1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:20,584 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:25,184 --> 00:00:28,024 Speaker 3: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop 5 00:00:28,064 --> 00:00:31,544 Speaker 3: culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Cassania Lukitch and 6 00:00:31,664 --> 00:00:34,664 Speaker 3: coming up on the show today, people were devastated and 7 00:00:34,704 --> 00:00:37,264 Speaker 3: betrayed when they found out that Liam Neeson and Pamela 8 00:00:37,304 --> 00:00:40,944 Speaker 3: Anderson had potentially been faking their romance for pr We've 9 00:00:40,944 --> 00:00:42,664 Speaker 3: had some new developments for the story, so we're going 10 00:00:42,704 --> 00:00:45,384 Speaker 3: to jump into that. Plus, this year, Katie Perry has 11 00:00:45,424 --> 00:00:47,584 Speaker 3: been one of the most hated women in the world, 12 00:00:47,784 --> 00:00:50,024 Speaker 3: but she's had a little redemption arc that no one 13 00:00:50,104 --> 00:00:51,704 Speaker 3: is talking about and we're going to get into that. 14 00:00:52,344 --> 00:00:54,864 Speaker 3: But first a little romance to kick us off. 15 00:00:55,104 --> 00:00:57,024 Speaker 1: I love a little bit of romance. 16 00:00:57,504 --> 00:01:00,024 Speaker 3: So over the weekend, it was announced that actress Chloe 17 00:01:00,064 --> 00:01:03,784 Speaker 3: Grace Moretz had married her long term partner Kate Harrison, 18 00:01:04,184 --> 00:01:07,344 Speaker 3: and this news came via Vogue in a beautiful spread 19 00:01:07,384 --> 00:01:10,664 Speaker 3: of the two now wives both having their dress fitting 20 00:01:10,664 --> 00:01:14,064 Speaker 3: with Louis Vuton. So, Chloe, who's an actress I feel like, 21 00:01:14,104 --> 00:01:15,344 Speaker 3: has just been on our screens. 22 00:01:15,344 --> 00:01:16,944 Speaker 2: Like I can't even remember. The first time I saw 23 00:01:16,944 --> 00:01:18,184 Speaker 2: her was probably in Kick Us. 24 00:01:18,264 --> 00:01:20,144 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was kind of Yeah, that was like her 25 00:01:20,144 --> 00:01:22,544 Speaker 1: big breakout role. She was like thirteen at the time 26 00:01:22,584 --> 00:01:25,144 Speaker 1: when Kick Us came out, and she's just been a 27 00:01:25,344 --> 00:01:29,384 Speaker 1: real constant. Yes, you know, always working, always doing something, 28 00:01:29,984 --> 00:01:32,464 Speaker 1: but not like a super super duper a lista, but 29 00:01:32,544 --> 00:01:34,224 Speaker 1: we know she's there. She's always working. 30 00:01:34,344 --> 00:01:36,784 Speaker 3: Yeah, she was a huge child actor and then did 31 00:01:36,824 --> 00:01:39,784 Speaker 3: a lot of comedy movies and things like Bad Neighbors Too, 32 00:01:39,824 --> 00:01:41,864 Speaker 3: that sort of thing, a lot of those kind of 33 00:01:41,904 --> 00:01:44,824 Speaker 3: like teen movies, those like dystopied action movies like The 34 00:01:44,864 --> 00:01:47,304 Speaker 3: Fifth Wave, did some like stuff with Johnny Depp and 35 00:01:47,304 --> 00:01:49,784 Speaker 3: like Dark Shadows. I think her Laters show The Peripheral 36 00:01:49,904 --> 00:01:50,824 Speaker 3: was her last kind. 37 00:01:50,624 --> 00:01:51,224 Speaker 2: Of big role. 38 00:01:51,464 --> 00:01:53,704 Speaker 3: But yeah, has always been around since she was a child, 39 00:01:54,064 --> 00:01:56,784 Speaker 3: and she encaged only announced their engagement I think it 40 00:01:56,824 --> 00:01:58,664 Speaker 3: was just over a year ago, but they've been together 41 00:01:58,744 --> 00:02:01,824 Speaker 3: forenderly seven years, but just keeping their relationship out of 42 00:02:01,824 --> 00:02:04,624 Speaker 3: the spotlight. So the first we heard of this wedding 43 00:02:05,024 --> 00:02:07,984 Speaker 3: was Vogue sharing these videos of the two now wives 44 00:02:08,144 --> 00:02:11,224 Speaker 3: going into Louis Vaton studio because. 45 00:02:11,024 --> 00:02:13,224 Speaker 2: They were having both their bridal. 46 00:02:12,784 --> 00:02:14,624 Speaker 3: Looks to walk down the aisle done and their after 47 00:02:14,664 --> 00:02:16,704 Speaker 3: party looks, and they wanted to keep that little bit 48 00:02:16,704 --> 00:02:19,824 Speaker 3: of tradition of not seeing each other's dresses or looks 49 00:02:19,904 --> 00:02:22,304 Speaker 3: or anything until they were walking down the aisle. 50 00:02:22,344 --> 00:02:23,304 Speaker 2: So I was really keep watching the. 51 00:02:23,304 --> 00:02:26,104 Speaker 3: Vogue video and seeing it the sort of camera go 52 00:02:26,184 --> 00:02:27,984 Speaker 3: between the two rooms where they were both getting their 53 00:02:28,064 --> 00:02:29,144 Speaker 3: dresses made secretly. 54 00:02:29,584 --> 00:02:33,224 Speaker 1: Yeah, So Nicholas Gascaire did both of the looks for 55 00:02:33,464 --> 00:02:34,664 Speaker 1: They both had two looks. 56 00:02:34,704 --> 00:02:35,024 Speaker 2: Age. 57 00:02:35,784 --> 00:02:42,584 Speaker 1: Chloe's first look was this beautiful powder bloom. Oh my god. 58 00:02:43,264 --> 00:02:45,984 Speaker 4: It just feels like me, you know, it feels like 59 00:02:46,024 --> 00:02:49,864 Speaker 4: an extension of what I would have always hoped for. 60 00:02:50,184 --> 00:02:53,064 Speaker 4: And I think, like I never really envisioned a wedding 61 00:02:53,184 --> 00:02:54,944 Speaker 4: dress in my mind growing up, and so when we 62 00:02:54,984 --> 00:02:57,744 Speaker 4: started talking about what that would look like, I knew 63 00:02:57,784 --> 00:03:01,024 Speaker 4: immediately that I wanted to do something non traditional, you know, 64 00:03:01,064 --> 00:03:04,224 Speaker 4: and not wear white and kind of have it feel different. 65 00:03:04,464 --> 00:03:10,784 Speaker 4: And I think it really does. You guys, you're maybe cry, 66 00:03:11,064 --> 00:03:13,744 Speaker 4: oh wow, It's so perfect. 67 00:03:13,984 --> 00:03:16,184 Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with it. Like, I don't think I've ever 68 00:03:16,224 --> 00:03:19,264 Speaker 1: seen like a powder blue bridal gown before. But she 69 00:03:19,344 --> 00:03:21,984 Speaker 1: even had a blue veil. Yeah, I just think she 70 00:03:22,024 --> 00:03:25,264 Speaker 1: looked so beautiful and so happy. And then Kate was 71 00:03:25,264 --> 00:03:27,024 Speaker 1: a little bit more traditional with like a sort of 72 00:03:27,064 --> 00:03:32,504 Speaker 1: strapless embroidered beaded gown. But I think this is obviously 73 00:03:32,624 --> 00:03:34,904 Speaker 1: they're going to do all of the wedding photos. I'll 74 00:03:34,904 --> 00:03:38,624 Speaker 1: do a Vogue spread when that comes out. But yeah, 75 00:03:38,784 --> 00:03:41,984 Speaker 1: just stunning seeing that little snake peak of them sort 76 00:03:41,984 --> 00:03:44,104 Speaker 1: of really loved up, even though they weren't in the 77 00:03:44,184 --> 00:03:46,864 Speaker 1: room together, that you could just see how excited they were. 78 00:03:47,184 --> 00:03:49,304 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was because Chloe she is a fashion girl, 79 00:03:49,304 --> 00:03:51,544 Speaker 3: but not one of those fashion girlies who sort of 80 00:03:51,864 --> 00:03:53,864 Speaker 3: I guess like everyone copies her looks and things. 