1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:16,514 Speaker 1: You're listening to a mom and mea podcast. Whoever said 2 00:00:16,553 --> 00:00:18,393 Speaker 1: orange is a new pink? But seriously to. 3 00:00:18,434 --> 00:00:21,314 Speaker 2: Syrup Laurels for spraying groundbreaking. 4 00:00:21,553 --> 00:00:23,354 Speaker 3: Oh my god, you have to do it. 5 00:00:23,394 --> 00:00:27,354 Speaker 1: You live for fashion. Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, 6 00:00:27,394 --> 00:00:30,874 Speaker 1: the podcast that solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. 7 00:00:31,034 --> 00:00:33,514 Speaker 1: I'm Tamara Holland, and each week we chat about all 8 00:00:33,513 --> 00:00:35,593 Speaker 1: things style to help us get more out of the 9 00:00:35,594 --> 00:00:38,434 Speaker 1: things we already own and decide what is and isn't 10 00:00:38,434 --> 00:00:42,233 Speaker 1: worth adding to our wardrobe. Today, I'm joined by Hailey Cooper. 11 00:00:42,394 --> 00:00:45,074 Speaker 1: She is a personal stylist with over sixteen years of 12 00:00:45,114 --> 00:00:49,673 Speaker 1: experience in the industry in fashion, marketing and styling, and 13 00:00:49,793 --> 00:00:52,713 Speaker 1: she is going to bring some of her hardcore fashion 14 00:00:52,873 --> 00:00:55,914 Speaker 1: troops to help us get dressed, to help us address 15 00:00:55,914 --> 00:00:58,633 Speaker 1: the gaps in our wardrobes, but more importantly, know what 16 00:00:59,234 --> 00:01:02,713 Speaker 1: isn't worth buying and what she wouldn't recommend As a stylist. 17 00:01:02,754 --> 00:01:05,554 Speaker 1: She's got some really amazing tips to share and I'm 18 00:01:05,594 --> 00:01:08,354 Speaker 1: so excited to get into it. Let's welcome Hailey to 19 00:01:08,394 --> 00:01:11,754 Speaker 1: the studio. Now, before we get into your style advice, 20 00:01:11,874 --> 00:01:13,994 Speaker 1: can you describe your style in three words? 21 00:01:14,274 --> 00:01:15,874 Speaker 2: Okay? So definitely simple. 22 00:01:16,234 --> 00:01:18,753 Speaker 4: I am a no fuss don't want to be fussy 23 00:01:18,794 --> 00:01:24,673 Speaker 4: with anything. Everything needs to move with me throughout the day. Jeans, tops, easy, shoes, okay, 24 00:01:24,754 --> 00:01:27,514 Speaker 4: very easy. I want everything to feel easy as I'm 25 00:01:27,554 --> 00:01:28,874 Speaker 4: getting dressed every morning. 26 00:01:29,514 --> 00:01:30,114 Speaker 2: Feminine. 27 00:01:30,194 --> 00:01:32,514 Speaker 4: Everything that I wear at the moment tends to have 28 00:01:32,594 --> 00:01:34,994 Speaker 4: a really feminine kind of touch to It's a little 29 00:01:35,034 --> 00:01:37,354 Speaker 4: bit more flowiness, maybe a little bit more softer colors. 30 00:01:37,954 --> 00:01:39,594 Speaker 2: I'll definitely still do all black. 31 00:01:39,394 --> 00:01:42,674 Speaker 1: Though, but then with texture, Okay, it's a bit bit 32 00:01:42,714 --> 00:01:45,234 Speaker 1: of ribbing or a bit bit of lace or a 33 00:01:45,314 --> 00:01:45,834 Speaker 1: bit of leather. 34 00:01:45,914 --> 00:01:47,114 Speaker 2: Sometimes love that. 35 00:01:47,434 --> 00:01:48,674 Speaker 1: And what's your third word? 36 00:01:48,834 --> 00:01:52,154 Speaker 4: And my third would be feelings focused. So everything that 37 00:01:52,314 --> 00:01:55,074 Speaker 4: I choose to wear is always heavily drawn by how 38 00:01:55,114 --> 00:01:56,714 Speaker 4: I want to feel in the actual situation. 39 00:01:57,154 --> 00:01:58,474 Speaker 2: So what my day looks like, what. 40 00:01:58,474 --> 00:02:00,114 Speaker 4: I want to feel like when I'm with my kids, 41 00:02:00,154 --> 00:02:02,714 Speaker 4: maybe that's more kind of fun or playful or a 42 00:02:02,714 --> 00:02:05,794 Speaker 4: bit more slightly more cool. And then maybe when I'm 43 00:02:05,834 --> 00:02:07,834 Speaker 4: with my friends or my partner, maybe it's a little 44 00:02:07,834 --> 00:02:09,994 Speaker 4: bit more Maybe it's a little bit more sexy. 45 00:02:09,754 --> 00:02:11,513 Speaker 2: Feminine, a bit more fun and vibrant. 46 00:02:11,754 --> 00:02:15,834 Speaker 1: Feelings focused. I love that. Dressing by mood exactly. I 47 00:02:15,874 --> 00:02:18,194 Speaker 1: love it. Let's give everyone a bit of a primer 48 00:02:18,234 --> 00:02:20,674 Speaker 1: on all things Haley Cooper. You have been in the 49 00:02:20,714 --> 00:02:24,034 Speaker 1: industry for over sixteen years, but tell us how you 50 00:02:24,074 --> 00:02:24,794 Speaker 1: got your start. 51 00:02:25,034 --> 00:02:29,114 Speaker 4: So I started back in twenty ten, and I had 52 00:02:29,114 --> 00:02:32,114 Speaker 4: studied at FBI Fashion College, a fashion business college here 53 00:02:32,114 --> 00:02:35,554 Speaker 4: in Sydney two years prior to that, and I did 54 00:02:35,554 --> 00:02:37,874 Speaker 4: a whole heap of interning, a lot of assisting work 55 00:02:38,114 --> 00:02:41,634 Speaker 4: in magazines and editorial and a lot of TV work 56 00:02:41,674 --> 00:02:44,394 Speaker 4: as well. At that time, personal styling was not what 57 00:02:44,434 --> 00:02:46,514 Speaker 4: it is now. There were not a lot of personal 58 00:02:46,514 --> 00:02:47,954 Speaker 4: stylists around that point. 59 00:02:47,994 --> 00:02:50,073 Speaker 1: It was like the pre social media. You're all right, 60 00:02:50,114 --> 00:02:52,034 Speaker 1: so you didn't have as many avenues to put yourself 61 00:02:52,074 --> 00:02:52,834 Speaker 1: out exactly. 62 00:02:52,914 --> 00:02:55,233 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was kind of like just Google if 63 00:02:55,274 --> 00:02:57,314 Speaker 4: that maybe it was like if you had a website, great, 64 00:02:57,354 --> 00:03:01,314 Speaker 4: but yeah, it was such a different time, and so yeah, 65 00:03:01,354 --> 00:03:03,994 Speaker 4: I started doing a lot of the more fashion focused work, 66 00:03:03,994 --> 00:03:06,354 Speaker 4: but I always loved doing the personal styling, which I 67 00:03:06,354 --> 00:03:09,034 Speaker 4: started kind of on the side in a much more 68 00:03:09,074 --> 00:03:13,394 Speaker 4: smaller capacity. That's where I really loved doing all the things. 69 00:03:13,954 --> 00:03:16,634 Speaker 4: Helping people was the main thing. Less about the fashion, 70 00:03:16,674 --> 00:03:18,154 Speaker 4: less about the clothes. It was more like, I want 71 00:03:18,194 --> 00:03:19,554 Speaker 4: to help you and I want to guide you through 72 00:03:19,594 --> 00:03:20,794 Speaker 4: and get you to feel really good. 73 00:03:21,194 --> 00:03:24,314 Speaker 2: So that's what I wanted from my career. I did 74 00:03:24,354 --> 00:03:24,714 Speaker 2: a lot of. 75 00:03:24,634 --> 00:03:27,514 Speaker 4: Work with shopping centers, workshops and fashion parades. 76 00:03:27,514 --> 00:03:28,633 Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember when. 77 00:03:28,514 --> 00:03:31,954 Speaker 1: They were Oh yeah, I remember some time that was 78 00:03:32,674 --> 00:03:34,154 Speaker 1: the shopping center fashion parade. 79 00:03:34,354 --> 00:03:35,354 Speaker 2: Say that was great. 80 00:03:35,394 --> 00:03:35,874 Speaker 1: I loved it. 81 00:03:35,954 --> 00:03:39,274 Speaker 4: I did heaps with Westfield and Stockland and all over Australia. 82 00:03:39,314 --> 00:03:42,594 Speaker 4: Really it was a really really fun time and so energetic. 83 00:03:42,994 --> 00:03:45,114 Speaker 4: And what I loved most about that was being able 84 00:03:45,154 --> 00:03:48,114 Speaker 4: to communicate on a wider scale because social media wasn't 85 00:03:48,114 --> 00:03:50,954 Speaker 4: really a thing back then, to help people see that 86 00:03:50,994 --> 00:03:53,314 Speaker 4: fashion is doable and it's not a scary thing and 87 00:03:53,354 --> 00:03:55,034 Speaker 4: it's not intimidating, and you don't have to be a 88 00:03:55,074 --> 00:03:58,074 Speaker 4: fashion person and it can be fun and enjoyable and 89 00:03:58,154 --> 00:04:00,114 Speaker 4: so yeah, I did a lot of that and then 90 00:04:00,194 --> 00:04:04,074 Speaker 4: always did personal styling always. Twenty thirteen was when it 91 00:04:04,074 --> 00:04:06,874 Speaker 4: became my full time solely this is what I'm focusing 92 00:04:06,914 --> 00:04:09,154 Speaker 4: on kind of thing. Still did the workshops and parades 93 00:04:09,154 --> 00:04:11,474 Speaker 4: at that time too, but as they started to die off, 94 00:04:11,514 --> 00:04:14,434 Speaker 4: the personal styling increased, And that's pretty much what I 95 00:04:14,474 --> 00:04:17,433 Speaker 4: do all the time now. Amazing, you take this capsule 96 00:04:17,514 --> 00:04:20,994 Speaker 4: wardrobe approach when you're building clients' wardrobes. 97 00:04:20,553 --> 00:04:22,274 Speaker 1: Tak me through how you do that? Where do we 98 00:04:22,274 --> 00:04:23,113 Speaker 1: even start with that? 99 00:04:23,313 --> 00:04:26,113 Speaker 4: So it always naturally start with the client, but all 100 00:04:26,154 --> 00:04:27,274 Speaker 4: the details about her? 101 00:04:27,393 --> 00:04:29,474 Speaker 2: So who is she, does she work, does she have kids? 102 00:04:29,513 --> 00:04:30,073 Speaker 2: What does she like? 103 00:04:30,113 --> 00:04:33,033 Speaker 4: What are her best moments of her life? And what 104 00:04:33,193 --> 00:04:35,034 Speaker 4: was it about those moments that felt really good? 105 00:04:35,393 --> 00:04:36,154 Speaker 2: What was she wearing? 106 00:04:36,393 --> 00:04:38,914 Speaker 4: All of those little specific details, and can we take 107 00:04:38,953 --> 00:04:41,234 Speaker 4: parts of that and then put that into her wardrobe. 