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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mamma Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on.

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Speaker 3: Hello there, I am Jesse Stevens and welcome to No Filter.

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Speaker 3: I know I'm not the voice you're used to, and

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Speaker 3: I too am disappointed not to hear the beautiful tones

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Speaker 3: of the brilliant Kaylane Brook, but I shoved her out

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Speaker 3: of her seed this week for a very special occasion.

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Speaker 3: It has been eighteen months since Australia was first introduced

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Speaker 3: to Evelyn Jones, the woman trying to build a digital

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Speaker 3: media company from the ground up while keeping her personal

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Speaker 3: life from falling apart. Evelyn is, of course, the main

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Speaker 3: character of the comedy drama series Strife, which broke first

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Speaker 3: day and first.

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Speaker 4: Week viewing records for Binge. Now.

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Speaker 3: Strife is back for a second season, inspired by the

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Speaker 3: book works Balance by co founder and chief creative officer

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Speaker 3: of Mum and Maya, as well as the previous host

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Speaker 3: of No Filter, Maya Friedman. In this special episode, I'm

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Speaker 3: joined by Maya herself, actor Ashaketti, who plays Evelyn, and

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Speaker 3: Bruna Papendrea, executive producer and founder of production company Made

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Speaker 3: up stories. We reflect on season one, including Maya's personal

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Speaker 3: spiral around the premiere, and explore what's coming in season two,

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Speaker 3: which drops this Thursday, May eight. But more than that,

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Speaker 3: we unpack what it means to be a creative woman

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Speaker 3: in this industry, because so many of the storylines in

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Speaker 3: Strife mirror what happens in real life to all of

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Speaker 3: us as writers, produces, actors, and more broadly, as women.

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Speaker 3: We talk about the three c's, competition, comparison, and cancelation.

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Speaker 3: We dig into the tension between public and private life

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Speaker 3: in the digital age, something we all navigate, especially as

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Speaker 3: women whose experiences are off and up for public consumption.

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Speaker 3: And of course we talk about ambition. In a room

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Speaker 3: women had a lot to say about how the world reacts.

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Speaker 4: When women want more. Here are Maya, Asher and Bruna.

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Speaker 3: Let's begin with the impact of season one, right because

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Speaker 3: that broke records for the most streamed show I think

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Speaker 3: on binge in Australia ever. Just from my mother, Ye, Bruna,

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Speaker 3: did you expect Strife to be that successful?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: An, Well, you've clearly got a good instinct.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I haven't made anything that wasn't a hit. No,

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Speaker 5: that was a joke. No movies, not TV shows. Not

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Speaker 5: TV shows, that's right, not late, that's rude movies. Yes,

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Speaker 5: I mean again, I think we all made it because

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Speaker 5: it's always just the most beautiful surprise when something does

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Speaker 3: One of the key sort of themes of this season

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Speaker 3: of season two is competitiveness, Right, Brina, I'm sure you're

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Speaker 3: not competitive at all?

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Speaker 4: A sure are you competitive?

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Speaker 6: Only as much as oh my god, I mean we

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Speaker 6: At all with uh we meetach other. No, we're not

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Speaker 6: we're not competitive. We're certainly not with each other, but

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Speaker 6: I mean that's competitive in a way.

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Speaker 5: And I find I do find in Hollywood that like,

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Speaker 5: But I don't think there's enough of it. I actually

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Speaker 5: I do think I have a healthy competitiveness one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: How about Maya, because this strife is obviously, you know,

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Speaker 3: loosely based on the book that you wrote, and it's

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Speaker 3: true that over the course of Mum Maya there have

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Speaker 3: been rival publications that have been set up quite explicitly

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Speaker 7: Years, so well, I'm a monster when it comes to

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Speaker 7: also see how it drives me. And it's interesting the

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Speaker 7: also being self critical.

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Speaker 7: I'm always even when I was in magazines and rivals

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Speaker 7: used to start up against us, and so much more

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Speaker 7: since starting Muma Maya, we've We've had every major media

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Speaker 7: But what I learned is that you can't drive forward

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Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you as well, Maya, about season

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Speaker 3: and of course Asher plays Evelyn, who is not you,

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Speaker 3: but it was seen as something that was influenced by

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Speaker 4: What happened? Why do you think you had such a

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Speaker 7: So even though the show was so much about you know,

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Speaker 7: I didn't I didn't have any way to process it

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Speaker 4: A while, and you didn't know how people were coming

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Speaker 7: What was delightful is that the conversation wasn't about me. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And a lot of that had to do with Asher,

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Speaker 6: I wanted her to still be under siege as she

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Speaker 6: like actually right off the bat, which is why we

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Speaker 1: I wanted to build on that.

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Speaker 6: We all did so that it became relatable on a

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Speaker 3: I mean, it feels like that's never been more relevant

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Speaker 4: How have you found that, Asher, Because you're you're a real.

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Speaker 7: and then what you need to do for commercial realities

439
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Speaker 7: and all that juggling act that you have to have

440
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Speaker 7: to make between compromise, compromise, compromise. How do you retain

441
00:23:32,685 --> 00:23:34,125
Speaker 7: the integrity of what you want to do and what

442
00:23:34,165 --> 00:23:37,525
Speaker 7: your company stands for versus the commercial realities of having

443
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Speaker 7: to keep the lights on? Of course, you know, Bernie,

444
00:23:39,565 --> 00:23:41,805
Speaker 7: you must go through that all the time. There must

445
00:23:41,805 --> 00:23:43,365
Speaker 7: be a million things that you want to produce, but

446
00:23:43,445 --> 00:23:45,205
Speaker 7: you know there's just not a big enough audience for it,

447
00:23:45,205 --> 00:23:46,005
Speaker 7: a funding for it.

448
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no, I do. And I think that's my

449
00:23:49,765 --> 00:23:52,645
Speaker 5: interest was so much. I think in telling this story

450
00:23:52,805 --> 00:23:55,365
Speaker 5: was dictated by that. I think I've said this before,

451
00:23:55,925 --> 00:23:58,645
Speaker 5: but the reason I wanted to make this show is

452
00:23:58,645 --> 00:24:00,925
Speaker 5: because when I did No Filter go how many years

453
00:24:00,925 --> 00:24:03,605
Speaker 5: ago the first time, and I walked into the office

454
00:24:03,605 --> 00:24:05,565
Speaker 5: and I saw all these women sitting there and like

455
00:24:05,605 --> 00:24:07,845
Speaker 5: how big it was and what she'd created. And as

456
00:24:07,885 --> 00:24:11,805
Speaker 5: someone who's created something, we're like a tiny when we

457
00:24:11,925 --> 00:24:13,965
Speaker 5: make a show. It's hundreds of people right now, but

458
00:24:14,085 --> 00:24:18,205
Speaker 5: our company itself is like fifteen people. But you know,

459
00:24:18,325 --> 00:24:21,405
Speaker 5: I think people really truly, it's so easy to take

460
00:24:21,805 --> 00:24:25,525
Speaker 5: people for people to kind of attack and criticize, but

461
00:24:25,685 --> 00:24:29,685
Speaker 5: no one has any idea what God is required. Particularly

462
00:24:29,725 --> 00:24:32,205
Speaker 5: in the last few years, we've you know, as business owners,

463
00:24:32,205 --> 00:24:35,165
Speaker 5: we've wear that a pandemic were we wear the various

464
00:24:35,205 --> 00:24:38,605
Speaker 5: work stoppages in the US, and it's really stressful and

465
00:24:38,645 --> 00:24:41,085
Speaker 5: it's you know, and also it's really hard to create

466
00:24:41,125 --> 00:24:45,325
Speaker 5: something from nothing. So easy for people now oh everyone

467
00:24:45,405 --> 00:24:48,685
Speaker 5: has you know, everyone can go and do this thing,

468
00:24:48,725 --> 00:24:50,765
Speaker 5: but it's really hard, not just to build a business,

469
00:24:50,765 --> 00:24:53,325
Speaker 5: but to build a sustainable business and to evolve a business.

470
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Speaker 5: I mean, that's the thing about the video component, Like

471
00:24:55,925 --> 00:24:58,125
Speaker 5: you just have to keep evolving. You have people, people

472
00:24:58,245 --> 00:25:02,765
Speaker 5: are finding things in different ways. When we make TV shows,

473
00:25:03,085 --> 00:25:04,765
Speaker 5: we have to do everything we can for people to

474
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Speaker 5: watch them. Where that's you know, the premiere's evolved, you know,

475
00:25:08,645 --> 00:25:12,925
Speaker 5: necessarily in the maths and you just have to find

476
00:25:12,925 --> 00:25:15,645
Speaker 5: a way because you know, the only thing that matters

477
00:25:15,725 --> 00:25:18,285
Speaker 5: once you've actually you know, put all your work into

478
00:25:18,285 --> 00:25:20,685
Speaker 5: making something is like trying to get people to watch it.