81 00:03:53,864 --> 00:03:54,944 Speaker 2: It's more under the radar. 82 00:03:55,024 --> 00:03:57,064 Speaker 3: And that blue dress is because one of the first 83 00:03:57,104 --> 00:03:58,784 Speaker 3: times she worked with Louis Vuitton, they did a bit 84 00:03:58,784 --> 00:04:00,864 Speaker 3: of a blue for her for this dress that she 85 00:04:00,904 --> 00:04:02,584 Speaker 3: wore to an event, and she said, I was never 86 00:04:02,624 --> 00:04:04,664 Speaker 3: the girl who pictured at a wedding dress, but I 87 00:04:04,704 --> 00:04:06,264 Speaker 3: always thought like, if I was going to have a 88 00:04:06,304 --> 00:04:08,264 Speaker 3: really special dress, it would be in that blue. 89 00:04:08,344 --> 00:04:08,704 Speaker 2: I liked it. 90 00:04:08,664 --> 00:04:10,064 Speaker 3: It was kind of like Elsa because it had like 91 00:04:10,144 --> 00:04:12,544 Speaker 3: it was like straight down with the ruffles and the 92 00:04:12,544 --> 00:04:14,624 Speaker 3: blue veil. It was kind of like Elsa from Frozen 93 00:04:14,704 --> 00:04:17,544 Speaker 3: meets Cinderella, but like in a cool girl fashion way, 94 00:04:17,704 --> 00:04:19,904 Speaker 3: and then she had a cowboy hat for the after party. 95 00:04:20,224 --> 00:04:22,024 Speaker 3: I might newly obsessed with them as a couple, Like 96 00:04:22,024 --> 00:04:24,024 Speaker 3: I knew they were together, but they're so private that 97 00:04:24,064 --> 00:04:26,024 Speaker 3: I just didn't have anything to latch onto in a 98 00:04:26,064 --> 00:04:28,544 Speaker 3: really parasocial way, and now I do. She had the 99 00:04:28,584 --> 00:04:31,384 Speaker 3: cowboy hat on because they love horseback riding and they 100 00:04:31,384 --> 00:04:33,424 Speaker 3: were going to do line dancing at their reception, so 101 00:04:33,464 --> 00:04:35,464 Speaker 3: that was a little nod to that. And I'm just 102 00:04:35,464 --> 00:04:37,864 Speaker 3: so glad that this girl has found her like happily 103 00:04:37,904 --> 00:04:40,544 Speaker 3: ever after, because you know, she dated Brooklyn Beckham for 104 00:04:40,584 --> 00:04:42,184 Speaker 3: like five years, and I. 105 00:04:42,104 --> 00:04:43,904 Speaker 2: Think she had a pretty shit time with that boy. 106 00:04:44,304 --> 00:04:48,264 Speaker 1: I think that's probably why she's kept this relationship so private, 107 00:04:48,424 --> 00:04:51,704 Speaker 1: is because her relationship with Brooklyn Beckham, which was I 108 00:04:51,744 --> 00:04:54,304 Speaker 1: think two thousand and fourteen, two thousand and ninety, so 109 00:04:54,344 --> 00:04:56,824 Speaker 1: that they did date for quite a while and there 110 00:04:56,904 --> 00:04:59,504 Speaker 1: was so much public scrutiny around it. She was constantly 111 00:04:59,544 --> 00:05:03,464 Speaker 1: being papped, and I think that kind of the way 112 00:05:03,544 --> 00:05:07,784 Speaker 1: that relationship played out. When she finally did start her 113 00:05:07,784 --> 00:05:10,624 Speaker 1: relationship with Kate was like, let's keep this on the 114 00:05:10,664 --> 00:05:14,584 Speaker 1: down low. She didn't even really quote unquote come out 115 00:05:15,064 --> 00:05:18,464 Speaker 1: until she endorsed Kamala Harris, but she was like it 116 00:05:18,504 --> 00:05:20,184 Speaker 1: was kind of like an open secret. She just never 117 00:05:20,224 --> 00:05:23,424 Speaker 1: felt like she needed to, yeah, acculdly come out. Yeah, 118 00:05:23,424 --> 00:05:25,304 Speaker 1: And I think it is because the Brooklyn stuff. I 119 00:05:25,304 --> 00:05:27,344 Speaker 1: mean that was when I mean, she's obviously still famous now, 120 00:05:27,344 --> 00:05:28,784 Speaker 1: but that wasn't the height of a lot of her 121 00:05:28,824 --> 00:05:31,344 Speaker 1: movies coming out. It was when Brooklyn was starting to 122 00:05:31,344 --> 00:05:33,824 Speaker 1: be a bit of a celebrity in his own ride 123 00:05:33,864 --> 00:05:36,344 Speaker 1: and every time she talked about him publicly, which she 124 00:05:36,464 --> 00:05:39,264 Speaker 1: rarely did, but she would also refer to him as 125 00:05:39,304 --> 00:05:41,624 Speaker 1: that boy, which I think is kind of like at 126 00:05:41,624 --> 00:05:43,024 Speaker 1: the time, she kind of knew he was a bit 127 00:05:43,024 --> 00:05:45,104 Speaker 1: of a douche, like he had good intentions, but she 128 00:05:45,224 --> 00:05:47,384 Speaker 1: was sort of talking about him wanting to be a 129 00:05:47,384 --> 00:05:49,224 Speaker 1: sports player and wanting to be a chef, Like I 130 00:05:49,224 --> 00:05:51,224 Speaker 1: think she was the first person to realize that he 131 00:05:51,264 --> 00:05:54,424 Speaker 1: had no sort of like career ambition. But yeah, they 132 00:05:54,424 --> 00:05:57,224 Speaker 1: broke up and got back together about three or four times, 133 00:05:57,264 --> 00:05:59,264 Speaker 1: and there was that time like I'm sure it's all innocent, 134 00:05:59,304 --> 00:06:01,184 Speaker 1: young love, but there was that time when he was 135 00:06:01,224 --> 00:06:03,744 Speaker 1: pictured with like a French model at a party, and 136 00:06:03,744 --> 00:06:05,584 Speaker 1: then he posted the photo and then they broke up, 137 00:06:05,584 --> 00:06:07,264 Speaker 1: and then they got back together, and then she spoke 138 00:06:07,264 --> 00:06:09,904 Speaker 1: about him publicly for the first time on Watch What 139 00:06:10,024 --> 00:06:12,184 Speaker 1: Happened Live, and then they broke up again. It was 140 00:06:12,184 --> 00:06:14,424 Speaker 1: one of those things where it's like just in this 141 00:06:14,624 --> 00:06:16,744 Speaker 1: cycle where they couldn't break out of it, and every 142 00:06:16,824 --> 00:06:19,464 Speaker 1: time they had to break up, the headlines went everywhere. 143 00:06:19,784 --> 00:06:21,984 Speaker 1: From what I can tell, she does seem to be 144 00:06:22,024 --> 00:06:23,944 Speaker 1: more of a private person, and as we know, she's 145 00:06:23,984 --> 00:06:26,784 Speaker 1: been on screen since she was like thirteen. You know, 146 00:06:26,904 --> 00:06:29,744 Speaker 1: she says that these perhaps all of this media attention 147 00:06:29,864 --> 00:06:32,944 Speaker 1: gave her a lot of anxiety because as you're growing up, 148 00:06:32,984 --> 00:06:35,504 Speaker 1: you're going through puberty. We know this with child stars. 