1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,704 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 4 00:00:26,704 --> 00:00:29,064 Speaker 2: to this spill your daily pop culture fix. 5 00:00:29,544 --> 00:00:32,504 Speaker 3: I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm m Burnham And of course 6 00:00:32,544 --> 00:00:35,984 Speaker 3: today is the first Monday in May, which means it 7 00:00:36,104 --> 00:00:37,464 Speaker 3: is time for the Met Gala. 8 00:00:37,584 --> 00:00:41,224 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm so excited, so excited. And for 9 00:00:41,264 --> 00:00:43,344 Speaker 2: those of us not invited, which is pretty much everyone 10 00:00:43,344 --> 00:00:46,464 Speaker 2: who's not a super alias star or hasn't angered Ada Wintour, 11 00:00:46,584 --> 00:00:49,104 Speaker 2: who has turned the Met Gala into this huge event 12 00:00:49,144 --> 00:00:52,304 Speaker 2: that it is. Now, we've been watching all the red 13 00:00:52,304 --> 00:00:55,304 Speaker 2: carpet arrivals, the live stream. Actually it's still going on 14 00:00:55,304 --> 00:00:57,624 Speaker 2: because we have to record in the morning. The Metgala 15 00:00:57,664 --> 00:01:00,104 Speaker 2: live stream is still going on as we're in recording. 16 00:01:00,224 --> 00:01:03,944 Speaker 2: So we've seen some big moments. We've seen a few arrivals, 17 00:01:03,984 --> 00:01:08,384 Speaker 2: but we're going to do our full Met Gala rundown, thoughts, feelings, concerns, 18 00:01:08,424 --> 00:01:12,304 Speaker 2: feedback everything. During to Morrow's episode, I know about you, Emily, 19 00:01:12,344 --> 00:01:14,704 Speaker 2: about my list of talking points and like things. I 20 00:01:14,744 --> 00:01:17,984 Speaker 2: put exclamation marks against some of the celebrity interactions. I 21 00:01:17,984 --> 00:01:21,064 Speaker 2: cannot believe actually happened. My list is long and intense. 22 00:01:21,904 --> 00:01:24,104 Speaker 2: I also have a long and intense list. Yeah. So, 23 00:01:24,704 --> 00:01:26,664 Speaker 2: so we're going to touch on today because obviously so 24 00:01:26,704 --> 00:01:29,824 Speaker 2: many of the incredible looks have come through, and we're 25 00:01:29,824 --> 00:01:32,664 Speaker 2: going to be talking about the best, the most questionable, 26 00:01:32,984 --> 00:01:35,664 Speaker 2: the most memorable, the meaning behind them, all, the theme 27 00:01:35,704 --> 00:01:38,784 Speaker 2: and we have a very special guest joining us who 28 00:01:39,144 --> 00:01:41,104 Speaker 2: is probably the one person in Australia who knows the 29 00:01:41,104 --> 00:01:44,144 Speaker 2: most about this type of high level fashion. So don't worry, 30 00:01:44,144 --> 00:01:46,424 Speaker 2: won't just but be us, but make sure you tune 31 00:01:46,464 --> 00:01:49,424 Speaker 2: into tomorrow for our full Met Gala episode. But coming 32 00:01:49,504 --> 00:01:50,304 Speaker 2: up on the show today. 33 00:01:50,504 --> 00:01:52,544 Speaker 3: Coming up on the show today, we are also going 34 00:01:52,664 --> 00:01:57,304 Speaker 3: to touch on some concert culture because the celebrity news 35 00:01:57,384 --> 00:02:00,224 Speaker 3: is still ongoing. Even though it's Met Gala Day, A 36 00:02:00,264 --> 00:02:03,304 Speaker 3: lot has been happening, especially with our musician celebrities. 37 00:02:03,464 --> 00:02:07,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got some hot goss happening. I wasn't even 38 00:02:07,024 --> 00:02:09,664 Speaker 2: across half the stuff that you've It's quite upsetting. 39 00:02:09,664 --> 00:02:10,344 Speaker 1: Go as well. 40 00:02:10,464 --> 00:02:13,104 Speaker 2: Oh no, okay, oh Jesus christ strap in thirst. It's 41 00:02:13,104 --> 00:02:15,464 Speaker 2: coming later in the show. But first we had been 42 00:02:15,504 --> 00:02:17,424 Speaker 2: watching a bit of the Met Gala in the office, 43 00:02:17,464 --> 00:02:20,264 Speaker 2: so we have seen a few arrivals, and I guess 44 00:02:20,304 --> 00:02:23,064 Speaker 2: the person that everyone was really waiting to see was 45 00:02:23,144 --> 00:02:27,184 Speaker 2: Rihanna because her partner Rocky Asap Rocky is one of 46 00:02:27,184 --> 00:02:30,944 Speaker 2: the Met Gala chairs, along with Common Domingo, Lewis Hamilton, 47 00:02:31,384 --> 00:02:34,544 Speaker 2: Jis Hamilton. I'm so sorry, sir Lewis Hamilton on God 48 00:02:34,584 --> 00:02:36,664 Speaker 2: forgot who I was dealing with here and see your 49 00:02:36,704 --> 00:02:38,824 Speaker 2: faie before you even saw anyone's looks. He's been my 50 00:02:38,864 --> 00:02:41,704 Speaker 2: favorite years man. Yeah, you only saw his face on 51 00:02:41,744 --> 00:02:43,984 Speaker 2: the correct carpet and everything washed away. He saw what 52 00:02:44,024 --> 00:02:45,904 Speaker 2: he was wearing before the Metgala. I was like, oh, yeah, 53 00:02:45,904 --> 00:02:48,424 Speaker 2: that's brilliant and for Ah Williams don't want to forget him. 54 00:02:48,424 --> 00:02:50,064 Speaker 2: So they are the co chairs, So like if you're 55 00:02:50,104 --> 00:02:52,144 Speaker 2: not across, which is fine because you might have a 56 00:02:52,184 --> 00:02:55,744 Speaker 2: real life what's that like? Every year, Anna win Tour, 57 00:02:56,104 --> 00:02:58,704 Speaker 2: who is in charge of the Met Gala, picks a 58 00:02:58,744 --> 00:03:01,144 Speaker 2: whole bunch of like celebrities and influential people to be 59 00:03:01,184 --> 00:03:03,824 Speaker 2: the co chairs and they're involved in running the event 60 00:03:03,904 --> 00:03:06,304 Speaker 2: and they're required to get there very early on the day. 61 00:03:06,584 --> 00:03:09,304 Speaker 2: Maybe they're helping set up chairs or who knows. 62 00:03:09,304 --> 00:03:12,784 Speaker 3: They were watching a performs Oh see that, yeah yeah, 63 00:03:12,784 --> 00:03:16,104 Speaker 3: and common Demingo jumped in with the dancers on them. 64 00:03:16,184 --> 00:03:18,624 Speaker 2: It was so amazing. So Rocky got there early and 65 00:03:18,664 --> 00:03:22,144 Speaker 2: then a little bit later, Rihanna was seen entering the 66 00:03:22,184 --> 00:03:25,544 Speaker 2: Carlisle Hotel, very very famous hotel in New York and 67 00:03:25,584 --> 00:03:28,184 Speaker 2: where a lot of celebrities stay for the met Gala, 68 00:03:28,304 --> 00:03:30,184 Speaker 2: to the point where they pretty much have like a 69 00:03:30,224 --> 00:03:33,104 Speaker 2: full photo wall set up, like an unofficial photo wall 70 00:03:33,424 --> 00:03:36,224 Speaker 2: set up outside so that you can watch the exits 71 00:03:36,224 --> 00:03:37,984 Speaker 2: from the Carlisle. So a lot of people don't even 72 00:03:38,024 --> 00:03:40,024 Speaker 2: bother going to the met Gala. They go to the 73 00:03:40,024 --> 00:03:42,264 Speaker 2: Carlisle and set up there to get the first looks 74 00:03:42,264 --> 00:03:43,384 Speaker 2: of celebrities coming out. 75 00:03:43,544 --> 00:03:46,264 Speaker 3: Unless the celebrity comes out in a giant box with 76 00:03:46,424 --> 00:03:47,264 Speaker 3: umbrellas over them. 77 00:03:47,944 --> 00:03:49,704 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I have them, Melissa Tomorrow. Don't even 78 00:03:49,704 --> 00:03:52,744 Speaker 2: worry about that. So before the event kicked off, Rihanna 79 00:03:52,784 --> 00:03:55,304 Speaker 2: and her usual kind of cool gal style was popped 80 00:03:55,344 --> 00:03:58,664 Speaker 2: heading into the Carlisle with a very noticeable baby bump. 81 00:03:58,784 --> 00:04:01,744 Speaker 2: It feels so old school tabloid, a very noticeable baby bomb. 82 00:04:02,344 --> 00:04:05,304 Speaker 2: But you know it's been confirmed now it's been confirmed. 