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Speaker 3: Out louders, it's Mea here with your Sunday spech. We've

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Speaker 3: got a very special episode of No Filter for you today,

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Speaker 3: starring well two out of three of us. Jesse hosted

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Speaker 3: No Filter this week and she had three guests. I

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Speaker 3: She had me, Asha Ketty and my longtime friend Powerhouse

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Speaker 3: producer Bruna pap Andrea, and we were giving her all

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Speaker 3: the low down on season two of Strife. If you

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Speaker 3: love season one, you're going to absolutely devour what we've

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Speaker 3: got planned next. And we spoke about some of the

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Speaker 3: themes that are in this issue and how it all

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Speaker 3: came together behind the scenes, where Evelyn Jones, who is

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Speaker 3: running a women's media empire, is going what is true and.

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Speaker 4: What is fiction.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot that's based on truth in this season,

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Speaker 3: and the four of us to get in one room

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Speaker 3: was just chaos in the best possible way. Laughs, confessions,

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Speaker 3: and some truly honest conversations about women in media and

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Speaker 3: So please enjoy this special No Filter episode, and if

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Speaker 3: you haven't already, make sure you catch season two of

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Speaker 3: Strife on Binge.

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Speaker 5: It's out now.

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Speaker 6: Hello there, I am Jesse Stevens and welcome to No Filter.

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Speaker 6: I know I'm not the voice you're used to, and

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Speaker 6: I too am disappointed not to hear the beautiful tones

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Speaker 6: of her seed this week for a very special occasion.

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Speaker 6: It has been eighteen months since Australia was first introduced

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Speaker 6: to Evelyn Jones, the woman trying to build a digital

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Speaker 6: media company from the ground up while keeping her personal

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Speaker 6: life from falling apart. Evelyn is, of course, the main

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Speaker 6: character of the comedy drama series Strife, which broke first

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Speaker 7: Week viewing records for Binge.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 6: Strife is back for a second season, inspired by the

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Speaker 6: book work Strife balance by co founder and chief creative

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Speaker 6: host of No Filter, Maya Friedman. In this special episode,

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Speaker 6: I'm joined by Maya herself, actor Ashaketty who plays Evelyn,

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Speaker 7: Made Up Stories.

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Speaker 6: We reflect on season one, including Maya's personal spiral around

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Speaker 6: as writers, producers, actors, and more broadly, as women. We

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Speaker 6: talk about the three c's, competition, comparison, and cancelation. We

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Speaker 6: whose experiences are off and up for public consumption. And

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Speaker 6: of course, we talk about ambition. In a room full

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Speaker 6: when women want more. Here are Maya, Asher and Bruna.

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Speaker 6: Let's begin with the impact of season one, right because

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Speaker 6: that broke records for the most streamed show I think

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Speaker 6: did you expect Strife to be that successful?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 8: No, I know, I always get asked this question, did

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Speaker 6: One of the key sort of themes of this season

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Speaker 2: The shows that we make, the content that we put

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's competitive in a way.

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Speaker 6: You know, I'm interested in whether the competitiveness ever gets

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Speaker 7: People, because I have this sort about there's.

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Speaker 6: A nemesis as all much I want to know if

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Speaker 8: Well, it's it's it's such a great question because it's

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Speaker 8: And I find I do find in Hollywood that like,

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Speaker 8: But I don't think there's enough of it. I actually

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Speaker 8: I do think I have a healthy competitiveness one hundred.

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Speaker 6: How about Maya, because this strife is obviously, you know,

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Speaker 3: So well, I'm a monster when it comes to being competitive.

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Speaker 3: It's not my favorite trait, and yet I also see

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Speaker 4: So I sort of flip because.

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Speaker 3: I'm always even when I was in magazines and rivals

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Speaker 3: and I think that that's always so scary. But what

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Speaker 4: I find that that's really motivating.

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Speaker 6: I wanted to ask you as well, Maya, about season

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Speaker 6: but it was seen as something that was influenced, you know,

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Speaker 3: I remember saying to Brunner and Asha when I saw

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Speaker 4: And at that time, it just felt too much.

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Speaker 3: I didn't I didn't have any way to process it

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Speaker 6: It took me a while, and you didn't know how

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Speaker 7: And who hated you. So that's a pretty scary thing.

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Speaker 3: What was delightful is that the conversation wasn't about me. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And I was so relieved because I didn't want it

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Speaker 6: And a lot of that had to do with Asha

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Speaker 6: You weren't handed a script, not for season one, not

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Speaker 2: understanding actually of what goes into building a company like this,

435
00:23:14,182 --> 00:23:18,181
Speaker 2: a media company a huge thing, and how much of

436
00:23:18,222 --> 00:23:22,022
Speaker 2: you is required to put into it and put out there,

437
00:23:22,141 --> 00:23:26,581
Speaker 2: so to speak. I mean, I really didn't have a

438
00:23:26,581 --> 00:23:30,142
Speaker 2: good understanding of that at all. So yes is the answer.

