1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:16,514 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mom with Me podcast. Whoever said 2 00:00:16,553 --> 00:00:19,194 Speaker 1: orange is a new pink with seriously disturbed. 3 00:00:18,914 --> 00:00:21,274 Speaker 2: Laurels for spraying groundbreaking? 4 00:00:21,553 --> 00:00:23,834 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you have to do it. You live 5 00:00:23,954 --> 00:00:24,634 Speaker 1: for fashion. 6 00:00:26,594 --> 00:00:29,034 Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that 7 00:00:29,114 --> 00:00:30,354 Speaker 3: solves fashion problems and. 8 00:00:30,354 --> 00:00:32,434 Speaker 1: Levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell. 9 00:00:32,594 --> 00:00:35,314 Speaker 3: Today we've got stylist Haley Cooper back on the show. 10 00:00:35,394 --> 00:00:38,513 Speaker 3: She was first on with Tam and everyone loved her advice. 11 00:00:38,554 --> 00:00:42,353 Speaker 3: So today we're talking fashion dilemmas, how to style loafers, 12 00:00:42,634 --> 00:00:45,314 Speaker 3: the exact right length to hem your pants, and what 13 00:00:45,394 --> 00:00:47,514 Speaker 3: the heck does smart casual actually mean? 14 00:00:47,833 --> 00:00:50,793 Speaker 1: So let's get into it. So, Hailey, welcome. 15 00:00:50,473 --> 00:00:52,354 Speaker 3: Back to Nothing to Wear. I didn't get to chat 16 00:00:52,354 --> 00:00:54,754 Speaker 3: to you last time. And in case anyone missed the 17 00:00:54,834 --> 00:00:56,954 Speaker 3: wonderful episode you did with Tam. 18 00:00:56,874 --> 00:00:57,394 Speaker 1: Who are you? 19 00:00:57,474 --> 00:00:59,754 Speaker 2: What do you do? So? I'm a personal stylist here 20 00:00:59,754 --> 00:01:01,953 Speaker 2: in Sydney and I've been doing this for about sixteen 21 00:01:02,034 --> 00:01:05,313 Speaker 2: years now. I work with everyday women and some men 22 00:01:05,594 --> 00:01:07,753 Speaker 2: to build their wardrobes in a way works for them 23 00:01:07,834 --> 00:01:10,714 Speaker 2: to increase their confidence, make things feel easy, should be 24 00:01:10,754 --> 00:01:13,274 Speaker 2: all simple, fun and feel completely allied to them. 25 00:01:13,474 --> 00:01:15,834 Speaker 3: Fun and alignes are like that in good sixteen years 26 00:01:15,834 --> 00:01:17,634 Speaker 3: before social media, before you know. 27 00:01:18,074 --> 00:01:20,114 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess at the start of online shopping. 28 00:01:19,794 --> 00:01:23,874 Speaker 3: Sort of a lot happen. Well, speaking of that, what's 29 00:01:23,994 --> 00:01:26,474 Speaker 3: on your for you page right now? What's your algorithm 30 00:01:26,514 --> 00:01:27,034 Speaker 3: showing you? 31 00:01:27,394 --> 00:01:29,634 Speaker 2: So at the moment, I am seeing a lot of 32 00:01:30,354 --> 00:01:32,794 Speaker 2: examples where it's kind of an image that will show 33 00:01:33,114 --> 00:01:35,634 Speaker 2: say three different styles of pants, for example. So they 34 00:01:35,674 --> 00:01:38,313 Speaker 2: might be like a dated version, which is your skinny 35 00:01:38,394 --> 00:01:41,634 Speaker 2: leg midrise kind of pants. Then there's the more timeless version, 36 00:01:41,674 --> 00:01:44,194 Speaker 2: which is normally high rise, maybe some subtle pleat it's 37 00:01:44,194 --> 00:01:46,914 Speaker 2: a bit more flowy, really easy to wear timeless. And 38 00:01:46,954 --> 00:01:48,834 Speaker 2: then there's something that's a little bit more trend driven, 39 00:01:48,914 --> 00:01:51,194 Speaker 2: which might have a cool hemline to it or a 40 00:01:51,234 --> 00:01:54,594 Speaker 2: trend feature. And I think that's really interesting because it 41 00:01:54,634 --> 00:01:57,154 Speaker 2: gives us such a good example of this is what 42 00:01:57,194 --> 00:01:59,754 Speaker 2: can be making you feel outdated that people likely still 43 00:01:59,754 --> 00:02:02,394 Speaker 2: have in their wardrobes. This is the timeless version to 44 00:02:02,834 --> 00:02:05,194 Speaker 2: introduce something that feels more current but still really wear it. 45 00:02:05,234 --> 00:02:07,074 Speaker 1: Always hold onto maybe exactly yeah. 46 00:02:07,314 --> 00:02:09,353 Speaker 2: And then there's the one that's more like trend driven, 47 00:02:09,394 --> 00:02:11,714 Speaker 2: which might be more if you want to explore with 48 00:02:11,754 --> 00:02:14,074 Speaker 2: trend a little bit more, adds more personality than this 49 00:02:14,154 --> 00:02:15,474 Speaker 2: would be for you. Yeah, I love that. 50 00:02:15,514 --> 00:02:16,953 Speaker 1: Hey, oh my god, I need to find those. 51 00:02:17,354 --> 00:02:20,194 Speaker 3: Not that I don't believe in the outdated section, but 52 00:02:20,354 --> 00:02:22,994 Speaker 3: I'm terrible with cleaning up my wardrobe. So oftentimes I'll 53 00:02:23,034 --> 00:02:25,554 Speaker 3: hold onto things for so long and I'll just be 54 00:02:25,594 --> 00:02:27,794 Speaker 3: able to donate. And everyone's like skinny legs bat although 55 00:02:27,794 --> 00:02:29,834 Speaker 3: they've been saying that for quite a while now, so 56 00:02:29,874 --> 00:02:31,994 Speaker 3: I've held onto all of them. But yeah, it's really 57 00:02:32,034 --> 00:02:33,194 Speaker 3: interesting to see them all together. 58 00:02:33,314 --> 00:02:34,394 Speaker 2: Yeah, it gives a good visual. 59 00:02:34,434 --> 00:02:34,954 Speaker 1: What else? 60 00:02:35,634 --> 00:02:39,434 Speaker 2: What else? There's a lot of the millennial things that 61 00:02:39,434 --> 00:02:42,394 Speaker 2: pop up on my Mine's to me too, and I'm 62 00:02:42,434 --> 00:02:44,674 Speaker 2: in that category, so I totally get it. Yes, And 63 00:02:44,674 --> 00:02:45,354 Speaker 2: there's a lot of. 64 00:02:45,314 --> 00:02:48,154 Speaker 1: I'm an elder millennial jos Okay, we're. 65 00:02:47,994 --> 00:02:50,994 Speaker 2: In the same category category. Lots of tailor denim jackets, 66 00:02:50,994 --> 00:02:53,394 Speaker 2: a cross body bags, our tucking tops in and lots 67 00:02:53,434 --> 00:02:55,634 Speaker 2: of these I guess pieces of content that are like, 68 00:02:56,434 --> 00:02:59,233 Speaker 2: don't wear this because it's millennial. And then a lot 69 00:02:59,234 --> 00:03:01,314 Speaker 2: of clients are coming to me and they're going I 70 00:03:01,354 --> 00:03:03,834 Speaker 2: feel so outdated. I feel like I'm dressing like a 71 00:03:03,874 --> 00:03:06,394 Speaker 2: millennial as if it's a bad thing. And I think 72 00:03:06,434 --> 00:03:09,034 Speaker 2: those things still have a place, just in smaller amounts 73 00:03:09,034 --> 00:03:10,274 Speaker 2: maybe than what they did before. 74 00:03:10,394 --> 00:03:11,474 Speaker 1: That's so interesting, isn't it. 75 00:03:11,514 --> 00:03:13,633 Speaker 3: So it's the younger generations that are kind of saying 76 00:03:13,754 --> 00:03:17,594 Speaker 3: this screams millennial. Yes, someone that works here at Mamma Mia. 77 00:03:17,674 --> 00:03:19,554 Speaker 3: She took a very quick clip of me in another 78 00:03:19,554 --> 00:03:21,353 Speaker 3: when we worked another building. We were having a fire drill. 