149 00:06:36,064 --> 00:06:38,624 Speaker 1: That is a lot of pressure to put on someone. So, 150 00:06:39,224 --> 00:06:41,904 Speaker 1: you know, she seems so much happier here, obviously because 151 00:06:41,984 --> 00:06:45,304 Speaker 1: now she's come out as gay. And it was just 152 00:06:45,384 --> 00:06:48,064 Speaker 1: such a lovely set of photos and videos and it 153 00:06:48,184 --> 00:06:50,704 Speaker 1: just made me really happy, made me so warm and fuzzy. 154 00:06:51,504 --> 00:06:53,384 Speaker 1: So I'm sure we'll see all of the wedding photos 155 00:06:53,424 --> 00:06:56,304 Speaker 1: in Vogue later on in the year, but it was 156 00:06:56,344 --> 00:07:00,184 Speaker 1: a Great Snake Peeka Nana. Okay, so this is the 157 00:07:00,304 --> 00:07:05,224 Speaker 1: romance that nobody really saw coming. But the rumors between 158 00:07:05,904 --> 00:07:11,304 Speaker 1: Liam Neeson and Pamela Anderson dating have been solating and 159 00:07:11,344 --> 00:07:15,304 Speaker 1: going back and forth for like almost a year now now. 160 00:07:15,344 --> 00:07:18,704 Speaker 1: Back in September, Lee Neeson was doing some press and 161 00:07:18,744 --> 00:07:21,704 Speaker 1: he was talking about filming The Naked Gun and how 162 00:07:21,744 --> 00:07:25,224 Speaker 1: he said he was deeply in love with Pamela Anderson. 163 00:07:25,984 --> 00:07:29,264 Speaker 1: And then as the press tour went on, which was 164 00:07:29,304 --> 00:07:32,384 Speaker 1: sort of earlier on this year, basically the rumors were 165 00:07:32,384 --> 00:07:35,984 Speaker 1: saying that they're together, they're in love, they were really 166 00:07:35,984 --> 00:07:40,064 Speaker 1: touching feely. Pamela Anderson's kissing Liam on the cheek, and 167 00:07:40,264 --> 00:07:42,584 Speaker 1: it was just this sort of back and forth of 168 00:07:43,104 --> 00:07:46,104 Speaker 1: are they or aren't they? Then it starts to come 169 00:07:46,104 --> 00:07:49,144 Speaker 1: out that this is a really big PR stunt. So 170 00:07:49,264 --> 00:07:53,664 Speaker 1: apparently someone told TMZ that they were very aware that 171 00:07:53,704 --> 00:07:57,024 Speaker 1: this was a PR stunt. Another source said, no, I've 172 00:07:57,064 --> 00:08:00,264 Speaker 1: seen them kissing on the red carpet somewhere. No, I've 173 00:08:00,304 --> 00:08:03,184 Speaker 1: seen them holding hands. And it is just this like 174 00:08:03,904 --> 00:08:07,784 Speaker 1: sauces sources sources, which we know is sometimes very complicated 175 00:08:08,224 --> 00:08:12,784 Speaker 1: when you don't hear anything official from their parties, you know, 176 00:08:12,824 --> 00:08:16,464 Speaker 1: publicity teams. You just hear Sauce says this. Sauce says that, 177 00:08:17,024 --> 00:08:19,224 Speaker 1: but I think that they are together. 178 00:08:19,584 --> 00:08:20,424 Speaker 2: Oh why do you think that? 179 00:08:20,824 --> 00:08:23,024 Speaker 1: Because I want it to be that way. 180 00:08:23,104 --> 00:08:25,184 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I mean, whether they were together or not, 181 00:08:25,264 --> 00:08:28,824 Speaker 3: they certainly wanted people to think that during the press cycle. 182 00:08:28,904 --> 00:08:31,144 Speaker 3: I think just because of like like if you see 183 00:08:31,184 --> 00:08:33,104 Speaker 3: the videos and then walking onto the red car, but 184 00:08:33,184 --> 00:08:35,264 Speaker 3: they'd be chatting naturally, but once they get in front 185 00:08:35,264 --> 00:08:37,424 Speaker 3: of the cameras there would be a bit more touchy 186 00:08:37,464 --> 00:08:40,384 Speaker 3: feeling and kissy that sort of stuff, which I guess 187 00:08:40,504 --> 00:08:42,104 Speaker 3: is fair because you want you don't want rooms to 188 00:08:42,104 --> 00:08:43,664 Speaker 3: start that you hate each other. And then then we're 189 00:08:43,664 --> 00:08:46,544 Speaker 3: doing all their sit down interviews. They would use a 190 00:08:46,584 --> 00:08:48,704 Speaker 3: lot of a language that would allude to it. But 191 00:08:48,744 --> 00:08:51,904 Speaker 3: then Liam Neeson himself would get very angry in interviewers 192 00:08:52,144 --> 00:08:55,224 Speaker 3: who asked them if they were directly together. But I 193 00:08:55,264 --> 00:08:57,904 Speaker 3: think why people felt so angry and betrayed afterwards is 194 00:08:57,904 --> 00:09:00,024 Speaker 3: that it came out that they haven't seen each other, 195 00:09:00,064 --> 00:09:01,864 Speaker 3: Like they filmed the movie, they didn't see each other 196 00:09:01,944 --> 00:09:03,784 Speaker 3: until the press tour, and now they haven't seen each 197 00:09:03,784 --> 00:09:08,064 Speaker 3: other since. And it's that lack of like photos or 198 00:09:08,104 --> 00:09:10,544 Speaker 3: like people knowing that they've been in different cities that 199 00:09:10,584 --> 00:09:12,904 Speaker 3: they have been a part is why people think that 200 00:09:12,904 --> 00:09:15,944 Speaker 3: they're not together anymore and feeling very angry about it. 201 00:09:16,464 --> 00:09:19,424 Speaker 1: I don't know why people are angry, but I mean, again, 202 00:09:19,544 --> 00:09:23,184 Speaker 1: I just it's so hard to know why would they 203 00:09:23,224 --> 00:09:26,024 Speaker 1: do it as a PR stunt because the movie's done 204 00:09:26,184 --> 00:09:26,744 Speaker 1: very well. 205 00:09:27,104 --> 00:09:28,744 Speaker 3: The movie has done well, and the thing is, like, 206 00:09:28,784 --> 00:09:31,864 Speaker 3: I just think that people think PR stunts happen way 207 00:09:31,904 --> 00:09:34,544 Speaker 3: more than they actually do. But this is kind of 208 00:09:34,624 --> 00:09:37,064 Speaker 3: has all the hallmarks of a classic PR stunt. 