439
00:23:30,262 --> 00:23:36,142
Speaker 2: The respect that I've kind of developed for that is huge,

440
00:23:36,341 --> 00:23:41,421
Speaker 2: and having to go through the performance and the cost

441
00:23:41,542 --> 00:23:46,941
Speaker 2: of what it is emotionally and physically to working that

442
00:23:47,101 --> 00:23:49,982
Speaker 2: hard and revealing yourself. I mean, I always said it

443
00:23:50,022 --> 00:23:53,022
Speaker 2: takes a certain kind of courage to put yourself out

444
00:23:53,022 --> 00:23:55,821
Speaker 2: there in that way, something I've not ever done well

445
00:23:56,702 --> 00:23:57,022
Speaker 2: being me.

446
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting that it's so funny that you said,

447
00:24:00,702 --> 00:24:02,061
Speaker 3: will then stop doing the video?

448
00:24:02,581 --> 00:24:05,262
Speaker 4: No I asked you. I didn't say, why don't you?

449
00:24:05,782 --> 00:24:06,662
Speaker 1: It's a really good friend.

450
00:24:06,702 --> 00:24:09,981
Speaker 2: That's a question everyone, I wonder because everyone those you

451
00:24:10,061 --> 00:24:12,302
Speaker 2: on graphast, everybody, do you know what I mean?

452
00:24:12,661 --> 00:24:15,701
Speaker 3: But that's what they're always competitors coming and you've got

453
00:24:15,742 --> 00:24:17,901
Speaker 3: to stay on top, and it's an arms race like

454
00:24:18,821 --> 00:24:20,861
Speaker 3: But then what Evelyn grapples with a lot in season

455
00:24:20,901 --> 00:24:24,342
Speaker 3: two is what Brunner and I have as business owners

456
00:24:24,381 --> 00:24:28,581
Speaker 3: and founders, co founders, both of us in what you

457
00:24:28,901 --> 00:24:32,981
Speaker 3: want to do for the art and what's right, and

458
00:24:32,982 --> 00:24:36,341
Speaker 3: then what you need to do for commercial realities and

459
00:24:36,502 --> 00:24:38,861
Speaker 3: all that juggling act that you have to have to

460
00:24:38,901 --> 00:24:42,502
Speaker 3: make between compromise, compromise, compromise, How do you retain the

461
00:24:42,542 --> 00:24:44,021
Speaker 3: integrity of what you want to do and what your

462
00:24:44,022 --> 00:24:47,341
Speaker 3: company stands for versus the commercial realities of having to

463
00:24:47,381 --> 00:24:49,542
Speaker 3: keep the lights on? Of course, you know, Bernie, you

464
00:24:49,621 --> 00:24:51,621
Speaker 3: must go through that all the time. There must be

465
00:24:51,621 --> 00:24:53,262
Speaker 3: a million things that you want to produce, but you

466
00:24:53,302 --> 00:24:54,941
Speaker 3: know there's just not a big enough audience for it,

467
00:24:54,982 --> 00:24:55,781
Speaker 3: a funding for it.

468
00:24:55,982 --> 00:24:59,302
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, no, I do. And I think that's my

469
00:24:59,542 --> 00:25:02,421
Speaker 8: interest was so much. I think in telling this story

470
00:25:02,581 --> 00:25:05,141
Speaker 8: was dictated by that. I think I've said this before,

471
00:25:05,702 --> 00:25:08,381
Speaker 8: but the reason I wanted to make this show is

472
00:25:08,381 --> 00:25:10,861
Speaker 8: because when I didn't filter, god how many years ago

473
00:25:10,901 --> 00:25:13,461
Speaker 8: the first time, and I walked into the office and

474
00:25:13,462 --> 00:25:15,502
Speaker 8: I saw all these women sitting there and like how

475
00:25:15,542 --> 00:25:17,861
Speaker 8: big it was and what she'd created. And as someone

476
00:25:17,901 --> 00:25:21,542
Speaker 8: who's created something, and we're like a tiny when we

477
00:25:21,702 --> 00:25:23,741
Speaker 8: make a show, it's hundreds of people right now, but

478
00:25:23,821 --> 00:25:27,941
Speaker 8: our company itself is like fifteen people, But you know,

479
00:25:28,061 --> 00:25:31,182
Speaker 8: I think people really truly it's so easy to take

480
00:25:31,542 --> 00:25:35,262
Speaker 8: people for people to kind of attack and criticize, but

481
00:25:35,462 --> 00:25:39,021
Speaker 8: no one has any idea what what record has required.

482
00:25:39,022 --> 00:25:41,421
Speaker 8: Particularly in the last few years, we've you know, as

483
00:25:41,422 --> 00:25:44,422
Speaker 8: business owmes, we've wear that a pandemic were we wear

484
00:25:44,422 --> 00:25:47,581
Speaker 8: the various work stoppages in the US, and it's really

485
00:25:47,621 --> 00:25:50,462
Speaker 8: stressful and it's you know, and also it's really hard

486
00:25:50,462 --> 00:25:54,021
Speaker 8: to create something from nothing. So easy for people now

487
00:25:54,581 --> 00:25:58,061
Speaker 8: oh everyone has you know, everyone can go and do

488
00:25:58,101 --> 00:26:00,061
Speaker 8: this thing, but it's really hard not just to build

489
00:26:00,061 --> 00:26:02,341
Speaker 8: a business, but to build a sustainable business and to

490
00:26:02,381 --> 00:26:04,821
Speaker 8: evolve a business. I mean, that's the thing about the

491
00:26:04,901 --> 00:26:06,861
Speaker 8: video component, Like you just have to keep evolving. You

492
00:26:06,901 --> 00:26:10,302
Speaker 8: have people, people who are finding things in different ways.