79 00:03:21,394 --> 00:03:23,634 Speaker 3: We're on level eighteen. I whipped off my heels and 80 00:03:23,674 --> 00:03:26,074 Speaker 3: I chucked on some ankle socks and my sneakers, and 81 00:03:26,114 --> 00:03:27,034 Speaker 3: she was teasing me. 82 00:03:27,114 --> 00:03:28,234 Speaker 1: She uploaded at TikTok. 83 00:03:28,394 --> 00:03:30,594 Speaker 3: It's got millions and millions and millions of views because 84 00:03:30,594 --> 00:03:32,714 Speaker 3: I said, I don't care what the kids say, and 85 00:03:32,754 --> 00:03:34,474 Speaker 3: it's got all the millennials saying thank you. I'm going 86 00:03:34,554 --> 00:03:36,154 Speaker 3: to wear my ankle socks too, So it's like, you 87 00:03:36,194 --> 00:03:38,554 Speaker 3: know what I get it. I don't know about the 88 00:03:38,554 --> 00:03:40,634 Speaker 3: fit of denim jacket that I agree there. I'm into 89 00:03:40,634 --> 00:03:42,554 Speaker 3: the oversize, but it's so true and when you have 90 00:03:42,634 --> 00:03:45,114 Speaker 3: one at the first time, you're like, oh, is it 91 00:03:45,154 --> 00:03:45,874 Speaker 3: back or is it not? 92 00:03:45,874 --> 00:03:47,034 Speaker 1: Because Marches is back. 93 00:03:47,234 --> 00:03:49,074 Speaker 2: It is a little and it's kind of saying you 94 00:03:49,074 --> 00:03:51,354 Speaker 2: can wear these things and you start to feel I 95 00:03:51,354 --> 00:03:53,354 Speaker 2: guess you can feel when things don't match the fashion 96 00:03:53,394 --> 00:03:55,674 Speaker 2: that's around me, like the denim jackets for example. The 97 00:03:55,714 --> 00:03:58,634 Speaker 2: more tailored styles absolutely with your dresses and your summer 98 00:03:58,634 --> 00:04:00,834 Speaker 2: pieces and things like that. Yes, yes, but I do 99 00:04:00,874 --> 00:04:03,234 Speaker 2: think the more relaxed sort of styles now they make sense. 100 00:04:03,274 --> 00:04:05,754 Speaker 2: With the wide leg flowy pants for example. 101 00:04:05,874 --> 00:04:08,754 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so true. One fitted scan on the theaterre 102 00:04:08,754 --> 00:04:10,594 Speaker 3: that I'm holding on too. I'm oping it comes back. 103 00:04:11,034 --> 00:04:13,354 Speaker 1: Anything else on your social media that you're loving or seeing. 104 00:04:13,474 --> 00:04:15,274 Speaker 2: Yes, a lot of Hillary Duff. I know that a 105 00:04:15,354 --> 00:04:17,154 Speaker 2: few months ago she kind of popped back into the 106 00:04:17,154 --> 00:04:17,554 Speaker 2: world of this. 107 00:04:17,794 --> 00:04:18,794 Speaker 1: She's on my fee too. 108 00:04:18,914 --> 00:04:21,034 Speaker 2: Yeah, I follow her a lot because I love what 109 00:04:21,113 --> 00:04:21,553 Speaker 2: she wears. 110 00:04:21,634 --> 00:04:21,714 Speaker 3: Ye. 111 00:04:21,873 --> 00:04:26,113 Speaker 2: She was who I absolutely loved. Yeah, it was so good, 112 00:04:26,553 --> 00:04:29,313 Speaker 2: And I can see that as a stylist. I can 113 00:04:29,354 --> 00:04:32,193 Speaker 2: see her evolution of her personal style happening. And I 114 00:04:32,234 --> 00:04:34,754 Speaker 2: think that so many women get to that stage in 115 00:04:34,794 --> 00:04:37,394 Speaker 2: their thirties and forties where we're like, Okay, we need 116 00:04:37,393 --> 00:04:39,674 Speaker 2: to change things up a little bit, we need some difference, 117 00:04:40,034 --> 00:04:42,113 Speaker 2: and we go through our own style evolution there. So 118 00:04:42,154 --> 00:04:43,633 Speaker 2: I can see she's doing that and it seems to 119 00:04:43,674 --> 00:04:45,833 Speaker 2: match her energetically. Yeah, she's really. 120 00:04:45,714 --> 00:04:47,634 Speaker 3: Cool, fascinating. I wonder if she's doing that. I'm sure 121 00:04:47,674 --> 00:04:49,593 Speaker 3: she'd have a stylist for the big events. Oh my gosh, 122 00:04:49,633 --> 00:04:51,153 Speaker 3: i'd loved her too, and I love her a lot. 123 00:04:51,154 --> 00:04:53,914 Speaker 3: You're right, she's kind of our generation. We've kind of 124 00:04:53,914 --> 00:04:56,513 Speaker 3: grown up with her in her style. So before we 125 00:04:56,553 --> 00:04:58,433 Speaker 3: get to the dilemmas that you're going to help answer, 126 00:04:58,513 --> 00:05:00,834 Speaker 3: because we have had so many submitted that we can't 127 00:05:00,834 --> 00:05:02,513 Speaker 3: get to it, tell me what you're wearing today. For 128 00:05:02,513 --> 00:05:04,433 Speaker 3: those listening, they can picture it, But what are you 129 00:05:04,433 --> 00:05:07,073 Speaker 3: wearing and why did you choose that for your outfit today? 130 00:05:07,433 --> 00:05:09,873 Speaker 2: So today I am wearing a bright red top from 131 00:05:09,993 --> 00:05:11,753 Speaker 2: Mink Pink. This is a color I used to wear 132 00:05:11,794 --> 00:05:14,153 Speaker 2: a lot years ago and I loved it so much. 133 00:05:14,274 --> 00:05:17,274 Speaker 3: It's a very bright tomato primary rate. 134 00:05:17,313 --> 00:05:20,113 Speaker 2: It's super bright and I really like it. I don't 135 00:05:20,154 --> 00:05:22,313 Speaker 2: really wear a lot of color, but I love this 136 00:05:22,313 --> 00:05:24,753 Speaker 2: particular one. And then I'm wearing a pair of jeans 137 00:05:24,794 --> 00:05:26,513 Speaker 2: from H and M that are super old. Actually they're 138 00:05:26,513 --> 00:05:28,553 Speaker 2: about four years old. I think I bought them when 139 00:05:28,674 --> 00:05:31,073 Speaker 2: the genes started to shift a little bit and we 140 00:05:31,193 --> 00:05:33,234 Speaker 2: kind of moved away from skinny leg and into something 141 00:05:33,313 --> 00:05:35,914 Speaker 2: a little bit more wide, so they kind of cropped 142 00:05:35,953 --> 00:05:36,873 Speaker 2: in slightly more. 143 00:05:36,794 --> 00:05:39,113 Speaker 3: Straight white and it goes to show, you know, affordable, 144 00:05:39,433 --> 00:05:41,553 Speaker 3: it's only fast fashion if you get rid of it. 145 00:05:41,633 --> 00:05:43,674 Speaker 3: So true four years h and M and they are 146 00:05:43,753 --> 00:05:44,514 Speaker 3: they look brand. 147 00:05:44,274 --> 00:05:46,674 Speaker 2: New, thank you, Yeah, I love it. And a pair 148 00:05:46,714 --> 00:05:48,274 Speaker 2: of Billini slip on meals. 149 00:05:48,274 --> 00:05:50,474 Speaker 1: They look very comforty and very chic and very retro. 