479
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Speaker 7: What I loved about the start of season two was

480
00:25:25,285 --> 00:25:29,445
Speaker 7: like the kickoff when you know, the executive producers all

481
00:25:29,485 --> 00:25:33,405
Speaker 7: sat down and talked about all the characters and where,

482
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Speaker 7: what who we wanted to see more of, what kind

483
00:25:36,925 --> 00:25:39,165
Speaker 7: of things we wanted to explore for them, And that

484
00:25:39,325 --> 00:25:42,205
Speaker 7: was just such. I mean, the whole thing's been just

485
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Speaker 7: a gift for me in terms of watching people at

486
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Speaker 7: the top of their game. I've just been like sitting

487
00:25:46,445 --> 00:25:49,165
Speaker 7: there eating popcorn for most of it. But I loved

488
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Speaker 7: the understanding that like Brunner and Asher and the other

489
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Speaker 7: executive producers and particularly Sarah Scheller, who's our executive producer

490
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Speaker 7: and chief writerer, they all had spoke about the characters

491
00:26:03,525 --> 00:26:06,365
Speaker 7: as if they were real and the ideas they had

492
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Speaker 7: for the explorations.

493
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Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, it's like make believe. I loved it.

494
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And there's a protection I suppose, as you know,

495
00:26:15,005 --> 00:26:17,325
Speaker 3: someone who wrote on this, but also as a viewer

496
00:26:17,445 --> 00:26:20,325
Speaker 3: of Evelyn right because we know her, we know her context,

497
00:26:20,365 --> 00:26:23,005
Speaker 3: we know her family life, and in that way, I'm

498
00:26:23,045 --> 00:26:26,925
Speaker 3: interested Bruna too, getting to know this story more and

499
00:26:27,005 --> 00:26:34,445
Speaker 3: exploring her whole character. If you see pylons, cancelation, trolling,

500
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Speaker 3: I mean there's been cases just in the last week

501
00:26:37,285 --> 00:26:39,125
Speaker 3: where you see people and you go, oh, she's not

502
00:26:39,205 --> 00:26:43,205
Speaker 3: having a good time. This week has being a part

503
00:26:43,205 --> 00:26:44,845
Speaker 3: of this show changed.

504
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Speaker 4: How you see that. Have you thought about it more,

505
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Speaker 4: have you noticed it more?

506
00:26:47,485 --> 00:26:51,045
Speaker 5: Oh? Yeah, totally. I mean, well I've just noticed it

507
00:26:51,125 --> 00:26:54,765
Speaker 5: being in the world. Yeah, anyone else. I mean, you know,

508
00:26:54,925 --> 00:26:58,085
Speaker 5: it's kind of this it's a crazy time. And I

509
00:26:58,085 --> 00:26:59,965
Speaker 5: mean you asked ask you that question before. But like

510
00:27:00,085 --> 00:27:04,085
Speaker 5: I'm I have so much kind of you know, empathy

511
00:27:04,205 --> 00:27:07,405
Speaker 5: for people who put themselves out there. And that's one

512
00:27:07,445 --> 00:27:09,645
Speaker 5: of the things I think I just said to me

513
00:27:09,805 --> 00:27:12,525
Speaker 5: before because I'm starting to kind of you know, do

514
00:27:12,605 --> 00:27:14,885
Speaker 5: lots of content, just talk about the things I do

515
00:27:14,965 --> 00:27:17,245
Speaker 5: more and talk about things I'm interested in. And one

516
00:27:17,285 --> 00:27:18,645
Speaker 5: of the things I will never do is talk about

517
00:27:18,685 --> 00:27:22,325
Speaker 5: things I don't like, Yes, because I just think I

518
00:27:22,405 --> 00:27:24,925
Speaker 5: know how much work goes into something. I don't care

519
00:27:24,965 --> 00:27:26,965
Speaker 5: if I didn't like it or enjoy the experience of

520
00:27:27,005 --> 00:27:29,805
Speaker 5: reading or watching something. For me, I'll only talk about

521
00:27:29,885 --> 00:27:33,445
Speaker 5: things that I love because I do feel that. I

522
00:27:33,525 --> 00:27:36,285
Speaker 5: just feel that the world needs optimism right now. And

523
00:27:36,325 --> 00:27:38,645
Speaker 5: I think, particularly in our business, I don't know what

524
00:27:38,685 --> 00:27:41,045
Speaker 5: message we're sending to young people like we you know,

525
00:27:41,085 --> 00:27:42,645
Speaker 5: we just felt like we could do anything when we

526
00:27:42,685 --> 00:27:45,765
Speaker 5: were younger, and I feel like in our business it's

527
00:27:45,805 --> 00:27:48,205
Speaker 5: already hard to access it and to find a way in.

528
00:27:48,885 --> 00:27:51,445
Speaker 5: And now the world's just you know, the media is

529
00:27:51,485 --> 00:27:54,445
Speaker 5: just like more companies, you know, laying people off. You know, yes,

530
00:27:54,565 --> 00:27:56,005
Speaker 5: is it getting harder to make a TV show at

531
00:27:56,005 --> 00:27:58,445
Speaker 5: one hundred percent? But you know, is it going to

532
00:27:58,485 --> 00:28:00,045
Speaker 5: evolve and a young people are going to be able

533
00:28:00,045 --> 00:28:02,565
Speaker 5: to rise one hundred percent? So you know, I just

534
00:28:02,645 --> 00:28:05,685
Speaker 5: feel like it is our job to you know, kind

535
00:28:05,685 --> 00:28:09,445
Speaker 5: of protect that in a way, because yeah, it's so

536
00:28:09,525 --> 00:28:13,365
Speaker 5: much easier right clickbait to get ahead like a headline

537
00:28:13,365 --> 00:28:15,845
Speaker 5: and to cancel someone right there, to have a conversation.

538
00:28:16,085 --> 00:28:17,845
Speaker 4: It's so easy to write a shiit review.

539
00:28:18,085 --> 00:28:20,605
Speaker 3: It's so easy. I've got the same policy. I will

540
00:28:20,605 --> 00:28:22,965
Speaker 3: never say a book I didn't like television show. I

541
00:28:23,005 --> 00:28:24,205
Speaker 3: just think it's better just shut up.

542
00:28:24,285 --> 00:28:28,365
Speaker 6: Yeah, you love what you have, that's right, Lift up

543
00:28:28,405 --> 00:28:30,805
Speaker 6: what you love, what inspire, what's inspiring.

544
00:28:31,005 --> 00:28:33,605
Speaker 4: There's enough content, Like it's fine, leave the other stuff alone.

545
00:28:33,605 --> 00:28:34,325
Speaker 4: It's not for you.

546
00:28:34,765 --> 00:28:37,965
Speaker 3: But mea I'm interested with the trolling element, which is

547
00:28:38,525 --> 00:28:40,725
Speaker 3: a big thing in season two, is that Evelyn has

548
00:28:40,765 --> 00:28:42,285
Speaker 3: her sort of own own troll.

549
00:28:42,965 --> 00:28:44,605
Speaker 4: What's been your experience of that and how.

550
00:28:44,525 --> 00:28:47,365
Speaker 3: It's evolved over the years because you've had one troll,

551
00:28:47,405 --> 00:28:48,925
Speaker 3: I'm sure you've had two.

552
00:28:49,165 --> 00:28:50,525
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's actually.

553
00:28:50,125 --> 00:28:52,925
Speaker 7: Got better for me personally, it's got better. I mean,

554
00:28:52,965 --> 00:28:55,565
Speaker 7: I'm sure there's somewhere that I can't see them, but.

555
00:28:55,765 --> 00:28:56,885
Speaker 5: I've got a fake name.

556
00:29:00,925 --> 00:29:02,845
Speaker 7: I don't know how much of it is that I

557
00:29:03,005 --> 00:29:06,925
Speaker 7: give less fucks. And I don't read comments because I

558
00:29:07,005 --> 00:29:10,365
Speaker 7: mean sometimes I do, but I think that you learn

559
00:29:10,405 --> 00:29:12,565
Speaker 7: early on. You know, I've been working in digital media

560
00:29:12,685 --> 00:29:14,605
Speaker 7: for seventeen years, and it's not normal to know what

561
00:29:14,645 --> 00:29:16,285
Speaker 7: everyone thinks about you twenty four seven.

562
00:29:16,325 --> 00:29:19,685
Speaker 2: It's just not and it's not normal to be able.

563
00:29:19,485 --> 00:29:21,325
Speaker 7: To say what you think about everything and for have

564
00:29:21,485 --> 00:29:24,685
Speaker 7: those people read it. Like we're not designed for that.

