Speaker 1: You can still fall back on what you're doing now.
Speaker 1: You don't have to quit everything to start a new thing.
Speaker 1: Just think to yourself, there is something that I might
Speaker 1: be doing in eighteen months time that I haven't even
Speaker 1: thought of yet. If I had the idea and I
Speaker 1: followed through and the pieces start to fall together, maybe
Speaker 1: my life will look completely different in eighteen months time
Speaker 1: for the better.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sees the YA Podcast. Busy and happy
Speaker 2: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what
Speaker 2: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but
Speaker 2: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than
Speaker 2: one way. So this is a platform to hear and
Speaker 2: explore the stories.
Speaker 3: Of those who found lives They adore, the good, bad
Speaker 3: and ugly.
Speaker 2: The best and worst day will bear all the facets
Speaker 2: of seizing your yay. I'm Sarah Davidson or a spoonful
Speaker 2: of Sarah, a lawyer turned unentrepreneurs. WP The Suits and
Speaker 2: Heels to kofa matcha Maiden and matcha milkbar CZA is
Speaker 2: a series of conversations on finding a life you love
Speaker 2: and exploring the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 3: Lovely yighborhood.
Speaker 2: Few things feel as special as absolutely frothing one of
Speaker 2: our guests and everything they do, then hearing that they've
Speaker 2: actually been listening to the podcast themselves for years. And
Speaker 2: I feel even more privileged to have today's guest on
Speaker 2: the show because she doesn't do them very often, and
Speaker 2: in fact, didn't even reveal herself as the founder of
Speaker 2: her business until eight months after its explosive launch onto
Speaker 2: the scene. That's just one of the many examples of
Speaker 2: Samantha Brett blazing her own trail. I found this chat
Speaker 2: such an invigorating reminder that someone else out there is
Speaker 2: always looking for exactly what you have to offer, even
Speaker 2: if it doesn't already exist or nobody else is doing it.
Speaker 2: And it turns out all of us were looking for
Speaker 2: and needing exactly what she has to offer with her
Speaker 2: award winning world leading Naked Sunday's SPF skincare. If you're
Speaker 2: in the demographic of this podcast, you've probably already heard
Speaker 2: of Naked Sundays, But if not, it'll change your life
Speaker 2: or at the very least, your skin. In a country
Speaker 2: where melanoma rates are among the highest in the world,
Speaker 2: Samantha has changed the way the most at risk but
Speaker 2: most reluctant demographic millennials, relates to SPF creating world first,
Speaker 2: high performance, multipurpose chemist formulated products. She explains them best herself,
Speaker 2: and as you'll hear, I cannot rave more about these products.
Speaker 2: But imagine sunscreen without the whiteness, stickiness, and clogging of
Speaker 2: the skin that have traditionally made sun protection difficult or
Speaker 2: uncomfortable for our skin. And I cannot not mention her
Speaker 2: hydrating glow miss that allows you to reapply on top
Speaker 2: of your makeup invisibly while setting that makeup and not
Speaker 2: interrupting it. And this has all happened only recently, with
Speaker 2: an entire career in news reporting and column writing. Beforehand
Speaker 2: talk about apath Ya, I'll stop before I gush too much,
Speaker 2: but I hope you are all as blown away by
Speaker 2: this one as I am.
Speaker 3: Samantha. Welcome to Cca.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Sarah. I'm very excited to be here. I
Speaker 1: remember when I first launched, Actually I contacted you and said,
Speaker 1: do you want to try some sunscreen?
Speaker 3: I actually remember that was that you.
Speaker 1: Yes, I do everything I do all the socials. Well
Speaker 1: I have help now, but yes, it is me that
Speaker 1: you are talking to on Instagram.
Speaker 2: Isn't that the funniest thing about starting a business that
Speaker 2: you know, in the early days you kind of refer
Speaker 2: to like us and we and the team and it's
Speaker 2: just you by yourself, pretending to change hats in between conversations,
Speaker 2: and everyone's like, you know, I totally thought I was
Speaker 2: speaking to your like marketing manager or like head of
Speaker 2: digital and you're like, no, no, well you were, but
Speaker 2: it was me.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, I was all those things, that's right.
Speaker 2: And you have come, I mean, such an enormous distance,
Speaker 2: achieving so much in such a short amount of time,
Speaker 2: which I can't wait to get into. But as you
Speaker 2: may already know, I kick off every episode by asking
Speaker 2: everyone what the most down to earth thing is about them,
Speaker 2: and the fact that it's you doing all the jobs
Speaker 2: is probably one of them. But to anyone else from
Speaker 2: the outside, I mean, Naked Sundays appears like this massive,
Speaker 2: well established brand. You would have no idea that it
Speaker 2: was so new and that you know, this was such
Speaker 2: a recent chapter of your life. So for those who
Speaker 2: have only seen the very beautiful, glossy and holographic kind
Speaker 2: of exterior, what's something really normal about you?
Speaker 1: Well, I think I've been on the news for over
Speaker 1: ten years, and I don't think people actually realized that.
Speaker 1: You know, I would get up at three o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning. I would sleep with half my eye makeup,
Speaker 1: and I would sleep with my hands out and my
Speaker 1: face facing forward. And then I would get up and
Speaker 1: at three o'clock in the morning, you don't want to
Speaker 1: do your makeup. You don't want to do anything. So
Speaker 1: I would just go. I would just put on the
Speaker 1: rest of my makeup, be on air, look immaculate. And
Speaker 1: I don't anyone realized there's no auto cue, so I
Speaker 1: had to remember all my lines off my heart. And
Speaker 1: I think I've just taken that with me now as
Speaker 1: a CEO and a boss and running a team and
Speaker 1: running a big business. I just take that with me,
Speaker 1: and you know, I get ready. It's if I have
Speaker 1: to take more than thirty seconds in the morning. There's
Speaker 1: something wrong once a week head and that's it, and
Speaker 1: then it's good to go, and you know, get I
Speaker 1: won't say I wear the same makeup every day, but
Speaker 1: you know, I'll get like maybe lashes every every month,
Speaker 1: and then that's it. You know, there's like put a
Speaker 1: bit of blush, sunscreen, and then you're off. And I
Speaker 1: just think people think I'm one of those people who
Speaker 1: take hours and do my makeup and do my skin
Speaker 1: care routine. No, no, no, And that's part of the
Speaker 1: philosophy of naked Sundays as well. Everything's multitasking because I
Speaker 1: am the quickest person in the morning. Don't spend long.
Speaker 1: My husband spends longer than I do.
Speaker 3: Oh, I love that so much.
Speaker 2: That is definitely something that I've noticed as I've kind of,
Speaker 2: you know, had more exposure to TV and the news,
Speaker 2: and like, from the outside, you really do think that
Speaker 2: it's a so glamorous, but b that journos and newsreaders
Speaker 2: just turn up and there's paper and you just kind
Speaker 2: of read off the paper, Like I just totally assume
Speaker 2: that you're a mouthpiece for kind of some story that
Speaker 2: I don't know someone else has written, like the Fairies
Speaker 2: in the Sky. But you actually have to do all
Speaker 2: that and you have to get up at that time
Speaker 2: in the morning. And yet like I had no idea
Speaker 2: you didn't have auto Q either.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I was watching some of my stories because
Speaker 1: Channel seven actually did a story on me recently and
Speaker 1: they put some of my clips up and walking for
Speaker 1: about two minutes about really important facts. I was out
Speaker 1: at the bushfires and I was rattling off, you know,
Speaker 1: how many homes were lost and exactly what happened and
Speaker 1: where the fires, like what parts of New South Wales
Speaker 1: the fires ravage, And I'm thinking there was no paper
Speaker 1: in my hand, no autoque, and I was thinking people
Speaker 1: are looking at that at home and they have said
Speaker 1: to me, oh, you have an auto Q you're out there.
Speaker 1: I couldn't even believe I was wearing makeup. I remember
Speaker 1: sleeping on the floor where the bushfires happened for a
Speaker 1: couple of days with no makeup, nothing with me, no
Speaker 1: pieces of paper, no auto queue. But being on the
Speaker 1: ground and being in one of those situations, I think
Speaker 1: your mind. I feel like it's a muscle that you
Speaker 1: can learn how to say facts and figures in a
Speaker 1: really concise, interesting and cohesive way. It's a muscle, you know.
Speaker 1: It's just you learn how to do that. And I
Speaker 1: guess over the ten years that I was doing live
Speaker 1: television every single day, I learned how to do it,
Speaker 1: but no one would have any idea that. I looked
Speaker 1: at it now and I think, oh my god, how
Speaker 1: did I remember all of that? But no one would
Speaker 1: have any idea that that was stuff that I just
Speaker 1: learned just then I just arrived at the scene and
Speaker 1: that I had to say it.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, well that already.
Speaker 2: I mean the fact that firstly, the full circle your
Speaker 2: career has gone from presenting on Channel seven to then
Speaker 2: having your business featured is so exciting, so excited to
Speaker 2: get into that. But also that's so down to earth.
Speaker 2: I mean, the fact that you've had this entire career,
Speaker 2: but also that behind the scenes of what you see
Speaker 2: look so presented, but there's always a story behind the
Speaker 2: scenes where there's a journal slipping on.
Speaker 3: The floor or like, you know, I think it's just
Speaker 3: this is why.
