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Speaker 1: Your journey is your journey, and the next step will

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Speaker 1: become clear when it's time to become clear. You can't

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Speaker 1: have growth without the darkness. You can't have resilience without

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Speaker 2: Us welcome to the seas The Yay Podcast. Busy and

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Speaker 2: happy are not the same thing. We too rarely question

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Speaker 2: what makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest,

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Speaker 2: but rarely we play, and often don't realize there's more

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Speaker 2: and explore the stories of those who found lives. They

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Speaker 2: adore the good, bad and ugly, The best and worst

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Speaker 2: day will bear all the facets.

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Speaker 3: Of seizing your yay.

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Speaker 2: I'm Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah. A lawyer turned

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Speaker 2: funentrepreneurs wapped the suits and siels to co found matcha

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Speaker 2: Maiden and matcha Milk bar Cza is a series of

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Speaker 2: conversations on finding a life you love and exploring the

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Speaker 2: self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm no stranger to a fangirl moment, but

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Speaker 2: this one is really up there. Having followed her journey

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Speaker 2: none other than the wonderful Samantha Wills. You may have

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Speaker 2: had parts of how she grew her multimillion dollar global

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Speaker 2: of j lo Eva Mendez and Katie Perry clamoring to

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Speaker 2: wear her jewelry for any aspiring business owners listening. She

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Speaker 2: the more character building shitter bits, as you know I

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Speaker 2: I didn't even realize that Samantha was a TAFE double dropout.

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Speaker 2: But what I found most fascinating about her story is

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Speaker 2: that just when Samantha Whiel's Jewelry had truly solidified itself

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Speaker 2: I am, by redefining the metrics by which you measure

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Speaker 2: and choosing happiness before success, this was such an engaging

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Speaker 2: Samantha Wills, Welcome to cz the A. I can't believe

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Speaker 1: Oh it's such a trick to be here. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: I have followed you for the longest time and you

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Speaker 2: and reading your book brought me to tears. I was

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Speaker 2: just telling you, it's like we've been. You took us

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Speaker 1: So sweet, thank you. As I said, I think the

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Speaker 2: Well, it's an absolute privilege to have you here again.

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Speaker 2: Just saying some maatta wheels, welcome, Dizzia is something I

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Speaker 2: nuances and details that we didn't know at the time.

435
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Speaker 2: You know, what was that twelve years like for you?

436
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,960
Speaker 2: And how what do you think made you such a

437
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,080
Speaker 2: great success from those markets to the highest highs.

438
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Speaker 1: Look, and I do have to save my business partner,

439
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,800
Speaker 1: Jeff Bainbridge, who was very much the commercial element of

440
00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,000
Speaker 1: the business and allowed me to be the best creative

441
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Speaker 1: that I could be. So, you know, our partnership was

442
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,120
Speaker 1: very much the foundation of it. I think I think

443
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Speaker 1: what we did as a brand, and I say we

444
00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 1: as in real people, not Renee and I, a real team.

445
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Speaker 1: Everyone that worked on that brand over the fifteen years

446
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,480
Speaker 1: that it was in market, people just literally poured heart

447
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,880
Speaker 1: and soul into it. So it was so much more

448
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,240
Speaker 1: than just a product we shared. You know, in this case,

449
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,359
Speaker 1: it was my story. But you know, the founder's journey,

450
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 1: I think to any business is if you're telling that correctly,

451
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 1: and you're telling that with authenticity, that's the one thing

452
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 1: people can't replicate. They can replicate your product and your packaging,

453
00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 1: but if you know the human element of it. And

454
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Speaker 1: I think that my book that I've written. The original

455
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 1: working title of that was Public Brand, Private Life, and

456
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 1: it was originally slated as a hardcore business memoir. And

457
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 1: the more that I wrote, I was like, you know,

458
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Speaker 1: obviously I was always going to share the highlights and

459
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Speaker 1: the milestones and the hurdles and things like that, but

460
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Speaker 1: I'm like, it's a middle element. It's the human it's

461
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 1: humans doing business. It's humans that when heart broken or

462
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 1: when we're in grief, or when the world doesn't seem

463
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 1: to be going our way for months and months at

464
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Speaker 1: a time, we're the ones still showing up and been

465
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Speaker 1: running these businesses. So I think, you know, sorry, that

466
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 1: got completely off topic of your question.

467
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Speaker 3: No, it's still fascinating.

468
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Speaker 1: I think what set us apart was, you know, anyone

469
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Speaker 1: can I'm adamant anyone can design jewelry. But I think

470
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 1: we were really good storytellers, and I think every touch

471
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Speaker 1: point of our brand, we were wanting to enchant our consumer.

472
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Speaker 1: We spoke with our consumer, not to her, and then

473
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Speaker 1: every single person in that business had that same ethos

474
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Speaker 1: and that's how we treated people.

475
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's something that came through really strongly

476
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 2: in the book, is that you have Obviously there's so

477
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 2: much practical advice on a scale up perspective that you

478
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 2: can give to a perspective or you know, business owners

479
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 2: earlier in their journey, and that's obviously really important, and

480
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 2: things like delegating the skills that aren't your strong points,

481
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 2: knowing what you strengths and weaknesses are, and like hiring accordingly.

