1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:10,914 Speaker 1: You're listening to a mom and mea podcast. 2 00:00:20,754 --> 00:00:23,314 Speaker 2: Welcome to Parenting out Loud. This is the podcast. It's 3 00:00:23,314 --> 00:00:25,834 Speaker 2: not like other parenting podcasts. Okay, we don't tell you 4 00:00:25,914 --> 00:00:29,234 Speaker 2: how to parent. We just kind of examine the culture 5 00:00:29,634 --> 00:00:32,513 Speaker 2: of parenting. It's sort of the news and the trends 6 00:00:32,793 --> 00:00:34,674 Speaker 2: and the things that you see out in the ether 7 00:00:34,833 --> 00:00:36,634 Speaker 2: and you think, wait, is this what we're doing now. 8 00:00:36,994 --> 00:00:40,553 Speaker 3: I'm Monic Bowli, I'm Amelia Luster, and I'm Stacy Hicks. 9 00:00:40,873 --> 00:00:44,233 Speaker 3: And coming up on today's show, Michelle Obama has dropped 10 00:00:44,233 --> 00:00:48,314 Speaker 3: a truth bomb this week and it's a little bit controversial. 11 00:00:47,994 --> 00:00:52,314 Speaker 2: A finger directed at a family. How an airport moment 12 00:00:52,634 --> 00:00:55,514 Speaker 2: this week turned into a pylon and what it says 13 00:00:55,674 --> 00:00:57,074 Speaker 2: about conflict. 14 00:00:56,994 --> 00:01:00,073 Speaker 4: And look, Stacy and Mon's want to talk about cleaning. 15 00:01:00,474 --> 00:01:02,314 Speaker 4: So I guess I'll indulge them. 16 00:01:02,714 --> 00:01:05,554 Speaker 3: We've worn her down. She's gonna let us this week. 17 00:01:07,314 --> 00:01:07,754 Speaker 1: You missed it. 18 00:01:07,794 --> 00:01:13,074 Speaker 2: This week, I'm bringing you guys and even billionaires cannot 19 00:01:13,154 --> 00:01:16,714 Speaker 2: agree on parenting story. So the head one I saw 20 00:01:16,754 --> 00:01:21,194 Speaker 2: here was Grimes reveals the huge parenting debate she has 21 00:01:21,234 --> 00:01:25,434 Speaker 2: with x Elon Musk over co parenting rules. So it 22 00:01:25,474 --> 00:01:29,034 Speaker 2: started when Grimes tweeted about her kids, saying she tries 23 00:01:29,114 --> 00:01:31,114 Speaker 2: not to talk about them publicly because she thinks they 24 00:01:31,154 --> 00:01:34,594 Speaker 2: deserve anonymity, and people replied to her on Twitter, and 25 00:01:34,634 --> 00:01:37,594 Speaker 2: someone asked her, Hey, do your kids get screen time? 26 00:01:38,514 --> 00:01:42,954 Speaker 2: And she said, huge debate because the other parent is 27 00:01:43,114 --> 00:01:47,114 Speaker 2: fine with it, but it's fairly avoided if it happens. 28 00:01:47,114 --> 00:01:50,354 Speaker 2: We focus on great art and ideally slowest stuff like Ghibli, 29 00:01:50,674 --> 00:01:52,834 Speaker 2: So she means Studio Ghibli, which is like a Japanese 30 00:01:52,874 --> 00:01:56,714 Speaker 2: animation that's quite slow and much slower than say, your 31 00:01:56,754 --> 00:02:01,234 Speaker 2: poor patrols. So she's anti screens, whereas they are free 32 00:02:01,314 --> 00:02:04,594 Speaker 2: for all in the Muskhouse. And this isn't the first 33 00:02:04,634 --> 00:02:07,754 Speaker 2: time that she's sort of publicly gone against Elon. She 34 00:02:07,794 --> 00:02:10,154 Speaker 2: called him out last year for parading their son around 35 00:02:10,194 --> 00:02:13,794 Speaker 2: the Oval office and she said, I, unfortunately do not 36 00:02:13,913 --> 00:02:17,194 Speaker 2: control the internet and cannot wipe this from the Internet. 37 00:02:17,594 --> 00:02:20,954 Speaker 2: I've tried begging the public and my kid's dad to 38 00:02:21,034 --> 00:02:23,954 Speaker 2: keep them offline, and I've tried legal recourse. 39 00:02:24,194 --> 00:02:27,194 Speaker 3: I love that she's taking him to task on his platform. 40 00:02:27,314 --> 00:02:27,474 Speaker 4: Two. 41 00:02:27,794 --> 00:02:29,714 Speaker 3: This is my favorite thing. She's like, this is the 42 00:02:29,754 --> 00:02:31,794 Speaker 3: only way I'm going to get his attention. I'm going 43 00:02:31,834 --> 00:02:33,594 Speaker 3: to blast him on his own platform. 44 00:02:33,674 --> 00:02:36,274 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just thought it was interesting because to me, 45 00:02:36,354 --> 00:02:39,674 Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like necessarily a celeb story or a 46 00:02:39,714 --> 00:02:42,954 Speaker 2: story of billionaires. This is a story about how hard 47 00:02:42,954 --> 00:02:46,434 Speaker 2: it is to control anything your co parent does when 48 00:02:46,434 --> 00:02:48,874 Speaker 2: it's sort of their turn to parent, when it's their 49 00:02:48,874 --> 00:02:49,714 Speaker 2: turn for custody. 50 00:02:50,034 --> 00:02:52,594 Speaker 4: I'm just finding it hard to imagine what it would 51 00:02:52,634 --> 00:02:56,874 Speaker 4: be like to co parent with the person that is 52 00:02:56,954 --> 00:03:01,034 Speaker 4: thought to soon become the world's first trillionaire. Can you 53 00:03:01,114 --> 00:03:04,673 Speaker 4: imagine I mean, trying to take the world's first trillionaire 54 00:03:04,754 --> 00:03:07,034 Speaker 4: to court. I don't think that would be easy to do, 55 00:03:07,274 --> 00:03:09,194 Speaker 4: and I think it would be even harder to argue 56 00:03:09,194 --> 00:03:11,874 Speaker 4: with him about poor patrol and sometimes your kids just 57 00:03:11,874 --> 00:03:12,994 Speaker 4: want to watch some poor patrol. 58 00:03:14,914 --> 00:03:17,914 Speaker 3: I feel like Michelle Obama would be my dream dinner 59 00:03:17,954 --> 00:03:21,194 Speaker 3: party guest. Do you feel this, Yes, I just feel 60 00:03:21,194 --> 00:03:22,954 Speaker 3: like she'd be one of those people that brings like 61 00:03:23,154 --> 00:03:26,674 Speaker 3: a really good baked potato, and she'd like dance on 62 00:03:26,714 --> 00:03:29,354 Speaker 3: the table, and she'd drink heaps of shamps and she'd 63 00:03:29,394 --> 00:03:32,434 Speaker 3: tell you really good tea. I am obsessed with her 64 00:03:32,594 --> 00:03:34,514 Speaker 3: a little bit, and I also think it's because she's 65 00:03:34,554 --> 00:03:36,674 Speaker 3: five foot ten. So she's a tall girl, and I 66 00:03:36,754 --> 00:03:39,394 Speaker 3: just naturally have an affinity to people who are my 67 00:03:39,514 --> 00:03:43,434 Speaker 3: own size. But this week, my close personal friend Michelle 68 00:03:43,474 --> 00:03:47,394 Speaker 3: Obama said something that hit me like a freight train. 69 00:03:47,434 --> 00:03:49,394 Speaker 3: I haven't actually been able to stop thinking about it. 70 00:03:49,714 --> 00:03:52,274 Speaker 3: She was on the Call Her Daddy podcast, So if 71 00:03:52,314 --> 00:03:54,754 Speaker 3: you're not familiar with this podcast, always the number one 72 00:03:54,834 --> 00:03:58,394 Speaker 3: or number two podcast in the world. Always huge stars 73 00:03:58,394 --> 00:03:59,594 Speaker 3: on this show, and would. 74 00:03:59,434 --> 00:04:01,634 Speaker 1: Either us or call her Daddy exactly. 75 00:04:01,834 --> 00:04:05,034 Speaker 3: It's neck and neck that Joe Blokes. 76 00:04:04,554 --> 00:04:06,954 Speaker 1: Cooper step aside exactly. 77 00:04:07,274 --> 00:04:10,834 Speaker 3: Joe way further down the list, and she always kind 78 00:04:10,834 --> 00:04:13,034 Speaker 3: of speaks in about a whole broad range of things. 79 00:04:13,274 --> 00:04:15,194 Speaker 3: So Michelle was doing the same. She was saying, you 80 00:04:15,234 --> 00:04:17,474 Speaker 3: would have to drag her back if Obama did a 81 00:04:17,474 --> 00:04:21,114 Speaker 3: third term. She's just not interested at all. But this 82 00:04:21,234 --> 00:04:22,993 Speaker 3: is the part that got a lot of people talking 83 00:04:23,034 --> 00:04:23,474 Speaker 3: this week. 84 00:04:23,794 --> 00:04:25,633 Speaker 5: You don't have to get off your career track. And 85 00:04:25,714 --> 00:04:28,713 Speaker 5: I don't even recommend it, because kids grow up fast 86 00:04:29,674 --> 00:04:32,794 Speaker 5: and then they're gone, like you've sacrificed everything. And you 87 00:04:32,834 --> 00:04:35,673 Speaker 5: know when they lead, they lead, they close the door 88 00:04:35,674 --> 00:04:37,633 Speaker 5: and act like you never sacrifice. 89 00:04:37,674 --> 00:04:40,914 Speaker 1: They're like, I remember you, I don't need you anymore. 