Speaker 2: I love this show so much, because you do get
Speaker 2: to hear a little bit more of the stuff that
Speaker 2: you don't often see. And remember, there's so much that
Speaker 2: goes on behind the scenes.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: We walk into people's lives now and think they've got
Speaker 2: it all together. Everything was always easy. They woke up
Speaker 2: one day and knew what they wanted to do. But
Speaker 2: it's just not the case for anybody. So what I
Speaker 2: would love to kick off with is your way to
Speaker 2: yay like how you actually you know, people looking at
Speaker 2: you now would assume it was always beauty. You had
Speaker 2: some kind of expertise or linked to the industry. You
Speaker 2: always knew you wanted to be a business woman, but
Speaker 2: you had a whole career before this and before that.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure you had many other ideas of
Speaker 2: where you thought your life would go. So take us
Speaker 2: back to very young you, to childhood. You you know,
Speaker 2: your first jobs, what you thought you wanted to be,
Speaker 2: what were your big dreams.
Speaker 1: So when I finished school the day Inish school, I
Speaker 1: walked into work experience at a newsroom the next day,
Speaker 1: finished on the Friday, walked in on the Monday, and
Speaker 1: I just really loved and thrived off breaking news and
Speaker 1: being in a news environment. I just loved it. And
Speaker 1: then I was at union. I heard that you could
Speaker 1: do an internship only in the US. You couldn't really
Speaker 1: do one here in Australia, but you could really get
Speaker 1: your teeth into it. So I applied for CNN, CBS,
Speaker 1: Fox News anyway, didn't hear anything back for six months,
Speaker 1: and then suddenly I got all three and CNN was
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, CBS was somewhere else, but Fox News was
Speaker 1: in New York and was right in the center of Manhattan,
Speaker 1: and I just thought, I've never been to New York.
Speaker 1: I've never even been to America. I was nineteen years old,
Speaker 1: and I thought, this is something I'm going to do.
Speaker 1: So I moved to New York and you can do
Speaker 1: a full time internship then get your university credits. And
Speaker 1: I just loved it. Oh, Sarah, I was living in Manhattan.
Speaker 1: I was living the life. First time I'd lived out
Speaker 1: of home, living in an apartment in downtow and going
Speaker 1: into the center of Manhattan every single day. And it
Speaker 1: didn't matter that I worked at Fox News or you know.
Speaker 1: I wasn't involved in the politics. I was involved in
Speaker 1: how a newsroom works, at getting news on the air.
Speaker 1: The politics side was very interesting, but not something that
Speaker 1: I delved in. In Australians, we don't really.
Speaker 3: Get about it.
Speaker 1: That's so I was happy to eat the free bagels
Speaker 1: on Level two every morning and the free hot chocolate.
Speaker 1: They gave you free food every day. It was amazing.
Speaker 3: My god, life goals.
Speaker 1: While I was there. This is interesting everyone, despite the
Speaker 1: fact we were right in the middle of an election,
Speaker 1: everyone was only talking about their own relationships when they
Speaker 1: weren't working, and I thought, wow, Sex and the City
Speaker 1: was so big back then. Sorry, I'm showing my age.
Speaker 1: I thought, what a cool way to bring in my
Speaker 1: journalism and the things I love. And I was reading
Speaker 1: the news back home every day online and I thought,
Speaker 1: what about if I could write a Sex and the
Speaker 1: City type column back home in Australia online though there
Speaker 1: was no such thing as blogs. Can you believe it?
Speaker 1: And make it interactive? And so I pitched it to
Speaker 1: the Sydney Morning Herald. I called them from New York.
Speaker 1: I was twenty nineteen twenty and they said no anyway.
Speaker 1: I pitched them every week every month for about a year,
Speaker 1: and eventually they called me and they said, all right,
Speaker 1: you can start on Monday. Just stop calling us. So
Speaker 1: I started Sam in the City. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you remember it, but it was probably before your time,
Speaker 1: and it was the very first news blog. It was
Speaker 1: in the Cydney Morning Herald in the age and I
Speaker 1: did it for six years and it became the number
Speaker 1: one column, number one blog in the country, one awards.
Speaker 1: We had one hundred thousand readers a day, hundreds of comments.
Speaker 1: People through the column. Yeah, they met, they fell in love,
Speaker 1: they got married. So I was able to do that
Speaker 1: and so that taught me how to build a community
Speaker 1: from scratch and I love that I thrived on that.
Speaker 1: But of course I was in a very glamorous life
Speaker 1: and it really was like sex and the City. I
Speaker 1: came back to Australia, went to Red Cup. It's hosted events,
Speaker 1: it wrote seven books. I know you've just written an amazing,
Speaker 1: amazing book. Wrote seven on dating and just living this
Speaker 1: glam life. And then my own relationship kind of faltered
Speaker 1: and I thought, I can't do this anymore. I want
Speaker 1: to get back to news, what I love, and so
Speaker 1: I quit that job and I moved to the country
Speaker 1: where you have to if you want to start as
Speaker 1: a news reporter, you have to go to the country.
Speaker 1: So moved to the country by myself, so New South Wales,
Speaker 1: rural Wogger Orange. Then I moved to hope Art by myself.
Speaker 1: I filmed my own news stories, edited, did Live Crosses
Speaker 1: film myself during Live Crosses got the attention of CNN
Speaker 1: and CBS while I was in Hobart because of a
Speaker 1: big international story which I won't go into, and then
Speaker 1: eventually got a job offer at Channel seven in Sydney,
Speaker 1: and so I moved back to Sydney and my dream
Speaker 1: was filmed Sunrise and I got onto Sunrise and I
Speaker 1: was the Sydney reporter for multiple years. Gosh, really showing my.
Speaker 3: Age here yet at all.
Speaker 2: I mean, if this is not an ad for using
Speaker 2: naked Sundays on your face, I don't know what is.
Speaker 1: Thank you. So just was living my dream reporter for
Speaker 1: Sunrise and I did that for over seven years. I
Speaker 1: was at Channel seven on Sunrise every single day, so
Speaker 1: as I said, waking up at three o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 1: working till sometimes ten o'clock at night. We had a
Speaker 1: late night show and being at the forefront of every
Speaker 1: breaking news story for seven years straight is it's incredible.
Speaker 1: It's taxing. You're with people on the best days of
Speaker 1: their lives and the worst days of their lives. You're
Speaker 1: the first person on the scene most of the time,
Speaker 1: and you learn all these quite incredible skills, and you
Speaker 1: meet extraordinary people, and you hear extraordinary stories, and you're
Speaker 1: telling their stories every day. So then COVID hits and
Speaker 1: it's a whole different ballgame because not only are you
Speaker 1: now speaking to people that are dealing with COVID and
Speaker 1: are losing loved ones, And there was a lot of
Speaker 1: death at the time, and the big story was the
Speaker 1: aged care homes and the death. But you're fearing for
Speaker 1: your own life because no one knew what COVID was
Speaker 1: or what it would become, and so you're fearing, do
Speaker 1: what am I going to get exposed by being out
Speaker 1: in these hot spots every day? Anyway? So that was
Speaker 1: that was the time. What a time to be alive,
Speaker 1: What a time to be alive? As a news report
Speaker 1: at three o'clock in the morning, when there's an outbreak
Speaker 1: and you're there, you're in the outbreak, You're standing there,
Speaker 1: You're interviewing people who hon a lad out of their
Speaker 1: homes or who may have lost a loved one, and
Speaker 1: you're just thinking, I don't know if I can continue
Speaker 1: on like this, and I have a five year old daughter,
Speaker 1: and it just got it got a lot. That's my story.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean before we even get to the chapter
Speaker 2: where a lot of people you meet you now and
Speaker 2: probably assume that that's always where you intended to go,
Speaker 2: You've already kind of you know, expressed dreams for yourself
Speaker 2: and hit them, which is a a really interesting experience
Speaker 2: to hit, you know, relive your dream life quite early
Speaker 2: in your life and then kind of well what do
Speaker 2: I do next?
Speaker 3: But also it sounds.
Speaker 2: Like you've put yourself out there for a lot of
Speaker 2: things that seemed really big and scary, like to go
Speaker 2: from here straight to the epicenter of news in the
Speaker 2: US as your internship, that's you know, at the end
Speaker 2: of a lot of people, much further into a lot
Speaker 2: of people's careers than the very beginning. Then to sort
Speaker 2: of set your sights on sunrise, and you know, how
Speaker 2: did you put yourself out there for those things that
Speaker 2: are scary and big and then pitching a column and
Speaker 2: just not taking no for an answer, Like before we
Speaker 2: even got to this chapter, you've already kind of covered rejection,
Speaker 2: self doubt, like change, the fact that you've already made
Speaker 2: quite a few changes. When the column you know, suited you,
Speaker 2: you did it, but then when it started to not
Speaker 2: suit you anymore, you shifted to a new chapter. And
Speaker 2: that's very much.
Speaker 3: What this path Yay section is about, is that there
Speaker 3: are lots of different dots that connect. They don't all last.
Speaker 2: Forever, They're not supposed to you're meant to chop and
Speaker 2: change and try new things. But it sounds probably easier
Speaker 2: than I'm sure it was. So how did you put
Speaker 2: yourself out there for the those opportunities?
Speaker 1: So you absolutely hit the nail on the head there, Sarah,
Speaker 1: this is exactly what I love to tell people. So
Speaker 1: when I quit the column, my entire identity was wrapped
Speaker 1: up in that. You know, my books and my life
Speaker 1: and my friends and my job, and everyone knew me.