565
00:29:25,285 --> 00:29:30,205
Speaker 7: And so I always am very separate. I don't do

566
00:29:30,325 --> 00:29:33,245
Speaker 7: anything for the response. I do it because I think

567
00:29:33,245 --> 00:29:35,645
Speaker 7: it's the right thing, and then I back myself. It's

568
00:29:35,645 --> 00:29:39,805
Speaker 7: not to say I'm always right, but if I'm in

569
00:29:39,845 --> 00:29:43,845
Speaker 7: a way disinterested from if I write anything personal or

570
00:29:43,885 --> 00:29:47,965
Speaker 7: disclose anything personal, not really interested in what people think

571
00:29:47,965 --> 00:29:49,485
Speaker 7: about it. I did it because I thought it could

572
00:29:49,485 --> 00:29:51,445
Speaker 7: help some people. It helped me process it. That's why

573
00:29:51,485 --> 00:29:55,765
Speaker 7: I put it out there. Yeah, so you know you listen,

574
00:29:56,005 --> 00:29:59,405
Speaker 7: but you don't listen too hard, if that makes sense, Ashua.

575
00:29:59,485 --> 00:30:00,405
Speaker 4: Do you read reviews?

576
00:30:02,765 --> 00:30:11,685
Speaker 6: And yes, I read the good ones, so yeah, yeah

577
00:30:11,685 --> 00:30:15,125
Speaker 6: I do. Yeah, I mean I missed quite a lot

578
00:30:15,165 --> 00:30:15,645
Speaker 6: of press.

579
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Speaker 1: I have to say.

580
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Speaker 6: You know, there was a whole bunch of articles that

581
00:30:19,365 --> 00:30:22,885
Speaker 6: were sent to us yesterday collectively, and I looked, I

582
00:30:22,925 --> 00:30:25,605
Speaker 6: scanned all of them, went oh, I didn't know about that,

583
00:30:25,725 --> 00:30:27,525
Speaker 6: and I didn't know about this, and all right, I

584
00:30:27,525 --> 00:30:30,285
Speaker 6: was so and so and done that, and I read

585
00:30:30,285 --> 00:30:33,205
Speaker 6: a few reviews in there, and yeah.

586
00:30:33,005 --> 00:30:33,365
Speaker 1: I do.

587
00:30:33,565 --> 00:30:36,525
Speaker 6: I mean, I've just I don't mind what people think.

588
00:30:36,605 --> 00:30:37,485
Speaker 6: I really don't.

589
00:30:37,685 --> 00:30:40,405
Speaker 4: I've never read a scaping.

590
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Speaker 6: The only thing that ever impacted me was when I

591
00:30:43,085 --> 00:30:47,085
Speaker 6: was starting out in the theater at the MTC and

592
00:30:47,165 --> 00:30:49,885
Speaker 6: I had a whole it was sort of like the

593
00:30:49,925 --> 00:30:51,845
Speaker 6: third or fourth play I've ever done, right, And I

594
00:30:52,045 --> 00:30:54,125
Speaker 6: mean I had ten solid years in the theater there,

595
00:30:54,805 --> 00:30:58,285
Speaker 6: and I had all these fantastic reviews and the show

596
00:30:58,525 --> 00:31:01,365
Speaker 6: was being well accepted, well received, and then there was

597
00:31:01,405 --> 00:31:06,805
Speaker 6: one review that said, look, it was the smallest criticism

598
00:31:07,085 --> 00:31:10,565
Speaker 6: about one scene that I performed in the entire play,

599
00:31:11,045 --> 00:31:14,165
Speaker 6: and it really got me, and it really hurt and

600
00:31:14,245 --> 00:31:16,765
Speaker 6: I couldn't understand, and I let it impact on me.

601
00:31:16,965 --> 00:31:20,325
Speaker 6: I let it affect me and actually how I approached

602
00:31:20,325 --> 00:31:24,245
Speaker 6: the performance. Wow, So that's scary with theater because you've

603
00:31:24,245 --> 00:31:25,645
Speaker 6: got to go out there the next night and do it.

604
00:31:25,685 --> 00:31:26,685
Speaker 1: You haven't just delivered it.

605
00:31:26,765 --> 00:31:28,245
Speaker 4: Rhy. Do you think that impacted you?

606
00:31:28,285 --> 00:31:28,325
Speaker 5: So?

607
00:31:28,925 --> 00:31:31,125
Speaker 6: I think because I was really young, to be honest,

608
00:31:31,165 --> 00:31:37,125
Speaker 6: and I still hadn't I still hadn't found my center

609
00:31:37,365 --> 00:31:39,965
Speaker 6: in any way as an actor or as a woman,

610
00:31:40,085 --> 00:31:42,565
Speaker 6: or you know. I was twenty four, twenty three, twenty four.

611
00:31:43,485 --> 00:31:47,165
Speaker 6: But since that I did realize though, through the course

612
00:31:47,205 --> 00:31:50,245
Speaker 6: of the running of that play and performing it, that

613
00:31:50,365 --> 00:31:53,245
Speaker 6: is that is a complete and utter waste of my time.

614
00:31:53,325 --> 00:31:55,365
Speaker 6: And I'm not going to do that moving forward. And

615
00:31:55,405 --> 00:31:57,845
Speaker 6: I've never done it. I've never done it since because

616
00:31:57,845 --> 00:32:00,845
Speaker 6: it really hurt me someone else's opinion. I don't know

617
00:32:00,845 --> 00:32:03,685
Speaker 6: who that person was. I can't I remember their name now, but.

618
00:32:04,525 --> 00:32:05,605
Speaker 1: It was one person.

619
00:32:06,085 --> 00:32:06,725
Speaker 4: Don't do this.

620
00:32:07,005 --> 00:32:09,205
Speaker 6: If that's how you're going to feel, don't do that.

621
00:32:09,405 --> 00:32:11,125
Speaker 6: Don't do this, don't choose to do it.

622
00:32:11,125 --> 00:32:13,965
Speaker 7: Because acting is about a lot of rejection. Any creative

623
00:32:14,045 --> 00:32:16,405
Speaker 7: you right, you get rejected.

624
00:32:17,165 --> 00:32:19,645
Speaker 5: I get rejected. I got rejected a lot when we

625
00:32:19,725 --> 00:32:22,245
Speaker 5: knew each other in my twenties getting it. I never

626
00:32:22,285 --> 00:32:22,965
Speaker 5: got rejected.

627
00:32:23,005 --> 00:32:27,765
Speaker 7: Then no, I reviews, it's got great reviews.

628
00:32:27,845 --> 00:32:32,605
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's for another whole podcast on its own. No

629
00:32:32,805 --> 00:32:36,285
Speaker 5: review thing is really interesting, and I think because I

630
00:32:36,325 --> 00:32:38,885
Speaker 5: of course you want good reviews, right, But I have

631
00:32:39,085 --> 00:32:41,245
Speaker 5: seen so many times with my own work, the stuff

632
00:32:41,245 --> 00:32:44,765
Speaker 5: that has really worked for me commercially is not always

633
00:32:44,765 --> 00:32:47,525
Speaker 5: the stuff that the critics have embraced, because I think

634
00:32:47,645 --> 00:32:51,405
Speaker 5: sometimes people feel that something's super commercial. Well that's possibly,

635
00:32:51,605 --> 00:32:53,765
Speaker 5: and also, don't forget the metrics are still that like

636
00:32:53,805 --> 00:32:59,645
Speaker 5: most reviewers are older white men. It is awful because

637
00:33:00,125 --> 00:33:03,525
Speaker 5: you know they are not necessarily the audience for what

638
00:33:03,645 --> 00:33:06,845
Speaker 5: we're all doing, not necessarily, and they will that they're personal.

639
00:33:06,925 --> 00:33:08,565
Speaker 5: Like that's the only thing that annoys me when I

640
00:33:08,605 --> 00:33:10,925
Speaker 5: read a review. When it's you can really feel like

641
00:33:10,925 --> 00:33:13,445
Speaker 5: it's an attack and you're like, come on, you can

642
00:33:13,525 --> 00:33:14,845
Speaker 5: have this, you can have an opinion, you.

643
00:33:14,805 --> 00:33:17,645
Speaker 3: Can So does that sting if you feel like it

644
00:33:17,725 --> 00:33:20,285
Speaker 3: has gone into like they've played the person rather than.

645
00:33:20,205 --> 00:33:22,005
Speaker 5: Yeah, it stings, but in a way that I'm like,

646
00:33:22,045 --> 00:33:24,765
Speaker 5: I kind of like, don't I mean I also, I've

647
00:33:24,765 --> 00:33:27,485
Speaker 5: been doing it long enough that I just don't think

648
00:33:27,525 --> 00:33:29,765
Speaker 5: you can you know, you can't worry about it. I

649
00:33:30,165 --> 00:33:32,325
Speaker 5: pay more attention to how many people are watching and

650
00:33:32,405 --> 00:33:34,285
Speaker 5: the women that come up to us, all the men

651
00:33:34,285 --> 00:33:36,245
Speaker 5: that come up to us after they've seen the show.