150 00:05:50,794 --> 00:05:51,154 Speaker 2: Thank you. 151 00:05:51,193 --> 00:05:53,713 Speaker 3: Coming up after the break, the most commonly asked fashion 152 00:05:53,753 --> 00:06:13,433 Speaker 3: dilemmas right now, including what smart casual actually means? Hayley, 153 00:06:13,714 --> 00:06:17,274 Speaker 3: help us, everyone needs help. We have been inundated with questions, 154 00:06:17,313 --> 00:06:19,193 Speaker 3: so hopefully we get to a lot of them. But 155 00:06:19,313 --> 00:06:23,354 Speaker 3: let's start with one that so many people had different 156 00:06:23,433 --> 00:06:27,273 Speaker 3: versions of what do I wear to a smart casual 157 00:06:27,354 --> 00:06:31,034 Speaker 3: outing or a smart casual dress code? What does smart 158 00:06:31,073 --> 00:06:33,993 Speaker 3: casual actually mean? What are examples? So? 159 00:06:34,034 --> 00:06:35,793 Speaker 2: I think this is one where a lot of women 160 00:06:35,873 --> 00:06:38,994 Speaker 2: get really stuck because we're not dressing for work. We're 161 00:06:39,034 --> 00:06:41,394 Speaker 2: not wearing our clothes down to the grocery store. It's 162 00:06:41,433 --> 00:06:43,794 Speaker 2: not that sort of category. It's this kind of weird 163 00:06:43,834 --> 00:06:46,394 Speaker 2: in between, almost like social dressing. I would call it. 164 00:06:46,834 --> 00:06:49,153 Speaker 2: So I think having the wardrobe staples that you can 165 00:06:49,154 --> 00:06:51,873 Speaker 2: always rely on naturally, Yes, your genes, a pair of boots, 166 00:06:51,873 --> 00:06:55,074 Speaker 2: a pair of sneakers, some fun fashion tops come in here. 167 00:06:55,113 --> 00:06:57,354 Speaker 2: So at the moment, that could look like a fun color, 168 00:06:57,393 --> 00:07:01,593 Speaker 2: something with an interesting neckline, lay, smash, texture, any of 169 00:07:01,633 --> 00:07:04,553 Speaker 2: that kind of category pears really easily into this sort 170 00:07:04,594 --> 00:07:07,513 Speaker 2: of space. Yes, some satin pants, a lot of those 171 00:07:07,553 --> 00:07:10,794 Speaker 2: around at the moment. It's an alternative to jeans. Leather pants, 172 00:07:10,834 --> 00:07:14,514 Speaker 2: that's another one. Some fun jackets, like your tan Swede 173 00:07:14,554 --> 00:07:17,114 Speaker 2: bomber jackets, those are starting to come around into stores 174 00:07:17,154 --> 00:07:19,754 Speaker 2: quite a bit. Yeah, it's having items that you already 175 00:07:19,754 --> 00:07:22,194 Speaker 2: owned that can fit into that category and could potentially 176 00:07:22,194 --> 00:07:24,634 Speaker 2: transfer into your work wear as well, that you can 177 00:07:24,674 --> 00:07:28,074 Speaker 2: easily put together into really simple outfits. So I guess 178 00:07:28,114 --> 00:07:30,874 Speaker 2: a formula for that might be, say your favorite jeans, 179 00:07:30,914 --> 00:07:34,074 Speaker 2: whatever cut, whatever color, they might be, your fun fashion tops, 180 00:07:34,114 --> 00:07:36,593 Speaker 2: so your texture or your colored piece, and then your 181 00:07:36,994 --> 00:07:39,833 Speaker 2: interesting boots. Maybe that's something that's like a chocolate swede 182 00:07:39,874 --> 00:07:41,954 Speaker 2: with a square toe and a low block heel. And 183 00:07:41,994 --> 00:07:44,154 Speaker 2: then maybe that's where you do your tan Swede bomber 184 00:07:44,234 --> 00:07:46,474 Speaker 2: jacket or you leather jacket or something in that kind 185 00:07:46,514 --> 00:07:47,074 Speaker 2: of category. 186 00:07:47,154 --> 00:07:47,394 Speaker 1: Yeah. 187 00:07:47,434 --> 00:07:49,554 Speaker 3: Okay, it's interesting, isn't it, Because I was saying to 188 00:07:49,554 --> 00:07:51,354 Speaker 3: you off air that like, you'll tick you know, a 189 00:07:51,393 --> 00:07:53,793 Speaker 3: lot of websites will have you know, what's the occasion 190 00:07:53,874 --> 00:07:55,554 Speaker 3: or whatever, and you tick smart casual and then you 191 00:07:55,594 --> 00:07:57,714 Speaker 3: just get such an array, and I'm like, that's more confusing. 192 00:07:57,953 --> 00:07:58,393 Speaker 1: It's funny. 193 00:07:58,393 --> 00:08:00,234 Speaker 3: I always think smart casual like jeans and a blazer, 194 00:08:00,234 --> 00:08:03,074 Speaker 3: because the casuals the jeans and the blazer is the smart. Yeah, 195 00:08:03,074 --> 00:08:04,634 Speaker 3: but it makes so much more than that, though it's 196 00:08:04,634 --> 00:08:08,674 Speaker 3: a little bit boring. Do you think footwear really plays 197 00:08:08,714 --> 00:08:11,914 Speaker 3: into what dresses an outfit up and down for smart casual? 198 00:08:12,274 --> 00:08:14,274 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I think we've seen a lot 199 00:08:14,274 --> 00:08:16,154 Speaker 2: of the sneakers around I think for so long now, 200 00:08:16,194 --> 00:08:18,834 Speaker 2: so I think having some different shoe alternatives. So maybe 201 00:08:18,874 --> 00:08:21,794 Speaker 2: at the moment that's your suede loafers. Maybe it's the 202 00:08:21,794 --> 00:08:24,114 Speaker 2: pair of ankle boots with the six centimeter block herel 203 00:08:24,154 --> 00:08:26,514 Speaker 2: so something's still really easy to kind of maneuver around it. 204 00:08:27,194 --> 00:08:29,474 Speaker 2: But yes, absolutely, I think a pair of boots, an 205 00:08:29,554 --> 00:08:33,514 Speaker 2: enclosed flat that feels good and close flat, yeah, and 206 00:08:33,594 --> 00:08:35,114 Speaker 2: enclosed flat with yeah, like your loafers. 207 00:08:35,154 --> 00:08:35,634 Speaker 1: I agree. 208 00:08:35,674 --> 00:08:38,514 Speaker 3: I think that that really pulls together your winter wardrobe 209 00:08:38,514 --> 00:08:40,794 Speaker 3: for smart casual if you don't want to go into sneakers. 210 00:08:40,794 --> 00:08:43,234 Speaker 3: But I like just calling it enclosed flat because sometimes 211 00:08:43,274 --> 00:08:44,594 Speaker 3: if I say a loafer, people are like, well I 212 00:08:44,594 --> 00:08:45,754 Speaker 3: can't do that, and I'm like, we'll. 213 00:08:45,594 --> 00:08:46,514 Speaker 1: Do a ballet flat, you know. 214 00:08:46,794 --> 00:08:49,474 Speaker 3: Yeah, closed flat is a nice general term for that 215 00:08:49,554 --> 00:08:50,634 Speaker 3: shoe that's not a sneaker. 216 00:08:50,914 --> 00:08:52,354 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good category. 217 00:08:52,434 --> 00:08:54,034 Speaker 1: I mean it's still a very broad category. 218 00:08:54,114 --> 00:08:54,714 Speaker 2: It is, isn't it. 219 00:08:54,874 --> 00:08:57,794 Speaker 1: You do an ebook, use something, So loafers are everywhere. 220 00:08:57,874 --> 00:09:00,794 Speaker 3: Everyone's obsessed. So the number one question how do we 221 00:09:00,834 --> 00:09:02,034 Speaker 3: style our loafers for winter? 222 00:09:02,474 --> 00:09:04,794 Speaker 2: If we were to say the most wearable option, I 223 00:09:04,794 --> 00:09:08,314 Speaker 2: would say something that is really streamlined, So big, chunky hardware, 224 00:09:08,914 --> 00:09:11,594 Speaker 2: quite heavy loafers. You're going to get way more use 225 00:09:11,634 --> 00:09:13,834 Speaker 2: out of something way more streamlined. So look for some 226 00:09:13,874 --> 00:09:17,354 Speaker 2: brushing around, for edges, look for some texture, so whether 227 00:09:17,394 --> 00:09:19,874 Speaker 2: that is swayed or patent, they'll look like a feature 228 00:09:19,874 --> 00:09:22,114 Speaker 2: of your outfit and not like an afterthought. 229 00:09:21,794 --> 00:09:24,514 Speaker 3: Not just the plan, like I guess normal leather that 230 00:09:24,554 --> 00:09:25,674 Speaker 3: could look a bit like a school. 