Speaker 1: I would go into the street, they'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I read your column today, and I was on radio
Speaker 1: and TV every day. And to let that go, knowing
Speaker 1: in my heart that I didn't want to do it anymore.
Speaker 1: I wanted to do something else. Was extremely difficult, and
Speaker 1: it took so much out of me to do that.
Speaker 1: But once you do it once, then it makes it
Speaker 1: easier the next time. So as you're saying, my dream
Speaker 1: was to be on Sunrise, and then can you imagine
Speaker 1: the day where I said, Okay, I'm no longer doing Sunrise.
Speaker 1: I'm now going to focus on Naked Sundays. But I
Speaker 1: kept saying to myself, remember the time you did that,
Speaker 1: when you had the column and you moved into news
Speaker 1: and everything was okay. The walls didn't fall in, the
Speaker 1: sky didn't fall in. Everyone continued with their lives. No
Speaker 1: one really cared. And I now say to people when
Speaker 1: they ask me advice, it's your life, and you need
Speaker 1: to wake up every day and love what you do
Speaker 1: and be happy with doing it. Otherwise there's no point
Speaker 1: in doing it anymore. The fear for me now is
Speaker 1: continuing to do that life that you don't love anymore. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's more of a fear that is so powerful.
Speaker 2: I think when we are overcome by a fear of uncertainty,
Speaker 2: or fear of change, or fear of failure, or fear
Speaker 2: of all those things, we also don't take into account
Speaker 2: that there's other you know, what are you more scared of?
Speaker 2: Are you scared of failing or are you scared of
Speaker 2: never trying? Like we often don't think of what it's
Speaker 2: costing you to let self doubt or to let imposter
Speaker 2: syndrome kind of, you know, take those dreams away from
Speaker 2: you. You don't look at the cost of that because you
Speaker 2: just you're so overcome by like, oh my god, what
Speaker 2: if it goes wrong?
Speaker 3: But what if it goes right?
Speaker 2: And what if you never knew that it could go right,
Speaker 2: you know. And I love that idea as well, that
Speaker 2: the more you practice the sort of art of reinventing
Speaker 2: yourself and realizing no one noticed most of the time,
Speaker 2: but also that you're much more capable than you ever imagine,
Speaker 2: then the next time you're like, oh, well, I've got
Speaker 2: empirical evidence that I survived at last time, so.
Speaker 3: Then I can do it again, Like why would you not?
Speaker 2: Why would you not evolve and grow into different chapters.
Speaker 2: And it does involve letting go of something that was
Speaker 2: your entire identity, but it also makes room for a new.
Speaker 1: One that's exactly right. It makes room for a new
Speaker 1: one that's one hundred percent. And you only need to
Speaker 1: do it once to know that it's not that scary.
Speaker 1: But the first time, I will admit it was very
Speaker 1: scary petrified.
Speaker 2: I also think it's sometimes it doesn't hit you across
Speaker 2: the face, you know, like sometimes being unhappy, not unhappy,
Speaker 2: but just being in a situation that was once your
Speaker 2: dream and still enjoying it and still having lots of
Speaker 2: benefits and being able to tick a lot of boxes
Speaker 2: with that seven years in to your life at sunrise,
Speaker 2: it's very easy to just think, Okay, I wished for
Speaker 2: this for so long I couldn't ever throw it away,
Speaker 2: And you might never get to the point of being like,
Speaker 2: I'm desperately unhappy here, I need to leave. But it's
Speaker 2: okay to leave. Before it gets to that. I think
Speaker 2: people feel like before they'll make a change in their life,
Speaker 2: they have to be really desperately unhappy or inconvenienced, or
Speaker 2: face some major discomfort. But you can also get to
Speaker 2: a place where you're just not growing anymore, or where
Speaker 2: you're ready for the next challenge. So what was it
Speaker 2: for you where you realized, you know, I've done this
Speaker 2: for seven years and it's been amazing. How do you
Speaker 2: know when you're on the cusp of another big change?
Speaker 3: So mac a round, Well that's a great side.
Speaker 1: And asked to stock naked Sundays and it was a
Speaker 1: very easy decision. After that, I didn't tell anyone that
Speaker 1: it was me that had created it. So I was.
Speaker 1: I was a news reporter. I was out in the sun.
Speaker 1: A couple of my colleagues they would come into work
Speaker 1: and I remember distinctly one of them had a big
Speaker 1: cut across his face and he had a skin can
Speaker 1: to cut out, and then one of my other colleagues
Speaker 1: had a massive skin can to cut out the top
Speaker 1: of her hat, and it just got me thinking, oh, am,
Speaker 1: I way on sunscreen when I'm out there all day
Speaker 1: in the blazing sun reporting with a full face and
Speaker 1: make up. Well, yeah, I put it on at three
Speaker 1: in the morning, but that's not going to last. And
Speaker 1: so I thought, okay, well maybe I can just top
Speaker 1: it up. And then I thought, well, hang on, how
Speaker 1: do I top up sunscreen? You can't. It's white, it's sticky,
Speaker 1: it's oily, it's greasy. And then I've got the TV
Speaker 1: lights on my face. So anything that reflects white cast
Speaker 1: or oil or even glowy sunscreen just wouldn't have worked.
Speaker 1: And so I thought to myself, well, why isn't anything
Speaker 1: out there? WHATMS if I create it? And so it
Speaker 1: took about two years. I came up with something the
Speaker 1: hydrating glow missed finally, after years of iterations and people
Speaker 1: telling me it couldn't be done. And it's a spray
Speaker 1: to spray over your makeup when you're out and about.
Speaker 1: It's not greasy, it's not oily, it's got healeronic asid
Speaker 1: vitamin see it's good for your skin and it also
Speaker 1: sets your makeup. And so I launched it not telling
Speaker 1: a single person that it was me. Took some money
Speaker 1: out of our mortgage, my husband and I. We just
Speaker 1: put it out there. We asked two influences to post
Speaker 1: about it, and it completely blew up like wildfire. And
Speaker 1: so so in the first three weeks we completely sold out,
Speaker 1: and then we had no more money to create more products.
Speaker 1: But we got over that. But people were saying, not
Speaker 1: I want this product, they were saying I need it.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, where has this been all my life?
Speaker 1: This is something I need. And so to your point,
Speaker 1: that started to trickle through and COVID. That was the
Speaker 1: year of COVID last twenty twenty one, and COVID started
Speaker 1: to get worse and worse, and my reporting life started
Speaker 1: to get less fun. I just wasn't enjoying it. It
Speaker 1: was hard. It was it was taxing emotionally, personally, physically.
Speaker 1: It was just taxing. And I when you ask a
Speaker 1: reporter how they cope, we go to the fire and
Speaker 1: the flood, we're there. You know, there was an awful
Speaker 1: terror attack in Indonesia and I flew there. I went
Speaker 1: there you know, you go to those things, that's where
Speaker 1: you need to be. You need to be on the
Speaker 1: ground on the breaking news. But when the breaking news
Speaker 1: story unfolds and it becomes a safety issue for you
Speaker 1: and your own family and your child, you know, her
Speaker 1: daycare had shut down. Like all of that stuff happened,
Speaker 1: it became no longer something that I found not fun
Speaker 1: might be the wrong word, but fulfilling. It was no
Speaker 1: longer fulfilling. It was scary. It was scary. So I'd
Speaker 1: go home from work and I'd work on as you say,
Speaker 1: holographic lilag fun skincare saving people's lives as sunscreen. And
Speaker 1: then you know, I'd go to this job where it
Speaker 1: was just so taxing. And then, as I said, Mecha
Speaker 1: wanted to stock us and they wanted to a profile
Speaker 1: piece on me, and no one knew it was me.
Speaker 1: For eight months, I didn't tell anyone that wanted the
Speaker 1: products to speak for themselves. And then I thought, it's Mecca,
Speaker 1: it's a dream. How can I say no? And I
Speaker 1: took a month off work and to really decide what
Speaker 1: I wanted to do, and then seven was so understanding.
Speaker 1: I always told them, you know, I have this amazing
Speaker 1: thought in my head to change the way millennials use
Speaker 1: sunscreen and save more people's lives. And they understood that
Speaker 1: when I told them, and so when I decided to quit,
Speaker 1: they were super understanding. And you know, surely no one
Speaker 1: buys sunscreen in winter. You can come back.
Speaker 3: Next to your right Little did they know.
Speaker 1: Little did they know that being a CEO's a year
Speaker 1: long thing. You don't just stop for a couple of months.
Speaker 1: And you know, I got to that point where it
Speaker 1: was scary. Will I will admit, I mean, this is
Speaker 1: a job I love. I still identify myself as a
Speaker 1: news re border. It's just in me. I love it.
Speaker 1: I am obsessed with news. I love live television. It
Speaker 1: just it gets me up in the morning. I would
Speaker 1: bounce out of bed at three o'clock in the morning
Speaker 1: every day. And I think you'll ever meet someone that
Speaker 1: did that. And they saw me as that, and they
Speaker 1: knew to rely on me. And I never missed a
Speaker 1: day of work, and you know, breaking news, and I
Speaker 1: was there and fireflood, whatever it was like. I was
Speaker 1: in my raincoat and in the rain and in the snow.