90 00:04:40,873 --> 00:04:44,394 Speaker 5: Right, I'm like, you better have saved something for yourself 91 00:04:44,674 --> 00:04:48,033 Speaker 5: so that when that period comes and they're ready to 92 00:04:48,113 --> 00:04:52,153 Speaker 5: move on, and you're also not holding on longer, because 93 00:04:52,274 --> 00:04:53,354 Speaker 5: now what I'm gonna do. 94 00:04:53,674 --> 00:04:56,593 Speaker 3: I initially took this at face value. I saw this 95 00:04:56,633 --> 00:04:59,713 Speaker 3: clip and was like, jeez, that is right, Like there 96 00:04:59,753 --> 00:05:02,874 Speaker 3: are parts of yourself that you need to hold on to. 97 00:05:03,154 --> 00:05:05,833 Speaker 3: And she's right, my daughter will eventually want nothing to 98 00:05:05,834 --> 00:05:08,034 Speaker 3: do with me, probably, and so you've got to be 99 00:05:08,073 --> 00:05:10,073 Speaker 3: thinking about that. But I know, Mon's when we brought 100 00:05:10,073 --> 00:05:11,794 Speaker 3: this up, you kind of had a different take, and 101 00:05:11,834 --> 00:05:13,633 Speaker 3: a lot of people in the comments definitely had a 102 00:05:13,633 --> 00:05:14,154 Speaker 3: different take. 103 00:05:14,474 --> 00:05:17,674 Speaker 2: So I think the first thing to say is Michelle 104 00:05:17,714 --> 00:05:20,593 Speaker 2: Obama says a lot of great shit, Like she's got 105 00:05:20,594 --> 00:05:23,073 Speaker 2: her own podcasts with her brother, they talk a lot 106 00:05:23,073 --> 00:05:26,153 Speaker 2: about parenting. There's a bit of layers to this that 107 00:05:26,193 --> 00:05:27,633 Speaker 2: I just want to kind of pull apart if we can. 108 00:05:27,753 --> 00:05:31,113 Speaker 2: The first is like, I feel like we prepare mums 109 00:05:31,274 --> 00:05:35,073 Speaker 2: very well for pregnancy, sort of retric around pregnancy, around 110 00:05:35,154 --> 00:05:40,953 Speaker 2: sleep deprivation, around early years of parenting. We do, not, however, 111 00:05:41,234 --> 00:05:45,633 Speaker 2: prepare mums or parents for the years when they're no 112 00:05:45,714 --> 00:05:48,433 Speaker 2: longer sort of a main character in their kids' life, 113 00:05:48,873 --> 00:05:51,913 Speaker 2: and this is a woman who is living that right now, 114 00:05:52,274 --> 00:05:54,994 Speaker 2: and she's very much the Canarian the coal mine for us, 115 00:05:55,753 --> 00:05:58,113 Speaker 2: and I think she's signaling this is a very real 116 00:05:58,113 --> 00:06:00,034 Speaker 2: thing and we want to talk about it. But I'm 117 00:06:00,234 --> 00:06:03,593 Speaker 2: also really interested in zooming out even further and talking 118 00:06:03,633 --> 00:06:07,153 Speaker 2: about why she chose call her daddy to talk about this. 119 00:06:07,633 --> 00:06:10,873 Speaker 2: Because she's Michelle Obama. She could have said this in 120 00:06:10,914 --> 00:06:12,674 Speaker 2: a Ted talk, she could have said it on her 121 00:06:12,714 --> 00:06:14,393 Speaker 2: own podcast, she could have written it in a book. 122 00:06:14,513 --> 00:06:16,674 Speaker 2: She could have done a women's leadership seminar and talked 123 00:06:16,674 --> 00:06:19,633 Speaker 2: about it. Why did she choose call her daddy. 124 00:06:19,873 --> 00:06:24,273 Speaker 4: It's a really interesting question because call her daddy's demographics. 125 00:06:24,313 --> 00:06:27,634 Speaker 4: When you think about who's listening to that podcast in general, 126 00:06:27,794 --> 00:06:32,513 Speaker 4: it is younger women. It's certainly not women who were 127 00:06:32,553 --> 00:06:36,193 Speaker 4: coping with empty nests and who have grown children, who 128 00:06:36,193 --> 00:06:39,394 Speaker 4: I think are the target listeners of that podcast. It's 129 00:06:39,393 --> 00:06:41,914 Speaker 4: a very interesting question. I think part of it is 130 00:06:41,953 --> 00:06:44,113 Speaker 4: this is a little bit of a controversial thing to say, 131 00:06:44,234 --> 00:06:46,474 Speaker 4: or at least that's how it first struck me. I wondered, 132 00:06:46,633 --> 00:06:49,354 Speaker 4: is she entering into the mummy wars a little bit. 133 00:06:49,474 --> 00:06:53,313 Speaker 4: Is she saying that you need to keep a kind 134 00:06:53,313 --> 00:06:57,713 Speaker 4: of professional track alive when your kids are little, And 135 00:06:57,753 --> 00:07:00,593 Speaker 4: therefore maybe that's why she chose call her Daddy, because 136 00:07:00,594 --> 00:07:04,154 Speaker 4: these young women who are making those pivotal decisions about 137 00:07:04,193 --> 00:07:07,193 Speaker 4: whether or not they keep their career going after they 138 00:07:07,234 --> 00:07:07,753 Speaker 4: have kids. 139 00:07:07,834 --> 00:07:10,554 Speaker 2: I had the same thought as you, Amelia, because I 140 00:07:10,554 --> 00:07:14,673 Speaker 2: think what we're seeing in podcasting, it's reached a turning 141 00:07:14,714 --> 00:07:19,153 Speaker 2: point where it now outperforms kind of legacy media. Podcasting 142 00:07:19,194 --> 00:07:23,153 Speaker 2: is what many say won Trump the election in the 143 00:07:23,194 --> 00:07:25,314 Speaker 2: bro vote in the last US election. So he did 144 00:07:25,354 --> 00:07:27,393 Speaker 2: an interview on the Joe Rogan Show, which has the 145 00:07:27,434 --> 00:07:30,754 Speaker 2: same kind of footprint as Call Her Daddy. Right, And 146 00:07:30,834 --> 00:07:34,674 Speaker 2: this one appearance that Trump did on Rogan got him 147 00:07:34,674 --> 00:07:38,593 Speaker 2: one hundred million downloads across all platforms, and that was 148 00:07:38,634 --> 00:07:40,674 Speaker 2: more than double the amount of people that tuned into 149 00:07:40,714 --> 00:07:42,593 Speaker 2: the debate with him and Joe Biden. Look, anyway, the 150 00:07:42,634 --> 00:07:45,514 Speaker 2: reason I'm saying this is because Michelle Obama is no dummy. 151 00:07:46,114 --> 00:07:48,874 Speaker 2: Here's my theory. Like, right now in America, there's this 152 00:07:48,914 --> 00:07:53,153 Speaker 2: big uprising of conservative values and this push for tradwives 153 00:07:53,154 --> 00:07:56,234 Speaker 2: and stay at home mums and Michelle Obama sits on 154 00:07:56,274 --> 00:07:59,114 Speaker 2: the other side of politics, right, Amelia. Yeah, So is 155 00:07:59,154 --> 00:08:02,154 Speaker 2: this like sneaky feminism where she's saying, don't put all 156 00:08:02,154 --> 00:08:04,874 Speaker 2: your eggs in the mum basket, guys have something for 157 00:08:04,953 --> 00:08:05,474 Speaker 2: you as well. 158 00:08:05,554 --> 00:08:08,353 Speaker 4: I think it's a great theory because she is really 159 00:08:08,393 --> 00:08:11,994 Speaker 4: speaking from hard one experience here. Like quick thumbnail portrait 160 00:08:12,234 --> 00:08:16,354 Speaker 4: of Michelle Obama's working life when her husband won the 161 00:08:16,354 --> 00:08:20,754 Speaker 4: presidency in two thousand and eight, Michelle Obama was extremely 162 00:08:21,034 --> 00:08:24,473 Speaker 4: high achieving professionally. She was a hospital administrator at a 163 00:08:24,474 --> 00:08:28,034 Speaker 4: big hospital in Chicago. She worked very long hours. I 164 00:08:28,074 --> 00:08:31,594 Speaker 4: remember she told an anecdote way back then in two 165 00:08:31,634 --> 00:08:34,674 Speaker 4: thousand and eight about sometimes when she just wanted a 166 00:08:34,674 --> 00:08:37,154 Speaker 4: bit of time to herself after her long day at work, 167 00:08:37,194 --> 00:08:39,554 Speaker 4: she would pull into the driveway at home and she 168 00:08:39,554 --> 00:08:42,234 Speaker 4: would eat some fast food just before she had to 169 00:08:42,354 --> 00:08:44,394 Speaker 4: enter the house and engage with the chaos. So this 170 00:08:44,514 --> 00:08:47,593 Speaker 4: is a woman who was working around the clock outside 171 00:08:47,634 --> 00:08:50,954 Speaker 4: the home. Then her husband wins the presidency and she 172 00:08:51,074 --> 00:08:53,474 Speaker 4: has to give that job up, and that was not 173 00:08:53,554 --> 00:08:56,274 Speaker 4: a given. There were very few first ladies who'd had 174 00:08:56,314 --> 00:08:59,434 Speaker 4: to encounter that dilemma about whether or not they keep 175 00:08:59,434 --> 00:09:01,474 Speaker 4: their high powered job, but she did give it up. 176 00:09:01,834 --> 00:09:03,834 Speaker 4: She moved to a different city to live in the 177 00:09:03,834 --> 00:09:07,554 Speaker 4: White House, and she certainly embraced many our elements of 178 00:09:07,594 --> 00:09:10,514 Speaker 4: being a first lady. She worked on nutrition and exercise 179 00:09:10,634 --> 00:09:14,154 Speaker 4: and around best practices around those for particularly children. No 180 00:09:14,194 --> 00:09:16,154 Speaker 4: one would say that she started at home and didn't 181 00:09:16,194 --> 00:09:19,354 Speaker 4: do anything, but she had to give up the career 182 00:09:19,394 --> 00:09:23,114 Speaker 4: that she had built for herself. And now her children, 183 00:09:23,314 --> 00:09:25,994 Speaker 4: Malia and Sasha are in their twenties, they are out 184 00:09:26,034 --> 00:09:28,634 Speaker 4: of the home, they have graduated university, they're building their 185 00:09:28,674 --> 00:09:31,994 Speaker 4: own careers. I think this comes from a place of 186 00:09:32,074 --> 00:09:36,274 Speaker 4: real experience, because she wasn't able to keep working in 187 00:09:36,314 --> 00:09:38,154 Speaker 4: exactly the way she wanted to work. 188 00:09:38,514 --> 00:09:41,594 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I wonder whether it does stem beyond work 189 00:09:41,634 --> 00:09:44,394 Speaker 3: because when I saw this, and you know, it's very easy. 190 00:09:44,434 --> 00:09:46,914 Speaker 3: All three of us have a career that we're currently 191 00:09:46,914 --> 00:09:49,194 Speaker 3: in with young children, so it's very easy for us 192 00:09:49,234 --> 00:09:51,234 Speaker 3: to go, oh, well, we've you know, checked that box 193 00:09:51,234 --> 00:09:53,594 Speaker 3: because we're still doing, you know, a job outside the 194 00:09:53,634 --> 00:09:56,434 Speaker 3: home and we're not stay at home mothers. But I 195 00:09:56,474 --> 00:09:58,954 Speaker 3: feel like she was more talking broadly to stay at 196 00:09:58,954 --> 00:10:01,594 Speaker 3: home mothers as well, in terms of of course you 197 00:10:01,594 --> 00:10:04,834 Speaker 3: should sacrifice for your kids at different points. Of course 198 00:10:04,874 --> 00:10:07,833 Speaker 3: you should be leaning into them. But what she's saying is, 199 00:10:07,874 --> 00:10:11,594 Speaker 3: have something for you, whether that's friendships, whether that's a hobby. 