652
00:33:36,445 --> 00:33:38,725
Speaker 5: The best reviewer you will live again is when someone

653
00:33:38,725 --> 00:33:40,045
Speaker 5: comes up to you on the street and that's, oh

654
00:33:40,125 --> 00:33:41,485
Speaker 5: my god. I'd like, I had a girl come up

655
00:33:41,525 --> 00:33:43,365
Speaker 5: to meet a party reason because my god, I just

656
00:33:43,405 --> 00:33:45,045
Speaker 5: love it. You know, I love so much what you

657
00:33:45,125 --> 00:33:46,885
Speaker 5: do and it just meant so much to me, this

658
00:33:47,005 --> 00:33:49,485
Speaker 5: young woman because I was like, well, that's my that's

659
00:33:49,525 --> 00:33:52,165
Speaker 5: my audience. But I will say because I was in

660
00:33:52,325 --> 00:33:55,205
Speaker 5: La recently and Faye just came out in the UK,

661
00:33:55,725 --> 00:33:58,605
Speaker 5: and I'm such a super fan of like Asher and

662
00:33:58,645 --> 00:34:00,885
Speaker 5: Image and that, I was like email. I was like

663
00:34:00,925 --> 00:34:02,685
Speaker 5: trying to just collect all the good ones because I

664
00:34:02,725 --> 00:34:02,845
Speaker 5: was like.

665
00:34:02,845 --> 00:34:04,125
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what if they're seeing this?

666
00:34:04,245 --> 00:34:07,245
Speaker 5: And I was so excited And that's what I mean. Yeah,

667
00:34:06,725 --> 00:34:09,245
Speaker 5: I mean, do I wish I produce that show? Sure?

668
00:34:09,605 --> 00:34:12,445
Speaker 5: And they asked me, no, they did not. Am I

669
00:34:12,525 --> 00:34:16,005
Speaker 5: working with them both on something else? Yes? You know,

670
00:34:16,165 --> 00:34:19,125
Speaker 5: because but I just you know, that's that's where I'm

671
00:34:19,125 --> 00:34:21,165
Speaker 5: not competitive, but I do have professional jealousy.

672
00:34:21,245 --> 00:34:22,245
Speaker 1: That's okay, that's helped me.

673
00:34:22,285 --> 00:34:24,325
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're very happy for the people I love.

674
00:34:24,405 --> 00:34:26,445
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, but it doesn't stop you from putting it

675
00:34:26,445 --> 00:34:29,205
Speaker 6: out there all over social media and saying, look what

676
00:34:29,285 --> 00:34:29,965
Speaker 6: my friends did.

677
00:34:30,045 --> 00:34:32,845
Speaker 1: I'm so proud. Like you are the best in that way.

678
00:34:33,045 --> 00:34:35,765
Speaker 4: If you want good recommendations, follow Brune on Instagram. Shit, yeah,

679
00:34:36,005 --> 00:34:36,605
Speaker 4: very very good.

680
00:34:36,805 --> 00:34:38,565
Speaker 5: Can I just say something about just you made me

681
00:34:38,565 --> 00:34:41,445
Speaker 5: think of something before about putting your opinions out there.

682
00:34:41,525 --> 00:34:44,605
Speaker 5: One of the reasons that I love Out Loud so

683
00:34:44,765 --> 00:34:48,285
Speaker 5: much is because you're all you'll have quite different opinions,

684
00:34:48,725 --> 00:34:51,805
Speaker 5: and like, I love the conversation and I've found myself

685
00:34:51,845 --> 00:34:53,445
Speaker 5: in the car so many times it's so new to

686
00:34:53,485 --> 00:34:55,685
Speaker 5: me where I'm like, I wanted to call Jesse up

687
00:34:55,725 --> 00:34:57,685
Speaker 5: and goes, oh my god, you are so right, I

688
00:34:57,725 --> 00:35:04,485
Speaker 5: hate and then the other ones where I'm like, Jesse,

689
00:35:05,085 --> 00:35:06,205
Speaker 5: you you don't understand.

690
00:35:06,605 --> 00:35:08,285
Speaker 2: Yeah, understand that all the time.

691
00:35:08,405 --> 00:35:11,365
Speaker 5: I was right about that. But it's an amazing forum

692
00:35:11,405 --> 00:35:15,245
Speaker 5: that you created because it because you were putting your

693
00:35:15,285 --> 00:35:18,045
Speaker 5: opinions out there, but because it's in context and in conversation.

694
00:35:18,885 --> 00:35:21,365
Speaker 5: I think it's like, it's kind of an amazing way

695
00:35:21,405 --> 00:35:22,005
Speaker 5: to heat.

696
00:35:21,845 --> 00:35:24,245
Speaker 7: And it's very different to writing an opinion story, which

697
00:35:24,365 --> 00:35:27,525
Speaker 7: Jesse and I don't do anymore. We've spent a lot

698
00:35:27,525 --> 00:35:30,725
Speaker 7: of years like everybody else who was working women's maybe online,

699
00:35:30,725 --> 00:35:33,045
Speaker 7: which which is so much of what season two talks

700
00:35:33,045 --> 00:35:36,645
Speaker 7: about putting yourself out there. You know, those years around

701
00:35:36,885 --> 00:35:41,205
Speaker 7: the mid twenty teens were when you had to have

702
00:35:41,245 --> 00:35:44,685
Speaker 7: strong opinions and you had to have them fast, and

703
00:35:44,925 --> 00:35:47,565
Speaker 7: you had to do personal essays about things that are

704
00:35:47,645 --> 00:35:51,045
Speaker 7: really intimate, things that have happened to you. And that

705
00:35:51,205 --> 00:35:54,565
Speaker 7: was what the Internet demanded at the time, and we

706
00:35:54,645 --> 00:35:57,965
Speaker 7: certainly published a lot of that, and we would. I

707
00:35:57,965 --> 00:36:00,485
Speaker 7: think that's part of why we're more boundary now. It's

708
00:36:00,525 --> 00:36:04,045
Speaker 7: not that time anymore, and a lot of us got really,

709
00:36:04,085 --> 00:36:06,365
Speaker 7: really burnt and we explore that and.

710
00:36:06,565 --> 00:36:09,525
Speaker 6: It's dangerous, which we explore in the season two. It

711
00:36:10,085 --> 00:36:12,325
Speaker 6: can be become extremely.

712
00:36:12,285 --> 00:36:15,285
Speaker 7: Good for the person who's who's putting it out there.

713
00:36:15,445 --> 00:36:20,325
Speaker 7: Podcasts are different, but writing that stuff we all learnt

714
00:36:20,805 --> 00:36:21,685
Speaker 7: by trial and error.

715
00:36:21,885 --> 00:36:22,765
Speaker 1: Yeah, what it could do.

716
00:36:23,005 --> 00:36:25,445
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you Brune about because this as

717
00:36:25,565 --> 00:36:29,245
Speaker 3: series is also a lot about ambition, as was Season one,

718
00:36:29,525 --> 00:36:32,485
Speaker 3: and as someone who has lived and worked in the

719
00:36:32,565 --> 00:36:35,645
Speaker 3: US and in Australia, people talk about tall poppy syndrome.

720
00:36:36,205 --> 00:36:37,765
Speaker 4: Is ambition different in Australia?

721
00:36:37,885 --> 00:36:40,285
Speaker 3: Is it something that do the Evelyn Jones Is get

722
00:36:40,285 --> 00:36:42,565
Speaker 3: punished in Australia in a way they wouldn't in Americas.

723
00:36:43,405 --> 00:36:45,725
Speaker 5: I mean, I've noticed it having been gone twenty years,

724
00:36:46,565 --> 00:36:50,085
Speaker 5: and there is definitely a tall poppy is a real thing.

725
00:36:51,285 --> 00:36:53,285
Speaker 5: I even found it when I came back. It was

726
00:36:53,325 --> 00:36:56,925
Speaker 5: like write in Covid and it was Gladys and Anastasia

727
00:36:56,965 --> 00:37:03,165
Speaker 5: where the premier premiers the premieres, and I even found

728
00:37:03,245 --> 00:37:05,845
Speaker 5: like watching like the media, the way they pitted them

729
00:37:05,845 --> 00:37:09,125
Speaker 5: against each other. I was like, what is this place like?

730
00:37:10,165 --> 00:37:12,965
Speaker 5: And it was just interesting. And I do find that

731
00:37:13,085 --> 00:37:15,205
Speaker 5: ambitions is not a dirty word in America. I think

732
00:37:15,285 --> 00:37:17,125
Speaker 5: that's one of the reasons I really always wanted to

733
00:37:17,165 --> 00:37:20,165
Speaker 5: go live in America is because they don't care. They

734
00:37:20,285 --> 00:37:22,365
Speaker 5: don't really care where you came from or you've done. Like,

735
00:37:22,445 --> 00:37:25,205
Speaker 5: if you work hard and you know you're kind of

736
00:37:25,205 --> 00:37:28,165
Speaker 5: good at what you do, they will let you rise,

737
00:37:28,325 --> 00:37:31,405
Speaker 5: you know, And I think that you know, having kind

738
00:37:31,445 --> 00:37:34,445
Speaker 5: of grown up in that system and then come back here.

739
00:37:34,485 --> 00:37:38,565
Speaker 5: I'm definitely much more reticent to, you know, put myself

740
00:37:38,605 --> 00:37:42,765
Speaker 5: out there here and say, you know, it is different here.

