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Speaker 1: Hello, wonderful yaghborhood. I hope you had a great weekend

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Speaker 1: and welcome to a brand new week. Even though we're

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Speaker 1: still here in lockdown in Victoria, there's something so refreshing

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Speaker 1: about a weekend. I know I yack on about this

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Speaker 1: making this show is not being able to see you,

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Speaker 1: guys or reach out to you at the time that

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Speaker 1: I've been noticing people posting about episodes or sharing their

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Speaker 1: so a couple of weeks later rather than in the

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Speaker 1: thought lockdowns on and off around the country meant we

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Speaker 1: for myself at least, and probably therefore also some of you,

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Speaker 1: actually listening to podcasts less. So dropping two episodes this

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Speaker 1: reshare some episodes that you may have missed to let

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Speaker 1: some of you catch up so that you don't feel

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Speaker 1: like you're behind. And yet another thing in life, because

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Speaker 1: I feel like and everything else we're all running a

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Speaker 1: As always, if I'm totally wrong on this one, please

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Speaker 1: sure that I don't do this for too many weeks

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Speaker 1: if that's not what you actually want. Whoever invents an

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Speaker 1: app where you can leave messages at time markers on

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Speaker 1: podcast episodes and the creator can see them, will win

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Speaker 1: my heart. And also so randomly, how has no one

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Speaker 1: else invented an app for when you get put on

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Speaker 1: just lets you hang up while you're on hold, but

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Speaker 1: then makes an alarm when you pick up. I clearly

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Speaker 1: the technology we have, how has no one invented that yet? Anyway,

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Speaker 1: this one was shared a few times last week, and

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Speaker 1: I think a couple of you were listening to it

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Speaker 1: to the first listening to this episode for the first time,

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Speaker 1: and it was such a fun chat, so I thought

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Speaker 1: I would share it again for your ears. Hope you

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Speaker 1: are all having an amazing week and are seizing your yay.

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Speaker 2: I think if you're ever feeling like you need to

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Speaker 2: things about yourself because you're worried about what other people think.

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Speaker 2: I always ask myself, is the pain of regret going

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Speaker 2: to be worse than the fear of the what ifs?

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Speaker 2: The biggest thing I wanted to do was challenge the

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Speaker 2: country's ideas about our nation's identity. Develop enough courage so

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Speaker 2: that you can stand up for yourself and then stand

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Speaker 1: These are the yeays of our lives. Busy and happy

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Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 1: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but

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Speaker 1: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than

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Speaker 1: one way. So this is a platform to hear and

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Speaker 1: explore the stories of those who found lives They adore,

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Speaker 1: the good, bad and ugly, the best and worst day

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Speaker 1: will bear all the facets of seizing your Yeay. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sarah Davidson or spoon Full of Sarah, a lawyer turned

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Speaker 1: funentrepreneur who swapped the suits and heels to co found

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Speaker 1: Matcha Maiden and matcha Milk Bar. CZA is a series

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Speaker 1: of conversations on finding a life you love and exploring

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Speaker 1: the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way.

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Speaker 1: It really is such a privilege to create this show

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Speaker 1: for you, beautiful neighborhood, and getting your messages about episodes

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Speaker 1: that have brought you joy or laughter when you really

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Speaker 1: during this latest lockdown in Victoria. For my fellow Victorians,

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Speaker 1: been getting some really, really lovely feedback about how wonderful

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Speaker 1: So it's kind of a selfish endeavor. Our latest guests

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Speaker 1: so thrilled to have the incredible Maria Fatil joining four

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Speaker 1: know as Miss Universe Australia twenty twenty one, freshly returned

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Speaker 1: seven decades. Maria is shattering ceilings and breaking down traditional

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Speaker 1: She has such powerful messages about identity, self belief in

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Speaker 1: beginning for Maria. We have an irrepressible change maker on

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Speaker 1: I did. Links to all her incredible work, including the

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Speaker 1: My Australia video that was quite groundbreaking and very moving.

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Speaker 1: I've watched it several times now and just get shivers

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Speaker 1: and in the meantime, hope you guys enjoy Maria, Welcome

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this was so delightful. Maria literally came

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Speaker 1: watching you represent us so beautifully. I'm fangirling you. And

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Speaker 2: And oh, that's exactly what I said. I said, you

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Speaker 2: know what, we just had that moment in step Brothers

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Speaker 1: Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: We finally get out of mutual lockdown, Yes, then we

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, we could go for a

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, you, me and Paul three of us.

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Speaker 1: Or you and Paul can be in one, yes, and

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Speaker 1: I'll just be the third villain.

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Speaker 2: You didn't call me a tiny giant before, so I'd

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what I love about you. I think you

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Speaker 1: So I loved our national costume that was designed that

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Speaker 1: I was like, gosh, you are just this gigantic, beautiful

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Speaker 2: and we're tying it to physical attributes. I'm like, you

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Speaker 1: Like challenge accepted, a challenge accepted absolutely. My husband's mum

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Speaker 1: so nick six one, but his mom's four eleven. She's

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Speaker 2: And it really is a confidence thing, and it's how

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Speaker 1: Well, you have so much wisdom on that point to

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Speaker 1: But I would love to just quickly acknowledge that this

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Speaker 1: so you have seven more days to go.

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Speaker 2: I know. I mean, I'm so excited to get out

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Speaker 2: of we quarantine, but I'm going into a seven day lockdown.

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Speaker 2: I hope it's just seven days. But at least I'll

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Speaker 2: it really hasn't been bad. I would not say it's bad.

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Speaker 2: I think seeing that hotel quarantine is bad. It's quite

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Speaker 2: a privileged thing to say, so that's really like guided

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Speaker 2: But I am excited to get out.

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Speaker 1: How has that been, kind of sitting with your thoughts

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Speaker 1: and you know, what I was reflecting on about you know,

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Speaker 1: what I wanted to ask you was that you've just

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Speaker 1: and not let the dust settle. Yeah, how has it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's great. And I remember my dad

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Speaker 1: a lot of pain and disappointment. And so I often

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00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 1: say that the way I make decisions about the future

434
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 1: is a future regret management method, like am I going

435
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 1: to regret in the future, which means that I very

436
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 1: rarely have a regret because past me has thought about

437
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 1: a future me regretting things even if it doesn't work out.