108 00:04:41,274 --> 00:04:42,314 Speaker 2: Now, it doesn't have to be a. 109 00:04:42,274 --> 00:04:44,234 Speaker 4: Replica of the top or the dress that she liked, 110 00:04:44,594 --> 00:04:47,593 Speaker 4: but taking those feelings and those parts of her and 111 00:04:47,633 --> 00:04:50,313 Speaker 4: then bringing them into her style now is what I 112 00:04:50,354 --> 00:04:51,313 Speaker 4: really like to focus on. 113 00:04:51,714 --> 00:04:54,674 Speaker 1: So you're really guided by how that person feels, which 114 00:04:54,674 --> 00:04:57,474 Speaker 1: is also you like to dress intuitively to how you feel. 115 00:04:57,594 --> 00:04:59,274 Speaker 2: Okay, it's a really good way to describe it. 116 00:04:59,393 --> 00:05:01,873 Speaker 4: Yeah, So we always start with that, and that gives 117 00:05:01,914 --> 00:05:04,073 Speaker 4: us a really clear base of what we're going to 118 00:05:04,073 --> 00:05:04,553 Speaker 4: do together. 119 00:05:04,794 --> 00:05:07,513 Speaker 2: So what are our styling goals? What is your droning 120 00:05:07,594 --> 00:05:08,073 Speaker 2: to look like? 121 00:05:08,474 --> 00:05:10,193 Speaker 4: How are we going to get you feeling how you 122 00:05:10,234 --> 00:05:11,794 Speaker 4: want to be feeling in your outfits. 123 00:05:12,234 --> 00:05:13,834 Speaker 2: So that's part one. 124 00:05:13,953 --> 00:05:16,993 Speaker 4: Then we move on into body shapes, proportions, color tones, 125 00:05:16,993 --> 00:05:19,593 Speaker 4: all of those kind of more things that you would 126 00:05:19,633 --> 00:05:20,914 Speaker 4: always expect to cover in. 127 00:05:20,873 --> 00:05:23,034 Speaker 2: A style more chechnical technical. 128 00:05:23,193 --> 00:05:26,154 Speaker 4: Yes, And so when we do that, it is heavily 129 00:05:26,193 --> 00:05:28,914 Speaker 4: about Yes, these are the kind of the bones of 130 00:05:28,914 --> 00:05:31,313 Speaker 4: what we're looking at. This is your body shape, this 131 00:05:31,354 --> 00:05:34,154 Speaker 4: is your color tone. But we go heavily into her 132 00:05:34,193 --> 00:05:37,274 Speaker 4: individual proportions. So it's where things should be sitting on 133 00:05:37,313 --> 00:05:39,833 Speaker 4: a shoulder, sea, where pant lengths should be falling to 134 00:05:40,274 --> 00:05:44,354 Speaker 4: and this varies depending on different bodies and heights and shapes. 135 00:05:44,513 --> 00:05:47,713 Speaker 4: Not one body is ever naturally the same. Yeah, So 136 00:05:47,753 --> 00:05:50,313 Speaker 4: with that, it's heavily about the individual proportions. And I 137 00:05:50,354 --> 00:05:52,033 Speaker 4: have a little method that I like to talk my 138 00:05:52,073 --> 00:05:55,234 Speaker 4: clients through that is about where those points on their 139 00:05:55,274 --> 00:05:58,674 Speaker 4: body are they can always reference to when they're fit checking. So, 140 00:05:59,354 --> 00:06:01,993 Speaker 4: for example, if you were to buy a pair of shorts, 141 00:06:02,274 --> 00:06:03,833 Speaker 4: if you were to stand up and put your hands 142 00:06:03,873 --> 00:06:06,313 Speaker 4: by your side, where your fingertips finish is a pretty 143 00:06:06,313 --> 00:06:08,674 Speaker 4: good indication of your shortest length should be. 144 00:06:08,714 --> 00:06:11,433 Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good hack. Yeah, and your shortest lengths. 145 00:06:11,714 --> 00:06:15,273 Speaker 1: So where your fingertips hit when you stand straight, arms long, yes, okay, 146 00:06:15,393 --> 00:06:18,634 Speaker 1: is where the shortest part of your outfit should be. Yeah, 147 00:06:18,794 --> 00:06:20,993 Speaker 1: or an ideal kind of hemline, because that's where your 148 00:06:20,993 --> 00:06:24,433 Speaker 1: thighs naturally curve inward. So if you're wearing a pair 149 00:06:24,433 --> 00:06:26,633 Speaker 1: of shorts and you've put them on and they feel 150 00:06:26,674 --> 00:06:28,833 Speaker 1: all of a sudden way too short, that they probably 151 00:06:28,834 --> 00:06:30,873 Speaker 1: are and probably hitting the widest point of the hips. 152 00:06:31,154 --> 00:06:33,073 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I've never thought, I know it's going 153 00:06:33,073 --> 00:06:37,873 Speaker 1: to say when they feel too when it's too long? Yeah, wrong, yeah, yeah. 154 00:06:37,633 --> 00:06:38,914 Speaker 2: Then it feels like it's hitting the knee. 155 00:06:38,914 --> 00:06:41,874 Speaker 4: It's creating horizontal line at your knee, which no one 156 00:06:41,914 --> 00:06:42,954 Speaker 4: really ever loves it needs. 157 00:06:42,953 --> 00:06:44,714 Speaker 1: So I want to do something a bit different today. 158 00:06:44,714 --> 00:06:47,993 Speaker 1: We're gonna rather than focusing on what to buy, you're 159 00:06:48,034 --> 00:06:50,154 Speaker 1: going to guide us a bit on the six things 160 00:06:50,313 --> 00:06:53,993 Speaker 1: that you wouldn't let a client shop for. So let's 161 00:06:54,034 --> 00:06:57,433 Speaker 1: start off with the first thing that you, as a stylist, 162 00:06:57,474 --> 00:06:59,034 Speaker 1: would not recommend we be buying. 163 00:06:59,393 --> 00:07:01,234 Speaker 4: So the first thing, and I've got some notes on 164 00:07:01,234 --> 00:07:04,073 Speaker 4: my phone because they're quite they're quite extensive. 165 00:07:04,193 --> 00:07:07,193 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's get extension. Let's get into it. 166 00:07:07,234 --> 00:07:09,874 Speaker 4: So the first thing would be, I'd never recommend purchasing 167 00:07:09,874 --> 00:07:12,393 Speaker 4: items just because they're meant to fit your body shape. 168 00:07:12,474 --> 00:07:13,874 Speaker 2: So this goes from all of the. 169 00:07:13,794 --> 00:07:16,274 Speaker 4: Free guides you've probably found about body shapes and color 170 00:07:16,314 --> 00:07:17,074 Speaker 4: tones and this is what. 171 00:07:17,034 --> 00:07:17,754 Speaker 2: You should be doing. 172 00:07:18,114 --> 00:07:20,593 Speaker 4: All of that sort of stuff is great information to 173 00:07:20,634 --> 00:07:22,914 Speaker 4: begin with, and it's a really useful starting point for 174 00:07:22,994 --> 00:07:25,034 Speaker 4: most people, especially when they're at a point where they 175 00:07:25,034 --> 00:07:27,714 Speaker 4: actually don't know anything to like, what do they do? 176 00:07:27,754 --> 00:07:29,833 Speaker 4: Where do they start? That's always a nice starting point. 177 00:07:30,154 --> 00:07:32,514 Speaker 4: But the thing that I normally find is that when 178 00:07:32,554 --> 00:07:34,674 Speaker 4: people take that information and then they go to the 179 00:07:34,674 --> 00:07:36,593 Speaker 4: shops and they try on the things that should be 180 00:07:36,594 --> 00:07:39,554 Speaker 4: working for their body shape, they actually don't. And that's 181 00:07:39,594 --> 00:07:43,074 Speaker 4: because their individual proportions and their style, personality and their 182 00:07:43,114 --> 00:07:44,273 Speaker 4: lifestyle isn't really factor. 183 00:07:44,354 --> 00:07:46,514 Speaker 1: There's no cutcutter approach exactly. 184 00:07:46,914 --> 00:07:49,153 Speaker 4: So they might get into a change room and they're 185 00:07:49,194 --> 00:07:51,474 Speaker 4: trying on the A line skirt, which should absolutely work 186 00:07:51,514 --> 00:07:53,354 Speaker 4: for their shape, and then they go, oh, it doesn't 187 00:07:53,354 --> 00:07:55,234 Speaker 4: feel right, it doesn't look right. I don't like it, 188 00:07:55,554 --> 00:07:57,794 Speaker 4: and they feel like their body is the problem, or 189 00:07:57,794 --> 00:08:00,274 Speaker 4: they feel like there's nothing out there for them, and 190 00:08:00,274 --> 00:08:02,033 Speaker 4: that's not the reality at all. 191 00:08:02,393 --> 00:08:03,514 Speaker 2: It's really the. 192 00:08:03,674 --> 00:08:06,914 Speaker 4: Education around dressing for their individual proportions and then merging 193 00:08:06,953 --> 00:08:09,114 Speaker 4: that with their personality and how they want to feel 194 00:08:09,674 --> 00:08:11,234 Speaker 4: just hasn't been found yet. 195 00:08:11,474 --> 00:08:14,554 Speaker 1: Okay, So don't buy things that you think should fit 196 00:08:14,714 --> 00:08:18,914 Speaker 1: your proportions just based on like outdated kind of notions 197 00:08:18,953 --> 00:08:21,473 Speaker 1: around body shapes, and because I feel like there was 198 00:08:21,474 --> 00:08:25,674 Speaker 1: a very prescriptive sort of you know, guide to women's 199 00:08:25,674 --> 00:08:28,434 Speaker 1: body shapes that we've sort of hung our hat on 200 00:08:28,554 --> 00:08:31,874 Speaker 1: for decades now. It's like the apples and pears and 201 00:08:31,914 --> 00:08:35,034 Speaker 1: those sort of fruit cliches. Right, Not to say that 202 00:08:35,074 --> 00:08:37,554 Speaker 1: those don't have their place, like you said, but if 203 00:08:37,594 --> 00:08:39,714 Speaker 1: you're very stringent about it and you really just think 204 00:08:39,714 --> 00:08:41,634 Speaker 1: of yourself as one shape, then how can you ever 205 00:08:41,674 --> 00:08:44,953 Speaker 1: find like other things that suit you right exactly? Is 206 00:08:44,994 --> 00:08:47,674 Speaker 1: there a review approach to body shapes like has that 207 00:08:47,794 --> 00:08:50,074 Speaker 1: fruit thing gone? And have we tried something? Have we 208 00:08:50,074 --> 00:08:50,794 Speaker 1: got something new? 209 00:08:51,194 --> 00:08:53,194 Speaker 4: I think that's still there. I still use shapes with 210 00:08:53,234 --> 00:08:55,394 Speaker 4: my clients, so I still definitely do. Okay, we're a 211 00:08:55,394 --> 00:08:57,994 Speaker 4: triangle body shape, but maybe you cross over with an hourglass, 212 00:08:57,994 --> 00:09:00,874 Speaker 4: which is really common, or maybe you're an apple body shape, 213 00:09:00,874 --> 00:09:02,833 Speaker 4: but maybe you do have a little bit more bit 214 00:09:02,834 --> 00:09:07,114 Speaker 4: more volume in your legs. It's look as those individual points, 215 00:09:06,794 --> 00:09:09,514 Speaker 4: but mainly about those reference points which I go through 216 00:09:09,514 --> 00:09:11,554 Speaker 4: with my clients on what parts of their body shape 217 00:09:11,554 --> 00:09:13,914 Speaker 4: are we're looking at to make sure proportions of outfits 218 00:09:13,914 --> 00:09:14,874 Speaker 4: are fitting. 