482
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 2: But the bigger message was the storytelling. And I feel

483
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 2: like that does make or break a business more than

484
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 2: the actual nuts and bolts of it. It was interesting

485
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Speaker 2: how much emphasis there was on that.

486
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's the human connection and that's how

487
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 1: we see ourselves in others, how others see themselves in

488
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Speaker 1: our experience, and that's not just relative to people. That's

489
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Speaker 1: the job of a brand is to tell that. And

490
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 1: so I think with branding, you know, we kind of

491
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Speaker 1: go out and I think so many people are like, oh,

492
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Speaker 1: I need to please everyone, or I need to get

493
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Speaker 1: the biggest audience possible. I'm like, no, you need a small,

494
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,239
Speaker 1: engaged audience. Like if you're pleasing everyone, you're probably not

495
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: living your brand values and you're not living your brand

496
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Speaker 1: even trying to, you know, So I think it's about

497
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Speaker 1: talking to this talking with sorry. I really like minded

498
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Speaker 1: group of people, and I think that's all really well.

499
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Speaker 2: And something a business partner said that I laughed at

500
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Speaker 2: so much. Well, firstly, he said, for fox sake, dial

501
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Speaker 2: it down with the turquoise, which I thought was hilarious.

502
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Speaker 2: Turquoise is the essence. No, never dial it down.

503
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 3: But also that I.

504
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 2: Think someone asked him, you know, what trends do you

505
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 2: see in joy or something, and he was like, oh,

506
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 2: she just says fuck it to trends, like she just

507
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 2: designs what she thinks is the brand.

508
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Speaker 1: One of the owners of has Haileey Perl. I was like,

509
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Speaker 1: oh my god, you can't say fuck in the No.

510
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Speaker 3: I forgot that detail.

511
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And he was just so raisen about that. True,

512
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: and you know, it was something that I couldn't admit that,

513
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: you know, he was brazen enough.

514
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: To to say it that way. But if you were

515
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Speaker 2: speaking to young Samantha at like maybe twenty one, twenty

516
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 2: two or even twenty five, in those earlier years of

517
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: the business, if there were three things that you could

518
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Speaker 2: say to someone that you think would you know, go

519
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 2: well for them or help their journey in the net,

520
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 2: you know, taking it through that next scalep chapter.

521
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Speaker 1: What would it be harness your intuition? I think, you know,

522
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: we've known what the word intuition means through our whole life.

523
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 1: But I think we've been raised in a culture that

524
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: celebrates the logical explanation and celebrates the you know, the

525
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: tangible traditional five sensors, where that kind of is quashed

526
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: down our internal knowing. So I think a lot of

527
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: the times through my earlier journey, you know, I really

528
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: didn't back myself on things that I trusted, you know,

529
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Speaker 1: not big maybe is big things, but just like day

530
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Speaker 1: to day things and hearing the intuity voice is not

531
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Speaker 1: the hard bit, it's trusting it. So I think ultimating

532
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Speaker 1: that and really investing in learning the fluency of intuiting nature.

533
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Speaker 1: And I think the others would be, you know, stop

534
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Speaker 1: and smell the roses along the way, and that was

535
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Speaker 1: that relates as it relates also to like, don't hold

536
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: on so tightly to one outcome. The most beautiful things

537
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: are going to cross your path. Don't be so focused

538
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 1: on is something that you know, you miss those things

539
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Speaker 1: that that would probably be my my two big ones,

540
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Speaker 1: to be honest, intuit nature is something that is all

541
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Speaker 1: of us you know, it's not spared just for the

542
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: elite few. We all have it, and I think we

543
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: really need to get back to that.

544
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Speaker 2: I love that you said as what you because the

545
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 2: book is so much about gold and dust, and alchemy,

546
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 2: particularly as a jewelry maker, has always been something that

547
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 2: fascinates you. I love that you described alchemy as being

548
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,719
Speaker 2: not about the end of the cycle, but about the

549
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 2: full spectrum of that cycle, and that life is the same.

550
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 2: I often say, yeah's a journey, not a destination, because

551
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 2: you'll inevitably get to that destination, and then what does

552
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 2: it mean if you haven't sort of enjoyed the journey

553
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: to get there, then you're just living moment to moment

554
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: without any kind of joy along the way. So I

555
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 2: love that reminder because it's so easy to get so

556
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: bogged down and well, what's my next achievement that I

557
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 2: need to get to, and never enjoying yourself.

558
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Speaker 1: You know, probably the second part of that jewelry journey

559
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: for me was like probably not stop not I know,

560
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 1: I didn't stop long enough and celebrate the winds along

561
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: the way. But it just becomes this vicious cycle of like,

562
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Speaker 1: I think, great, we achieve that now, what's next, And

563
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: it's like, you're right, get to the top of the mountain,

564
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: You're like, Hey, what's next. You're like, like, it's it's

565
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say it's unfulfilling, because it was. It

566
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: was what I wanted and it was incredibly fulfilling along

567
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: the way. But yeah, you got it immerse in those

568
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: moments because it sounds so cliche. It's I enjoy the

569
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: journey along the way, but the entire point and I

570
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: think as it relates to the alchemy of the human spirit,

571
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: like you can't have growth without the darkness, you can't

572
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: have resilience without sitting on the depths of that dark floor.