438
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 1: Usually I've thought, you know, this is going to be

439
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 1: better than wishing that I had tried. And the other

440
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,640
Speaker 1: thing that you said that I thought was really valuable

441
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,239
Speaker 1: there was about how even in those moments when you

442
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 1: are feeling doubtful and like even the fact that you

443
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 1: have had to deal with being called not Australian, Like

444
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: what even is Australian? Firstly, like there is no Australian.

445
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 1: I mean I've had the same thing. And you mentioned

446
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: with makeup artists. I always do my own makeup because

447
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 1: no one knows how to do Asian eyes, Like it's

448
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 1: a full thing.

449
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 2: Yes, it is. It is, though it's not something that

450
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,239
Speaker 2: is adequately a part of the curriculum. But why isn't it.

451
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 2: Why do we not teach people how to deal with

452
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,159
Speaker 2: black people's hair and makeup as well and cater to

453
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 2: their skin tone. They're just as Australian.

454
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 1: And that's what is beautiful about Australia. We are such

455
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 1: a patchwork of multiculturalism. But in that sort of doubt arena,

456
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 1: what I think is really interesting is that a quota

457
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 1: I always come back to in that area is someone

458
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: out there is looking for exactly what you have, and

459
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 1: it's almost selfish of you to suppress that because you're

460
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 1: depriving all the people who are like you and who

461
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: could take inspiration from what you do. You're depriving them

462
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 1: of the inspiration you could offer. And so I love that,

463
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 1: you know, you let yourself go out there and own

464
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: it and not conform like you did this competition as

465
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 1: exactly who you are. I mean, I don't know if

466
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: you could see the response in the Australian media was overwhelming,

467
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: like everyone fell in love with you, and even more

468
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: so because you didn't try and be anyone else. And

469
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: you would never have known that, like if you listen

470
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: to the doubters and were like, you know, she's never

471
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: going to go anywhere. You made it to the top

472
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: ten in the world, and you did it your own way,

473
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 1: and you would never have known. If you believed the doubters,

474
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: you would have been like, oh, yeah, look I'm not Australian.

475
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: I'm never going to make it. I can't do the competition.

476
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 1: I'm too sure, Like for so many reasons, race aside,

477
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: the high thing was made a bigger deal than it

478
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 1: should have been made, but it was huge.

479
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 2: But you know what it is that you're so right

480
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 2: And it was interesting to me because I thought I

481
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 2: am the average height right, five foot three, five foot

482
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 2: forwards the average height, and I question very very passionate

483
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 2: about inclusivity and representation because I think that's the way

484
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 2: forward for everything. It's the way forward. And I asked

485
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 2: myself why the average woman was not being seen on

486
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 2: the Miss Universe stage, and then I asked it, what

487
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: are we telling people about what it is to be

488
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 2: considered beautiful? Powerful? You know, capable of stepping into a

489
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 2: global ambassadors ship role. You need to fit physical requirements,

490
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 2: you need to stand at a certain number of like

491
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 2: I would never say that to my kid, do you

492
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 2: know what I mean? But there are people who actually would.

493
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 2: And I thought, you know, the racism and the comments

494
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 2: about height. I could not tell you. Every day, you

495
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 2: know what it was like opening your phone and you

496
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 2: are being ranked, you are being judged. Someone has done

497
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 2: a forty minute YouTube video discussing and dissecting why you

498
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 2: can't do it. And my family was seeing this every

499
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: day too. It's like a sport in some countries, so

500
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 2: people are very into it. And I think the one

501
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 2: thing I would say to other people from what I've

502
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 2: learned here is that you know, there will always be

503
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: people who have opinions, and they will have opinions whether

504
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: you're doing something you like or if you're doing something

505
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 2: you don't and if this was happening to me in

506
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 2: my hr job, which it did, there was sexism and

507
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 2: there were you know, people who were would underestimate you

508
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: for a number of reasons. But if that was happening

509
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 2: to me there versus here, at least it's happening to

510
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: me while I'm forging your head and I'm going to

511
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: prove them all along anyway. So that's the attitude, you know,

512
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: why can't you be the first one to say, I'm

513
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 2: going to shut that conversation down. Yeah, I'm going to

514
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: be the one to do it. Why not you? And

515
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: there's another quote that's if not you, then who?

516
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah? And also the fact so struggling about it.

517
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: I know, I can tell I love it so much.

518
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: It's infectious, this passion. But it also you're so right,

519
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: like people will hate what you do anyway, if you

520
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: do anything in the public sphere, there's going to be

521
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: a section of society no matter what you do, who

522
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: you can't please.

523
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 2: How do you have that, Sarah? Because I cannot imagine.

524
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 2: And here's the thing. Let me put it into perspective.

525
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: Sarah is obviously the loveliest soul, and her businesses are incredible.

526
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of them are evolved around health.

527
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 2: It's around positivity, mental wellbeing. I bet you still get that.

528
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the thing. It's like, even in an

529
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: area which is pretty uncontroversial, like I don't think you

530
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 1: could get less contra t reversal then joy, there's sort

531
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: of not many people out there who could be like, oh,

532
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: Joy is you know, so upsetting? Like please get that

533
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: on my face. But you're right, like that's the perfect

534
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: example that even still you are going to upset somebody

535
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: like either you're not talking about joy in this area

536
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: of society, or you're supporting four charities but not five,

537
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: or like it's never enough, or you get like some

538
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: of my sort of trolling has been like can you

539
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: just stop being so bubbly and happy? It's so fucking annoying.

540
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh wow, I'm too happy. I'm so sorry,

541
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: like just going somewhere else. Like the podcast has the

542
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: word yay in it. I think that's a clear indication

543
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: that if you don't want bubbly, go somewhere else, Go

544
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: somewhere else.