219 00:09:15,154 --> 00:09:17,834 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, minimizing certain things and making the most of 220 00:09:17,874 --> 00:09:22,274 Speaker 1: other things. Yeah, and whatnot? Illusion really yeah, that's how 221 00:09:22,314 --> 00:09:24,714 Speaker 1: I love describe it. Okay, what's the next thing that 222 00:09:24,754 --> 00:09:26,674 Speaker 1: you wouldn't be recommending that we buy? 223 00:09:27,154 --> 00:09:31,074 Speaker 4: So trend based fashion is a big one for clients. 224 00:09:31,834 --> 00:09:34,354 Speaker 1: We are a fashion show talk a lot about trends. 225 00:09:34,354 --> 00:09:36,514 Speaker 1: But I have to say, like, I'm intrigued with this 226 00:09:36,794 --> 00:09:39,634 Speaker 1: because as a stylist you're obviously very cross trends. But 227 00:09:40,394 --> 00:09:42,994 Speaker 1: when you say trend based items, like what are we avoiding? 228 00:09:43,114 --> 00:09:43,914 Speaker 1: So we need to avoid? 229 00:09:44,034 --> 00:09:46,514 Speaker 4: It's less about the items themselves more about the concept 230 00:09:46,514 --> 00:09:48,474 Speaker 4: of feeling like you need to keep up. A lot 231 00:09:48,554 --> 00:09:50,114 Speaker 4: of clients come to me and they say, I feel 232 00:09:50,114 --> 00:09:54,274 Speaker 4: like I'm outdated, that I don't have cool clothes, I'm 233 00:09:54,314 --> 00:09:56,514 Speaker 4: not feeling good, I'm not feeling relevant anymore. That's kind 234 00:09:56,514 --> 00:09:59,194 Speaker 4: of where it comes from and with those clients, a 235 00:09:59,234 --> 00:10:02,194 Speaker 4: lot of the time they're absorbing whatever fashion content they 236 00:10:02,274 --> 00:10:04,714 Speaker 4: can find online, and it's whatever pops up on their feed, 237 00:10:04,754 --> 00:10:06,954 Speaker 4: and that's that's totally okay. It's a good starting point, 238 00:10:07,434 --> 00:10:10,874 Speaker 4: but then they can't relate that to their body, their 239 00:10:10,874 --> 00:10:12,994 Speaker 4: lifestyle and how they want to feel. So it's kind 240 00:10:12,994 --> 00:10:15,394 Speaker 4: of always referring back to those three points. And a 241 00:10:15,434 --> 00:10:18,154 Speaker 4: lot of the time they'll be buying into influence of 242 00:10:18,234 --> 00:10:20,954 Speaker 4: fashion or they're buying into what someone else is wearing, 243 00:10:21,514 --> 00:10:24,674 Speaker 4: which is okay. Initially, it can give you that kind 244 00:10:24,674 --> 00:10:27,994 Speaker 4: of experimentation, and I do think trend is great for 245 00:10:28,154 --> 00:10:30,594 Speaker 4: evolving your style. I think that's really useful and that's 246 00:10:30,634 --> 00:10:33,914 Speaker 4: kind of needed. But then it's when you kind of go, okay, well, 247 00:10:34,034 --> 00:10:36,154 Speaker 4: this retailer is doing this this season, I'm going to 248 00:10:36,154 --> 00:10:37,994 Speaker 4: buy the whole outfit. Yeah, and then all of a 249 00:10:37,994 --> 00:10:40,674 Speaker 4: sudden it feels weird and they feel uncomfortable, and a 250 00:10:40,714 --> 00:10:42,674 Speaker 4: lot of the time they can start to feel like they're. 251 00:10:42,514 --> 00:10:44,834 Speaker 2: Kind of not cool enough, or they pull it off. 252 00:10:44,954 --> 00:10:45,714 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. 253 00:10:45,914 --> 00:10:49,074 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think a lot of the inspiration that 254 00:10:49,234 --> 00:10:51,714 Speaker 1: we're getting served because that's what it is, whether you 255 00:10:51,754 --> 00:10:54,154 Speaker 1: opt in or not you're getting served fashion inspiration. If 256 00:10:54,194 --> 00:10:56,714 Speaker 1: you're like a fashion consumer and someone who seeks out 257 00:10:56,714 --> 00:10:58,474 Speaker 1: that kind of content on your phone. A lot of 258 00:10:58,474 --> 00:11:01,314 Speaker 1: what you're getting served is like the very experimental or 259 00:11:01,354 --> 00:11:04,114 Speaker 1: like the very sort of refined version of that that 260 00:11:04,154 --> 00:11:06,674 Speaker 1: someone else is wearing in some other environment, in some 261 00:11:06,794 --> 00:11:10,434 Speaker 1: other whell. Yeah, they look super super cool in that outfit, 262 00:11:10,474 --> 00:11:12,394 Speaker 1: but like it's not realistic for your lifestyle, or it's 263 00:11:12,434 --> 00:11:14,114 Speaker 1: not a shape that you'd wear, it's not a trend 264 00:11:14,114 --> 00:11:16,994 Speaker 1: that you wear. But then it's reinforced over and over, 265 00:11:17,114 --> 00:11:19,394 Speaker 1: like the more you it's the nature of the algorithm, Right, 266 00:11:19,434 --> 00:11:22,074 Speaker 1: the more you serve that micro skirt or that you know, 267 00:11:22,154 --> 00:11:25,434 Speaker 1: specific shape of blouse or whatever, the more you see 268 00:11:25,434 --> 00:11:27,434 Speaker 1: it and then you feel like you need it. How 269 00:11:27,434 --> 00:11:30,754 Speaker 1: do we train ourselves maybe to opt out of thinking 270 00:11:30,794 --> 00:11:32,834 Speaker 1: we need things we don't and focus on the things 271 00:11:32,874 --> 00:11:33,394 Speaker 1: that we do. 272 00:11:33,794 --> 00:11:35,714 Speaker 4: So I think that comes down to knowing what your 273 00:11:35,714 --> 00:11:38,314 Speaker 4: lifestyle gaps are. Yeah, where you're struggling to get dressed. 274 00:11:38,354 --> 00:11:39,953 Speaker 4: Is it for work in the morning. Are you feeling 275 00:11:40,034 --> 00:11:42,474 Speaker 4: like you're really missing a particular item? You can't put 276 00:11:42,474 --> 00:11:45,234 Speaker 4: things together because that particular items not like a. 277 00:11:45,234 --> 00:11:47,954 Speaker 1: Learning pin, like a blazer or a gene or something. 278 00:11:48,034 --> 00:11:48,394 Speaker 2: Yeah. 279 00:11:48,394 --> 00:11:50,874 Speaker 4: So if we go with say Taylor black pants, for example, 280 00:11:51,114 --> 00:11:54,234 Speaker 4: ten years ago, they were more skinny, leg fitted, mid 281 00:11:54,274 --> 00:11:56,994 Speaker 4: to maybe high rise kind of options, and now we 282 00:11:57,074 --> 00:11:59,874 Speaker 4: see these wider leg, flowy options, which is great, and 283 00:11:59,874 --> 00:12:03,714 Speaker 4: that's more not trend driven, more current. Yeah, less trend driven, 284 00:12:03,754 --> 00:12:06,794 Speaker 4: more current fashion, and that's a great replacement for those 285 00:12:06,874 --> 00:12:10,714 Speaker 4: old fitted, midry, skinny leg pants that you used to wear. 286 00:12:10,834 --> 00:12:14,114 Speaker 1: So true, I'm thinking late in my mind's eye. Now, 287 00:12:14,194 --> 00:12:17,234 Speaker 1: you're right, it is like that looser slack pant that 288 00:12:17,354 --> 00:12:19,634 Speaker 1: just feels more current to your point, but you're not 289 00:12:19,674 --> 00:12:22,554 Speaker 1: necessarily buying a capri pant because that's the trend that 290 00:12:22,594 --> 00:12:23,674 Speaker 1: all the girlies are wearing. 291 00:12:23,754 --> 00:12:24,594 Speaker 2: Right exactly. 292 00:12:24,674 --> 00:12:27,434 Speaker 1: It's like understanding that you can be updated in your 293 00:12:27,434 --> 00:12:30,114 Speaker 1: style without being like a slave to what's new, because 294 00:12:30,114 --> 00:12:32,114 Speaker 1: I feel like I often see, like even me as 295 00:12:32,114 --> 00:12:35,554 Speaker 1: a fashion journalist and a content creator, like capri pants 296 00:12:35,594 --> 00:12:37,554 Speaker 1: are just not for me. They're not for my body. 297 00:12:37,954 --> 00:12:40,154 Speaker 1: But the more that you see it, the more you 298 00:12:40,194 --> 00:12:42,394 Speaker 1: start to think, oh, I need to try it. 299 00:12:42,754 --> 00:12:43,474 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. 300 00:12:43,954 --> 00:12:47,674 Speaker 4: As a stylist, yeah, there's things that I go, Okay, well, 301 00:12:47,674 --> 00:12:49,194 Speaker 4: maybe I should be starting to wear a bit more 302 00:12:49,234 --> 00:12:50,954 Speaker 4: of this, and then I think that's just not me 303 00:12:51,034 --> 00:12:51,714 Speaker 4: and it feels weird. 304 00:12:51,754 --> 00:12:52,994 Speaker 2: So I'm going to I'm not going to try and 305 00:12:53,034 --> 00:12:53,994 Speaker 2: explore that one. 306 00:12:54,114 --> 00:12:56,354 Speaker 4: But then there's other things that I see that I'm like, Okay, 307 00:12:56,354 --> 00:12:58,554 Speaker 4: wide leg jeans when they started to come around years 308 00:12:58,554 --> 00:13:01,514 Speaker 4: ago now, or birkenstocks or chunky sandals, or when they 309 00:13:01,554 --> 00:13:03,834 Speaker 4: had their moment where they sort of came in and 310 00:13:03,874 --> 00:13:07,994 Speaker 4: they were new, but then they stuck around. It's like, okay, cool, 311 00:13:08,074 --> 00:13:09,034 Speaker 4: I can see this a little bit. 312 00:13:10,634 --> 00:13:14,514 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, So if it resonates with you, wear it, yeah, 313 00:13:14,714 --> 00:13:16,914 Speaker 1: try it experiment. But if it's not for you, like 314 00:13:16,994 --> 00:13:19,474 Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds so obvious, but sometimes it's hard 315 00:13:19,514 --> 00:13:22,034 Speaker 1: to like keep that in mind. Is yeah, and I 316 00:13:22,074 --> 00:13:23,034 Speaker 1: feel like you're missing out. 317 00:13:23,074 --> 00:13:24,714 Speaker 4: It's where we get stuck in that kind of weird 318 00:13:24,754 --> 00:13:28,074 Speaker 4: loop of comparison or kind of keeping up with everyone. 