83 00:04:05,384 --> 00:04:08,424 Speaker 3: What's funny about this is that she had to one 84 00:04:08,504 --> 00:04:11,024 Speaker 3: up her last baby bump, which was the Super Bowl, 85 00:04:11,264 --> 00:04:13,624 Speaker 3: and it feels like now she just can't have any 86 00:04:13,624 --> 00:04:14,624 Speaker 3: more kids because you have to. 87 00:04:14,664 --> 00:04:17,544 Speaker 2: Keep going bigger and bigger. Next minute, she'll go to 88 00:04:17,584 --> 00:04:19,904 Speaker 2: space like Katie Perry, and she'll like, instead of holding 89 00:04:19,904 --> 00:04:23,304 Speaker 2: off a daisy, she'll like open her face. God, why 90 00:04:23,344 --> 00:04:24,704 Speaker 2: would it be cool if she did that? 91 00:04:25,024 --> 00:04:26,704 Speaker 3: I don't know, but I just know it'll be cool. 92 00:04:26,744 --> 00:04:28,744 Speaker 3: I just know her kids when they're teenagers are going 93 00:04:28,784 --> 00:04:30,344 Speaker 3: to be like, you're the super Bowl baby or the 94 00:04:30,424 --> 00:04:31,504 Speaker 3: Mechla baby. 95 00:04:31,344 --> 00:04:32,984 Speaker 2: Yeah, or the baby that was papped on the beach. 96 00:04:34,344 --> 00:04:39,024 Speaker 2: The baby it's the one who got exposed on TikTok Okay, 97 00:04:39,264 --> 00:04:41,504 Speaker 2: we're not laughing in sterables. Obviously. This is her third 98 00:04:41,544 --> 00:04:45,104 Speaker 2: baby with Asap Rocky. So they had little Razor who 99 00:04:45,224 --> 00:04:47,144 Speaker 2: was born in May twenty twenty two, and that was 100 00:04:47,144 --> 00:04:49,304 Speaker 2: their first baby and they actually got to announce the 101 00:04:49,344 --> 00:04:52,984 Speaker 2: pregnancy themselves because they had those street style pap shots. 102 00:04:53,024 --> 00:04:55,664 Speaker 2: Remember that it was the baby's face that was papped 103 00:04:55,704 --> 00:04:58,704 Speaker 2: against their disgusting yeah, which they were quite upset about 104 00:04:58,784 --> 00:05:00,384 Speaker 2: on a beach. And then Rihanna had to share a 105 00:05:00,424 --> 00:05:02,184 Speaker 2: picture because she was trying to beat the fat pat 106 00:05:02,224 --> 00:05:04,744 Speaker 2: photos coming out. So they had little Rizza, who was 107 00:05:04,744 --> 00:05:07,704 Speaker 2: born in May twenty twenty two, and then Riot, their 108 00:05:07,744 --> 00:05:10,744 Speaker 2: second son, who that was the Super Bowl baby, super 109 00:05:10,744 --> 00:05:13,704 Speaker 2: Well pregnancy. It was being called that at the Super Bowl. 110 00:05:13,744 --> 00:05:16,024 Speaker 2: She didn't mean to in twenty twenty three to announce 111 00:05:16,064 --> 00:05:18,104 Speaker 2: her pregnancy. She was supposed to be wearing that big 112 00:05:18,144 --> 00:05:21,024 Speaker 2: floaty jumpsuit and then on the day didn't zip up properly, 113 00:05:21,064 --> 00:05:23,224 Speaker 2: so she was like, oh, oh yeah, how Everyone was like, 114 00:05:23,864 --> 00:05:25,624 Speaker 2: she looks pregnant, but we don't want to say it, 115 00:05:25,744 --> 00:05:27,984 Speaker 2: which people mock now, but I was like, that's just 116 00:05:28,344 --> 00:05:30,864 Speaker 2: the proper thing to do, Like you can't start saying 117 00:05:30,944 --> 00:05:33,304 Speaker 2: someone's pregnant while they're still in the middle of their 118 00:05:33,344 --> 00:05:35,224 Speaker 2: first Super Bowls. And she knew it as well. 119 00:05:35,304 --> 00:05:37,224 Speaker 3: She's like, you will not hear that word come out 120 00:05:37,264 --> 00:05:38,384 Speaker 3: of my mouth until I'm done. 121 00:05:38,424 --> 00:05:40,784 Speaker 2: Dad, Yeah, exactly, And afterwards she was just like, yeah, 122 00:05:40,784 --> 00:05:42,624 Speaker 2: it wasn't like a big deal. It just happened to happen. 123 00:05:42,664 --> 00:05:44,584 Speaker 2: So we love that. So then this is the met 124 00:05:44,584 --> 00:05:46,624 Speaker 2: Gala baby, and it is a big. 125 00:05:46,504 --> 00:05:48,384 Speaker 3: Deal because this means we're probably not going to get 126 00:05:48,384 --> 00:05:50,424 Speaker 3: another album until this baby is well. 127 00:05:50,464 --> 00:05:53,064 Speaker 2: I think she's been a little bit busy, looked clearly 128 00:05:53,144 --> 00:05:55,784 Speaker 2: she's been busy. So that's exciting. So yes, much more 129 00:05:55,824 --> 00:05:58,224 Speaker 2: met Gala is still to come in this episode and tomorrow, 130 00:05:58,264 --> 00:05:59,664 Speaker 2: but I feel like so far that's like one of 131 00:05:59,704 --> 00:06:01,144 Speaker 2: the most fun reveals from today. 132 00:06:03,144 --> 00:06:05,864 Speaker 3: So today it's very very exciting because we always hap 133 00:06:05,904 --> 00:06:08,744 Speaker 3: on how we're not a fashion podcast. 134 00:06:08,264 --> 00:06:10,504 Speaker 2: Except today, Speak for Yourself. 135 00:06:10,464 --> 00:06:14,024 Speaker 3: Are a fashion podcast because we are joined by fashion writer, 136 00:06:14,224 --> 00:06:18,904 Speaker 3: commentator and consultant Glennis trail Nash. Glennis was a fashion 137 00:06:18,984 --> 00:06:21,704 Speaker 3: editor at The Australian for nine years and as a 138 00:06:21,744 --> 00:06:25,224 Speaker 3: regular contributor to Business of Fashion, Marie Claire Harper's Bizarre 139 00:06:25,344 --> 00:06:27,784 Speaker 3: in Style and many many more. So we are very 140 00:06:27,984 --> 00:06:29,584 Speaker 3: very lucky to have her here today. 141 00:06:30,024 --> 00:06:32,384 Speaker 2: And just a quick note before we jump into this segment, 142 00:06:32,744 --> 00:06:35,984 Speaker 2: we have posted a carousel on our Instagram page, which 143 00:06:36,024 --> 00:06:39,504 Speaker 2: is the Spill Podcast on Instagram, with every look we're 144 00:06:39,504 --> 00:06:41,864 Speaker 2: about to discuss in this segment in order, So if 145 00:06:41,864 --> 00:06:44,024 Speaker 2: you want the visual effect of what we're talking about, 146 00:06:44,264 --> 00:06:46,824 Speaker 2: open Instagram head over to the Spill it'll be clearly 147 00:06:46,864 --> 00:06:49,664 Speaker 2: marked the images for this segment and you can follow 148 00:06:49,664 --> 00:06:52,224 Speaker 2: along as we chat. Well, thank you so much for 149 00:06:52,304 --> 00:06:53,104 Speaker 2: joining us today. 150 00:06:53,424 --> 00:06:55,224 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. It's always nice to visit. 151 00:06:55,624 --> 00:06:58,104 Speaker 2: So first off, i'd love you to explain the theme 152 00:06:58,184 --> 00:07:00,744 Speaker 2: and sort of how different people interpreted that, because obviously 153 00:07:00,744 --> 00:07:02,424 Speaker 2: that's such a huge part of the MET Gala. In 154 00:07:02,424 --> 00:07:04,664 Speaker 2: this year's theme, I think was particularly important to a 155 00:07:04,704 --> 00:07:05,264 Speaker 2: lot of people. 