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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mumma mea podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mummamy's twice daily news podcast,

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Speaker 1: The Quickie. On Monday, Senator Pauline Hanson pulled out and

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Speaker 1: brushed off a stunt that she'd first pulled in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: I intend to ask Senator Hanson to remove herself from

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Speaker 2: the chamber and remove the clothing and come back dressed

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Speaker 2: appropriately or risk suspension. She entered the Senate wearing a

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Speaker 2: burker not long after her bill to banned women from

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Speaker 2: wearing it in public spaces was unsuccessful. Hanson was suspended

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Speaker 2: from the Senate as a result. While some say we

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Speaker 2: should ignore the stunt and not give it the air

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Speaker 2: hands and was hoping to achieve, others say the impacts

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Speaker 2: it has on the Muslim community in Australia meansic cannot

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Speaker 2: be ignored.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into that, here's the latest from the

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Speaker 1: Quoikie newsroom, Wednesday, November twenty six. A luxury wilderness resort

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Speaker 1: that took a direct hit from tropical cyclone Fear has

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Speaker 1: been partially destroyed, but two caretakers who were sheltering in

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Speaker 1: an underground bunker escaped unharmed. The cyclone, which rampaged across

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory all but flattened the Berkeley River Lodge

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Speaker 1: as across the Western Australian Coast on Monday night as

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Speaker 1: a Category three system. The Department of Fire and Emergency

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Speaker 1: Services says they'll evacuate the caretakers, who are among only

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Speaker 1: four people in the cyclone warning area when it crossed

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Speaker 1: the coast when it's safe to do so. FIENA has

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Speaker 1: since been downgraded from a category one system to a

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Speaker 1: tropical low as at tracks southwest through Wway's north on

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Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon WA time. It was located around one hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifteen kilometers northwest of the town of Windham. A

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Speaker 1: severe weather warning has been issued in the region for

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Speaker 1: heavy rainfall, flash flooding and large tides and waves. Wind

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Speaker 1: gusts of up to eighty five kilometers an hour and

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Speaker 1: six hourly rainfall totals of up to two hundred millimeters

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Speaker 1: a possible In the NT, where power was cut to

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Speaker 1: about seventeen thousand homes and properties. Eighty five percent of

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Speaker 1: customers have been reaginn and work continues to restore the

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Speaker 1: remaining three thousand that remain without it. The Anti government

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Speaker 1: has also announced it will make a two hundred and

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Speaker 1: by the cyclone. Meanwhile, a catastrophe has also been declared

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Speaker 1: after dangerous superstorms swept the country's east coast, leaving thousands

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Speaker 1: without power and inundating insurers with damage claims. Severe thunderstorms

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Speaker 1: hammered northern New South Wales and southeast Queensland on Monday,

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Speaker 1: The Insurance Council of Australia received more than sixteen thousand

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Speaker 1: claims across more than one hundred and forty postcodes on Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: with a damage bill yet to be tallied. The coroner

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Speaker 1: has heard how a young, inexperienced ground crew member gave

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Speaker 1: a twenty twenty three fatal mid air helicopter collision. Four

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Speaker 1: people died when two helicopters collided outside the SeaWorld theme

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Speaker 1: park on the Gold Coast. Grace Hickey, testifying that she

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Speaker 1: was previously employed by the company that operated the tourist Joyflights,

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Speaker 1: Her responsibilities included ticket sales and fitting passengers with life

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Speaker 1: jackets and seat belts when they entered the helicopters. Miss

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Speaker 1: Hiki had no prior work experience at a helipad, but

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Speaker 1: had a certificate in aviation ground handling. She was told

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Speaker 1: to give a whole signal if there were boats nearby,

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Speaker 1: all the companies on helicopters or those from other companies.

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Speaker 1: She told the court that on this day she didn't

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Speaker 1: see anything, so she thumbed up it was good to go.

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Speaker 1: About twenty five seconds after pilot Ashley Jenkinson took off

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Speaker 1: having been given the thumbs up from Miss Hickey, his

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Speaker 1: aircraft collided with another SeaWorld helicopter. His aircraft fell from

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Speaker 1: sandbar and rolling onto its roof. Mister Jenkinson died, as

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Speaker 1: well as passengers British newlyweds Ronald and Diane Hughes and

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Speaker 1: Sidney mother Vanessa Tadros. The pilot of the second helicopter,

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Speaker 1: Misshiki broke down in tears as she left the stand

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Speaker 1: after giving evidence, saying spent a lot of time blaming

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Speaker 1: herself for the crash. French police have arrested four more

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Speaker 1: people in connection to the Louver jewel heist last month.

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Speaker 1: The suspects are two men aged thirty eight and thirty

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Speaker 1: these people played a role in the brazen daylight robbery.

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Speaker 1: On October nineteen four Thiegues made off with jewels worth

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Speaker 1: no trace has been found of the stolen jewels, which

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Speaker 1: included diamond and emerald necklace Napoleon gave to Empress Marie Louise,

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Speaker 1: and Empress Eugenie's pearl and diamond tiara. Just weeks after

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Speaker 1: denying rumours that she died, Hollywood Royalty Bridget Bardot has

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Speaker 1: been rushed to hospital in France. The ninety one year

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Speaker 1: Now French publications are reporting she's been rushed back to

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Speaker 1: hospital and has spent the last ten days receiving treatment.