319 00:13:28,114 --> 00:13:29,274 Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, that's what. 320 00:13:38,474 --> 00:13:40,794 Speaker 1: Tak me through. The next thing. Okay, you wouldn't recommend 321 00:13:40,794 --> 00:13:41,154 Speaker 1: we buy. 322 00:13:41,394 --> 00:13:44,674 Speaker 4: The next thing that I wouldn't recommend would be outfits 323 00:13:44,714 --> 00:13:47,994 Speaker 4: that fall into the expectation of other people. So if 324 00:13:48,034 --> 00:13:50,234 Speaker 4: you're you know, when you might text a friend and 325 00:13:50,274 --> 00:13:51,834 Speaker 4: you're like, Hey, what are you wearing to whatever the 326 00:13:51,874 --> 00:13:56,794 Speaker 4: event is? And oftentimes I feel like that's not actually, yeah, 327 00:13:56,834 --> 00:13:58,554 Speaker 4: you might be curious, but you might. 328 00:13:58,394 --> 00:14:00,234 Speaker 2: Also be going what are you going to wear? 329 00:14:00,274 --> 00:14:01,914 Speaker 4: So that I can wear something similar and I feel 330 00:14:01,954 --> 00:14:03,994 Speaker 4: safe in that environment and I don't feel judged or 331 00:14:04,034 --> 00:14:06,874 Speaker 4: out of place or socially awkward. That's a big thing 332 00:14:06,914 --> 00:14:09,474 Speaker 4: of a lot of clients actually don't want to go 333 00:14:09,594 --> 00:14:12,794 Speaker 4: places socially because they don't know what to wear and 334 00:14:12,834 --> 00:14:14,634 Speaker 4: they feel like whatever they wear isn't going to be 335 00:14:14,674 --> 00:14:15,114 Speaker 4: good enough. 336 00:14:15,194 --> 00:14:18,154 Speaker 1: It's a limitation that's stopping them from getting out there. 337 00:14:18,194 --> 00:14:19,834 Speaker 1: That is so true, because if you feel like you 338 00:14:19,874 --> 00:14:22,394 Speaker 1: don't have the clothes to like represent yourself or to 339 00:14:22,434 --> 00:14:25,114 Speaker 1: fit in with that particular event, you might actually stop 340 00:14:25,114 --> 00:14:27,674 Speaker 1: yourself from or psych yourself out from going. 341 00:14:27,594 --> 00:14:30,874 Speaker 4: Yeah, how boring and shating and really sad. So we 342 00:14:30,914 --> 00:14:33,474 Speaker 4: don't want that. We want to go with the things 343 00:14:33,474 --> 00:14:35,394 Speaker 4: that we want to be wearing. So that kind of 344 00:14:35,434 --> 00:14:38,634 Speaker 4: comes back to that feeling focused dressing of what do 345 00:14:38,674 --> 00:14:40,434 Speaker 4: I want to feel like in the situation that I'm 346 00:14:40,434 --> 00:14:43,994 Speaker 4: going to and having the courage and the confidence to 347 00:14:44,114 --> 00:14:46,914 Speaker 4: do that rather than going Okay, well, I want to 348 00:14:46,954 --> 00:14:49,154 Speaker 4: wear this that I'm not going to wear this because 349 00:14:49,394 --> 00:14:51,554 Speaker 4: this person might judge me, or this person might question 350 00:14:51,634 --> 00:14:54,114 Speaker 4: what I'm wearing. It's like when you get those comments like, oh, 351 00:14:54,154 --> 00:14:55,474 Speaker 4: where are you going? You're so dressed up? 352 00:14:55,674 --> 00:14:57,794 Speaker 2: Oh who would wear heels to that? 353 00:14:57,794 --> 00:14:58,514 Speaker 1: That's so cool? 354 00:14:58,554 --> 00:15:01,474 Speaker 2: I just want to cut But how do we. 355 00:15:01,434 --> 00:15:03,914 Speaker 1: Get out of our own way with that kind of thinking? 356 00:15:04,154 --> 00:15:07,114 Speaker 4: I honestly think it comes with doing it. You literally 357 00:15:07,234 --> 00:15:10,594 Speaker 4: just have to otherwise you just feel limited forever, and 358 00:15:10,634 --> 00:15:13,394 Speaker 4: that's so boring. Yeah, And I think once you do 359 00:15:13,474 --> 00:15:15,754 Speaker 4: whatever it is that you're telling yourself that you can't. So, 360 00:15:15,794 --> 00:15:19,314 Speaker 4: whether that's wearing heels to a pub, that's okay, you can. 361 00:15:19,954 --> 00:15:22,594 Speaker 4: And then you do that and you go, okay, well 362 00:15:22,634 --> 00:15:25,474 Speaker 4: actually got compliments. Yeah, felt good, feel good. I do 363 00:15:25,514 --> 00:15:28,234 Speaker 4: it again, yes, And then it's the opposite. If you 364 00:15:28,314 --> 00:15:30,234 Speaker 4: do and you feel weird, you just don't do it again. 365 00:15:30,354 --> 00:15:30,914 Speaker 4: That's okay. 366 00:15:31,074 --> 00:15:33,514 Speaker 1: I have a like example of this from my own life, 367 00:15:33,554 --> 00:15:37,154 Speaker 1: like living in a small coastal town and being someone 368 00:15:37,194 --> 00:15:39,314 Speaker 1: who loves fashion, I often feel like I really have 369 00:15:39,394 --> 00:15:41,634 Speaker 1: to downplay my style to kind of fit in with 370 00:15:41,674 --> 00:15:45,474 Speaker 1: the relaxed sort of style ethoss of the people around me. 371 00:15:45,594 --> 00:15:47,594 Speaker 1: But when I go out or when i'm doing something 372 00:15:47,714 --> 00:15:49,994 Speaker 1: like even though I'm a mum, and even though I'm 373 00:15:50,034 --> 00:15:52,474 Speaker 1: like I am chill and relaxed and I live by 374 00:15:52,514 --> 00:15:54,314 Speaker 1: the beach, like, I still want to play with fashion 375 00:15:54,674 --> 00:15:56,834 Speaker 1: and it does sometimes hold me back. Like there's times 376 00:15:56,834 --> 00:15:58,914 Speaker 1: when like I'll go to our local pub and I 377 00:15:58,954 --> 00:16:00,754 Speaker 1: just want to wear something a bit more fabulous to 378 00:16:00,794 --> 00:16:03,394 Speaker 1: feel good about myself. But then there's that little voice 379 00:16:03,394 --> 00:16:06,034 Speaker 1: that stops me, that goes, that's too much, that's too extra, 380 00:16:06,234 --> 00:16:08,434 Speaker 1: like take the heels off for you know, don't have 381 00:16:08,514 --> 00:16:10,914 Speaker 1: that bag, And it's like, you're right, it is limiting. 382 00:16:11,234 --> 00:16:13,234 Speaker 1: But it's a reality that we face as women, isn't 383 00:16:13,234 --> 00:16:15,914 Speaker 1: it that we compare ourselves to others and like I said, 384 00:16:15,954 --> 00:16:18,394 Speaker 1: get in our own way. Yeah, something we trying to do. 385 00:16:18,794 --> 00:16:21,874 Speaker 1: Trying to express myself a bit more this year, even 386 00:16:21,914 --> 00:16:23,474 Speaker 1: in the place that I live that does have this 387 00:16:23,514 --> 00:16:26,554 Speaker 1: sort of like really relaxed, you know, sty ethos, But 388 00:16:26,834 --> 00:16:30,274 Speaker 1: let myself be more, have more fun with my outfits. 389 00:16:30,274 --> 00:16:31,674 Speaker 1: I think that's something we can all try to do 390 00:16:31,754 --> 00:16:32,114 Speaker 1: more of. 391 00:16:32,514 --> 00:16:34,994 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so too, And that's exactly what clients 392 00:16:35,154 --> 00:16:37,034 Speaker 4: kind of come to me with that exact same feeling, 393 00:16:37,114 --> 00:16:38,234 Speaker 4: and I can relate to that too. 394 00:16:38,274 --> 00:16:39,314 Speaker 2: I live in southwest Sydney. 395 00:16:39,674 --> 00:16:42,554 Speaker 4: It's not necessarily a fancy area or a dressy area. 396 00:16:43,274 --> 00:16:46,914 Speaker 4: We live literally amongst farmyards. So yeah, so yeah, I 397 00:16:46,954 --> 00:16:48,514 Speaker 4: always do feel that little bit more addressed. 398 00:16:48,554 --> 00:16:50,394 Speaker 1: But I'm okay with that. Yeah, you just practice and 399 00:16:50,394 --> 00:16:52,194 Speaker 1: we do it anyway. Like you said, just do it 400 00:16:52,274 --> 00:16:53,274 Speaker 1: and see how you feel. 401 00:16:53,474 --> 00:16:55,634 Speaker 2: Sounds so simple, it does. 402 00:16:55,834 --> 00:16:58,594 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, talk to me about the next 403 00:16:58,634 --> 00:16:59,914 Speaker 1: thing that we shouldn't be buying. 404 00:17:00,114 --> 00:17:02,954 Speaker 4: The next would be things that are items that fell 405 00:17:02,994 --> 00:17:07,154 Speaker 4: lifestyle gaps that you don't actually have. So this could be, 406 00:17:07,634 --> 00:17:11,313 Speaker 4: for example, a white shirt if you are not at 407 00:17:11,354 --> 00:17:13,114 Speaker 4: a stage of life where that is a practical thing 408 00:17:13,114 --> 00:17:15,634 Speaker 4: for you. If you're kind of finding it hard to 409 00:17:15,674 --> 00:17:17,914 Speaker 4: wear anything other than jeans with a white shirt, you 410 00:17:17,994 --> 00:17:22,034 Speaker 4: probably don't need it. It's also that example of after 411 00:17:22,074 --> 00:17:26,634 Speaker 4: having a baby those early postpartum months, that mum probably 412 00:17:26,674 --> 00:17:29,314 Speaker 4: doesn't need a good pair of jeans yet. She's probably 413 00:17:29,314 --> 00:17:31,114 Speaker 4: at the stage where she just needs to get out 414 00:17:31,114 --> 00:17:34,354 Speaker 4: of the hospital level tracksuit pants that she's been in. Yeah, 415 00:17:34,394 --> 00:17:35,954 Speaker 4: she just needs to feel that little bit better, So 416 00:17:36,034 --> 00:17:38,954 Speaker 4: maybe that's a pair of really nice aff leisure tights. 