545
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 2: It's funny that you say this. I actually got a

546
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: message just the other day. Somebody had sent me a

547
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: really racist and abusive message, and the only thing I

548
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 2: replied with was sending you love and light, and that

549
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: like triggered them and they just said, you can shove

550
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 2: your positive.

551
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, I'm sorry, I'm a happy person,

552
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 3: and like it's you're not like, no matter what, people

553
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: are going to be angry, they're going to be hateful

554
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 3: because that has everything to do with them and nothing

555
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: to do with you.

556
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 2: So why internalize somebody else's issue? So why let someone

557
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 2: else dictate what you do in your life. I cannot

558
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: tell you how liberating it has been in the past

559
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: twelve months to really back myself and trust myself and

560
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: let myself be the only voice influencing my decisions. It

561
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: has changed my life.

562
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: And it's also like the haters will be there anyway.

563
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: And once you actually put the two scenarios next to

564
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: each other, like doing what you want to do anyway

565
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: or sitting in the doubt and you know, not going

566
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: ahead and not putting yourself out there, someone's going to

567
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: be unhappy in either situation. So it's not like not

568
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: following your dreams stops or the hate like there will

569
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: always be people who appose what you do anyway. So

570
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: it's like you might as well be doing the thing

571
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: that you like. It will come no matter what. But

572
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: in terms of how you actually went about that logistically,

573
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: I think one of the things you have done and

574
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: Priya has done, and for the past couple of years

575
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: it's been really changing that national perception of this competition.

576
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: I think we used to really believe it was like miscongeniality,

577
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: which was kind of a little bit fun to think

578
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: it was a real thing. I would love to hear,

579
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: particularly because you competed entirely on Zoom for the Australian version.

580
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,239
Speaker 1: What was the competition like, like, we see a lot

581
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: of you on stage, we see you know, you're doing

582
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: walking training. There's a lot of what we would expect

583
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: to see, but what are the parts that we don't

584
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: necessarily know happens? Like I think people don't realize you

585
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: actually have to have a brain to win this competition,

586
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: you know.

587
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: That's one hundred percent of Then when people critique it,

588
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: they're like, I cannot believe you're being judged on how

589
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: beautiful you are. And I'm like, if you think that,

590
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: then you really don't know enough about it, you know.

591
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: The Australian competition, and I think it's very different to

592
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: the international competition. In my opinion, they're completely different worlds.

593
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: The Australian one. I had to compete amongst the other

594
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: Victorian girls completely from lockdown because we was for eight

595
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: months are Locktown. Last year we were curssed was from March.

596
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: You know, we're announced as national finalists. We had the

597
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 2: y a moment and then it was like a now

598
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: sday home for eight months. So that was you know,

599
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: where the other girls were going to photo shoots and

600
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: going to the gym and able to get their roots

601
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: touched up. We were getting boxes of product to drop

602
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: to our front door and it's like you go make

603
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: some content and you know, it was disheartening at times

604
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: because you're worried and my pink disadvantaged. But I'll tell

605
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: you what I thought. That ended up obviously working. You

606
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: can sit there and think I'm disadvantaged. I'm not doing

607
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: all the fancy stuff that embellishes this opportunity. But when

608
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: I actually asked myself, if you strip all that away,

609
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: strip away everything that people see, what is this for me?

610
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: It was a responsibility and I thought, how do I

611
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: rise to that with nothing more than the digital sphere

612
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: because I'm lockdown at home, and how do I show

613
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 2: them what they would get as this Australia if they

614
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: picked me, even without being able to meet people. So

615
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 2: I just got a lot more creative about how I

616
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: used social media and I didn't lie about my circumstances.

617
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: So I ended up moving back home last year and

618
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: I had my mom, my dad, my brother, and I

619
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: just built them into everything I was doing because I'm like,

620
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 2: this is my family, this is who I am.

621
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: You know my dad beautiful?

622
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: I thought, you know what this is? It? Okay, my

623
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: dad's hanging around waiting for me to finish the interview

624
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 2: so he can crash the camera like it was what

625
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: it was, and he ended up making it to the

626
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: National show. I have never seen a titleholders father on

627
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: this universe. I just thought, like, you know what, make

628
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: it your own. And I guess the way that I

629
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: did that was not I'm going to have the most

630
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: beautiful photos. I ended up creating an empowerment series online

631
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: and I showed them. I guess my value and my impact,

632
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: and then when I went to the international competition, I

633
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: guess it's hard to comment on what that was like

634
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: because I never got the stage experience, the meeting the girls.

635
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: But at the international level, I didn't know what to expect,

636
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: and it is very competitive. Where some countries it quite

637
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: literally is their national sport. They have wheel boards, they

638
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: have teams that forty pumping like crazy campaigns because you know,

639
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: it's a very big deal for them. So I'm thinking

640
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 2: here in Australia, where it's not a big deal, and like,

641
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: how do I compete with that? But I'm telling you,

642
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: with determination, will the universe will give you the right people,

643
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: the right opportunities. And it happened anyway. And when I

644
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: got there, the girls were incredible. Because I've never been

645
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: in this arena before. I did not expect to walk

646
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: away with people that I will consider lifelong ference. But

647
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: I did, and I guess to prepare. They asked us,

648
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: how are you preparing? And the best way to describe

649
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: it is, I'm preparing by showing up now as the

650
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: Miss Universe you would get. And that's someone who is

651
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: a change maker, who believes in leadership, who will start

652
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: national and international conversations and facilitate them. So I just

653
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: showed them who I was, and that meant, you know,

654
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: a lot of writing and authoring pieces on racism, equality,

655
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: you know, women's issues, challenging the status quo. It spoken

656
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: national television about that that series that's now being pitched

657
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: as a podcast. It was a lot of work to

658
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: show people I can be a global ambassador. It's not

659
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: just I need to look pretty on stage. So it's

660
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: so much more than people think.

