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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders

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Speaker 3: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop

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Speaker 3: culture fix. I'm Embern and I'm Laura Brodneck, and today

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Speaker 3: we have a very special, brutally honest review of We

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Speaker 3: Were Liars?

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Speaker 2: And also, is that the same song?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: I think that was like some Scooby Doo thing. I

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Speaker 3: just think, yeah, this is great strench of things. Maybe, yeah,

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Speaker 3: just bring it all the different gens, all the psychological thrillers.

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Speaker 2: Now, this is actually a world first on the Spill.

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Speaker 1: History is being made because we're about to break the

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Speaker 1: rules of a broodly honored review. And not only we're

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Speaker 1: breaking the rules, but I suggested it. I know, and

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Speaker 1: I never break the rules.

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Speaker 3: No, and you said them as well, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: This is all I said them.

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Speaker 2: I enforced them. I'm super fun to hang out with.

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Speaker 3: So the reason why breaking the rules is because we

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Speaker 3: usually do our brutally honest reviews. There's two different kinds, right,

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Speaker 3: So either it's a TV show or movie that's in

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Speaker 3: the zyguy. So that everyone's talking about. We usually wait

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Speaker 3: a week before we do our briodley on a review

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Speaker 3: just so everyone has time to watch it and digest it,

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Speaker 3: because we do do spoilers in there, so there will

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Speaker 3: be spoilers for if We Were Lies. If you haven't

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Speaker 3: watched it, make sure you watch it, or we do

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Speaker 3: a briodley On a review on like a big cult

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Speaker 3: classic that's happened in the past. We recently did one

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Speaker 3: on Clueless.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that was our first time doing like a cult classic.

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Speaker 3: We'll put it in our show notes for you to

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Speaker 3: listen to.

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Speaker 1: People.

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Speaker 2: You guys loved it, so more of those to come.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, we're like, what two months late on this one?

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Speaker 3: Two months late? Look, I do think I play a

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Speaker 3: part in this because you had watched We Were Liars,

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Speaker 3: and you also mentioned it in our Weekend watch.

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Speaker 1: Twice I'd recommend it a weekend watch it, and then

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Speaker 1: I had to follow up like sorry, everyone was So.

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Speaker 3: It's more dramatic than what we originally put out. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but also that's part of the big surprise. Part of

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Speaker 3: the surprise. It's now been like five years since the

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Speaker 3: were getting messages after messages. Our dms are flooded with

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Speaker 3: people wanting a brutally honish review of We Were Liars.

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Speaker 3: So I watched it very recently, much later after everyone else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you watched it this weekend. Do you know how?

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Speaker 1: Because I had told you to watch it, and I

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Speaker 1: because TikTok in particular was you couldn't scroll through that

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Speaker 3: Which was crazy. That's why I was so surprised so

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Speaker 1: The rest of the world was watching because we were

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Speaker 1: all getting these crazy messages being like, do a brilliant,

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Speaker 3: This series had me in such a choke hold because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you do.

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Speaker 1: Once you get into that world, you just have to

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Speaker 1: I no, No, that's a very very children Yeah, very

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Speaker 1: that kind of trope that we've been seeing for a while,

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Speaker 3: Yes, so it is a book adaptation with the same

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Speaker 1: And also I just usually if I hear something being adapted,

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Speaker 2: Almost a movie five times. Scripts nearly got made.

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Speaker 1: It went back to a different studio, back and forth,

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Speaker 3: It would have been better. I actually think it would

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Speaker 3: I mean, I liked to watch it. It was good.

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Speaker 2: Do you know who else? So there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: Playing Julie Plack, who is one of the creators and

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Speaker 3: how he was like so torn throughout the whole series

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00:18:38,824 --> 00:18:41,984
Speaker 3: of like how he was brought up versus like how

435
00:18:42,024 --> 00:18:45,744
Speaker 3: he lives now was just so well executed. I think

436
00:18:45,784 --> 00:18:48,464
Speaker 3: he was such a great character. And also his character

437
00:18:48,504 --> 00:18:52,744
Speaker 3: development between the summers was done really really well. Okay,

438
00:18:52,824 --> 00:18:57,384
Speaker 3: we then have Essa McGregor who plays Miron, who was

439
00:18:57,424 --> 00:18:58,304
Speaker 3: my favorite character.

440
00:18:58,704 --> 00:19:00,144
Speaker 2: Really Okay, that's so interesting.

441
00:19:00,184 --> 00:19:01,904
Speaker 1: I was going to ask what you thought of her

442
00:19:01,984 --> 00:19:05,744
Speaker 1: as an actor, so you and McGregor's daughter got her

443
00:19:05,864 --> 00:19:09,144
Speaker 1: one of her big breakout roles in way is she Yes,

444
00:19:09,584 --> 00:19:12,184
Speaker 1: what do you mean that's not a secret. I didn't

445
00:19:12,224 --> 00:19:14,264
Speaker 1: know that that's you and McGregor's.

446
00:19:13,864 --> 00:19:16,584
Speaker 2: Daughter as in Molan Rouge.

447
00:19:16,664 --> 00:19:21,664
Speaker 1: So proper Nepo, Yeah, proper Neppo. Whoa poor Emily. She's like,

448
00:19:21,904 --> 00:19:25,384
Speaker 1: my mom's been on one TV show, Leave me alone.

449
00:19:26,664 --> 00:19:28,984
Speaker 1: No proper nepo. To the point I can kind of

450
00:19:29,024 --> 00:19:30,904
Speaker 1: see it now, you can see it. Just picture her

451
00:19:30,904 --> 00:19:35,264
Speaker 1: face on a Jedi's body. What a good looking family, yeah,

452
00:19:35,304 --> 00:19:36,344
Speaker 1: what a good looking family.

453
00:19:36,504 --> 00:19:36,904
Speaker 2: So yes.

454
00:19:37,104 --> 00:19:40,024
Speaker 1: Esther McGregor got one of her first big breakout roles

455
00:19:40,304 --> 00:19:42,464
Speaker 1: in a little movie that you and I saw together.

456
00:19:42,184 --> 00:19:42,984
Speaker 2: Called Baby Girl.

457
00:19:43,224 --> 00:19:45,944
Speaker 3: She was the daughter. She was the daughter, Yeah, and

458
00:19:45,984 --> 00:19:46,904
Speaker 3: I didn't like her in that.

459
00:19:49,344 --> 00:19:51,384
Speaker 1: Well, this is what I mean. I'm there's some Neippo

460
00:19:51,424 --> 00:19:53,104
Speaker 1: babies where you look at them and you're just like, yeah,

461
00:19:53,144 --> 00:19:55,264
Speaker 1: that one would have been famous anyway. Let them through.

462
00:19:55,384 --> 00:19:55,944
Speaker 3: That's fine.

463
00:19:56,064 --> 00:19:59,824
Speaker 1: And there's some of them like because Nicole Kidman was

464
00:19:59,864 --> 00:20:02,304
Speaker 1: the one who was like, this is you and McGregor's

465
00:20:02,384 --> 00:20:03,584
Speaker 1: daughter who's in our movie, and.

466
00:20:03,584 --> 00:20:04,224
Speaker 2: Isn't it nice?

467
00:20:04,224 --> 00:20:06,984
Speaker 1: Because her father and I acted together on Moulan Rouge.

468
00:20:07,144 --> 00:20:09,104
Speaker 1: I always look in the background of those videos when

469
00:20:09,144 --> 00:20:11,584
Speaker 1: Nicole Kimmen was doing that at Esther's face and being like,

470
00:20:11,624 --> 00:20:13,664
Speaker 1: does she want this front? And setter, is it better

471
00:20:13,664 --> 00:20:15,904
Speaker 1: to just say it. There's even a clip where you

472
00:20:15,944 --> 00:20:18,064
Speaker 1: and MacGregor has been interviewed on a red carpet and

473
00:20:18,064 --> 00:20:19,824
Speaker 1: I'll call him and comes up behind him and he's

474
00:20:19,864 --> 00:20:22,944
Speaker 1: like ah and like moul and reunion and she's like

475
00:20:23,024 --> 00:20:26,424
Speaker 1: his daughter's in my movie. We get it.

476
00:20:26,464 --> 00:20:30,304
Speaker 3: It's we get it. So everyone had to do an audish.

477
00:20:30,864 --> 00:20:32,504
Speaker 2: Yeah, this one just slept on through.

478
00:20:32,784 --> 00:20:34,744
Speaker 1: So yeah, at first, when I watched her in the show,

479
00:20:34,784 --> 00:20:36,824
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know if she's not as strong

480
00:20:36,824 --> 00:20:39,704
Speaker 1: as the others, But then she was so great towards

481
00:20:39,704 --> 00:20:41,624
Speaker 1: the end. I think maybe she just had a smaller

482
00:20:41,704 --> 00:20:42,784
Speaker 1: character build from the others.

483
00:20:42,784 --> 00:20:43,904
Speaker 2: It wasn't that she wasn't good.