156 00:07:05,584 --> 00:07:07,944 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and it's also worth noting that this is the 157 00:07:07,984 --> 00:07:12,904 Speaker 1: first men'swear exhibition and theme that we've had since two 158 00:07:12,904 --> 00:07:17,064 Speaker 1: thousand and three, I think, And of course this is 159 00:07:17,064 --> 00:07:20,184 Speaker 1: a celebration of black men's style and dandyism. So the 160 00:07:20,224 --> 00:07:23,904 Speaker 1: actual theme is, well, the exhibition is super fine tailoring 161 00:07:23,944 --> 00:07:27,144 Speaker 1: black style, and then the theme for the MET Gala 162 00:07:27,144 --> 00:07:31,464 Speaker 1: itself is tailored for you. So that allows people then to, 163 00:07:31,984 --> 00:07:34,464 Speaker 1: I guess, especially women, you know, to kind of cater 164 00:07:34,824 --> 00:07:38,264 Speaker 1: to this theme in whatever way they see appropriate. But 165 00:07:38,304 --> 00:07:42,344 Speaker 1: obviously this idea of black dandyism is really interesting culturally, 166 00:07:42,384 --> 00:07:44,144 Speaker 1: and it kind of came sort of in the post 167 00:07:44,184 --> 00:07:48,864 Speaker 1: emancipation era in the US. It plays into the European 168 00:07:49,144 --> 00:07:52,984 Speaker 1: idea of the dandy though, so you know, the Beau Brummel, 169 00:07:53,304 --> 00:07:55,264 Speaker 1: that kind of thing in the UK. So we're talking 170 00:07:55,344 --> 00:08:00,984 Speaker 1: like eighteenth century into nineteenth century, very polished, very fancy, 171 00:08:01,584 --> 00:08:04,304 Speaker 1: and so then you've got for black men. I mean, 172 00:08:04,384 --> 00:08:07,664 Speaker 1: it's an interesting thing because you've got a minority group 173 00:08:07,664 --> 00:08:11,184 Speaker 1: effective or a disenfranchised group wanting to kind of empower 174 00:08:11,224 --> 00:08:13,784 Speaker 1: themselves and it's kind of almost an act of rebellion 175 00:08:14,384 --> 00:08:17,424 Speaker 1: and when other people are pushing them down, they're raising 176 00:08:17,464 --> 00:08:19,824 Speaker 1: themselves up in an act of defiance. 177 00:08:19,944 --> 00:08:21,944 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so interesting because we did feel, even just 178 00:08:21,984 --> 00:08:24,504 Speaker 2: watching the live streams and the interviews and the photos, 179 00:08:24,544 --> 00:08:25,544 Speaker 2: it did feel like I had a bit of a 180 00:08:25,544 --> 00:08:27,864 Speaker 2: different energy this year, just because I guess of the 181 00:08:27,864 --> 00:08:30,064 Speaker 2: designers that were there and the way people were dressed, 182 00:08:30,104 --> 00:08:32,664 Speaker 2: and the way that black fashion and black history was 183 00:08:32,704 --> 00:08:34,704 Speaker 2: having its moment, almost felt like it had more of 184 00:08:34,744 --> 00:08:37,944 Speaker 2: a joyful kind of presence and previous Matt Galas or 185 00:08:37,944 --> 00:08:39,944 Speaker 2: maybe that's just me looking at. 186 00:08:39,024 --> 00:08:42,464 Speaker 1: It, I think that's absolutely legitimate. And I also think 187 00:08:42,504 --> 00:08:45,184 Speaker 1: it's interesting that when you look at all the guests 188 00:08:45,224 --> 00:08:47,784 Speaker 1: who were there, and obviously there was a huge focus 189 00:08:47,784 --> 00:08:49,704 Speaker 1: on men's were okay, so that we were expecting the 190 00:08:49,744 --> 00:08:51,824 Speaker 1: men to really kind of lift the game, and let's 191 00:08:51,824 --> 00:08:54,584 Speaker 1: be honest, in the last five years or so, men's 192 00:08:54,624 --> 00:08:57,904 Speaker 1: red carpet fashion has really been on the rise, and 193 00:08:57,944 --> 00:09:00,264 Speaker 1: I think it's almost been more interesting than the women's 194 00:09:00,544 --> 00:09:02,864 Speaker 1: in a sense, because men have moved away from that. 195 00:09:03,344 --> 00:09:04,704 Speaker 1: You know, we're on a red carpet, we just have 196 00:09:04,744 --> 00:09:06,264 Speaker 1: to be the kind of prop to the women and 197 00:09:06,344 --> 00:09:08,224 Speaker 1: just get on, get a tuxedoor on. You know that 198 00:09:08,344 --> 00:09:10,904 Speaker 1: they've really kind of leant into it. I think there 199 00:09:10,944 --> 00:09:13,304 Speaker 1: was an expectation also that this is really the moment 200 00:09:13,344 --> 00:09:16,584 Speaker 1: to let go. But what I found really interesting was 201 00:09:16,624 --> 00:09:18,784 Speaker 1: that a lot of the white men, I think they 202 00:09:18,824 --> 00:09:19,904 Speaker 1: decided to step back. 203 00:09:20,144 --> 00:09:22,584 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you know, and it wasn't the moment. 204 00:09:22,664 --> 00:09:25,544 Speaker 1: It wasn't their moment, and I kind of appreciated that. 205 00:09:25,664 --> 00:09:27,664 Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, there were some great looks 206 00:09:27,704 --> 00:09:29,704 Speaker 1: from some white guys, but I think this was the 207 00:09:29,704 --> 00:09:31,504 Speaker 1: black men's moment to shine. 208 00:09:31,864 --> 00:09:34,464 Speaker 3: What I really liked about this year's theme the whole 209 00:09:34,504 --> 00:09:36,584 Speaker 3: tailored for you, is that we saw so many like 210 00:09:36,864 --> 00:09:40,144 Speaker 3: interpretations of the classic suit, and I think that was 211 00:09:40,184 --> 00:09:42,824 Speaker 3: also a callback to I think there's been so many 212 00:09:42,864 --> 00:09:45,224 Speaker 3: memes in the past, especially at the Met Gala, of 213 00:09:45,344 --> 00:09:47,584 Speaker 3: exactly what you said, like white men coming in just 214 00:09:47,624 --> 00:09:50,424 Speaker 3: a normal suit and people going why like, why. 215 00:09:50,304 --> 00:09:50,784 Speaker 2: Did you eat in? 216 00:09:51,624 --> 00:09:53,024 Speaker 1: And this theme just proved that you. 217 00:09:52,984 --> 00:09:54,944 Speaker 3: Can do it and make it look good. 218 00:09:55,104 --> 00:09:57,944 Speaker 1: Exactly, and I love there a like actually I loved 219 00:09:57,984 --> 00:10:01,824 Speaker 1: Walter Goggan's kind of whole yeah, that whole deconstructed skirt 220 00:10:01,904 --> 00:10:06,184 Speaker 1: situation jacket out. Yeah, that was very wild and oh yeah, 221 00:10:06,224 --> 00:10:08,704 Speaker 1: but I mean for me, I think Common Domingo has 222 00:10:08,704 --> 00:10:11,584 Speaker 1: been one of those men brings it every time, every time, 223 00:10:11,704 --> 00:10:14,664 Speaker 1: and so he started in this kind of cape situation 224 00:10:15,104 --> 00:10:16,904 Speaker 1: and that wasn't my favorite part of his look, but 225 00:10:16,904 --> 00:10:19,224 Speaker 1: that was his homage apparently Dondre li On Tally, you know, 226 00:10:19,304 --> 00:10:22,824 Speaker 1: the late Vogue fashion editor. And then he revealed this 227 00:10:23,504 --> 00:10:27,624 Speaker 1: fabulous kind of black and white, very loud check jacket situation, 228 00:10:27,704 --> 00:10:30,584 Speaker 1: which I just thought was amazing. So he was one 229 00:10:30,584 --> 00:10:32,944 Speaker 1: of my top picks. But then the women, Yeah, there 230 00:10:32,984 --> 00:10:34,864 Speaker 1: was a lot of tailoring and I loved a lot 231 00:10:34,864 --> 00:10:38,504 Speaker 1: of takes on the classic tucks. Yeah, and the black 232 00:10:38,544 --> 00:10:42,264 Speaker 1: and white, very crisp kind of look. I thought that 233 00:10:42,344 --> 00:10:44,424 Speaker 1: was fabulous. There were quite a few women doing the 234 00:10:44,544 --> 00:10:48,664 Speaker 1: kind of tuxedo take over over the trousers with the 235 00:10:48,704 --> 00:10:52,384 Speaker 1: skirt open skirt over the trousers, which was nice look. Honestly, 236 00:10:52,464 --> 00:10:54,704 Speaker 1: my top pick of the women was I mean it 237 00:10:54,704 --> 00:10:56,544 Speaker 1: was Zentaiah. My god, can she do it? 238 00:10:57,704 --> 00:11:00,944 Speaker 2: Wow? With the white I'm sorry, it's more intricate than that. 239 00:11:01,184 --> 00:11:03,384 Speaker 1: Well it's I mean that was kind of an homage 240 00:11:03,424 --> 00:11:06,224 Speaker 1: to Bianca Jagger, yes, and her wedding outfit when she 241 00:11:06,264 --> 00:11:08,424 Speaker 1: married Mick Jagger in the seventies. I mean, with that 242 00:11:08,464 --> 00:11:11,664 Speaker 1: hat and the jacket. Bianca wore a skirt. But Zendai 243 00:11:11,824 --> 00:11:13,824 Speaker 1: just looked so sharp. Oh my god, that was just 244 00:11:14,504 --> 00:11:15,424 Speaker 1: pin perfect to me. 245 00:11:15,864 --> 00:11:18,384 Speaker 3: Oh, I love that, which is interesting because it's been 246 00:11:18,424 --> 00:11:21,704 Speaker 3: like unconfirmed, but everyone kind of knows that she is engaged. 247 00:11:22,064 --> 00:11:24,424 Speaker 2: Yeah, they've confirmed confirmed. 