661
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: Well, that's just I think why there's so much national

662
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: pride around you, Like even though it might not be

663
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: the national sport here that it is in say, you know,

664
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: Mexico or some of the American arenas where pageants are

665
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: such a big deal, to see the support rally around you,

666
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: even just on social media, like people who haven't met you,

667
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: don't know you, the outpouring of love and pride, and

668
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: all of us just glued to our phones the day

669
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: that you know, the Top twenty, top ten, like people

670
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: put out of their minds because it's not a vacuous

671
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: beauty only, exterior beauty only competition. Because you, I think

672
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: helped communicate how it can be more than that and

673
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: how you can be more than that. And I love

674
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: that you took Like sometimes it almost reminds me of

675
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: the fake it till you make it, except that I

676
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: don't mean it that way because you weren't fake it.

677
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: But you know, like I think you got so far

678
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: because you didn't like just take it step by step,

679
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: like how can I prove myself right now? You jumped

680
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: straight to what would you get if I was there?

681
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: And you took that energy from the beginning, And that's extraordinary.

682
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: How intelligent of you to approach it that way.

683
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: Well, I need Look, it's very sweet, and I have

684
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: to say I'm so humbled by the social support, the

685
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: Australian support, because when I was first selected, you know,

686
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 2: people didn't really know how I understand, and to see

687
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: that growth, it actually just showed me how hungry the

688
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: Australian community is for that change that I was representing.

689
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,479
Speaker 2: And they supported me, not because of me, but they

690
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 2: knew what I was there to do, and I think

691
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: they understood that and they were on board with it.

692
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: So it says a lot about our country, our national community,

693
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: and the direction we need to go in. So I

694
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: was committed to doing that because I knew that, Okay,

695
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: if this goes that way or it doesn't, whether I

696
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: win or not, I know I want to have a

697
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: really long career driving and championing this anyway. So yeah,

698
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: it was intentional, and I think you should be in

699
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: everything you do in life. I think you should be intentional.

700
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: So was the you know, like creating mind with me

701
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: and that incredible, incredible video that you made that we

702
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: shared like fifty thousand Virginian times? Are they requirements of

703
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: the competition?

704
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 2: Like?

705
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: What is the actual structure? Like there's obviously the walking

706
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: and stuff, So what did you have to do in

707
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: zoom when you did it from here and then when

708
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: you went over? Like what were the stages? Because I

709
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: don't think a lot of it like some of it

710
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: was live, but some of it wasn't. So what did

711
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: you actually have to do? And then what was extra

712
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: that you just took on? Because you're so passionate about

713
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: what you're doing.

714
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: You know, at the Australian level, I think, you know,

715
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 2: respectfully saying this, I think I had a very different

716
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: vision for what a University Australia should be doing to

717
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: maybe what the organization excited to do. And for that

718
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: reason it was very interesting. The lockdown and being separated

719
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: meant that I was able to have a lot of

720
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 2: creative rain and I would kind of go to them

721
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 2: with ideas later and be like, well this is what

722
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: I've done. What do you think And they were like, oh, okay,

723
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 2: that's my directive. Blessed though he backed everything I did,

724
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: but he did have to say to me at one point, Maria,

725
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: you need to ask before you do this, and I'm like, Troy,

726
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: just trust me. I have a vision. Just trust me.

727
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 2: But with Zoom, and you know, doing everything from Zoom,

728
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: they have I guess sponsors that make up this program, right,

729
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: so they want me to make content for the sponsors.

730
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: They want to see that because the way it was

731
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 2: described is can you be put on a morning show

732
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: couch and have a conversation do you stand for something?

733
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: And it's I think there's a culture in pageantry where

734
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: there's a big focus on humanitarian or charity work, so

735
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: everybody has a thing called an advocacy. But that never

736
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: sat well with me, the concept of that, because I

737
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: think that many people pick something and they use it

738
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: in a performative way for the purpose of the pageant

739
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: to say, well, this is my cause that I'm backing.

740
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: So whenever people asked me from the very start, I'm like, well,

741
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: I don't have something I'm going to say, well, this

742
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 2: is mine. I live and breathe diversity inquisivity because that

743
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: comes from my lived experiences. So if you ask me

744
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: what it is, I'm just championing inquisivity for everybody because

745
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 2: I know what it feels like when you're on the sidelines,

746
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: and that extends to many underrepresented communities. So that was

747
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: something I had to get my head around. And one

748
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: thing that I never really felt comfortable doing was thinking, Okay,

749
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: I'm going to go somewhere, do an event and have

750
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: a sash on and a crown and be seen doing

751
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: charity work. So when I thought of well, how am

752
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: I going to show people who I am and what

753
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: I value? I thought, I love to talk. I love conversations,

754
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: and I believed I had a gift and an ability

755
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: to connect people and unify them through dialogue and conversation.

756
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: So that's where Mind with Me was born in the

757
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 2: middle of lock down, because I remember one of my

758
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 2: friends saying to me in the midst of the Black

759
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 2: Lives Matter movement that she was scared to say anything

760
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: on social media. It was around that time that I

761
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 2: think we were seeing a lot of cancel culture for

762
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 2: many different movements, and I personally am of the belief

763
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: that if we want change, if we want to pursue progress,

764
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,959
Speaker 2: people need to be able to talk respectfully about differing perspectives.

765
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: You can't be afraid to use your voice. So that

766
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: was where I created Mind with Me, and it was

767
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: just a passion project that I thought, one day, I

768
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: want this to be its own show and I'm just

769
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: going to do it. So it wasn't for the pageant.

770
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: I'm still doing it now. And then you know, when

771
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: I got to the international level, they would request little

772
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: videos here and there where they'd say, tell us how

773
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: you impacted people in COVID or this, that or the other.

774
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: But I knew what my vision was about changing the

775
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: way people think about Australia and championing diversity, so that

776
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: my Australia video it actually came to me in the

777
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 2: height of being told things like you're not Australian, she

778
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: has no Australian heritage. This is literally a message I

779
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 2: had received. I want to go back to the era

780
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: where Australia sent tall, white, blonde women to Miss Universe,

781
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 2: and you're reading these things often you know they're looking

782
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: and saying that's great that have as Australia just completely lost.