Speaker 1: It didn't matter. I was there and I am obsessed
Speaker 1: with it, and you know, I've just transferred that passion
Speaker 1: into Naked Sundays now. Because the minute I realized that
Speaker 1: people were saying they needed this product, not that they
Speaker 1: wanted it, not that it was something nice to have,
Speaker 1: but that they needed what we were trying to do,
Speaker 1: I thought, well, there's an opportunity here for me to
Speaker 1: really change habits of people early, and so that that
Speaker 1: has what kept me going. That's my a Now.
Speaker 3: I love that so much.
Speaker 2: I love that you still have the passion for what
Speaker 2: you started out as because I think again, like people
Speaker 2: don't think that they can make a change in their
Speaker 2: life if it's good, they won't look for great, But
Speaker 2: then that means that they were just sitting good forever.
Speaker 2: And my corporate career was like that. I wasn't a
Speaker 2: corporate refuge because I hated where I was. I got
Speaker 2: off on the prestige and you know, the gratuity of
Speaker 2: success in climbing a corporate ladder. And I still find
Speaker 2: parts of law really really interesting. But it's almost like
Speaker 2: when you do start something else and you allow yourself
Speaker 2: to have other interests at the same time, it's the
Speaker 2: contrast that shows you, like, oh, this is how I
Speaker 2: feel when I'm one hundred percent fulfilled and then suddenly
Speaker 2: everything else pales in comparison. But unless you try other
Speaker 2: things things, you're never going to know. You won't know
Speaker 2: what can stick, you won't know how much more fulfilled
Speaker 2: you can be, and you won't even often know. I
Speaker 2: think that you're on the cusp of looking for a
Speaker 2: new chapter until you kind of just started.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. So I wanted to also say to
Speaker 1: people listening, it's not that I had this idea for
Speaker 1: Naked Sundays and it became a huge success. I along
Speaker 1: the way, I've always thought of different ideas well being
Speaker 1: a news report. I always love being an entrepreneur. It's
Speaker 1: something that I just enjoy. I enjoy making websites and
Speaker 1: products and books and whatever, and so I've done multiple
Speaker 1: things that haven't taken off, and that hasn't deterred me
Speaker 1: from continuing to try. So it's not that you have
Speaker 1: to feel like I'm going to quit my job and
Speaker 1: do this amazing business and it's going to all work out. Unfortunately, No,
Speaker 1: that's not really how it works. Well, it didn't work
Speaker 1: like that for me, and I tried multiple things and
Speaker 1: so when they don't stick, that's okay. You can still
Speaker 1: fall back on what you're doing now. You don't have
Speaker 1: to quit everything to start a new thing. And I
Speaker 1: didn't quit until I knew that it was going to
Speaker 1: be a success and that I was able to quit.
Speaker 1: So don't be afraid to try, and also don't be
Speaker 1: disheartened if it doesn't work out for the first time.
Speaker 1: Try something else.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I think that's another thing that we would never hear
Speaker 2: the stories of the things you've tried and haven't worked
Speaker 2: because why they didn't work, So you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like they'll never see the light of day, which means
Speaker 2: people don't know that that's what you've been through to
Speaker 2: get their life.
Speaker 3: Always like it rewards you.
Speaker 2: On like the sixth and seventh and eighth and ninth try,
Speaker 2: but all the times it doesn't work. I kind of
Speaker 2: think the more data you have to make better decisions
Speaker 2: next time, the better off you are. And now you
Speaker 2: see how naked Sundays is your life purpose. Everything else
Speaker 2: didn't work so you could get to hear because you
Speaker 2: wouldn't have got to where you are now. And I
Speaker 2: think it's just extraordinary. I mean, the mist is like
Speaker 2: I can't even explain how much it blows my mind
Speaker 2: that a it wasn't in existence before, but b that
Speaker 2: it was just you out experiencing not being able to
Speaker 2: protect your skin over the top of makeup on TV
Speaker 2: that were just like, I am going to close this gap,
Speaker 2: and then everyone else in the world was like, yep,
Speaker 2: we've been waiting for you, because like, and this is
Speaker 2: what I think about letting self doubt or letting risk
Speaker 2: or fear stop you. If you listen to that, you
Speaker 2: would have deprived everyone now who can protect their skin
Speaker 2: from exactly what you have to offer. Someone else out
Speaker 2: there is always looking for exactly what you have. And
Speaker 2: it reminds me of that TikTok whenever anyone gets like
Speaker 2: one video goes viral and they're like, so do I
Speaker 2: call La or does LA call me?
Speaker 3: It's like, do I call Mecca?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: I found out a business, but Mecca called. You see,
Speaker 3: someone was looking for exactly what you had.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure one of us called. I can't remember.
Speaker 1: It was so long ago, but I'm sure it wasn't
Speaker 1: that they just picked up the phone and thought we
Speaker 1: need this missed. I think it was a lot of retailers.
Speaker 1: So many retailers, all the big retailers and around the
Speaker 1: world and in Australia as well, have all contacted. So
Speaker 1: I can't say for sure who did watch, but I
Speaker 1: definitely was speaking to Mecca very early on.
Speaker 2: That's incredible and justifiably there's nothing else like that out there.
Speaker 2: And you have made SPO fifty plus and looking after
Speaker 2: your skin cool and easy over the top of makeup.
Speaker 2: That's the biggest issue with reapplication is like messing up
Speaker 2: the contrary that takes everyone eighty five hours.
Speaker 3: To do it.
Speaker 2: So how did you get it off the ground? Like
Speaker 2: It's one thing to have an idea for a product,
Speaker 2: but to actually get formulations that work, to work with
Speaker 2: manufacturers you'd never done, like a product in beauty before.
Speaker 2: How do you come up with a name? Like how
Speaker 2: do you even learn about the statistics for sun protection
Speaker 2: and sun care? You know, it's a whole new world
Speaker 2: and that idea of reinvention and jumping into a world
Speaker 2: you know nothing about. Do you start just small and
Speaker 2: chip away?
Speaker 3: Like what did that two years look like?
Speaker 1: Yes? Interestingly, when I started the dating column, I was
Speaker 1: twenty twenty years old. I knew nothing about dating, and
Speaker 1: I remember just getting a pile of books. You know,
Speaker 1: we didn't have the internet. Google was a fignament of
Speaker 1: my imagination. So I'd got a pile of books, like
Speaker 1: twenty books, and I read all of them about relationships.
Speaker 1: And then I interviewed the world's top experts in their
Speaker 1: fields and psychologists, and I continue to interview them throughout
Speaker 1: the whole column of six years. Same thing happened with this.
Speaker 1: I just got on the phone and I rang every
Speaker 1: single teach I didn't even know the TGA rules or anything,
Speaker 1: but I started ringing TGA chemists and experts in their
Speaker 1: fields and asking questions. And I started to formulate an
Speaker 1: idea in my head of how a formula would work
Speaker 1: and who would be able to make it for me,
Speaker 1: and then where I'd be able to make it. And
Speaker 1: then the same thing with packaging. I just started asking
Speaker 1: questions and I can't it's just that enough. My husband
Speaker 1: reminds me we were on holiday like two years before
Speaker 1: we even thought to solidify naked Sundays. He remembers me,
Speaker 1: on the phone, I think we're driving to Byron Bay,
Speaker 1: just on the phone to chemists and formulators, and manifact
Speaker 1: is just saying, all right, I need this spray. It
Speaker 1: needs to be transparent. Can you make it for me?
Speaker 1: What ingredients and what's the testing? How do we get
Speaker 1: the SBF up to fifty plus? So I like created
Speaker 1: dossier in my head really about the structure of how
Speaker 1: to go about doing it, and then I just went methodically,
Speaker 1: step by step. And you know, I asked ten people
Speaker 1: to make it, and one of them came back and
Speaker 1: said that it might be possible. And then I asked
Speaker 1: ten twenty packaging people, how do you get this beautiful
Speaker 1: fine miss that doesn't go in your eyes, looks cool
Speaker 1: on the shelfy is made from you know, recyclable material
Speaker 1: and all the things that I wanted can be lilac.
Speaker 1: And I just kept asking and I must have gone
Speaker 1: through a hundred different kinds of bottles and sprays, and
Speaker 1: I get spraying. I would go to sleep sometimes like
Speaker 1: with my eyes swollen because I'd been spraying in my
Speaker 1: eyes all day. My daughter said to me one She's like, Mummy,
Speaker 1: you need to stop putting sunscreen in your eyes. I said, darling,
Speaker 1: I have to test it. It's my job. She's like,
Speaker 1: don't do it anymore. I just I literally lived and
Speaker 1: bade trying to discover the not even the secrets, but
Speaker 1: just the way of how to do it. And I
Speaker 1: wish that I would have had shortcuts and people who
Speaker 1: would just tell me, Hey, I've done it before, here's
Speaker 1: how you do it. But I think the beauty of
Speaker 1: it is that I went through that process because I
Speaker 1: feel like knowing that process now has helped me really
Speaker 1: be agile in what I'm doing. So everything we now do,
Speaker 1: we try and do world first, formulas, first to market, formulas,
Speaker 1: best in class in terms of formulation, packaging, usage, how
Speaker 1: it's applied, how it stays on, how it can go
Speaker 1: over your makeup or work with well with your makeup.
Speaker 1: So now if I think of an idea, I now
Speaker 1: know those shortcuts to getting it onto the shelves quicker
Speaker 1: and without having done all the leg room. And if
Speaker 1: someone just told me, would it have been as fun?