248 00:11:24,464 --> 00:11:25,544 Speaker 1: So it was like a bridal look. 249 00:11:25,544 --> 00:11:27,344 Speaker 2: I wonder if she's just doing all bridal looks in 250 00:11:27,384 --> 00:11:27,784 Speaker 2: the Leader. 251 00:11:29,904 --> 00:11:31,544 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was just and it was one 252 00:11:31,544 --> 00:11:33,584 Speaker 1: of the simpler looks, let's be honest, I mean, of 253 00:11:33,624 --> 00:11:35,424 Speaker 1: the day. But it was just so sharp. 254 00:11:35,704 --> 00:11:38,424 Speaker 2: Oh, and An stuck the position from last year where 255 00:11:38,464 --> 00:11:40,784 Speaker 2: she was a chair and she did those two very 256 00:11:40,864 --> 00:11:43,304 Speaker 2: over the top looks and walked the red carpet twice 257 00:11:43,344 --> 00:11:45,664 Speaker 2: and in the night this year, just watching her bounce 258 00:11:45,744 --> 00:11:48,024 Speaker 2: up the stairs and a tailored white suit being able 259 00:11:48,024 --> 00:11:50,264 Speaker 2: to sit down and move without the constriction of that 260 00:11:50,344 --> 00:11:52,424 Speaker 2: must have been lovely for her. Oh yeah, so who 261 00:11:52,464 --> 00:11:54,064 Speaker 2: are your other favorite looks? Is all I want to hear. 262 00:11:54,104 --> 00:11:56,424 Speaker 2: I want you go through the whole who got it wrong? 263 00:11:56,504 --> 00:11:59,064 Speaker 1: For the women? For the women, I mean, apart from Zendia, 264 00:11:59,104 --> 00:12:02,384 Speaker 1: I mean I love Gigi hadid actually, And at first glance, 265 00:12:02,424 --> 00:12:04,864 Speaker 1: I wasn't quite sure how this kind of played into 266 00:12:04,904 --> 00:12:08,944 Speaker 1: the theme, but on further discovery, it was in fact 267 00:12:08,984 --> 00:12:14,064 Speaker 1: an homage to an American nineteen forties designer called Zeldawyn 268 00:12:14,384 --> 00:12:18,064 Speaker 1: Valdez and a recreation of address worn by Josephine Baker, 269 00:12:18,664 --> 00:12:22,464 Speaker 1: who was, of course the famous performer cabaret performers, singer, 270 00:12:22,784 --> 00:12:27,064 Speaker 1: African American Icon, the style icon, and then she had 271 00:12:27,104 --> 00:12:29,864 Speaker 1: the forties French roll hair and everything. So I really 272 00:12:29,864 --> 00:12:32,984 Speaker 1: thought that was actually quite a well considered look, I 273 00:12:33,024 --> 00:12:35,624 Speaker 1: mean beautiful anyway, but I thought, oh, there's a good 274 00:12:35,624 --> 00:12:36,624 Speaker 1: backstory there, so. 275 00:12:36,584 --> 00:12:39,344 Speaker 2: They alone to hear the backstory. And as much as 276 00:12:39,344 --> 00:12:41,344 Speaker 2: all the beautiful suiting looked lovely on the women, just 277 00:12:41,424 --> 00:12:43,744 Speaker 2: kind of also nice for like maybe basical lydies like 278 00:12:43,784 --> 00:12:46,224 Speaker 2: me to have like a little glittery gown in the mix. 279 00:12:46,264 --> 00:12:47,744 Speaker 2: That you could look at and sort of have that 280 00:12:47,744 --> 00:12:49,384 Speaker 2: little extra glitz on the carpet. 281 00:12:49,624 --> 00:12:52,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. What was great also with this is 282 00:12:52,744 --> 00:12:54,784 Speaker 1: a lot of women just in kind of tailoring and 283 00:12:54,824 --> 00:12:56,784 Speaker 1: do you know what I really what really struck me 284 00:12:57,144 --> 00:12:58,904 Speaker 1: is I thought, wow, a lot of women are looking 285 00:12:58,944 --> 00:13:01,864 Speaker 1: really comfortable tonight, really comfortable. 286 00:13:02,544 --> 00:13:04,304 Speaker 3: What we said about Zendea, like she just ran up 287 00:13:04,304 --> 00:13:05,624 Speaker 3: those times right. 288 00:13:05,424 --> 00:13:07,784 Speaker 2: And usually just hear people saying, I can't slip sit down. 289 00:13:07,784 --> 00:13:10,104 Speaker 2: They all arrive in those sprinter vans. They have to 290 00:13:10,104 --> 00:13:12,424 Speaker 2: have a whole group of men carry them up the stairs. 291 00:13:12,464 --> 00:13:13,864 Speaker 2: I saw no Cole Kim and getting a bit of 292 00:13:13,864 --> 00:13:15,784 Speaker 2: help up the stairs only because she had high heels on. 293 00:13:15,824 --> 00:13:18,384 Speaker 2: But everyone else is just fun and easy man. 294 00:13:18,904 --> 00:13:21,384 Speaker 1: Totally. Joey King's green suit with all the kind of 295 00:13:21,424 --> 00:13:24,384 Speaker 1: decorative details. I loved that with the check shirt as well, 296 00:13:24,464 --> 00:13:26,424 Speaker 1: and there was a lot of pattern, a lot of texture. 297 00:13:26,464 --> 00:13:29,664 Speaker 1: There was fantastic. The one I haven't seen photographs of, 298 00:13:29,784 --> 00:13:32,104 Speaker 1: but I saw video of one of my all time 299 00:13:32,264 --> 00:13:37,224 Speaker 1: red carpet favorites is Jenelle Maney likes Tom Brown. But 300 00:13:37,584 --> 00:13:40,384 Speaker 1: it was kind of a Trump lawyer effect cape suit. 301 00:13:41,224 --> 00:13:43,624 Speaker 1: So you kind of had this hourglass silhouette sort of 302 00:13:43,784 --> 00:13:45,664 Speaker 1: she loves a cape, oh she does, but it was 303 00:13:45,744 --> 00:13:47,504 Speaker 1: quite I mean she actually she did not look like 304 00:13:47,504 --> 00:13:49,024 Speaker 1: she was very comfortable getting into that car. 305 00:13:49,104 --> 00:13:52,464 Speaker 2: I won't lie, no, but would have been about the 306 00:13:52,504 --> 00:13:54,184 Speaker 2: performance totally. 307 00:13:54,264 --> 00:13:57,944 Speaker 1: I just think she's extraordinary. I really do her her 308 00:13:58,024 --> 00:14:00,664 Speaker 1: idea of performance that she brings to the red carpet 309 00:14:00,704 --> 00:14:02,904 Speaker 1: exactly like, it's amazing. 310 00:14:03,424 --> 00:14:06,504 Speaker 3: Was there anyone that like completely surprised you with what 311 00:14:06,584 --> 00:14:07,664 Speaker 3: they brought in. 312 00:14:07,624 --> 00:14:11,544 Speaker 1: A good way or a bad actually, you know, on 313 00:14:11,584 --> 00:14:14,944 Speaker 1: the men's side of things, Andrew Scott I loved. I loved. 314 00:14:15,024 --> 00:14:16,624 Speaker 1: He also looked like he was just ready for a 315 00:14:16,664 --> 00:14:18,664 Speaker 1: really good night. I mean, and that was just like, 316 00:14:18,744 --> 00:14:21,384 Speaker 1: It's a really relaxed looking kind of linen suit, pale 317 00:14:21,384 --> 00:14:24,144 Speaker 1: blue with like an orange kind of vest and then 318 00:14:24,144 --> 00:14:28,184 Speaker 1: a mustard shirt and slightly undone tie. I just thought, yeah, cool, 319 00:14:28,344 --> 00:14:32,104 Speaker 1: hot priests too, doesn't look yes, Oh do you know 320 00:14:32,184 --> 00:14:34,904 Speaker 1: what I thought was really dull was Lana del Rey. 321 00:14:34,944 --> 00:14:36,944 Speaker 2: I just thought, was oh, interesting, because I've seen a 322 00:14:36,944 --> 00:14:39,664 Speaker 2: lot of people say that she's among their best dress. Well, 323 00:14:39,664 --> 00:14:41,424 Speaker 2: actually think it's more just a vibe of her. I 324 00:14:41,424 --> 00:14:44,024 Speaker 2: think people just love her a moment and like in 325 00:14:44,104 --> 00:14:46,584 Speaker 2: her face obviously, but did you think her look was 326 00:14:46,584 --> 00:14:47,464 Speaker 2: a little bit underwhelmed? 