200 00:10:11,754 --> 00:10:15,154 Speaker 3: You need to have something that you can be passionate about, 201 00:10:15,194 --> 00:10:17,154 Speaker 3: that you can be thinking about that brings you joy. 202 00:10:17,554 --> 00:10:20,394 Speaker 3: Once they do suddenly slam the door on you, like 203 00:10:20,434 --> 00:10:22,394 Speaker 3: it feels like we're so focused on their life and 204 00:10:22,434 --> 00:10:24,434 Speaker 3: getting them to that point, and that you'll get to 205 00:10:24,434 --> 00:10:25,794 Speaker 3: that point and go, what have I got? 206 00:10:25,834 --> 00:10:29,034 Speaker 2: Like it just counterpoint, like why why do we have 207 00:10:29,074 --> 00:10:31,074 Speaker 2: to have something for ourselves? Genuine question? 208 00:10:31,314 --> 00:10:33,754 Speaker 3: Wouldn't you feel like, you know, like when you get 209 00:10:33,794 --> 00:10:35,794 Speaker 3: like a rare date night where you just go out 210 00:10:35,794 --> 00:10:37,754 Speaker 3: with your partner and there's no kids there, and then 211 00:10:37,754 --> 00:10:39,354 Speaker 3: you find that you just talk about your kids the 212 00:10:39,354 --> 00:10:41,634 Speaker 3: whole time because that's the thing that the two of 213 00:10:41,634 --> 00:10:43,354 Speaker 3: you have in common, that's the thing that you're both 214 00:10:43,394 --> 00:10:46,234 Speaker 3: passionate about together. And it's like when you go out 215 00:10:46,234 --> 00:10:48,354 Speaker 3: with friends and you talk about so much more broad 216 00:10:48,394 --> 00:10:51,354 Speaker 3: reaching stuff. It does like fill your cup. I mean, 217 00:10:51,394 --> 00:10:53,674 Speaker 3: it's a cliche term, but it does. And so it 218 00:10:53,714 --> 00:10:55,754 Speaker 3: feels like that's what she's saying, Like you need to 219 00:10:55,794 --> 00:10:58,794 Speaker 3: have something else, because otherwise your life is still tied 220 00:10:58,834 --> 00:11:00,194 Speaker 3: to them and you can't let them go. 221 00:11:00,514 --> 00:11:03,874 Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know if I agree with this. So 222 00:11:04,234 --> 00:11:07,233 Speaker 2: what if your children do fill your cup? What if 223 00:11:07,274 --> 00:11:10,154 Speaker 2: you can treat this period of your life as a 224 00:11:10,194 --> 00:11:13,634 Speaker 2: season and you can throw yourself into it, and then 225 00:11:13,714 --> 00:11:17,154 Speaker 2: once they do walk out the door, then you start 226 00:11:17,274 --> 00:11:19,794 Speaker 2: to find yourself in another way, in the way that 227 00:11:20,114 --> 00:11:22,154 Speaker 2: you sort of when you become a mother. There's that 228 00:11:22,274 --> 00:11:25,674 Speaker 2: term mattress sense it does capture like the transition from 229 00:11:26,274 --> 00:11:28,834 Speaker 2: not having a child into having a child. You kind 230 00:11:28,834 --> 00:11:31,434 Speaker 2: of leave all that shit behind and you become someone else. 231 00:11:31,434 --> 00:11:33,594 Speaker 2: So why can't you just leave the mom behind and 232 00:11:33,634 --> 00:11:35,154 Speaker 2: find someone else at the end of the road. 233 00:11:35,514 --> 00:11:38,434 Speaker 4: Because I think it gets harder to adapt to new 234 00:11:38,474 --> 00:11:41,674 Speaker 4: practices and build new relationships as you get older. 235 00:11:41,874 --> 00:11:43,594 Speaker 1: That's just a reality. 236 00:11:43,154 --> 00:11:44,114 Speaker 3: That I mean. 237 00:11:44,194 --> 00:11:45,834 Speaker 4: I know, for instance, I've always wanted to learn how 238 00:11:45,834 --> 00:11:47,954 Speaker 4: to play tennis. The time for me to learn how 239 00:11:47,994 --> 00:11:50,514 Speaker 4: to play tennis was probably twenty years ago. I'm sure 240 00:11:50,554 --> 00:11:53,114 Speaker 4: I could go now and take lessons. I'm sure I could, 241 00:11:53,634 --> 00:11:57,114 Speaker 4: but a who has the time b I would feel 242 00:11:57,114 --> 00:11:59,874 Speaker 4: self conscious about it. I'm older now, and the acquisition 243 00:11:59,914 --> 00:12:02,514 Speaker 4: of new skills and new hobbies is just not as 244 00:12:02,554 --> 00:12:03,474 Speaker 4: easy as it used to be. 245 00:12:03,834 --> 00:12:06,394 Speaker 2: No, but it's very good for your brain. But here's 246 00:12:06,434 --> 00:12:09,394 Speaker 2: a counterpoint that articulates some of the discomfort that I 247 00:12:09,394 --> 00:12:11,394 Speaker 2: felt from this. And it was one of the comments 248 00:12:11,674 --> 00:12:13,994 Speaker 2: on this post, and it was from someone called Sarah 249 00:12:14,074 --> 00:12:18,434 Speaker 2: kay Lally. I'm going to paraphrase this. This framing assumes 250 00:12:18,434 --> 00:12:22,274 Speaker 2: motherhood is a loss unless it's balanced by a backup identity. 251 00:12:22,634 --> 00:12:26,674 Speaker 2: It treats children as temporary projects and sacrifice as something 252 00:12:26,754 --> 00:12:30,834 Speaker 2: resentful rather than as a meaningful vocation. The idea that 253 00:12:30,874 --> 00:12:33,514 Speaker 2: loving your children deeply orienting your life around them for 254 00:12:33,554 --> 00:12:36,354 Speaker 2: a season or even long term is somehow self araising 255 00:12:36,554 --> 00:12:39,674 Speaker 2: is deeply broken. She goes on, Motherhood isn't a career 256 00:12:39,714 --> 00:12:42,674 Speaker 2: detour to recover from. It's a relationship that reshapes who 257 00:12:42,754 --> 00:12:45,234 Speaker 2: you are in ways that don't expire when your kids 258 00:12:45,234 --> 00:12:45,594 Speaker 2: grow up. 259 00:12:45,914 --> 00:12:46,154 Speaker 6: Yeah. 260 00:12:46,274 --> 00:12:48,674 Speaker 3: I get that, but I think it's maybe this thing 261 00:12:48,714 --> 00:12:52,114 Speaker 3: of having to avoid that grief, of then reevaluating who 262 00:12:52,114 --> 00:12:54,674 Speaker 3: you are down the track. Like she said a couple 263 00:12:54,714 --> 00:12:56,274 Speaker 3: of months ago, there was another clip of her that 264 00:12:56,314 --> 00:12:58,314 Speaker 3: went viral where she was saying, don't listen to the 265 00:12:58,314 --> 00:13:00,234 Speaker 3: people with three year old kids, listen to the people 266 00:13:00,274 --> 00:13:02,714 Speaker 3: with twenty year old kids, because we've been through that 267 00:13:02,754 --> 00:13:05,914 Speaker 3: whole gamut. And I imagine that when you get to 268 00:13:05,954 --> 00:13:08,594 Speaker 3: that point where you do step away from, as you said, 269 00:13:08,594 --> 00:13:11,754 Speaker 3: that season of your life, it's a huge adjustment. And 270 00:13:11,834 --> 00:13:14,194 Speaker 3: if you've got something there to anchor you you've got 271 00:13:14,234 --> 00:13:17,794 Speaker 3: something else, then that's important. I think it is important 272 00:13:17,834 --> 00:13:20,114 Speaker 3: that your children aren't your entire life. Yeah, I mean 273 00:13:20,194 --> 00:13:20,794 Speaker 3: that comment. 274 00:13:21,034 --> 00:13:23,274 Speaker 4: It certainly makes me think, but I think there was 275 00:13:23,274 --> 00:13:25,914 Speaker 4: a phrase in there it assumes that parenting is a 276 00:13:25,914 --> 00:13:27,714 Speaker 4: temporary project something along with. 277 00:13:27,674 --> 00:13:29,554 Speaker 3: Those yay to some extent it is. 278 00:13:29,594 --> 00:13:32,794 Speaker 4: That's exactly what Michelle Obama is saying, because the whole 279 00:13:32,834 --> 00:13:37,314 Speaker 4: point is you want to cultivate and build individuals who 280 00:13:37,354 --> 00:13:41,194 Speaker 4: can build their own lives separate from you. I'd argue 281 00:13:41,194 --> 00:13:43,154 Speaker 4: that that's what's going on a little bit with the 282 00:13:43,194 --> 00:13:47,194 Speaker 4: Beckhams controversy and the idea of how do you negotiate 283 00:13:47,754 --> 00:13:51,074 Speaker 4: an independent and fulfilling relationship with your grown children. It 284 00:13:51,114 --> 00:13:52,994 Speaker 4: seems like a really hard thing to do. 285 00:13:53,314 --> 00:13:54,994 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think she's onto something. 