484
00:20:44,384 --> 00:20:48,024
Speaker 3: I really started to love her character towards the end

485
00:20:48,064 --> 00:20:51,104
Speaker 3: of like Summer sixteen going into Summer seventeen, where you

486
00:20:51,144 --> 00:20:54,544
Speaker 3: can really see herself torn of like what she wants

487
00:20:54,544 --> 00:20:57,664
Speaker 3: to do versus who she thinks she has to be,

488
00:20:58,424 --> 00:21:01,104
Speaker 3: and it's the fight with her mom, and then like

489
00:21:01,144 --> 00:21:05,424
Speaker 3: grappling with new love and like wanting to experience everything

490
00:21:05,464 --> 00:21:07,984
Speaker 3: that she feels like a teenage girl should experience but

491
00:21:08,064 --> 00:21:10,984
Speaker 3: might not want to experience for herself. And then also

492
00:21:11,184 --> 00:21:14,544
Speaker 3: just being the quote unquote other girl next to your

493
00:21:14,584 --> 00:21:16,744
Speaker 3: super hot cousin, right, which she was like made it

494
00:21:16,784 --> 00:21:19,344
Speaker 3: so obvious. She's like Katie gets all the boys, like

495
00:21:19,424 --> 00:21:23,744
Speaker 3: everyone like loves her, like she's the eldest grandchild. She's

496
00:21:23,784 --> 00:21:26,544
Speaker 3: gonna like get in all the inheritance, like everyone wants

497
00:21:26,584 --> 00:21:28,584
Speaker 3: Katie to be like the most successful one of us,

498
00:21:28,784 --> 00:21:30,984
Speaker 3: Like no one even sees me, like I'm so invisible.

499
00:21:31,464 --> 00:21:34,104
Speaker 3: And I think it's such a perfect role to play

500
00:21:34,304 --> 00:21:37,064
Speaker 3: for young women who are watching the show, who are

501
00:21:37,104 --> 00:21:40,344
Speaker 3: in that headspace. Yeah, and I think she executed it

502
00:21:40,424 --> 00:21:43,784
Speaker 3: really really well, even like right at the end, and

503
00:21:43,864 --> 00:21:47,184
Speaker 3: I know I'm jumping way way ahead, like past the plotline,

504
00:21:47,224 --> 00:21:49,424
Speaker 3: but when she kind of comes back to Katie and

505
00:21:49,464 --> 00:21:51,224
Speaker 3: she was like, I hope people saw me for who

506
00:21:51,224 --> 00:21:54,024
Speaker 3: I am. I thought that was really important because in

507
00:21:54,024 --> 00:21:56,304
Speaker 3: those moments, you feel like that everyone's just gonna be

508
00:21:56,384 --> 00:21:58,784
Speaker 3: like the other side is great, it's all happy, like

509
00:21:58,784 --> 00:22:00,824
Speaker 3: I'm so glad the life I lived and she actually

510
00:22:01,024 --> 00:22:03,704
Speaker 3: left with so many regrets. Yeah, And I thought that

511
00:22:03,824 --> 00:22:04,944
Speaker 3: was so well done.

512
00:22:05,184 --> 00:22:06,904
Speaker 2: Yeah, And god, it was so well done.

513
00:22:07,144 --> 00:22:09,024
Speaker 1: Yeah. That scene in the art gallery at the end

514
00:22:09,024 --> 00:22:10,744
Speaker 1: where it kind of pairs to her, and she's kind

515
00:22:10,744 --> 00:22:12,824
Speaker 1: of realizing that maybe some people did see although this

516
00:22:12,864 --> 00:22:15,984
Speaker 1: they're seeing her now is a really beautiful moment. Also,

517
00:22:16,024 --> 00:22:18,224
Speaker 1: she's very funny online. She saw all the reactions to

518
00:22:18,224 --> 00:22:20,264
Speaker 1: people like screaming and crying at the ending.

519
00:22:20,344 --> 00:22:21,424
Speaker 2: Not you because you missed.

520
00:22:21,184 --> 00:22:23,984
Speaker 1: It, And she was like, put in this video where

521
00:22:24,024 --> 00:22:25,784
Speaker 1: she was dancing, and then she was like, don't blame me,

522
00:22:25,824 --> 00:22:28,384
Speaker 1: I didn't rid it.

523
00:22:28,504 --> 00:22:32,464
Speaker 3: Classic, classic, okay. And then we have the other cousin,

524
00:22:33,344 --> 00:22:37,224
Speaker 3: Joseph Zada, who plays Johnny Sinclair. He was a bad boy.

525
00:22:37,584 --> 00:22:39,264
Speaker 2: He was great, our resident bad boy.

526
00:22:39,664 --> 00:22:42,784
Speaker 1: That scene where he does the rock and roll dance scene,

527
00:22:43,144 --> 00:22:45,584
Speaker 1: which is, yeah, the playoff the Tom Cruise movie, which

528
00:22:45,824 --> 00:22:47,024
Speaker 1: was completely improvised.

529
00:22:47,024 --> 00:22:49,624
Speaker 3: Why is that scene in every single movie? It's Risky Business.

530
00:22:49,664 --> 00:22:52,064
Speaker 1: It's so good, it's so iconic. It has that opening

531
00:22:52,144 --> 00:22:54,304
Speaker 1: as soon as you do the slide with the glasses

532
00:22:54,384 --> 00:22:56,984
Speaker 1: and look around and hear that beat like I know exactly.

533
00:22:56,624 --> 00:23:00,984
Speaker 3: White shirt high sucks slide on the floorboards. Yeah, and

534
00:23:01,024 --> 00:23:02,424
Speaker 3: then something great even people who.

535
00:23:02,384 --> 00:23:05,544
Speaker 1: Haven't seen Risky Business, like it's such a that you.

536
00:23:05,064 --> 00:23:06,944
Speaker 3: No, I've seen it, okay business, I haven't seen it

537
00:23:06,984 --> 00:23:07,584
Speaker 3: in a long time.

538
00:23:07,824 --> 00:23:10,304
Speaker 2: But even we who haven't seen that movie know that scene.

539
00:23:10,544 --> 00:23:12,144
Speaker 1: But it's so funny because they said they just put

540
00:23:12,144 --> 00:23:13,864
Speaker 1: the cameras on him and said go and let him

541
00:23:13,864 --> 00:23:15,864
Speaker 1: do it, so that whole thing is improvised.

542
00:23:15,904 --> 00:23:17,784
Speaker 3: He probably did that and was like, I've seen my

543
00:23:17,864 --> 00:23:20,184
Speaker 3: dad do this. Yeah.

544
00:23:20,344 --> 00:23:22,864
Speaker 1: Also, again, that was really interesting introduction of him as

545
00:23:22,864 --> 00:23:25,464
Speaker 1: a character because as the show was coming out, it

546
00:23:25,504 --> 00:23:27,664
Speaker 1: was confirmed that he had been cast in like the

547
00:23:27,784 --> 00:23:30,984
Speaker 1: role that every young actor in Hollywood was chasing, which

548
00:23:31,024 --> 00:23:34,224
Speaker 1: is Hamich in the new Hunger Games movie Sunrise on

549
00:23:34,264 --> 00:23:36,824
Speaker 1: the Reaping. So everyone was like, this is that Hamtch,

550
00:23:36,984 --> 00:23:38,504
Speaker 1: this guy who's dancing around.

551
00:23:38,264 --> 00:23:40,104
Speaker 3: The Oh my god. I just know because I feel

552
00:23:40,144 --> 00:23:42,544
Speaker 3: like this role was kind of like his starter and

553
00:23:42,544 --> 00:23:44,944
Speaker 3: now everyone's obsessed with this TV show, But I know

554
00:23:45,104 --> 00:23:47,584
Speaker 3: that in the new Hunger Games movie everyone's just gonna

555
00:23:47,624 --> 00:23:52,344
Speaker 3: be obsessed with Yes, oh my god, Okay with Johnny,

556
00:23:53,664 --> 00:23:57,544
Speaker 3: well say it, just say it's the same space unnecessary character.

557
00:23:58,064 --> 00:24:00,304
Speaker 3: Oh what yeah?

558
00:24:00,504 --> 00:24:00,824
Speaker 1: Why?

559
00:24:01,304 --> 00:24:05,704
Speaker 3: Like I think his sole purpose was to be another

560
00:24:05,864 --> 00:24:09,504
Speaker 3: child for the other sister, you know what I mean?