209 00:09:37,424 --> 00:09:38,304 Speaker 2: I think sometimes when you. 210 00:09:38,304 --> 00:09:40,384 Speaker 3: Can spot a fake as and you can spot people 211 00:09:40,464 --> 00:09:42,064 Speaker 3: who are really in love and not just doing a 212 00:09:42,064 --> 00:09:46,464 Speaker 3: PR stunt, if they stay together long after the movie's finished, 213 00:09:46,984 --> 00:09:49,344 Speaker 3: or if they're like they're family and kids are involved 214 00:09:49,344 --> 00:09:51,264 Speaker 3: in stuff like that. Like I always find out while 215 00:09:51,344 --> 00:09:55,544 Speaker 3: that people would think that two celebrities would stay together, 216 00:09:55,904 --> 00:09:59,304 Speaker 3: travel together, have photos of their family together just to 217 00:09:59,344 --> 00:10:01,864 Speaker 3: promote a movie they finish working on, when if you 218 00:10:01,904 --> 00:10:03,944 Speaker 3: know half these celebs, like they'll barely do a press 219 00:10:03,984 --> 00:10:05,784 Speaker 3: to her, Like they get angry about having to sit 220 00:10:05,824 --> 00:10:07,224 Speaker 3: in a room for half a day and get paid 221 00:10:07,224 --> 00:10:08,904 Speaker 3: a million dollars, So they're not doing that for a 222 00:10:08,944 --> 00:10:10,304 Speaker 3: movie that they're not invested in. 223 00:10:10,784 --> 00:10:12,784 Speaker 2: But I think with Liam and Pamela. 224 00:10:12,504 --> 00:10:15,264 Speaker 3: Like the stakes for this movie were so high, Like 225 00:10:15,384 --> 00:10:17,424 Speaker 3: in a way, the Naked Gun was one of the 226 00:10:17,424 --> 00:10:20,584 Speaker 3: most important movies of the year because what we can 227 00:10:20,584 --> 00:10:22,504 Speaker 3: tell from how the box office is going now is 228 00:10:22,504 --> 00:10:26,704 Speaker 3: that Hollywood's really given up on comedy movies and comedy 229 00:10:26,744 --> 00:10:30,144 Speaker 3: releases in the cinemas and they've become something that only 230 00:10:30,144 --> 00:10:32,984 Speaker 3: go to streaming. So the Naked Gun was a really 231 00:10:32,984 --> 00:10:35,624 Speaker 3: big swing of bringing out this comedy movie and like, yes, 232 00:10:35,664 --> 00:10:38,584 Speaker 3: it's got ip that has fans, but I'm going to 233 00:10:38,624 --> 00:10:40,824 Speaker 3: go out an a legend say, like a lot of 234 00:10:40,864 --> 00:10:44,064 Speaker 3: consumers aren't huge Naked Gun fans that they would like 235 00:10:44,104 --> 00:10:46,784 Speaker 3: be flocking to the cinemas just to see that. So 236 00:10:47,104 --> 00:10:50,744 Speaker 3: the Pamela and Liam's side of it of people becoming 237 00:10:50,824 --> 00:10:54,584 Speaker 3: absolutely obsessed with their relationship before the movie helped the 238 00:10:54,624 --> 00:10:55,704 Speaker 3: movie do really well. 239 00:10:56,024 --> 00:10:58,664 Speaker 1: I also think so the original Naked Gun was in 240 00:10:58,784 --> 00:11:01,424 Speaker 1: eighty eight and it's Leslie Nielsen. It's like it was 241 00:11:01,464 --> 00:11:05,104 Speaker 1: a bit of a cult hit, yes, and quite iconic. 242 00:11:05,184 --> 00:11:07,184 Speaker 1: So the fact that it was a remake and someone 243 00:11:07,304 --> 00:11:11,824 Speaker 1: like Liam Neeson who hasn't traditionally been a comedy person, 244 00:11:12,544 --> 00:11:15,504 Speaker 1: but recently we've seen him doing these like more comedic 245 00:11:15,584 --> 00:11:19,944 Speaker 1: sketches and I think he actually does that comedy role 246 00:11:20,504 --> 00:11:23,384 Speaker 1: very very well. And then pam Anderson, you know, she 247 00:11:23,504 --> 00:11:29,184 Speaker 1: hasn't done a lot of film work recently either, So again, 248 00:11:29,224 --> 00:11:31,824 Speaker 1: the two of them in this movie, maybe it would 249 00:11:31,864 --> 00:11:36,104 Speaker 1: have shocked a few people seeing just a cover for it. 250 00:11:36,504 --> 00:11:38,624 Speaker 1: But you know, I haven't seen the movie yet, which 251 00:11:38,664 --> 00:11:41,904 Speaker 1: I'm actually quite excited to watch it, but the trailer's hilarious. 252 00:11:41,984 --> 00:11:44,984 Speaker 1: I think Liam's very funny, and I think, yes, the 253 00:11:45,064 --> 00:11:48,424 Speaker 1: roomors about them having a relationship would definitely have added 254 00:11:48,824 --> 00:11:50,464 Speaker 1: publicity around the movie. 255 00:11:50,704 --> 00:11:52,984 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it ended up doing quite well, and I 256 00:11:53,024 --> 00:11:54,784 Speaker 3: think it's one of those movies, Like there's been so 257 00:11:54,864 --> 00:11:57,184 Speaker 3: many movies that have tanked so badly this year, even 258 00:11:57,224 --> 00:11:59,704 Speaker 3: with really big stars, and it's all to do with 259 00:11:59,784 --> 00:12:02,224 Speaker 3: the press run and it's all to do now with 260 00:12:02,344 --> 00:12:04,584 Speaker 3: getting people to a cinema as the hardest. 261 00:12:04,304 --> 00:12:05,144 Speaker 2: Thing I know. 262 00:12:05,224 --> 00:12:06,984 Speaker 3: So many people said to me, like I cannot believe 263 00:12:06,984 --> 00:12:09,824 Speaker 3: that Liam Nethan and also Pamela Anderson, like where they 264 00:12:09,864 --> 00:12:11,824 Speaker 3: are with their careers, the fact they've been famous for 265 00:12:11,904 --> 00:12:14,504 Speaker 3: decades that they would be the ones to lead into 266 00:12:14,544 --> 00:12:15,384 Speaker 3: a pr stunt. 267 00:12:15,624 --> 00:12:16,864 Speaker 2: But when you look at the fact that. 268 00:12:16,824 --> 00:12:18,864 Speaker 3: They had worked really hard on this movie and that 269 00:12:18,904 --> 00:12:20,824 Speaker 3: their earnings were tied to how well it did the 270 00:12:20,824 --> 00:12:24,304 Speaker 3: box office, it was almost like a bridesmaid situation where 271 00:12:24,424 --> 00:12:27,224 Speaker 3: other studios are holding their comedy releases to kind of 272 00:12:27,264 --> 00:12:29,944 Speaker 3: see how The Naked Gun did, and that will set 273 00:12:29,944 --> 00:12:33,184 Speaker 3: the tone for like if comedies go to keep going 274 00:12:33,224 --> 00:12:35,344 Speaker 3: to these big screen releases, kind of like how when 275 00:12:35,344 --> 00:12:38,184 Speaker 3: Bridesmaids came out at the time, the director Paul fig 276 00:12:38,264 --> 00:12:40,784 Speaker 3: told me that all these studios were waiting to see 277 00:12:40,824 --> 00:12:42,704 Speaker 3: how that would do, to see if they would greenlight 278 00:12:42,744 --> 00:12:44,864 Speaker 3: their movies, to see if a female led comedy, which 279 00:12:44,864 --> 00:12:47,824 Speaker 3: seems whild to say now, could make money. And so 280 00:12:47,944 --> 00:12:50,344 Speaker 3: The Naked Gun is kind of that of twenty twenty five, 281 00:12:50,624 --> 00:12:52,104 Speaker 3: So I feel like they would do it for the money. 282 00:12:52,384 --> 00:12:54,544 Speaker 3: Also in saying that maybe they are madly in love 283 00:12:54,944 --> 00:12:56,984 Speaker 3: and they're just not showing it. Like this week, actually, 284 00:12:57,264 --> 00:12:59,144 Speaker 3: I was on this podcast saying that Scooter Braun and 285 00:12:59,184 --> 00:13:02,104 Speaker 3: Sidney Sweeney were definitely not together, and then today People 286 00:13:02,144 --> 00:13:05,784 Speaker 3: magazine has reported that they are dating, so who knows 287 00:13:05,784 --> 00:13:07,104 Speaker 3: what these crazy sleds are doing. 