493
00:26:10,341 --> 00:26:13,381
Speaker 8: Even when we make TV shows, we have to do

494
00:26:13,422 --> 00:26:14,582
Speaker 8: everything we can for people to.

495
00:26:14,542 --> 00:26:16,662
Speaker 5: Watch them, whether that's the.

496
00:26:16,581 --> 00:26:22,101
Speaker 8: Premiere's evolved, you know, yes, so much, and you just

497
00:26:22,141 --> 00:26:24,661
Speaker 8: have to find a way because the you know, the

498
00:26:24,702 --> 00:26:26,902
Speaker 8: only thing that matters once you've actually you know, put

499
00:26:26,942 --> 00:26:29,581
Speaker 8: all your work into making something is like trying to

500
00:26:29,581 --> 00:26:30,461
Speaker 8: get people to watch it.

501
00:26:31,341 --> 00:26:34,741
Speaker 3: What I loved about the start of season two was

502
00:26:35,061 --> 00:26:39,222
Speaker 3: like the kickoff when you know, the executive producers all

503
00:26:39,222 --> 00:26:43,302
Speaker 3: sat down and talked about all the characters and where

504
00:26:43,982 --> 00:26:45,941
Speaker 3: what we who, we wanted to see more of, what

505
00:26:46,422 --> 00:26:48,781
Speaker 3: kind of things we wanted to explore for them, and

506
00:26:48,821 --> 00:26:51,742
Speaker 3: that was just such. I mean, the whole thing's been

507
00:26:51,861 --> 00:26:54,302
Speaker 3: just a gift for me in terms of watching people

508
00:26:54,341 --> 00:26:55,901
Speaker 3: at the top of their game. I've just been like

509
00:26:55,901 --> 00:26:57,182
Speaker 3: sitting there eating popcorn for.

510
00:26:57,101 --> 00:26:57,502
Speaker 4: Most of it.

511
00:26:57,821 --> 00:27:02,621
Speaker 3: But I loved the understanding that like Brunner and Asher

512
00:27:02,702 --> 00:27:05,982
Speaker 3: and the other executive producers, and particularly Sarah Scheller, who's

513
00:27:06,022 --> 00:27:07,462
Speaker 3: our executive producer.

514
00:27:08,661 --> 00:27:09,141
Speaker 4: Chief writerer.

515
00:27:09,742 --> 00:27:13,542
Speaker 3: She they all had spoke about the characters as if

516
00:27:13,542 --> 00:27:17,222
Speaker 3: they were real and the ideas they had for the explorations.

517
00:27:17,262 --> 00:27:19,661
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, it's like make believe. I loved it.

518
00:27:19,821 --> 00:27:24,661
Speaker 6: Yeah, And there's a protection I suppose, as you know,

519
00:27:24,742 --> 00:27:27,061
Speaker 6: someone who wrote on this, but also as a viewer

520
00:27:27,182 --> 00:27:30,022
Speaker 6: of Evelyn right because we know her, we know her context,

521
00:27:30,101 --> 00:27:32,782
Speaker 6: we know her family life, and in that way, I'm

522
00:27:32,782 --> 00:27:38,302
Speaker 6: interested Bruna too, getting to know this story more and exploring.

523
00:27:37,742 --> 00:27:38,621
Speaker 7: Her whole character.

524
00:27:39,302 --> 00:27:44,902
Speaker 6: If you see pylons, cancelation trolling, I mean there's been

525
00:27:45,542 --> 00:27:47,782
Speaker 6: cases just in the last week where you see people

526
00:27:47,782 --> 00:27:49,622
Speaker 6: and you go, oh, she's not having a good time

527
00:27:49,661 --> 00:27:54,621
Speaker 6: this week. Has being a part of this show changed

528
00:27:54,621 --> 00:27:55,302
Speaker 6: how you see that?

529
00:27:55,422 --> 00:27:57,381
Speaker 7: Have you thought about it more? Have you noticed it more? Oh?

530
00:27:57,422 --> 00:27:58,142
Speaker 5: Yeah, totally.

531
00:27:58,341 --> 00:28:02,222
Speaker 8: I mean, well I've just noticed it being in the world. Yeah,

532
00:28:02,222 --> 00:28:05,461
Speaker 8: anyone else. I mean, you know, it's kind of this

533
00:28:05,661 --> 00:28:08,542
Speaker 8: it's a crazy time. And I mean you asked ask

534
00:28:08,581 --> 00:28:10,901
Speaker 8: you that question before, but like I'm I have so

535
00:28:11,141 --> 00:28:14,862
Speaker 8: much kind of you know, empathy for people who put

536
00:28:14,901 --> 00:28:18,662
Speaker 8: themselves out there. And that's one of the things I think.