327 00:14:47,464 --> 00:14:50,664 Speaker 1: I thought it was quite undwhelming. Interesting and also like 328 00:14:51,384 --> 00:14:56,264 Speaker 1: Georgina Chapman of course, Harvey Weinstein's ex wife with Adrian Brodie, 329 00:14:56,264 --> 00:14:58,624 Speaker 1: she looked so uncomfortable when you saw her walking on 330 00:14:58,664 --> 00:15:01,264 Speaker 1: the red carpet with him. It was just like kind 331 00:15:01,264 --> 00:15:03,384 Speaker 1: of alarming. And you know, the dress obviously one of 332 00:15:03,384 --> 00:15:09,144 Speaker 1: her own dress's fishtail gown. Not exciting. Mindy Kaling great fun. 333 00:15:09,544 --> 00:15:11,624 Speaker 1: I just think I I think it was the Men's Night, 334 00:15:11,864 --> 00:15:15,744 Speaker 1: you know, I really do feel like that. Yeah. Jeff Goldblum, 335 00:15:15,824 --> 00:15:21,824 Speaker 1: oh my god, he was there to perform, and why 336 00:15:21,864 --> 00:15:24,144 Speaker 1: wouldn't you flirt with you? I mean, he's just so 337 00:15:24,304 --> 00:15:27,584 Speaker 1: much fun. Lewis Hamilton, actually I thought was great. 338 00:15:27,744 --> 00:15:30,424 Speaker 3: Oh, sir, Lewis my favorite. 339 00:15:30,424 --> 00:15:32,384 Speaker 2: That's M's favorite person in the whole world, not just 340 00:15:32,424 --> 00:15:33,504 Speaker 2: her favorite celebrity. 341 00:15:33,704 --> 00:15:37,224 Speaker 1: It's interesting, isn't it, Like he's Yeah, the Formula one 342 00:15:37,224 --> 00:15:39,424 Speaker 1: thing with women has really turned a corner. 343 00:15:39,464 --> 00:15:44,104 Speaker 3: I feel leaning in every single race, all cameras, like 344 00:15:44,184 --> 00:15:46,984 Speaker 3: we're not talking about sport, but before every single race, 345 00:15:47,224 --> 00:15:49,784 Speaker 3: you just see the like hordes of photographers rush to 346 00:15:49,824 --> 00:15:52,504 Speaker 3: Lewis because he always dresses up like it's. 347 00:15:52,304 --> 00:15:54,224 Speaker 2: A runway or the sport. 348 00:15:54,304 --> 00:15:56,344 Speaker 3: Well, the rest of them, I just wearing their uniform. 349 00:15:57,144 --> 00:15:59,304 Speaker 3: He just like, I feel like this night is perfect 350 00:15:59,344 --> 00:15:59,864 Speaker 3: for him. 351 00:16:00,264 --> 00:16:02,504 Speaker 1: Yeah, I said. Another one of the suiting looks. I 352 00:16:02,544 --> 00:16:07,264 Speaker 1: love her mom. Oh yes, that white and it looks 353 00:16:07,304 --> 00:16:11,264 Speaker 1: like a jumpsuit suit and it's got such a silhouette. 354 00:16:11,384 --> 00:16:13,744 Speaker 1: She looks fierce. And a walking cane of course, very dapper, 355 00:16:14,504 --> 00:16:19,224 Speaker 1: very dapper few canes. Yeah, yeah, very much leaning into that. 356 00:16:19,384 --> 00:16:21,584 Speaker 2: I feel forgetting up tho stairs because very infamously they 357 00:16:21,584 --> 00:16:23,664 Speaker 2: don't have rails because it ruins the aesthetic of the 358 00:16:23,704 --> 00:16:26,984 Speaker 2: look and the flowers. So you either get a gentleman 359 00:16:27,024 --> 00:16:28,824 Speaker 2: to carry you up or you fall down. We have 360 00:16:29,384 --> 00:16:32,464 Speaker 2: last year he literally lifted in, So the cane just 361 00:16:32,464 --> 00:16:33,144 Speaker 2: a safety thing. 362 00:16:33,184 --> 00:16:35,864 Speaker 1: I feel, yeah, And look, I think it's kind of 363 00:16:35,864 --> 00:16:38,184 Speaker 1: worth noting for future because there's a lot of people. 364 00:16:38,384 --> 00:16:40,624 Speaker 1: And also this Hunter Shaeffer I thought was great. There 365 00:16:40,624 --> 00:16:42,584 Speaker 1: were a couple of berets on the on the red 366 00:16:42,664 --> 00:16:45,104 Speaker 1: carpet this time. I thought her white beret in the 367 00:16:45,224 --> 00:16:48,984 Speaker 1: very stark black and white tailoring was fantastic. Pamela Anderson. Look. 368 00:16:49,024 --> 00:16:53,024 Speaker 1: I love Pamela Anderson. That look didn't move me. The 369 00:16:53,224 --> 00:16:57,904 Speaker 1: very you know, very strict silhouette, very encrusted with beating 370 00:16:58,304 --> 00:16:59,704 Speaker 1: not my favorite, to be honest. 371 00:16:59,744 --> 00:17:01,744 Speaker 2: She was getting a lot of clap back for her hair, 372 00:17:01,944 --> 00:17:03,624 Speaker 2: which I think because I'm like, I feel like the 373 00:17:03,664 --> 00:17:05,064 Speaker 2: hair was meant because it was it was like a 374 00:17:05,144 --> 00:17:07,664 Speaker 2: very well used to seeing these kind of very loose, 375 00:17:07,864 --> 00:17:11,464 Speaker 2: luscious beachy blonde locks on her and that's been her signature. 376 00:17:11,664 --> 00:17:14,224 Speaker 2: And she had it cropped in quite short, and I really, 377 00:17:14,424 --> 00:17:17,904 Speaker 2: you know, how like when your own fringe accidentally cut 378 00:17:17,944 --> 00:17:20,784 Speaker 2: it way too short. She had that still. It was great, 379 00:17:20,784 --> 00:17:22,984 Speaker 2: but I just I don't know if it's all meshing together. 380 00:17:23,104 --> 00:17:25,944 Speaker 1: She's an icon, but that wasn't my favorite look. I mean, look, 381 00:17:25,944 --> 00:17:29,584 Speaker 1: Doci was kind of fun with the kind of short suit. 382 00:17:29,984 --> 00:17:32,904 Speaker 1: I do like like all the Weton people this year, 383 00:17:33,064 --> 00:17:36,384 Speaker 1: they've really kind of they really leant into the logo 384 00:17:37,104 --> 00:17:39,464 Speaker 1: this year. Like, I mean, Doci has the little round 385 00:17:39,664 --> 00:17:43,504 Speaker 1: on her face, which was a little bit like, yeah, branding, 386 00:17:43,584 --> 00:17:45,464 Speaker 1: is that is that a good look? I don't know 387 00:17:45,544 --> 00:17:46,344 Speaker 1: that's a good look. 388 00:17:46,504 --> 00:17:47,984 Speaker 2: It's a choice, it's a choice. 389 00:17:48,064 --> 00:17:49,744 Speaker 1: And then one of the other I can't remember off 390 00:17:49,744 --> 00:17:51,024 Speaker 1: the top of my head who it was with the 391 00:17:51,064 --> 00:17:54,224 Speaker 1: logo tights. You know, they're really leaning into logo this time. 392 00:17:54,264 --> 00:17:57,064 Speaker 1: But yeah, branding people I'm not I'm not one hundred 393 00:17:57,104 --> 00:18:01,304 Speaker 1: percent with personally, and I wasn't mad about Doja Cat. 394 00:18:01,744 --> 00:18:03,704 Speaker 1: It was one of the more performative outfits of this 395 00:18:03,904 --> 00:18:05,184 Speaker 1: It was very performative. 396 00:18:05,344 --> 00:18:09,184 Speaker 3: I'm not sure if it was exactly on theme. 397 00:18:09,144 --> 00:18:10,984 Speaker 2: But I mean there's always like quite a people every 398 00:18:11,064 --> 00:18:13,104 Speaker 2: year who don't completely do their theme, or there's just 399 00:18:13,144 --> 00:18:15,344 Speaker 2: an interpretation that we don't see when we first look 400 00:18:15,384 --> 00:18:17,904 Speaker 2: at it. Sometimes I know people get really angry about that, 401 00:18:17,944 --> 00:18:19,784 Speaker 2: but sometimes I also think it's just like a nice 402 00:18:19,784 --> 00:18:22,184 Speaker 2: little surprise, even though they might get kicked out of 403 00:18:22,184 --> 00:18:24,224 Speaker 2: the Metgala. But do you think she just thought, I'm 404 00:18:24,224 --> 00:18:25,504 Speaker 2: not doing that, I'm doing my own thing. 405 00:18:26,144 --> 00:18:29,024 Speaker 3: Yeah, she did like a little photo shoot before the 406 00:18:29,064 --> 00:18:33,304 Speaker 3: Met Gala in this beautiful, like big oversized suit that 407 00:18:33,464 --> 00:18:36,304 Speaker 3: I thought would have been a better look on the carpet. 