231 00:09:25,434 --> 00:09:28,474 Speaker 2: Shoe, yes, exactly, And no, I wouldn't do any socks 232 00:09:28,514 --> 00:09:29,994 Speaker 2: with those. I would do absolutely no. 233 00:09:30,314 --> 00:09:31,713 Speaker 3: So I'm glad you said that because I wear a 234 00:09:31,714 --> 00:09:33,514 Speaker 3: lot of Maxi skirts and loafers, but I don't do 235 00:09:33,554 --> 00:09:33,834 Speaker 3: a sock. 236 00:09:33,834 --> 00:09:34,994 Speaker 1: And then I just thought, oh my god, God, she 237 00:09:35,114 --> 00:09:36,594 Speaker 1: said that. But I mean, do what you want. 238 00:09:36,754 --> 00:09:40,034 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maybe it's a question around getting hot 239 00:09:40,114 --> 00:09:42,354 Speaker 2: in the loafers, so maybe a socket or something that 240 00:09:42,394 --> 00:09:45,434 Speaker 2: you don't see totally fine. I think another way around 241 00:09:45,434 --> 00:09:47,194 Speaker 2: that though, could be like a slip on loafer, which 242 00:09:47,234 --> 00:09:51,514 Speaker 2: we've seen previously before, and with the backless sort of yeah, yeah, 243 00:09:51,554 --> 00:09:53,314 Speaker 2: that you might do with skirts. 244 00:09:53,674 --> 00:09:55,874 Speaker 1: So true. I mean silhouette might yeah, exactly. 245 00:09:55,954 --> 00:09:58,154 Speaker 3: Kind of looks a little bit less harsh if it's 246 00:09:58,154 --> 00:09:59,474 Speaker 3: not the full shoe. 247 00:09:59,794 --> 00:10:02,874 Speaker 2: Yeah, so more streamlined, I would say, rather than chunky texture. 248 00:10:02,994 --> 00:10:06,034 Speaker 3: There's pant length, I guess kind of length. I mean 249 00:10:06,034 --> 00:10:07,794 Speaker 3: that depends on your height as well, but also cut. 250 00:10:07,914 --> 00:10:09,954 Speaker 3: Do you think that it matters if you're doing different 251 00:10:09,994 --> 00:10:12,194 Speaker 3: sort of cuts or fabrics or styles of pants. 252 00:10:12,594 --> 00:10:15,353 Speaker 2: I think if you're doing say we're doing a streamlined 253 00:10:15,514 --> 00:10:18,474 Speaker 2: suede loafer, for example, I think that would pair best 254 00:10:18,514 --> 00:10:20,914 Speaker 2: with denim. The fabric of the swede and the denim 255 00:10:20,954 --> 00:10:22,833 Speaker 2: together works really nicely, and I would do more of 256 00:10:22,874 --> 00:10:25,154 Speaker 2: a cropped sort of style with that rather than a 257 00:10:25,154 --> 00:10:27,434 Speaker 2: denim that flows over the loafer. I think they can 258 00:10:27,474 --> 00:10:32,154 Speaker 2: feel a little bit harsh and heavy for most styles anyway. Yes, 259 00:10:32,434 --> 00:10:34,474 Speaker 2: and then if it was a loafer that maybe you're 260 00:10:34,474 --> 00:10:37,714 Speaker 2: wearing to work, maybe this is your more patent black loafer, 261 00:10:38,354 --> 00:10:41,594 Speaker 2: I would recommend doing a long, flowy, wide leg pant 262 00:10:41,674 --> 00:10:44,434 Speaker 2: in gray or a darker kind of colour tone. So yeah, 263 00:10:44,514 --> 00:10:47,274 Speaker 2: dark gray, charcoal, black, any of those sorts of shades. 264 00:10:47,354 --> 00:10:49,034 Speaker 2: They kind of just fall over the shoe and you'll 265 00:10:49,034 --> 00:10:50,674 Speaker 2: just get that little peek through of the texture and 266 00:10:50,754 --> 00:10:51,994 Speaker 2: maybe some rooting around the top. 267 00:10:52,154 --> 00:10:53,154 Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, I love that. 268 00:10:53,234 --> 00:10:54,594 Speaker 3: Well. I was going to ask you about brands, but 269 00:10:54,634 --> 00:10:55,874 Speaker 3: I think you're going to tell us a bit more 270 00:10:55,874 --> 00:11:00,434 Speaker 3: about some loafers later. So next question. Someone wants the 271 00:11:00,474 --> 00:11:03,434 Speaker 3: Goldilocks of bags. So a stylish bag but they can 272 00:11:03,474 --> 00:11:06,034 Speaker 3: take it to work. It fits lunch and laptop, but 273 00:11:06,114 --> 00:11:08,754 Speaker 3: it's not a daggy back or a briefcase. I mean, 274 00:11:09,354 --> 00:11:11,994 Speaker 3: I think briefcases are cool, so cool workbags. 275 00:11:12,234 --> 00:11:14,594 Speaker 2: Okay, So there's one that I've come across a lot 276 00:11:14,634 --> 00:11:16,514 Speaker 2: at the moment. It is actually a backpack, but it's 277 00:11:16,514 --> 00:11:18,954 Speaker 2: neoprene and it comes in some really nice colourways too. 278 00:11:18,954 --> 00:11:22,154 Speaker 2: It's by Prene the brand, and it's called the Haven Backpack. 279 00:11:22,354 --> 00:11:24,674 Speaker 2: So I've started to see this coming into David Jones' 280 00:11:24,834 --> 00:11:27,234 Speaker 2: iconic a few stores online and a couple of clients 281 00:11:27,274 --> 00:11:29,314 Speaker 2: have bought this and they absolutely love it because it 282 00:11:29,394 --> 00:11:33,114 Speaker 2: replaces their daggy backpack. Okay, but it still feels really practical. 283 00:11:33,114 --> 00:11:35,754 Speaker 2: They can fit absolutely everything in there, and it's really lightweight. 284 00:11:36,074 --> 00:11:37,154 Speaker 1: I need one of those. 285 00:11:37,234 --> 00:11:39,194 Speaker 2: They're really nice. Actually they're really cool. 286 00:11:38,954 --> 00:11:41,114 Speaker 1: But I'll look like Dora the Explorer. I know, I'm joking. 287 00:11:41,114 --> 00:11:42,834 Speaker 3: My back needs a backpack. So it's good to know 288 00:11:42,874 --> 00:11:45,394 Speaker 3: that they're not all really dag anymore. This is one 289 00:11:45,394 --> 00:11:47,634 Speaker 3: that I desperately need help with, and I kind of know, 290 00:11:47,754 --> 00:11:49,674 Speaker 3: but then I don't know. How can I tell the 291 00:11:49,674 --> 00:11:52,154 Speaker 3: difference between a knit that's going to last more than 292 00:11:52,194 --> 00:11:54,554 Speaker 3: one season and a knit that will ball after one 293 00:11:54,594 --> 00:11:57,114 Speaker 3: Where any point is on what I should be looking 294 00:11:57,154 --> 00:12:00,234 Speaker 3: for on the tag re materials and composition, that would 295 00:12:00,274 --> 00:12:01,314 Speaker 3: be helpful. 296 00:12:01,554 --> 00:12:05,114 Speaker 2: So ideally, anything that has cotton to it will last 297 00:12:05,314 --> 00:12:08,914 Speaker 2: way longer than anything that doesn't. I would avoid your 298 00:12:09,074 --> 00:12:12,114 Speaker 2: acrylics and polyesters. They will just ball up really quickly, 299 00:12:12,954 --> 00:12:15,834 Speaker 2: but so can wool, and so can cashmir too, so 300 00:12:15,914 --> 00:12:16,953 Speaker 2: that's still going to happen. 301 00:12:17,074 --> 00:12:18,154 Speaker 1: That's what's confused me. 302 00:12:18,194 --> 00:12:20,194 Speaker 3: I've got some that are, you know, really affordable and 303 00:12:20,234 --> 00:12:22,114 Speaker 3: some that are really expensive, so it's not always a 304 00:12:22,114 --> 00:12:23,234 Speaker 3: price tag thing as well. 305 00:12:23,434 --> 00:12:25,394 Speaker 2: Exactly. I think it's a big fabric thing. I think 306 00:12:25,394 --> 00:12:28,354 Speaker 2: wherever you can get cotton based netwear or a composition 307 00:12:28,394 --> 00:12:31,154 Speaker 2: of cotton within the nitwear, the weave is different. So 308 00:12:31,194 --> 00:12:33,234 Speaker 2: it's just a thicker weave, it can't possibly ball in 309 00:12:33,234 --> 00:12:35,794 Speaker 2: the same kind of way. And I also think for 310 00:12:36,194 --> 00:12:39,874 Speaker 2: seasons where it is a little bit more transitional, having cotton, 311 00:12:39,914 --> 00:12:41,074 Speaker 2: you'll be able to wear it for most months of 312 00:12:41,074 --> 00:12:42,994 Speaker 2: the year. It's not just your heavy winter piece. 