537
00:28:18,702 --> 00:28:21,141
Speaker 8: I just said this to me before because I'm starting

538
00:28:21,182 --> 00:28:23,581
Speaker 8: to kind of you know, do lots of content. Just

539
00:28:23,581 --> 00:28:25,982
Speaker 8: talk about the things I do more and talk about

540
00:28:25,982 --> 00:28:27,341
Speaker 8: things I'm interested in. And one of the things I

541
00:28:27,341 --> 00:28:30,302
Speaker 8: will never do is talk about things I don't like, Yes,

542
00:28:30,742 --> 00:28:33,742
Speaker 8: because I just think I know how much work goes

543
00:28:33,742 --> 00:28:35,701
Speaker 8: into something. I don't care if I didn't like it

544
00:28:35,821 --> 00:28:38,461
Speaker 8: or enjoy the experience of reading or watching something. For me,

545
00:28:38,582 --> 00:28:41,342
Speaker 8: I'll only talk about things that I love because I

546
00:28:41,382 --> 00:28:44,622
Speaker 8: do feel that. I just feel that the world needs

547
00:28:44,942 --> 00:28:47,902
Speaker 8: optimism right now. And I think, particularly in our business,

548
00:28:47,902 --> 00:28:49,862
Speaker 8: I don't know what message we're sending to young people

549
00:28:50,062 --> 00:28:51,662
Speaker 8: like we you know, we just felt like we could

550
00:28:51,702 --> 00:28:54,142
Speaker 8: do anything when we were younger, and I feel like

551
00:28:54,502 --> 00:28:57,181
Speaker 8: in our business it's already hard to access it and

552
00:28:57,222 --> 00:28:59,741
Speaker 8: to find a way in. And now the world's just

553
00:28:59,782 --> 00:29:02,342
Speaker 8: you know, the media is just like more companies, you know,

554
00:29:02,502 --> 00:29:04,942
Speaker 8: laying people off. You know, yes, is it getting harder

555
00:29:04,982 --> 00:29:06,822
Speaker 8: to make a TV show at one hundred percent, But

556
00:29:07,422 --> 00:29:08,981
Speaker 8: you know, is it going to evolve and a young

557
00:29:09,022 --> 00:29:10,782
Speaker 8: people a going to be able to rise one hundred percent?

558
00:29:10,902 --> 00:29:14,102
Speaker 8: So you know, I just feel like it is our

559
00:29:14,222 --> 00:29:16,862
Speaker 8: job to you know, kind of protect that in a way,

560
00:29:17,782 --> 00:29:21,142
Speaker 8: because yeah, it's so much easier, right clickbait to get

561
00:29:21,302 --> 00:29:24,741
Speaker 8: ahead like a headline and to cancel someone there, to

562
00:29:24,782 --> 00:29:25,582
Speaker 8: have a conversation.

563
00:29:25,822 --> 00:29:27,582
Speaker 7: It's so easy to write a ship review.

564
00:29:27,622 --> 00:29:30,142
Speaker 6: Yeh, it's so easy. I've got the same policy. I

565
00:29:30,142 --> 00:29:32,582
Speaker 6: will never say a book I didn't like television show.

566
00:29:32,622 --> 00:29:35,022
Speaker 6: I just think it's better just shut up. Yeah, lift

567
00:29:35,102 --> 00:29:37,382
Speaker 6: up where you love what you have, that's.

568
00:29:37,342 --> 00:29:40,582
Speaker 2: Right, Lift up what you love, what inspire, what's inspiring.

569
00:29:40,742 --> 00:29:43,342
Speaker 7: There's enough content like it's fine, leave the other stuff alone.

570
00:29:43,342 --> 00:29:44,062
Speaker 7: It's rough for you.

571
00:29:44,502 --> 00:29:47,701
Speaker 6: But me, I'm interested with the trolling element, which is

572
00:29:48,262 --> 00:29:50,462
Speaker 6: a big thing in season two, is that Evelyn has

573
00:29:50,502 --> 00:29:53,782
Speaker 6: her sort of own own troll. What's been your experience

574
00:29:53,822 --> 00:29:55,902
Speaker 6: of that and how it's evolved over the years.

575
00:29:55,942 --> 00:29:59,142
Speaker 7: Because you've had one troll, I'm sure you've had two. Yeah,

576
00:29:59,302 --> 00:30:00,222
Speaker 7: it's actually.

577
00:29:59,902 --> 00:30:02,701
Speaker 3: Got better for me personally, it's got better. I mean,

578
00:30:02,702 --> 00:30:04,942
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's somewhere that I can't see them.

579
00:30:05,142 --> 00:30:06,662
Speaker 5: But I've got a fake name.