286 00:13:55,274 --> 00:13:57,714 Speaker 4: And also I'm glad that you pointed out to me, Stacy, 287 00:13:57,794 --> 00:14:00,634 Speaker 4: that she isn't just talking about paid employment that her 288 00:14:00,634 --> 00:14:04,434 Speaker 4: wording is very particular. She says it's important to build 289 00:14:04,434 --> 00:14:08,154 Speaker 4: things for yourself. Yeah, and she's famous someone I've just 290 00:14:08,234 --> 00:14:10,634 Speaker 4: explained how she didn't take the career part that she 291 00:14:10,714 --> 00:14:13,514 Speaker 4: might have originally imagined for herself. But she's also famously 292 00:14:13,514 --> 00:14:15,833 Speaker 4: someone who really values her friends. Later on in the 293 00:14:15,834 --> 00:14:19,394 Speaker 4: same interview, she talks about how important friendship is, possibly 294 00:14:19,434 --> 00:14:23,394 Speaker 4: above all other relationships, because it's such a sustaining and 295 00:14:23,954 --> 00:14:25,274 Speaker 4: permanent fixture. 296 00:14:24,954 --> 00:14:25,634 Speaker 1: In your life. 297 00:14:25,954 --> 00:14:29,674 Speaker 4: So she clearly is someone who prioritizes friendship, and I 298 00:14:29,714 --> 00:14:33,314 Speaker 4: think that's perhaps the way she's inflecting that comment. 299 00:14:33,474 --> 00:14:36,554 Speaker 2: Yeah, I need you both to understand my role on 300 00:14:36,594 --> 00:14:40,234 Speaker 2: this show. Stacy. You bring the news. You are often 301 00:14:40,274 --> 00:14:42,594 Speaker 2: the oracle. You are way ahead of people when it 302 00:14:42,634 --> 00:14:44,794 Speaker 2: comes to trends, and I'll take it. 303 00:14:44,994 --> 00:14:46,034 Speaker 3: I'll take it. That's true. 304 00:14:46,034 --> 00:14:49,434 Speaker 1: You taught us about six seven before my children. That 305 00:14:49,634 --> 00:14:50,114 Speaker 1: is true. 306 00:14:50,194 --> 00:14:52,034 Speaker 3: Look, that one's my one I wear with a badge 307 00:14:52,034 --> 00:14:54,754 Speaker 3: of honor. I was so proud of myself for that one. 308 00:14:54,834 --> 00:14:57,874 Speaker 2: You also told us about the Ashley Tisdale blog before 309 00:14:57,914 --> 00:14:59,914 Speaker 2: it was published in the cut, which I thought was 310 00:15:00,074 --> 00:15:04,154 Speaker 2: extraordinarily fast. Amelia. You bring the analysis, you bring the 311 00:15:04,194 --> 00:15:05,634 Speaker 2: geopolitical landscape. 312 00:15:05,754 --> 00:15:10,434 Speaker 3: Okay, and just a go just face, because that's what's 313 00:15:10,434 --> 00:15:11,474 Speaker 3: important on an audio. 314 00:15:11,634 --> 00:15:16,074 Speaker 2: Mean me, I bring the domestic and the suburban, stay 315 00:15:16,074 --> 00:15:18,634 Speaker 2: in removal, clean Christmas. 316 00:15:18,794 --> 00:15:22,634 Speaker 4: The group the Christmas Tree Facebook group admitted to us 317 00:15:22,674 --> 00:15:25,554 Speaker 4: this week that you were a member of what Facebook group? 318 00:15:25,834 --> 00:15:26,554 Speaker 2: Mums who clean? 319 00:15:26,794 --> 00:15:28,994 Speaker 3: Mums are clean? Mums who clean? 320 00:15:29,394 --> 00:15:32,434 Speaker 2: This is my beat, guys, and sure the comments in 321 00:15:32,474 --> 00:15:35,794 Speaker 2: the reviews say, I love Stacy, I love Amelia. 322 00:15:36,194 --> 00:15:38,794 Speaker 1: Do you know what Stacey has the best style? 323 00:15:40,314 --> 00:15:42,594 Speaker 3: Thank you so much mum for putting it under a 324 00:15:42,634 --> 00:15:44,514 Speaker 3: fake name. I really appreciate it. 325 00:15:45,114 --> 00:15:48,714 Speaker 2: Some of us need to represent the common suburban parent. 326 00:15:49,394 --> 00:15:51,754 Speaker 2: So today I'm bringing you a cleaning trend that has 327 00:15:51,794 --> 00:15:56,434 Speaker 2: taken over TikTok. It's called slow vacuuming. 328 00:15:57,394 --> 00:16:00,154 Speaker 3: This is it the dumbest thing I've ever seen, sa 329 00:16:00,434 --> 00:16:03,794 Speaker 3: And I'm so excited that you're going to convince me otherwise. Okay. 330 00:16:03,954 --> 00:16:06,754 Speaker 2: So you know, normally when you get a vacuum, it's 331 00:16:06,794 --> 00:16:09,434 Speaker 2: like you just go for it, you go at turbo 332 00:16:09,554 --> 00:16:15,394 Speaker 2: speech on the rug. The new trend is to slow 333 00:16:15,634 --> 00:16:18,954 Speaker 2: it down to like a tenth of the speed Mon's. 334 00:16:19,114 --> 00:16:21,154 Speaker 1: Is this like fluffing a Christmas tree again? 335 00:16:21,274 --> 00:16:23,794 Speaker 4: Is this some kind of dirty sexual act with your 336 00:16:23,874 --> 00:16:24,674 Speaker 4: vacuum cleaner? 337 00:16:25,314 --> 00:16:30,314 Speaker 2: Yes, the experience, it is a sexual experience. It is 338 00:16:30,354 --> 00:16:30,994 Speaker 2: a revelation. 339 00:16:31,554 --> 00:16:31,794 Speaker 3: Look. 340 00:16:31,834 --> 00:16:34,594 Speaker 2: I tried to find the original source of slovacuuming on 341 00:16:34,634 --> 00:16:37,874 Speaker 2: TikTok and I couldn't. But here is creator Morgan Star. 342 00:16:38,234 --> 00:16:40,594 Speaker 2: At the time of recording this podcast, her video on 343 00:16:40,634 --> 00:16:43,354 Speaker 2: slovacuuming has nine million views. 344 00:16:43,514 --> 00:16:45,274 Speaker 6: I just want to thank that girl who made the 345 00:16:45,314 --> 00:16:49,114 Speaker 6: video on slovacuuming because I just vacuumed my eight x 346 00:16:49,154 --> 00:16:52,874 Speaker 6: ten rug. I used the entire dice in battery on 347 00:16:52,914 --> 00:16:56,274 Speaker 6: my one rug. I am in awe and disgusted. I 348 00:16:56,354 --> 00:16:58,874 Speaker 6: vacuum this rug at least twice a week. I got 349 00:16:58,874 --> 00:17:03,554 Speaker 6: two dogs, two cats. Thank you girl, girl, Thank you girl. 350 00:17:03,554 --> 00:17:05,313 Speaker 6: I don't know who you are, but girl. 351 00:17:05,114 --> 00:17:05,594 Speaker 5: Thank you. 352 00:17:05,914 --> 00:17:08,553 Speaker 2: Thank you girl. She's whole up her canister and it 353 00:17:08,714 --> 00:17:11,273 Speaker 2: is chocol block from one runk. Okay, but that's what 354 00:17:11,314 --> 00:17:13,634 Speaker 2: people are saying because it picks up more stuff out 355 00:17:13,634 --> 00:17:16,154 Speaker 2: of your rugs. You're supposed to vacuum slowly so the 356 00:17:16,234 --> 00:17:19,194 Speaker 2: vacuum has time to collect all the particles, and also 357 00:17:19,994 --> 00:17:22,714 Speaker 2: so I went down a full rabbit hole of vacuuming 358 00:17:22,794 --> 00:17:26,994 Speaker 2: last night. Did you know it's on the pull back 359 00:17:27,154 --> 00:17:29,354 Speaker 2: of the vacuum. It's not when you vacuum, when you 360 00:17:29,394 --> 00:17:33,154 Speaker 2: push forward that does nothing. It's the return towards you 361 00:17:33,194 --> 00:17:36,273 Speaker 2: that picks up all the stuff. So the slower you 362 00:17:36,274 --> 00:17:39,714 Speaker 2: can pull the vacuum towards you, the more dirt, dust, 363 00:17:39,754 --> 00:17:41,114 Speaker 2: and particles it will pick up. 364 00:17:41,234 --> 00:17:43,954 Speaker 3: Oh my, do you know what I'm not get? Is 365 00:17:43,994 --> 00:17:46,114 Speaker 3: that satisfying? You don't want to get a big bit 366 00:17:46,634 --> 00:17:49,793 Speaker 3: like the and it does the really satisfying. I'm a 367 00:17:49,794 --> 00:17:55,994 Speaker 3: big bit household. I am vacuuming heated rivalry last Yes, no, 368 00:17:56,794 --> 00:18:00,514 Speaker 3: with vacuuming, I'm only after the big bits. I can see. 369 00:18:00,714 --> 00:18:02,114 Speaker 3: The rest is none of my business. 370 00:18:02,314 --> 00:18:04,954 Speaker 4: This is not what Michoe Obama meant by keeping something 371 00:18:05,034 --> 00:18:05,674 Speaker 4: to yourself. 372 00:18:06,394 --> 00:18:08,074 Speaker 3: Yeah, Mon's she's just going to be in her house 373 00:18:08,114 --> 00:18:12,194 Speaker 3: when she's like eighty, just happily doing the slawest vacuum 374 00:18:12,234 --> 00:18:13,114 Speaker 3: you've ever seen. 375 00:18:13,354 --> 00:18:16,114 Speaker 2: I also found out there's a man whose entire job 376 00:18:16,194 --> 00:18:19,634 Speaker 2: for House and Garden is a professional vacuum tester. I 377 00:18:19,674 --> 00:18:22,434 Speaker 2: want that job. And did you know there's also a 378 00:18:22,594 --> 00:18:25,554 Speaker 2: dison vacuum that has an LED screen on it, and 379 00:18:25,634 --> 00:18:28,434 Speaker 2: it tells you how many millions of particles you've picked up? Like, 380 00:18:28,514 --> 00:18:30,674 Speaker 2: do we not have enough information in the world? Do 381 00:18:30,714 --> 00:18:33,194 Speaker 2: we actually need to know how many thousands of particles 382 00:18:33,194 --> 00:18:33,754 Speaker 2: you picked up? 383 00:18:34,634 --> 00:18:34,754 Speaker 6: Well? 384 00:18:34,794 --> 00:18:35,354 Speaker 2: It's gone mad. 385 00:18:35,794 --> 00:18:37,914 Speaker 3: Are you going to be slow vacuuming? Amelia? Now? 386 00:18:37,954 --> 00:18:40,194 Speaker 1: After this the question is am I going to be 387 00:18:40,274 --> 00:18:41,354 Speaker 1: vacuuming at all? 388 00:18:42,434 --> 00:18:44,914 Speaker 3: No? Me neither. I am going to be a big 389 00:18:44,954 --> 00:18:47,394 Speaker 3: bit only that is it? Not doing this? 390 00:18:47,874 --> 00:18:49,154 Speaker 2: You're the angry mum vacuum. 