573
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: Like they go hand in hand, and the beauty is

574
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: on the other side of it. But it is the

575
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: whole spectrum of it. You're right.

576
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Speaker 2: I always talk about as I get older, I feel

577
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 2: like all the cliches make sense. I'm like, well, they

578
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 2: cliches because they're they're real, Like they're true.

579
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Speaker 3: They cliche for a reason. Davit differently, Well, before.

580
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Speaker 2: We do move on to that sort of second half

581
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 2: of the business, because that's the bit I'm really really

582
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 2: fascinated about, because that's where it seemed like you had

583
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 2: seized your yeah, and you did have everything you'd ever

584
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 2: dreamed of, and so interesting that what looks like walking

585
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: away from everything good has actually been a great liberation

586
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: and total redefinition of the world around you, which I

587
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 2: think is the next thing people struggle with is when

588
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 2: they have hit the goals they thought they wanted and

589
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: then don't know what to do next. But quickly before that,

590
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: speaking of the darkness, and I think the midnight chapter

591
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: or something as you call it, but also the lightners

592
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 2: looking back now, what were your midnight moments? But what

593
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 2: were your highest moments? The ones where it did hit

594
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: home of like j lo is fucking wearing my jewelry,

595
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 2: Like what does that feel like?

596
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: Did that happen? Like? I mean, Pink played such a

597
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: big part in my journey in my share in there

598
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: where she bought our entire collection and we're like, like,

599
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: I was like wow, definitely having product on sex and

600
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: the city was surreal being on cubilaty all of it's

601
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: still even and to have the gift to return to

602
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: it through writing and be able to sit with each

603
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: of those moments felt so special to be able to

604
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: relive them again. The opt sad alongside Mark Warburn. That

605
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: was that was why.

606
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 2: It's so hard, Like I can imagine it being just

607
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: difficult to describe what that's actually like, and it sounds bad.

608
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: But sometimes the things that I have never thought, like

609
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: the rooms I've never thought i'd be in, or the

610
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: situations I've never thought I would be in. It's I'm

611
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 2: almost numb at the time because it's so much sensory

612
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 2: overload that, like, you know, you come straight out of

613
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 2: it and.

614
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 3: Someone will be like, how wasn't You're like, it was amazing,

615
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 3: but I.

616
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: Can't feel anything yet, Like I'm just so my sense

617
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: is just switch off because I'm like otherwise I'll explode.

618
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: And it's only like years later that you look back

619
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: and you're like, what was that?

620
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: It's so true, I don't know it was every moment

621
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Speaker 1: of it was was surreal, and you know, it's often

622
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: easy to romanticize things. But obviously, as I said, there

623
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: was a lot of mid nights in there as well.

624
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: But it all makes up the spectrum.

625
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: And then what I get really fascinated about is people

626
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: knowing when the next you know, when that next step

627
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: in the staircase, when it's time for that it's a

628
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: lot easier, I think when you take a new step

629
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: because of dissatisfaction, because you're like, this has gotten too far,

630
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: I'm too unhappy. I'll do something about this. But when

631
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: it's almost too much of a good thing, it's really

632
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: hard to walk away from what everyone else in society

633
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: thinks should be the dream. But as you mentioned, like

634
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: if your intuition is telling you, actually, I've grown out

635
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: of this chapter. It's not serving me anymore. Something I

636
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: found really interesting that you said was that you had

637
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: become less and less creative as the business grew, and

638
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: rather than a jewelry company, it almost becomes a logistics company,

639
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: and that that's not what you started out for, which

640
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: is resonated with me because we sold our first business

641
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: match I made and at the end of last year,

642
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: because I was in a factory with a high aussest,

643
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 2: not with the customers and not doing the storytelling. But

644
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: it's a real like, excuse my language, but it's a

645
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: head fuck to sort of pull away from the dreams

646
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: that you've You know, you've seized your ya and fulfilled

647
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: your dreams, but then even the foundation, how did you

648
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: know that you needed something else to what you were doing.

649
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: How do you know that that's what's you know.

650
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: I think we haven't been afforded the information that it's

651
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: okay to close something like it's okay to be like, okay,

652
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: I did that and walk it rather than running it

653
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: into the depth. I use friends the TV shows example,

654
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: like they closed on a high, they honored that legacy.

655
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: And then you see programs that have tried to reboot,

656
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: like Sex and the City. I'm like, man, they should

657
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: not have come back. And even though we had product

658
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: in the movie, don't get me rod.

659
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 3: It was okay on one level.

660
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: I always sound like that movie was so Sex and

661
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: the City two was such a shit awful movie. It

662
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: was so bad.

663
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 3: Except for your Jewelry obviously, But I'm.