783
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: You know, it's just the best we have. You know,

784
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 2: it's horrifying. It's horrifying that people can say this stuff

785
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: out loud. But I was reading it, reading it, reading it,

786
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: and I thought, I'm going to show you why I

787
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: was selected, and I'm going to show you why I'm

788
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: still going to bring Australia to the top. And that

789
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: video I have to say respectfully, you know, I think

790
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 2: we know that in Australia we have a way to

791
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: go in terms of how we're representing our true diversity

792
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 2: in the mediacre. We don't see it. And when we

793
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: think about Australia, a lot of people internationally, for example,

794
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: we're very surprised to see me because they would openly say,

795
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: when we think of Australia as you know, best exports,

796
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: we think of Margot, Robbie, Chris Hems were serving on

797
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: a beach and I can't swim. I'll start by saying,

798
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: Charlie loves dudes like I would drown in a serving beach.

799
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: Well, that is not a race thing. That is an

800
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: Australian babe. Because you can't swim.

801
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: That's an incompetence thing. Anyway. You know. I thought about

802
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: that and I thought, well, what are people not seeing?

803
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: They are not seeing the Australia that I love, The

804
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: Australia that celebrates First Nations people, the Australia that is

805
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 2: built on immigration. And I wanted to tell that story

806
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: because I think that's what makes us unique. And when

807
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: people internationally would say what's the best contribution of Australia

808
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: to the world, I think we have the opportunity to

809
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 2: show people how amazing the world can be when we

810
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: embrace who we are. And that's what that video was.

811
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: And I wanted to show the Australia I feel so

812
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 2: much pride in and what honestly brings me to take

813
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: like it could make me emotional right now. Its responses

814
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 2: like people saying I haven't seen a tourism campaign that

815
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 2: reflects who we are as accurately as this, And I've

816
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 2: never been more proud to be Australian. To reignite that

817
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 2: feeling of I'm Australian, I'm matter, I'm here, I'm proud,

818
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 2: I think that was one of the highlights. Oh my god,

819
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: it makes me emotional. It makes me emotional because for

820
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: that to be driven by someone who was told she

821
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 2: is an Australian. I think that is a very big

822
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 2: testimony to how important it is to use your experiences

823
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: for service. And that comes back to that Maya Angela.

824
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: We quote absolutely, and I think that is something that

825
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: you're a wonderful ambassador for. As well as just being

826
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: yourself and standing for a cause and defying the odds,

827
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: is just that there is a way to respond to

828
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: doubters and haters and the skeptics, and that is to

829
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: use that as fuel. Obviously it hurts, and obviously it's

830
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: unpleasant and no one would want that, but if it's

831
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: got to come anyway, rather than let it, like we

832
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: talked about before, dictate your decisions and topple you over,

833
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: it's almost like that fueled your fire even more to

834
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: be like, screw you, I am going to prove you're wrong,

835
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: Like I am using this as that, like frustration and

836
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: anger to show you how wrong you are. And I

837
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: love that because I think like if anyone could take

838
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: anything from you, it is that in the moment where

839
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: their self doubt, use that as fuel. Use that as

840
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: fuel to propel you forward in the things that you

841
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: do believe, and that will be way more impactful than

842
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: anything else one.

843
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: And when I think about it, I knew I was

844
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 2: very conscious of the fact that, yes, they were directing

845
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: it at me, but those comments weren't just to me, right,

846
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: They reflected a bigger attitude towards an entire group of

847
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: people in our country. And for that reason, I thought,

848
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: I'm not just doing this for me. I have to

849
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,479
Speaker 2: keep going because other people who dare to challenge the norm.

850
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: I don't want them to look at me, make it

851
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: the start on me to topple. I want them to

852
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: say she did it. I can do it too. And

853
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 2: I think when you get hate, the best thing to

854
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 2: do is to respond with love. Never never stoop to

855
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 2: that level. And it's like, you know what, that'd shove

856
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 2: that positivity, but sorry, that's like I'm you know, aligned

857
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: with you, where joy and love you cannot hate, And

858
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: I cannot thrive around that. It just can't. It can't.

859
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: So I think, you know, that's a very important maxim

860
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: I guess I try to remember and live by.

861
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: I think we're all just so so proud to have

862
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: you as a representative on the global stage because of

863
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: the fact that I didn't realize that none of that

864
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: was compulsory like that wasn't part of the competition. They

865
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: were projects that you took on because they're part of

866
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: what you consider a Miss Australia should do as part

867
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: of her role for the country. How many days were there? Also?

868
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 2: Eleven days?

869
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: What were those eleven days made up of?

870
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: It was crazy and I didn't know this, but normally

871
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: the women go over for a month and it's all

872
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 2: I know. So it's a month of filming for the show.

873
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 2: It's a month of choreography to learn, you know the

874
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 2: dancers that you do. It's practice and you have proper

875
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: walk coaching as well. I saw, yeah, like interviews and

876
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: things with us. It was ten days, Sarah. We would

877
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: get up at five am for thirty five am to

878
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 2: get ready and you had to look at from the

879
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: morning and you might go to breakfast and then get

880
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 2: told at breakfast you need to go and change and

881
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: be ready in an hour. You have a shoot and

882
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: then from the shoot you need to quickly go and

883
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: then it's okay. Now you've got interviews and video filming,

884
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: you've got some downtime, but then you have a shoot

885
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: at eleven pm. Like it was crazy, Oh my god,

886
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 2: I think by the end of it. Girls were so

887
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 2: sleep deprived. People were sleeping at the breakfast table. It was.

888
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: It was and I'll tell you the one day, like

889
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: my most tired day. It was after you know, it

890
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: was like the eleventh day out of like twelve or

891
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 2: whatever it was. And I slept in that day. We

892
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 2: were told being ready at seven thirty for breakfast. It's

893
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: a big day. I woke up at seven thirty.

894
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: Lucky you're in my artist and you could quick click.

895
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 2: And no Sarah. But I didn't do any of that.

896
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what, I'm just going to put

897
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: a bit of misca on. I have the big COVID mask. Anyway,

898
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 2: I had a hoodie on and some jeans. And that

899
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: was not the day to not look cute because I

900
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: was sitting there in rehearsals. They were calling up some

901
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 2: girls sporadically to practice different parts of the competition, so

902
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 2: we all knew what to do if it was us.