288 00:13:07,224 --> 00:13:09,104 Speaker 1: I would really like to see them together. I think 289 00:13:09,144 --> 00:13:13,144 Speaker 1: that they are a great little match. And I also 290 00:13:13,304 --> 00:13:16,264 Speaker 1: am very excited to see more great comedies. I feel 291 00:13:16,304 --> 00:13:21,784 Speaker 1: like we've really lost good quality comedy in recent years. 292 00:13:21,784 --> 00:13:23,344 Speaker 1: You know, we had a great run of them in 293 00:13:23,344 --> 00:13:26,384 Speaker 1: this of twenty twenty tens, and it's been a while 294 00:13:26,544 --> 00:13:31,864 Speaker 1: since we've had laugh out loud, great comedic CineMAA naa. 295 00:13:33,544 --> 00:13:35,184 Speaker 3: So I think it's not crazy to go out in 296 00:13:35,224 --> 00:13:37,784 Speaker 3: a limon say that. It's been a pretty tough year 297 00:13:37,784 --> 00:13:40,904 Speaker 3: for Katie Perry. And what's really kind of interesting but 298 00:13:40,944 --> 00:13:43,264 Speaker 3: mostly sad about that is that at the start of 299 00:13:43,304 --> 00:13:45,264 Speaker 3: this year, this did feel like it was going to 300 00:13:45,304 --> 00:13:49,384 Speaker 3: be her year. Like she was talking about how madly 301 00:13:49,424 --> 00:13:51,464 Speaker 3: in love she was with the Orlando Bloom and how 302 00:13:51,504 --> 00:13:53,704 Speaker 3: happy they were together. When she did interviews at the 303 00:13:53,704 --> 00:13:55,904 Speaker 3: top of the year, she was talking about how much 304 00:13:55,944 --> 00:13:58,824 Speaker 3: she was loving being a mother to Daisy Dove Bloom. 305 00:13:58,824 --> 00:14:02,384 Speaker 3: But also she was releasing this highly anticipated new album, 306 00:14:02,544 --> 00:14:05,064 Speaker 3: and Katy Perry fans for which most of us have 307 00:14:05,144 --> 00:14:07,864 Speaker 3: been fans of her for like well over a decade now, 308 00:14:08,104 --> 00:14:10,944 Speaker 3: were so excited for this new release. She was winning 309 00:14:10,944 --> 00:14:13,624 Speaker 3: these Lifetime Achievement awards. People knew she was going on 310 00:14:13,664 --> 00:14:15,784 Speaker 3: a tour like it all should have been her year, 311 00:14:16,544 --> 00:14:19,504 Speaker 3: and then things kind of quickly fell apart because her 312 00:14:19,584 --> 00:14:24,344 Speaker 3: first single, Woman's World, got absolutely trashed, both the song 313 00:14:24,504 --> 00:14:26,664 Speaker 3: and the video clip with Your Fan. 314 00:14:27,024 --> 00:14:29,264 Speaker 1: No, And I think it was just because a lot 315 00:14:29,304 --> 00:14:31,264 Speaker 1: of people just said it was just so out of touch. 316 00:14:31,504 --> 00:14:33,384 Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't hate at the time, Like when I 317 00:14:33,424 --> 00:14:35,304 Speaker 3: first heard the song, I was a bit jarred because 318 00:14:35,344 --> 00:14:37,264 Speaker 3: I thought and I got to hear it before everyone else, 319 00:14:37,304 --> 00:14:38,984 Speaker 3: because I went to a little listening party and I 320 00:14:38,984 --> 00:14:40,824 Speaker 3: did like it, but it just wasn't the sound I 321 00:14:40,864 --> 00:14:43,504 Speaker 3: was expecting from her. But the more I listened to it, 322 00:14:43,544 --> 00:14:45,024 Speaker 3: the more I kind of got into it just felt 323 00:14:45,024 --> 00:14:46,624 Speaker 3: like a boppy song that should be playing in the 324 00:14:46,664 --> 00:14:48,744 Speaker 3: background of a movie or something like that. And then 325 00:14:48,744 --> 00:14:52,064 Speaker 3: the video clip it was very heavy handed with women like, uh, 326 00:14:52,104 --> 00:14:53,984 Speaker 3: you know the best that sort of vibe like it 327 00:14:54,024 --> 00:14:56,624 Speaker 3: was heavy handed, but a lot of time had been 328 00:14:56,704 --> 00:14:59,224 Speaker 3: spent on all the little details and all the little 329 00:14:59,304 --> 00:15:01,224 Speaker 3: nods and all the little facts and stuff, and I 330 00:15:01,264 --> 00:15:03,704 Speaker 3: thought like it was maybe unfairly trashed a little bit 331 00:15:04,344 --> 00:15:07,344 Speaker 3: and then when the album came out that was also trashed. 332 00:15:07,584 --> 00:15:10,264 Speaker 3: But I think like things really turned to her. Well, 333 00:15:10,504 --> 00:15:13,664 Speaker 3: Space Adventure really didn't help. 334 00:15:13,664 --> 00:15:16,184 Speaker 1: I was going to say, so, I think where people 335 00:15:16,384 --> 00:15:20,464 Speaker 1: really turned on her was this Blue Origin flight, which 336 00:15:20,704 --> 00:15:23,664 Speaker 1: was universally panned by almost highlight. 337 00:15:24,784 --> 00:15:26,464 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm happy that happened. 338 00:15:26,624 --> 00:15:29,584 Speaker 1: I loved watching it was very entertaining, but you know, 339 00:15:29,624 --> 00:15:32,024 Speaker 1: her kissing the ground and it was so over the top, 340 00:15:32,064 --> 00:15:34,184 Speaker 1: and I think it was in the same vein as 341 00:15:34,184 --> 00:15:38,384 Speaker 1: the music video where she's really trying to push this 342 00:15:38,464 --> 00:15:40,664 Speaker 1: like feminism and internet but and then it kind of 343 00:15:40,824 --> 00:15:43,824 Speaker 1: goes the other way. Is almost trying too hard to 344 00:15:43,824 --> 00:15:44,784 Speaker 1: push that narrative. 345 00:15:45,184 --> 00:15:47,384 Speaker 3: She just really misread the room on that one, and 346 00:15:47,384 --> 00:15:48,984 Speaker 3: we've all done it. Like, I think she thought that 347 00:15:49,024 --> 00:15:50,904 Speaker 3: she was going to be seen as this like iconic 348 00:15:50,904 --> 00:15:52,904 Speaker 3: feminist icon for going to space, So she had all 349 00:15:52,904 --> 00:15:56,144 Speaker 3: these little bits prepared, the bit of like, yeah, kissing 350 00:15:56,184 --> 00:15:58,704 Speaker 3: the ground, talking at being in love, holding up a 351 00:15:58,824 --> 00:16:00,304 Speaker 3: daisy which was for her daughter. So I feel like 352 00:16:00,304 --> 00:16:02,064 Speaker 3: I shouldn't shit on her too much for that, but 353 00:16:02,104 --> 00:16:04,864 Speaker 3: also being in space and announcing the setlist for her 354 00:16:04,864 --> 00:16:06,744 Speaker 3: Lifetime tours when she held it to the camera. 355 00:16:06,984 --> 00:16:08,704 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I actually loved the daisy. I thought 356 00:16:08,704 --> 00:16:12,064 Speaker 1: the daisy was cute, but holding up her set list 357 00:16:12,544 --> 00:16:13,504 Speaker 1: really gave me the yck. 358 00:16:13,744 --> 00:16:15,544 Speaker 2: I mean, she's a marketing girl at heart, like that 359 00:16:16,104 --> 00:16:16,904 Speaker 2: was the important thing. 