561
00:24:10,064 --> 00:24:13,864
Speaker 1: No, but I think you need because Miron and Johnny

562
00:24:13,944 --> 00:24:16,984
Speaker 1: kind of show the different ways that the Sinclair family

563
00:24:17,024 --> 00:24:19,424
Speaker 1: had affected the family outside of Cadence, who were kind

564
00:24:19,424 --> 00:24:21,944
Speaker 1: of seeing the story through her eyes. So you're seeing

565
00:24:21,944 --> 00:24:25,624
Speaker 1: Mirron shrink back into herself and like let her huge, wealthy,

566
00:24:25,624 --> 00:24:28,384
Speaker 1: crazy family overtake her. But then you have Johnny who

567
00:24:28,464 --> 00:24:30,904
Speaker 1: is swept up in this fantasy world. And then you

568
00:24:30,944 --> 00:24:33,104
Speaker 1: also see him the fact that he is like starting

569
00:24:33,104 --> 00:24:35,024
Speaker 1: to identify his gate is looking up with a guy

570
00:24:35,424 --> 00:24:37,384
Speaker 1: trying to hide that from his family because he knows

571
00:24:37,424 --> 00:24:38,984
Speaker 1: at the end of the day that like there's a

572
00:24:38,984 --> 00:24:42,144
Speaker 1: way that Sinclair people live, and that whole plot point

573
00:24:42,144 --> 00:24:44,464
Speaker 1: of his mum using all their money to like fix

574
00:24:44,504 --> 00:24:46,504
Speaker 1: some mistake that he made. And also I think you

575
00:24:46,584 --> 00:24:50,384
Speaker 1: need to show it's the differences between him and Gat

576
00:24:50,384 --> 00:24:52,384
Speaker 1: and the way they grew up, the fact that they

577
00:24:52,424 --> 00:24:54,424
Speaker 1: were so close, they were best friends, they hung out

578
00:24:54,424 --> 00:24:56,864
Speaker 1: all the time outside of their trips to the island

579
00:24:56,944 --> 00:25:00,384
Speaker 1: because of the Gat's uncle was his pretty much defectos stepfather.

580
00:25:00,704 --> 00:25:03,864
Speaker 1: But I think the striking differences between them and their

581
00:25:03,944 --> 00:25:06,904
Speaker 1: upbringing is what kind of was the catalyst for like

582
00:25:06,944 --> 00:25:08,704
Speaker 1: that that idea that could break a life.

583
00:25:08,864 --> 00:25:11,224
Speaker 3: I say that I also, yeah, I kind of agree,

584
00:25:11,264 --> 00:25:14,384
Speaker 3: Like I think his character was important in like exploring

585
00:25:14,384 --> 00:25:16,744
Speaker 3: his sexuality in a way that he felt like exactly

586
00:25:16,784 --> 00:25:18,504
Speaker 3: what you said that he felt like wasn't the right,

587
00:25:18,664 --> 00:25:20,984
Speaker 3: the quote unquote right way that his family wanted him

588
00:25:21,024 --> 00:25:23,944
Speaker 3: to be. And I just wish that they allowed more

589
00:25:24,024 --> 00:25:26,584
Speaker 3: time for us to see that. I felt like that

590
00:25:26,664 --> 00:25:30,544
Speaker 3: part was really rushed. Like the diversity in this series

591
00:25:30,624 --> 00:25:33,024
Speaker 3: did actually feel a lot like ticking boxes for me,

592
00:25:33,184 --> 00:25:35,784
Speaker 3: Like a lot of this stuff felt very rushed for me,

593
00:25:36,064 --> 00:25:40,184
Speaker 3: like Johnny's sexuality and the racism that Gat was like

594
00:25:40,264 --> 00:25:43,144
Speaker 3: claiming that Harris had. Like it felt like like all

595
00:25:43,144 --> 00:25:45,544
Speaker 3: these things like happened in like little bits and pieces,

596
00:25:46,224 --> 00:25:49,304
Speaker 3: and then it just like was just there, yeah, and

597
00:25:49,344 --> 00:25:51,664
Speaker 3: then nothing really happened after that, Like I mean like

598
00:25:51,904 --> 00:25:54,104
Speaker 3: it was obviously like meant to be a catalyst for

599
00:25:54,144 --> 00:25:57,544
Speaker 3: everything that unfolded towards the end of the movie. But

600
00:25:58,424 --> 00:26:00,824
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, like you come back

601
00:26:00,864 --> 00:26:03,184
Speaker 3: to the ending of like Summer eighteen, and it just

602
00:26:03,224 --> 00:26:06,424
Speaker 3: feels like, what was the purpose of like having all

603
00:26:06,464 --> 00:26:09,504
Speaker 3: of these like little things intersected into this one show

604
00:26:10,024 --> 00:26:12,984
Speaker 3: If we weren't able to explore that any further with

605
00:26:13,064 --> 00:26:15,224
Speaker 3: the characters who were like the catalysts for.

606
00:26:15,264 --> 00:26:17,624
Speaker 2: That yeah, yeah, no, no, that's the very true fact.

607
00:26:17,664 --> 00:26:20,264
Speaker 1: Yeah, some parts of it did feel really underdeveloped, and

608
00:26:20,304 --> 00:26:22,104
Speaker 1: I guess in a way like pulls you through because

609
00:26:22,144 --> 00:26:24,064
Speaker 1: if this had just been more of a straightforward drama,

610
00:26:24,104 --> 00:26:26,584
Speaker 1: it might have really waned. But because you have this

611
00:26:26,664 --> 00:26:28,224
Speaker 1: threat of like what is the mystery? What are we

612
00:26:28,224 --> 00:26:30,824
Speaker 1: going to find out? Like you're almost watching for that

613
00:26:30,864 --> 00:26:31,784
Speaker 1: the whole way through.

614
00:26:32,144 --> 00:26:35,024
Speaker 3: I do wonder though, like if that was a point

615
00:26:35,064 --> 00:26:38,024
Speaker 3: that the showwriters wanted to make, because I have seen

616
00:26:38,424 --> 00:26:41,624
Speaker 3: and read a lot of analysis of the show versus

617
00:26:41,624 --> 00:26:44,704
Speaker 3: the book, and a lot of people said that you

618
00:26:44,744 --> 00:26:47,544
Speaker 3: didn't feel that hard of a connection with the characters

619
00:26:47,584 --> 00:26:51,184
Speaker 3: in the book because they were just awful, rich white people. Yeah, Whereas, like,

620
00:26:51,224 --> 00:26:54,464
Speaker 3: I think the show, by exploring like these intricacies within

621
00:26:54,544 --> 00:26:57,984
Speaker 3: their personalities, made you like like them a bit more,

622
00:26:58,024 --> 00:27:00,984
Speaker 3: which is why you had that big, huge feeling that

623
00:27:01,064 --> 00:27:02,544
Speaker 3: why I cried at the end, And I feel like

624
00:27:02,544 --> 00:27:04,744
Speaker 3: that wouldn't have happened if they actually didn't have that.

625
00:27:04,784 --> 00:27:07,304
Speaker 3: So I don't know, I feel like I'm like stuck

626
00:27:07,304 --> 00:27:09,464
Speaker 3: in between now. Yeah no, I mean, look, that's a

627
00:27:09,504 --> 00:27:10,904
Speaker 3: normal reaction to have to most shows.

628
00:27:11,504 --> 00:27:12,184
Speaker 1: Confused.

629
00:27:12,344 --> 00:27:13,624
Speaker 2: Confused, was it good or bad?

630
00:27:14,024 --> 00:27:15,904
Speaker 1: What did you think of the storyline threat that was

631
00:27:15,984 --> 00:27:18,064
Speaker 1: kind of pulling us towards the ending and the idea

632
00:27:18,064 --> 00:27:20,664
Speaker 1: that the grandmother dies. Yes, they all just kind of

633
00:27:20,704 --> 00:27:22,704
Speaker 1: then carry on with their summer holidays, which I guess

634
00:27:22,784 --> 00:27:23,584
Speaker 1: is what you do.

635
00:27:23,744 --> 00:27:28,144
Speaker 3: Yeah. They clearly are so detached from emotion that they

636
00:27:28,184 --> 00:27:29,784
Speaker 3: actually don't know how to handle death.

637
00:27:29,984 --> 00:27:32,344
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just don't talk about it.

638
00:27:32,344 --> 00:27:37,024
Speaker 1: They dinner as normal, steal her pearls. Yea. Oh, that

639
00:27:37,184 --> 00:27:41,384
Speaker 1: was horrific watching. I know siblings do that stuff, and

640
00:27:41,464 --> 00:27:44,184
Speaker 1: I know that grief and money brings out the worst

641
00:27:44,184 --> 00:27:48,304
Speaker 1: in people, but truly, the behavior of those three sisters

642
00:27:48,904 --> 00:27:52,304
Speaker 1: fighting over wealth, completely turning et each other, saying horrific

643
00:27:52,344 --> 00:27:54,624
Speaker 1: things to each other, I guess that's what you do

644
00:27:54,664 --> 00:27:56,584
Speaker 1: when your livelihood is on the line. Because I think

645
00:27:56,624 --> 00:27:59,144
Speaker 1: is they're all broke. I mean they're broke. They're rich

646
00:27:59,184 --> 00:27:59,744
Speaker 1: people broke.