903
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: I was sitting there, falling asleep and brushing my hair

904
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 2: like exactly that, raising my hair, falling asleep, and I

905
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: hear them call from the stage, Australia, get up to

906
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: the stage. We need you. So I'm like oh my god.

907
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 2: Through the hair brush run off from the stage and

908
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 2: I'm standing there looking like I've just called out of bed.

909
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: Louise Phonsie is to my right like I'm talking. The

910
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: singer of this Pasita was standing to my right, and

911
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: I was like, are you actually kidding me? Because he

912
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: sung to the top five. So they were practicing what

913
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: to do, and I, what is happening? What is like?

914
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: Why is this happening to me? So I had to

915
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: practice like we would, you know, he'd sing to you,

916
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: and I just my god. It was manic. It was crazy.

917
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 2: The entire time was amazing, and it did challenge you

918
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 2: a lot because you have to keep going and keep

919
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: up spirits and be determined. But you know, I was

920
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 2: up for the challenge. That was good.

921
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So, like you know how in miscargenality

922
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: they have like what would you do in autumn?

923
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 2: Was it this day? What is your idea of the

924
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 2: ideal date? Because like April twenty fifth, tood oh.

925
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: You needed in my check? Did you have questions like

926
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: do you have question time?

927
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: Or so they actually changed the format this particular competition,

928
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: which is really interesting, where normally the top twenty everybody

929
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: gets an opening statement. They usually do a bit of

930
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: a Q and A around the top ten and then

931
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: they have a final statement. But for this competition, in

932
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: this format, they changed at all and they got rid

933
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: of all the speaking to the very end. So you

934
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: needed to make the top five to do a Q

935
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 2: and A. So I got to the top ten and unfortunately, oh,

936
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: you didn't get to get to speak. And that was

937
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 2: the thing I was looking for to most there. I

938
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: am very passionate about speaking. I love public speaking, and

939
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 2: I wanted to get asked something difficult so I could

940
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 2: share my views. And it was pretty disappointing, but I

941
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 2: felt like people worldwide heard my message anyway. Yeah, absolutely,

942
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 2: So they did have the question and answer and in

943
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: a final so they made us practices so I got

944
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 2: to practice it and get up there. But I'm like, okay,

945
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: that's all right, that's okay. I tend to give my

946
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 2: opinions everywhere. Anyways.

947
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: It's one, Well, I love that this is I mean

948
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: absolutely the end of the competition, but the start, only

949
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: the very very beginning for what Maria has to offer

950
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: the world. So what is next? What do you have

951
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: in the pipeline? I feel like you've translated this platform

952
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: into exactly what Miss Universe Australia should do with it.

953
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: You know, you've already just made such incredible headway and

954
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: change in the way we see ourselves and and such

955
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: national pride has come out of it. What do you

956
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: plan to do next?

957
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 2: Thank you? I cannot tell you how it feels to

958
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: have people say the countries behind you, there's national crowd

959
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 2: around what you did, and it's very humbling, and it's

960
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 2: definitely something I want to keep rising to.

961
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: And you said when they'd call out like Australia and you're,

962
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's me all Australia, that's what they

963
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: called me.

964
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 2: You don't have a name, so they just call you

965
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 2: Australia and it is the best feeling. The girls would

966
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: call me Aussie. They'd just be like, Aussie, come here,

967
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 2: and it was just it was the sweetest thing. And

968
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 2: I think to be called by your country when you're progressing,

969
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: you know, top ten or whatever, it's like, that's the

970
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 2: best feeling because I knew, I knew people at home

971
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: were like that's our girl, Like that's amazing. So what's

972
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 2: next is I definitely want to make sure that diversity

973
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: and inclusivity and being public about progress. That is something

974
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: I'm going to be championing or whatever I do. So

975
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 2: I want to get into TV. So that's the next half.

976
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 2: I guess I want to walk. But I also wrote

977
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 2: a kids book in Quarantine, so I want shut look out.

978
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 2: I wrote a kids book in Quarantine, and I want

979
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 2: to now look at how do I get this out there?

980
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: Because it has a very important message.

981
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: I love how we were just talking about, like downtime,

982
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: nice pers. I wrote a Quarantine.

983
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 2: Because I feel like the idea came to me and

984
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: it just it flowed. And I wanted to launch a

985
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 2: podcast as well. So there are a couple of different things,

986
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: but all those mediums going to afford me the ability

987
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: to grow my platform and spread that message.

988
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: So oh, oh my gosh, this is going to be amazing.

989
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: You're so sweet. I know we were just talking about

990
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: brest and relaxation.

991
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: Maybe I wrote an entire book, but like whatever, you know,

992
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: that was just that was day one to three.

993
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 2: Well, it's a kid's book, so it's shorter. It's like

994
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: a primary school aged book. It's definitely more like you know,

995
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: it's a smaller, like a bedtime story kind of book,

996
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 2: but it's still I think it's it's got a great message.

997
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: So I'm really excited about that.

998
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. The nation is so excited.

999
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 2: Voice When you say things like National Bride and the nation,

1000
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 2: it makes me really like, oh my god, like I'm

1001
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 2: really motivated for life.

1002
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,959
Speaker 1: That's what we felt watching you. We were like, that's

1003
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: our girl.

1004
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1005
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: It was so beautiful and I actually I can't imagine

1006
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: how weird it must have been to be that person

1007
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: that everyone's like projecting their Australian love and like we

1008
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: are the best country, We're a lucky country. Yeah, and

1009
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: you were like flying the flag for us. It's just

1010
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: so special.

1011
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 2: Thank you, my love. I think the night that my

1012
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 2: Australia video went live, I think I just cried a

1013
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 2: couple of times when I was reading some of the comments.

1014
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: There's no words to describe how it feels. I love

1015
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: our country. I love who we are at our core,

1016
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: and I want to keep promoting that and celebrating that

1017
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 2: and encouraging that to be what is shown to the

1018
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 2: world because I think, you know, we could do a

1019
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 2: little bit more in that sphere. So I'm very proud

1020
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 2: of who we are and what we're about.