408 00:18:36,544 --> 00:18:37,904 Speaker 2: Actually she changed to go. 409 00:18:38,064 --> 00:18:38,304 Speaker 1: Yeah. 410 00:18:38,544 --> 00:18:40,864 Speaker 2: But a lot of slibs doing their own photo shoots 411 00:18:40,864 --> 00:18:43,424 Speaker 2: and posting them first because they say, like Kim Kardashian 412 00:18:43,464 --> 00:18:45,944 Speaker 2: will say, like they just couldn't control the lighting and 413 00:18:46,064 --> 00:18:48,704 Speaker 2: the angles on the red carpets. They do their own first, 414 00:18:48,744 --> 00:18:49,944 Speaker 2: like that's how high the snakes are. 415 00:18:51,504 --> 00:18:54,744 Speaker 1: Fashions Night of Night. But the Tom Brown effect was 416 00:18:54,864 --> 00:18:58,504 Speaker 1: very much apparent this year. I love Tom Brown, and 417 00:18:58,504 --> 00:19:00,984 Speaker 1: of course he's got formed with the met Gala because 418 00:19:00,984 --> 00:19:03,304 Speaker 1: his partner is Andrew Bolton, who's the head of the 419 00:19:03,304 --> 00:19:08,064 Speaker 1: Costume Institute, so that's always a nice tie in. So 420 00:19:08,104 --> 00:19:10,544 Speaker 1: they have great people. But I loved Alicia Keys. She 421 00:19:10,544 --> 00:19:14,104 Speaker 1: does love a kind of beaded wig situation. So she 422 00:19:14,184 --> 00:19:17,144 Speaker 1: finished off her that that really solid sort of red 423 00:19:17,304 --> 00:19:20,344 Speaker 1: stripe suit off the shoulder with bustio, you know, and 424 00:19:20,384 --> 00:19:27,064 Speaker 1: then this kind of padded cape, Like yeah, I thought 425 00:19:27,104 --> 00:19:29,664 Speaker 1: it was very bold and again tapping into that just 426 00:19:29,784 --> 00:19:33,984 Speaker 1: kind of unashamed bold tailoring, which is what this kind 427 00:19:33,984 --> 00:19:37,104 Speaker 1: of dandy thing is all about, and just self expression. 428 00:19:37,584 --> 00:19:39,704 Speaker 1: It's all about that. One of the other men I 429 00:19:39,744 --> 00:19:42,904 Speaker 1: loved was edvon Thompson, who's a designer who really leant 430 00:19:42,984 --> 00:19:44,864 Speaker 1: into this idea of self expression as well. I mean 431 00:19:44,904 --> 00:19:47,064 Speaker 1: the suit it almost looks like it's not a velvet. 432 00:19:47,064 --> 00:19:49,464 Speaker 1: It almost looks like it's like pony skin or something, 433 00:19:50,704 --> 00:19:55,384 Speaker 1: just not technically pony. That's so it's a red suit, 434 00:19:55,384 --> 00:19:57,504 Speaker 1: and then he's got this kind of let's hope it's 435 00:19:57,504 --> 00:19:59,784 Speaker 1: a faux fur kind of coat over the top, and 436 00:19:59,824 --> 00:20:04,344 Speaker 1: then this black leather, very slouchy beret and a huge, huge, 437 00:20:04,384 --> 00:20:07,144 Speaker 1: like red high biscuits, probably like a leather high biscuits, 438 00:20:07,184 --> 00:20:09,504 Speaker 1: So and a lot of the dandy stuff. It is 439 00:20:09,504 --> 00:20:11,584 Speaker 1: that self expression, but it's also like the use of 440 00:20:11,624 --> 00:20:14,104 Speaker 1: accessories as well as the bold colors and checks and 441 00:20:14,104 --> 00:20:17,104 Speaker 1: that kind of thing, just basically standing out from the crowd. 442 00:20:17,144 --> 00:20:19,984 Speaker 1: And I really thought that his look kind of tapped 443 00:20:20,024 --> 00:20:24,064 Speaker 1: into so many elements of that. He was great, great, Gregory. 444 00:20:24,864 --> 00:20:28,784 Speaker 3: How does this met gala compare to the rest, Like, 445 00:20:28,824 --> 00:20:29,784 Speaker 3: where would you rank it? 446 00:20:30,184 --> 00:20:34,544 Speaker 1: I think for interest factor, quite high, Yes, quite high 447 00:20:34,544 --> 00:20:36,904 Speaker 1: on the interest factor because of all those reasons we 448 00:20:36,984 --> 00:20:39,144 Speaker 1: sort of said earlier, it's and men's wear thing. It's 449 00:20:39,224 --> 00:20:42,464 Speaker 1: black men's wear focus and self expression and that kind 450 00:20:42,464 --> 00:20:44,584 Speaker 1: of thing. So I think, you know, for once the 451 00:20:44,624 --> 00:20:46,544 Speaker 1: women and the white men felt they were kind of 452 00:20:46,544 --> 00:20:50,424 Speaker 1: taking slightly a backseat to proceedings, so there was there 453 00:20:50,424 --> 00:20:53,104 Speaker 1: were good themes to talk about, I think, so that 454 00:20:53,264 --> 00:20:57,184 Speaker 1: I found really interesting. I have enjoyed this one same. 455 00:20:57,304 --> 00:20:59,304 Speaker 2: I feel like this is my favorite one. Yeah, it's 456 00:20:59,304 --> 00:21:00,904 Speaker 2: a favor one a long time. Just I guess for 457 00:21:00,944 --> 00:21:02,744 Speaker 2: the history and what we've seen the clothes, it's been 458 00:21:02,744 --> 00:21:04,944 Speaker 2: so incredible. Well, thank you so much for joining us 459 00:21:04,944 --> 00:21:07,624 Speaker 2: today and for giving us all that insight. It's so good. 460 00:21:09,384 --> 00:21:10,144 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. 461 00:21:12,144 --> 00:21:16,864 Speaker 3: Okay, Met Gala news aside, because we are, as mentioned before, 462 00:21:16,904 --> 00:21:19,824 Speaker 3: going to be doing a big Met Gala episode. 463 00:21:19,864 --> 00:21:21,944 Speaker 2: We're really hitting people over the head with it because 464 00:21:21,984 --> 00:21:22,624 Speaker 2: it's gonna be big. 465 00:21:22,664 --> 00:21:25,344 Speaker 3: Guys, It's gonna be big. Because I need to talk 466 00:21:25,384 --> 00:21:28,504 Speaker 3: about right now, something that's going on with my best 467 00:21:28,504 --> 00:21:29,104 Speaker 3: friend Beyonce. 468 00:21:29,344 --> 00:21:31,904 Speaker 2: Oh my god, what's happened to Beyonce? She's been through 469 00:21:31,944 --> 00:21:33,144 Speaker 2: an half leave alone, I know. 470 00:21:33,464 --> 00:21:37,344 Speaker 3: Okay, So Beyonce has kicked off her Cowboy Carter tour. 471 00:21:37,944 --> 00:21:42,024 Speaker 3: It's the second installation of her trifecta. We had Renaissance 472 00:21:42,024 --> 00:21:44,704 Speaker 3: earlier Cowboy Carter. Don't know what's gonna come next. It's 473 00:21:44,744 --> 00:21:45,264 Speaker 3: gonna be good. 474 00:21:45,424 --> 00:21:47,304 Speaker 2: It's meant to be like a rock album, right She's 475 00:21:47,344 --> 00:21:49,224 Speaker 2: one of a dance album, a country album, and the 476 00:21:49,224 --> 00:21:50,384 Speaker 2: next one's gonna be a rock album. 477 00:21:50,584 --> 00:21:53,264 Speaker 3: I can't wait for that one, and also I think 478 00:21:53,304 --> 00:21:55,704 Speaker 3: we saw a glimpse at the Renaissance Tour where she 479 00:21:55,864 --> 00:21:58,824 Speaker 3: introduced Blue Ivy to the world as one of the 480 00:21:58,864 --> 00:22:02,304 Speaker 3: best dances I've ever seen. And Blue Ivy is also 481 00:22:02,504 --> 00:22:05,744 Speaker 3: in the Cowboy Carter Tour. She's like a prominent backup dancer. 482 00:22:05,784 --> 00:22:08,264 Speaker 2: Now, yes, the hard thing is with Blue Ivy is 483 00:22:08,264 --> 00:22:10,264 Speaker 2: that when she first appeared on stage with her mum, 484 00:22:10,744 --> 00:22:13,424 Speaker 2: she went quite viral for not a very nice reasons 485 00:22:13,424 --> 00:22:15,304 Speaker 2: that so many people were making fun of her dancing. 486 00:22:15,344 --> 00:22:17,304 Speaker 2: I mean, she's a little child, but she also was 487 00:22:17,344 --> 00:22:19,744 Speaker 2: like right next to Beyonce dancing with all of her 488 00:22:19,904 --> 00:22:23,784 Speaker 2: very talented, like well trained backup dancers, and everyone was 489 00:22:23,824 --> 00:22:25,224 Speaker 2: just making fun of her and saying like this is 490 00:22:25,224 --> 00:22:27,344 Speaker 2: what happens when you put an Neippo baby on stage 491 00:22:27,664 --> 00:22:30,344 Speaker 2: and like she looks basically people being super nasty about it. 492 00:22:30,544 --> 00:22:33,184 Speaker 2: So apparently after that, I was reading some interviews where 493 00:22:33,504 --> 00:22:36,024 Speaker 2: Blue Ivy's like trainers and dancers were talking and they 494 00:22:36,064 --> 00:22:38,264 Speaker 2: were saying that she's been training like three to four 495 00:22:38,264 --> 00:22:40,424 Speaker 2: hours a day, sometimes like just six hours a day, 496 00:22:40,704 --> 00:22:44,504 Speaker 2: nearly every day. It was like maybe much as piano practice. Yeah, 497 00:22:44,744 --> 00:22:46,984 Speaker 2: where like clearly the same level of I was a saying, 498 00:22:46,984 --> 00:22:48,864 Speaker 2: now you guys are in the same place. That's nice. 499 00:22:49,064 --> 00:22:51,144 Speaker 2: So she's been like ever since then, so like well 500 00:22:51,144 --> 00:22:53,504 Speaker 2: over a year to get herself up to the level 501 00:22:53,504 --> 00:22:55,184 Speaker 2: where she is now. So every time she comes out 502 00:22:55,184 --> 00:22:57,904 Speaker 2: on stage now, she's like the girl's got something to prove. 