391 00:18:49,274 --> 00:18:53,514 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, really fast and angry. That's it bare minimum. 392 00:18:54,714 --> 00:18:57,834 Speaker 4: A video was posted on Instagram this week which got 393 00:18:57,994 --> 00:19:00,474 Speaker 4: three and a half million views in the first twenty 394 00:19:00,514 --> 00:19:03,434 Speaker 4: four hours after posting. It was from an Aussie mum 395 00:19:03,674 --> 00:19:06,194 Speaker 4: who was traveling with her two kids on their first 396 00:19:06,274 --> 00:19:10,434 Speaker 4: ever holidays together. It begins with a picture of her 397 00:19:10,514 --> 00:19:12,914 Speaker 4: four year old and I'd say maybe her eight month 398 00:19:12,954 --> 00:19:15,634 Speaker 4: old in estrolla. I'm guessing on those ages. The post 399 00:19:15,714 --> 00:19:19,394 Speaker 4: is by a woman called Ellie Moulton. The caption is 400 00:19:19,514 --> 00:19:22,513 Speaker 4: imagine going on your first family holiday only to be 401 00:19:22,554 --> 00:19:25,754 Speaker 4: greeted by this lovely lady because you brought your children 402 00:19:25,834 --> 00:19:29,954 Speaker 4: into the quantus club lounge. The second slide is of 403 00:19:30,034 --> 00:19:32,434 Speaker 4: a woman flipping the bird at the camera and said, 404 00:19:32,634 --> 00:19:33,874 Speaker 4: Quantous lounge. 405 00:19:33,914 --> 00:19:35,914 Speaker 2: Do you think she looked a bit like Julie Goodwin 406 00:19:36,114 --> 00:19:42,874 Speaker 2: the bird flipper? I was like, is that Julie? 407 00:19:43,674 --> 00:19:47,033 Speaker 3: Never? That woman is a delight and this woman questionable. 408 00:19:47,114 --> 00:19:48,954 Speaker 4: It's important to know that the woman who flipped the 409 00:19:48,954 --> 00:19:51,114 Speaker 4: bird had a laptop in front of her. I feel 410 00:19:51,114 --> 00:19:54,274 Speaker 4: like people on laptops and public places get very stressed out, 411 00:19:54,354 --> 00:19:57,914 Speaker 4: very easily. Ellie writes, this awful woman rudely told me 412 00:19:57,994 --> 00:19:59,994 Speaker 4: and my family that we were not welcome to sit 413 00:20:00,074 --> 00:20:02,114 Speaker 4: next to her when we arrived at the Quantus Club 414 00:20:02,154 --> 00:20:05,354 Speaker 4: lounge yesterday, despite there being absolutely no rules in the 415 00:20:05,394 --> 00:20:07,754 Speaker 4: lounge about where you can and can not sit as 416 00:20:07,754 --> 00:20:10,594 Speaker 4: a family. This next bit kills me. Guys, we hadn't 417 00:20:10,634 --> 00:20:13,954 Speaker 4: even sat down. Rocky was in her pram great name, 418 00:20:14,354 --> 00:20:17,154 Speaker 4: and Teddy was on his best behavior as per the 419 00:20:17,234 --> 00:20:18,434 Speaker 4: discussion we had. 420 00:20:18,274 --> 00:20:21,513 Speaker 1: Before entering the club. We've all had that pet talk 421 00:20:21,594 --> 00:20:23,434 Speaker 1: with your kid where you're like, no, you're gonna be 422 00:20:23,514 --> 00:20:25,514 Speaker 1: really really good in there. 423 00:20:25,754 --> 00:20:28,273 Speaker 4: Yeah, And you could just tell Teddy like listen to that, 424 00:20:28,354 --> 00:20:29,954 Speaker 4: and was totally internalizing it. 425 00:20:30,434 --> 00:20:30,874 Speaker 3: She goes on. 426 00:20:31,034 --> 00:20:33,194 Speaker 4: She so kindly flicked me the bird when I walked 427 00:20:33,234 --> 00:20:37,434 Speaker 4: past after relocating my family at her request. Ironically, this 428 00:20:37,474 --> 00:20:41,114 Speaker 4: woman was already aggressively scrolling reels when she gave us 429 00:20:41,114 --> 00:20:45,434 Speaker 4: her unsolicited opinions. So I trust the algorithm will reunite 430 00:20:45,514 --> 00:20:48,994 Speaker 4: us again. Oh, Ellie nicely played. 431 00:20:49,394 --> 00:20:50,074 Speaker 3: Yeah. 432 00:20:50,114 --> 00:20:52,234 Speaker 1: What was your reaction to this, Stacy? 433 00:20:52,634 --> 00:20:53,354 Speaker 6: Oh? 434 00:20:53,594 --> 00:20:57,154 Speaker 3: Look, the second I saw it, I was like, oh, 435 00:20:57,314 --> 00:21:00,434 Speaker 3: this is going to end badly, Like I feel like 436 00:21:00,474 --> 00:21:02,914 Speaker 3: we see these things all the time where you're like, 437 00:21:03,354 --> 00:21:05,634 Speaker 3: of course, if I was that mum, I would be 438 00:21:05,714 --> 00:21:08,593 Speaker 3: fuming at that woman, like she doesn't own the Quantus 439 00:21:08,594 --> 00:21:11,194 Speaker 3: Club lounge. Well, as far as we know, she doesn't 440 00:21:11,194 --> 00:21:13,914 Speaker 3: own the Quantus Club lounge. She can't police who sits 441 00:21:13,954 --> 00:21:16,994 Speaker 3: near her kids are allowed to be in there. It's fine, 442 00:21:17,794 --> 00:21:20,194 Speaker 3: of course you'd be fuming and frustrated and wanting to 443 00:21:20,234 --> 00:21:24,594 Speaker 3: do something about that. But we don't know this woman's circumstances. 444 00:21:24,834 --> 00:21:29,513 Speaker 3: And it just feels like these days, conflict can't happen 445 00:21:29,634 --> 00:21:32,354 Speaker 3: without a public shaming coming with it. And that's the 446 00:21:32,394 --> 00:21:33,194 Speaker 3: bit that worries me. 447 00:21:33,434 --> 00:21:36,194 Speaker 4: Don't you feel No, I really felt for this mum, 448 00:21:36,234 --> 00:21:39,994 Speaker 4: because I just know what it's like to be solo traveling. 449 00:21:39,994 --> 00:21:42,274 Speaker 4: And I've spoken on the show before about how I 450 00:21:42,314 --> 00:21:47,194 Speaker 4: feel that solo mothers traveling with kids get so much 451 00:21:47,234 --> 00:21:51,474 Speaker 4: more harshly jarged than men who are traveling with kids alone. 452 00:21:51,634 --> 00:21:56,434 Speaker 4: And everyone's looking at you, everyone's grading your parenting, and 453 00:21:56,474 --> 00:21:59,674 Speaker 4: then to have this woman be so actively hostile and 454 00:21:59,754 --> 00:22:02,034 Speaker 4: rude that would have absolutely sent me over the edge. 455 00:22:02,074 --> 00:22:03,274 Speaker 1: I think part of the issue is. 456 00:22:03,634 --> 00:22:07,914 Speaker 4: People in airport clubs seem to think that they are 457 00:22:07,954 --> 00:22:11,154 Speaker 4: somehow royalty for getting into the club, when an actual fact, 458 00:22:11,154 --> 00:22:13,194 Speaker 4: they've just been boring everyone around them talking about how 459 00:22:13,194 --> 00:22:15,474 Speaker 4: they've accrued enough frequent flyer points. Why is it always 460 00:22:15,514 --> 00:22:18,994 Speaker 4: airport clubs where we see this kind of terribly entitled behavior. 461 00:22:19,194 --> 00:22:21,594 Speaker 4: But Mon's, am I being unfair to this woman who, 462 00:22:21,754 --> 00:22:24,594 Speaker 4: for all we know, could have been aggressively scrolling reels 463 00:22:24,634 --> 00:22:26,674 Speaker 4: because you've just been fired that day and was having 464 00:22:26,674 --> 00:22:27,434 Speaker 4: a terrible day. 465 00:22:27,754 --> 00:22:31,114 Speaker 2: So I think the story for me here is not 466 00:22:31,394 --> 00:22:35,354 Speaker 2: just kids in the Quantus club discuss. The bigger question 467 00:22:35,874 --> 00:22:38,994 Speaker 2: is what you alluded to, Stacy, Like, what does the 468 00:22:39,034 --> 00:22:43,314 Speaker 2: internet do with conflict? Now? I'm not doubting that if 469 00:22:43,314 --> 00:22:45,553 Speaker 2: someone was rude to my kids and gave me the 470 00:22:45,594 --> 00:22:47,594 Speaker 2: finger like you better believe the rage and me would 471 00:22:47,634 --> 00:22:51,394 Speaker 2: be primal and you would feel hurt. You might want 472 00:22:51,394 --> 00:22:55,554 Speaker 2: to hurt. But is recording someone's shitty behavior and then 473 00:22:55,954 --> 00:22:59,154 Speaker 2: putting it out to the internet and crowd sourcing a 474 00:22:59,194 --> 00:23:03,314 Speaker 2: punishment or a response? Are we okay with that? Because 475 00:23:04,274 --> 00:23:07,033 Speaker 2: filming this and posting it like this is algorithm cat nit, 476 00:23:07,234 --> 00:23:11,273 Speaker 2: this is kid shaming in a premium airport is the 477 00:23:11,394 --> 00:23:15,594 Speaker 2: kind of clickbait content headline that is going to travel. 478 00:23:15,914 --> 00:23:20,114 Speaker 2: So I just think, what was the intention behind posting this. 479 00:23:20,274 --> 00:23:24,474 Speaker 2: It does feel a little public shaming, and how do 480 00:23:24,514 --> 00:23:28,234 Speaker 2: we feel about that? Because I do think let's pull 481 00:23:28,274 --> 00:23:30,474 Speaker 2: back and look at the comments on this. The very 482 00:23:30,514 --> 00:23:35,553 Speaker 2: top comment was may the algorithm work its magic and 483 00:23:35,594 --> 00:23:39,474 Speaker 2: may her boss or her HR department find this, and 484 00:23:39,514 --> 00:23:43,273 Speaker 2: that had thirteen thousand likes. And another comment that was 485 00:23:43,314 --> 00:23:47,114 Speaker 2: very popular was not me reverse image searching her face 486 00:23:47,194 --> 00:23:49,594 Speaker 2: to see if I can find her LinkedIn profile. 