Speaker 2: I don't know, Sarah, but yeah, you carry that to
Speaker 2: you know the rest of the brand. Now you do
Speaker 2: that process once and it takes you two years, but
Speaker 2: now every time you have an idea, you have a.
Speaker 3: Model to sort of roll that out.
Speaker 2: And I love that you shared that because I think
Speaker 2: that is another big part of any business that no
Speaker 2: one sees. They see your beautiful packaging, your beautiful formulations,
Speaker 2: but again, don't realize that you might have tried like
Speaker 2: fifty different bottles to get the right one and we
Speaker 2: did exactly the same. Like people would say, you know,
Speaker 2: can you just give me your bag supplier, as if
Speaker 2: I hadn't tried like a million different bags to get
Speaker 2: the right humidity and the right waterproof but then the
Speaker 2: print for the ink to be the right on the
Speaker 2: outside like them.
Speaker 3: But that's what.
Speaker 2: Makes Naked Sundays so special and so different is that
Speaker 2: you have gone to all that effort. And I think
Speaker 2: that's why, you know, all those hard yards go into
Speaker 2: catapulting you to where you are today, because it's seamless.
Speaker 2: It's absolutely beautiful. But it's a lovely reminder that it
Speaker 2: doesn't start that way.
Speaker 1: Everyone know here what Sarah's saying. It's every last little detail.
Speaker 1: It needs to be redone and reiterated hundreds of times.
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't just pop up and here's my manufacturer.
Speaker 1: I wish it work that way, but it does.
Speaker 2: And I'd love to ask now before we get into
Speaker 2: the actual formulations, and I want to also kind of
Speaker 2: remind everyone about some of the facts we need to know,
Speaker 2: just just remind ourselves why it's so important to protect
Speaker 2: your skin from the sun. But one thing that's really
Speaker 2: interesting about the way you launch Naked Sundays is that,
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, didn't say that it was you for
Speaker 2: eight months and now you know. I feel like the
Speaker 2: message business owners get a lot is put your face
Speaker 2: to it, tell the story, humanize yourself, you know, get
Speaker 2: out there on socials. But also ego requires you know,
Speaker 2: your ego pushes you to when something takes off, to
Speaker 2: be proud of it and tell people. And in a
Speaker 2: kind of culture that's very hustle, like be proud, put
Speaker 2: your best foot forward. It's so interesting that you almost
Speaker 2: bought yourself eight months of not having to deal with
Speaker 2: that to let the products speak for themselves, which is
Speaker 2: very much the reverse. I think of what a lot
Speaker 2: of bhysiness models happening, Like can you talk us through
Speaker 2: how that unraveled? Did you feel like it was like
Speaker 2: buying you time to not have to worry about, you know,
Speaker 2: it being attached to your name, Like I remember I
Speaker 2: didn't tell anyone at the firm, but that's because I
Speaker 2: was scared about getting fired, but it also allowed me
Speaker 2: to not be judged by anyone if it didn't go well,
Speaker 2: Like I feel like it protected me.
Speaker 3: What was going through your mind in that in that decision?
Speaker 1: Correct, I felt exactly the same as you, and I
Speaker 1: feel that, Oh, there were so many emotions going through
Speaker 1: at the time, same as you. Am I going to
Speaker 1: fail is ever I'm going to hate this? But then
Speaker 1: the most important thing for me is that this is
Speaker 1: a TGA product, TGA FDA certified kind of medicine product
Speaker 1: that you really need to get right in that sense.
Speaker 1: And I never wanted anyone to turn around and say, well,
Speaker 1: why is this news reporter thinking that she can create
Speaker 1: a sunscreen which is a TGA product. So I really
Speaker 1: made the calculated decision to say, Okay, this is going
Speaker 1: to be a high performance SBF that I wanted to
Speaker 1: speak for itself and I want people to know the
Speaker 1: efficacy without thinking, oh, but the founder. I didn't want
Speaker 1: it to founder. Let this is not my formulas. This
Speaker 1: is the TGA approved formulas that work. And that was
Speaker 1: just my publicists would fight with me every day. They
Speaker 1: need to interview you, I said, who they don't need
Speaker 1: to interview me, here's the product. She goes, no, we
Speaker 1: need a face, we need a founder, and I said, no,
Speaker 1: you don't, you don't, and she fought with me the
Speaker 1: whole time, and towards the end she stopped fighting with me,
Speaker 1: and then I said I'm ready. She said, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a bit late for you now. And
Speaker 1: it was slow. It wasn't like, oh my god, Sam's
Speaker 1: behind the face. Let's talk to Sam. It was and
Speaker 1: to this day, our customers they speak to the brand.
Speaker 1: They speak to the brand, they talk to the brand
Speaker 1: on socials like they actually speak as of the brand's
Speaker 1: the personality, which is also me but anyway, and I
Speaker 1: love that because no one cares who the founder it is.
Speaker 1: And I like that. I think that's such a new way,
Speaker 1: as you say, it's not the way people do it anymore,
Speaker 1: in such a new way, interestingly of looking at a brand,
Speaker 1: and because it's a sunscreen, that is important to me
Speaker 1: and I want to keep it that way, so I
Speaker 1: try and not to do I don't do every podcast,
Speaker 1: I've done very very few. I hardly do any interviews,
Speaker 1: and I really try and make sure that this is
Speaker 1: not a founder, let brand for that reason.
Speaker 2: That is such an honor that you even said yes,
Speaker 2: particularly knowing that I.
Speaker 1: Didn't say yes. I've been asking.
Speaker 2: Can I Oh my gosh, that is seriously, that's such
Speaker 2: an honor because I admire what you're doing so much.
Speaker 2: But I also think that's very reassuring for a lot
Speaker 2: of business owners out there who are the same. They
Speaker 2: want their products to speak for themselves. Maybe they don't
Speaker 2: want the enmeshment that comes with you being the brand.
Speaker 2: Some brands live because the identity of the founder is
Speaker 2: tied up with it. Some people don't want that, and
Speaker 2: whether in their lifestyle they want that for personal reasons
Speaker 2: or because of the product for the business, they want
Speaker 2: that for business reasons. I think it's really interesting that
Speaker 2: it can work the other way around, particularly in this
Speaker 2: era where social media wants a face all the time.
Speaker 2: Naked Sundays has not suffered at all. It's become a
Speaker 2: cult and an identity of its own, and it's amazing
Speaker 2: that you get to pick and choose. You know, it
Speaker 2: doesn't depend on you putting your face out there.
Speaker 3: All the time.
Speaker 1: I will say a funny story. I just got back
Speaker 1: from the US where we launched there, and we had
Speaker 1: a room full of you know, a hundred of the
Speaker 1: top influencers in the US, and they were so lovely
Speaker 1: and they were so down to earth, and it was
Speaker 1: quite an interesting experience for me. But I got up
Speaker 1: and I told my story about being a newsreader and
Speaker 1: about you know, why I needed the sunscreen. They came
Speaker 1: up to me afterwards and they were in shock. Oh,
Speaker 1: my god, your brand story is actually real. It's not
Speaker 1: just a made up brand story. Were here all the time,
Speaker 1: you know, you have to have a brand story. And
Speaker 1: so we see these founders stand up and they say,
Speaker 1: a made up story, but yours is real.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't understand people make them up.
Speaker 1: Because in the US it's such a thing like what
Speaker 1: is your brand story? And you must write it out
Speaker 1: and must be this, this and this and then I
Speaker 1: don't even have notes. I don't need notes. I was
Speaker 1: a news reporter for ten years. Like there's no notes
Speaker 1: or story. It just is what it is. And they
Speaker 1: were so surprised. They were in shock, like, this is real.
Speaker 1: You really needed the sunscreen, and so you made it
Speaker 1: really there was the funniest thing. And I was thinking,
Speaker 1: this is so funny. You know that they understand this
Speaker 1: need for a founder's story. And I've heard of that
Speaker 1: before too, so I mean, yeah, it's just a real
Speaker 1: story and not one that I share because I didn't
Speaker 1: need to and I didn't want to, And now that
Speaker 1: I do, it's nice. It's nice to hear people resonate
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, So that actually makes me think, like in
Speaker 2: any area, whether product or a decision that's more personal
Speaker 2: or marketing or whatever it is, it's very hard when
Speaker 2: you're doing something as differently as you are, when you
Speaker 2: are kind of going against the grain or doing something new,
Speaker 2: or you know, even the product formulations are different to
Speaker 2: what's kind of ever been done before, or you bring
Speaker 2: out things at a world leading it's very hard because
Speaker 2: you are going against the current, so you're pushing against
Speaker 2: difference all the time. And I find like in the
Speaker 2: NATA section, we've talked kind of about fear and risk
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff, but comparison is so rife.
Speaker 2: It is so hard not to be looking at what
Speaker 2: everyone else is doing. So when you've decided to do
Speaker 2: something that's not the way everyone else is doing it,
Speaker 2: did you ever get distracted by comparing yourself?