417 00:17:39,074 --> 00:17:42,354 Speaker 1: That's okay, girl, you need elastic wist Yeah, at that stage, 418 00:17:42,434 --> 00:17:44,474 Speaker 1: like no one is getting down on the floor with 419 00:17:44,514 --> 00:17:47,394 Speaker 1: a baby in like tightly fitted jeans exact. I feel 420 00:17:47,434 --> 00:17:49,074 Speaker 1: like they were the first things to go when I 421 00:17:49,114 --> 00:17:51,154 Speaker 1: had a baby, and like ever since then, I've really 422 00:17:51,154 --> 00:17:53,834 Speaker 1: found it hard to wear jeans again. Yeah, unless I'm 423 00:17:53,874 --> 00:17:55,874 Speaker 1: really like I'm going out and I'm like, I'm dressing 424 00:17:55,914 --> 00:17:58,634 Speaker 1: up these jeans. It's elastic waist pants all the way. 425 00:17:58,634 --> 00:18:01,514 Speaker 1: But it's like cool trackies with the side stripe, where 426 00:18:01,514 --> 00:18:03,434 Speaker 1: it's like my knit pants that I live in every 427 00:18:03,514 --> 00:18:05,513 Speaker 1: day that they're still comfortable, but they still feel that 428 00:18:05,554 --> 00:18:08,234 Speaker 1: little bit more polished day wear exactly. 429 00:18:08,274 --> 00:18:09,754 Speaker 2: And there's so many options now too. 430 00:18:09,794 --> 00:18:11,914 Speaker 4: I think it's there's so many things available to us 431 00:18:11,954 --> 00:18:14,353 Speaker 4: that we didn't have available a few years ago, and 432 00:18:14,394 --> 00:18:16,834 Speaker 4: it's a really nice way to start to wear things 433 00:18:16,874 --> 00:18:19,634 Speaker 4: that are different to what we're normally kind of reverting to. 434 00:18:20,234 --> 00:18:22,273 Speaker 4: But it gives more people options of things that are 435 00:18:22,274 --> 00:18:24,354 Speaker 4: not just dnim that they can do in fun ways 436 00:18:24,354 --> 00:18:26,274 Speaker 4: that feel stylish and they still feel like they're getting 437 00:18:26,314 --> 00:18:27,554 Speaker 4: that sense of identity back. 438 00:18:27,674 --> 00:18:30,794 Speaker 1: Yeah, you said the white shirt you reference the white shirt, 439 00:18:30,834 --> 00:18:33,474 Speaker 1: and I think that's such a good one to reference 440 00:18:33,554 --> 00:18:36,033 Speaker 1: because when we talk about capsule wardrobes, and I know 441 00:18:36,114 --> 00:18:38,033 Speaker 1: that's like a core tenet of what you provide your 442 00:18:38,034 --> 00:18:40,513 Speaker 1: clients with, like their capsule, right, yeah, for them, and 443 00:18:40,514 --> 00:18:44,314 Speaker 1: that's important. But like the white shirt is one of 444 00:18:44,354 --> 00:18:47,994 Speaker 1: those like standard prescribed items for your capsule wardrobe. And 445 00:18:48,034 --> 00:18:51,394 Speaker 1: it's like, I have nowhere to wear a white shirt realistically, 446 00:18:51,754 --> 00:18:55,234 Speaker 1: and sometimes that shouldn't be in my capsule exactly what 447 00:18:55,234 --> 00:18:56,074 Speaker 1: would you replace it with? 448 00:18:56,314 --> 00:18:58,634 Speaker 2: So I would I'll use myself as an example. 449 00:18:58,674 --> 00:19:01,114 Speaker 4: Yeah, I always have a white top of some extent 450 00:19:01,234 --> 00:19:03,834 Speaker 4: in my wardrobe at all times, for every single season. 451 00:19:04,194 --> 00:19:06,514 Speaker 4: But at the moment, it's a white off the shoulder, 452 00:19:07,514 --> 00:19:08,154 Speaker 4: which I love. 453 00:19:08,314 --> 00:19:09,074 Speaker 2: I love that so much. 454 00:19:09,114 --> 00:19:10,714 Speaker 4: It's got no sleeves, but I can wear a blazer 455 00:19:10,754 --> 00:19:12,074 Speaker 4: in winter, so I can wear it most months of 456 00:19:12,114 --> 00:19:14,513 Speaker 4: the year, and that feels much more me than a 457 00:19:14,554 --> 00:19:16,394 Speaker 4: white shirt. And I'll wear it in the exact same 458 00:19:16,434 --> 00:19:19,154 Speaker 4: way as what one would probably wear a white. 459 00:19:18,954 --> 00:19:21,513 Speaker 1: Style a shirt with. So it's finding like the spin 460 00:19:21,594 --> 00:19:24,754 Speaker 1: on it where you're still getting like the effect of 461 00:19:24,834 --> 00:19:28,793 Speaker 1: the maybe the style or the color, but not necessarily 462 00:19:28,874 --> 00:19:31,994 Speaker 1: the prescriptive piece itself. 463 00:19:32,114 --> 00:19:34,154 Speaker 4: Yeah, you kind of want the ease of that piece 464 00:19:34,554 --> 00:19:37,594 Speaker 4: and the wear ability and the interchangeable kind of aspect 465 00:19:37,994 --> 00:19:39,674 Speaker 4: that should all still be there, but it doesn't have 466 00:19:39,754 --> 00:19:39,914 Speaker 4: to be. 467 00:19:40,034 --> 00:19:42,154 Speaker 1: Yeah, the white shp specifically, that could be like a 468 00:19:42,194 --> 00:19:45,794 Speaker 1: little nitpolo in white or something that still has a collar. Yeah, Okay, 469 00:19:45,794 --> 00:19:47,434 Speaker 1: I think I'm yetting it. I'm picking up what you're 470 00:19:47,434 --> 00:19:50,314 Speaker 1: putting down. Okay, any more points for us? Anything else 471 00:19:50,314 --> 00:19:51,194 Speaker 1: we shouldn't be buying. 472 00:19:51,794 --> 00:19:54,793 Speaker 4: Other things would be items that make you feel like 473 00:19:54,834 --> 00:19:58,154 Speaker 4: your body needs to change. So a lot of clients 474 00:19:58,194 --> 00:20:00,354 Speaker 4: feel that things don't fit them or don't suit them, 475 00:20:00,434 --> 00:20:02,833 Speaker 4: and that there's something out there for every other body 476 00:20:02,914 --> 00:20:06,114 Speaker 4: in the world except theirs, And I get that. It 477 00:20:06,154 --> 00:20:08,114 Speaker 4: can be really disheartening when you're in the chain room 478 00:20:08,114 --> 00:20:10,513 Speaker 4: and you try on like eleven things in one shop 479 00:20:10,554 --> 00:20:12,594 Speaker 4: and you leave with nothing, or maybe you go for 480 00:20:12,714 --> 00:20:15,634 Speaker 4: one or two of the maybe half there maybe it's 481 00:20:15,674 --> 00:20:19,634 Speaker 4: okay sort of pieces, and then it feels like your 482 00:20:19,674 --> 00:20:21,634 Speaker 4: size needs to be different, or your body shape needs 483 00:20:21,674 --> 00:20:23,874 Speaker 4: to be different, your legs need to be longer, or 484 00:20:23,994 --> 00:20:25,754 Speaker 4: you need to have less veins on your legs, or 485 00:20:25,794 --> 00:20:28,314 Speaker 4: your arms need to have less skin on them. It's 486 00:20:28,354 --> 00:20:30,994 Speaker 4: all of those sorts of things that we get stuck 487 00:20:31,034 --> 00:20:32,714 Speaker 4: in and then we just revert to the same safe 488 00:20:32,714 --> 00:20:35,994 Speaker 4: thing all the time. It's also going with that point, 489 00:20:36,474 --> 00:20:39,874 Speaker 4: anything that you need to buy shapewear to wear probably 490 00:20:39,914 --> 00:20:41,514 Speaker 4: isn't a great point for you to buy. 491 00:20:41,834 --> 00:20:43,714 Speaker 1: So okay, a piece for you to buy, talk to 492 00:20:43,714 --> 00:20:44,434 Speaker 1: me more about that. 493 00:20:44,594 --> 00:20:47,513 Speaker 4: So this is when someone might put on a dress, 494 00:20:47,554 --> 00:20:49,834 Speaker 4: for example, and they say, yeah, I love it, but 495 00:20:49,874 --> 00:20:51,354 Speaker 4: I feel like I need to wear shape wey with this, 496 00:20:51,634 --> 00:20:54,553 Speaker 4: and they're okay with getting shapewear to wear with that dress. 497 00:20:54,874 --> 00:20:56,273 Speaker 4: But then I would kind of think, well, no, we 498 00:20:56,314 --> 00:20:58,154 Speaker 4: need something with a bit more structure in the fabric, 499 00:20:58,194 --> 00:20:59,874 Speaker 4: or we need something that fits the waiste a little 500 00:20:59,874 --> 00:21:02,474 Speaker 4: bit differently, or we need to make this easy for you, 501 00:21:02,514 --> 00:21:04,634 Speaker 4: because if you need to wear shapewear with this, you're 502 00:21:04,674 --> 00:21:07,274 Speaker 4: not going to wear it on a random Wednesday. It's 503 00:21:07,274 --> 00:21:09,714 Speaker 4: really limiting probably going to be an impulse purchase that 504 00:21:09,714 --> 00:21:10,634 Speaker 4: sits in your wardrobe. 505 00:21:10,714 --> 00:21:13,194 Speaker 1: Yeah, or like you if you're needing to like suck 506 00:21:13,234 --> 00:21:15,793 Speaker 1: in your body to a point where you're uncomfortable so 507 00:21:15,874 --> 00:21:18,114 Speaker 1: that it sits right on you, it's not. 508 00:21:18,114 --> 00:21:20,194 Speaker 4: The right shape for you exactly, and there's a better 509 00:21:20,234 --> 00:21:21,434 Speaker 4: piece for you somewhere else. 510 00:21:21,914 --> 00:21:24,874 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely reassuring. I think, yeah, that's a positive, that 511 00:21:24,994 --> 00:21:25,754 Speaker 2: is reassuring. 512 00:21:25,874 --> 00:21:27,834 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever bought, maybe apart from my 513 00:21:27,874 --> 00:21:30,634 Speaker 1: wedding dress, which was like it needed a specific undergarment 514 00:21:30,674 --> 00:21:33,034 Speaker 1: and it needed to sit a certain way and was 515 00:21:33,074 --> 00:21:35,394 Speaker 1: slightly sheer, I don't think I've ever bought shapewear to 516 00:21:35,434 --> 00:21:37,914 Speaker 1: wear with anything. But then I reckon there would be 517 00:21:39,194 --> 00:21:41,714 Speaker 1: a whole heap of listeners who were in that sort 518 00:21:41,754 --> 00:21:46,394 Speaker 1: of corporate wardrobe sort of vibe and they're wearing a 519 00:21:46,394 --> 00:21:48,754 Speaker 1: lot of like tailored pieces or like pencil skirts and 520 00:21:48,754 --> 00:21:50,594 Speaker 1: things like that where they do feel like they need 521 00:21:50,594 --> 00:21:53,594 Speaker 1: a really streamlined look. So what would be like if 522 00:21:53,634 --> 00:21:56,234 Speaker 1: you're used to having, like you are in a corporate 523 00:21:56,314 --> 00:21:59,154 Speaker 1: job and you're wearing like a tight pencil skirt most days, 524 00:21:59,154 --> 00:22:01,834 Speaker 1: because that's just kind of what you wear, right, what's 525 00:22:01,874 --> 00:22:05,074 Speaker 1: another like, what's an alternative there? Maybe a skirt or 526 00:22:05,074 --> 00:22:07,354 Speaker 1: a pant or what what would you suggest? 