313 00:12:43,114 --> 00:12:45,274 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exactly. It's not too warm in that. 314 00:12:45,354 --> 00:12:47,354 Speaker 3: You know, a cashmere and a wall could be very warm, 315 00:12:47,434 --> 00:12:49,314 Speaker 3: and sometimes the synthetics can be very sweaty. 316 00:12:49,394 --> 00:12:51,714 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, it's not freezy. I agree. 317 00:12:51,714 --> 00:12:53,234 Speaker 3: And you know what, I bought one of those shavers 318 00:12:53,514 --> 00:12:56,354 Speaker 3: and I shaved the little balls off and it's quite satisfying. 319 00:12:56,354 --> 00:12:58,154 Speaker 3: But you don't want to be doing that, particularly if 320 00:12:58,234 --> 00:13:00,074 Speaker 3: you've worn something once or. 321 00:13:00,034 --> 00:13:00,754 Speaker 1: It was expensive. 322 00:13:00,834 --> 00:13:03,274 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, cotton in our knits, okay, good to know, 323 00:13:03,354 --> 00:13:05,554 Speaker 3: not just in our summer T shirts. We had about 324 00:13:05,714 --> 00:13:09,674 Speaker 3: ten thousand questions about of all different sort of conundrums 325 00:13:09,674 --> 00:13:12,794 Speaker 3: and questions. But let's just talk generally about layering. I 326 00:13:12,794 --> 00:13:15,074 Speaker 3: guess for the cooler months, what do you get asked 327 00:13:15,074 --> 00:13:16,514 Speaker 3: by your clients and what are your tips? 328 00:13:16,754 --> 00:13:19,314 Speaker 2: So I think a lot of clients feel like they 329 00:13:19,354 --> 00:13:21,474 Speaker 2: struggle with layering. It lets down the rest of their outfit. 330 00:13:21,554 --> 00:13:23,354 Speaker 2: So they might have this awesome outfit that they're really 331 00:13:23,434 --> 00:13:25,554 Speaker 2: excited to wear, but they need to have a layer 332 00:13:25,594 --> 00:13:27,234 Speaker 2: and they're like, okay, well what do I actually do? 333 00:13:27,234 --> 00:13:28,954 Speaker 2: So they throw on whatever they've got and it doesn't 334 00:13:28,994 --> 00:13:31,634 Speaker 2: feel quite right. So I think the first part is 335 00:13:31,674 --> 00:13:34,194 Speaker 2: making sure you've got the options there. I think that's 336 00:13:34,234 --> 00:13:36,434 Speaker 2: a huge, huge thing because you'll be more likely to 337 00:13:36,434 --> 00:13:38,274 Speaker 2: pull out those pieces and actually wear those. 338 00:13:38,354 --> 00:13:38,554 Speaker 1: Yeah. 339 00:13:38,794 --> 00:13:41,314 Speaker 2: So I think a denim jacket would be useful, a 340 00:13:41,394 --> 00:13:44,834 Speaker 2: leather jacket, a blazer that feels like it can transition 341 00:13:44,954 --> 00:13:48,514 Speaker 2: between work and smart casual. So that would be say 342 00:13:48,554 --> 00:13:51,833 Speaker 2: something check print or hound's tooth or textured rather than 343 00:13:51,914 --> 00:13:54,394 Speaker 2: your traditional corporate blazer that might look like it's part 344 00:13:54,434 --> 00:13:56,354 Speaker 2: of a suit set and you didn't do the pants. 345 00:13:56,594 --> 00:13:58,794 Speaker 2: So having something with a bit more texture to it 346 00:13:58,874 --> 00:14:01,634 Speaker 2: generally more wearable. And then I also think having a 347 00:14:01,674 --> 00:14:04,914 Speaker 2: more smart, casual all rounder jacket, and this, I think 348 00:14:04,954 --> 00:14:06,674 Speaker 2: is where the part of trend can kind of come 349 00:14:06,674 --> 00:14:08,874 Speaker 2: in a little. So something with a funnel neck or 350 00:14:09,154 --> 00:14:11,954 Speaker 2: a cropped bomber jacket or something that feels kind of 351 00:14:11,994 --> 00:14:14,914 Speaker 2: like that in between casual still a little bit of 352 00:14:14,954 --> 00:14:17,434 Speaker 2: dressiness to it though, and I think that's where you 353 00:14:17,474 --> 00:14:19,274 Speaker 2: can say, say, it's a dressy kind of cut, so 354 00:14:19,354 --> 00:14:21,514 Speaker 2: it might have a collar, maybe a bit of detail 355 00:14:21,514 --> 00:14:24,714 Speaker 2: around the waist, but then the fabric is really casual. 356 00:14:24,834 --> 00:14:26,634 Speaker 2: Yeah it's like cotton twill or something. 357 00:14:26,754 --> 00:14:26,954 Speaker 3: Yeah. 358 00:14:26,994 --> 00:14:28,034 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So it gives. 359 00:14:27,874 --> 00:14:30,714 Speaker 2: You this flexibility that falls straight into that smart casual. 360 00:14:30,794 --> 00:14:33,074 Speaker 3: Yeah. I'll say one thing, but the fabric says another, 361 00:14:33,154 --> 00:14:35,034 Speaker 3: and then it kind of makes it more wearable to 362 00:14:35,114 --> 00:14:38,474 Speaker 3: more places. Exactly, Yes, perfect description underneath this is my 363 00:14:38,594 --> 00:14:40,954 Speaker 3: problem and I'm going to help myself solve it and 364 00:14:40,954 --> 00:14:44,074 Speaker 3: bougie and budget later. But I feel like I love jackets. 365 00:14:44,074 --> 00:14:46,154 Speaker 3: I love lightweight jackets and him jackets. Like you said, 366 00:14:46,274 --> 00:14:48,834 Speaker 3: you know, win sheet is any jacket. I want to 367 00:14:48,834 --> 00:14:50,554 Speaker 3: wear them all the time, but it's oftentimes I'll put 368 00:14:50,594 --> 00:14:52,034 Speaker 3: the jean and the jacket. I'm like, yeah, but then 369 00:14:52,074 --> 00:14:54,834 Speaker 3: I'm going to a restaurant or the office that's quite warm, 370 00:14:54,914 --> 00:14:56,754 Speaker 3: and I'm like, well, I have to care what's underneath 371 00:14:56,754 --> 00:14:58,714 Speaker 3: the jacket because it can't be the top in and 372 00:14:58,754 --> 00:15:01,194 Speaker 3: of itself. What do you look for when you're looking 373 00:15:01,194 --> 00:15:03,434 Speaker 3: for that, like underlayer, the basic layer? Do you just 374 00:15:03,474 --> 00:15:05,274 Speaker 3: go for comfort or warmth? 375 00:15:05,754 --> 00:15:08,234 Speaker 2: I would do something that still feels nice when you 376 00:15:08,274 --> 00:15:11,674 Speaker 2: take the jacket off, so still having Yeah, And I 377 00:15:11,714 --> 00:15:14,114 Speaker 2: think if you wanted to keep the jacket on all day, yeah, cool. 378 00:15:14,154 --> 00:15:17,594 Speaker 2: But maybe that's more like a thick strapped, scooped V 379 00:15:17,714 --> 00:15:20,634 Speaker 2: neck sort of tank top underneath. That would make sense. 380 00:15:20,674 --> 00:15:22,434 Speaker 2: And that is kind of practical to be able to 381 00:15:22,474 --> 00:15:24,074 Speaker 2: wear under a jacket or a blazer all day. 382 00:15:24,114 --> 00:15:25,874 Speaker 3: It's true, that's what I'm doing wrong. I'm trying to 383 00:15:25,874 --> 00:15:28,074 Speaker 3: wear something long sleeve because it's winter. Yeah, when it 384 00:15:28,114 --> 00:15:31,034 Speaker 3: gets hot, the jacket's the top. Think of the tank 385 00:15:31,074 --> 00:15:33,074 Speaker 3: as kind of like if you have to take it off, 386 00:15:33,114 --> 00:15:35,594 Speaker 3: it's okay. Yeah, but the top is the jacket, Yes, 387 00:15:35,754 --> 00:15:38,634 Speaker 3: but if not having a top off without it on itself, having. 