580
00:30:10,702 --> 00:30:12,622
Speaker 3: I don't know how much of it is that I

581
00:30:12,782 --> 00:30:16,741
Speaker 3: give less fucks. And I don't read comments because I

582
00:30:16,742 --> 00:30:20,102
Speaker 3: mean sometimes I do, but I think that you learn

583
00:30:20,142 --> 00:30:22,382
Speaker 3: early on. You know, I've been working in digital media

584
00:30:22,422 --> 00:30:24,342
Speaker 3: for seventeen years, and it's not normal to know what

585
00:30:24,382 --> 00:30:26,542
Speaker 3: everyone thinks about you twenty four seven. It's just not

586
00:30:27,702 --> 00:30:29,701
Speaker 3: and it's not normal to be able to say what

587
00:30:29,742 --> 00:30:32,662
Speaker 3: you think about everything and for have those people read

588
00:30:32,702 --> 00:30:36,342
Speaker 3: it like we're not designed for that. And so I

589
00:30:36,422 --> 00:30:41,902
Speaker 3: always am very separate. I don't do anything for the response.

590
00:30:42,022 --> 00:30:43,782
Speaker 3: I do it because I think it's the right thing,

591
00:30:44,062 --> 00:30:45,822
Speaker 3: and then I back myself. It's not to say I'm

592
00:30:45,862 --> 00:30:51,382
Speaker 3: always right, but if I'm in a way disinterested from

593
00:30:51,702 --> 00:30:56,342
Speaker 3: if I write anything personal or disclose anything personal, not

594
00:30:56,382 --> 00:30:58,302
Speaker 3: really interested in what people think about it. I did

595
00:30:58,382 --> 00:30:59,981
Speaker 3: it because I thought it could help some people. It

596
00:30:59,982 --> 00:31:04,181
Speaker 3: helped me process it. That's why I put it out there. Yeah,

597
00:31:04,262 --> 00:31:07,302
Speaker 3: so you know, you listen, but you don't listen too hard,

598
00:31:07,342 --> 00:31:08,222
Speaker 3: if that makes sense.

599
00:31:08,822 --> 00:31:10,422
Speaker 7: Asha. Do you read reviews?

600
00:31:11,422 --> 00:31:15,302
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yes, I send you to ones.

601
00:31:16,862 --> 00:31:22,862
Speaker 1: I read the good ones. Yeah, yeah, I do. Yeah,

602
00:31:22,982 --> 00:31:25,542
Speaker 1: I mean I miss quite a lot of press. I

603
00:31:25,582 --> 00:31:26,062
Speaker 1: have to say.

604
00:31:26,902 --> 00:31:29,062
Speaker 2: You know, there was a whole bunch of articles that

605
00:31:29,102 --> 00:31:32,622
Speaker 2: were sent to us yesterday collectively, and I looked, I

606
00:31:32,661 --> 00:31:35,342
Speaker 2: scanned all of them, went oh, I didn't know that that,

607
00:31:35,462 --> 00:31:37,262
Speaker 2: and I didn't know about this, and all right, I

608
00:31:37,262 --> 00:31:40,062
Speaker 2: was so and so's done that. And I read a

609
00:31:40,102 --> 00:31:43,542
Speaker 2: few reviews in there, and yeah I do. I mean,

610
00:31:43,582 --> 00:31:47,222
Speaker 2: I've just I don't mind what people think. I really don't.

611
00:31:47,822 --> 00:31:50,982
Speaker 6: I've never read a scathing The only thing.

612
00:31:50,822 --> 00:31:53,582
Speaker 2: That ever impacted me was when I was starting out

613
00:31:53,582 --> 00:31:54,502
Speaker 2: in the theater at.

614
00:31:54,382 --> 00:31:55,342
Speaker 1: The MTC.

615
00:31:56,702 --> 00:31:59,501
Speaker 2: And I had a whole it was sort of like

616
00:31:59,542 --> 00:32:01,462
Speaker 2: the third or fourth play I've ever done, right, And

617
00:32:01,622 --> 00:32:03,902
Speaker 2: I mean I had ten solid years in the theater there,

618
00:32:04,542 --> 00:32:08,022
Speaker 2: and I had all these fantastic reviews and the show

619
00:32:08,262 --> 00:32:11,102
Speaker 2: was being well accepted, well received, and then there was

620
00:32:11,182 --> 00:32:16,582
Speaker 2: one review that said, look, it was the smallest criticism

621
00:32:16,822 --> 00:32:20,342
Speaker 2: about one scene that I performed in the entire play,

622
00:32:20,782 --> 00:32:23,902
Speaker 2: and it really got me, and it really hurt and

623
00:32:23,982 --> 00:32:26,502
Speaker 2: I couldn't understand, and I let it impact on me.

624
00:32:26,702 --> 00:32:30,102
Speaker 2: I let it affect me and actually how I approached

625
00:32:30,102 --> 00:32:33,981
Speaker 2: the performance. Wow, So that's scary with theater because you've

626
00:32:33,982 --> 00:32:35,382
Speaker 2: got to go out there the next night and do it.

627
00:32:35,422 --> 00:32:36,421
Speaker 1: You haven't just delivered it.