503 00:22:57,824 --> 00:23:01,424 Speaker 3: And it's actually worked. Like if you didn't know that 504 00:23:01,504 --> 00:23:03,824 Speaker 3: she was Beyonce's daughter, you would just think she was a. 505 00:23:03,984 --> 00:23:06,064 Speaker 2: Backup Dan Well, I would hope they're doing three to 506 00:23:06,104 --> 00:23:08,624 Speaker 2: four hours, sometimes six hours a day dance training, Like 507 00:23:08,664 --> 00:23:11,784 Speaker 2: that's to me, that's almost too much would show up, 508 00:23:11,824 --> 00:23:12,824 Speaker 2: you know, with someone I'm. 509 00:23:12,744 --> 00:23:15,424 Speaker 3: Sure Northwest could have done so a few practices before 510 00:23:15,464 --> 00:23:18,104 Speaker 3: the line, she's too called for that. I actually showed 511 00:23:18,104 --> 00:23:20,024 Speaker 3: the video to my parents and they were like, whoa, 512 00:23:20,104 --> 00:23:20,984 Speaker 3: that's unbelievable. 513 00:23:21,064 --> 00:23:24,704 Speaker 2: Okay, that's obviously the only critique I care about, because 514 00:23:24,904 --> 00:23:28,904 Speaker 2: your parents wouldn't mince their words anyway. 515 00:23:29,024 --> 00:23:32,104 Speaker 3: Blue Ivy aside, I want to talk about the latest 516 00:23:32,144 --> 00:23:35,904 Speaker 3: debate that's come out of Beyonce's Cowboy Carter tour, which 517 00:23:35,984 --> 00:23:42,104 Speaker 3: speaks to what everyone's calling concert culture burnout. So here's 518 00:23:42,104 --> 00:23:46,704 Speaker 3: exactly what happened when the news of Beyonce's tour dropped. Obviously, 519 00:23:46,784 --> 00:23:49,544 Speaker 3: tickets went on sale. We've all been there. If you've 520 00:23:49,544 --> 00:23:51,904 Speaker 3: been to a concert, you're like waiting online. I think 521 00:23:51,984 --> 00:23:54,984 Speaker 3: everyone experienced this in the country for Taylor Swift's Eras tour. 522 00:23:55,624 --> 00:23:57,744 Speaker 3: I know everyone in that office, Dick, You're just like 523 00:23:57,864 --> 00:24:01,864 Speaker 3: in this online queue for hours trying to get in. 524 00:24:02,344 --> 00:24:05,224 Speaker 3: Same thing happened for Beyonce. It has been reported that 525 00:24:05,264 --> 00:24:09,224 Speaker 3: people were in queues from thirty thousand to eighty thousand 526 00:24:09,304 --> 00:24:10,024 Speaker 3: people long. 527 00:24:10,464 --> 00:24:12,264 Speaker 2: There were technical glitches. 528 00:24:11,864 --> 00:24:15,344 Speaker 3: People were being kicked out, and like hours and hours 529 00:24:15,464 --> 00:24:18,664 Speaker 3: later if someone finally got in. It was reported that 530 00:24:18,784 --> 00:24:22,784 Speaker 3: nosebleed seats were going up to six hundred dollars USD. 531 00:24:22,904 --> 00:24:25,584 Speaker 2: Wow, that is just well, I kind of believe with Beyonce, 532 00:24:25,704 --> 00:24:26,664 Speaker 2: but it does sound insane. 533 00:24:26,704 --> 00:24:29,664 Speaker 3: And the thing is, it's not Beyonce's fault. So the 534 00:24:29,704 --> 00:24:31,784 Speaker 3: whole system it was on ticket Master and this is 535 00:24:31,784 --> 00:24:36,144 Speaker 3: what happens when Ticketmaster uses dynamic pricing, which is pricing 536 00:24:36,264 --> 00:24:37,264 Speaker 3: based on demand. 537 00:24:37,784 --> 00:24:41,104 Speaker 2: So the backlash was huge. X was going. 538 00:24:40,944 --> 00:24:43,344 Speaker 3: Absolutely crazy with people saying that it was stressful, the 539 00:24:43,344 --> 00:24:46,624 Speaker 3: whole process was stressful. Beyonce was greedy, the whole thing 540 00:24:46,744 --> 00:24:49,904 Speaker 3: was bullshit. And because of the pricing of these tickets, 541 00:24:49,944 --> 00:24:53,424 Speaker 3: there were entire rows that were left unsold during pre 542 00:24:53,584 --> 00:24:57,144 Speaker 3: sale and a very slow and lagged sale during the 543 00:24:57,224 --> 00:24:59,824 Speaker 3: general admission, which was something that I feel like is 544 00:25:00,064 --> 00:25:04,464 Speaker 3: literally unthinkable in any previous Beyonce concert. So the whole 545 00:25:04,464 --> 00:25:06,464 Speaker 3: thing is about dynamic pricing, as I mentioned before, and 546 00:25:06,544 --> 00:25:09,384 Speaker 3: dynamic pricing is kind of similar to you know, when 547 00:25:09,824 --> 00:25:12,304 Speaker 3: we ordered ubers, and if you're at a concert or 548 00:25:12,344 --> 00:25:15,144 Speaker 3: like at a festival, the uber pricing just goes surgeres 549 00:25:15,384 --> 00:25:17,904 Speaker 3: surges or if it rains or something. It's the same 550 00:25:18,024 --> 00:25:21,384 Speaker 3: with ticket Master. So because people are waiting for the 551 00:25:21,424 --> 00:25:23,984 Speaker 3: tickets to drop, like you're literally counting down the seconds 552 00:25:24,024 --> 00:25:26,384 Speaker 3: before you go into the website, it sees like this 553 00:25:26,544 --> 00:25:30,624 Speaker 3: whole insurge of people, so the price is just goes skyrocketing. 554 00:25:31,104 --> 00:25:33,704 Speaker 3: And now it's been reported that there's tickets for these 555 00:25:33,744 --> 00:25:36,464 Speaker 3: Beyonce shows that are now going for fifty seven dollars. 556 00:25:37,224 --> 00:25:41,384 Speaker 2: That is insane imagining Beyonce for fifty seven dollars and 557 00:25:41,384 --> 00:25:44,944 Speaker 2: people like usually over there would be more expensive than that, honestly. 558 00:25:45,104 --> 00:25:48,424 Speaker 3: And what makes it even worse is that the website 559 00:25:48,464 --> 00:25:51,624 Speaker 3: isn't allowing people who bought tickets for six hundred dollars 560 00:25:51,664 --> 00:25:54,504 Speaker 3: to transfer them for the cheaper tickets, so you're not 561 00:25:54,544 --> 00:25:57,144 Speaker 3: allowed to get a refund or anything like that, and 562 00:25:57,344 --> 00:26:00,664 Speaker 3: people aren't able to also resell their tickets. So it's 563 00:26:00,704 --> 00:26:02,944 Speaker 3: just become this whole whole mess which is making people 564 00:26:03,384 --> 00:26:06,984 Speaker 3: really upset, which is rightfully so, and also just really 565 00:26:07,624 --> 00:26:10,904 Speaker 3: upsetting for the musician because we also don't know how 566 00:26:10,984 --> 00:26:14,544 Speaker 3: much control the musician actually has, because I feel like 567 00:26:14,584 --> 00:26:18,424 Speaker 3: when it comes to these ticketing websites, it's so siloedes, 568 00:26:18,464 --> 00:26:20,664 Speaker 3: like there's no competition, kind of like airlines, right, It's 569 00:26:20,664 --> 00:26:22,664 Speaker 3: no competition, so you just have to pay what you 570 00:26:22,664 --> 00:26:24,744 Speaker 3: want to pay, and it kind of gambles with the 571 00:26:24,744 --> 00:26:27,824 Speaker 3: idea of how desperately people want to see their favorite 572 00:26:28,064 --> 00:26:31,824 Speaker 3: pop star live. And I do think the whole thing 573 00:26:31,864 --> 00:26:35,344 Speaker 3: about concert burnout has come just from the pricing, because 574 00:26:35,344 --> 00:26:37,864 Speaker 3: at the same time, a week later, we see Lady 575 00:26:37,864 --> 00:26:41,944 Speaker 3: Gaga who performs for free a free concert in Copacabana 576 