487 00:23:49,994 --> 00:23:52,914 Speaker 3: Yeah, people are really coming here for her, weren't they. 488 00:23:52,954 --> 00:23:55,274 Speaker 3: Like they were really like, well, we need justice for this. 489 00:23:55,274 --> 00:23:57,834 Speaker 3: This woman needs to pay for what she's done. It 490 00:23:57,954 --> 00:24:02,194 Speaker 3: kind of feels like the Coldplay concert scenario. Remember Christine Cabot, 491 00:24:02,194 --> 00:24:04,593 Speaker 3: and she then came out months later and did that 492 00:24:04,634 --> 00:24:08,194 Speaker 3: peace being like my partner and I was separated him 493 00:24:08,234 --> 00:24:08,954 Speaker 3: and his partner. 494 00:24:09,594 --> 00:24:11,634 Speaker 1: The reason why she's flipping the bird at a five 495 00:24:11,714 --> 00:24:15,994 Speaker 1: year old exact exactly exactly right, justifiable reason. 496 00:24:15,834 --> 00:24:18,194 Speaker 3: But I guess there was, and there was people including 497 00:24:18,234 --> 00:24:20,914 Speaker 3: Evie Farrell, who writes for Mma Mea in the comments saying, 498 00:24:20,954 --> 00:24:23,234 Speaker 3: this might be the worst day of this woman's life 499 00:24:23,234 --> 00:24:26,674 Speaker 3: and we don't know that. So going for blood, like 500 00:24:26,794 --> 00:24:30,474 Speaker 3: what does it achieve? It almost feels like with like justice, 501 00:24:30,554 --> 00:24:32,994 Speaker 3: It feels really good when you're seeking it, but then 502 00:24:33,074 --> 00:24:36,674 Speaker 3: sometimes when you get it, it can kind of come 503 00:24:36,714 --> 00:24:39,394 Speaker 3: with guilt. You know, if we played out this scenario, Okay, 504 00:24:39,434 --> 00:24:41,474 Speaker 3: say this woman comes out, now they find the woman. 505 00:24:41,514 --> 00:24:43,553 Speaker 3: At the time of recording, this woman hasn't spoken, she 506 00:24:43,594 --> 00:24:46,634 Speaker 3: hasn't been found, which is a good thing, I think. 507 00:24:47,074 --> 00:24:49,154 Speaker 3: But say this woman comes out and says, look, I 508 00:24:49,234 --> 00:24:51,394 Speaker 3: really apologize. I did the wrong thing. I was going 509 00:24:51,394 --> 00:24:54,313 Speaker 3: through X y Z. Then the woman who's posted it, 510 00:24:54,434 --> 00:24:56,474 Speaker 3: if that was me, I would almost feel guilty that 511 00:24:56,514 --> 00:24:58,514 Speaker 3: I'd done that, Like I would want to shrink back 512 00:24:58,514 --> 00:25:00,634 Speaker 3: and be like I regret doing it. I'm starting to 513 00:25:00,634 --> 00:25:01,034 Speaker 3: see that. 514 00:25:01,114 --> 00:25:04,194 Speaker 4: It reminds me of another story on a plane recently 515 00:25:04,514 --> 00:25:07,834 Speaker 4: where a younger woman was asked to move so that 516 00:25:07,954 --> 00:25:11,594 Speaker 4: a family could sit together, and I guess she didn't 517 00:25:11,634 --> 00:25:14,234 Speaker 4: want to move. She had the window seat, and she said, 518 00:25:14,274 --> 00:25:17,194 Speaker 4: I'm not going to move. People started filming her saying 519 00:25:17,234 --> 00:25:20,234 Speaker 4: I'm not going to move, and then she did subsequently 520 00:25:20,274 --> 00:25:22,634 Speaker 4: give an interview where she was pretty unrepentant and just 521 00:25:22,714 --> 00:25:24,954 Speaker 4: explained that no, I like the window seat, I paid 522 00:25:24,954 --> 00:25:27,513 Speaker 4: for the window seat. I don't want to move to 523 00:25:27,554 --> 00:25:32,234 Speaker 4: accommodate this family. And I can see how it's maybe 524 00:25:32,274 --> 00:25:36,594 Speaker 4: a bit unfair to put the spotlight on people like that. However, 525 00:25:37,114 --> 00:25:40,354 Speaker 4: we've all been in that situation where we've been made 526 00:25:40,354 --> 00:25:45,314 Speaker 4: to feel like criminals for bringing our children into public 527 00:25:45,434 --> 00:25:49,034 Speaker 4: and guess what, the Quantus Club is public. It does 528 00:25:49,154 --> 00:25:51,594 Speaker 4: bother me the sense that what do you want me 529 00:25:51,674 --> 00:25:54,593 Speaker 4: to do with the future taxpayers of Australia until they 530 00:25:54,634 --> 00:25:56,674 Speaker 4: turn eighteen? What would you like me to do with them? 531 00:25:56,714 --> 00:25:58,394 Speaker 4: Would you like me to lock them at home and 532 00:25:58,474 --> 00:25:59,674 Speaker 4: never go anywhere with them? 533 00:25:59,874 --> 00:26:01,314 Speaker 3: Because that's the message I'm getting. 534 00:26:01,354 --> 00:26:04,553 Speaker 2: Sometimes I fully agree with what you're saying, Amelia, but 535 00:26:05,194 --> 00:26:06,874 Speaker 2: if you look at it through a parenting leans and 536 00:26:06,874 --> 00:26:08,834 Speaker 2: we are parenting podcast today is kind of the job. 537 00:26:09,354 --> 00:26:11,714 Speaker 2: What are we teaching our kids when we film someone 538 00:26:11,754 --> 00:26:13,954 Speaker 2: without their consent and then post it to a public 539 00:26:13,994 --> 00:26:16,514 Speaker 2: forum saying, look at what this person did. Like, if 540 00:26:16,554 --> 00:26:20,714 Speaker 2: someone does something bad, are we okay that conflict should 541 00:26:20,794 --> 00:26:23,594 Speaker 2: end with us outing someone and going down to that level? 542 00:26:23,634 --> 00:26:26,754 Speaker 2: Should we not be teaching our kids that sometimes conflict 543 00:26:26,874 --> 00:26:30,354 Speaker 2: needs to be dealt with in the moment and not outsourced. 544 00:26:30,634 --> 00:26:32,754 Speaker 4: So would you have preferred her to kind of try 545 00:26:32,794 --> 00:26:35,034 Speaker 4: and engage that woman in more conversation? 546 00:26:35,594 --> 00:26:38,194 Speaker 2: No, And I probably wouldn't have because it does sound 547 00:26:38,234 --> 00:26:40,474 Speaker 2: to me like this everyone was kind of like upregulated 548 00:26:40,514 --> 00:26:43,394 Speaker 2: in this situation, and what this woman, Ellie has done 549 00:26:44,194 --> 00:26:47,954 Speaker 2: is evidently like walk away from it, back out of it. 550 00:26:48,434 --> 00:26:51,594 Speaker 2: Maybe this woman would not be reasonable in a conversation. 551 00:26:52,154 --> 00:26:54,793 Speaker 2: It didn't sound like a very reasonable situation to be in. 552 00:26:55,194 --> 00:26:58,114 Speaker 4: But you're right that everyone's got high quartersole levels in 553 00:26:58,154 --> 00:27:01,994 Speaker 4: that situation, because I know that when I am traveling 554 00:27:02,194 --> 00:27:04,834 Speaker 4: with my kids, particularly when they were younger at the 555 00:27:04,874 --> 00:27:08,514 Speaker 4: ages of Ellie's kids, the quarters levels through the roof, 556 00:27:08,674 --> 00:27:12,513 Speaker 4: you're conscious of everything. I think it's something primal kicks 557 00:27:12,554 --> 00:27:17,514 Speaker 4: in because you're scanning the landscape for hazards and dangers constantly. 558 00:27:17,714 --> 00:27:20,194 Speaker 4: You really feel that adrenaline pumping, don't you, And that 559 00:27:20,234 --> 00:27:22,034 Speaker 4: could explain why she reacted in this way. 560 00:27:22,194 --> 00:27:24,874 Speaker 2: Yeah, the double standards really interesting that you raised Amelia 561 00:27:24,994 --> 00:27:27,313 Speaker 2: because a friend of mine has got four children and 562 00:27:27,434 --> 00:27:29,914 Speaker 2: she used to have to fly into state with all 563 00:27:29,914 --> 00:27:34,954 Speaker 2: four by herself, and she said she got treated like 564 00:27:35,394 --> 00:27:39,274 Speaker 2: she was a tramp basically. On the other hand, her 565 00:27:39,354 --> 00:27:42,273 Speaker 2: husband once took them, so her husband had the four children, 566 00:27:42,714 --> 00:27:45,314 Speaker 2: and she tells this story about how the airport staff 567 00:27:45,754 --> 00:27:48,634 Speaker 2: absolutely bent over backwards. They brought one of those you 568 00:27:48,674 --> 00:27:54,794 Speaker 2: know those They brought him a bus to taxi him 569 00:27:54,834 --> 00:27:58,313 Speaker 2: and his children to the gate, like praise be. The 570 00:27:58,394 --> 00:27:59,874 Speaker 2: man is in the airport with the kids, So that 571 00:27:59,954 --> 00:28:02,994 Speaker 2: I think this is gendered. But I also want to ask, 572 00:28:03,594 --> 00:28:06,634 Speaker 2: can we talk about the Quantus tagging because people were 573 00:28:06,634 --> 00:28:10,034 Speaker 2: then tagged in Quantus demanding that this woman's lounge access 574 00:28:10,074 --> 00:28:13,914 Speaker 2: be revoked. And that is also fascinating because what people 575 00:28:13,954 --> 00:28:17,114 Speaker 2: are now saying is we want this corporation to step 576 00:28:17,154 --> 00:28:19,674 Speaker 2: in and kind of respond to this bad behavior, and 577 00:28:19,714 --> 00:28:22,634 Speaker 2: what do you stand for? So girls put your power 578 00:28:22,714 --> 00:28:25,394 Speaker 2: suits on. Say you're the brand manager for Quantus and 579 00:28:25,434 --> 00:28:28,194 Speaker 2: you're the crisis pr person and your phone's blowing up 580 00:28:28,234 --> 00:28:31,394 Speaker 2: because of this viral situation. What do you do. 581 00:28:31,874 --> 00:28:34,634 Speaker 4: I'm not the right person to ask, because unfortunately, I 582 00:28:34,714 --> 00:28:37,553 Speaker 4: had my own experience flowing Quantus where I had to 583 00:28:37,634 --> 00:28:41,474 Speaker 4: complain to the very upper echelons of Quantus because I 584 00:28:41,474 --> 00:28:44,154 Speaker 4: felt like they did not handle my family traveling. 