360 00:16:17,344 --> 00:16:23,104 Speaker 1: However, all of this criticism has been proven very very wrong. 361 00:16:23,584 --> 00:16:26,664 Speaker 3: Yes, because all that happened and the backlash was quite intense, 362 00:16:26,744 --> 00:16:29,224 Speaker 3: but I feel like the real hurtful backlash for her 363 00:16:29,304 --> 00:16:32,824 Speaker 3: caine when she started doing her Lifetimes tour, which people 364 00:16:32,864 --> 00:16:34,984 Speaker 3: thought was a rip off the Era's Tour, which I 365 00:16:34,984 --> 00:16:38,624 Speaker 3: also thought was unfair because it's not uncommon for musicians 366 00:16:38,664 --> 00:16:41,024 Speaker 3: who have been famous for so long, have had so 367 00:16:41,064 --> 00:16:43,184 Speaker 3: many albums and hit songs, it's not uncommon for them 368 00:16:43,224 --> 00:16:45,744 Speaker 3: at one stage of their career to do a greatest 369 00:16:45,824 --> 00:16:48,624 Speaker 3: Hits tour, which is what she was doing. But then 370 00:16:48,904 --> 00:16:52,664 Speaker 3: videos from the concerts started trending in a really bad way, 371 00:16:53,104 --> 00:16:56,144 Speaker 3: showing her performance being bad, showing that people weren't coming 372 00:16:56,144 --> 00:16:59,344 Speaker 3: to the concerts, people were engaging with her, and basically 373 00:16:59,504 --> 00:17:02,744 Speaker 3: making this mockery of who she was and everything about 374 00:17:02,744 --> 00:17:05,544 Speaker 3: her was branded as a failure. From her album release 375 00:17:05,904 --> 00:17:09,424 Speaker 3: to her tour, and recently it's come out that the 376 00:17:09,544 --> 00:17:13,064 Speaker 3: tour wasn't as bad as people said. So she's already 377 00:17:13,064 --> 00:17:15,504 Speaker 3: sold one point one million tickets and grow smaller than 378 00:17:15,544 --> 00:17:18,024 Speaker 3: eighty million dollars in sales. This is her management has 379 00:17:18,064 --> 00:17:20,624 Speaker 3: given all of this information to Billboard. This expos a 380 00:17:20,904 --> 00:17:23,344 Speaker 3: kind of saying like, here you go saying that the 381 00:17:23,384 --> 00:17:26,824 Speaker 3: shows were like completely sold out mostly across the board, 382 00:17:26,904 --> 00:17:29,704 Speaker 3: and money that she's made, which is over the estimate 383 00:17:29,704 --> 00:17:31,224 Speaker 3: of what they thought she was going to make, doesn't 384 00:17:31,224 --> 00:17:34,424 Speaker 3: even include her next stops in like Latin America, Europe, 385 00:17:34,464 --> 00:17:37,264 Speaker 3: and China, where she'll sell even more tickets. So basically 386 00:17:37,304 --> 00:17:40,464 Speaker 3: they're saying after like, you saw the online criticism, but 387 00:17:40,584 --> 00:17:43,384 Speaker 3: what you didn't see was all the fans actually turning 388 00:17:43,424 --> 00:17:45,704 Speaker 3: out and selling out all her concerts to I mean. 389 00:17:45,944 --> 00:17:49,344 Speaker 1: It's really interesting and that must be just so satisfying 390 00:17:49,384 --> 00:17:52,464 Speaker 1: for her to be like if you look at this, 391 00:17:52,984 --> 00:17:55,944 Speaker 1: so also, it's gross eighty million in ticket sales gross, 392 00:17:55,984 --> 00:17:58,184 Speaker 1: So obviously she's got to pay everybody and do all 393 00:17:58,304 --> 00:18:01,664 Speaker 1: that stuff. But to have sold out all of those 394 00:18:01,704 --> 00:18:04,824 Speaker 1: shows that she's basically only halfway through this lifetime's tour, 395 00:18:05,264 --> 00:18:09,104 Speaker 1: to have sold all of those tickets and people are 396 00:18:09,264 --> 00:18:11,464 Speaker 1: enjoying it, and maybe at the beginning she was just 397 00:18:11,504 --> 00:18:12,984 Speaker 1: trying to get the hang of it a little bit, 398 00:18:13,024 --> 00:18:15,144 Speaker 1: and some of the costumes may have been cheesy, but 399 00:18:15,184 --> 00:18:19,144 Speaker 1: that isn't that White people love going to these big, 400 00:18:19,184 --> 00:18:22,304 Speaker 1: spectacular concerts, like you want to see a spectacle, you 401 00:18:22,344 --> 00:18:25,984 Speaker 1: want to be entertained. That is the part of going 402 00:18:25,984 --> 00:18:28,904 Speaker 1: to these big pop shows. I understand that there was 403 00:18:28,904 --> 00:18:31,304 Speaker 1: that criticism. I'm not the huge as Katy Perry fan, 404 00:18:31,384 --> 00:18:34,824 Speaker 1: although Raw has had a lot of air time in 405 00:18:34,864 --> 00:18:37,144 Speaker 1: my house at the moment because my four year old 406 00:18:37,184 --> 00:18:39,744 Speaker 1: is obsessed with it. It's a great song and I 407 00:18:39,904 --> 00:18:43,544 Speaker 1: now am finding myself singing it very, very loudly. But 408 00:18:43,744 --> 00:18:45,944 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it is just a really big 409 00:18:46,584 --> 00:18:49,384 Speaker 1: fe you to people and a great redemption art for her, 410 00:18:50,024 --> 00:18:53,144 Speaker 1: and I'm happy for her, especially after her divorce with 411 00:18:53,504 --> 00:18:58,464 Speaker 1: Orlando Bloom, well separation with Orlando Bloom, and she's able 412 00:18:58,504 --> 00:19:01,064 Speaker 1: to kind of revel in this success a little bit. 413 00:19:01,344 --> 00:19:05,584 Speaker 1: And it reminds me a lot of Rachel Zegler, who 414 00:19:05,744 --> 00:19:10,344 Speaker 1: after Snow White and all of that really bad public backlae. 415 00:19:11,144 --> 00:19:15,024 Speaker 1: So she's announced a one night only tour on October 416 00:19:15,024 --> 00:19:17,624 Speaker 1: fifth at the London Palladian theatre. It's a solo show, 417 00:19:18,184 --> 00:19:20,784 Speaker 1: and this is off the back of the immense success 418 00:19:20,944 --> 00:19:26,024 Speaker 1: as her role as Eva Perone in Evita. Now critics 419 00:19:26,064 --> 00:19:29,864 Speaker 1: absolutely adore her performance in this. The run is only 420 00:19:29,904 --> 00:19:32,984 Speaker 1: till September six, so it's just about to finish. So 421 00:19:33,024 --> 00:19:37,384 Speaker 1: I think after the success of that, they've gone, let's 422 00:19:37,504 --> 00:19:39,304 Speaker 1: give her this one night only show. We don't have 423 00:19:39,344 --> 00:19:41,584 Speaker 1: tickets on sale yet, but I'm sure that they will 424 00:19:41,624 --> 00:19:45,904 Speaker 1: sell out. But it's amazing to see how after all 425 00:19:45,944 --> 00:19:49,944 Speaker 1: of the backlash of Snow White people really disliking the 426 00:19:49,944 --> 00:19:54,344 Speaker 1: way that she handled the press, you know, her sarcasm, 427 00:19:55,144 --> 00:19:57,024 Speaker 1: the way that the Snow White movie, which just was 428 00:19:57,184 --> 00:20:01,464 Speaker 1: really panned, really affected her. But again, she's had this 429 00:20:01,584 --> 00:20:04,064 Speaker 1: massive redemption arc. And I think it's because she's gone 430 00:20:04,144 --> 00:20:07,304 Speaker 1: back to her theater roots. This is where she shines. 