664
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: Just like, wow, what a way to really destroy it's

665
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: probably too harsh a word, but to destroy a really

666
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: incredible franchise. So I think, you know, for us to

667
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: close to the mount the World's Jewelry, I think, you know,

668
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: it might have looked like a quick decision because it

669
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: kind of shocked a lot of people, but it was

670
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: a two year journey for me to get to that point. So,

671
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: you know, after a relationship breakdown, which really threw me

672
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: into the depths of a personal darkness in two thousand

673
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: and fifteen. I then launched the Samantha Worlds Foundation twenty

674
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: sixteen and kind of, you know, that was my alchemy

675
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: to kind of move through that. And then my curiosity

676
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: was starting to be sparked from my writing on the

677
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: Samantha the World's Foundation. And at the same time, I

678
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: probably designed, you know, eleven thousand pieces of jewelry. I

679
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: knew at that point I was designing with my hands

680
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: and not my heart. We were doing, you know, twenty

681
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: two collections a year. At that point, I think, you know,

682
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: eleven thousand pieces of jewelry in I was like, Oh,

683
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: it's just a creative block, you know, that little flicker

684
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: inciety that as all creative people know, it's your lifeblood,

685
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: it's what gets you up in the morning, runs through

686
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: your veins, and mine was really starting to do. And

687
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's just a creative block. Like

688
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 1: I know this feeling, you know, six months in another

689
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: six months, another six months, I'm like, okay, share, maybe

690
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: this is this is how I feel forever now. Like

691
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: it was a very scary place to reside.

692
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 4: And because you know, I ever so modestly named the

693
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 4: brand the Wheel. You know, we're branding growth, and we were,

694
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 4: you know, there was no reason to even question stepping

695
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 4: away from it.

696
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: I just didn't even think that was an avenue for me.

697
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: So my thought was like, I need to get this

698
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: creativity back, and that's what I tried to set about doing.

699
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: And obviously the time had come and once I finally

700
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: realized what was happening, that was time to close that chapter.

701
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: I could have sold it. I could have got another

702
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: designer in and just stepped away from it completely. But

703
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: I was like, that's not what the brand was built on.

704
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: The brand was built on soul, it was built on heart,

705
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: it was built on this you know truth around that.

706
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: And for me, designing with my hands and not my

707
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: heart felt fraudular in a way to me. So I

708
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: wanted to honor the legacy of that journey. I wanted

709
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: to honor the people that worked on that brand, and

710
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: wanted to honor our incredible brand community. And I think

711
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: that it was just a knowing inside and I talk

712
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,719
Speaker 1: about like a feeling filter and you know, in your

713
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,959
Speaker 1: soloplexaria and then the thinking filter, and when you run

714
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: things through your feeling filter. You cannot fake a feeling.

715
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: You can talk yourself in and out of anything, but

716
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: you cannot truly fake a true feeling. And at that time,

717
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: when you know, when I made that decision, I was like,

718
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: it just feels entirely like the right thing to do.

719
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: So sorry, a long way around to answer your question,

720
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: it's going inside and only you can make that decision

721
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: as a founder. It doesn't it doesn't matter if you're

722
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: making bajillions. It's as a creative founder. Your lifeblood is

723
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: on creative integrity and if you don't have that, it's

724
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: it's going to be a pretty hollow existence.

725
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: And that's such an amazing example of how along the

726
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: way I think people's relationship to success and wealth and

727
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: material things like obviously to have a business and for

728
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: it to survive, the numbers are important to an extent,

729
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: but that you know, you had the chance to sell

730
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 2: and walk away with an extraordinarily you know, huge amount

731
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: of wealth and with still keeping a big legacy. And

732
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: I think it was at the time unheard of really

733
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: for someone to close something that had everything going for it,

734
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: like preempting any kind of problems. There was no indication

735
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: that it wouldn't go on for twenty years or thirty

736
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 2: years longer. And it was so brave because people at

737
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 2: the time, I think, still had like that dominant view

738
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: of success was financial and so for you to walk

739
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: away from that, everyone was like, what is happening, Like

740
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: there's no financial reasons, so they couldn't understand that.

741
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: It goes back to the logic right where it's like

742
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: there's like I remember speaking at an event not long

743
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: after we announced it, and these gentleman stood up, and

744
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: he was an older gentleman. It's like, I just don't

745
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: understand your logic around this, and I was like that

746
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: there is there is no logic I can't argue with that,

747
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: you know, And I think to your point, like success

748
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: changes over time, Like what I deemed a success at

749
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: twenty one is different to twenty five, to twenty eight

750
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: to thirty two. Like so success at the end of

751
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: that journey, to me was a personal calmness and a

752
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: creative flame. Like creativity to me is a form of success.

753
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: And I feel like I had done all I could

754
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: do with that brand, so it was time to seek

755
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: that out in a new chapter.

756
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, just so so extraordinarily brave, and I'd

757
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,479
Speaker 2: love to sort of weave in the next section, which

758
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: is Nata and that's all the big barriers to your

759
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: joy along the way, and you cover them so beautifully

760
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: in the book. I mean, seriously, look, there's like so

761
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 2: many tabs it's actually ridiculous. But you know, we've talked

762
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: touched on imposter syndrome, self doubt, and comparison, which is

763
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 2: some of the biggest themes that emerge. I imagine around

764
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: that time that they probably fled more than they ever

765
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 2: had because the decision was so questioned and so looking

766
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: at other people selling or other people and the way

767
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: that they'd done it, Like how did you hope with

768
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: the doubt about it being the right decision, doubt about

769
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 2: the implications for other people, and comparing to what other

770
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: founders do.