628
00:32:36,462 --> 00:32:37,981
Speaker 7: Why do you think that impacted you?

629
00:32:38,661 --> 00:32:40,902
Speaker 2: I think because I was really young, to be honest,

630
00:32:40,942 --> 00:32:46,862
Speaker 2: and I still hadn't I still hadn't found my center

631
00:32:47,142 --> 00:32:49,661
Speaker 2: in any way as an actor or as a woman,

632
00:32:49,822 --> 00:32:52,302
Speaker 2: or you know. I was twenty four, twenty three, twenty four.

633
00:32:53,262 --> 00:32:56,902
Speaker 2: But since that I did realize, though, through the course

634
00:32:56,942 --> 00:32:59,981
Speaker 2: of the running of that play and performing it, that

635
00:33:00,102 --> 00:33:03,022
Speaker 2: is that is a complete and utter waste of my time.

636
00:33:03,102 --> 00:33:05,142
Speaker 2: And I'm not going to do that moving forward. And

637
00:33:05,142 --> 00:33:07,582
Speaker 2: I've never done it. I've never done it since because

638
00:33:07,622 --> 00:33:10,502
Speaker 2: it really hurt me. Someone else is opinion. I don't

639
00:33:10,502 --> 00:33:12,542
Speaker 2: know who that person was. I can't remember their name now,

640
00:33:13,262 --> 00:33:17,302
Speaker 2: but it was one person. Don't do if that's how

641
00:33:17,302 --> 00:33:19,702
Speaker 2: you're going to feel, don't do that, Don't do this.

642
00:33:20,022 --> 00:33:20,742
Speaker 1: Don't choose to.

643
00:33:20,702 --> 00:33:22,342
Speaker 3: Do it because acting is about a lot of rejection.

644
00:33:22,822 --> 00:33:26,182
Speaker 4: Any creative you have is right, Yeah, you get rejected.

645
00:33:26,902 --> 00:33:27,702
Speaker 5: I get rejected.

646
00:33:27,862 --> 00:33:29,982
Speaker 8: I got rejected a lot when we knew each other

647
00:33:29,982 --> 00:33:31,302
Speaker 8: in my twenties getting it.

648
00:33:31,622 --> 00:33:32,742
Speaker 5: I never got rejected.

649
00:33:32,742 --> 00:33:39,062
Speaker 8: Then no reviews, it's got great reviews. Yeah, that's for

650
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Speaker 8: another whole podcast on its own. No review thing is

651
00:33:43,182 --> 00:33:46,622
Speaker 8: really interesting, and I think because I of course you

652
00:33:46,622 --> 00:33:49,582
Speaker 8: want good reviews, right, but I have seen so many

653
00:33:49,622 --> 00:33:52,142
Speaker 8: times with my own work, the stuff that has really

654
00:33:52,222 --> 00:33:55,502
Speaker 8: worked for me commercially is not always the stuff that

655
00:33:55,542 --> 00:33:58,302
Speaker 8: the critics have embraced, because I think sometimes people feel

656
00:33:58,302 --> 00:34:00,062
Speaker 8: that something's super commercial.

657
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Speaker 4: Well that's possibly.

658
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Speaker 5: And also, don't forget.

659
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Speaker 8: The metrics are still that like most reviewers are older

660
00:34:05,302 --> 00:34:10,701
Speaker 8: white men. It is awful because you know they are

661
00:34:10,782 --> 00:34:14,262
Speaker 8: not necessarily the audience for what we're all doing that

662
00:34:14,422 --> 00:34:17,261
Speaker 8: necessarily and they will that they're personal, like somebody. That's

663
00:34:17,262 --> 00:34:18,542
Speaker 8: the only thing that annoys me when I read a

664
00:34:18,582 --> 00:34:20,982
Speaker 8: review When it's you can really feel like it's an

665
00:34:20,982 --> 00:34:23,422
Speaker 8: attack and you're like, come on, you can have this,

666
00:34:23,661 --> 00:34:24,781
Speaker 8: you can have an opinion.

667
00:34:24,422 --> 00:34:27,221
Speaker 6: You can So does that sting if you feel like

668
00:34:27,302 --> 00:34:29,782
Speaker 6: it has gone into like they've played the person.

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Speaker 8: Rather than yeah, it stings, but in a way that

670
00:34:31,422 --> 00:34:34,102
Speaker 8: I'm like, I kind of like, don't. I mean, I also,

671
00:34:34,181 --> 00:34:36,981
Speaker 8: I've been doing it long enough that I just don't

672
00:34:37,022 --> 00:34:39,462
Speaker 8: think you can. You know, you can't worry about it.

673
00:34:39,502 --> 00:34:41,862
Speaker 8: I pay more attention to how many people are watching

674
00:34:41,982 --> 00:34:43,861
Speaker 8: and the women that come up to us, all the

675
00:34:43,902 --> 00:34:46,022
Speaker 8: men that come up to us after they've seen the show.

