Speaker 6: Right. 835 00:35:37,384 --> 00:35:39,424 Speaker 3: It's like, no, no, no, you've outraged people. We've done 836 00:35:39,424 --> 00:35:40,704 Speaker 3: something here. 837 00:35:41,064 --> 00:35:42,144 Speaker 4: This is the focus group. 838 00:35:43,424 --> 00:35:46,384 Speaker 1: Okay, Georgie, you told me explicitly. 839 00:35:46,544 --> 00:35:49,344 Speaker 3: I was not allowed, as in like I was actually 840 00:35:49,384 --> 00:35:52,864 Speaker 3: banned like a naughty child from reading the second book 841 00:35:53,104 --> 00:35:57,464 Speaker 3: until we recorded this podcast. So I am desperate, now 842 00:35:57,544 --> 00:35:59,944 Speaker 3: do you mean desperate to know what is next in 843 00:35:59,944 --> 00:36:03,144 Speaker 3: this franchise. This is like book one of five in 844 00:36:03,184 --> 00:36:06,544 Speaker 3: the Thursday Murder Club universe. Are we going to get 845 00:36:06,704 --> 00:36:08,784 Speaker 3: Thursday Metaclub number two on Netflix? 846 00:36:08,784 --> 00:36:11,544 Speaker 1: Would you like the quote from Chris Colub? Yes? The 847 00:36:11,624 --> 00:36:14,504 Speaker 1: quote is all signs seem to point in that direction. 848 00:36:14,904 --> 00:36:17,424 Speaker 4: Oh yes, hell yeah. Do you know what I'm really 849 00:36:17,424 --> 00:36:18,064 Speaker 4: impressed by? 850 00:36:18,544 --> 00:36:18,904 Speaker 1: You said? 851 00:36:18,944 --> 00:36:21,304 Speaker 4: The first book came out in twenty twenty and there's 852 00:36:21,304 --> 00:36:22,264 Speaker 4: already how many books? 853 00:36:22,944 --> 00:36:26,064 Speaker 1: Well, very excitingly, You're gonna have to get Taylor onto 854 00:36:26,104 --> 00:36:28,424 Speaker 1: the second book really fast. The fifth book comes out 855 00:36:28,464 --> 00:36:31,584 Speaker 1: next month, September twenty fifth. It's called The Impossible Fortune. 856 00:36:31,664 --> 00:36:33,304 Speaker 1: So we're about to see the movies of the Man 857 00:36:33,304 --> 00:36:35,744 Speaker 1: Who Died Twice, The Bullet That Missed, and The Last 858 00:36:35,744 --> 00:36:38,904 Speaker 1: Devil to Die. Bring them all on as their own movies, 859 00:36:38,984 --> 00:36:41,864 Speaker 1: I'm hoping. Also, if you are really deep in the 860 00:36:41,904 --> 00:36:44,344 Speaker 1: fandom like me, what, I'm in Facebook groups for this thing, 861 00:36:44,424 --> 00:36:45,384 Speaker 1: no worries truly. 862 00:36:45,424 --> 00:36:47,264 Speaker 3: Georgelie came over to my jest today and was like, 863 00:36:47,424 --> 00:36:50,424 Speaker 3: I've joined Facebook groups. I thought, she said, I joined Facebook, 864 00:36:50,464 --> 00:36:51,984 Speaker 3: and I was, You're about twenty years later? 865 00:36:51,984 --> 00:36:52,624 Speaker 4: What year is it? 866 00:36:53,624 --> 00:36:56,144 Speaker 3: But no, no, she's like in Thursday Murder Club Facebook 867 00:36:56,144 --> 00:36:58,024 Speaker 3: groups now, which is great because we're going to be 868 00:36:58,064 --> 00:36:58,344 Speaker 3: there too. 869 00:36:58,344 --> 00:36:59,984 Speaker 1: I imagine they have all my people. I love it 870 00:37:00,024 --> 00:37:02,424 Speaker 1: so much. So some of the best scenes will obviously 871 00:37:02,464 --> 00:37:04,624 Speaker 1: cut from this, like all movies, because they just don't 872 00:37:04,624 --> 00:37:06,984 Speaker 1: have the time. Chris Columbus has said that he has 873 00:37:07,064 --> 00:37:10,264 Speaker 1: created some Thursday Murder Club shorts. The first one is 874 00:37:10,424 --> 00:37:13,504 Speaker 1: called for fans of Matthew Mackey The Priest Who Wasn't 875 00:37:13,504 --> 00:37:15,664 Speaker 1: a Priest, which is coming out on Netflix, which is 876 00:37:15,704 --> 00:37:18,584 Speaker 1: awesome so you can actually dive deeper into the film, 877 00:37:18,624 --> 00:37:21,824 Speaker 