1021
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: And I think one thing you have made very very

1022
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: clear is that the odds can be against you, there

1023
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: can be doubters, and you can go and do something

1024
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 1: that like you stepped on the international stage before you'd

1025
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: even done it here because we didn't have it in Victoria.

1026
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: You can be a complete beginner. You can be an

1027
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: outsider to the pageant. Well, you know, you can start

1028
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: something that you had no experience in and still make enormous,

1029
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: enormost difference to a lot of people. So coming back

1030
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: to that quote of the Ya, you know, to be

1031
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: yourself in a world that's trying to make you something

1032
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: else is such a big accomplishment. What words do you

1033
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: have for anyone else who's maybe a little bit earlier

1034
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: on in their journey back in that sort of Shia

1035
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: Maria stage where you weren't as confident about taking this

1036
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: platform and saying things that maybe won't land as smoothly

1037
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: as other things might. How do you reassure people to

1038
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: go ahead anyway and that it will be okay.

1039
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 2: I think it is so important, and I know it's

1040
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 2: very very difficult. It's very important to try and keep

1041
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: the right people around you first of all. And if

1042
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: you don't have the right people around you, and maybe

1043
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 2: you have friends who are not really your friends, or

1044
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 2: perhaps family are telling you that you can't or you

1045
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 2: should be on another path, you can choose. If you

1046
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 2: can't physically get away, you can choose whether or not

1047
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 2: to internalize their messages. And I know that because I

1048
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 2: did that, it is possible. So when you do that,

1049
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 2: and when you're true to yourself, I do think you

1050
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 2: attract the right people into your life as well. So

1051
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 2: keep a good circle around you and keep telling you self.

1052
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 2: If not you, then who, If it hasn't been done before,

1053
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 2: or if it seems impossible, the odds are against you.

1054
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: I went into that competition without as many resources as

1055
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: other people. That was my first time on a stage,

1056
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 2: the shortest, didn't look hard and still did it like

1057
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,959
Speaker 2: it's you know you can do it. So I hope

1058
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 2: that my example teaches people your internal dialogue is what

1059
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 2: matters the most. Do whatever you can to preserve your

1060
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 2: peace and your internal dialogue, and keep walking your path.

1061
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 2: Know that they will be naysayers whether you're doing the

1062
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: right thing or you're doing the comfortable thing, but be

1063
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: true to yourself because you don't want to betray yourself

1064
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 2: and what your soul and your spirit is pulling you to.

1065
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 2: Like one of the things I'm really excited about, I

1066
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: guess I'll say I was a long time user of Ola,

1067
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 2: for example, the brand, and now have worked with them

1068
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 2: a little bit, but have renewed, you know, a role

1069
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 2: as an ambassador for them. Seeing myself as the face of,

1070
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: you know, an international brand in the Australian sphere. Something

1071
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 2: like that would have seemed impossible, and I would have

1072
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 2: been really shy to put myself out there as well.

1073
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 2: But I think when you are true to yourself and

1074
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 2: your values, the right people and opportunities will come along.

1075
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 2: So it's thinking of well, that seems impossible. We'll look

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00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: at some of the things that I've done and no, no,

1077
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 2: it's not. It's not impossible for you and your internal

1078
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 2: dialogue really matters.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I can close the podcast now forever

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00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: because you just said everything that's about.

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00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 2: And on that note, you will never hear from us again.

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00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 1: We cannot stop. That cannot be topped. The final part

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00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: of this segment is your recommendation, which is a movie

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00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: or a book, or a show or something that you

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00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: watch lately, guessing that we've all had a bit more

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00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 1: time to actually consume material recently that made you smile

1087
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,959
Speaker 1: and that you know you think we all should watch.

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00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: So mine would obviously be your my Australia video. I

1089
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: think every Alienne should watch that, so I will definitely

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00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 1: include a link in the show notes. What about something

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00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: that you've enjoyed?

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00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 2: Okay, there are two things I'm going to share. One

1093
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 2: is a book. This book quite literally changed my life

1094
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: and I revisited parts of it while I was in quarantine.

1095
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,240
Speaker 2: It's the power of now. I know so many people

1096
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 2: would have spoken about it, but it's for the reason

1097
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 2: that it really does help you understand how you view

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00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: the world and where you fit and then transcending conditioning

1099
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 2: that tells you you're not enough, and it reminds you

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00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: you belong to something bigger, whatever your spiritual beliefs. I

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00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: think it helps you get into a mindset where you're

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00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 2: in control and you're powerful. And it makes me happy

1103
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 2: because it reminds me that I am different to anybody,

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00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 2: we're equal, and we're all deserving of love, belonging, and

1105
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 2: success and happiness. So that book made me happy. But Also,

1106
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 2: there was a Super Soul Sunday episode of Oprah's I'm

1107
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 2: just going to say, Oprah is my queen, like all

1108
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 2: hail the Queen.

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00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: I feel like you could legitimately be interviewed Bythrah, Like

1110
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,240
Speaker 1: that's going to happen. Manifesting this, it's going to happen.

1111
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: I'm putting it out there.

1112
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: I have talked about her on so many podcasts. It

1113
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 2: if it ever does happen, she's going to say, you

1114
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 2: have an unhealthy obsession with me, And at least I'm

1115
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: grieved up. But I'm like, I know a bad girl.

1116
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 2: I know about everybody in your life.

1117
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: You got it out there right, like you know, let's

1118
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 1: manifest it. We're putting it out to the university Oprah

1119
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: in podcast land.

1120
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 2: Here that's I love you and dubbed me I love it.

1121
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 2: Be my mom, I considering my other mother.

1122
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: So, friends, you just were in a deep relationship. You

1123
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: just don't know about it. But it's it's actually fine.

1124
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 2: If you're actually listening to any of this, please do

1125
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 2: not be turned off and love me anyway. So I

1126
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 2: feel that she is incredible and she's definitely someone I

1127
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 2: consider a mentor. I think you can have people in

1128
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 2: your life or mentors. I'll tell you why. Jay Shaddy

1129
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 2: talks about how you can have teachers in your life

1130
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 2: and mentors that you know and those who are not

1131
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 2: close to you that can be mentors. And I realized

1132
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 2: after I said, adopt me. Now this sounds weird.