771
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: I think it was actually a really calm for some reason.

772
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: I might be a psychopath. I'm not sure. It was

773
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: just such a calm noise. It was like two years

774
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: of turmoil and fear and self questioning and like this

775
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: really unease within myself to get to that decision, and

776
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: then even to the day we closed, it was just

777
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: a calmness of like it is time and I also

778
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: acknowledged that it was a shock to a lot of people,

779
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: and I really I think I conveyed this in the book,

780
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: where you know, in my mind in the lead up

781
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: to the announcement of closing, I was like, the world

782
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: doesn't need any more jewelry, like we you know, kind

783
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: of like this almost like a high and mighty like payer,

784
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: doesn't you know this, that and the other. It doesn't

785
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 1: matter about the jewelry. And then when we announced it,

786
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: the amount of love and sharing that people within our

787
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: brand community and how much the brand touched people, and

788
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: like one of our community members and she's said that

789
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: I am able to share this publicly, and I shared

790
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: it in the book. But you know, she shares the

791
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: story of where she was a somouth the Worl's jewelry collector,

792
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: and she was in a domestic violent relationship and one

793
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 1: was on Christmas Eve and she had barricaded herself into

794
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: her bedroom and her partner was, you know, trying to

795
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: hack through the door to get into her and it

796
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: was about four o'clock in the morning and he finally

797
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: got in and smashed her entire Somautha the World's Jewelry

798
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: collection to complete ducts. She didn't head away, and he

799
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: found it and destroyed it. And she wrote all this

800
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: in a letter. I'm kind of reading it with my

801
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: hand on my heart, and she said, and you know,

802
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: I finally worked up the courage after years to leave

803
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: this relationship and to take an AVO out on him.

804
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: And she goes, my brother took me to the police

805
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: station and we filed the AVO and she goes, I'm

806
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: straight from the police station. I went and I bought

807
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: a Samoanthul's Bohemian bato ring and I was what And

808
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: she goes, because that me signified it was my shield

809
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: and my sword, and it signified my next step forward,

810
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: and it was the rebuilding of what he had destroyed.

811
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, I take it back the jewelry.

812
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: I was wrong, And you know, in my haste to

813
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: start a new chapter, I think I was too hasty

814
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: in that assumption. And just it was many stories that

815
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 1: just came in that just wrapped around my heart about

816
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: what the brand meant to them, and that almost as

817
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 1: sad as it was, and people didn't want us to close.

818
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's why we're honoring this legacy. That's why

819
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: we're not handing this over to a department store giant

820
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: to see what they do with it. So it was pretty.

821
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that ring has just made a full

822
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: impact on the world. Like some of the photos in

823
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 2: the book, of all its different iterations, and like there's

824
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 2: one way. You've got a whole war of them.

825
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: Oh weved one million of them through our business, sixty colorways.

826
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: In the end, it had a life of its own.

827
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: It was yeah, oh my god.

828
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 2: And look this is you know, turquoise turkoise see Jeff

829
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 2: the signature. Oh my gosh. Definitely not dialing that down.

830
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 2: So how has it been now that you're Like another

831
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: thing that really fascinates me is the concept of identity

832
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: and then how much we wrap ourselves up in titles,

833
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: and then how sometimes you do Like one of the

834
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: most liberating things can be walking away from something that

835
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 2: isn't what you started it for, or that has become

836
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: so consuming you don't remember who you were before it.

837
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 2: What has it been like rebuilding that outside of as

838
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: a designer as Samantha Will's, founder of Samantha Will's Jewel

839
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 2: you know, like, how has it been to sort of

840
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: recreate yourself?

841
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: I think it's still in progress, I think, you know,

842
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: as I share towards the end of the book, I'm like, all,

843
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: I know, my entire adult life was Smath the Will's

844
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: jewelry designer. And you know, I even lost the name

845
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: Samantha Will's role because it was the brand's name and

846
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: I just got called sw I was like, can I

847
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: even have that name back after it's been so commercial?

848
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: So it definitely was a transition process. I think now

849
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 1: I feel really calm and at home in my next

850
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: body of work, which obviously is a book. I'm just

851
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: in the final days of our masterclass year to kind

852
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: of I think it's still tied to that identity because

853
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: it will always be my origin story of this jewelry brand,

854
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: but you know, handing that over it and paying it

855
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: forward in a way to other entrepreneurs that are charting

856
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: their path. So it feels right, is I guess the

857
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: most honest answer and give?