585 00:28:43,754 --> 00:28:44,514 Speaker 3: With them very well. 586 00:28:44,634 --> 00:28:48,674 Speaker 4: And I did end up getting a satisfactory response from them. 587 00:28:48,714 --> 00:28:52,754 Speaker 4: But I just think that corporations are not always thinking 588 00:28:52,794 --> 00:28:54,914 Speaker 4: about how to make things easier for families. 589 00:28:55,314 --> 00:28:58,514 Speaker 3: No, But at the same time, if they weigh into this, 590 00:28:58,634 --> 00:29:00,554 Speaker 3: if they were to say, yes, this woman has been 591 00:29:00,594 --> 00:29:04,154 Speaker 3: removed from Quantus club, like where does that end, then 592 00:29:04,434 --> 00:29:07,034 Speaker 3: people can be complaining about children in there and having children, 593 00:29:07,674 --> 00:29:09,914 Speaker 3: you know, like it just they cannot weigh into this. 594 00:29:10,074 --> 00:29:13,074 Speaker 3: And that's the thing. It feels like putting this out there, 595 00:29:13,074 --> 00:29:15,994 Speaker 3: there's not really a winner between either party, and for 596 00:29:16,114 --> 00:29:18,354 Speaker 3: that company there's not either. So it just feels like 597 00:29:18,394 --> 00:29:21,594 Speaker 3: these conflicts need to be kept offline. Just have it 598 00:29:21,634 --> 00:29:23,194 Speaker 3: out with them in person in the middle of the 599 00:29:23,274 --> 00:29:23,994 Speaker 3: Quantus class. 600 00:29:23,994 --> 00:29:26,554 Speaker 4: I think that's where we've gotten to a little Yeah, yeah, 601 00:29:26,714 --> 00:29:28,154 Speaker 4: I feel for both, I feel for all. 602 00:29:28,274 --> 00:29:29,434 Speaker 3: Yeah, tough one. 603 00:29:29,714 --> 00:29:31,874 Speaker 2: Okay. You know what a friend tells you something and 604 00:29:31,874 --> 00:29:33,474 Speaker 2: you're like, wait, wait, wait, how did I not know 605 00:29:33,514 --> 00:29:36,874 Speaker 2: about this? It's that part of the show Recommendations, where 606 00:29:36,874 --> 00:29:39,874 Speaker 2: we tell you the things that we're loving. Seek Stacy, 607 00:29:39,994 --> 00:29:40,874 Speaker 2: what have you got. 608 00:29:40,754 --> 00:29:43,114 Speaker 3: My one this week? It was a little bit spendy, 609 00:29:43,274 --> 00:29:45,474 Speaker 3: but having used it now for like a month, I 610 00:29:45,514 --> 00:29:48,394 Speaker 3: really think it was worth the money. I bought my 611 00:29:48,514 --> 00:29:51,914 Speaker 3: daughter this magnetic wall decal so it looks like wallpaper, 612 00:29:51,954 --> 00:29:53,914 Speaker 3: but just a cute little arch so you can buy 613 00:29:53,914 --> 00:29:56,954 Speaker 3: them in all different colors, goes on your wall, so 614 00:29:57,034 --> 00:30:00,634 Speaker 3: they're like rent a friendly magnetic, meaning that they can 615 00:30:00,634 --> 00:30:03,874 Speaker 3: put any of the fridge magnets, any other like magnetic tiles, 616 00:30:03,914 --> 00:30:06,794 Speaker 3: anything magnetic that they have on this wall decal and 617 00:30:06,834 --> 00:30:09,674 Speaker 3: play with it. And my daughter plays with her for ages. 618 00:30:10,114 --> 00:30:12,674 Speaker 3: I don't know whether it's because it's like vertical, so 619 00:30:12,714 --> 00:30:14,954 Speaker 3: it's just in front of her. She'll just sit there 620 00:30:14,954 --> 00:30:18,034 Speaker 3: and rearrange all the magnets, put them in order, do colors. 621 00:30:18,354 --> 00:30:21,474 Speaker 3: They sell like little sorting jars so you can move 622 00:30:21,514 --> 00:30:22,274 Speaker 3: all your magnets. 623 00:30:22,314 --> 00:30:26,594 Speaker 4: I see actually brilliant because fridges increasingly a scourge of 624 00:30:26,634 --> 00:30:28,394 Speaker 4: modern life is that a lot of them are not 625 00:30:28,754 --> 00:30:30,274 Speaker 4: magnetic on the front. 626 00:30:30,314 --> 00:30:33,034 Speaker 3: They're not or you just don't want that there, Like 627 00:30:33,074 --> 00:30:34,754 Speaker 3: if you're really you know, you don't want all of that. 628 00:30:35,194 --> 00:30:37,194 Speaker 1: It's got nothing on her fridge. I can just tell. 629 00:30:37,594 --> 00:30:39,954 Speaker 3: Or she's got everything on her fridge. Let's fair. I 630 00:30:39,954 --> 00:30:41,874 Speaker 3: feel like you have everything? Is it everything? 631 00:30:41,914 --> 00:30:42,994 Speaker 1: What's your fridge strategy? 632 00:30:43,114 --> 00:30:45,234 Speaker 3: Yeah? What have you got on the front? You can't 633 00:30:45,274 --> 00:30:49,234 Speaker 3: judge me? Promise, no, promise, we judge you about the vacuuming. 634 00:30:49,274 --> 00:30:50,074 Speaker 3: It's too late for that. 635 00:30:52,074 --> 00:30:55,474 Speaker 2: I have children that really need visual reminders of what's 636 00:30:55,514 --> 00:30:59,554 Speaker 2: happening in the day. So I made a visual schedule 637 00:30:59,674 --> 00:31:01,434 Speaker 2: and it sits on the fridge and it's like today 638 00:31:01,714 --> 00:31:07,354 Speaker 2: is Monday. Ted is doing school and basketball, Margarete is 639 00:31:07,394 --> 00:31:08,274 Speaker 2: doing this and that. 640 00:31:08,594 --> 00:31:09,914 Speaker 1: Oh I love that. That's great. 641 00:31:09,954 --> 00:31:13,674 Speaker 3: Why has that not been Yeah, your recommendation, that sounds great. 642 00:31:13,994 --> 00:31:15,834 Speaker 2: I don't think I'm better than anyone, but it sounds 643 00:31:15,834 --> 00:31:18,114 Speaker 2: like I'm like, ohlanky this to my kids. No, but 644 00:31:18,154 --> 00:31:20,234 Speaker 2: I only do it because, like they were very dysregulated 645 00:31:20,274 --> 00:31:21,714 Speaker 2: in the mornings, and the morning's really hard and it 646 00:31:21,754 --> 00:31:23,354 Speaker 2: was like, let's just do something where you can see 647 00:31:23,354 --> 00:31:24,114 Speaker 2: what's happening. 648 00:31:23,834 --> 00:31:25,594 Speaker 3: In the day. Yeah, that's genius. 649 00:31:25,794 --> 00:31:28,234 Speaker 4: So this thing is like, is she like sitting on 650 00:31:28,274 --> 00:31:30,834 Speaker 4: the floor and then it's like, give me roughly how 651 00:31:30,874 --> 00:31:31,434 Speaker 4: big it is. 652 00:31:31,474 --> 00:31:34,754 Speaker 3: Like it'd be the height of addresser draw, like it 653 00:31:34,794 --> 00:31:37,234 Speaker 3: had come halfway up the wall. They're like a little 654 00:31:37,394 --> 00:31:39,874 Speaker 3: dome shape on the top, so they look very authentily 655 00:31:39,994 --> 00:31:44,234 Speaker 3: please with magnets. You can buy different sets of magnets 656 00:31:44,354 --> 00:31:46,394 Speaker 3: with it, okay, So there's like you can do princesses, 657 00:31:46,474 --> 00:31:48,594 Speaker 3: or you could do animals, or you could do letters 658 00:31:48,714 --> 00:31:50,674 Speaker 3: or whatever you want to use on it. And then 659 00:31:50,714 --> 00:31:53,154 Speaker 3: it can come off the wall without damaging the paint, 660 00:31:53,194 --> 00:31:55,354 Speaker 3: so you could just remove it if you moved at 661 00:31:55,354 --> 00:31:58,594 Speaker 3: any point. They're ninety bucks. I got it for seventy 662 00:31:58,674 --> 00:32:01,114 Speaker 3: nine dollars. I just checked and there was a sale 663 00:32:01,114 --> 00:32:03,274 Speaker 3: on this week, so hopefully you can get it for 664 00:32:03,274 --> 00:32:05,474 Speaker 3: that as well. I just love it. It was just another 665 00:32:05,714 --> 00:32:07,794 Speaker 3: thing that she could be playing with that wasn't like 666 00:32:08,714 --> 00:32:11,234 Speaker 3: down on the floor and just easy to like pack 667 00:32:11,274 --> 00:32:13,954 Speaker 3: it up. Yeah, so they're handy. 668 00:32:14,074 --> 00:32:15,754 Speaker 4: I can see how it would be really soothing and 669 00:32:15,794 --> 00:32:17,634 Speaker 4: calming too, like not overstimulating. 670 00:32:17,674 --> 00:32:20,554 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so I love it. She loves it. 671 00:32:20,554 --> 00:32:24,314 Speaker 3: It's called Smarty Pals. So if you look up Smarty Pals, 672 00:32:24,354 --> 00:32:27,034 Speaker 3: magnetic all decals their starter. I also like that it's 673 00:32:27,074 --> 00:32:29,714 Speaker 3: rental friendly. Yeah, like that's so hard to not just 674 00:32:30,074 --> 00:32:32,914 Speaker 3: like never ending crap in a small space. 