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Speaker 1: The actress had recently been forced to release a statement

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Speaker 1: after an influencer known as Aquababe posted she had confirmation

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Speaker 1: coffin had been ordered, but I wrote, I don't know

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Speaker 1: who the idiot is who started this fake news about

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Speaker 1: my disappearance, but know that I'm doing well and I

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Speaker 1: have no plan on taking my bow. A word to

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Speaker 1: the wise, That's what's happening in the world today. Next,

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Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson strikes again, but this time there are women

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Speaker 1: in Parliament willing to hold her accountable.

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Speaker 3: She is disrespecting of faith. She is disrespecting the Muslims

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Speaker 3: out there, Muslim Australians. It's absolutely unconstitutional. This needs to

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Speaker 3: be dealt with immediately before we proceed. This is a

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Speaker 4: Hop on that Senator Faruz, and it is.

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Speaker 1: You in the chest.

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Speaker 4: That what we should not do in this place. Whatever

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Speaker 4: disrespectful of the Chamber and of people of faith, whatever

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Speaker 4: our own beliefs may be. The sort of disrespect that

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Speaker 4: you are engaging in now is not worthy of a

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Speaker 1: That was the response from Senators Fatima Payman, Marine Feruki

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Speaker 1: week dressed in a burker. She had just been refused

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Speaker 1: coverings and the burker in public. She walked in wearing

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Speaker 1: the covering, sat down at her seat, and then refused

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: Hanson framed it as a protest, calling the wearing of

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Speaker 1: the garment she called oppressive to draw attention to her

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Speaker 1: it's a national security risk. Pauline Hanson was officially censured

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Speaker 1: a motion raised by Senator Penny Wong. Hanson stood and

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Speaker 1: She spoke on the censure, saying that she'd been denied

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Speaker 1: a certain age, you're probably feeling a bit like you've

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Speaker 1: seen this all before. And you're right. Hanson pulled this

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Speaker 1: exact same stunt back in August twenty seventeen, and she

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Speaker 1: made headlines for it then as she is now. But

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Speaker 1: last time there were no Muslim MPs or senators. This

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Speaker 1: time it's different. We caught up with Senator Fatima Payman yesterday,

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Speaker 1: less than twenty four hours after Senator Hanson's stunt. Senator,

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Speaker 1: were you aware when this happened that Pauline Hanson had

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Actually, back in twenty seventeen, I remember going to

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Speaker 3: I was visiting him and everyone's giving me weird stairs

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Speaker 3: something like, piss off back to where you came from.

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Speaker 3: Someone called me towelhead, and I was just like, what

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Speaker 3: news and I was like, oh, wow, okay, so this

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Speaker 3: but unfortunately, Yeah, it was quite disturbing, very disrespectful, and

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Speaker 3: you can imagine if this was done in any other workplace,

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Speaker 3: it would be quite confronting and HIV will be immediately

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Speaker 3: on top of making sure that it's a safe ENVIRNL

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Speaker 3: for everyone. It was just a horrible experience.

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Speaker 1: So you can attend from personal experience that stunts like

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Speaker 3: Absolutely has a ripple effect. Wouldn't be surprised if there's

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Speaker 3: reports of young girls being attacked, or the rise of Islamophobia,

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Speaker 3: any form of phobia against another group of people should

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Speaker 3: for our Australian way of life, and it's contradictory to

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Speaker 3: our Australian values. Like you know, we've got to have

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Speaker 3: But it doesn't mean you ridiculo someone's religious garment or

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Speaker 3: It's just unbefitting of a senator.

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Speaker 1: There's quite a few photos and video footage of the

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Speaker 1: In quite a lot of them, you can be seen

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Speaker 1: I'm torn between recognizing someone who's about to burst into

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Speaker 3: Just simply disappointed and annoyed that this is how we're

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Speaker 3: colleague who wants to garner attention for her own political reasons,

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Speaker 3: the fact that she'd been partying in the US for

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Speaker 3: deserved better than this. We as senators need to do

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Speaker 3: It's very concerning when senators make stunts like this and

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Speaker 3: perform really abhorrent acts, because then it emboldens the trolls

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Speaker 3: out there who will then NonStop call my office and

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Speaker 3: it's my staff, my underresourced office that will have to

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Speaker 3: then deal with that, and it's just not fair. It's

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Speaker 3: not a safe environment, it's not good for their mental health.

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Speaker 3: And look, I get it. As politicians where public facing figures,

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Speaker 3: women in public office get that. Sexism totally get it.

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Speaker 3: Women of color in office get that hatred. I get it.

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Speaker 3: Women of faith background or someone like me who wears

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Speaker 3: the hitjarb we get a bit worse. There are various

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Speaker 3: degrees of how harsh the hatred, the sexism, the some phobia,

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Speaker 3: the discrimination sort of grows exponentially as you have greater

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Speaker 3: intersectionality of your identity that you're expressing. Why are you

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Speaker 3: hating on the fact that I am a senator or

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Speaker 3: Western Australia just trying to do my job, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think we call it out to ensure that there's

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Speaker 3: But I do agree that there's got to be a

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Speaker 3: The Government should have been ready and prepared for her

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Speaker 3: They should have immediately suspended. There was a precedent set

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Speaker 3: Had it sorted, there would be no need to suspend

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Speaker 3: But instead, Pauline Hansen got her shots. She prolonged the

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Speaker 3: She got her shots, she got the attention she wanted,

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Speaker 1: Just finally, Senator, I wanted to ask you your advice

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Speaker 3: Thank you for the question, and you know, amidst all

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