647
00:28:00,264 --> 00:28:02,664
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're rich people broke. And what made me even

648
00:28:02,744 --> 00:28:05,224
Speaker 3: more angry is that two of them were broke, not

649
00:28:05,384 --> 00:28:08,264
Speaker 3: on their accord, like it was the shitty partners and

650
00:28:08,344 --> 00:28:11,864
Speaker 3: they had who like literally had zero. This whole series,

651
00:28:12,064 --> 00:28:14,264
Speaker 3: which I love, But what I liked about it is

652
00:28:14,264 --> 00:28:16,704
Speaker 3: that the three sisters who were like, they're problematic, they

653
00:28:16,704 --> 00:28:20,144
Speaker 3: don't like each other, but still sisters until their mom died,

654
00:28:20,504 --> 00:28:23,304
Speaker 3: and they was so obvious that they just like hated

655
00:28:23,584 --> 00:28:27,304
Speaker 3: each other, like and I'm like, we have sisters, we

656
00:28:27,384 --> 00:28:29,944
Speaker 3: know that that's not how you act like they're a

657
00:28:29,984 --> 00:28:32,624
Speaker 3: certain way with your sisters, and that is just something

658
00:28:32,664 --> 00:28:34,584
Speaker 3: I've never seen before, to the point where I'm like,

659
00:28:35,344 --> 00:28:37,904
Speaker 3: I feel like this is getting so obviously fake, Like

660
00:28:37,944 --> 00:28:39,824
Speaker 3: it felt like something that they would they were trying

661
00:28:39,864 --> 00:28:43,704
Speaker 3: to achieve a succession like sibling shit that I think

662
00:28:43,744 --> 00:28:47,464
Speaker 3: succession does really well in that like money phase, and

663
00:28:47,504 --> 00:28:48,704
Speaker 3: I think they just went too far.

664
00:28:49,224 --> 00:28:50,224
Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, Yeah.

665
00:28:50,424 --> 00:28:52,464
Speaker 1: Sometimes it felt like it flipped back and forth quite

666
00:28:52,504 --> 00:28:54,824
Speaker 1: a bit in terms of like this anger and hatred.

667
00:28:54,984 --> 00:28:56,704
Speaker 1: And I guess one of the things is that there

668
00:28:56,784 --> 00:28:59,784
Speaker 1: is is another book that Elokhart wrote called Family of Liars,

669
00:29:00,304 --> 00:29:02,984
Speaker 1: which tells the story of the three sing close sisters

670
00:29:02,984 --> 00:29:06,264
Speaker 1: when they're teenagers. And the idea of this TV show

671
00:29:06,304 --> 00:29:08,824
Speaker 1: is that they took that book, which is a prequel

672
00:29:08,824 --> 00:29:11,304
Speaker 1: to the original book, and wove in so that you

673
00:29:11,384 --> 00:29:13,744
Speaker 1: kind of have this idea that they did some terrible

674
00:29:13,744 --> 00:29:17,024
Speaker 1: things as teenagers and they have this now, they have

675
00:29:17,104 --> 00:29:19,504
Speaker 1: this hold over each other and they still feel guilt

676
00:29:19,544 --> 00:29:22,424
Speaker 1: over it. That coupled with the money, and also coupled

677
00:29:22,424 --> 00:29:24,984
Speaker 1: how their parents raised them to compete against each other.

678
00:29:24,904 --> 00:29:26,784
Speaker 3: Especially saying stuff like well they never told us I

679
00:29:26,864 --> 00:29:28,224
Speaker 3: loved you, so they brought me this.

680
00:29:28,584 --> 00:29:31,024
Speaker 2: Yeah, first Father's Day gift?

681
00:29:31,624 --> 00:29:34,144
Speaker 3: Who's the favorite daughter? And you did get a glimpse

682
00:29:34,144 --> 00:29:36,984
Speaker 3: of that when they talked about the four sister Rosemary.

683
00:29:37,064 --> 00:29:39,944
Speaker 3: My god forgot about Rosemary, who died very young, and

684
00:29:39,984 --> 00:29:43,184
Speaker 3: then girl got out of the Girl was like tapping out,

685
00:29:43,824 --> 00:29:46,224
Speaker 3: can't deal with these people. And then like towards the end,

686
00:29:46,264 --> 00:29:49,064
Speaker 3: I think it was actually the last episode where I

687
00:29:49,104 --> 00:29:52,104
Speaker 3: feel like they're alluding to a season two because it

688
00:29:52,184 --> 00:29:53,864
Speaker 3: made it sound like that they had something to do

689
00:29:53,904 --> 00:29:56,824
Speaker 3: with Rosemary's death, Like is this Calma for what we

690
00:29:56,864 --> 00:29:58,024
Speaker 3: did when we were younger?

691
00:29:58,104 --> 00:30:00,064
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, that last scene, I think a season two

692
00:30:00,144 --> 00:30:02,744
Speaker 1: is coming and it's going to be hooked into like

693
00:30:02,744 --> 00:30:03,904
Speaker 1: a pre family of Liars.

694
00:30:04,024 --> 00:30:07,344
Speaker 3: Yeah. It would be good though, because those three women

695
00:30:07,384 --> 00:30:08,424
Speaker 3: are brilliant actors.

696
00:30:08,464 --> 00:30:10,664
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they were so great. Love to see back

697
00:30:10,704 --> 00:30:14,584
Speaker 1: and forth between that, so as we're sort of building

698
00:30:14,624 --> 00:30:17,024
Speaker 1: between like Katie where she.

699
00:30:17,024 --> 00:30:18,584
Speaker 2: Is now with it. The dark hair and the blonde

700
00:30:18,584 --> 00:30:19,664
Speaker 2: hair was a very helpful plot.

701
00:30:19,784 --> 00:30:24,544
Speaker 3: Thank god. They would have been so confused in this

702
00:30:24,624 --> 00:30:27,544
Speaker 3: whole series because it does jump between summers, like between

703
00:30:27,584 --> 00:30:29,224
Speaker 3: from when they were really really little where they had

704
00:30:29,224 --> 00:30:33,144
Speaker 3: completely different actors easiest one. Yeah, like some between like

705
00:30:33,184 --> 00:30:36,704
Speaker 3: summer sixteen, seventeen and eighteen, more seventeen and eighteen, where

706
00:30:37,104 --> 00:30:39,864
Speaker 3: in summer seventeen that's was the last summer where they

707
00:30:39,904 --> 00:30:43,384
Speaker 3: were all together, and that's where Katie something really tragic

708
00:30:43,424 --> 00:30:46,704
Speaker 3: happened to her. She was knocked unconscious, found on the water,

709
00:30:46,864 --> 00:30:49,464
Speaker 3: was in a coma, has all these really bad migraines,

710
00:30:49,504 --> 00:30:51,984
Speaker 3: can't remember a thing. And then some seventeen is her

711
00:30:52,024 --> 00:30:53,904
Speaker 3: coming back to the island to try to jog some

712
00:30:53,944 --> 00:30:56,344
Speaker 3: of her memory so she remember what happened. Luckily some

713
00:30:56,424 --> 00:30:59,264
Speaker 3: of eighteen her hair is black. Yeah, so we know

714
00:30:59,704 --> 00:31:00,704
Speaker 3: when the jump's happening.

715
00:31:00,824 --> 00:31:02,944
Speaker 1: Did you at any stage as we're getting up to

716
00:31:02,944 --> 00:31:05,384
Speaker 1: that big twist, did you at any stage pick what

717
00:31:05,464 --> 00:31:06,224
Speaker 1: was going to happen.

718
00:31:06,184 --> 00:31:07,904
Speaker 2: Or what did you think was happening.

719
00:31:07,944 --> 00:31:11,784
Speaker 3: The whole series three? Because we were at a work

720
00:31:11,824 --> 00:31:14,704
Speaker 3: event probably like a week before I started watching the

721
00:31:14,704 --> 00:31:16,984
Speaker 3: series and I didn't even know.

722
00:31:17,544 --> 00:31:18,384
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, great.

723
00:31:18,584 --> 00:31:21,544
Speaker 3: It was the summery return pretty book who yeah yeah,

724
00:31:21,584 --> 00:31:23,744
Speaker 3: And we were with some of our colleagues and our friends,

725
00:31:23,864 --> 00:31:27,184
Speaker 3: and you guys were talking about we were liars, and.

726
00:31:27,144 --> 00:31:28,944
Speaker 2: I was taught a lot of people about that that night.

727
00:31:29,184 --> 00:31:31,544
Speaker 3: I was in that conversation, so they couldn't actually talk

728
00:31:31,544 --> 00:31:33,304
Speaker 3: about the plot. And I hate being that person when

729
00:31:33,304 --> 00:31:35,144
Speaker 3: you stop everyone from talking about it show that you

730
00:31:35,184 --> 00:31:37,504
Speaker 3: all want to talk about. And then I didn't know

731
00:31:37,544 --> 00:31:39,904
Speaker 3: it was a plot twisty show. So when you guys

732
00:31:39,944 --> 00:31:41,744
Speaker 3: are like, did you know the plot twist? Did you

733
00:31:41,744 --> 00:31:43,384
Speaker 3: pick it? Because I didn't pick it and no one

734
00:31:43,424 --> 00:31:45,144
Speaker 3: everyone else was like, yeah, we didn't pick it either.