675 00:32:33,194 --> 00:32:37,634 Speaker 4: I've got another rent of friendly recommendation. Backyard tennis. So 676 00:32:38,234 --> 00:32:42,234 Speaker 4: remember when we were growing up, everyone had like that 677 00:32:42,474 --> 00:32:44,874 Speaker 4: stick that you stick in the ground with the tennis 678 00:32:44,914 --> 00:32:47,114 Speaker 4: ball on the street and then you bat it around 679 00:32:47,154 --> 00:32:47,914 Speaker 4: with the mini bat. 680 00:32:48,114 --> 00:32:51,154 Speaker 3: I actually my brother had to get rushed to the 681 00:32:51,194 --> 00:32:54,074 Speaker 3: hospital after we used one of those. In a moment 682 00:32:54,114 --> 00:32:57,794 Speaker 3: of frustration, I pulled the pole out of the grass 683 00:32:58,594 --> 00:33:02,274 Speaker 3: and the metal bits staffed him in the head. So 684 00:33:02,394 --> 00:33:05,634 Speaker 3: I'm so sorry to my brother for the stitches. You 685 00:33:05,674 --> 00:33:08,594 Speaker 3: should have stuck with golf, Yeah, I should have, famously. 686 00:33:08,634 --> 00:33:11,074 Speaker 3: I'm very good at golf, guys. Yeah, it's great when 687 00:33:11,114 --> 00:33:11,994 Speaker 3: it remains in the ground. 688 00:33:12,034 --> 00:33:15,114 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Well, you know, use some anger management techniques. 689 00:33:16,194 --> 00:33:19,074 Speaker 4: So Kmart has them for twelve dollars, which kind of 690 00:33:19,074 --> 00:33:21,674 Speaker 4: in remind because I remember them from childhood, and you 691 00:33:21,714 --> 00:33:24,954 Speaker 4: know how in childhood everything just seems extremely expensive. 692 00:33:25,114 --> 00:33:27,554 Speaker 1: Yes, so I imagine these kids to be. 693 00:33:27,554 --> 00:33:29,994 Speaker 4: Like at least one hundred dollars because I was just like, 694 00:33:30,114 --> 00:33:32,274 Speaker 4: I could never possibly afford one of these. 695 00:33:32,354 --> 00:33:35,834 Speaker 1: No, they're twelve dollars. Yeah, actually stick with a string 696 00:33:35,874 --> 00:33:36,154 Speaker 1: on it. 697 00:33:36,314 --> 00:33:38,194 Speaker 4: So I don't know why it blew my mind so much, 698 00:33:38,234 --> 00:33:41,354 Speaker 4: but we put it up in our apartment blocks garden. 699 00:33:41,634 --> 00:33:44,914 Speaker 4: I'm sure it has enraged my neighbors. But look, it's 700 00:33:44,954 --> 00:33:47,834 Speaker 4: improving the kid's hand eye coordination and we have been 701 00:33:47,874 --> 00:33:51,554 Speaker 4: pretending to have like an Australian Open family tournament and 702 00:33:51,714 --> 00:33:52,594 Speaker 4: it's so fun. 703 00:33:52,834 --> 00:33:53,994 Speaker 1: I am obsessed with it. 704 00:33:54,194 --> 00:33:56,394 Speaker 4: As mentioned, I can't take up tennis at this point, 705 00:33:56,394 --> 00:33:58,034 Speaker 4: but I can do backyard tennis. 706 00:33:58,194 --> 00:33:59,794 Speaker 3: I love it and it. 707 00:33:59,754 --> 00:34:01,834 Speaker 1: Just makes me feel like a little eighties baby again. 708 00:34:01,954 --> 00:34:02,874 Speaker 3: Yeah, love it. 709 00:34:02,994 --> 00:34:05,114 Speaker 2: While we're talking about Australian Open, you know last week 710 00:34:05,154 --> 00:34:09,314 Speaker 2: are recommendable, that's the documentary. We now play ball kids 711 00:34:09,314 --> 00:34:11,514 Speaker 2: in our house and what you do. It's the easiest 712 00:34:11,514 --> 00:34:13,393 Speaker 2: game ever and it's so fun. You have to have 713 00:34:13,393 --> 00:34:15,194 Speaker 2: ball kids on the TV. That's part of it. But 714 00:34:15,194 --> 00:34:17,314 Speaker 2: then you just stand. If you've got a passage, like 715 00:34:17,314 --> 00:34:19,834 Speaker 2: a long passage, you stand at one and your kid 716 00:34:19,874 --> 00:34:21,754 Speaker 2: stands at the other and you just practice rolling the 717 00:34:21,794 --> 00:34:23,514 Speaker 2: ball like they do on the ball kids, and you 718 00:34:23,514 --> 00:34:24,114 Speaker 2: have to do all. 719 00:34:23,994 --> 00:34:26,314 Speaker 3: The actions like they do in Australia. It's so good. 720 00:34:26,634 --> 00:34:29,114 Speaker 2: We are playing at nonstar Brilliant. It's like the cheapest 721 00:34:29,114 --> 00:34:32,873 Speaker 2: funnest game ever. I've got a midweek dinner that does 722 00:34:32,914 --> 00:34:35,834 Speaker 2: not require a single brain cell and it takes about 723 00:34:35,834 --> 00:34:38,474 Speaker 2: eight minutes to make me. Please, I know, it's a dream. 724 00:34:38,834 --> 00:34:43,314 Speaker 2: It's called Marion's Kitchen. Tie green chicken curry comes in 725 00:34:43,314 --> 00:34:45,074 Speaker 2: a box on the supermarket shelf in the sort of 726 00:34:45,154 --> 00:34:48,873 Speaker 2: spice and sauces aisle. This thing is written like a 727 00:34:49,034 --> 00:34:51,354 Speaker 2: five year old could follow the instructions, which is great 728 00:34:51,354 --> 00:34:53,834 Speaker 2: because that's about my cooking ability. But we have it 729 00:34:53,954 --> 00:34:56,194 Speaker 2: every single week. It's a banger. She's got heaps of 730 00:34:56,194 --> 00:34:57,994 Speaker 2: different ones. She's got like a sancho bao and this 731 00:34:57,994 --> 00:35:00,194 Speaker 2: and that the other, but we just go the tie 732 00:35:00,274 --> 00:35:01,274 Speaker 2: green chicken curry. 733 00:35:01,714 --> 00:35:04,314 Speaker 1: It just si follow questions. 734 00:35:04,394 --> 00:35:06,594 Speaker 4: Is it spicy because you know kids can be sensitive 735 00:35:06,634 --> 00:35:06,834 Speaker 4: to that. 736 00:35:07,194 --> 00:35:09,154 Speaker 2: You can control the level of spice and she tells 737 00:35:09,154 --> 00:35:11,274 Speaker 2: you how on the packet like she's talking to a 738 00:35:11,314 --> 00:35:11,754 Speaker 2: five year old. 739 00:35:11,914 --> 00:35:14,154 Speaker 3: And is it like the bits are like numbered or whatever. 740 00:35:14,394 --> 00:35:17,873 Speaker 2: Yes, oh my god, yes, step one do this? 741 00:35:18,314 --> 00:35:20,634 Speaker 4: And second of all, do you make rice with it? 742 00:35:21,114 --> 00:35:23,354 Speaker 4: Do you use a rice cooker or used stovetop? No? 743 00:35:23,514 --> 00:35:24,074 Speaker 2: Rice cocker? 744 00:35:24,234 --> 00:35:26,634 Speaker 1: Okay, yes, stovetop rice is pretty advanced. 745 00:35:26,674 --> 00:35:28,554 Speaker 3: I was going to say, do you use the microwave 746 00:35:28,594 --> 00:35:30,914 Speaker 3: for book cups? Yes? 747 00:35:31,154 --> 00:35:36,194 Speaker 2: Them too, the pouches great good? Hey before we go, 748 00:35:36,354 --> 00:35:39,433 Speaker 2: thank you for your review. So do you make us? Lol? 749 00:35:39,674 --> 00:35:43,154 Speaker 2: We got an A plus spice from someone called Maths Maths. 750 00:35:43,514 --> 00:35:45,873 Speaker 4: To be honest, I've never gotten anything less than that 751 00:35:45,914 --> 00:35:48,074 Speaker 4: in my life, So I'm relieved that Mars. 752 00:35:47,874 --> 00:35:48,913 Speaker 1: Has kept the record going. 753 00:35:49,554 --> 00:35:51,834 Speaker 2: And we do love the gentle parenting ones. This one 754 00:35:51,834 --> 00:35:55,074 Speaker 2: from H Crile. Can I tell you something I noticed. 755 00:35:55,714 --> 00:35:58,634 Speaker 2: I noticed that even though you did not have the 756 00:35:58,674 --> 00:36:02,314 Speaker 2: same opinion, you didn't get cranky. You took deep breaths 757 00:36:02,394 --> 00:36:03,794 Speaker 2: and he spoke kindly. 758 00:36:03,634 --> 00:36:04,194 Speaker 3: To each other. 759 00:36:04,794 --> 00:36:07,674 Speaker 2: You used big girl listening. You should be proud, H. 760 00:36:07,794 --> 00:36:09,594 Speaker 1: Cryal, you should be proud of yourself. 761 00:36:09,714 --> 00:36:11,873 Speaker 4: That's so well done. H Crile is a great parent. 762 00:36:11,874 --> 00:36:13,114 Speaker 4: I can tell who plus to them. 763 00:36:13,434 --> 00:36:15,594 Speaker 2: And just for balance, I'm going to read out this 764 00:36:15,674 --> 00:36:19,393 Speaker 2: one too from KP twenty eighteen, Parenting Out Loud has 765 00:36:19,474 --> 00:36:23,154 Speaker 2: really turned from the mum's group without judgment to condoning 766 00:36:23,594 --> 00:36:28,114 Speaker 2: lazy and poor parenting. That's such an interesting comment. But look, 767 00:36:28,154 --> 00:36:30,433 Speaker 2: I just want to say KP like we're sorry that 768 00:36:30,514 --> 00:36:32,554 Speaker 2: this it wasn't for you, and thanks for giving it 769 00:36:32,594 --> 00:36:32,714 Speaker 2: a go. 770 00:36:33,274 --> 00:36:35,994 Speaker 3: And I am a book same. I think that's directed 771 00:36:36,034 --> 00:36:36,274 Speaker 3: at me. 772 00:36:36,594 --> 00:36:38,714 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, maybe it was me when I 773 00:36:38,754 --> 00:36:41,194 Speaker 2: didn't control my kids on the wave lounge remember that story. 774 00:36:41,234 --> 00:36:43,674 Speaker 3: People loved the part. Yeah, no, you did the right 775 00:36:43,674 --> 00:36:44,114 Speaker 3: thing there. 776 00:36:44,314 --> 00:36:46,074 Speaker 2: Anyway, Thanks for giving it a go o KP. And 777 00:36:46,074 --> 00:36:47,873 Speaker 2: we hope you come back for more. All Right, that's 778 00:36:47,954 --> 00:36:52,154 Speaker 2: it for today. We would love you to follow this show. 779 00:36:52,194 --> 00:36:53,914 Speaker 2: It's the best way to show you support. It doesn't 780 00:36:53,914 --> 00:36:55,594 Speaker 2: cost anything. 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