Speaker 1: By absolutely? And I love that you've brought this up,
Speaker 1: and I would wonder how you would deal with this
Speaker 1: as well, because I find it interesting that people who
Speaker 1: are able to get to the places in their careers
Speaker 1: where you have, how do you deal with that? And
Speaker 1: you know, it consumes a lot of people, especially younger people,
Speaker 1: and so it has consumed me at times. And can
Speaker 1: you imagine being a news reporter or a news presenter
Speaker 1: and you've got the other networks. Yeah, But recently, and
Speaker 1: I really want people to who are listening to hear this. Recently,
Speaker 1: I have found a place which is a lane that
Speaker 1: has no cars in it and it's just for me
Speaker 1: and naked Sundays and there's no one but to get
Speaker 1: to that point where you are in your lane and
Speaker 1: you are not looking left or right, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of pain that you go through to get there, and
Speaker 1: you really have to learn that exactly what I've just said,
Speaker 1: When you are looking left and right and constantly at
Speaker 1: competition or other people, it's painful, and guess what, that
Speaker 1: pain doesn't serve you, and so you have to let
Speaker 1: it go. And it comes with meditation, reading, getting to
Speaker 1: know yourself and your brand really well so that you're
Speaker 1: confident with what you're doing. And it's funny. My friend
Speaker 1: saying to me the other day she's starting a business
Speaker 1: on a completely separate topic, and she said to me, Oh,
Speaker 1: this girl I bumped into she's also doing it. And
Speaker 1: it's funny because I look at that girl and I
Speaker 1: think I've never heard of her. I don't care what
Speaker 1: she's doing. Why is my friend caring? And then it
Speaker 1: made me laugh and think that's how I sound when
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, but this person's doing this in skincare
Speaker 1: and this person you know, and it's like the person
Speaker 1: who I'm telling to they don't even know what I'm
Speaker 1: better know those other people and they don't care. And
Speaker 1: it's only us that cares, right, And we're in this
Speaker 1: bubble where we're just so consumed, and the minute you
Speaker 1: can let that go, magic happens.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that is my favorite SoundBite almost all year,
Speaker 2: Like it's so true. It is so hard to do
Speaker 2: that thing where there are like I call it, just
Speaker 2: put the blinkers on. You sometimes have to, like even
Speaker 2: literal physical blinkers. Sometimes you have to mute pages that
Speaker 2: you follow in the production phase of something. Sometimes you
Speaker 2: have to literally force yourself to ignore the other cars
Speaker 2: to stay, like put up barriers on your road so
Speaker 2: that you can just focus on what you're doing. Because
Speaker 2: it's that whole thing that it's the thief of joy.
Speaker 2: It literally will ruin. Like another quote I love is
Speaker 2: the fastest way to kill something special is to compare
Speaker 2: it to something else.
Speaker 3: Like how powerful?
Speaker 2: Totally, So I don't need any convincing. I am absolutely
Speaker 2: obsessed with everything that you create. The mist alone is
Speaker 2: just game changing. It has changed my life because I
Speaker 2: get very pigmented. I'm in, you know, thirty three, so
Speaker 2: I'm getting to that age where I really care about
Speaker 2: some protection every day. But what is so important, like
Speaker 2: give us some of the stats that you're passionate about
Speaker 2: some of the statistics, or even like that we should
Speaker 2: reply every ninety minutes. I don't think people know that.
Speaker 2: And then your favorite products and why you're so excited
Speaker 2: about naked Sundays helping us address those statistics.
Speaker 1: So I am not a sales sales e. So anything
Speaker 1: I've created is because A it wasn't on the market
Speaker 1: and people needed it, or B I needed it. But
Speaker 1: I did a survey of I think it was two
Speaker 1: thousand millennials so age between eighteen and I think thirty four,
Speaker 1: and I found that seventy percent of them didn't wear
Speaker 1: SBF every day, And then I did the survey which
Speaker 1: asked them why, and they said the main reasons were
Speaker 1: it's white, it's sticky, and it's not good for my skin.
Speaker 1: And so I pretty much always believe that if I
Speaker 1: ever did the SBF, it would have to have no
Speaker 1: white cars, not be sticky, and be good for your skin.
Speaker 1: And then that cemented to me when I did that pole,
Speaker 1: that is exactly what people are saying. So the statistics
Speaker 1: are also that millennials are most at risk of melanomas
Speaker 1: that age bracket. And so for me, the whole point
Speaker 1: really of naked Sundays and why it's so fun and
Speaker 1: purple and lilac and rainbow is to really get the
Speaker 1: younger generation changing their habits now. And you're lucky and
Speaker 1: that your family and your mum and still that to
Speaker 1: you early, but most of us, even if our parents
Speaker 1: did say that to us, we still shunned sunscreen and
Speaker 1: didn't listen. And now we get to my age and
Speaker 1: I'm a bit older than you, but it's all about
Speaker 1: those expensive reversal procedures, which is, you know, that's the
Speaker 1: trend now, and it's just it's expensive, it's invasive, it's annoying,
Speaker 1: Like no one wants to have to do that. Imagine
Speaker 1: we just told that whole generation, Hey, just need a
Speaker 1: wear at SBF every day, top up every ninety minutes
Speaker 1: when you're out in the sun, and you won't need
Speaker 1: any of that when you're older. Quick, right, take thirty
Speaker 1: seconds to put on sunscreen. So how am I going
Speaker 1: to get a whole generation to change the habits? Yes,
Speaker 1: we can make it. Lilac And Lilac wasn't big back
Speaker 1: then when I started, by the way, So we really
Speaker 1: did a lot of research into the trends of what
Speaker 1: will be cool for millennials in two years time, and
Speaker 1: Lilac popping up, and you know how Lilac is now, right,
Speaker 1: So I mean, kudos to my trend expert, who really
Speaker 1: was like my work experience person. Oh my gosh, who
Speaker 1: was the only millennial who I knew, who was the
Speaker 1: only twenty two year old I knew at the time,
Speaker 1: So kudos to her. And she did some research and
Speaker 1: she she came up with that, and then I sort
Speaker 1: of chose the sort of the holographic to make it
Speaker 1: just really fun and sparkly. And now my daughter who's five,
Speaker 1: things all sunscreens are purple, and she draws a little
Speaker 1: purple sunscreens at school. Yeah, it's really sweet. She loves
Speaker 1: sunscreen now. So everything I sort of made sure that
Speaker 1: she would love to put on us put on her shelf,
Speaker 1: you know, because I just feel like if it's going
Speaker 1: to be attractive and people enjoy having it around, which
Speaker 1: like everyone does, they love having it on their shelves,
Speaker 1: then they're going to use it well hopefully. So products
Speaker 1: I love. So the myst was the first hero product,
Speaker 1: and the amount of iterations that we've done to make
Speaker 1: it super super light but not too light so that
Speaker 1: it doesn't hit the spots, but so that it doesn't
Speaker 1: go in your mouth or your eyes. We've reiterated the
Speaker 1: formula multiple times that it's not greasy, so it's a
Speaker 1: little bit matifying, and then it's just unspraying. Now by
Speaker 1: the way, everyone your eyes straight away. It doesn't even
Speaker 1: get in your eyes, like it's just we've perfected the
Speaker 1: delivery system I call it. Never been done before anywhere
Speaker 1: like that in the world. All the other myths they
Speaker 1: sort of get into your eyes or like make little
Speaker 1: blobs on your face. But this is so even that
Speaker 1: it just you can see my face is a bit
Speaker 1: glowy but not greasy, so it's not taking off my
Speaker 1: makeup that I'm wearing.
Speaker 3: It is amazing. It blows me.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen the video, but like
Speaker 2: when I made a video of it, and my face is.
Speaker 1: Just like.
Speaker 3: What like zooming in, like what is happening? Blew me away?
Speaker 1: Thank you? I love that. So then we thought, okay,
Speaker 1: but and when I say we, it's like me and
Speaker 1: my husband, who's actually in finance and nothing to do
Speaker 1: with naked Sundays. But it was only us at the beginning.
Speaker 1: So we're thinking, Okay, how do we get millennials to
Speaker 1: so the mysters for topping up when you're out and about,
Speaker 1: But how do you get them to wear their sunscreen
Speaker 1: every single day aside from being lilac? And so we
Speaker 1: decided to put collagen into the sunscreen, thinking maybe that
Speaker 1: will encourage them, And then I thought, but it's got
Speaker 1: to be vegan, So what about vegan collagen? And then
Speaker 1: again people told me that couldn't be done such thing,
Speaker 1: and I found it and it's a bunch of plants
Speaker 1: that mimic when you use actual collagen on your skin,
Speaker 1: but it's smaller molecules so it actually absorbs. So we
Speaker 1: did studies on it and have found that it increased
Speaker 1: hydration and moisture and all that good stuff. So put
Speaker 1: vegan collagen in, did a chemical sunscreen, and then did
Speaker 1: a mineral because a lot of people very surprising to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know about skincare, but most people have sensit
Speaker 1: of skin. Who would have thought anyways, So the mineral. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know anything about mineral sunscreen.
Speaker 1: I didn't, but I always knew that it was white
Speaker 1: and very thick, and so we put a special blend
Speaker 1: of iron oxides in it to eradicate the white cast.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've used the mineral, but it's
Speaker 1: become a cult. Sold out in Meccan twenty four hours
Speaker 1: three months worth of stock when we launched three months worth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were scrambling. We still scramble every day for enough
Speaker 1: of these guys. But basically, you put it on before
Speaker 1: your makeup or just with nothing else, and it's thick
Speaker 1: because it's mineral and it's fifty. So any mineral sunscreen
Speaker 1: use that's not thick, it's not fifty. They've used less
Speaker 1: because it's it's actual zinc. So it's grounds up white
Speaker 1: powder anyway, so you put it on and it might
Speaker 1: look sick at first. And I created also what I'm
Speaker 1: super proud of is this little brush. I call it
Speaker 1: the SBFVFF brush. But anyway, you blend the mineral into
Speaker 1: your skin and it completely blurs any fine lines or
Speaker 1: wrinkles due to the iron oxide blend and gives you
Speaker 1: this absolutely flawless finish due to the additives in it.