676
00:34:46,221 --> 00:34:48,461
Speaker 8: The best review you will ever again is when someone

677
00:34:48,462 --> 00:34:49,781
Speaker 8: comes up to you in the street and that's, oh

678
00:34:49,862 --> 00:34:51,261
Speaker 8: my god. I'd like I had a girl come up

679
00:34:51,261 --> 00:34:53,102
Speaker 8: to meet a party reason because my god, I just

680
00:34:53,142 --> 00:34:54,781
Speaker 8: love it. You know, I love so much what you

681
00:34:54,862 --> 00:34:56,622
Speaker 8: do and it just meant so much to me, this

682
00:34:56,741 --> 00:34:59,221
Speaker 8: young woman, because I was like, well, that's my that's

683
00:34:59,261 --> 00:35:01,902
Speaker 8: my audience. But I will say because I was in

684
00:35:02,102 --> 00:35:04,981
Speaker 8: LA recently and Faye just came out in the UK,

685
00:35:05,462 --> 00:35:08,342
Speaker 8: and I'm such a super fan of like Asher and

686
00:35:08,382 --> 00:35:10,622
Speaker 8: Image and that, I was like email. I was like

687
00:35:10,661 --> 00:35:12,462
Speaker 8: trying to just collect all the good ones because I

688
00:35:12,462 --> 00:35:14,102
Speaker 8: was like, oh my god, I wanted seeing this and

689
00:35:14,142 --> 00:35:15,142
Speaker 8: I was so excited.

690
00:35:15,142 --> 00:35:15,941
Speaker 5: And that's what I mean.

691
00:35:16,022 --> 00:35:18,741
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, do I wish to produce that show?

692
00:35:18,822 --> 00:35:19,062
Speaker 5: Sure?

693
00:35:19,502 --> 00:35:22,582
Speaker 8: They asked me no, they did not. Am I working

694
00:35:22,622 --> 00:35:25,741
Speaker 8: with them both on something else? Yes, yes, you know,

695
00:35:25,942 --> 00:35:28,861
Speaker 8: because but I just you know, that's that's where I'm

696
00:35:28,862 --> 00:35:30,942
Speaker 8: not competitive, but I do have professional jealousy.

697
00:35:30,982 --> 00:35:31,462
Speaker 4: That's okay.

698
00:35:31,502 --> 00:35:31,942
Speaker 1: That's helped me.

699
00:35:32,022 --> 00:35:34,062
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're very happy for the people I love.

700
00:35:34,142 --> 00:35:36,381
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but it doesn't stop you from putting it out

701
00:35:36,462 --> 00:35:39,142
Speaker 2: there all over social media and saying, look what my

702
00:35:39,181 --> 00:35:39,741
Speaker 2: friends did.

703
00:35:39,781 --> 00:35:42,542
Speaker 1: I'm so proud. Like you are the best in that way.

704
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Speaker 7: If you want good recommendations, follow Brune on Instagram.

705
00:35:45,062 --> 00:35:46,381
Speaker 4: Shit, yeah, very very good.

706
00:35:46,582 --> 00:35:48,301
Speaker 8: Can I just say something about just you made me

707
00:35:48,302 --> 00:35:51,181
Speaker 8: think of something before, about putting your opinions out there.

708
00:35:51,302 --> 00:35:54,502
Speaker 5: One of the reasons that I love out Loud.

709
00:35:54,302 --> 00:35:58,022
Speaker 8: So much is because you're all you'll have quite different opinions,

710
00:35:58,462 --> 00:36:01,542
Speaker 8: and like, I love the conversation, and I've found myself

711
00:36:01,582 --> 00:36:03,181
Speaker 8: in the car so many times. It's so new to

712
00:36:03,221 --> 00:36:05,422
Speaker 8: me where I'm like, I wanted to call Jesse up

713
00:36:05,462 --> 00:36:06,982
Speaker 8: there and goes, oh my god, you were so right.

714
00:36:07,062 --> 00:36:07,862
Speaker 5: I hate.

715
00:36:09,261 --> 00:36:13,622
Speaker 4: That when you message yeah, and then the other ones.

716
00:36:13,542 --> 00:36:17,542
Speaker 8: Are I'm like, Jesse, you don't understand you understanding that

717
00:36:17,582 --> 00:36:19,381
Speaker 8: all the time. Yeah I was right about that, But

718
00:36:19,542 --> 00:36:24,142
Speaker 8: it's an amazing forum that you created because it because

719
00:36:24,261 --> 00:36:26,062
Speaker 8: because you were putting your opinions out there, but because

720
00:36:26,062 --> 00:36:29,741
Speaker 8: it's in context and in conversation. I think it's like,

721
00:36:29,942 --> 00:36:31,261
Speaker 8: it's kind of an amazing way to.