735
00:31:45,624 --> 00:31:49,384
Speaker 3: Immediately I was like, oh, there's a plot twist. I'm

736
00:31:49,424 --> 00:31:52,184
Speaker 3: really good at guessing plot twists in any show. I

737
00:31:52,224 --> 00:31:54,704
Speaker 3: watched her. This be so easy. So I spent the

738
00:31:54,784 --> 00:31:57,784
Speaker 3: whole show because right at the first episode, in the beginning,

739
00:31:57,784 --> 00:32:00,264
Speaker 3: you guys would know that Katie is in the water

740
00:32:00,304 --> 00:32:02,224
Speaker 3: and she gets pulled out of the water and someone's like,

741
00:32:02,264 --> 00:32:04,184
Speaker 3: she's here, we found her, and she's in hospital. So

742
00:32:04,224 --> 00:32:06,264
Speaker 3: you know straight from the beginning that there's a big

743
00:32:06,304 --> 00:32:09,024
Speaker 3: accident and she survives and like she's trying to find

744
00:32:09,024 --> 00:32:11,424
Speaker 3: out how that actually happens. And I spent the whole

745
00:32:11,464 --> 00:32:15,144
Speaker 3: series trying to work out who the killer was. I

746
00:32:15,184 --> 00:32:17,944
Speaker 3: was pushed her. I was like gat and then that

747
00:32:18,104 --> 00:32:20,144
Speaker 3: boat boy that Mary was walking up with her, he

748
00:32:20,224 --> 00:32:22,184
Speaker 3: was like, I could kill your family for you, Mary,

749
00:32:22,264 --> 00:32:25,144
Speaker 3: and I was like, I he did do it.

750
00:32:25,584 --> 00:32:26,224
Speaker 2: That's so funny.

751
00:32:26,264 --> 00:32:27,944
Speaker 1: I didn't pick it either, and I'm like you, I mean,

752
00:32:28,024 --> 00:32:30,184
Speaker 1: not to the grand stand ourselves, but we do this

753
00:32:30,184 --> 00:32:32,144
Speaker 1: for a job, so I'm really good at plicking a

754
00:32:32,144 --> 00:32:35,304
Speaker 1: pot twist. I can't remember the last time before now

755
00:32:35,384 --> 00:32:37,104
Speaker 1: that I didn't see it coming. And I think I

756
00:32:37,104 --> 00:32:40,024
Speaker 1: didn't see this one coming because maybe I was being

757
00:32:40,024 --> 00:32:41,864
Speaker 1: a bit snooty and I didn't think it was going

758
00:32:41,904 --> 00:32:44,144
Speaker 1: to be like a very clever twist. I thought I

759
00:32:44,184 --> 00:32:46,384
Speaker 1: was just watching like a chashy teen romance.

760
00:32:46,864 --> 00:32:48,664
Speaker 2: I didn't think. I didn't know it was going to

761
00:32:48,664 --> 00:32:49,424
Speaker 2: be a level.

762
00:32:49,224 --> 00:32:51,704
Speaker 3: Above that, a level above us.

763
00:32:51,904 --> 00:32:56,664
Speaker 1: I didn't know the afterlife was. I was like, oh, sorry,

764
00:32:56,864 --> 00:33:00,504
Speaker 1: I estimated you guys. So as we go on, Yeah,

765
00:33:00,584 --> 00:33:03,064
Speaker 1: Katie gets back, and then there's a sadness of like

766
00:33:03,104 --> 00:33:05,344
Speaker 1: why didn't you talk to me? Why didn't you visit me?

767
00:33:05,584 --> 00:33:08,224
Speaker 2: Things seem so strange on the island. Every time she

768
00:33:08,304 --> 00:33:11,704
Speaker 2: tries to like remember what had happened, she has a

769
00:33:11,744 --> 00:33:13,864
Speaker 2: seizure and her body just rejects it.

770
00:33:14,264 --> 00:33:17,824
Speaker 1: And so it's building, building building, And then in the

771
00:33:18,224 --> 00:33:20,504
Speaker 1: coming into the final episode, we discover.

772
00:33:21,584 --> 00:33:23,904
Speaker 3: The whole thing was fake. Everyone's dead.

773
00:33:24,024 --> 00:33:25,784
Speaker 2: Everyone's not dead, including the dog.

774
00:33:25,904 --> 00:33:28,064
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that was so sad. So when the okay,

775
00:33:28,064 --> 00:33:30,864
Speaker 3: so when the dog thing happened, I thought that was

776
00:33:30,904 --> 00:33:31,544
Speaker 3: the plot.

777
00:33:31,304 --> 00:33:33,784
Speaker 1: To me too. I'm not even a dog person, but

778
00:33:33,824 --> 00:33:35,144
Speaker 1: I didn't want it to burn today.

779
00:33:35,864 --> 00:33:37,584
Speaker 3: And then she's like the dogs died and they were

780
00:33:37,664 --> 00:33:40,424
Speaker 3: all crying and hugging her, and I was like, oh

781
00:33:40,544 --> 00:33:41,584
Speaker 3: my god, that's.

782
00:33:41,424 --> 00:33:45,064
Speaker 1: The worst outcome. I was like, that was a bad

783
00:33:45,224 --> 00:33:45,744
Speaker 1: And then I was.

784
00:33:45,704 --> 00:33:47,624
Speaker 3: Like, oh, what a beautiful show. And then I look

785
00:33:47,664 --> 00:33:48,984
Speaker 3: at the time because I was like, wait, I'm really

786
00:33:49,024 --> 00:33:50,624
Speaker 3: halfway through the last episode.

787
00:33:50,824 --> 00:33:55,424
Speaker 1: What do you mean there's gonna be more dogs? So yes,

788
00:33:55,464 --> 00:33:58,864
Speaker 1: when they decide to burn down the big family mansion,

789
00:33:59,304 --> 00:34:02,744
Speaker 1: which I knew such a just terrible idea.

790
00:34:02,904 --> 00:34:06,944
Speaker 3: Actually, when they were going through the plan of burning

791
00:34:06,984 --> 00:34:10,184
Speaker 3: down the mansion and they were like, Johnny, you take

792
00:34:10,224 --> 00:34:13,744
Speaker 3: the attic. Miren, you take level one, I'll take the

793
00:34:13,744 --> 00:34:16,944
Speaker 3: ground floor. When the clock strikes twelve, we'll all light

794
00:34:16,984 --> 00:34:20,104
Speaker 3: a match and then run for hell. Immediately, I was like, oh,

795
00:34:20,144 --> 00:34:22,224
Speaker 3: I wonder how they did that, because if Johnny's upstairs,

796
00:34:22,304 --> 00:34:24,384
Speaker 3: he has to come downstairs. They're all lighting at the

797
00:34:24,384 --> 00:34:26,944
Speaker 3: same time, the whole place will be on fires. So

798
00:34:26,984 --> 00:34:28,664
Speaker 3: I was literally like, that's crazy how they did that.

799
00:34:28,664 --> 00:34:29,384
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see that.

800
00:34:30,424 --> 00:34:31,184
Speaker 1: You get out of there.

801
00:34:33,704 --> 00:34:35,984
Speaker 3: Little did I know they didn't get out of there.

802
00:34:36,064 --> 00:34:36,544
Speaker 1: You didn't get it.

803
00:34:36,784 --> 00:34:39,904
Speaker 3: They didn't have me on their team. I said something.

804
00:34:39,624 --> 00:34:41,344
Speaker 1: Even tho I would have been like, guys, I don't

805
00:34:41,424 --> 00:34:42,104
Speaker 1: think we should lay.

806
00:34:42,344 --> 00:34:45,864
Speaker 3: How about let's do this, guys. Clock strikes twelve. Johnny,

807
00:34:46,144 --> 00:34:50,184
Speaker 3: you light the first match, run downstairs, Meet Mirren, Miren,

808
00:34:50,264 --> 00:34:53,904
Speaker 3: you like the second match, run downstairs, Meet Katie. Katie,

809
00:34:54,184 --> 00:34:58,304
Speaker 3: last match, all run out together, Gat staying in seconds.

810
00:34:58,504 --> 00:34:59,384
Speaker 1: Don't leave the boat.

811
00:34:59,944 --> 00:35:02,584
Speaker 3: Do you stay on that boat? Gat, you change up

812
00:35:02,664 --> 00:35:03,664
Speaker 3: to that boat.

813
00:35:04,104 --> 00:35:06,664
Speaker 1: And let's do a quick room check, room check before

814
00:35:06,704 --> 00:35:07,064
Speaker 1: we leave.