741
00:37:42,805 --> 00:37:45,525
Speaker 5: I think, yes, Australia, because I think people, I just

742
00:37:45,565 --> 00:37:48,005
Speaker 5: feel like someone's going to, you know, if it's weird,

743
00:37:48,245 --> 00:37:49,445
Speaker 5: is people are going to.

744
00:37:49,805 --> 00:37:55,845
Speaker 6: Occasionally in an interview I get asked about this, and

745
00:37:55,925 --> 00:37:59,405
Speaker 6: I always find it mildly insulting from being really honest.

746
00:38:00,125 --> 00:38:03,045
Speaker 6: Why didn't you go and try your luck in Hollywood?

747
00:38:04,005 --> 00:38:06,525
Speaker 6: Why haven't you gone and worked overseas?

748
00:38:06,525 --> 00:38:07,525
Speaker 1: Why didn't you do that?

749
00:38:08,125 --> 00:38:12,205
Speaker 6: Why didn't you take the opportunity unities if you offered them? Well,

750
00:38:12,245 --> 00:38:14,925
Speaker 6: because I have had an incredible path here in my

751
00:38:14,965 --> 00:38:19,205
Speaker 6: own country. Every project I've worked on, I've believed in

752
00:38:19,285 --> 00:38:22,405
Speaker 6: and I've really wanted to make. I mean that's rare,

753
00:38:22,805 --> 00:38:26,005
Speaker 6: you know for an actor I've had.

754
00:38:26,525 --> 00:38:27,205
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be.

755
00:38:27,205 --> 00:38:30,605
Speaker 6: Too much to ask for to be acknowledged for that success,

756
00:38:30,765 --> 00:38:35,165
Speaker 6: the successful light of life I've built here as in

757
00:38:35,205 --> 00:38:40,325
Speaker 6: my industry, As opposed to questioning why I didn't do

758
00:38:40,405 --> 00:38:42,045
Speaker 6: it on an international scale, I mean.

759
00:38:42,045 --> 00:38:43,125
Speaker 2: Are you somehow disappointed?

760
00:38:43,205 --> 00:38:46,565
Speaker 6: It's somehow disappointed or something. I find it an interesting

761
00:38:46,645 --> 00:38:50,125
Speaker 6: question I understand the curiosity. I mean, the great answer

762
00:38:50,165 --> 00:38:52,845
Speaker 6: to it now is, look, the streaming services have changed

763
00:38:52,885 --> 00:38:56,045
Speaker 6: everything in our work does now push out internationally fabulous?

764
00:38:56,085 --> 00:38:58,725
Speaker 6: It's so great, So we can be in this incredible

765
00:38:58,765 --> 00:39:02,285
Speaker 6: country and work. You know, But it's an interesting question

766
00:39:02,325 --> 00:39:05,285
Speaker 6: to try and answer without feeling not good enough or

767
00:39:05,925 --> 00:39:06,365
Speaker 6: I don't know.

768
00:39:06,645 --> 00:39:08,365
Speaker 7: Is there ever a moment where it's like I've got

769
00:39:08,405 --> 00:39:10,245
Speaker 7: to make a decision do I go to stay?

770
00:39:10,805 --> 00:39:11,045
Speaker 1: Yeah?

771
00:39:11,605 --> 00:39:13,645
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I've spoken to you to you about

772
00:39:13,685 --> 00:39:14,805
Speaker 6: it then.

773
00:39:14,845 --> 00:39:16,885
Speaker 2: I probably was one of the ones that asked that, No,

774
00:39:17,005 --> 00:39:17,445
Speaker 2: you didn't.

775
00:39:17,565 --> 00:39:18,325
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know.

776
00:39:18,845 --> 00:39:21,085
Speaker 6: Just it's an all question. It's a question that just

777
00:39:21,085 --> 00:39:23,485
Speaker 6: gets last all the time. It just you just sparked

778
00:39:23,605 --> 00:39:24,525
Speaker 6: that thought then.

779
00:39:24,485 --> 00:39:26,965
Speaker 4: And there is an inherent there was a disrespect about

780
00:39:26,965 --> 00:39:30,005
Speaker 4: actually what Australia means. It's devaluing.

781
00:39:30,485 --> 00:39:32,445
Speaker 6: Well, I just don't want it to devalue the work

782
00:39:32,445 --> 00:39:33,165
Speaker 6: that we make here.

783
00:39:33,245 --> 00:39:33,445
Speaker 5: Yeah.

784
00:39:33,525 --> 00:39:34,885
Speaker 1: I think the work we make here.

785
00:39:34,845 --> 00:39:37,485
Speaker 6: Is great, and I think the work that the productions

786
00:39:37,525 --> 00:39:41,045
Speaker 6: I've been involved with here are memorable. People still talk

787
00:39:41,085 --> 00:39:43,565
Speaker 6: about them twenty years later. Love my Wife is an example.

788
00:39:44,925 --> 00:39:47,925
Speaker 6: Can we not talk about appreciating the stuff that we

789
00:39:48,005 --> 00:39:50,965
Speaker 6: have made Yeah. Anyway, it's an interesting thing, and that

790
00:39:51,045 --> 00:39:52,725
Speaker 6: sounds maybe I've got a bit of a chip on

791
00:39:52,725 --> 00:39:56,205
Speaker 6: my shoulder about that topic. But again, you know, there

792
00:39:56,285 --> 00:39:59,485
Speaker 6: was a moment where, yes, there was a clear choice.

793
00:39:59,525 --> 00:40:02,325
Speaker 6: I was on a plane to New York pretty quickly

794
00:40:02,365 --> 00:40:07,765
Speaker 6: after Offspring and very excited. I was very much alone,

795
00:40:08,525 --> 00:40:11,365
Speaker 6: had no response abilities. I was I was going to

796
00:40:11,365 --> 00:40:14,365
Speaker 6: go and live overseas, but just to see what it

797
00:40:14,405 --> 00:40:16,765
Speaker 6: felt like. And I had some connections over there, I

798
00:40:16,845 --> 00:40:19,245
Speaker 6: got an agent or whatever, and then I met Vincent

799
00:40:19,325 --> 00:40:23,005
Speaker 6: and Luca, and the choice was very clear to me

800
00:40:23,245 --> 00:40:27,005
Speaker 6: to stay. And within literally within a month, I was

801
00:40:27,045 --> 00:40:31,485
Speaker 6: offered another incredible show here to do, and I thought, Okay,

802
00:40:31,525 --> 00:40:32,565
Speaker 6: well that's just what I'm doing.

803
00:40:32,765 --> 00:40:37,005
Speaker 1: I mean, that's life, isn't it. Those parts.

804
00:40:40,885 --> 00:40:43,845
Speaker 3: There is more to my conversation with the team behind

805
00:40:43,845 --> 00:40:47,725
Speaker 3: Strife after this shortbreak. We talk about the balls they

806
00:40:47,765 --> 00:40:49,365
Speaker 3: feel they are currently dropping.

807
00:40:57,525 --> 00:41:00,365
Speaker 4: I wanted to ask sort of about.

808
00:41:00,045 --> 00:41:02,805
Speaker 3: Your relationship as well, Brenna and Ashat, because you've this

809
00:41:02,845 --> 00:41:04,245
Speaker 3: is not the first project you've worked on.

810
00:41:04,325 --> 00:41:05,885
Speaker 4: I don't think it'll be the last one. Lessons, but

811
00:41:06,005 --> 00:41:06,605
Speaker 4: being some kind.

812
00:41:06,525 --> 00:41:11,205
Speaker 5: Of few no falling out here, there's been a major

813
00:41:11,205 --> 00:41:11,965
Speaker 5: of you to feel.

814
00:41:17,525 --> 00:41:19,965
Speaker 4: What I want to know is Asher, why do you

815
00:41:20,005 --> 00:41:20,765
Speaker 4: like working with Bruna?

816
00:41:21,405 --> 00:41:25,085
Speaker 2: What is about Bruno? I know it's hard to.

817
00:41:26,765 --> 00:41:28,485
Speaker 1: The other way.

818
00:41:28,725 --> 00:41:30,405
Speaker 6: No, it's easy to talk about in front of her

819
00:41:30,445 --> 00:41:32,045
Speaker 6: because she knows that I feel like this.

820
00:41:32,925 --> 00:41:35,925
Speaker 1: We just text you know, I love you. I love

821
00:41:35,965 --> 00:41:39,805
Speaker 1: you more yesterday from different countries because.

822
00:41:39,845 --> 00:41:42,405
Speaker 7: We came to that too, because there was a photo

823
00:41:42,405 --> 00:41:44,445
Speaker 7: of me and Asha together and I just brought up

824
00:41:44,485 --> 00:41:47,045
Speaker 7: with Bruno being I love you because.

825
00:41:46,925 --> 00:41:49,165
Speaker 6: We can be like that with each other now. Because

826
00:41:49,205 --> 00:41:51,525
Speaker 6: do you know what that is? That is trust? So

827
00:41:52,005 --> 00:41:55,645
Speaker 6: my favorite thing about Bruna is that really and truly

828
00:41:56,765 --> 00:41:59,845
Speaker 6: heart is on sleeve and she wants to say something

829
00:41:59,885 --> 00:42:02,405
Speaker 6: to She's going to say it right to anyone, don't.