00:26:42,264 --> 00:26:47,744 Speaker 3: Beach in Rio. Two point one million people attended that concert. Jesus, 577 00:26:48,264 --> 00:26:51,784 Speaker 3: So it's not about like being flustered in crowds or 578 00:26:51,824 --> 00:26:52,384 Speaker 3: anything like that. 579 00:26:52,424 --> 00:26:53,984 Speaker 1: It's literally all to do with. 580 00:26:54,064 --> 00:26:56,584 Speaker 3: Just surprising, and I think it's just such a shame, 581 00:26:56,664 --> 00:27:00,704 Speaker 3: especially when you see younger artists who know that they're 582 00:27:00,704 --> 00:27:02,504 Speaker 3: not going to get any money back from this concert 583 00:27:02,584 --> 00:27:05,904 Speaker 3: because so much goes to like everyone who's working on it, 584 00:27:05,944 --> 00:27:09,624 Speaker 3: plus the venue, plus the merch stands, like everything, and 585 00:27:09,664 --> 00:27:11,744 Speaker 3: they just want to prefer for their fans and they 586 00:27:11,744 --> 00:27:12,584 Speaker 3: physically can't. 587 00:27:12,864 --> 00:27:14,224 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of it does come down 588 00:27:14,224 --> 00:27:16,464 Speaker 2: to pricing, because it wasn't that the conversation when like 589 00:27:16,584 --> 00:27:18,904 Speaker 2: taylorsof was here with her Eras tour and so many 590 00:27:18,984 --> 00:27:22,224 Speaker 2: people spent like their yearly holiday budget on that by 591 00:27:22,264 --> 00:27:23,864 Speaker 2: the time they bought their ticket and they had to 592 00:27:23,904 --> 00:27:27,504 Speaker 2: travel their hotel, ten thousand dollars people were spending exactly. 593 00:27:27,544 --> 00:27:30,024 Speaker 2: And then a lot of those live music festivals or 594 00:27:30,024 --> 00:27:32,104 Speaker 2: all those kind of things where normally people would pay 595 00:27:32,144 --> 00:27:34,944 Speaker 2: to that just saw this huge decline in ticket sales, 596 00:27:34,984 --> 00:27:36,704 Speaker 2: and like when you read the interviews with people who 597 00:27:36,704 --> 00:27:38,424 Speaker 2: are involved in that, so much of that was because 598 00:27:38,464 --> 00:27:41,024 Speaker 2: they think that people just spent their budget on something 599 00:27:41,064 --> 00:27:44,344 Speaker 2: else that year. And it's interesting even with something like Coachella, 600 00:27:44,424 --> 00:27:46,864 Speaker 2: Like apparently this year with Coachella, it was the first 601 00:27:46,904 --> 00:27:49,904 Speaker 2: time that the majority of tickets of like the general 602 00:27:49,944 --> 00:27:52,784 Speaker 2: mission tickets were bought with like pay later schemes or 603 00:27:52,824 --> 00:27:54,984 Speaker 2: were bought on credit. So for the first time ever, 604 00:27:55,464 --> 00:27:57,784 Speaker 2: people were having to sort of budget and like pay 605 00:27:57,824 --> 00:28:00,104 Speaker 2: for their tickets over time, whereas usually they kind of 606 00:28:00,144 --> 00:28:03,104 Speaker 2: purchased just in one go. So it's kind of interesting 607 00:28:03,104 --> 00:28:05,704 Speaker 2: because like that is like that whole concert tourism thing 608 00:28:05,744 --> 00:28:08,144 Speaker 2: that we talk about, Like that's your holiday budget for 609 00:28:08,224 --> 00:28:10,064 Speaker 2: the year to go. And so if you're going on 610 00:28:10,064 --> 00:28:12,224 Speaker 2: to get a Beyonce ticket, you're like, oh, fly to 611 00:28:12,344 --> 00:28:14,024 Speaker 2: La to see her or whatever, then you have to 612 00:28:14,024 --> 00:28:16,384 Speaker 2: factor in like a two thousand dollar ticket on top 613 00:28:16,424 --> 00:28:19,184 Speaker 2: of your flights and everything. Imagine also being Beyonce and 614 00:28:19,224 --> 00:28:21,144 Speaker 2: looking because when you watch like some of the live 615 00:28:21,184 --> 00:28:23,864 Speaker 2: streams of her concerts, you can see that there's blocks 616 00:28:23,864 --> 00:28:26,024 Speaker 2: of seats empty when the lights and stuff go around. 617 00:28:26,064 --> 00:28:28,584 Speaker 3: That's exactly imagine being her and seeing empty. 618 00:28:28,264 --> 00:28:31,104 Speaker 2: Seats and being like, I'm the greatest, like living artist 619 00:28:31,144 --> 00:28:34,104 Speaker 2: of all time. I'm up here playing this iconic that 620 00:28:34,184 --> 00:28:36,664 Speaker 2: I won a Grammy Award for like in a huge way. 621 00:28:37,144 --> 00:28:39,344 Speaker 2: And then you know, I'm bringing out all these different 622 00:28:39,424 --> 00:28:41,904 Speaker 2: kind of dancers and there's all these hidden meanings, and 623 00:28:41,944 --> 00:28:43,384 Speaker 2: it's all this kind of thing and looking out to 624 00:28:43,424 --> 00:28:46,624 Speaker 2: the audience and seeing these big blocks of empty seats because. 625 00:28:46,424 --> 00:28:48,224 Speaker 3: Your fans can't afford to be there. Yeah. 626 00:28:48,424 --> 00:28:51,384 Speaker 2: Oh I would hate that intense right. It's kind of 627 00:28:51,384 --> 00:28:53,624 Speaker 2: interesting because you look at someone like Jennifer Lopez who 628 00:28:53,624 --> 00:28:55,864 Speaker 2: tried to have a big worldwide tour and had to 629 00:28:55,904 --> 00:28:58,504 Speaker 2: cancel due to poor ticket sales, and everyone's like, oh, 630 00:28:58,504 --> 00:29:00,424 Speaker 2: this is because everyone hates j Low now and I 631 00:29:00,464 --> 00:29:01,424 Speaker 2: never thought that was the case. 632 00:29:02,104 --> 00:29:04,824 Speaker 3: Katy Perry, Yeah, everyone's like slamming her for what not 633 00:29:04,944 --> 00:29:08,064 Speaker 3: selling out concerts. Yeah, like it's a Kay Perry show. 634 00:29:08,184 --> 00:29:10,144 Speaker 2: Also, have you seenilar trending stuff about her? 635 00:29:10,904 --> 00:29:12,784 Speaker 3: I feel like it's become such a bad pilot. 636 00:29:12,904 --> 00:29:15,224 Speaker 2: It's yeah. I mean, look, she has done some weird things, 637 00:29:15,224 --> 00:29:17,184 Speaker 2: but I just think that it's just become very easy 638 00:29:17,224 --> 00:29:19,544 Speaker 2: to hate her. Yeah. And also I just think it's 639 00:29:19,544 --> 00:29:21,624 Speaker 2: that trending sound from your favor thing in the world, 640 00:29:21,704 --> 00:29:24,424 Speaker 2: Saturday Night Life, where they kind of show like a 641 00:29:24,464 --> 00:29:28,064 Speaker 2: Sabrina Kelsey Ballerini, a Taylor Swift and then they end 642 00:29:28,104 --> 00:29:30,104 Speaker 2: on Katie Perry where she's doing that weird run where 643 00:29:30,144 --> 00:29:33,024 Speaker 2: she's leaping across the stage. But it's just her vibe, 644 00:29:33,024 --> 00:29:33,944 Speaker 2: but just having fun. 645 00:29:34,144 --> 00:29:36,904 Speaker 3: Yeah, the pop starts have fun. Thank you so much 646 00:29:36,904 --> 00:29:39,464 Speaker 3: for listening to the Spill today. Don't forget if we 647 00:29:39,544 --> 00:29:41,464 Speaker 3: haven't shouted it at you enough. 648 00:29:41,904 --> 00:29:42,624 Speaker 2: We didn't mention it. 649 00:29:42,704 --> 00:29:45,744 Speaker 3: We are doing a very big deep dive into the 650 00:29:45,944 --> 00:29:49,424 Speaker 3: entire met gala, not just the looks, but also the interviews, 651 00:29:49,504 --> 00:29:51,784 Speaker 3: everything that went on backstay. 652 00:29:51,544 --> 00:29:53,704 Speaker 2: Finds in gossip, the after party. 653 00:29:53,744 --> 00:29:56,224 Speaker 3: Look, it's gonna be a good one. The Spill is 654 00:29:56,264 --> 00:29:59,064 Speaker 3: produced by Amy Kimball with sound production by Scott Stronik. 655 00:29:59,064 --> 00:30:00,744 Speaker 3: And we'll be back here on your podcast feed at 656 00:30:00,784 --> 00:30:02,024 Speaker 3: three pm tomorrow. 657 00:30:02,104 --> 00:30:09,264 Speaker 2: Bye bye, Lana. 658 00:30:10,424 --> 00:30:10,464 Speaker 1: He