815
00:35:07,104 --> 00:35:09,784
Speaker 3: Katie. While we're lighting matches upstairs, just make sure you

816
00:35:09,824 --> 00:35:10,664
Speaker 3: let the dogs.

817
00:35:10,744 --> 00:35:12,704
Speaker 4: Yeah, because remember the dogs are in there and they've

818
00:35:12,744 --> 00:35:14,664
Speaker 4: been drugs with anxiety medication.

819
00:35:15,104 --> 00:35:16,464
Speaker 2: What's so bad?

820
00:35:16,824 --> 00:35:19,584
Speaker 3: So again, and Katie just letting you know, we don't

821
00:35:19,624 --> 00:35:20,344
Speaker 3: need the pearls.

822
00:35:21,504 --> 00:35:24,984
Speaker 1: The pearls today they're all getting like Mira and storing

823
00:35:24,984 --> 00:35:25,624
Speaker 1: it painting out.

824
00:35:25,624 --> 00:35:26,504
Speaker 3: She's getting the pearls.

825
00:35:26,784 --> 00:35:29,424
Speaker 1: Guys, this is not the time to be collecting our belongings.

826
00:35:29,704 --> 00:35:32,304
Speaker 3: If Maren's throwing her own painting out, then her mother

827
00:35:32,424 --> 00:35:35,584
Speaker 3: mended while looking at a book on how to restore paintings.

828
00:35:35,704 --> 00:35:37,984
Speaker 3: You don't need those fucking pearls, girl, You get out

829
00:35:37,984 --> 00:35:38,224
Speaker 3: of there.

830
00:35:38,304 --> 00:35:40,624
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And also this whole thing, it was an accident.

831
00:35:40,624 --> 00:35:42,184
Speaker 1: It's not gonna fly. It was an accident, but we

832
00:35:42,224 --> 00:35:44,784
Speaker 1: managed to get a few things out. So they start

833
00:35:44,824 --> 00:35:47,384
Speaker 1: to burn the house down. Katie has that realization of

834
00:35:47,424 --> 00:35:50,184
Speaker 1: the dogs being in the house, which is awful.

835
00:35:50,504 --> 00:35:52,264
Speaker 3: Okay, this is the part why I get confused.

836
00:35:52,304 --> 00:35:54,064
Speaker 2: Okay, hit me with it, because.

837
00:35:53,824 --> 00:35:56,624
Speaker 3: The first scene we see her in the house, we

838
00:35:56,664 --> 00:36:00,264
Speaker 3: see her hearing the dogs going running back, I need

839
00:36:00,304 --> 00:36:02,824
Speaker 3: to say the dogs. But then the second time it

840
00:36:02,904 --> 00:36:04,944
Speaker 3: happens where we see the replay of the scene she

841
00:36:05,024 --> 00:36:06,704
Speaker 3: runs back for the pearls.

842
00:36:07,024 --> 00:36:08,944
Speaker 1: Well, she went back to the pearls early which means

843
00:36:08,944 --> 00:36:10,704
Speaker 1: she was very close to the house when she heard

844
00:36:10,704 --> 00:36:13,584
Speaker 1: the dogs. She should have already been on the boat

845
00:36:13,584 --> 00:36:13,784
Speaker 1: by that.

846
00:36:13,904 --> 00:36:16,304
Speaker 3: So she sees the clerk, sees the photo of the pearls, goes, oh,

847
00:36:16,424 --> 00:36:18,464
Speaker 3: let me go get the pearls, comes back, and then

848
00:36:18,504 --> 00:36:20,224
Speaker 3: only when she's out for the second time, she's like,

849
00:36:20,624 --> 00:36:22,464
Speaker 3: hear the dogs. Yeah, and it's too late.

850
00:36:22,704 --> 00:36:24,984
Speaker 1: And that's that's a really beautiful scene with those four

851
00:36:25,024 --> 00:36:28,744
Speaker 1: young actors when they're helping Katie have that realization. They're

852
00:36:28,744 --> 00:36:31,864
Speaker 1: playing scrabble. The writer said that was the hardest day

853
00:36:31,904 --> 00:36:34,624
Speaker 1: on set because I think maybe just the emotions hit

854
00:36:34,664 --> 00:36:36,784
Speaker 1: them or they were like thinking about dogs.

855
00:36:36,504 --> 00:36:38,544
Speaker 3: Burning to death, which is so sad. And they also

856
00:36:38,584 --> 00:36:41,224
Speaker 3: had to know that they aren't really like they're not

857
00:36:41,264 --> 00:36:42,824
Speaker 3: really there, that they've also died.

858
00:36:43,144 --> 00:36:44,464
Speaker 2: I mean think I knew that when they wrote the script,

859
00:36:44,504 --> 00:36:45,024
Speaker 2: but yeah.

860
00:36:44,864 --> 00:36:46,944
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, But I mean, like the characters they're playing

861
00:36:47,424 --> 00:36:51,424
Speaker 3: are characters who know they're dead, who are probably thinking that,

862
00:36:51,464 --> 00:36:53,744
Speaker 3: like Katie is going to realize that they're dead, but

863
00:36:53,824 --> 00:36:54,984
Speaker 3: she know she doesn't.

864
00:36:55,024 --> 00:36:56,504
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is they have to have this realization

865
00:36:56,624 --> 00:36:58,464
Speaker 1: the dogs first and let her sit in that grief,

866
00:36:58,544 --> 00:37:02,744
Speaker 1: because that's awful. Yeah, the writer. Then she's probably like, anyway, yeah.

867
00:37:02,624 --> 00:37:03,544
Speaker 3: Let's go back to the beach.

868
00:37:04,464 --> 00:37:06,264
Speaker 2: Let's get this hot romance keep going.

869
00:37:06,544 --> 00:37:08,744
Speaker 1: The writers said that that was the day the actors

870
00:37:08,784 --> 00:37:11,424
Speaker 1: cried the most. They sobbed all day, from the morning

871
00:37:11,464 --> 00:37:13,624
Speaker 1: they started till late at night. In between takes, it

872
00:37:13,744 --> 00:37:15,584
Speaker 1: just like hit them or they had they were trying

873
00:37:15,624 --> 00:37:16,744
Speaker 1: to stay in that space.

874
00:37:16,864 --> 00:37:20,144
Speaker 3: So you just like, that's the very intent bitmash.

875
00:37:19,464 --> 00:37:23,024
Speaker 1: Okay, well sorry there, artistic creativity is too much.

876
00:37:23,104 --> 00:37:24,984
Speaker 2: She Emily is like, well you stayed in character.

877
00:37:25,104 --> 00:37:27,424
Speaker 3: Yuckday me too.

878
00:37:27,744 --> 00:37:31,304
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Daniel da lewis over here, so we moved

879
00:37:31,304 --> 00:37:33,064
Speaker 1: from the thing is like the dogs dying was not

880
00:37:33,144 --> 00:37:36,504
Speaker 1: the worst thing. That moment where Katie realizes that her

881
00:37:36,584 --> 00:37:39,224
Speaker 1: two very best friends in the world, her two cousins,

882
00:37:39,664 --> 00:37:41,904
Speaker 1: perished in the fire so sadly.

883
00:37:42,064 --> 00:37:44,504
Speaker 2: Also that scene of when like you see each and.

884
00:37:44,584 --> 00:37:47,944
Speaker 1: The fire start to engulf them or literally stuck my

885
00:37:47,944 --> 00:37:50,784
Speaker 1: living room and I'm like, what is happening? They're dead

886
00:37:51,464 --> 00:37:52,904
Speaker 1: and then you see and then and then she realizes

887
00:37:52,944 --> 00:37:55,544
Speaker 1: that gat the love of her life, is also dead,

888
00:37:55,584 --> 00:37:58,224
Speaker 1: and that they died all trying to save her, all

889
00:37:58,264 --> 00:38:00,784
Speaker 1: stuck because they couldn't do arson, and then you see

890
00:38:00,784 --> 00:38:02,664
Speaker 1: that thing and this is Emily Allen. Lynn's really great

891
00:38:02,664 --> 00:38:04,384
Speaker 1: in the scene where she's fall to the beach and

892
00:38:04,424 --> 00:38:06,504
Speaker 1: starts screaming.

893
00:38:06,664 --> 00:38:08,584
Speaker 3: And then like you see her fall to the beach

894
00:38:08,704 --> 00:38:11,624
Speaker 3: and they're not there around her because they were there,

895
00:38:11,664 --> 00:38:12,824
Speaker 3: but obviously the go.

896
00:38:12,904 --> 00:38:15,024
Speaker 1: This is when this twist worked really well, because I

897
00:38:15,184 --> 00:38:17,824
Speaker 1: hate a twist where the twist is ha ha, you

898
00:38:17,824 --> 00:38:20,184
Speaker 1: didn't see that coming, as in like we just did something.

899
00:38:20,184 --> 00:38:21,584
Speaker 2: And also when you look back on it, you're like,

900
00:38:22,104 --> 00:38:22,864
Speaker 2: I mean, I hate.