830
00:42:02,205 --> 00:42:04,325
Speaker 1: Matter who you are. But if you're her.

831
00:42:06,365 --> 00:42:11,605
Speaker 6: Professional partner and friend, the level of trust that you

832
00:42:11,765 --> 00:42:14,205
Speaker 6: ask for and the investment that you ask for, I

833
00:42:14,205 --> 00:42:15,885
Speaker 6: think this is what I like the most because I

834
00:42:15,925 --> 00:42:18,685
Speaker 6: really understand it and I need it too. The level

835
00:42:18,725 --> 00:42:23,325
Speaker 6: of investment that you ask for, the commitment, the rigor is,

836
00:42:26,045 --> 00:42:28,845
Speaker 6: it's it's really straight. That's that's that's what I wanted.

837
00:42:29,125 --> 00:42:31,085
Speaker 6: That's the way Bruna likes to work that's the way

838
00:42:31,125 --> 00:42:33,285
Speaker 6: I like to work too. So this is like a

839
00:42:33,325 --> 00:42:35,845
Speaker 6: match made in heaven. Really, we just go. We just

840
00:42:35,885 --> 00:42:38,845
Speaker 6: meet each other and it's easy, and we know we

841
00:42:38,965 --> 00:42:43,765
Speaker 6: do generally align as well, like our opinion, our taste

842
00:42:43,885 --> 00:42:50,205
Speaker 6: in drama and people and themes is very similar. Then

843
00:42:50,245 --> 00:42:52,285
Speaker 6: Steve steps in the middle and goes middle of us

844
00:42:52,325 --> 00:42:54,965
Speaker 6: and I don't know, but how about this we've shut

845
00:42:55,085 --> 00:42:55,445
Speaker 6: up the.

846
00:42:57,445 --> 00:42:59,165
Speaker 1: No, we don't. He's got an amazing if you mean

847
00:42:59,205 --> 00:43:00,725
Speaker 1: too always how.

848
00:43:00,685 --> 00:43:02,645
Speaker 4: About you, Brunow? Why do you love working with Ashaston?

849
00:43:02,805 --> 00:43:03,165
Speaker 2: I don't.

850
00:43:03,245 --> 00:43:04,325
Speaker 5: This is in the last week.

851
00:43:04,525 --> 00:43:05,085
Speaker 2: I'm kidding.

852
00:43:05,645 --> 00:43:08,525
Speaker 5: I mean obviously we met, you know on the first

853
00:43:08,565 --> 00:43:10,845
Speaker 5: time we work together was Nine Perfect Strangers. I was

854
00:43:10,845 --> 00:43:13,325
Speaker 5: a die hard Offspring fan, Like was the only show

855
00:43:13,325 --> 00:43:16,045
Speaker 5: Stephen I watched together, and I was probably getting it,

856
00:43:16,245 --> 00:43:18,005
Speaker 5: Like I should never say this out loud, I'm going

857
00:43:18,045 --> 00:43:19,885
Speaker 5: to say publicly, like I think my mother was sending

858
00:43:19,925 --> 00:43:21,605
Speaker 5: it to me because I couldn't get it in America

859
00:43:21,645 --> 00:43:23,245
Speaker 5: at that time, and I was like, You've got to

860
00:43:23,285 --> 00:43:26,085
Speaker 5: send me Offspring. So I was such a die hard fan.

861
00:43:26,325 --> 00:43:29,245
Speaker 5: And then when we came to casting that major role

862
00:43:29,245 --> 00:43:31,645
Speaker 5: in Nine Perfect Nicole also was a die hard fan,

863
00:43:32,165 --> 00:43:34,445
Speaker 5: So that was like that that's where the kind of

864
00:43:34,685 --> 00:43:38,005
Speaker 5: you know, that first time working together was so special

865
00:43:38,045 --> 00:43:41,205
Speaker 5: also because it was during COVID and you know, playing

866
00:43:41,205 --> 00:43:43,885
Speaker 5: this astounding role. And then I mean, I am a

867
00:43:43,885 --> 00:43:47,685
Speaker 5: person who if I love working with someone, I will

868
00:43:47,725 --> 00:43:49,045
Speaker 5: do it over and over.

869
00:43:49,245 --> 00:43:50,285
Speaker 4: Yeah you have favorite s.

870
00:43:50,645 --> 00:43:53,685
Speaker 5: Yeah I do have particular favorites, but what I love

871
00:43:53,765 --> 00:43:57,885
Speaker 5: is you know, and then obviously Lost Flowers happened, and

872
00:43:58,165 --> 00:44:00,605
Speaker 5: Asher also had previous relationship with Glendon, so you know,

873
00:44:00,725 --> 00:44:02,965
Speaker 5: there was this that was kind of an amazing experience.

874
00:44:03,605 --> 00:44:06,125
Speaker 5: But I remember strife and I was like, oh, going

875
00:44:06,205 --> 00:44:07,925
Speaker 5: to want to do something it's more comedic, and I

876
00:44:07,925 --> 00:44:09,565
Speaker 5: was kind of reticent to bring it up. And then

877
00:44:10,045 --> 00:44:12,045
Speaker 5: she's like, well, you know, I remember like being on

878
00:44:12,085 --> 00:44:13,685
Speaker 5: set with you and You're like, yeah, of course, like

879
00:44:13,725 --> 00:44:15,285
Speaker 5: of course I'll read it, Like why wouldn't I read it?

880
00:44:15,325 --> 00:44:18,645
Speaker 5: And like I was like kind of overjoyed. But I

881
00:44:18,725 --> 00:44:21,805
Speaker 5: feel the same way. I mean number one, and add

882
00:44:21,925 --> 00:44:25,125
Speaker 5: Sarah Sheller to this mix because she is we are

883
00:44:25,165 --> 00:44:27,885
Speaker 5: all very so I'm probably the oldest, but like you know,

884
00:44:27,925 --> 00:44:31,005
Speaker 5: I am the oldest, but we're in the same We're

885
00:44:31,045 --> 00:44:33,965
Speaker 5: in the same kind of age bracket as a mayor,

886
00:44:34,645 --> 00:44:36,965
Speaker 5: and it is such a gre It's so great when

887
00:44:36,965 --> 00:44:40,805
Speaker 5: everyone's having the same conversation. But I will tell you,

888
00:44:40,805 --> 00:44:43,565
Speaker 5: you know, I worked with many actors producing, and I've

889
00:44:43,565 --> 00:44:45,285
Speaker 5: been really lucky that I've had a lot of repeat

890
00:44:45,285 --> 00:44:47,925
Speaker 5: relationships with actors who are in something producing. But no

891
00:44:47,965 --> 00:44:51,685
Speaker 5: one works harder than national as a producer and as

892
00:44:51,725 --> 00:44:54,565
Speaker 5: an actor. No one is more prepared, no one cares

893
00:44:54,565 --> 00:44:57,965
Speaker 5: more like I mean, she's like, we're an edit, You're

894
00:44:57,965 --> 00:45:02,645
Speaker 5: like she I mean, I'll be struggling to remember the footage, like,

895
00:45:02,725 --> 00:45:05,325
Speaker 5: oh my god, maybe we should use that shop. But

896
00:45:05,445 --> 00:45:08,205
Speaker 5: I'm not. I'm good on big picture, but on specifics.

897
00:45:08,405 --> 00:45:13,445
Speaker 5: This one, no, every single frame of every shot. You know,

898
00:45:13,565 --> 00:45:15,765
Speaker 5: she has instincts about how something should sound, how something

899
00:45:15,805 --> 00:45:18,365
Speaker 5: should feel. You know, she wants to support and bring

900
00:45:18,445 --> 00:45:20,645
Speaker 5: up other people. So she's an amazing producer, which is

901
00:45:20,685 --> 00:45:23,485
Speaker 5: why we're doing lots more of it, because even beyond

902
00:45:23,525 --> 00:45:25,285
Speaker 5: and that's why I was so happy when I saw Fake,

903
00:45:25,325 --> 00:45:29,165
Speaker 5: honestly and a little bit jealous because is a really

904
00:45:29,165 --> 00:45:32,805
Speaker 5: good producer, because it just you could see a much

905
00:45:32,845 --> 00:45:35,045
Speaker 5: love and care. I don't think that's what people underestimate

906
00:45:35,205 --> 00:45:39,525
Speaker 5: a lot of every there's thousands and thousands of tiny decisions.

907
00:45:39,045 --> 00:45:42,125
Speaker 6: That got moment by moment by moment. It's so important

908
00:45:42,125 --> 00:45:44,045
Speaker 6: to me. It would sit on these calls and be.

909
00:45:43,965 --> 00:45:47,725
Speaker 5: Like, I just kill want to call you out.

910
00:45:48,205 --> 00:45:54,445
Speaker 3: Literally goes like I just on these calls.