858
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: Well? The book is just so magical, and so I

859
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: just feel like it really talks to something inside you

860
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 2: that if you didn't know you had it, you will

861
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: after you read the book, because it's it's unusual for

862
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: a business person's book to be so emphatic on cosmic

863
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: and on intuition. But I think that's probably what we

864
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: need to do a bit more because we do focus

865
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: so much on numbers and outcomes success blah blah blah,

866
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 2: and that is like a very sure fire way to

867
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: not necessarily be happy and to miss all the moments

868
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: because you're burning out and you're never stopping to celebrate

869
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: the successes. How have you found like physically managing everything

870
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: until now? Really like being pulled in all different directions

871
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: being a founder and an entrepreneurh's also a speaker, and

872
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: then even in this next chapter being a writer, like

873
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: I'm sure the interview requests and energy pulling you in

874
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: all different directions, Like how do you manage burnout?

875
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: You know, I say, to avoid burnout, you first have

876
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 1: to burn out. I don't think it's something we seek out,

877
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: but I think you can never truly understand the importance

878
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: of self care. And self care is such an overused

879
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: not I've used but used in so many contexts that

880
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: really it is about self care of the soul, Like

881
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: how are you protecting your spirit from exhaustion and energetic exhaustion?

882
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: I think so for me now, I'm definitely listening to

883
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: my body a lot more thinking when I share my

884
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: endometrios journey in the book, where I just completely not

885
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: only ignored when my body was screaming at me every month,

886
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: but like always despised her for it. So now I'm definitely,

887
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: you know, much more kinder, I think to myself and

888
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: listening to that a lot quicker. Still still got a

889
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: ways to come, but definitely listen to it a lot quicker.

890
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: And really, you know, I'm at a point now where

891
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: it's got to feel right to me. And you know,

892
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: I hope that doesn't sound disposable because I keep going

893
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: back to it, but I'm like, what I used to

894
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: think I should be doing, And now I'm like, does

895
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: it feel right what you're doing? And that's my barometer now. Yeah.

896
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: So in terms of like what your plans are, I'm

897
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: sure it was actually quite freeing to let go of

898
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 2: like next season, next season planning and meetings and quarters

899
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: and stuff to sort of just I don't know what's

900
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: coming next, Like how are you planning for what comes next?

901
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: And like with the book, what are the bits you're

902
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: most proud of, what are the bits that were the hardest,

903
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: and what do you hope for it to do.

904
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: I think, you know, as it relates to fashion, you're

905
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: always working, you know, four seasons, so it was nice

906
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: to come back to the present for a while. Trually,

907
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: everything is still forward planning. The process of writing a

908
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: book is very forward planning. You know, you're kind of

909
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: submitting it six months before it actually goes to Prins.

910
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: But I enjoyed the process. I say it was part cathartic,

911
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: part church confessional, part the merge all those together. But

912
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: you know, I said to you before, I think with

913
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: the teleportation, like going back and sitting with twenty one

914
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: year old me and you know, going back and seeing

915
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: with heartbroken me and kind of revisiting it, that those

916
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: stages was really nice. In a way. I'm really proud

917
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: of the body of work that it is. She's out

918
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: in the world now, which I'm thrilled by, and I

919
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: would love to see her adapted off the page in

920
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 1: some respects that would be amazing. I don't know, it's

921
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: been great done. You know, had a great book tour.

922
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 1: So if the book is kind of the handing over

923
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: of the story, then yeah, the master class is the tactile.

924
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: So it's like, here's our marketing calendar. Here's the structure

925
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: of the P and L. Here is all these hangible

926
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: elements for entrepreneurs that they can apply to their own businesses,

927
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: so hopefully they go hand in hand.

928
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: I also heard that this incredible picture, which I think

929
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 2: fits the entire concept of the book and the messaging

930
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: and tone behind it, but that this was actually a

931
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 2: selfie that you took that wasn't for the cover.

932
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: I know history I was on a job that day

933
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: and I had my hair and maypups on it, and

934
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 1: then I was like, mom, like check out my nice

935
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: hair and maypup and we're selfie. And that's what they

936
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: ended up choosing is the book.

937
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: And you did like a full cover shoot, and then

938
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: intuition was like, this is the one from my phone.

939
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: We actually and that was the selfie. Was what the

940
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: publisher was like, Hey, we want to recreate this in

941
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,959
Speaker 1: the photo shoot, and obviously you know it's quite hard

942
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: to recreate a selfie. So yeah, when they went back

943
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: to that one, which I which I really love.

944
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 2: And something else that you're I think surprisingly honest about

945
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 2: is also in your personal life, not just the self

946
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: doubt of the comparison in your or just your relationship

947
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: with yourself, but also how the role of your relationships

948
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: with other people business partners, mentors, people who you've worked

949
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: with and who have given you intros to other people,

950
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: but also your partners, which I think as a successful

951
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: woman who is out in the world doing amazing things,

952
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 2: it's actually quite difficult to fall into partnerships where you're

953
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 2: not competing, where they give you enough space to go

954
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: out and you know, to maybe earn more than them,

955
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 2: or to be in the spotlight more. Just talk to

956
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: us about the relationship side of things and how that's

957
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 2: sort of unraveled for you in any advice you would

958
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: have for other young female entrepreneurs who I think are

959
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: moving into an age where gender roles are different, expectations

960
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: are different, but it's still murky, you know.