Speaker 1: And you put your makeup over it and it just
Speaker 1: gives you this beautiful glow. And I've tested it on
Speaker 1: cameras and lights and it doesn't give you any flashback
Speaker 1: or anything. And people are addicted to it because they
Speaker 1: just go out the house with just this and a
Speaker 1: bit of blush or lip gloss and that's it. And
Speaker 1: so it just gives you that finish. So the mineral
Speaker 1: and the mist are now our complete best sellers. And
Speaker 1: then we just launched I don't know if you have one,
Speaker 1: but it's the Clear Glow Radiant sun serum. So it's
Speaker 1: the first one hundred percent clear SPF fifty sunscreen. There's
Speaker 1: been around, but they've been thirty or forty, but fifty
Speaker 1: and so it's just clear. So it's just a sealing sunscreen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's got blue light protection in it. And I'm
Speaker 1: putting everything right now for those who are listening over
Speaker 1: my makeup, but you can just see it's not greasy,
Speaker 1: it's not oily. It dries down immediately, and that has
Speaker 1: become our new bestseller. And then I created the world's
Speaker 1: first SPF fifty lip oil. So I love lip oils.
Speaker 3: The lip oil is so beautiful.
Speaker 1: I can never find a lip oil. Actually we've got
Speaker 1: a new new one coming out soon anyways. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: there's never been a lip oil with SB and that's hard.
Speaker 1: That was hard to create because you'll remember that, oh
Speaker 1: it taste good. It smells good because it's sunscreen and
Speaker 1: you're putting it on your lips and sunscreen at the
Speaker 1: best of time, cells and taste or smell good, right,
Speaker 1: but putting it on your lips, you have to make
Speaker 1: sure it smells and tastes good. So we're constantly iterating
Speaker 1: that and bringing out new flavors. And then my brand
Speaker 1: new baby, which by the time you guys as a
Speaker 1: listening is going to be out.
Speaker 3: O how excited. Honestly, it just is.
Speaker 2: If you guys listening aren't absolutely obsessed with Nakad Sundays
Speaker 2: by now, I don't know what would ever excite you,
Speaker 2: Like this is so amazing. I just it's so interesting.
Speaker 2: How often Like there's another quote that I love, which
Speaker 2: is that people often miss opportunity because it comes disguised
Speaker 2: as hard work or something like that, Like most people
Speaker 2: would see the barriers, how hard it has been. The
Speaker 2: reason why you're doing world first is because everyone else
Speaker 2: in the industry is like, that's too hard, it's impossible.
Speaker 3: No, we're not going to do it.
Speaker 2: But you have literally thought of everything you've thought of,
Speaker 2: Like who thinks about how something reflects on camera? No
Speaker 2: one thinks about that. But that's what millennials care about. Like, yes,
Speaker 2: the fact that the biggest barrier for millennials isn't that
Speaker 2: they don't care about some protection. It's just that there's
Speaker 2: no product that works with what they do in their life.
Speaker 2: That it's the stickiness. It's not the facts that they
Speaker 2: are ignoring. It's that it's the act product Like the
Speaker 2: fact that you even have researched, that you've thought about
Speaker 2: literally everything. And I think that's the big disconnect with
Speaker 2: a lot of brands, is they're not literally looking at
Speaker 2: everything their target market says and does and cares about.
Speaker 3: And fixing it. But you're doing that, and it's it's extraordinary.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I come from a place and
Speaker 1: I wish I didn't, But I think I come from
Speaker 1: a place not of what's going to sell. I never
Speaker 1: think that. I think what is missing and what as
Speaker 1: you exactly as you said, what would make people want
Speaker 1: to use it? And it annoys me. Sometimes they don't come
Speaker 1: from the place where what will sell? And I wish
Speaker 1: I did. But I think that's because I don't have
Speaker 1: a skincare background, and I don't have a sunscreen back.
Speaker 1: I don't even have a product background. I don't have
Speaker 1: a business background. I don't know how I got here.
Speaker 1: It's just by chance, but it is. It's by chance.
Speaker 1: I come from a people background, and so I guess,
Speaker 1: as you say, I just think what do the people want?
Speaker 1: I listen to them, talk to them, and then try
Speaker 1: and create it. It's not easy.
Speaker 2: I think coming from a people background is maybe the
Speaker 2: most valuable thing that you can do. Like you know,
Speaker 2: there is of course so many skills to be learned
Speaker 2: in studying business or you know, knowing from an earlier
Speaker 2: age that's what you want to do. But I think
Speaker 2: the skills that are most important is that it's being
Speaker 2: able to speak to people. It's you can learn all
Speaker 2: the other stuff that's what's exciting about business. You can
Speaker 2: learn about supply chains and manufacturing and branding and products
Speaker 2: and packaging and you know, all that stuff, but talking
Speaker 2: to people about what they want that transfers to anything,
Speaker 2: which is obviously you're.
Speaker 3: So good at that.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: So what's what's the new thing coming out?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yes, sorry I interrupted you just getting excited.
Speaker 1: So our newest product is called Golden Globe Body Sunscreen,
Speaker 1: and so just you know, how boring is it to
Speaker 1: just put on sunscreen on your body and you know,
Speaker 1: we always feel like it's just a bit white and
Speaker 1: a bit sticky. Oh and it comes with the brush too.
Speaker 1: It comes with the body brush. So I'll just use
Speaker 1: my face brush for now, but it comes with the
Speaker 1: most beautiful got it, No you worry, I've got the
Speaker 1: body brush. Okay. So it comes with this beautiful body brush.
Speaker 1: And it's basically I don't really thought about how to
Speaker 1: mark and see that again, like I've even thought about
Speaker 1: how to market. I've just thought to myself, you know
Speaker 1: what people are missing in their lives. They're missing like
Speaker 1: a beautiful glowy sunscreen that could like make their skin
Speaker 1: glow and give it a bit of gold fifty plus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's just like a little bit you can see
Speaker 1: on my skin for everyone listening, I'm just putting it
Speaker 1: on my deck litage. It's just a beautiful glow and
Speaker 1: it just makes you look a little bit golden. And
Speaker 1: we're launching it in the middle of winter on purpose
Speaker 1: so that you get that beautiful golden glow. So you
Speaker 1: could be having lunch with your girlfriends, you could be
Speaker 1: out on the boat, you could be at the day
Speaker 1: at the races, and you're not putting on this white,
Speaker 1: sticky sunscreen. You're putting on a beautiful, glowy, shimmery body sunscreen.
Speaker 1: It's got green tea extract in it, so it's sort
Speaker 1: of firming and swimming, so you can put it on
Speaker 1: your legs and you'll selly light and if you have
Speaker 1: any and you know it will be really good for
Speaker 1: your skin as well. And then I have been naughty
Speaker 1: and have been putting it on my face because in winter,
Speaker 1: you know when you'd like start to look a little
Speaker 1: bit pale. Yeah, yes, So I've been putting it on
Speaker 1: my face for a bit of a golden glow. And
Speaker 1: now I'm thinking, oh my god, maybe I should have
Speaker 1: made it into a face sunscreen because it's just the
Speaker 1: most beautiful glow that's just a bit of a winter
Speaker 1: fun product. So golden glow body sunscreen.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. I'm so excited.
Speaker 2: Honestly, it is so cool listening to the way that
Speaker 2: you come up with new products by just looking at
Speaker 2: the gaps and figuring out what you want to use.
Speaker 3: That is it's just so natural and organic and I.
Speaker 2: Just I'm so excited, and I feel like this is
Speaker 2: why because I'm similar to you.
Speaker 3: I'm a people person.
Speaker 2: I love product and I love, you know, things that
Speaker 2: perform really well. But listening to you, I just want
Speaker 2: to like bathe myself, like literally like jump into a
Speaker 2: big pool of naked Sundays and just swiming it.
Speaker 3: Like it's just it's.
Speaker 2: So cool how thought out everything is, and also that
Speaker 2: it came out of nowhere, like you've had this entire
Speaker 2: career before, and people very much silo themselves. I think
Speaker 2: into categories and think that's it for me. But you know,
Speaker 2: eighteen months ago, well maybe not eighteen months, but eighteen
Speaker 2: months before you had the idea, you would have no
Speaker 2: idea that this was going to be your life.
Speaker 1: None, absolutely none. And that's the beauty of it. And
Speaker 1: I feel like people need to really find the beauty
Speaker 1: for their lives and just think to yourself, there is
Speaker 1: something that I might be doing in eighteen months time
Speaker 1: that I haven't even thought of yet. But it's like
Speaker 1: if I had the idea and I follow through and
Speaker 1: the pieces start to fall together and I just push
Speaker 1: and push, maybe my life will look completely different in
Speaker 1: eighteen months time, for the better and something you'd never
Speaker 1: even have imagined for yourself.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Well, given that that has all happened and he's continuing
Speaker 2: to blow up, this is probably the wrong time to
Speaker 2: ask you the plata questions because I feel.
Speaker 3: Like play and having an.
Speaker 2: Activity that is outside of what you do and that's
Speaker 2: just a pure joy. It's a different equation in the
Speaker 2: early stages of a business because businesses are very demanding.