911
00:45:54,885 --> 00:45:58,445
Speaker 7: I muted myself because they go on like but this

912
00:45:58,605 --> 00:46:01,645
Speaker 7: is what's so amazing is that you guys just don't

913
00:46:01,765 --> 00:46:05,285
Speaker 7: you like your level of attention to detail and endurance.

914
00:46:05,805 --> 00:46:07,925
Speaker 7: Like I'll watch it the first time and I'll go

915
00:46:08,045 --> 00:46:09,605
Speaker 7: that was it good, and I've got a couple notes,

916
00:46:09,645 --> 00:46:09,965
Speaker 7: But then.

917
00:46:09,845 --> 00:46:11,565
Speaker 2: You have to watch it like twenty more times.

918
00:46:12,045 --> 00:46:13,965
Speaker 7: And so then there'd be these long zooms and this

919
00:46:14,085 --> 00:46:16,445
Speaker 7: one zoom we were on and there were all these

920
00:46:16,445 --> 00:46:19,005
Speaker 7: people's and I just was like doing something else, and

921
00:46:19,045 --> 00:46:23,205
Speaker 7: then Bruns talking and then I just heard but I

922
00:46:23,245 --> 00:46:24,765
Speaker 7: want to hear what Maya thinks about that?

923
00:46:25,205 --> 00:46:29,805
Speaker 2: And I spent like a little child like this, and

924
00:46:29,845 --> 00:46:32,725
Speaker 2: I raised my head. Do I try and fake it

925
00:46:32,965 --> 00:46:34,605
Speaker 2: or like I have no idea. I hadn't been listened.

926
00:46:37,125 --> 00:46:39,965
Speaker 2: I've just actually been my email. I'm so sorry.

927
00:46:40,005 --> 00:46:44,885
Speaker 7: I'm so bored that sorry.

928
00:46:44,605 --> 00:46:45,365
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.

929
00:46:45,325 --> 00:46:47,405
Speaker 2: I'm so bored. You guys are amazing.

930
00:46:47,525 --> 00:46:50,285
Speaker 7: I just I'm just I'm looking at my emails because

931
00:46:50,325 --> 00:46:53,845
Speaker 7: I'm so bored. So nice they didn't throw to me ever, again,

932
00:46:53,885 --> 00:47:00,445
Speaker 7: it was great and you were but the level of

933
00:47:00,645 --> 00:47:02,645
Speaker 7: and of course they're working on lots of other projects

934
00:47:02,645 --> 00:47:06,045
Speaker 7: at the time, you know, and they have that attention

935
00:47:06,205 --> 00:47:08,885
Speaker 7: to detail and working as a group.

936
00:47:08,645 --> 00:47:10,645
Speaker 1: The details, the fun.

937
00:47:10,085 --> 00:47:15,765
Speaker 7: That's job You've got that is totally understand things too.

938
00:47:16,205 --> 00:47:18,405
Speaker 5: But that is our main Yeah, to be fair.

939
00:47:18,685 --> 00:47:24,485
Speaker 3: My final question was about so your book work balance

940
00:47:24,885 --> 00:47:30,165
Speaker 3: called you wanted to call it balances bullshit originally, Yeah,

941
00:47:30,485 --> 00:47:35,165
Speaker 3: And I wanted to ask, so you're all married, you've

942
00:47:35,205 --> 00:47:36,885
Speaker 3: got kids, you've got big jobs.

943
00:47:37,485 --> 00:47:41,445
Speaker 4: What ball or balls are are you currently dropping? How

944
00:47:41,645 --> 00:47:47,965
Speaker 4: is balanced failing you in this moment? Maya, What are

945
00:47:48,005 --> 00:47:49,125
Speaker 4: you doing badly at the moment?

946
00:47:50,405 --> 00:47:54,525
Speaker 2: Oh, there's not enough bandwidth on the internet. List of things?

947
00:47:55,925 --> 00:47:56,885
Speaker 2: What am I doing badly?

948
00:47:57,005 --> 00:47:59,845
Speaker 7: I'm failing as a daughter, I'm failing as a daughter

949
00:47:59,885 --> 00:48:00,285
Speaker 7: in law.

950
00:48:00,525 --> 00:48:04,565
Speaker 2: I'm failing as a wife. I'm failing as a mother. Yeah,

951
00:48:04,645 --> 00:48:07,525
Speaker 2: usually pretty much. I'm failing as a homemaker.

952
00:48:08,005 --> 00:48:11,925
Speaker 7: I'm probably failing as a bar like I don't feel great.

953
00:48:11,725 --> 00:48:13,325
Speaker 2: About myself most of the time.

954
00:48:13,805 --> 00:48:17,165
Speaker 1: This makes me sad hearing this, not in.

955
00:48:17,165 --> 00:48:21,325
Speaker 7: A torture like not, but it's but I'm pretty exciting

956
00:48:21,525 --> 00:48:24,365
Speaker 7: of the fact that I shouldn't stay failing, but I

957
00:48:24,485 --> 00:48:27,445
Speaker 7: feel inadequate. But I'm also like kind of used to that,

958
00:48:28,165 --> 00:48:30,445
Speaker 7: and I just think that's the default. And that's why

959
00:48:30,485 --> 00:48:33,485
Speaker 7: balance is bullshit, because if the expectation is that you

960
00:48:33,485 --> 00:48:36,005
Speaker 7: should be balanced, when you're not, you feel like you're failing.

961
00:48:36,045 --> 00:48:39,525
Speaker 2: So I've internalized it, and in actual fact, I'm just

962
00:48:39,565 --> 00:48:40,245
Speaker 2: doing my best.

963
00:48:40,485 --> 00:48:42,885
Speaker 4: Women are dropping countless balls every day. It's just what

964
00:48:43,085 --> 00:48:44,285
Speaker 4: ball you choose to drop.

965
00:48:45,245 --> 00:48:47,605
Speaker 6: That's right or multiple. I mean, I'm the same. I

966
00:48:48,085 --> 00:48:50,045
Speaker 6: don't I know what you mean about the feeling like

967
00:48:50,085 --> 00:48:54,085
Speaker 6: you're failing. I have daily moments like that, no matter

968
00:48:54,085 --> 00:48:56,485
Speaker 6: what area it is, and I think, oh, gosh, you

969
00:48:56,645 --> 00:49:01,565
Speaker 6: just could have Why didn't you just do that differently?

970
00:49:01,605 --> 00:49:05,085
Speaker 6: With Voul the teen year old who's a boy as

971
00:49:05,125 --> 00:49:08,245
Speaker 6: well and experiencing really interesting things at the moment, Why

972
00:49:08,325 --> 00:49:10,565
Speaker 6: couldn't you have done it different? What was it that

973
00:49:11,485 --> 00:49:16,205
Speaker 6: made you attack that in a certain way. I do

974
00:49:16,285 --> 00:49:18,165
Speaker 6: this all the time as a parent, there's no doubt

975
00:49:18,205 --> 00:49:21,605
Speaker 6: about it. But also in all those different ways you

976
00:49:21,725 --> 00:49:24,285
Speaker 6: just mentioned. But I just think the whole thing is simple.

977
00:49:24,485 --> 00:49:28,285
Speaker 6: The balance thing is completely elusive. It's absolute bullshit. I

978
00:49:28,285 --> 00:49:31,445
Speaker 6: couldn't agree more. I don't reach for it anymore. I

979
00:49:31,485 --> 00:49:34,045
Speaker 6: feel so much better that I don't as well, because God,

980
00:49:34,085 --> 00:49:37,125
Speaker 6: I was trying to when I first became a mother,

981
00:49:37,165 --> 00:49:40,725
Speaker 6: in particular in my early forties, I was desperate for

982
00:49:40,845 --> 00:49:44,245
Speaker 6: no one to see that I was in any way

983
00:49:44,845 --> 00:49:48,245
Speaker 6: challenged or struggling or I mean, I just it's such

984
00:49:48,245 --> 00:49:51,205
Speaker 6: a relief to not apologize for it anymore.

985
00:49:51,045 --> 00:49:53,005
Speaker 1: Because it's not real. We can't do it.

986
00:49:53,005 --> 00:49:55,965
Speaker 6: We've got to drop the expectations completely.

987
00:49:56,285 --> 00:49:58,045
Speaker 4: How about you, Brune, I even never failed anything.

988
00:49:58,085 --> 00:50:02,285
Speaker 5: I mean, it is my favorite subject because I balance

989
00:50:02,325 --> 00:50:05,045
Speaker 5: as bullshit, and I talk about it all the time,

990
00:50:05,845 --> 00:50:08,685
Speaker 5: and oh, I think I fail all the time. I think.