1: which I really love. And big news, guys, the Thursday 878 00:37:21,864 --> 00:37:25,344 Speaker 1: Murder Club is being made into a stage show. Get out, 879 00:37:25,464 --> 00:37:28,184 Speaker 1: It's being made into a play. Stop great is that so? 880 00:37:28,304 --> 00:37:30,104 Speaker 1: Richard Osmond said that he recently went to see The 881 00:37:30,104 --> 00:37:32,384 Speaker 1: mouse Trap, which is the longest running play of all time, 882 00:37:32,384 --> 00:37:34,744 Speaker 1: the Agatha Christie who done it, to see how they 883 00:37:34,744 --> 00:37:36,504 Speaker 1: did it on stage. He's working on a play at 884 00:37:36,544 --> 00:37:38,944 Speaker 1: the moment of The Thursday Murder Club. Let's all go. 885 00:37:39,304 --> 00:37:43,744 Speaker 3: I mean, Courtney as our resident theatre correspondent, like that, 886 00:37:44,584 --> 00:37:47,264 Speaker 3: how excited? I mean, like I'm excited. How excited are you? 887 00:37:47,464 --> 00:37:47,664 Speaker 6: Oh? 888 00:37:47,744 --> 00:37:50,104 Speaker 4: I'm so excited. And I mean they've already got the 889 00:37:50,144 --> 00:37:55,384 Speaker 4: set painting wheel that up and that's the show. You 890 00:37:55,384 --> 00:37:57,624 Speaker 4: can take your grandparent too. How cute. They'd love a 891 00:37:57,664 --> 00:37:58,264 Speaker 4: matinee of that. 892 00:37:58,744 --> 00:38:00,104 Speaker 1: I'd love a Mattino ma same. 893 00:38:00,224 --> 00:38:02,224 Speaker 3: Hey, thank you so much for listening to the very 894 00:38:02,224 --> 00:38:04,624 Speaker 3: first episode of the Spill's watch party. We're going to 895 00:38:04,704 --> 00:38:07,104 Speaker 3: be here every time a new TV show or a 896 00:38:07,104 --> 00:38:10,264 Speaker 3: big movie drops and you require an emergency debrief session. 897 00:38:10,664 --> 00:38:12,864 Speaker 3: Speaking of which, what are we all looking forward to, 898 00:38:12,944 --> 00:38:15,264 Speaker 3: because there's so much Tellian film on the horizon that 899 00:38:15,264 --> 00:38:17,744 Speaker 3: we will absolutely need to cover. For me, it is 900 00:38:17,984 --> 00:38:20,944 Speaker 3: rich people behaving badly. It's the White Lotus Georgie. 901 00:38:21,304 --> 00:38:24,824 Speaker 1: Oh, it's all about Benedict and Sophie on Bridgeton. I 902 00:38:24,904 --> 00:38:27,904 Speaker 1: cannot wait. Hopefully early next year, the fandom says. 903 00:38:27,784 --> 00:38:30,824 Speaker 4: And I want life imitating art in nobody wants this 904 00:38:31,064 --> 00:38:32,344 Speaker 4: the show about podcasting. 905 00:38:32,424 --> 00:38:34,704 Speaker 1: Oh okay, I was gonna ask, did you marry a Rabbi? 906 00:38:35,224 --> 00:38:36,064 Speaker 4: Not that I remember. 907 00:38:36,304 --> 00:38:38,744 Speaker 3: Okay, I'll pick that one up later. Hey, make sure 908 00:38:38,744 --> 00:38:41,024 Speaker 3: you follow us so you never miss an episode. Don't 909 00:38:41,024 --> 00:38:43,864 Speaker 3: forget to follow the Spill on Instagram and TikTok. That'll 910 00:38:43,864 --> 00:38:45,384 Speaker 3: all be linked for you in the show notes, and 911 00:38:45,664 --> 00:38:47,704 Speaker 3: while you're over there, slide into our dms and tell 912 00:38:47,784 --> 00:38:49,584 Speaker 3: us the shows and films that you are desperate to 913 00:38:49,624 --> 00:38:52,544 Speaker 3: hear more about too. Watch Party is produced by the 914 00:38:52,584 --> 00:38:55,984 Speaker 3: wonderful Minishas Warren, with sound production by Scott Stronik and 915 00:38:56,104 --> 00:38:58,904 Speaker 3: video production by Michael Keene. We'll be back here when 916 00:38:58,944 --> 00:39:01,504 Speaker 3: the next big show drops, because when the world is watching, 917 00:39:01,984 --> 00:39:03,264 Speaker 3: you best believe so are we. 918 00:39:03,624 --> 00:39:12,744 Speaker 1: Bye Bye Bye