1133
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: She's actually my mentor. Again, she doesn't know, she doesn't

1134
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: know I.

1135
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 2: Exist, but we have conversations in my head and all

1136
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 2: the time they're really great. She loves me. I called her, Oh,

1137
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 2: I call her so I was my mentor, no jokes.

1138
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,919
Speaker 2: Is I consider her someone I've learned from in that

1139
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: I think she's an incredible storyteller and she has beautiful messages.

1140
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 2: And she had this one particular conversation. If you go

1141
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 2: on YouTube you can find it. And it was when

1142
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 2: I was feeling like I was at a little bit

1143
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 2: of a crossroads. It was a few months ago, and

1144
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 2: it was about intuition and your path and your purpose.

1145
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: She's talking to a woman called Carolyn Miss and they're

1146
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: chatting about exactly that. And it made me smile because

1147
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 2: she talks about how no matter what's going on in

1148
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 2: your life, if you feel like something's happening, that it

1149
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 2: shouldn't be happening to me, or that was meant to me,

1150
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,959
Speaker 2: or whatever it is. It talks about you never being

1151
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 2: off the path, and sometimes you're redirected. So we cause

1152
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 2: ourselves unnecessary suffering when we're chasing a life that we

1153
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 2: think is meant for us instead of being open to Well,

1154
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 2: maybe that's not an alignment, right. It offered beautiful perspectives,

1155
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: very empowering perspectives, and it made me smile. I love it.

1156
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I feel like you and I could

1157
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: like if we actually ru in a room together, we

1158
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: just smile and laugh and smile and be positive, and

1159
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: the whole room would just explode.

1160
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 2: It would explode and then it would and like people,

1161
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 2: I think, if you don't like positivity, like the epitome

1162
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 2: of everything you hate about.

1163
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 1: The world, Just like, can you guys just show the

1164
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: fuck up?

1165
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: Like you actually make me dry reaching you're activating my

1166
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 2: gag reflex. There's a lot of strange things, like for

1167
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 2: anyone listening, you know what, I am a little strange,

1168
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 2: but things about like psychologically thinking Oprah's my mentor in

1169
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 2: my life, and the gag reflex, like please don't judge,

1170
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,720
Speaker 2: I'm a really I'm quite normal.

1171
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,959
Speaker 1: There is no normal. I mean, like, baby, you've listened

1172
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: to the show, you know that we're all just so

1173
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: weird in our own special way. But that's why it's

1174
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: so much fun. It's the wish that's the funnest.

1175
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 2: Oh God, I should have known the conversation would have

1176
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 2: been that way. When you showed me your Harry Potter pants,

1177
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can be myself around this woman.

1178
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean it's it's my pole jumper with my

1179
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: dog on it. I love it, my Harry Potter pjs.

1180
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:25,959
Speaker 2: I'm here for it. Yeah.

1181
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: I mean that was in like the first three minutes

1182
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:28,919
Speaker 1: of our chat, and.

1183
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 2: I think that's a good note, so i'd great.

1184
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so so much for jumping on and

1185
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: sharing so generously, my love, and I'm so excited for

1186
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: you that today's your last day in a hotel. I'm

1187
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 1: sorry that you're not getting out to complete freedom, but

1188
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: just thank you so much for everything you're doing for

1189
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: our beautiful country, representing it so beautifully. We're all so

1190
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: proud of you and inspired by you, and I'm just

1191
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: so grateful you came on the show.

1192
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful to be here. I'm smiling here to

1193
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 2: hear if you can't tell, and I just you know,

1194
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 2: hearing it from Sarah's it means everything very much.

1195
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: And I actually been your mentor all this time and

1196
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: I didn't know.

1197
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 2: Now, how's a good time to tell you we've actually

1198
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 2: been best friends. We about three years.

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00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: So I felt it in my waters. It's you already.

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00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 2: Thank you for being the best best friend I ever had.

1201
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: So I knew when you were doing your final interview

1202
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: that you were like, I just want to thank Sarah. Yeah.

1203
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've heard of this lawyer turned entrepreneur,

1204
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: but she is the reason I am blue woman I

1205
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: am today. She invented me.

1206
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: That's totally why you made a top ten putting it

1207
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: out there.

1208
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 2: I absolutely adore you. I'm going to listen to this

1209
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 2: and cringe and laugh and be inspired all at once,

1210
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 2: and thank you for having me.

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00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: What a little powerhouse. I cannot wait to see what

1212
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: comes next from Maria. I think she has such a

1213
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: bright future ahead. As always, if you enjoyed, please do

1214
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: shower her with love and do the yaghborhood proud, sharing

1215
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: any insights or takeaways you had, or even if you

1216
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: get to watch my Australia video, sharing your insights and

1217
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: what you thought, and tagging at Maria Thattil of course

1218
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: and CZDA so we can keep growing the neighborhood as

1219
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: far and wide as possible. As I mentioned, all the

1220
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: links are in the show notes. Please do check it out.

1221
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: It's just I can't get enough of this woman and

1222
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: her amazing work, and don't forget This coming weekend eleventh

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00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: to the thirteenth of June is the Relief Run, the

1224
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: global virtual run that we started last year to help

1225
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: the Australian Bush buy a relief and have revived this

1226
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: year to help World Vision's COVID nineteen India fund. You

1227
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: can hear more about it two years of Our Lives

1228
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: episodes ago, and I'll include links in the show notes.

1229
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: We have just had David Beckham come out and speak

1230
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: in support of everyone pounding the pavement around the world

1231
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: for this incredibly important cause and some other amazing ambassadors.

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00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: But I won't ramble on here as you've already had

1233
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: a full episode about it, So to the link in

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01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: show notes and you can do it from anywhere anytime

1235
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: next weekend, so please get on board. Hope you're having

1236
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: a wonderful week and are seizing your yea