901
00:38:22,704 --> 00:38:24,504
Speaker 1: She uses because this is barely a twist, but like

902
00:38:24,544 --> 00:38:26,784
Speaker 1: when you find it like Dan's Gossip Girl to bring

903
00:38:26,784 --> 00:38:28,704
Speaker 1: it back to Gossip Girl, you're like, that's not twist

904
00:38:28,784 --> 00:38:30,864
Speaker 1: because you obviously just decided on the last day that

905
00:38:30,944 --> 00:38:33,024
Speaker 1: it was happy him, and when you go back through

906
00:38:33,064 --> 00:38:36,904
Speaker 1: the episodes, there's nothing to point towards that it's clearly

907
00:38:36,944 --> 00:38:39,384
Speaker 1: not true. Whereas this show, when you watch it back,

908
00:38:39,704 --> 00:38:41,584
Speaker 1: it's almost like the sixth sense where you watch it

909
00:38:41,624 --> 00:38:43,664
Speaker 1: back and you're like, of course he's a ghost.

910
00:38:43,984 --> 00:38:45,624
Speaker 3: Thing's kind of ruined for people today if they haven't

911
00:38:45,664 --> 00:38:46,104
Speaker 3: seen them.

912
00:38:47,224 --> 00:38:54,224
Speaker 5: Every plot twist just listing we have done that we'll

913
00:38:54,264 --> 00:38:54,984
Speaker 5: looking at that show.

914
00:38:55,024 --> 00:38:57,184
Speaker 1: Not we've done an episode, we talk about the biggest

915
00:38:57,184 --> 00:38:58,944
Speaker 1: movie plot twist. Sorry about that, but it's like the

916
00:38:58,944 --> 00:39:00,944
Speaker 1: sixth sense where you you watch it through the first

917
00:39:00,984 --> 00:39:02,904
Speaker 1: time and if you saw one of the people lucky

918
00:39:02,944 --> 00:39:04,824
Speaker 1: enough to see it in cinemas, you're like, oh my god,

919
00:39:04,864 --> 00:39:06,824
Speaker 1: he was dead the whole time. And then you watch

920
00:39:06,824 --> 00:39:09,224
Speaker 1: it back and you're like, yeah, like the movie's telling

921
00:39:09,264 --> 00:39:09,824
Speaker 1: me the whole time.

922
00:39:09,824 --> 00:39:11,344
Speaker 2: I just couldn't see it. And I feel like we

923
00:39:11,344 --> 00:39:13,584
Speaker 2: were liars had a very similar threat.

924
00:39:13,664 --> 00:39:16,624
Speaker 3: They did it so perfectly because then I immediately went

925
00:39:16,664 --> 00:39:20,864
Speaker 3: back and watched some clips of like the I kept

926
00:39:20,864 --> 00:39:22,744
Speaker 3: like because I was like parts that I remembered in

927
00:39:22,784 --> 00:39:24,344
Speaker 3: my head because I just finished.

928
00:39:24,064 --> 00:39:25,704
Speaker 2: It The People show people went back and watched the

929
00:39:25,704 --> 00:39:26,544
Speaker 2: whole show.

930
00:39:26,784 --> 00:39:29,824
Speaker 3: There were so many things because like obviously the liars

931
00:39:29,864 --> 00:39:34,064
Speaker 3: in Summer seventeen don't interact with anyone else but Katie. Also,

932
00:39:34,264 --> 00:39:37,904
Speaker 3: Katie's mom is like kind of tells you what's happening. Yeah,

933
00:39:38,064 --> 00:39:40,624
Speaker 3: So Katie like she's like, why don't you tell me

934
00:39:40,664 --> 00:39:43,464
Speaker 3: the truth? And her Mom's like, I have but every

935
00:39:43,464 --> 00:39:45,304
Speaker 3: time we do tell you the truth, you have a

936
00:39:45,344 --> 00:39:47,984
Speaker 3: seizure because you can't handle it. And the liars like

937
00:39:48,064 --> 00:39:50,464
Speaker 3: not calling her, like she had to get a phone

938
00:39:50,464 --> 00:39:52,104
Speaker 3: taken off her. Every time she looks at her phone.

939
00:39:52,144 --> 00:39:54,504
Speaker 3: She gets a seizure in the library when she went

940
00:39:54,544 --> 00:39:57,664
Speaker 3: to the library with quote unquote Gat allegedly wasn't there,

941
00:39:58,224 --> 00:40:00,304
Speaker 3: and she obviously read what happened in the fire and

942
00:40:00,344 --> 00:40:02,344
Speaker 3: had a seizure there, and then like dreamt the ice

943
00:40:02,384 --> 00:40:05,024
Speaker 3: cream on the mainland. And it's just like these little

944
00:40:05,064 --> 00:40:08,544
Speaker 3: things where every time she even mentioned the liars to

945
00:40:08,704 --> 00:40:10,984
Speaker 3: her mom, her mom just looked so so sad but

946
00:40:11,024 --> 00:40:12,904
Speaker 3: wouldn't say anything, like where She was like why didn't

947
00:40:12,904 --> 00:40:15,224
Speaker 3: they call? And her mum was just like I can't.

948
00:40:15,304 --> 00:40:16,504
Speaker 2: She's like I can't tell you this again.

949
00:40:16,624 --> 00:40:18,184
Speaker 1: You know, there's so many little things again when you

950
00:40:18,264 --> 00:40:21,504
Speaker 1: see that, like Katie's interacting the characters, even when Miria's

951
00:40:21,544 --> 00:40:23,904
Speaker 1: little sisters are like, Katie, tell us the ghost story

952
00:40:23,984 --> 00:40:25,584
Speaker 1: and she's like ask mirror and they're just like.

953
00:40:25,664 --> 00:40:28,064
Speaker 2: Haha, it's just dead. That's actually really neat of you

954
00:40:28,104 --> 00:40:28,504
Speaker 2: to say.

955
00:40:28,744 --> 00:40:30,424
Speaker 1: And the fact that the liars are all in those

956
00:40:30,424 --> 00:40:33,464
Speaker 1: pale clothes the whole time, the fact that they don't

957
00:40:33,544 --> 00:40:36,224
Speaker 1: change their clothing, the fact that they're never with the family.

958
00:40:36,264 --> 00:40:39,224
Speaker 1: They're always at these little spots, the three of them

959
00:40:39,264 --> 00:40:41,544
Speaker 1: together that the rest of the family is avoiding, even

960
00:40:41,544 --> 00:40:44,424
Speaker 1: when they do that big cliff jump when the neighbors,

961
00:40:44,504 --> 00:40:47,504
Speaker 1: like I saw Katie up on the cliff and the

962
00:40:47,584 --> 00:40:49,664
Speaker 1: kids up on the cliff. But also when Katie falls

963
00:40:49,704 --> 00:40:52,144
Speaker 1: into the water when she jumps off the cliff, bubbles

964
00:40:52,184 --> 00:40:54,624
Speaker 1: come out of her mouth because she's breathing, and you

965
00:40:54,664 --> 00:40:56,824
Speaker 1: see in the cliff Johnny and gat jump in to

966
00:40:56,904 --> 00:40:58,504
Speaker 1: save her and they pull out of the water and

967
00:40:58,504 --> 00:40:59,864
Speaker 1: nothing's coming out of their mouth.

968
00:40:59,984 --> 00:41:00,584
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

969
00:41:00,784 --> 00:41:03,304
Speaker 1: So you're like that because they're breathing, breathing, or when

970
00:41:03,304 --> 00:41:05,464
Speaker 1: they're floating out on the float of things, and she

971
00:41:05,584 --> 00:41:07,824
Speaker 1: tells Johnny to put sunscreen on and he's like, yeah,

972
00:41:07,864 --> 00:41:09,584
Speaker 1: I don't want to burn again because he was worried

973
00:41:09,624 --> 00:41:10,304
Speaker 1: he's going to go to hell.

974
00:41:11,184 --> 00:41:14,784
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, that was really sad, actually scared

975
00:41:14,784 --> 00:41:17,424
Speaker 3: of dying like that. It was really really sad.

976
00:41:17,864 --> 00:41:19,784
Speaker 1: So yeah, what a freaking plot twist.

977
00:41:19,824 --> 00:41:22,264
Speaker 3: What a plot twist. What was really interesting about the

978
00:41:22,384 --> 00:41:24,904
Speaker 3: ending ending where like she figures it all out and

979
00:41:24,944 --> 00:41:28,024
Speaker 3: she's having that kind of debrief with Harris, her grandfather,

980
00:41:28,384 --> 00:41:31,384
Speaker 3: and he's the only one who knows the truth about her.

981
00:41:31,504 --> 00:41:35,744
Speaker 3: And he's still that like old guy. Like we find

982
00:41:35,744 --> 00:41:38,464
Speaker 3: out that he's also like going through dementia. He's been

983
00:41:38,504 --> 00:41:41,464
Speaker 3: having brain scans and stuff, and he's starting to forget things.