431 00:20:07,464 --> 00:20:09,864 Speaker 1: You know, she did Westside Story. She is an in 432 00:20:10,864 --> 00:20:15,064 Speaker 1: singer and showing people that she can perform on stage 433 00:20:15,064 --> 00:20:17,104 Speaker 1: and do this. I think this is like the perfect 434 00:20:17,784 --> 00:20:21,384 Speaker 1: redemption arc for her. And it's very, very similar to 435 00:20:21,464 --> 00:20:22,944 Speaker 1: this Katy Perry redemption arc. 436 00:20:23,384 --> 00:20:25,104 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I thought was interesting when I was 437 00:20:25,144 --> 00:20:28,664 Speaker 3: reading these reports about Katy Perry and again like it. 438 00:20:28,744 --> 00:20:31,024 Speaker 3: It's obviously incredible that she sold out, but for someone 439 00:20:31,064 --> 00:20:33,784 Speaker 3: of her like stature, it shouldn't be a big headline. 440 00:20:33,824 --> 00:20:36,824 Speaker 3: But also for someone like Rachel Zeglar, like the fact 441 00:20:36,824 --> 00:20:38,904 Speaker 3: that she's selling out all these shows is kind of 442 00:20:38,904 --> 00:20:41,104 Speaker 3: in line with where her fame is. But what I 443 00:20:41,104 --> 00:20:42,984 Speaker 3: thought was interesting when I was reading all these reports 444 00:20:43,104 --> 00:20:45,584 Speaker 3: is that the reports of these two women when they 445 00:20:45,584 --> 00:20:49,024 Speaker 3: were in the thick of like their like quote unquote downfalls, 446 00:20:49,464 --> 00:20:52,984 Speaker 3: those headlines were just absolutely saturated. Like you couldn't go 447 00:20:53,024 --> 00:20:56,424 Speaker 3: onto any entertainment site or new site without seeing articles 448 00:20:56,424 --> 00:20:58,984 Speaker 3: about like the fall of Katy Perry. You couldn't go 449 00:20:59,104 --> 00:21:03,184 Speaker 3: anywhere online without seeing articles about the downfall of Rachel 450 00:21:03,304 --> 00:21:06,104 Speaker 3: Zegler and how much people hated her and those two 451 00:21:06,264 --> 00:21:09,984 Speaker 3: narratives this year burned so hot and bright for so long, 452 00:21:10,664 --> 00:21:14,504 Speaker 3: and then when their success is at a really heightened 453 00:21:14,504 --> 00:21:17,744 Speaker 3: place and some of those stories get disproven, those stories 454 00:21:17,784 --> 00:21:20,504 Speaker 3: barely make the headlines, like these hidden stories. I think 455 00:21:20,544 --> 00:21:23,144 Speaker 3: it also is very similar to Jennifer Lopez, Like when 456 00:21:23,144 --> 00:21:26,944 Speaker 3: she announced her Big Greatest Hits tour, there was a 457 00:21:26,944 --> 00:21:29,864 Speaker 3: lot of talk that the tickets were selling really badly, 458 00:21:30,344 --> 00:21:32,904 Speaker 3: and then when she started shutting down shows. There were 459 00:21:32,944 --> 00:21:35,544 Speaker 3: all these rumors that were sort of never challenged at 460 00:21:35,544 --> 00:21:37,944 Speaker 3: the time that it was ticket sales that had closed 461 00:21:37,984 --> 00:21:40,184 Speaker 3: the shows down, and they're like, how embarrassing for this 462 00:21:40,264 --> 00:21:43,984 Speaker 3: woman who's been famous for nearly three decades that she 463 00:21:44,104 --> 00:21:46,864 Speaker 3: can't fill her concerts, And then it came out later 464 00:21:46,984 --> 00:21:49,264 Speaker 3: is because she was in the throes of her divorce 465 00:21:49,344 --> 00:21:52,304 Speaker 3: from Ben Affleck in the separation, and now she's been 466 00:21:52,304 --> 00:21:54,544 Speaker 3: doing that tour in so many countries and all those 467 00:21:54,584 --> 00:21:57,104 Speaker 3: tickets are sold out. But I don't think anyone's again 468 00:21:57,184 --> 00:22:00,664 Speaker 3: saying that. So the story still is that Jennifer Lopez 469 00:22:00,744 --> 00:22:02,704 Speaker 3: is a failure, whereas statistically she's not. 470 00:22:02,984 --> 00:22:05,464 Speaker 1: I know, but I think people just love and we 471 00:22:05,664 --> 00:22:08,984 Speaker 1: know this, like you write articles every single day. You 472 00:22:09,104 --> 00:22:11,264 Speaker 1: know what sells, and I'm the ones that are like 473 00:22:11,704 --> 00:22:14,424 Speaker 1: a little bit more click baity are going to. 474 00:22:14,624 --> 00:22:18,424 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, nothing does badles, nothing does better for traffic 475 00:22:18,544 --> 00:22:21,024 Speaker 3: on not just outside but any side. And you can 476 00:22:21,064 --> 00:22:23,224 Speaker 3: just see how algorithm's working. You can see which video 477 00:22:23,344 --> 00:22:25,464 Speaker 3: is and tiktoks and things get the most hits, Like 478 00:22:25,784 --> 00:22:30,184 Speaker 3: nothing does better online than the story of a famous, 479 00:22:30,224 --> 00:22:33,384 Speaker 3: previously beloved woman having some sort of a downfall or 480 00:22:33,424 --> 00:22:36,104 Speaker 3: being in trouble or something happening to her. It's why 481 00:22:36,184 --> 00:22:38,264 Speaker 3: the Blake Lively story has taken off in such a 482 00:22:38,344 --> 00:22:41,464 Speaker 3: huge way this year as well, Like people would be 483 00:22:41,584 --> 00:22:43,784 Speaker 3: less invested if that was a different actress, Like we 484 00:22:43,904 --> 00:22:46,264 Speaker 3: just we love the downfall of a golden girl more 485 00:22:46,304 --> 00:22:46,984 Speaker 3: than anything else. 486 00:22:47,144 --> 00:22:50,984 Speaker 1: Isn't that just the most sad reflection of our society, 487 00:22:51,264 --> 00:22:53,544 Speaker 1: of the way that we like. I mean, look, I'm 488 00:22:53,584 --> 00:22:56,184 Speaker 1: guilty of this too. I was on the I don't 489 00:22:56,224 --> 00:22:58,664 Speaker 1: like Blake Lively. I don't really like Katie Perry. I remember, 490 00:22:58,704 --> 00:23:01,824 Speaker 1: like j Lo, it infiltrates your mind and it's really 491 00:23:01,824 --> 00:23:04,944 Speaker 1: hard to kind of remove yourself from that. But it's 492 00:23:04,944 --> 00:23:07,664 Speaker 1: a really sad thing that we can't just be like, 493 00:23:07,664 --> 00:23:10,144 Speaker 1: you know what, sometimes people make mistakes, Like with rachel' 494 00:23:10,144 --> 00:23:12,144 Speaker 1: saiv she was twenty two when she did snow White. 