Speaker 2: They're like new children, and you do kind of make
Speaker 2: sacrifices in the those beginning, you know, first few years.
Speaker 3: But is there.
Speaker 2: Anything that you do to kind of pull your brain
Speaker 2: out of the business and to stop thinking about sunscreen
Speaker 2: and new products and what you're doing, even if that
Speaker 2: brings you joy, Because I feel like if you don't
Speaker 2: get some distance, it's very hard to stay fresh. It's
Speaker 2: hard to keep the joy in your business if you
Speaker 2: can't find joy somewhere else.
Speaker 1: I have a five year old daughter who loves to
Speaker 1: draw and loves to play and loves to make cubby houses,
Speaker 1: and yeah, she definitely takes me out and out of
Speaker 1: the brain focus of the business and transports me into
Speaker 1: another world. And I really try to spend as much
Speaker 1: as time as I can with her. And whilst she
Speaker 1: loves and respects what I do and ask me if
Speaker 1: she can come to the office after school today, I
Speaker 1: really do try separate that as much as I can.
Speaker 1: It's not easy, I will be honest, you know, I'd
Speaker 1: love to be spending more time with her, and so
Speaker 1: I do that. I did have a ritual before it
Speaker 1: was cold where I would just go for a walk
Speaker 1: on Bunday Beach every single day. Every day, I would
Speaker 1: just go to the beach and I would just hear
Speaker 1: the waves and I would listen to music. I love
Speaker 1: Taylor's with Amazing and Kanye. I don't know if that's controversial.
Speaker 1: I used to listen to all their new albums coming
Speaker 1: out and just listen and listen. And that really got
Speaker 1: me out of it too. You know, I have a
Speaker 1: husband who I sometimes see, I mean every now and
Speaker 1: then occasionally, and you know, so I guess for me
Speaker 1: family exercise. I was going to say friends, and then
Speaker 1: I had some pause. My best friend lives in La
Speaker 1: so I just went to America to launch Shaked Sundays
Speaker 1: and then I spent three days with her and we
Speaker 1: just went shopping and had a drink on a rooftop
Speaker 1: bar and just did nothing. And that was so lovely.
Speaker 1: But you know, when you have a toddler and a business,
Speaker 1: I guess you can only really split up your time
Speaker 1: between those two. There is nothing else. So I'm hoping
Speaker 1: to go back to some of my ya's, but right
Speaker 1: now there's not much yea. But this is yay I.
Speaker 1: You know, this is my dream to be on your podcast.
Speaker 1: I've been asking you to trial Naked Sundays for over
Speaker 1: a years, so you know, this is such joy to me.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, it just never feels like work,
Speaker 1: and I feel like that is such a yay, right
Speaker 1: if your job doesn't feel like work, I don't feel
Speaker 1: I was in my office yesterday. My daughter was here too,
Speaker 1: but I was in the office yesterday and I didn't
Speaker 1: feel like I was working. I felt like I was
Speaker 1: just doing something I love. I know that that sounds cliche,
Speaker 1: but I honestly was in the office on a Sunday.
Speaker 1: It's a Monday now, so on a Sunday just because
Speaker 1: I wanted to. I wanted to be here.
Speaker 2: I think that cliche is a cliche for a reason, though,
Speaker 2: And it is possible to find something to do that.
Speaker 2: I mean, not everyone has that, and not everyone needs
Speaker 2: their joy to be in their work. Sometimes their balance
Speaker 2: is different. But it is possible to do something that
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like you're working a day in your life
Speaker 2: because it is so much fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've really you know, not everyone has to
Speaker 1: do that. You know, there were some days a Channel
Speaker 1: seven that were very some days as a news reporter
Speaker 1: that are extremely difficult, and not every day is fun
Speaker 1: and enjoyable. So not everyone has to have that. And
Speaker 1: there's people that go to work and come home and
Speaker 1: have the most amazing lives. I don't think everyone has
Speaker 1: to have that. But for me, there's a very big
Speaker 1: blur between work and home and friends and everything. So
Speaker 1: like my friends work with me, if they want to
Speaker 1: see me, they work in the business. That's that's it,
Speaker 1: and that's how I'm built and so but yeah, not everyone.
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, you don't have to love
Speaker 1: your job. It's just you know, you can go to
Speaker 1: work and then have amazing life and separate it. As
Speaker 1: long as you have time for you you know, and
Speaker 1: you know exactly what they are and you make sure
Speaker 1: that you're doing them every day.
Speaker 2: That's fine too, right, absolutely, And I think that's yeah.
Speaker 2: The one thing I try and impress on everyone by
Speaker 2: showing different structures is for some people it's a very
Speaker 2: clear delineation and some people it is a big blurry mess,
Speaker 2: And it doesn't really matter as long as it feels
Speaker 2: good for you and you do feel some level.
Speaker 3: Of excitement or joy in your.
Speaker 2: Life, and who cares what it looks like for anyone else,
Speaker 2: it really doesn't matter. But I'm so so so honored
Speaker 2: to I've had you on and just I'm so like,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry it took me so long to kind of
Speaker 2: get around, Like I think that is one of the
Speaker 2: hardest things in beauty is getting people to try something
Speaker 2: when they're said in their ways, not because of anything
Speaker 2: else other than just we're lazy, right, Like we've got
Speaker 2: our things and it's just to open your brain to
Speaker 2: something new. But the minute I heard about the actual
Speaker 2: philosophy behind naked Sundays and the different delivery methods, like
Speaker 2: I have never been able to reapply as often as
Speaker 2: I would like to, even knowing all the facts, even
Speaker 2: being a skin gearhound, I still am like.
Speaker 3: It's going to wreck my entire face.
Speaker 2: And you've changed my life, like absolutely changed my life.
Speaker 2: I'm about to go on my honeymoon for the like
Speaker 2: it's been three years, coming a very very sunny part
Speaker 2: of the world, and the mist is like there's no alternative,
Speaker 2: there's nothing else. It is already in my suitcase. It
Speaker 2: is an honor to know.
Speaker 1: You use the body and the face interchangeably, Like the
Speaker 1: face does have more antioxidants and more vitamins, but you
Speaker 1: can use either. For either you can use so you
Speaker 1: can just take one if you want to take a
Speaker 1: smaller and then put in your body. A pro tip.
Speaker 2: You are like literally a gift from God to all
Speaker 2: of us, to every person who has skin anywhere.
Speaker 3: Basically, that's so kind.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Oh my gosh, have an amazing time.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited, and congratulations on everything. It really has
Speaker 2: been a privilege. I know that you don't do these
Speaker 2: very often, and I feel very, very honored to finish.
Speaker 3: Though. I have to ask you, what is your favorite quote?
Speaker 3: If you have one?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I don't know if you're gonna like it.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I love every quote. I'm corny.
Speaker 1: I found myself very amusing. Not really. My favorite quote
Speaker 1: is the time is now. I say that to my
Speaker 1: staff constantly, possibly every hour. I say that to them,
Speaker 1: I say that to me. I said that to my family,
Speaker 1: and it's big and small. So should we launch Naked Sundays.
Speaker 1: We're not ready or you don't have a website set up,
Speaker 1: and I say, the time is now. If we don't
Speaker 1: do it now, when are we going to do it?
Speaker 1: And you know, so from the big big things to
Speaker 1: the little things like hey, I want to go to
Speaker 1: the US next week and do a quick launch and
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh, you're not ready. I say, well, the
Speaker 1: time's now. So if I'm not going to go, now,
Speaker 1: when am I going to go? And I just booked
Speaker 1: the ticket and I went and it was a great
Speaker 1: success because I made it happen. So if I just
Speaker 1: keep telling myself I'm sorry, like I don't believe in
Speaker 1: and then this might be to my detriment, let's sit
Speaker 1: and let's plan it out and let's make sure the
Speaker 1: ducts are in a row. The time is now, people.
Speaker 2: Well, is that not the most motivating way to end?
Speaker 2: I love that The time really is now. If anyone
Speaker 2: is sitting on an idea, whether it's work or personal,
Speaker 2: like take that trip, do that thing, If the last
Speaker 2: couple of years has not given you that push, then
Speaker 2: surely Samantha right now is doing that. I don't think
Speaker 2: it ever is to your detriment because like, the ducks
Speaker 2: don't matter if you don't start, Like who cares where
Speaker 2: the ducks even are? Right, it doesn't matter if they're
Speaker 2: in a row or not. Because if you don't start
Speaker 2: you'll never see them, so I think that's such a
Speaker 2: powerful message. You are so inspiring and motivating, and thank
Speaker 2: you so much for joining, thank you for having me, Like,
Speaker 2: how can you not go and buy everything from Naked
Speaker 2: Sundays right now? I loved this chat so much and
Speaker 2: you can hear how much I admire Samantha and struggle
Speaker 2: with the words to explain it. Her story touches on
Speaker 2: so many themes about path yeay's reinventing yourself and just
Speaker 2: ripping the band aid and seizing that yea right now.
Speaker 2: I hope you found her as inspiring as I do,
Speaker 2: and please share the episode, tagging at Naked Underscore Sundays
Speaker 2: and us to show our appreciation and keep growing the
Speaker 2: yighborhood and oh my gosh, these incredible products and their
Speaker 2: messages as far and wide as possible. I hope you're
Speaker 2: all having an amazing week and seizing you Yes,