388 00:15:38,514 --> 00:15:40,714 Speaker 2: A top that still feels nice I think is important. 389 00:15:40,754 --> 00:15:44,474 Speaker 2: So cool necklines, interesting color tones, more fitted in the 390 00:15:44,474 --> 00:15:46,114 Speaker 2: fabric so that it doesn't feel bulky. 391 00:15:46,234 --> 00:15:47,114 Speaker 1: Yes, that's so true. 392 00:15:47,114 --> 00:15:48,994 Speaker 3: I know sometimes I pull it like an old pajama 393 00:15:49,034 --> 00:15:51,314 Speaker 3: top so that you know, literally can't see it under 394 00:15:51,314 --> 00:15:52,674 Speaker 3: the neckline of the jacket. And then I get someone 395 00:15:52,794 --> 00:15:54,274 Speaker 3: like I'm going to pass out. I'm so hot, but 396 00:15:54,354 --> 00:15:56,754 Speaker 3: this thing underneath is not for public consumption. 397 00:15:57,194 --> 00:15:58,954 Speaker 1: The tank. You've saved my life. 398 00:15:59,354 --> 00:16:02,034 Speaker 3: So someone on Instagram sent me a DM saying, please 399 00:16:02,074 --> 00:16:04,794 Speaker 3: please please help me with jeans I haven't worn for 400 00:16:04,874 --> 00:16:08,274 Speaker 3: five years, and if it's not an elastic waistband, I 401 00:16:08,354 --> 00:16:10,714 Speaker 3: don't like it. I just want a pair of mum jeans, 402 00:16:10,754 --> 00:16:14,114 Speaker 3: but I want to feel really good in them and comfortable. Hmm, 403 00:16:14,434 --> 00:16:16,954 Speaker 3: elastic waistband. I'm going to tell this person to not 404 00:16:16,954 --> 00:16:19,034 Speaker 3: get an elastic waistband, but you're the expert. 405 00:16:19,114 --> 00:16:19,794 Speaker 1: What do you say. 406 00:16:19,954 --> 00:16:22,314 Speaker 2: I kind of agree. I think an elastic waistband on 407 00:16:22,394 --> 00:16:24,354 Speaker 2: jeans you're just going to get some stretch. It's going 408 00:16:24,394 --> 00:16:26,594 Speaker 2: to be hard to style. They're not going to have 409 00:16:26,634 --> 00:16:29,314 Speaker 2: that secure kind of fit that we want through gene. 410 00:16:29,314 --> 00:16:31,434 Speaker 1: They're trying to be something else and look like a gene. 411 00:16:31,554 --> 00:16:34,394 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've seen a few retailers do, like 412 00:16:34,554 --> 00:16:36,794 Speaker 2: just jeans Kmart, some of the more affordable sorts of 413 00:16:36,794 --> 00:16:39,594 Speaker 2: brands do some chambre looking pants, so they kind of 414 00:16:39,594 --> 00:16:43,194 Speaker 2: look like gens with elastic waistband. Yes, that can be 415 00:16:43,274 --> 00:16:45,674 Speaker 2: kind of cool. Yes, as an alternative to jeans. Yeah, 416 00:16:45,714 --> 00:16:48,554 Speaker 2: but if we're just looking at jeans particularly, then I 417 00:16:48,594 --> 00:16:52,594 Speaker 2: would recommend looking for something with a thicker than standard waistband. 418 00:16:52,994 --> 00:16:55,714 Speaker 2: So that can be something that might have a thicker 419 00:16:55,714 --> 00:17:00,434 Speaker 2: waistband that's about say, about two inches at least in height, Yes, 420 00:17:00,554 --> 00:17:02,714 Speaker 2: so that you'll get that kind of it'll sit in 421 00:17:02,714 --> 00:17:05,394 Speaker 2: the curve of your back. They'll sit really securely around 422 00:17:05,674 --> 00:17:06,954 Speaker 2: kind of just underneath the belly button. 423 00:17:07,154 --> 00:17:09,593 Speaker 1: So I need to huggin and yeah, it does I 424 00:17:09,674 --> 00:17:11,154 Speaker 1: know exactly the style you mean. 425 00:17:11,154 --> 00:17:13,354 Speaker 2: Yeah, rather than something thin that kind of rolls over 426 00:17:13,434 --> 00:17:16,994 Speaker 2: and stretches out of fabric, yeah pretty quickly. But yes, 427 00:17:17,114 --> 00:17:19,954 Speaker 2: the thicker than standard waistband, having them fit from your 428 00:17:20,034 --> 00:17:23,314 Speaker 2: waist to about your kind of mid thigh is important. 429 00:17:23,394 --> 00:17:25,114 Speaker 2: I think that gives you the shape and the security, 430 00:17:25,154 --> 00:17:27,154 Speaker 2: and it's also easy for you to layer and do 431 00:17:27,194 --> 00:17:30,793 Speaker 2: different tops with yes and a fabric that is a 432 00:17:30,834 --> 00:17:33,313 Speaker 2: little bit more with a slight bit of a lasting 433 00:17:33,394 --> 00:17:33,634 Speaker 2: to it. 434 00:17:33,714 --> 00:17:36,674 Speaker 1: That's what I always think. Yeah, so something. 435 00:17:36,514 --> 00:17:38,833 Speaker 2: Kind of in that in between. I would recommend brands 436 00:17:38,874 --> 00:17:42,074 Speaker 2: like New like an EUW that's a really good denin brand. 437 00:17:42,434 --> 00:17:45,594 Speaker 2: A brand is really good too. The Cuba jeans are. 438 00:17:45,474 --> 00:17:47,954 Speaker 3: Great, a little bit tuber again, I mean never that 439 00:17:47,994 --> 00:17:50,234 Speaker 3: I wasn't, but this winter and that sees them before, 440 00:17:50,314 --> 00:17:53,474 Speaker 3: I'm just like, wow, it's amazing. Yeah, I was going 441 00:17:53,554 --> 00:17:56,154 Speaker 3: to say too, because I look, I will die in jeans. 442 00:17:56,194 --> 00:17:58,354 Speaker 3: I have far too many jeans as opposed to days 443 00:17:58,354 --> 00:18:00,234 Speaker 3: ahead of me because I've got I just love them. 444 00:18:00,474 --> 00:18:02,514 Speaker 3: But I think for this lovely lady, if it's about comfort, 445 00:18:02,514 --> 00:18:04,714 Speaker 3: there's really good ranges. I think Target does one, h 446 00:18:04,754 --> 00:18:06,834 Speaker 3: and M does one. I think you said just jeans, 447 00:18:06,834 --> 00:18:09,354 Speaker 3: and it's like they call them almost like it's like 448 00:18:09,434 --> 00:18:12,234 Speaker 3: shape your body or shape me or yeah, that kind 449 00:18:12,274 --> 00:18:15,274 Speaker 3: of thing, and they do. They are kind of meant 450 00:18:15,274 --> 00:18:18,074 Speaker 3: to make the silhouette look more flattering, but they're not uncomfortable. 451 00:18:18,074 --> 00:18:20,234 Speaker 3: They're very comfortable because if you get the right cut 452 00:18:20,234 --> 00:18:22,674 Speaker 3: and fit. They do kind of hug you, but not 453 00:18:22,714 --> 00:18:26,114 Speaker 3: in that rigid one hundred percent cotton denim way which 454 00:18:26,154 --> 00:18:28,074 Speaker 3: can sometimes feel like you're wearing sort of like a 455 00:18:28,114 --> 00:18:30,754 Speaker 3: chastity belt or you know, a corset. They kind of 456 00:18:30,834 --> 00:18:33,874 Speaker 3: do feel as comfortable as an elastic waste because the 457 00:18:33,914 --> 00:18:37,354 Speaker 3: elastine in the denim. Yes, yeah, I have an old 458 00:18:37,354 --> 00:18:39,074 Speaker 3: pair the car I don't love the cut anymore, but 459 00:18:39,114 --> 00:18:41,674 Speaker 3: I loved how they made me feel and they felt 460 00:18:41,794 --> 00:18:42,314 Speaker 3: wearing them. 461 00:18:42,634 --> 00:18:44,194 Speaker 1: So maybe she could look into something like that. 462 00:18:44,314 --> 00:18:46,314 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that gives her a good mix of brands. 463 00:18:46,314 --> 00:18:48,994 Speaker 1: Too mixed too, this lovely listener. 