495 00:23:12,624 --> 00:23:15,784 Speaker 1: Maybe the way that she was trying to describe it 496 00:23:16,024 --> 00:23:18,624 Speaker 1: and all of that was her trying to kind of 497 00:23:18,664 --> 00:23:21,424 Speaker 1: be joky and funny and it just didn't really translate. 498 00:23:21,544 --> 00:23:24,144 Speaker 1: Maybe with Katie Perry, she did think she was doing 499 00:23:24,144 --> 00:23:28,504 Speaker 1: something really wonderful, and j Lo maybe she can't sing, 500 00:23:28,584 --> 00:23:31,864 Speaker 1: but she still looks amazing and is a beautiful she 501 00:23:31,904 --> 00:23:34,504 Speaker 1: came on me. Now, haven't you heard all those rumors 502 00:23:34,504 --> 00:23:35,864 Speaker 1: about how everything is, Like. 503 00:23:35,864 --> 00:23:37,664 Speaker 3: No, I know, I know she sings to a recording, 504 00:23:37,704 --> 00:23:39,944 Speaker 3: but every singer does. But I still think she and 505 00:23:39,944 --> 00:23:42,664 Speaker 3: she's like so good life, Like oh I would, yes, 506 00:23:42,784 --> 00:23:44,344 Speaker 3: I would say that, Like it's just you know again, 507 00:23:44,384 --> 00:23:46,064 Speaker 3: this is how these kind of story stuff. But again 508 00:23:46,064 --> 00:23:47,984 Speaker 3: on the whole like downfall of a golden Girl thing, 509 00:23:48,584 --> 00:23:50,864 Speaker 3: you're saying that you're fascinated by that, and like I 510 00:23:50,904 --> 00:23:52,744 Speaker 3: am too, like I'm not getting my high horse saying 511 00:23:52,744 --> 00:23:55,104 Speaker 3: that I'm above it all. Like there is something like 512 00:23:55,224 --> 00:23:59,464 Speaker 3: intoxicating and scandalous when you hear someone who was previously 513 00:23:59,744 --> 00:24:02,944 Speaker 3: so beloved, who has previously done everything right, who has 514 00:24:02,944 --> 00:24:04,824 Speaker 3: been the top of the world. There is this kind 515 00:24:04,824 --> 00:24:08,664 Speaker 3: of like almost like fun gossipy side when something bad 516 00:24:08,824 --> 00:24:11,464 Speaker 3: happens to them or people are saying bad things, like 517 00:24:11,544 --> 00:24:13,544 Speaker 3: it's terrible to say, but for all of us, it's 518 00:24:13,624 --> 00:24:16,344 Speaker 3: much more alluring than just like a male celebrity who's 519 00:24:16,424 --> 00:24:19,424 Speaker 3: knowing to be a bit problematic or knowing to be 520 00:24:19,464 --> 00:24:22,024 Speaker 3: badly behaved and a bad story comes out about them, 521 00:24:22,104 --> 00:24:24,104 Speaker 3: and you're like, well, that's fine, Like I don't feel 522 00:24:24,144 --> 00:24:25,864 Speaker 3: like I need I don't need to know that story 523 00:24:25,904 --> 00:24:29,224 Speaker 3: because I suspected. But when something comes out about someone 524 00:24:29,264 --> 00:24:33,064 Speaker 3: who previously felt untouchable, especially if they're a Golden Girl, 525 00:24:33,424 --> 00:24:35,464 Speaker 3: it does feel more like alytic to talk about. 526 00:24:35,544 --> 00:24:37,344 Speaker 1: And that every time you say every time you say 527 00:24:37,344 --> 00:24:40,264 Speaker 1: Golden Girls, I just keep thinking about Betty White. So 528 00:24:40,304 --> 00:24:42,704 Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about. But I just keep 529 00:24:42,704 --> 00:24:44,424 Speaker 1: getting like Betty White in my head every time you 530 00:24:44,424 --> 00:24:46,664 Speaker 1: say Golden Girls. Yeah, but I do love a redemption 531 00:24:46,824 --> 00:24:49,984 Speaker 1: arc like this makes me happy if we can have 532 00:24:50,024 --> 00:24:53,544 Speaker 1: the downfall to have that entertainment. Let's give a little 533 00:24:53,584 --> 00:24:57,784 Speaker 1: bit more like audience for the up because I love 534 00:24:57,824 --> 00:24:58,104 Speaker 1: the up. 535 00:24:58,104 --> 00:24:58,624 Speaker 2: I love that. 536 00:24:58,664 --> 00:25:02,024 Speaker 1: I actually have been really obsessed with the Rachel's redemption arc. 537 00:25:02,504 --> 00:25:04,144 Speaker 2: I'm for a a long time. 538 00:25:04,104 --> 00:25:06,624 Speaker 3: Because I actually just don't think she did anything wrong. 539 00:25:06,944 --> 00:25:08,744 Speaker 3: And I say that, maybe I'm the only person in 540 00:25:08,744 --> 00:25:10,864 Speaker 3: the world who likes snow White when I say that, 541 00:25:10,944 --> 00:25:12,984 Speaker 3: as I'm pretty sure I'm the only person who wrote 542 00:25:12,984 --> 00:25:14,704 Speaker 3: a good review of snow White when he came out. 543 00:25:14,864 --> 00:25:16,504 Speaker 3: I think the song that she sung in that movie 544 00:25:16,544 --> 00:25:18,184 Speaker 3: is going to be my top Spotify song for theear. 545 00:25:18,224 --> 00:25:19,464 Speaker 3: I listened to it all the time, but I just 546 00:25:19,504 --> 00:25:22,184 Speaker 3: don't feel that the punishment fit the crime for what 547 00:25:22,264 --> 00:25:24,704 Speaker 3: she did of saying that it was a bit weird 548 00:25:24,784 --> 00:25:27,024 Speaker 3: that he kissed snow White in the original movie because 549 00:25:27,024 --> 00:25:29,104 Speaker 3: it was, well it was. We don't have to go 550 00:25:29,144 --> 00:25:30,904 Speaker 3: back and pick a part history. But like when the 551 00:25:30,944 --> 00:25:32,784 Speaker 3: girl didn't say anything wrong, we don't. 552 00:25:32,824 --> 00:25:35,864 Speaker 1: But I honestly, my biggest thing about this was I 553 00:25:35,984 --> 00:25:38,144 Speaker 1: just think she wasn't media trained enough, and I just 554 00:25:38,224 --> 00:25:41,024 Speaker 1: think it came out wrong and people ran with it. 555 00:25:41,184 --> 00:25:45,824 Speaker 1: But I'm really happy for her. Her singing Inner Vader 556 00:25:46,504 --> 00:25:52,064 Speaker 1: is breathtaking, absolutely breath She has a phenomenal voice. So 557 00:25:52,704 --> 00:25:55,944 Speaker 1: this particular one night show I think will one hundred 558 00:25:55,944 --> 00:25:56,904 Speaker 1: percent sell out. 559 00:25:57,104 --> 00:25:59,144 Speaker 3: So I'm loving all of these Redemption tours for all 560 00:25:59,144 --> 00:26:00,944 Speaker 3: these women. At the moment, I just only wish they 561 00:26:00,944 --> 00:26:02,224 Speaker 3: were being talked about more. 562 00:26:02,304 --> 00:26:03,064 Speaker 2: That's my only wish. 563 00:26:03,184 --> 00:26:05,224 Speaker 1: We're talking about Laura. We're going to be the pioneers 564 00:26:05,224 --> 00:26:07,704 Speaker 1: for the Redemption Sharks. But thank you so much for 565 00:26:07,784 --> 00:26:10,784 Speaker 1: joining us today on the spill. Don't think to follow 566 00:26:10,824 --> 00:26:14,264 Speaker 1: this spill on Instagram and TikTok. We post lots of 567 00:26:14,264 --> 00:26:17,464 Speaker 1: funny stuff on there. 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