991
00:50:08,765 --> 00:50:11,125
Speaker 5: I mean, my my kids would tell you. They would say, like,

992
00:50:11,205 --> 00:50:13,245
Speaker 5: because I'm on. I mean, I've just been away from them,

993
00:50:13,285 --> 00:50:15,925
Speaker 5: for I just got back yesterday and I've not been

994
00:50:15,965 --> 00:50:19,365
Speaker 5: in Sydney since March twentieth. Now my kids came to

995
00:50:19,365 --> 00:50:21,765
Speaker 5: see me. But I think you have to. I think

996
00:50:21,765 --> 00:50:24,165
Speaker 5: you cannot thrive at one thing and not something else

997
00:50:24,205 --> 00:50:26,525
Speaker 5: doesn't stuffer. So for me, I've been really focused on

998
00:50:26,565 --> 00:50:28,325
Speaker 5: my health because as you and I both have whatever

999
00:50:28,365 --> 00:50:30,725
Speaker 5: you and stuff, so we have to focus on that.

1000
00:50:31,365 --> 00:50:33,965
Speaker 5: For years, I didn't, and I was trying to be

1001
00:50:34,005 --> 00:50:36,085
Speaker 5: a mother and I was trying to run my company,

1002
00:50:36,605 --> 00:50:40,725
Speaker 5: so that's been a focus. But then of course, you know,

1003
00:50:41,205 --> 00:50:43,485
Speaker 5: just generally my kids get you know, less time. Thank god,

1004
00:50:43,525 --> 00:50:45,765
Speaker 5: I have a husband who has been the you know,

1005
00:50:45,885 --> 00:50:50,085
Speaker 5: the main physical caregiver to my children, because if I

1006
00:50:50,085 --> 00:50:51,845
Speaker 5: didn't have that, I could not do the other things.

1007
00:50:51,925 --> 00:50:53,645
Speaker 5: And I think one of the things about filming, and

1008
00:50:53,725 --> 00:50:57,725
Speaker 5: I know Asha feels this too. Yes, I miss my

1009
00:50:57,765 --> 00:51:00,685
Speaker 5: kids when I'm away filming, when I'm in a five

1010
00:51:00,725 --> 00:51:05,645
Speaker 5: star hotel, sitting on set all day, getting to make things,

1011
00:51:07,125 --> 00:51:09,925
Speaker 5: so five things. But it is well, I feel like

1012
00:51:09,965 --> 00:51:12,005
Speaker 5: when I'm there, I'm there, and then when I'm here,

1013
00:51:12,085 --> 00:51:15,805
Speaker 5: I can be more here. And I know that Ashery

1014
00:51:15,805 --> 00:51:18,765
Speaker 5: experiences that is very different when you are filming at home,

1015
00:51:18,805 --> 00:51:22,285
Speaker 5: which you know you don't do that often. You're trying

1016
00:51:22,325 --> 00:51:25,245
Speaker 5: to balance going home being a mother. And in Ash's case,

1017
00:51:25,245 --> 00:51:27,085
Speaker 5: I don't have to learn any lines just to go

1018
00:51:27,125 --> 00:51:28,245
Speaker 5: home and work for hour.

1019
00:51:28,285 --> 00:51:29,765
Speaker 2: I made hours a day.

1020
00:51:29,965 --> 00:51:33,325
Speaker 6: I made fake that way in my hometown Melbourne, balance

1021
00:51:33,405 --> 00:51:37,005
Speaker 6: performing fake producing that as well coming home having to

1022
00:51:37,085 --> 00:51:37,685
Speaker 6: keep working.

1023
00:51:37,845 --> 00:51:39,685
Speaker 1: I have to, I must.

1024
00:51:39,965 --> 00:51:43,605
Speaker 6: But little ones there, the little ones, they're looking at me, going,

1025
00:51:43,965 --> 00:51:46,405
Speaker 6: could you please make that dinner? Could you please make

1026
00:51:46,445 --> 00:51:49,445
Speaker 6: that dinner? Yep, I can, you know. But it's the

1027
00:51:50,005 --> 00:51:51,285
Speaker 6: that's that's a hard shot.

1028
00:51:51,325 --> 00:51:53,405
Speaker 3: It's doing, it's being in two places at once. It's

1029
00:51:53,405 --> 00:51:54,925
Speaker 3: like when you when you're being a mother, you want

1030
00:51:54,925 --> 00:51:56,245
Speaker 3: to be a mum. When you're at work, you want

1031
00:51:56,285 --> 00:51:58,285
Speaker 3: to be at work. But it's trying to do both

1032
00:51:58,285 --> 00:52:00,245
Speaker 3: of those things. And I think that's why COVID was

1033
00:52:00,285 --> 00:52:00,765
Speaker 3: so hard for a.

1034
00:52:00,765 --> 00:52:01,245
Speaker 2: Lot of people.

1035
00:52:01,245 --> 00:52:03,405
Speaker 5: But that's well, that's why mothers say weekends are the

1036
00:52:03,405 --> 00:52:06,685
Speaker 5: most exhausting. I mean, I remember when my maybies were little.

1037
00:52:07,005 --> 00:52:09,085
Speaker 5: I'd get to Monday and I skip off to that

1038
00:52:09,125 --> 00:52:11,085
Speaker 5: off this. I'd be like, oh my god, this is

1039
00:52:11,245 --> 00:52:12,125
Speaker 5: so easy.

1040
00:52:12,445 --> 00:52:16,365
Speaker 2: Jesse, what balls? Oh my god, so many ball You're

1041
00:52:16,445 --> 00:52:19,005
Speaker 2: quite new to this. I remember when you were just before.

1042
00:52:19,165 --> 00:52:21,085
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah. Well let's just say

1043
00:52:21,085 --> 00:52:24,125
Speaker 4: this interview was prepared very last minute, but I think

1044
00:52:24,125 --> 00:52:26,045
Speaker 4: it's gone all right. But what do you think?

1045
00:52:26,085 --> 00:52:27,605
Speaker 2: What do you what do you you know?

1046
00:52:28,085 --> 00:52:31,365
Speaker 3: Oh, definitely, Like, so exercise drops off, that's something you're

1047
00:52:31,565 --> 00:52:34,485
Speaker 3: you're still eating. It's just like when was the last

1048
00:52:34,485 --> 00:52:36,645
Speaker 3: time I gave Mam a phone call? Like, I've probably

1049
00:52:36,685 --> 00:52:38,525
Speaker 3: been a bitch to you today for no reason.

1050
00:52:38,845 --> 00:52:40,245
Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm nailing being your grandmother?

1051
00:52:40,645 --> 00:52:40,925
Speaker 1: You are?

1052
00:52:41,085 --> 00:52:43,725
Speaker 4: That's the ball that you are not happy because I'm

1053
00:52:43,765 --> 00:52:44,885
Speaker 4: dropping the ball as a mother.

1054
00:52:45,005 --> 00:52:45,885
Speaker 2: I'm nailing that.

1055
00:52:46,245 --> 00:52:48,765
Speaker 7: You're really loving but I'm just loving it. And also

1056
00:52:48,845 --> 00:52:51,965
Speaker 7: the expectations are really low. It's like being on this

1057
00:52:52,005 --> 00:52:55,165
Speaker 7: show for me, but that you know what I mean,

1058
00:52:55,525 --> 00:52:58,645
Speaker 7: All you have to do is just kind of love

1059
00:52:59,365 --> 00:52:59,725
Speaker 7: and go.

1060
00:53:00,165 --> 00:53:03,525
Speaker 2: That's great, and that's literally my job. It's very easy.

1061
00:53:04,045 --> 00:53:06,965
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much, thank you for joining for

1062
00:53:07,085 --> 00:53:09,525
Speaker 4: joining me. Nob have a draft during the process this

1063
00:53:09,765 --> 00:53:13,085
Speaker 4: that not even No No you.

1064
00:53:13,165 --> 00:53:15,125
Speaker 6: Held onto that I was going to steal it from you.

1065
00:53:16,565 --> 00:53:18,765
Speaker 3: I cannot wait for everyone to watch this new season

1066
00:53:18,885 --> 00:53:25,605
Speaker 3: strife on Binge. It was such a privilege to keep

1067
00:53:26,005 --> 00:53:29,725
Speaker 3: Kate's seat warm and to speak to three of my

1068
00:53:29,725 --> 00:53:34,925
Speaker 3: favorite people, Asha Brunner and Maya about this incredible project.

1069
00:53:35,445 --> 00:53:36,285
Speaker 4: I should just drop.

1070
00:53:36,325 --> 00:53:40,605
Speaker 3: In that episode two season two, Claire, my twin sister,

1071
00:53:40,685 --> 00:53:43,685
Speaker 3: and I wrote that one, so better be your favorite.

1072
00:53:43,965 --> 00:53:47,805
Speaker 3: You can watch Strife season two now on Binge and

1073
00:53:47,845 --> 00:53:49,485
Speaker 3: I just know you are going.

1074
00:53:49,365 --> 00:53:49,925
Speaker 1: To love it.

1075
00:53:50,325 --> 00:53:54,125
Speaker 3: The executive producer of No Filter is Nama Brown. The

1076
00:53:54,205 --> 00:53:58,765
Speaker 3: senior producer is Grace Ruvray, with audio production by Jacob Brown.

1077
00:53:59,365 --> 00:54:05,765
Speaker 3: Kate will be back in your ears on Monday.