984
00:41:41,984 --> 00:41:45,424
Speaker 3: And you see that he cares so so much about

985
00:41:45,504 --> 00:41:47,824
Speaker 3: the family, like and what they stand for and what

986
00:41:47,864 --> 00:41:50,664
Speaker 3: they look like to the world, that he's willing to

987
00:41:50,744 --> 00:41:55,264
Speaker 3: keep the secret that his granddaughter like could be potentially

988
00:41:55,344 --> 00:41:59,824
Speaker 3: charged with like involuntary manslaughter and animal cruelty. And it's

989
00:41:59,864 --> 00:42:02,984
Speaker 3: weird because that is something a grandfather would do for

990
00:42:03,064 --> 00:42:05,344
Speaker 3: their grandchild. But that's not the reason why he did it.

991
00:42:05,584 --> 00:42:07,304
Speaker 1: He doesn't care if she gets any punishment, if he

992
00:42:07,344 --> 00:42:10,864
Speaker 1: doesn't see her. He cares that preserving family legacy, which

993
00:42:10,904 --> 00:42:13,544
Speaker 1: does make you think that he Something we do kind

994
00:42:13,584 --> 00:42:15,344
Speaker 1: of know is that he is also very aware of

995
00:42:15,744 --> 00:42:18,544
Speaker 1: all the other misdemeanors and horrible things his family has done,

996
00:42:18,904 --> 00:42:20,704
Speaker 1: whether he's forced them to or not, and he's just

997
00:42:20,784 --> 00:42:22,864
Speaker 1: keeping it all secret because all he cares about, as

998
00:42:22,864 --> 00:42:24,784
Speaker 1: you see when that reporter and the photographer there and

999
00:42:24,824 --> 00:42:27,824
Speaker 1: the final scene taking those photos, he only cares what

1000
00:42:27,824 --> 00:42:30,104
Speaker 1: that photo looks like, not what's happening in the photo

1001
00:42:30,184 --> 00:42:31,144
Speaker 1: with the family.

1002
00:42:30,864 --> 00:42:33,224
Speaker 3: And you can see that like after everything that's happened,

1003
00:42:33,264 --> 00:42:36,984
Speaker 3: like finally, the sisters are like, let Katie do what

1004
00:42:37,024 --> 00:42:40,184
Speaker 3: she needs to do. Like firstly, like Bess and Carrie

1005
00:42:40,224 --> 00:42:44,384
Speaker 3: are just like so happy that Katie's alive, and Penny

1006
00:42:44,624 --> 00:42:47,944
Speaker 3: is just like has obviously been through this huge, huge

1007
00:42:47,944 --> 00:42:51,024
Speaker 3: tough time. Like even that conversation she and Katie had

1008
00:42:51,384 --> 00:42:53,224
Speaker 3: towards the end when Katie lets her know that she

1009
00:42:53,344 --> 00:42:57,024
Speaker 3: now knows what has happened without having a seizure, Yeah,

1010
00:42:57,064 --> 00:42:59,184
Speaker 3: and told her that I actually need help and she

1011
00:42:59,304 --> 00:43:00,704
Speaker 3: was like, thank you for telling me that. I'm like,

1012
00:43:01,184 --> 00:43:03,784
Speaker 3: she wouldn't have said that, Like if this didn't happen,

1013
00:43:03,864 --> 00:43:06,384
Speaker 3: like that is not how that type of mother quote

1014
00:43:06,424 --> 00:43:08,344
Speaker 3: unquote would have responded to that situation.

1015
00:43:08,744 --> 00:43:11,344
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, it's a moment and where the sisters hug

1016
00:43:11,344 --> 00:43:13,864
Speaker 1: each other as Katie drives off into the sunset and

1017
00:43:13,904 --> 00:43:14,704
Speaker 1: he comes back.

1018
00:43:14,904 --> 00:43:15,744
Speaker 2: Yeah, I loved him.

1019
00:43:16,024 --> 00:43:18,024
Speaker 3: I love that actor so much time to give to that.

1020
00:43:18,064 --> 00:43:20,984
Speaker 1: But he's great everything I've seen him in so good

1021
00:43:21,144 --> 00:43:22,824
Speaker 1: zombie if you know, you know, but he was so

1022
00:43:22,864 --> 00:43:24,224
Speaker 1: great and I love that when he came back.

1023
00:43:24,224 --> 00:43:25,464
Speaker 2: But yeah, that hug.

1024
00:43:25,504 --> 00:43:28,104
Speaker 1: This three sisters have at the end despite everything I've done,

1025
00:43:28,184 --> 00:43:31,424
Speaker 1: does feel very earned, especially because Carrie and Best now

1026
00:43:31,504 --> 00:43:35,904
Speaker 1: have this shared intense trauma over losing their children. That's

1027
00:43:35,904 --> 00:43:37,984
Speaker 1: why that's that scene with them sitting on the dock

1028
00:43:38,144 --> 00:43:40,384
Speaker 1: talking about are they being punished what they did in

1029
00:43:40,424 --> 00:43:43,704
Speaker 1: their past which is in the prequel book, or is

1030
00:43:43,744 --> 00:43:45,864
Speaker 1: this just some kind of horrible fate. And then you

1031
00:43:45,904 --> 00:43:49,224
Speaker 1: also have Penny stuck in the middle because her sisters

1032
00:43:49,224 --> 00:43:51,384
Speaker 1: have lost their children, but also her daughter has gone

1033
00:43:51,424 --> 00:43:54,024
Speaker 1: through this huge trauma and it is like broken, so.

1034
00:43:53,944 --> 00:43:55,024
Speaker 2: They're all in this grief.

1035
00:43:55,504 --> 00:43:58,624
Speaker 1: It's so interesting because there's a scene in the show

1036
00:43:58,664 --> 00:44:01,464
Speaker 1: that almost foreshadows what's going to happen when they're baking

1037
00:44:01,464 --> 00:44:04,784
Speaker 1: the pies. So they're baking the pies because their mother

1038
00:44:04,864 --> 00:44:08,664
Speaker 1: always made the pies. Yeah, and their two pies burn

1039
00:44:09,224 --> 00:44:11,984
Speaker 1: and Penny's pie is saved, but then.

1040
00:44:11,944 --> 00:44:13,784
Speaker 2: Water is thrown on it and it's like washed.

1041
00:44:14,344 --> 00:44:16,224
Speaker 1: But the water is the thing because at the end,

1042
00:44:16,224 --> 00:44:18,384
Speaker 1: obviously Katie jumped into the water and the other two

1043
00:44:18,464 --> 00:44:18,864
Speaker 1: and that's.

1044
00:44:18,704 --> 00:44:20,944
Speaker 3: Another thing, like the kids didn't know like how she

1045
00:44:21,024 --> 00:44:22,544
Speaker 3: got into water because they weren't there.

1046
00:44:23,224 --> 00:44:25,144
Speaker 1: They just kept saying we don't know, and they didn't know.

1047
00:44:25,944 --> 00:44:28,664
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what well, I hope you watched it.

1048
00:44:29,624 --> 00:44:31,584
Speaker 1: Otherwise We've just we hope you watch that.

1049
00:44:31,704 --> 00:44:33,264
Speaker 3: We hope you watched six Cents. We hope you.

1050
00:44:33,904 --> 00:44:35,904
Speaker 1: Yeah, just all the big plot twists, all the big

1051
00:44:35,944 --> 00:44:38,984
Speaker 1: plot twists and cinematic history. But yeah, we all lies

1052
00:44:38,984 --> 00:44:40,544
Speaker 1: on prime video. What a great watch.

1053
00:44:40,624 --> 00:44:43,424
Speaker 3: Eight episodes over fifty minutes each episode, each one is

1054
00:44:43,504 --> 00:44:44,304
Speaker 3: so so good.

1055
00:44:44,544 --> 00:44:46,344
Speaker 2: Yeah, so brilliant acting.

1056
00:44:46,584 --> 00:44:49,104
Speaker 1: Loved it. Really hoping they do that second season. I'm

1057
00:44:49,144 --> 00:44:54,824
Speaker 1: gonna go read both books. Yeah, a little book club. Good.

1058
00:44:55,144 --> 00:44:56,624
Speaker 3: We're about to spend a lot of time together.

1059
00:44:57,224 --> 00:44:59,544
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're about to go on the road to

1060
00:44:59,744 --> 00:45:02,184
Speaker 1: the road together, so we can do that book club.

1061
00:45:02,304 --> 00:45:04,424
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1062
00:45:04,464 --> 00:45:07,024
Speaker 3: this review, so if you haven't listened or watched any

1063
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Speaker 3: of our previous Bridley on His reviews, please do. They're

1064
00:45:09,864 --> 00:45:11,864
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1065
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Speaker 3: link to a bunch of them in our show notes.

1066
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1067
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Speaker 1: Bye Bye Bye

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Speaker 3: Plan It.