527 00:22:07,394 --> 00:22:09,514 Speaker 4: I would still consider what underwear you're wearing, and I'd 528 00:22:09,514 --> 00:22:11,674 Speaker 4: probably do something that's a bit more mid to high rise. 529 00:22:11,714 --> 00:22:13,434 Speaker 4: So sitting kind of just done to the belly button 530 00:22:13,594 --> 00:22:16,674 Speaker 4: rather than too low on the waist and having something 531 00:22:16,714 --> 00:22:19,154 Speaker 4: with a bit more structure to it, so cotton, bamboo, 532 00:22:19,754 --> 00:22:23,714 Speaker 4: anything with ribbed details the unwear is great. But then 533 00:22:23,754 --> 00:22:26,074 Speaker 4: if it is actual individual pieces, I would look for 534 00:22:26,114 --> 00:22:28,634 Speaker 4: something then that has an element of elastic through the 535 00:22:28,674 --> 00:22:31,994 Speaker 4: waist normally at the back, flat front nobikavy pleats or 536 00:22:31,994 --> 00:22:35,314 Speaker 4: big billowy amounts of fabrics, and is still relatively fitted 537 00:22:35,394 --> 00:22:37,474 Speaker 4: from the waist to the thigh, and then it might 538 00:22:37,554 --> 00:22:39,394 Speaker 4: kind of flow out a little bit, so a subtle 539 00:22:39,434 --> 00:22:41,513 Speaker 4: a line or a relaxed wide leg pan. If an 540 00:22:41,554 --> 00:22:43,874 Speaker 4: a line skirt is not your thing, it could even 541 00:22:43,954 --> 00:22:46,994 Speaker 4: be doing things like ribbed dresses that have more structure 542 00:22:47,034 --> 00:22:49,234 Speaker 4: to the fabric or maybe more rooting detail on the 543 00:22:49,274 --> 00:22:51,194 Speaker 4: side so that we can draw the eye to different 544 00:22:51,194 --> 00:22:53,634 Speaker 4: points of the body so that the focus isn't on 545 00:22:53,634 --> 00:22:55,114 Speaker 4: that lower tummy or hip. 546 00:22:56,154 --> 00:22:58,874 Speaker 1: Oh you have so many good ideas. I love it. 547 00:22:58,954 --> 00:23:01,354 Speaker 1: So I wonder you're so good at what you do. Okay, 548 00:23:01,354 --> 00:23:03,914 Speaker 1: do you have any more points for us? Anything else 549 00:23:03,914 --> 00:23:05,474 Speaker 1: we shouldn't be buying. I really want to just like 550 00:23:05,594 --> 00:23:07,754 Speaker 1: pick your brain forever, please go on. 551 00:23:07,834 --> 00:23:10,354 Speaker 4: It would be items that just don't feel like you. 552 00:23:10,714 --> 00:23:13,073 Speaker 4: So this goes back to if you've ever put on, 553 00:23:13,274 --> 00:23:15,474 Speaker 4: say a top that you used to wear, used to 554 00:23:15,474 --> 00:23:17,313 Speaker 4: love it, the fit's still right, you still like the 555 00:23:17,314 --> 00:23:19,394 Speaker 4: look of it, it's still in good condition, and then 556 00:23:19,434 --> 00:23:20,714 Speaker 4: you put it on and you just go, this. 557 00:23:20,794 --> 00:23:22,874 Speaker 2: Just doesn't feel like me anymore. 558 00:23:23,394 --> 00:23:25,594 Speaker 4: And it's not necessarily that that's a bad piece or 559 00:23:25,594 --> 00:23:28,394 Speaker 4: it doesn't suit you, but that's a pretty clear indication 560 00:23:28,474 --> 00:23:31,554 Speaker 4: that your style has shifted. And this normally happens every 561 00:23:31,594 --> 00:23:33,073 Speaker 4: three to five years for most people. 562 00:23:33,194 --> 00:23:35,074 Speaker 2: Really, yeah, it's normally I. 563 00:23:35,034 --> 00:23:37,834 Speaker 4: Would say that's actually quite a long time, but for 564 00:23:37,914 --> 00:23:40,194 Speaker 4: some people it's a bit quicker. But generally, every three 565 00:23:40,234 --> 00:23:42,354 Speaker 4: to five years, your style will shift, and that tends 566 00:23:42,394 --> 00:23:45,914 Speaker 4: to be around lifestyle changes, around the natural changes in 567 00:23:45,954 --> 00:23:48,513 Speaker 4: our body, but also what we're starting to see and 568 00:23:48,594 --> 00:23:51,594 Speaker 4: absorb other people wearing when we go to the office. 569 00:23:51,394 --> 00:23:53,954 Speaker 4: What people are wearing kind of starts to filter into 570 00:23:54,034 --> 00:23:58,234 Speaker 4: our brain a little bit, and then it's kind of going, Okay, well, 571 00:23:58,354 --> 00:24:00,434 Speaker 4: that doesn't feel like me anymore, and that's okay, I'm 572 00:24:00,434 --> 00:24:02,514 Speaker 4: going to find something different. But the thing where people 573 00:24:02,594 --> 00:24:05,833 Speaker 4: get really stuck is when they go shopping for different 574 00:24:05,834 --> 00:24:09,394 Speaker 4: pieces or new items feel they need, and they start 575 00:24:09,394 --> 00:24:11,674 Speaker 4: to pick out the same things, and this comes from 576 00:24:11,674 --> 00:24:14,634 Speaker 4: a place of feeling like that is familiar, it is safe. 577 00:24:14,714 --> 00:24:16,914 Speaker 4: I know, it works. I've worn something like this before. 578 00:24:17,034 --> 00:24:20,474 Speaker 4: This suits me, and then it's kind of blocking that 579 00:24:20,514 --> 00:24:22,554 Speaker 4: evolution of your style a little. 580 00:24:22,314 --> 00:24:25,874 Speaker 1: Bit, right, Okay, So if we shouldn't be buying the 581 00:24:25,914 --> 00:24:28,513 Speaker 1: same thing, I mean, okay to that point though, I 582 00:24:28,514 --> 00:24:31,154 Speaker 1: guess there is a version of you wear like you 583 00:24:31,194 --> 00:24:33,594 Speaker 1: want to seek out the same things because they make 584 00:24:33,674 --> 00:24:35,354 Speaker 1: you feel good and come like if you found if 585 00:24:35,394 --> 00:24:37,714 Speaker 1: you come to that place of comfort within your style, 586 00:24:38,314 --> 00:24:41,114 Speaker 1: would you still discourage us from buying the same things? 587 00:24:41,234 --> 00:24:42,874 Speaker 1: Or is that like a good thing to buy more 588 00:24:42,914 --> 00:24:45,914 Speaker 1: of what you love and repeat it, and that would 589 00:24:45,914 --> 00:24:47,394 Speaker 1: be a good thing. That's a good that's a very 590 00:24:47,394 --> 00:24:49,314 Speaker 1: good sign that you're pretty clearing your style. 591 00:24:49,474 --> 00:24:51,154 Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got some style clarity. 592 00:24:50,834 --> 00:24:52,114 Speaker 1: Just asking for it. 593 00:24:51,594 --> 00:24:53,434 Speaker 2: It feels your style confidence. 594 00:24:53,674 --> 00:24:55,834 Speaker 4: But it also it also kind of goes okay, well, 595 00:24:56,034 --> 00:24:57,793 Speaker 4: these are things that I feel good in. I like them, 596 00:24:57,834 --> 00:25:00,554 Speaker 4: They're easy to wear, and then you replicate with similar 597 00:25:00,554 --> 00:25:02,313 Speaker 4: things that you can wear in the same outfits, but 598 00:25:02,394 --> 00:25:04,474 Speaker 4: just interchange the items, which kind of goes to that 599 00:25:04,514 --> 00:25:07,314 Speaker 4: captual wardrobe approach which I do with clients all the time, 600 00:25:07,834 --> 00:25:08,874 Speaker 4: and that's really useful. 601 00:25:08,874 --> 00:25:09,714 Speaker 2: That's a positive thing. 602 00:25:09,994 --> 00:25:12,634 Speaker 4: Even when we do a wardrobe edit, for example, we 603 00:25:12,674 --> 00:25:14,594 Speaker 4: would always start with the items that the client really 604 00:25:14,594 --> 00:25:17,313 Speaker 4: loves wearing the most, and that gives clarity on you, 605 00:25:17,474 --> 00:25:18,874 Speaker 4: like this sort of print, this is the right kind 606 00:25:18,914 --> 00:25:20,754 Speaker 4: of theme for you. This is the direction that we're 607 00:25:20,794 --> 00:25:22,474 Speaker 4: going in. But we'll build to it and add some 608 00:25:22,554 --> 00:25:25,434 Speaker 4: unexpected things in there too. But yes, going back to 609 00:25:25,714 --> 00:25:27,754 Speaker 4: the point of the items that just don't feel like you, 610 00:25:27,914 --> 00:25:30,234 Speaker 4: sometimes we hang on to things that just don't ask anymore, 611 00:25:30,474 --> 00:25:33,154 Speaker 4: and it's very easy to repeat that same cycle. I 612 00:25:33,434 --> 00:25:36,234 Speaker 4: definitely after having my two kids in that in this 613 00:25:36,314 --> 00:25:37,834 Speaker 4: four year space, I've got a four year old and 614 00:25:37,874 --> 00:25:40,394 Speaker 4: a one year old, I have noticed that my style has. 615 00:25:40,314 --> 00:25:43,034 Speaker 2: Changed quite a bit actually in each. 616 00:25:42,874 --> 00:25:45,754 Speaker 4: Of those after each of those babies were born, after 617 00:25:45,794 --> 00:25:48,474 Speaker 4: I had my kids, and I feel like now it 618 00:25:48,474 --> 00:25:50,714 Speaker 4: feels a bit more fun, a little bit more youthful, 619 00:25:51,354 --> 00:25:53,674 Speaker 4: and maybe before it wasn't so much like that. 620 00:25:54,514 --> 00:25:57,074 Speaker 1: Do you think that was about practicality or like something 621 00:25:57,154 --> 00:25:59,554 Speaker 1: in you shifting where you wanted to dress differently. 622 00:25:59,714 --> 00:26:01,474 Speaker 4: I think it was something in me shifting. I think 623 00:26:01,514 --> 00:26:03,674 Speaker 4: it was that I want to feel like myself again. 624 00:26:03,754 --> 00:26:06,714 Speaker 4: I want to feel like my style identity is coming back. 625 00:26:06,754 --> 00:26:09,034 Speaker 4: I want to feel really comfortable in my body again. 