961
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, definitely, I think, you know, we're still very

962
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: much in a time where the ideal of shedding that

963
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: traditional framework we can see it, but I don't think

964
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: it's entirely on our generation just yet. I think it

965
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: will be on the next gen, but I don't know.

966
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: I think it's about it comes down to that internal

967
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: self esteem and you know, I talk about you know,

968
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: a story in the book where I found out my

969
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: partner was cheating on me, and it really put me

970
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: into a deep darkness. But it was going to apply

971
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 1: to him when I found out that he was cheating,

972
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: where I said, you know, please don't leave me. And

973
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: the basis of that came down to that my own

974
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: self worth was really struggling. So I think first and

975
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: foremost that comes down to you within and making sure

976
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: that your framework of self is no one else's framework.

977
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: It's got to be your own instead. It's go steadfast

978
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: in that and being really clear on that, because I

979
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: think that's when you start to attract what is meant

980
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: for you. I think when we're trying to bend ourselves

981
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: into pretzels and accommodate things that grow, you know, outside

982
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: of our own values and boundaries, that's when we start

983
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: to attract things that just aren't meant for us at

984
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: the end of the day. So I think, yeah, my

985
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: first news advice is don't take on other people's framework.

986
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: You know, I share very honestly, I'm not even sure

987
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: I want children. Yeah, thats went through egg freezing to

988
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: give myself, you know, further options, and like you know,

989
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: the traditional framework is as well, you meet someone at

990
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: this age, you have kids at this age, you do X,

991
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: Y and Z, and you tick ticktick all these boxes

992
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: and I'm like, whose boxes are they? Like, maybe what's

993
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: right for one is not right for the other. So

994
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: getting really clear what your framework is and then solidifying

995
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: who you are and I think that's the basis of that.

996
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's such good advice.

997
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: And it can be so easy to lose yourself, like

998
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 2: you're out, you know, projecting to the outside world. You're

999
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 2: your own woman and you're doing all these things. But

1000
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: we do have an emotional side, we do have a

1001
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: personal side behind the scenes. You can get lost in

1002
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 2: someone else's framework and ideals if you're not creating any

1003
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: boundaries or even putting time into that side of yourself.

1004
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 2: And I think that's something that also happens with our careers,

1005
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: is that, particularly when you do love what you do

1006
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: and it is unconventional and you do have a lot

1007
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: of freedom over your movement and your time and it

1008
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like work. You don't bother creating any boundaries

1009
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 2: for play, because like, why would you. Your work's a

1010
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: fun thing. You don't need a break from that. But

1011
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: that's why the last section is your playta, which is

1012
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: making time to craft an identity for yourself that isn't productive,

1013
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: that isn't achieving all the time, and that allows yourself

1014
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: to waste time just because you enjoy a particular activity.

1015
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 2: And I think as children, we have such a curiosity

1016
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 2: for the world and we don't let expectations creep in.

1017
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: If we like something that's weird, we just do it anyway.

1018
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: But as adults we're like, oh no, if I find

1019
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 2: something quirky really fun, I'm just going to suppress that

1020
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: because what if I'm judged or what if no one

1021
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 2: wants to do it with me? But what has your

1022
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: relationship been to play? Do you have anything that you

1023
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 2: do that just helps you switch off? That's silly, and I.

1024
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: Think it's such an important thing. I remember someone asked

1025
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: me what when I had the jury business, and they're like,

1026
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: it's probably six years in. They're like, oh, what's your hobby?

1027
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: And I was like, designing jewelry and that was my hobby.

1028
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: But then I never replaced the hobby when I made

1029
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: it my career. And so my bigginess of buss and

1030
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: how I was like, even if you start, you turn

1031
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 1: your hobby into a career replace the hobby, Like you've

1032
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: got to have something that is non commercial to me,

1033
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: and I got onto this last lockdown, but paint find

1034
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: I love like I got these like which I have

1035
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: one here to show, but like the really intricate paint

1036
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: by numbers and I'm talking like thousands of thousands of

1037
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: little bits. You got a color in my and I

1038
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: truly find that. I then create space for new ideas

1039
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: to reach me. So it's almost like meditative but creative,

1040
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: and there's no commercial requirement at all. So paint by

1041
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: Numbers is my jam at the moment.

1042
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I love that. It's so true.

1043
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 2: I feel like because so many of us do, like

1044
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 2: our businesses start from a hobby. I just think like, oh, well,

1045
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,959
Speaker 2: that's what I'm passionate about. But even if you don't

1046
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 2: need a break energetically, I think just from leaving the

1047
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: business and coming back to it, you have better ideas,

1048
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: Like your creativity is refreshed, and my best ideas have

1049
00:49:58,600 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: happened when I'm away.

1050
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, like I say, I get my best is

1051
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: when I'm either in the shower or driving on the freeway.

1052
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 1: So now to keep my numbers because your mind's active,

1053
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: but you're not like, oh my gosh, I have to

1054
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: solve that problem. It's just it allows what is meant

1055
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: for you to find you. So, yeah, get a hobby.

1056
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: One needs a hobby.