464 00:18:49,074 --> 00:18:51,034 Speaker 3: I mean everyone has this dilemma. I think me too. 465 00:18:51,274 --> 00:18:54,514 Speaker 3: But when it comes to getting pants hemmed professionally, how 466 00:18:54,554 --> 00:18:56,594 Speaker 3: do you know what to ask for? Is there a 467 00:18:56,754 --> 00:19:00,234 Speaker 3: right length so they still sit nicely? I think she 468 00:19:00,314 --> 00:19:02,594 Speaker 3: wants to be able to wear flats and heels. 469 00:19:03,114 --> 00:19:04,274 Speaker 1: Are we asking too much? 470 00:19:04,634 --> 00:19:04,714 Speaker 3: No? 471 00:19:04,834 --> 00:19:06,234 Speaker 2: I think that's definitely doable. 472 00:19:06,514 --> 00:19:06,714 Speaker 3: Yeah. 473 00:19:06,914 --> 00:19:09,954 Speaker 2: I would say, where the pants or the jeans to 474 00:19:10,474 --> 00:19:13,033 Speaker 2: get altered in your flattest of shoes, so that might 475 00:19:13,074 --> 00:19:15,474 Speaker 2: be a slip on slide and if they work okay 476 00:19:15,474 --> 00:19:18,874 Speaker 2: with those, they'll work with sneakers with enclosed flats. Yes, 477 00:19:18,874 --> 00:19:20,714 Speaker 2: with a pair of boots, with a pair of heels, 478 00:19:21,194 --> 00:19:23,474 Speaker 2: and I would aim to get them taken up about 479 00:19:23,474 --> 00:19:25,914 Speaker 2: an inch off the floor. Okay, So that way they're 480 00:19:25,954 --> 00:19:28,394 Speaker 2: not going to drag across the floor and get ruined. Yes, 481 00:19:28,434 --> 00:19:30,634 Speaker 2: but they're also going to show whatever shoes you're still wearing. 482 00:19:31,034 --> 00:19:32,434 Speaker 3: So with the heel, I mean, I guess if you 483 00:19:32,434 --> 00:19:33,674 Speaker 3: put a heel on, you don't think I guess it 484 00:19:33,714 --> 00:19:36,074 Speaker 3: could just look kind of cropped, not cropped, but I 485 00:19:36,074 --> 00:19:39,073 Speaker 3: guess enough to show off your foot wear instead of 486 00:19:39,154 --> 00:19:42,354 Speaker 3: puddling over it. Then you couldn't even wear flats. Yes, okay, 487 00:19:42,394 --> 00:19:45,834 Speaker 3: So flats are the most important because once you go up, 488 00:19:46,154 --> 00:19:46,874 Speaker 3: they're not gonna drag. 489 00:19:47,034 --> 00:19:47,394 Speaker 1: I get it. 490 00:19:47,434 --> 00:19:48,714 Speaker 3: So start with the flats because then you're not going 491 00:19:48,754 --> 00:19:50,714 Speaker 3: to ruin the pants. I've done it the other way around. 492 00:19:50,714 --> 00:19:53,354 Speaker 3: I've always taken my heels because usually if I'm only 493 00:19:53,474 --> 00:19:55,674 Speaker 3: if I'm paying t at pants tailored, it's because I 494 00:19:55,674 --> 00:19:57,793 Speaker 3: want to wear them nice enough to wear someone with heels, 495 00:19:58,194 --> 00:19:59,714 Speaker 3: And the next time you're gonna put them on with flats, 496 00:19:59,714 --> 00:20:00,994 Speaker 3: you're likelyse is still too long. 497 00:20:01,474 --> 00:20:03,674 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can give you a little bit wear ability. 498 00:20:03,754 --> 00:20:05,874 Speaker 1: Yes, I love that I'm doing everything backwards. 499 00:20:06,314 --> 00:20:08,994 Speaker 3: Okay, after the break, Hayley, you have literally scoured the 500 00:20:08,994 --> 00:20:11,313 Speaker 3: shops and you've got three pairs of loafers to tell 501 00:20:11,394 --> 00:20:30,354 Speaker 3: us about. Okay, boogie two budget. So if anyone's new here, 502 00:20:30,394 --> 00:20:33,874 Speaker 3: we now do three products, something affordable, something mid range, 503 00:20:33,874 --> 00:20:37,114 Speaker 3: and something high end. In the one category, I'm going 504 00:20:37,114 --> 00:20:40,554 Speaker 3: to do what I'm calling basic butt transformative winter tops. 505 00:20:40,554 --> 00:20:43,354 Speaker 3: But let's start with the loafers. What's your affordable pick? 506 00:20:43,634 --> 00:20:46,514 Speaker 2: So this is a category I've researched heavily across all 507 00:20:46,514 --> 00:20:48,874 Speaker 2: the stores for clients. It's a category they really want 508 00:20:48,914 --> 00:20:51,194 Speaker 2: at the moment. Yes, So I have found a really 509 00:20:51,194 --> 00:20:53,754 Speaker 2: good pair of Billini. There are one hundred dollars and 510 00:20:53,914 --> 00:20:58,033 Speaker 2: they are this beautiful patent high shine slip on loafer 511 00:20:58,234 --> 00:21:01,114 Speaker 2: with a back, and they've got rooching around the sides 512 00:21:01,554 --> 00:21:04,354 Speaker 2: and they look way more expensive than one hundred dollars. 513 00:21:04,594 --> 00:21:06,834 Speaker 2: Really comfy too, I think, is just such a great thing. 514 00:21:07,474 --> 00:21:08,914 Speaker 1: You're going to put them through their paces and you 515 00:21:08,914 --> 00:21:10,793 Speaker 1: want them to be comfy, and sometimes you think, oh, 516 00:21:10,914 --> 00:21:13,674 Speaker 1: can they be coffee if they're affordable, But they can exactly. 517 00:21:13,674 --> 00:21:15,634 Speaker 2: And these are a bit more feminine too, so unlike them, 518 00:21:15,674 --> 00:21:17,914 Speaker 2: they're the Zachi loafers from Billini. 519 00:21:17,994 --> 00:21:19,954 Speaker 3: Okay, there's a Bilini right near us here at Mamma may, 520 00:21:19,994 --> 00:21:20,874 Speaker 3: I might be popping down. 521 00:21:20,994 --> 00:21:22,394 Speaker 1: What is your mid range pick? 522 00:21:22,794 --> 00:21:25,314 Speaker 2: My mid range pick is a pair from bets. BET's 523 00:21:25,314 --> 00:21:28,034 Speaker 2: still a really nice leather range and they're only about 524 00:21:28,034 --> 00:21:30,354 Speaker 2: two hundred dollars, so they're not too high up into 525 00:21:30,354 --> 00:21:31,954 Speaker 2: a mid range kind of sector at all. I think 526 00:21:31,954 --> 00:21:35,634 Speaker 2: they're still really reasonably christ and they do a really 527 00:21:35,714 --> 00:21:39,154 Speaker 2: nice chocolate swede, so really good color tone. It's not orange, 528 00:21:39,154 --> 00:21:41,394 Speaker 2: it's not honey tone, it's just this really nice in between. 529 00:21:41,674 --> 00:21:43,714 Speaker 2: And they've got the rousing as well. They're a little 530 00:21:43,754 --> 00:21:45,834 Speaker 2: bit more casual, so for your jeans in your more 531 00:21:45,874 --> 00:21:47,914 Speaker 2: casual kind of days, that can work really nicely. 532 00:21:48,074 --> 00:21:50,274 Speaker 1: Okay, and then all right, hit me, what's your high 533 00:21:50,394 --> 00:21:50,914 Speaker 1: end loafer? 