626 00:26:09,754 --> 00:26:13,154 Speaker 4: And I think that that naturally happens after definitely after 627 00:26:13,194 --> 00:26:15,994 Speaker 4: that one year mark, maybe before that. 628 00:26:16,154 --> 00:26:18,954 Speaker 1: When you lift your head above the proverbial waters and 629 00:26:18,994 --> 00:26:21,114 Speaker 1: you feel like you can kind of resurface again out 630 00:26:21,114 --> 00:26:23,553 Speaker 1: of the baby stage. That is so truly My style 631 00:26:23,714 --> 00:26:28,474 Speaker 1: changed completely postpartum, out of a sense of practical need, 632 00:26:28,674 --> 00:26:30,553 Speaker 1: like I said, not wearing tight jeans and things like 633 00:26:30,554 --> 00:26:32,914 Speaker 1: that anymore, but also just like relaxing into a different 634 00:26:32,994 --> 00:26:35,074 Speaker 1: version of myself. And I think you kind of have 635 00:26:35,154 --> 00:26:38,354 Speaker 1: to shift, you have to change, because there are things 636 00:26:38,394 --> 00:26:41,234 Speaker 1: that no longer feel comfortable, but also just don't really 637 00:26:41,234 --> 00:26:44,154 Speaker 1: feel like you anymore, exactly like you said. And I 638 00:26:44,354 --> 00:26:46,313 Speaker 1: but I think the issue I have is that, like 639 00:26:46,394 --> 00:26:48,914 Speaker 1: I struggle to shed them, like you said, like they're 640 00:26:48,954 --> 00:26:51,394 Speaker 1: still in my wardrobe even though I don't wear them 641 00:26:51,634 --> 00:26:55,154 Speaker 1: ninety percent of the time. Okay, like half my wardrobe 642 00:26:55,234 --> 00:26:58,114 Speaker 1: is still older pieces that I want to hang on to, Like, 643 00:26:58,154 --> 00:27:00,274 Speaker 1: how do you let go of it? It's obviously it's 644 00:27:00,314 --> 00:27:02,874 Speaker 1: like emotional baggage clinging onto those things, or maybe you 645 00:27:02,954 --> 00:27:05,074 Speaker 1: spent money on them in the past for an old 646 00:27:05,154 --> 00:27:07,394 Speaker 1: life and you no longer need them. But like, do 647 00:27:07,434 --> 00:27:09,353 Speaker 1: you just put them in trash bags and send them 648 00:27:09,394 --> 00:27:11,273 Speaker 1: on their way, or do you, like, is there anything 649 00:27:11,314 --> 00:27:12,874 Speaker 1: you hang on to, or like, do you have any 650 00:27:12,914 --> 00:27:13,634 Speaker 1: advice for that? 651 00:27:13,874 --> 00:27:16,354 Speaker 4: I think with the pieces that we tend to hang 652 00:27:16,394 --> 00:27:18,314 Speaker 4: on to and don't actually wear, I think there's a 653 00:27:18,354 --> 00:27:21,154 Speaker 4: place for some things to feel sentimental that maybe it 654 00:27:21,194 --> 00:27:22,914 Speaker 4: was at a really fun stage of your life and 655 00:27:22,914 --> 00:27:24,554 Speaker 4: you really want to hang on to that piece as 656 00:27:24,554 --> 00:27:26,994 Speaker 4: a memento almost. They just don't have to be in 657 00:27:27,034 --> 00:27:30,033 Speaker 4: your everyday wearable wardrobe, so they've got the space to 658 00:27:30,154 --> 00:27:32,154 Speaker 4: package them up and put them at the top of 659 00:27:32,194 --> 00:27:33,154 Speaker 4: the wardrobe somewhere. 660 00:27:33,274 --> 00:27:35,754 Speaker 2: That's okay. But the pieces that we do kind of 661 00:27:35,834 --> 00:27:36,394 Speaker 2: linger on too. 662 00:27:36,994 --> 00:27:39,914 Speaker 4: It's very unlikely that we would wear them again, and 663 00:27:40,954 --> 00:27:43,674 Speaker 4: it's more likely that once they are gone, whether be 664 00:27:43,834 --> 00:27:48,714 Speaker 4: donation or if they've just been worn through resale or yeah, 665 00:27:48,994 --> 00:27:51,554 Speaker 4: then I feel like you would not notice that they're 666 00:27:51,554 --> 00:27:54,833 Speaker 4: gone anyway. So true, but it is a hard thing 667 00:27:54,874 --> 00:27:56,754 Speaker 4: to do, and it's so time consuming and it is. 668 00:27:57,234 --> 00:27:59,914 Speaker 4: There's always those questions of will I wear this? So 669 00:27:59,994 --> 00:28:03,593 Speaker 4: going through considerations like coming back to your lifestyle, feeling, 670 00:28:03,674 --> 00:28:06,314 Speaker 4: and body again would be what I would do for 671 00:28:06,354 --> 00:28:06,874 Speaker 4: each individual. 672 00:28:06,914 --> 00:28:07,074 Speaker 2: Peace. 673 00:28:07,514 --> 00:28:09,874 Speaker 1: Okay, it's very clear that I need you to come 674 00:28:10,034 --> 00:28:12,474 Speaker 1: to my house and help me. No. I can hear 675 00:28:12,474 --> 00:28:15,194 Speaker 1: that you're very good at what you do, and I'm 676 00:28:15,194 --> 00:28:17,074 Speaker 1: definitely inspired to do a bit of a wardrobe clean 677 00:28:17,074 --> 00:28:17,834 Speaker 1: out of my own. 678 00:28:18,154 --> 00:28:18,794 Speaker 2: It feels good. 679 00:28:18,914 --> 00:28:29,754 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that it does. 680 00:28:30,754 --> 00:28:34,833 Speaker 2: It's very expensive. How wondre are these twenty five percent? 681 00:28:35,394 --> 00:28:37,874 Speaker 1: Okay, well, I'm feeling very inspired. I think we should 682 00:28:37,874 --> 00:28:40,794 Speaker 1: move into some shopping recommendations now, so let's do bougie 683 00:28:40,834 --> 00:28:42,594 Speaker 1: and budget. Do you want to kick us off with 684 00:28:42,754 --> 00:28:43,994 Speaker 1: your budget first? 685 00:28:44,234 --> 00:28:47,594 Speaker 4: My budget would be I'm going to use personal purchases 686 00:28:47,634 --> 00:28:50,474 Speaker 4: that I recently purchased. I was in Melbourne last week 687 00:28:50,514 --> 00:28:52,394 Speaker 4: and I went to the DFO. There was a bleeding 688 00:28:52,474 --> 00:28:54,514 Speaker 4: store and I bought two pairs of shoes for one 689 00:28:54,554 --> 00:28:56,074 Speaker 4: hundred dollars, so fifty dollars each. 690 00:28:56,274 --> 00:28:57,314 Speaker 2: One was a pair of. 691 00:28:57,274 --> 00:29:00,474 Speaker 4: White patent slip on mules with a small hill which 692 00:29:00,474 --> 00:29:02,994 Speaker 4: I'll wait for work. And I'm so excited about that love. 693 00:29:03,074 --> 00:29:04,274 Speaker 1: So are they an open toe? 694 00:29:04,394 --> 00:29:05,394 Speaker 2: Yeah, they open toe. 695 00:29:05,554 --> 00:29:07,794 Speaker 4: They kind of curve around your foot for anyone that 696 00:29:07,914 --> 00:29:10,674 Speaker 4: has wide feet or bunions or anything like that. 697 00:29:11,274 --> 00:29:11,914 Speaker 2: Really useful. 698 00:29:12,034 --> 00:29:13,994 Speaker 1: It's me I need that same. I'm a big fan 699 00:29:14,074 --> 00:29:16,954 Speaker 1: of Billini. Yeah, but like some great affordable shoes from there, 700 00:29:16,954 --> 00:29:19,154 Speaker 1: and they really stand up the all the ones I bought. 701 00:29:18,874 --> 00:29:21,914 Speaker 4: Have and they're non leather but actually amazing. I'm so 702 00:29:21,954 --> 00:29:23,554 Speaker 4: impressed by them too. And I also bought a pair 703 00:29:23,594 --> 00:29:25,954 Speaker 4: of sandals from there too that i'll slip on slides 704 00:29:26,034 --> 00:29:28,634 Speaker 4: that I will wear. I have worn many times already 705 00:29:28,634 --> 00:29:29,354 Speaker 4: in the last week. 706 00:29:29,474 --> 00:29:32,274 Speaker 1: Yeah. Great, that's good. A white shoe is a really 707 00:29:32,314 --> 00:29:35,234 Speaker 1: good choice. Like, I was surprised how much I wore. 708 00:29:35,394 --> 00:29:37,554 Speaker 1: I think I bought a pair of like quite affordable 709 00:29:37,594 --> 00:29:41,794 Speaker 1: Steve Madden white open toe mules with a kitten heel, 710 00:29:41,834 --> 00:29:43,154 Speaker 1: and I wear them all the time. 711 00:29:43,194 --> 00:29:45,034 Speaker 2: That sounds like the bliny ones that I thought. Yeaheah, 712 00:29:45,114 --> 00:29:45,674 Speaker 2: same kind of thing. 713 00:29:45,714 --> 00:29:48,834 Speaker 1: You bought the same shoes. So useful. We're basically best friends. Okay, 714 00:29:48,834 --> 00:29:49,914 Speaker 1: what about your bougie. 715 00:29:49,994 --> 00:29:52,434 Speaker 4: My bougie would be I'm really not a bougie person, 716 00:29:52,514 --> 00:29:55,114 Speaker 4: but it would be a leather jacket from All Saints 717 00:29:55,114 --> 00:29:56,994 Speaker 4: that I've seen for years. I think a couple of 718 00:29:56,994 --> 00:29:59,914 Speaker 4: clients have actually bought this. It's always available in David Jones, 719 00:29:59,914 --> 00:30:03,034 Speaker 4: all the iconic and it is a really soft weather 720 00:30:03,114 --> 00:30:06,594 Speaker 4: and it's only I think it's six hundred dollars thereabouts 721 00:30:06,634 --> 00:30:10,234 Speaker 4: full price, but it often goes on sale, and for 722 00:30:10,274 --> 00:30:11,674 Speaker 4: the quality and value of that. 723 00:30:11,594 --> 00:30:13,554 Speaker 2: Particular jacket, it is so good. 724 00:30:13,954 --> 00:30:15,994 Speaker 4: I haven't bought it yet because I just I haven't 725 00:30:16,034 --> 00:30:18,074 Speaker 4: needed to that that would be my beauty. 726 00:30:18,114 --> 00:30:19,954 Speaker 1: It sounds like you've been lurking it for it does. 727 00:30:20,074 --> 00:30:21,594 Speaker 2: Actually it sounds a little little. 728 00:30:21,394 --> 00:30:24,554 Speaker 1: Crazy, like like looking at it old boyfriend's Instagram or something. 729 00:30:24,594 --> 00:30:25,434 Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of is that. 730 00:30:25,594 --> 00:30:27,394 Speaker 1: What's the silhouette of the leather jacket. 731 00:30:27,474 --> 00:30:29,834 Speaker 4: It is a slightly cropped so it kind of sits 732 00:30:29,874 --> 00:30:32,554 Speaker 4: about about the belly button area, So for dresses, skirts, 733 00:30:32,714 --> 00:30:34,874 Speaker 4: all of those sorts of pieces, that's where I see 734 00:30:34,874 --> 00:30:36,034 Speaker 4: myself wearing that mainly. 735 00:30:36,594 --> 00:30:38,274 Speaker 2: And then it has a. 736 00:30:38,274 --> 00:30:41,594 Speaker 4: Slightly more nipped in waistline, so it's not it's not boxy, 737 00:30:41,634 --> 00:30:44,314 Speaker 4: it's not not oversized in any kind of extent. 738 00:30:44,354 --> 00:30:45,394 Speaker 2: It's actually quite fitted. 