1057
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 2: And I feel like giving yourself permission to waste time,

1058
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 2: like to do something that would otherwise seem like a

1059
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 2: waste of time because it's not woman because you're not like,

1060
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 2: it's not a waste because you enjoy it. You've had

1061
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 2: like a full hour of fun that's just pure pleasure.

1062
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: But that's also the traditional framework of well it's a waste,

1063
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,479
Speaker 1: Like why do we think it's a waste of time?

1064
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: So I think always questioning our our long held beliefs

1065
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: to see if they really do service is really important.

1066
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1067
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Oh gosh, so many nuggets of wisdom.

1068
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 3: Just to finish up.

1069
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 2: Second last question is the three interesting things about you

1070
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 2: that don't normally come up in conversation, which is hard

1071
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 2: since you've just written a book and shared very openly

1072
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 2: about lots of parts of your life.

1073
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 3: One that I loved was at one.

1074
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 2: Of your first jobs was at the hogs Breath Cafe,

1075
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: which I think is hilarious, But also playing Cinderella, which

1076
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 2: makes me think that you'd be a great actress and

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00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 2: you could play yourself in the movie interpretation off of

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00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: Gold and Dust.

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00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: You know. I was Cinderella in a nurse theme park.

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00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: That's a loose term for what it was. It's fantasy

1081
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: Glades in pot mcquarie, and it was like built say

1082
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: on four acres of enchanted green forest, but it was

1083
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: like four acres of sport plan So that was my job.

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00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: I had lots of jobs that wouldn't even fit in

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00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: the book, Like I was like worked in a galley

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00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: on a boat. I like every type of different job

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00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: that you can imagine. Before I got it together. When

1088
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: I was little, I learned taught myself sign language, like

1089
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: really basic sign language because I'm an only child. This

1090
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: sounds sad, but it's not really.

1091
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 3: So you could talk to yourself in the mirror.

1092
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,479
Speaker 1: Because it used to be in the we the yellow

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00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: pages in the phone book, and I remember Mum and

1094
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: Dad were doing something and I was like, I'm just

1095
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: going to sit here and read the phone book because

1096
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: I didn't have brothers or sisters, and told myself my

1097
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: God in sign language, Oh.

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Speaker 3: My god, that's so cute.

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Speaker 2: Didn't you also do like flute concerts outside your parents.

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Speaker 1: Diss or something done at all.

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00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 4: For that.

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00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: If there's a message to take from that, it's you've

1103
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 2: got to try everything to figure out you. Yay, just

1104
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 2: try things. Emphasize right, flute and basketball. You're a basketballer, basketballer, yeah, yeah,

1105
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 2: an ice cream server and an ice cream server. Multi talented.

1106
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 2: This woman, your Linkeodin is just like wa. And since

1107
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 2: I love quote so much, the last question is what

1108
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: is your favorite quote?

1109
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: I think it has to be the one that you

1110
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 1: said before, which is the universe only has three answers

1111
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: for us, yes, not right now, or have something in

1112
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: store for you. I think it's no matter whether you

1113
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 1: have a spiritual belief or if your have religious beliefs.

1114
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: I think it's it's just so during that over to

1115
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: be like what is meant for you is making its

1116
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 1: way to you right.

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00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, absolutely beautiful way to finish. Thank you

1118
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 2: so so much for your time. I could have talked

1119
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 2: to you for like five hours. I'm going to go

1120
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 2: and read this book all over again.

1121
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 3: It is so beautiful.

1122
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: Thank you for providing this platform. I think the conversations

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00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: that you facilitate are so important and I'm so grateful

1124
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: to be a guest on your show.

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00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 2: Well she is well and truly one of Australia's Golden Girls.

1126
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 2: I took so much out of this amazing chat and

1127
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: Samantha's incredible new book of Gold and Dust. It's such

1128
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 2: a beautiful read that feels like she's speaking directly to

1129
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 2: you with so much warmth and wisdom. And Samantha has

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Speaker 2: generously given the neighborhood a twenty dollar voucher. If you

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Speaker 2: want to have a read yourself, you seize the A

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Speaker 2: twenty at the checkout before December thirty one to get

1133
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 2: your little dose of Golden Yay. The link is in

1134
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 2: the show notes. I can't recommend it more highly. As always,

1135
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 2: it means so much when you share these episodes, tagging

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Speaker 2: our guests to show them what you thought or any

1137
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 2: aha moments in your lives that they may have sparked.

1138
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 2: I've had such lovely feedback about you guys showering people

1139
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 2: with love. It means so much for them to know

1140
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 2: where the episode and what their words did for you

1141
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 2: guys out in the neighborhood. So please get sharing, tagging

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Speaker 2: at Samantha Wheels and myself so we can keep growing

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Speaker 2: the yighborhood as far and wide as possible, and I

1144
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 2: always always forget to ask. But if you haven't hit subscribe,

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Speaker 2: or if you are enjoying listening, if you haven't left

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Speaker 2: a review, it takes just a couple of seconds, and

1147
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 2: it's so so important to us to help keep this

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Speaker 2: an independent show, growing as far and wide as possible,

1149
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Speaker 2: and keep looking in guests like the wonderful Samantha. I

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Speaker 2: hope you're having an amazing week and are seizing your

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Speaker 2: yeay