534 00:21:51,234 --> 00:21:53,033 Speaker 2: So if you were to spend quite a bit of 535 00:21:53,034 --> 00:21:55,314 Speaker 2: money on a pair of loafers, I would recommend something 536 00:21:55,314 --> 00:21:56,954 Speaker 2: that you can wear for most months of the year. 537 00:21:57,274 --> 00:21:59,874 Speaker 2: So Vasaci do a pair called I think it's called 538 00:21:59,914 --> 00:22:03,114 Speaker 2: the Sabbat and they are a slip on pair that 539 00:22:03,194 --> 00:22:04,994 Speaker 2: have no back to them. They've got a little bit 540 00:22:04,994 --> 00:22:07,074 Speaker 2: of gold hardware on the front, and they've just got 541 00:22:07,194 --> 00:22:09,273 Speaker 2: a really neat kind of toe. So if you're doing 542 00:22:09,554 --> 00:22:11,914 Speaker 2: floy pants, they'll work. If you're doing a slipskirt, they'll work. 543 00:22:11,994 --> 00:22:14,954 Speaker 2: Jeans they'll go really well. Even summer dresses and pieces 544 00:22:14,994 --> 00:22:16,513 Speaker 2: like that, they can still pair nicely with. 545 00:22:16,674 --> 00:22:18,194 Speaker 3: I do love a slip on. You literally kick them 546 00:22:18,194 --> 00:22:19,234 Speaker 3: off at the door and off you go, or you 547 00:22:19,314 --> 00:22:21,314 Speaker 3: quickly slide them on. I've got a few pairs that 548 00:22:21,354 --> 00:22:23,314 Speaker 3: I actually need to get out of rotation and get 549 00:22:23,314 --> 00:22:24,994 Speaker 3: in my winter what was gonna say in my winto 550 00:22:24,994 --> 00:22:26,514 Speaker 3: wardrobe at my winter front door. 551 00:22:26,834 --> 00:22:27,474 Speaker 2: It's so easy. 552 00:22:27,674 --> 00:22:30,674 Speaker 3: They're so easy, Okay, so basic, but transformative winter tops. 553 00:22:30,834 --> 00:22:32,874 Speaker 3: This is the category I never shop for because it's 554 00:22:32,914 --> 00:22:35,793 Speaker 3: so boring. I'm basically talking about long sleeve tops, but 555 00:22:35,914 --> 00:22:38,314 Speaker 3: you need them to pull the wardrobe together, I think 556 00:22:38,354 --> 00:22:42,434 Speaker 3: for this season. So the H and M turtleneck Viscos top. 557 00:22:42,474 --> 00:22:44,834 Speaker 3: There's two colors, but I love the dark purple. It's 558 00:22:44,914 --> 00:22:48,314 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine. It's very normal, Kamalie. It's kind of 559 00:22:48,354 --> 00:22:50,234 Speaker 3: like a bit of a high neck. It's just very 560 00:22:50,394 --> 00:22:53,114 Speaker 3: When I say boring, I just mean basic but straight 561 00:22:53,154 --> 00:22:55,114 Speaker 3: with the longer sleeve a little bit kind of past, 562 00:22:55,394 --> 00:22:57,754 Speaker 3: not past the fingers, but long long sleeve. 563 00:22:58,234 --> 00:23:01,234 Speaker 1: It looks high end, it looks designer. It looks very boring. 564 00:23:01,354 --> 00:23:02,994 Speaker 3: But you put that with those other pieces you were 565 00:23:02,994 --> 00:23:05,394 Speaker 3: talking about, it's going to kind of fill that gap 566 00:23:05,434 --> 00:23:08,074 Speaker 3: for a top you need. You don't want to be sobering. 567 00:23:08,074 --> 00:23:09,313 Speaker 3: I don't want to see it, but you don't want 568 00:23:09,434 --> 00:23:10,514 Speaker 3: to steal the show. 569 00:23:11,114 --> 00:23:13,274 Speaker 2: It sounds like a good smart casual one actually. 570 00:23:12,994 --> 00:23:14,514 Speaker 1: And very good smart casual. 571 00:23:14,794 --> 00:23:17,074 Speaker 3: Then the next one is the Amason here Kelly V 572 00:23:17,394 --> 00:23:20,033 Speaker 3: neck long sleeve top thirty nine ninety five. It is 573 00:23:20,074 --> 00:23:22,714 Speaker 3: black and it has got a very deep V. To hear, 574 00:23:22,794 --> 00:23:25,313 Speaker 3: because I know a lot of people really want a 575 00:23:25,394 --> 00:23:27,954 Speaker 3: V neck depending on their bust and their body shape. 576 00:23:27,994 --> 00:23:31,234 Speaker 3: You know, I love a crew neck, but sometimes if 577 00:23:31,274 --> 00:23:33,234 Speaker 3: I'm kind of wearing a lot of volume on the bottom, 578 00:23:33,514 --> 00:23:35,194 Speaker 3: I can't wear a crew neck. It's just all too 579 00:23:35,274 --> 00:23:37,234 Speaker 3: much fabric. This has got a very deep V here. 580 00:23:37,354 --> 00:23:39,874 Speaker 3: Having said that, you can still wear a traditional brass 581 00:23:39,874 --> 00:23:42,154 Speaker 3: strap and then it's got a beautiful V at the back, 582 00:23:42,234 --> 00:23:42,874 Speaker 3: not as. 583 00:23:42,754 --> 00:23:45,634 Speaker 1: Deep, but it's just you know, you black long sleeve. 584 00:23:45,354 --> 00:23:47,033 Speaker 3: Top but with a bit of personality a bit more 585 00:23:47,114 --> 00:23:48,714 Speaker 3: dressy just by the nature of the cart. 586 00:23:48,874 --> 00:23:51,114 Speaker 2: I like that. That sounds really cool, it's really nice. 587 00:23:51,154 --> 00:23:53,474 Speaker 3: I think I'm going to get that one. And then 588 00:23:53,954 --> 00:23:56,194 Speaker 3: of course I just I went straight to Uniclo. But 589 00:23:56,234 --> 00:23:59,513 Speaker 3: then I was like, hang on Glassons one hundred percent 590 00:23:59,634 --> 00:24:03,154 Speaker 3: Merino wool turt on it long sleeve top fifty nine 591 00:24:03,234 --> 00:24:07,513 Speaker 3: ninety five. It's just a really fine knit turck, but 592 00:24:07,554 --> 00:24:09,274 Speaker 3: not a full on turtleneck. It's just one of those 593 00:24:09,354 --> 00:24:11,314 Speaker 3: kind of higher necks you don't have layers and layers 594 00:24:11,314 --> 00:24:13,954 Speaker 3: to roll over fitted. But you know, you can sign 595 00:24:13,994 --> 00:24:16,194 Speaker 3: us up if you want a little bit looser. Sixty 596 00:24:16,234 --> 00:24:17,874 Speaker 3: bucks for Marino wall glessons. 597 00:24:17,874 --> 00:24:18,474 Speaker 1: That's amazing. 598 00:24:18,474 --> 00:24:19,834 Speaker 3: I mean, I'll never stop wanting to you to go 599 00:24:19,954 --> 00:24:22,274 Speaker 3: for my wall. But I mean, I think I still 600 00:24:22,314 --> 00:24:26,034 Speaker 3: came out. I've done a thirty dollar well cardigan and jumper. 601 00:24:26,314 --> 00:24:29,274 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel good too. It's like they're not scratchy. 602 00:24:29,394 --> 00:24:30,874 Speaker 1: No, oh, really cool, that's it. 603 00:24:30,914 --> 00:24:32,674 Speaker 3: And some all can be scratchy, but I think for 604 00:24:32,714 --> 00:24:34,474 Speaker 3: the sake of whacking wool on it, if it's scratchy, 605 00:24:34,514 --> 00:24:35,273 Speaker 3: no one's gonna buy. 606 00:24:35,114 --> 00:24:37,674 Speaker 1: It or they're gonna return it. But yeah, I'm really impressed. 607 00:24:37,674 --> 00:24:40,754 Speaker 3: Glassons had a lot of tops like this, like interesting 608 00:24:41,314 --> 00:24:42,994 Speaker 3: but basic, if that makes sense. 609 00:24:43,074 --> 00:24:43,754 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. 610 00:24:43,754 --> 00:24:45,554 Speaker 2: It's such a good category. I think I want to 611 00:24:45,594 --> 00:24:46,354 Speaker 2: go on by these now. 612 00:24:46,554 --> 00:24:48,353 Speaker 3: Right because it's like, oh, that's so boring, But when 613 00:24:48,354 --> 00:24:50,353 Speaker 3: you are getting dressed sometimes you like, that's exactly what 614 00:24:50,394 --> 00:24:51,154 Speaker 3: I need. Yeah. 615 00:24:51,354 --> 00:24:53,554 Speaker 1: Ohm, go, I get your loafers, you get my tops. Cool. 616 00:24:53,874 --> 00:24:55,553 Speaker 3: Hayley, thank you so much for joining me. That was 617 00:24:55,714 --> 00:24:57,994 Speaker 3: very exciting. Now I know how to get my pants tailored. 618 00:24:58,074 --> 00:24:59,594 Speaker 3: So please come back and join. 619 00:24:59,474 --> 00:25:02,033 Speaker 1: Us again soon. Thanks Lee, thank you, thank you so 620 00:25:02,154 --> 00:25:04,194 Speaker 1: much for joining me today. 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