739 00:30:45,554 --> 00:30:49,754 Speaker 4: I would see this as a blazer vibe almost, so 740 00:30:49,794 --> 00:30:50,554 Speaker 4: I would wear this. 741 00:30:51,154 --> 00:30:53,034 Speaker 2: Where I would wear a blazer, I would probably option 742 00:30:53,114 --> 00:30:53,394 Speaker 2: for that. 743 00:30:53,514 --> 00:30:54,834 Speaker 1: Okay, I think you need to get it. 744 00:30:54,914 --> 00:30:55,514 Speaker 2: Yeah I do. 745 00:30:55,794 --> 00:30:57,554 Speaker 4: I feel like the next season that comes around that 746 00:30:57,674 --> 00:30:59,514 Speaker 4: is called so Winter in a few months, I think 747 00:30:59,554 --> 00:30:59,874 Speaker 4: that's what. 748 00:31:00,434 --> 00:31:02,554 Speaker 1: Yeah, you got, you got to drop the cash, you 749 00:31:02,594 --> 00:31:06,154 Speaker 1: got to invest. I do, Okay. So my budget is 750 00:31:06,434 --> 00:31:09,754 Speaker 1: a matching from an Australian brand that I love, Nude Lucy. 751 00:31:10,554 --> 00:31:14,234 Speaker 1: It's the Sutton tank and pant and it's they're coores, 752 00:31:14,234 --> 00:31:16,794 Speaker 1: but you can also wear them and style them separately. 753 00:31:16,914 --> 00:31:20,154 Speaker 1: And this set comes in like a beige cotton linen 754 00:31:20,194 --> 00:31:23,714 Speaker 1: blend and the tunic is like a long line sort 755 00:31:23,714 --> 00:31:26,834 Speaker 1: of tank. It's sleeveless, and then the pants sort of 756 00:31:26,954 --> 00:31:29,714 Speaker 1: echoes that same silhouette, so it's like a fluid quite 757 00:31:29,714 --> 00:31:33,354 Speaker 1: a fluid, not tight, not super wide leg, just the 758 00:31:33,434 --> 00:31:35,154 Speaker 1: kind of silhouette of pant that I like to wear. 759 00:31:35,154 --> 00:31:37,594 Speaker 1: I'm wearing a similar one today in a crochet knit. 760 00:31:37,794 --> 00:31:40,714 Speaker 1: And I actually bought these pants in black like over 761 00:31:40,754 --> 00:31:42,794 Speaker 1: a year ago, maybe almost two years ago, and I'm 762 00:31:42,834 --> 00:31:45,394 Speaker 1: so glad that they've reissued them in different colors because 763 00:31:45,394 --> 00:31:47,314 Speaker 1: I will be buying them in the beige. They also 764 00:31:47,354 --> 00:31:49,714 Speaker 1: come in white, but I love this like kind of 765 00:31:49,754 --> 00:31:50,994 Speaker 1: flaxy linity color. 766 00:31:51,394 --> 00:31:53,874 Speaker 4: Yeah, I love nude Lucy. They do awesome sets, and 767 00:31:53,874 --> 00:31:56,834 Speaker 4: their quality is good. Their price point is nice. Yeah, 768 00:31:56,994 --> 00:31:58,954 Speaker 4: that sounds like a very U kind of outfit is 769 00:31:59,154 --> 00:31:59,994 Speaker 4: very it's. 770 00:31:59,914 --> 00:32:03,194 Speaker 1: Actually wearing a beautiful Yeah, and the tunic is seventy 771 00:32:03,274 --> 00:32:05,274 Speaker 1: dollars and the pant is one hundred, So like, I 772 00:32:05,314 --> 00:32:07,674 Speaker 1: think that's pretty reasonable pricing for what they're kind of 773 00:32:07,714 --> 00:32:08,594 Speaker 1: where I'm going to get out. 774 00:32:08,634 --> 00:32:10,914 Speaker 4: Yeah, especially being a set to or a coored I 775 00:32:10,954 --> 00:32:14,274 Speaker 4: think when there's that option of wearing things together, clearly 776 00:32:14,314 --> 00:32:14,834 Speaker 4: I like that too. 777 00:32:14,914 --> 00:32:16,994 Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got a cord on today. Very cool. It's 778 00:32:17,074 --> 00:32:19,594 Speaker 1: kind of like a green strike. Actually, why don't you 779 00:32:19,674 --> 00:32:21,794 Speaker 1: share for listeners, like what you're wearing today? Because I 780 00:32:21,834 --> 00:32:22,594 Speaker 1: love your out here. 781 00:32:22,634 --> 00:32:24,914 Speaker 4: So it is a cold They are elastic flowy pants 782 00:32:25,314 --> 00:32:28,474 Speaker 4: with a top that is matching. Naturally, it's got a 783 00:32:28,474 --> 00:32:29,994 Speaker 4: bit of a bit of a cow neck, I'd say 784 00:32:29,994 --> 00:32:32,674 Speaker 4: to it, adjustable straps and I kind of do a 785 00:32:32,714 --> 00:32:34,794 Speaker 4: little bandenta tie so that it has a little bit 786 00:32:34,794 --> 00:32:36,994 Speaker 4: more waistline definition. Otherwise you can wear it long. But 787 00:32:36,994 --> 00:32:38,634 Speaker 4: I feel like that's a bit too boxy. 788 00:32:38,274 --> 00:32:39,994 Speaker 1: On what's a bandana type backtrack? 789 00:32:40,114 --> 00:32:42,394 Speaker 4: Like a little it's got like a little T shape 790 00:32:42,434 --> 00:32:44,434 Speaker 4: with a tie and the waist so it had some 791 00:32:44,474 --> 00:32:46,594 Speaker 4: shape through my waistline, which I always do. 792 00:32:47,034 --> 00:32:48,794 Speaker 2: And then I've chosen a color in this. 793 00:32:48,834 --> 00:32:51,394 Speaker 4: That's like an olive green or pistachio green with a 794 00:32:51,394 --> 00:32:54,034 Speaker 4: cream base. Yeah, so I love wearing this kind of color. 795 00:32:54,034 --> 00:32:57,034 Speaker 4: It always makes me feel calm and pretty relaxed. Actually, 796 00:32:57,154 --> 00:33:00,394 Speaker 4: and yeah, I always have sets in my wardrobe. 797 00:33:00,554 --> 00:33:02,114 Speaker 2: It's like one go to thing that. 798 00:33:02,274 --> 00:33:04,914 Speaker 1: It's so easy to get dressed, isn't it so since 799 00:33:04,954 --> 00:33:08,594 Speaker 1: I started buying sets, since they came into like into popularity, 800 00:33:08,634 --> 00:33:11,114 Speaker 1: I really struggle to get dressed when I don't where 801 00:33:11,114 --> 00:33:11,994 Speaker 1: the things don't match. 802 00:33:12,114 --> 00:33:13,434 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, too easy. 803 00:33:13,514 --> 00:33:16,034 Speaker 1: Extra thoughts, Well, I love it. You look amazing. We'll 804 00:33:16,074 --> 00:33:18,874 Speaker 1: have to get a pick for the socials, my bougie. Today, 805 00:33:19,074 --> 00:33:23,514 Speaker 1: I have found the perfect elevated mini bag for day 806 00:33:23,554 --> 00:33:26,514 Speaker 1: to day or for evening. It's the Tea Lock Mini 807 00:33:26,594 --> 00:33:29,834 Speaker 1: calf hair clutch by Totem. Do you know this brand? 808 00:33:30,074 --> 00:33:32,074 Speaker 1: I know the brand, I don't know the item, yes, 809 00:33:32,234 --> 00:33:35,474 Speaker 1: so it like sits quite up. No, it's got a 810 00:33:35,474 --> 00:33:38,074 Speaker 1: long strap actually, and it's a mini bag, so it's 811 00:33:38,074 --> 00:33:41,434 Speaker 1: this let me explain, it's like this slouchy but structured. 812 00:33:41,514 --> 00:33:43,034 Speaker 1: You know, we're sort of seeing that style of bag 813 00:33:43,074 --> 00:33:46,314 Speaker 1: now where the front flap is kind of a bit unstructured. 814 00:33:46,354 --> 00:33:49,514 Speaker 1: It's boxes they used to be. I feel like we 815 00:33:49,594 --> 00:33:51,434 Speaker 1: used to have very boxy mini bags and now they're 816 00:33:51,434 --> 00:33:53,714 Speaker 1: a bit more, a bit more sort of loose. And 817 00:33:53,874 --> 00:33:56,634 Speaker 1: it comes in black calf hair, so it's got that 818 00:33:56,714 --> 00:33:59,354 Speaker 1: element of texture that I love and this great gold 819 00:33:59,514 --> 00:34:02,594 Speaker 1: like statement tea buckle which tells you, you know, it's 820 00:34:02,714 --> 00:34:04,514 Speaker 1: like without having a logo, it tells you it's a 821 00:34:04,554 --> 00:34:07,114 Speaker 1: Totem bag. I'm a really really big fan of this brand, 822 00:34:07,154 --> 00:34:10,154 Speaker 1: and they do like really good minimal leather goods and 823 00:34:10,194 --> 00:34:13,473 Speaker 1: accessories that are you know, there's still definitely an investment, 824 00:34:13,514 --> 00:34:16,634 Speaker 1: Like it's not cheap, but it's not like crazy outlandish 825 00:34:16,674 --> 00:34:17,994 Speaker 1: luxury prices as well. 826 00:34:18,074 --> 00:34:18,754 Speaker 2: That is so cool. 827 00:34:18,794 --> 00:34:21,473 Speaker 1: So this bag, yeah, yeah, no, do have a look. 828 00:34:21,514 --> 00:34:24,953 Speaker 1: It's on Netaporter and it's fourteen eighty five, So, like 829 00:34:24,954 --> 00:34:27,834 Speaker 1: I said, not cheap, definitely in the area of investment, 830 00:34:27,874 --> 00:34:29,674 Speaker 1: but I think it's something that i'd use every day. 831 00:34:29,874 --> 00:34:31,714 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that it's got a bit of slouchiness 832 00:34:31,714 --> 00:34:32,194 Speaker 2: to it too. 833 00:34:32,314 --> 00:34:34,434 Speaker 4: Yeah, that adds some softness and that kind of easy, 834 00:34:34,594 --> 00:34:36,274 Speaker 4: more casual exactly. 835 00:34:35,874 --> 00:34:40,154 Speaker 1: What you think validating there. Yeah, so that one's in 836 00:34:40,194 --> 00:34:41,274 Speaker 1: my cart, but I have not. 837 00:34:41,194 --> 00:34:42,874 Speaker 2: Pulled the trigger yet. I think you should. 838 00:34:43,354 --> 00:34:45,234 Speaker 1: Well, that's all we have time for, but thank you 839 00:34:45,274 --> 00:34:47,154 Speaker 1: so much for joining us. I have learned so much, 840 00:34:47,154 --> 00:34:48,674 Speaker 1: and I'm sure that our listeners have got a lot 841 00:34:48,714 --> 00:34:50,354 Speaker 1: of great tips from you as well, Hayley, so we'll 842 00:34:50,394 --> 00:34:51,194 Speaker 1: have to have you back. 843 00:34:51,314 --> 00:34:53,634 Speaker 2: Thank you. It's been really nice doing this. Thank you 844 00:34:53,634 --> 00:34:54,274 Speaker 2: for inviting me. 845 00:34:54,394 --> 00:34:57,834 Speaker 1: Of course, that's all we have time for today. Thank 846 00:34:57,874 --> 00:34:59,953 Speaker 1: you so much for listening to Nothing to Wear. 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