722
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Speaker 3: Here, and it's very different to writing an opinion story,

723
00:36:33,741 --> 00:36:37,102
Speaker 3: which Jesse and I don't do anymore. We've spent a

724
00:36:37,142 --> 00:36:39,462
Speaker 3: lot of years like everybody else who was working in

725
00:36:39,462 --> 00:36:41,982
Speaker 3: women's media online, which which is so much of what

726
00:36:42,062 --> 00:36:44,942
Speaker 3: Season two talks about putting yourself out there. You know,

727
00:36:45,022 --> 00:36:50,021
Speaker 3: they those years around the mid twenty teens were when

728
00:36:50,382 --> 00:36:52,221
Speaker 3: you had to have strong opinions, and you had to

729
00:36:52,221 --> 00:36:56,302
Speaker 3: have them fast, and you had to do personal essays

730
00:36:56,342 --> 00:36:58,742
Speaker 3: about things that are really intimate, things that have happened

731
00:36:58,781 --> 00:37:02,542
Speaker 3: to you. And that was what the internet demanded at

732
00:37:02,582 --> 00:37:05,701
Speaker 3: the time, and we certainly published a lot of that,

733
00:37:06,062 --> 00:37:08,661
Speaker 3: and we would. I think that's part of why we're

734
00:37:08,661 --> 00:37:12,861
Speaker 3: more boundary now. It's not that time anymore, and a

735
00:37:12,902 --> 00:37:15,982
Speaker 3: lot of us got really really burnt, and we explore that.

736
00:37:15,902 --> 00:37:18,941
Speaker 2: And there's it's dangerous, which we explore in the season two.

737
00:37:19,741 --> 00:37:22,062
Speaker 1: It can be become extremely.

738
00:37:21,622 --> 00:37:25,021
Speaker 3: Dangerous good for the person who's who's putting it out there.

739
00:37:25,221 --> 00:37:29,702
Speaker 3: Podcasts are different, but writing that stuff, we all learnt

740
00:37:30,542 --> 00:37:32,502
Speaker 3: by trial and error what it could do.

741
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Speaker 6: I wanted to ask you Brunner about because this series

742
00:37:35,781 --> 00:37:38,981
Speaker 6: is also a lot about ambition, as was season one,

743
00:37:39,261 --> 00:37:42,221
Speaker 6: and as someone who has lived and worked in the

744
00:37:42,302 --> 00:37:45,422
Speaker 6: US and in Australia, people talk about tall poppy syndrome.

745
00:37:45,982 --> 00:37:48,902
Speaker 6: Is ambition different in Australia? Is it something that do

746
00:37:49,022 --> 00:37:51,062
Speaker 6: the Evelyn Jones Is get punished in Australia in a

747
00:37:51,062 --> 00:37:52,142
Speaker 6: way they wouldn't in America.

748
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Speaker 8: I mean, I've noticed it having been gone twenty years,

749
00:37:56,302 --> 00:37:59,341
Speaker 8: and there is definitely a tall poppy.

750
00:37:59,102 --> 00:37:59,821
Speaker 5: Is a real thing.

751
00:38:01,022 --> 00:38:03,181
Speaker 8: I even found when I came back it was like

752
00:38:03,382 --> 00:38:09,862
Speaker 8: writeing COVID and it was Gladys and Anastasia where the.

753
00:38:08,382 --> 00:38:09,342
Speaker 4: Premier the prayers.

754
00:38:09,622 --> 00:38:11,542
Speaker 5: I'm like, what is the word premires?

755
00:38:12,062 --> 00:38:14,821
Speaker 8: And I even found like watching like the media, the

756
00:38:14,862 --> 00:38:17,341
Speaker 8: way they pitted them against each other, I was like,

757
00:38:17,382 --> 00:38:18,901
Speaker 8: what is this place like?

758
00:38:19,902 --> 00:38:21,102
Speaker 5: And it was just interesting.

759
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Speaker 8: And I do find that ambition is not a dirty

760
00:38:23,942 --> 00:38:26,022
Speaker 8: word in America. I think that's one of the reasons

761
00:38:26,022 --> 00:38:28,182
Speaker 8: I really always wanted to go live in America.

762
00:38:28,382 --> 00:38:30,781
Speaker 5: Is because they don't care. They don't really care where

763
00:38:30,822 --> 00:38:31,341
Speaker 5: you came from.

764
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Speaker 8: Or you've done, like if you work hard and you

765
00:38:34,181 --> 00:38:35,981
Speaker 8: know you're kind of good at what you do, they

766
00:38:36,022 --> 00:38:39,902
Speaker 8: will let you rise, you know. And I think that,

767
00:38:40,502 --> 00:38:42,782
Speaker 8: you know, having kind of grown up in that system

768
00:38:43,062 --> 00:38:45,822
Speaker 8: and then come back here, I'm definitely much more reticent

769
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Speaker 8: to you know, put myself out there here and say,

770
00:38:49,942 --> 00:38:51,861
Speaker 8: you know, it.

771
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Speaker 5: Is different here.

772
00:38:52,542 --> 00:38:55,301
Speaker 8: I think, yes, Australia, because I think people I just

773
00:38:55,302 --> 00:38:57,942
Speaker 8: feel like someone's going to, you know, it's weird, it

774
00:38:57,982 --> 00:38:59,181
Speaker 8: is people are going to.

775
00:38:59,582 --> 00:39:05,622
Speaker 2: Occasionally in an interview I get asked about this, and

776
00:39:05,661 --> 00:39:07,342
Speaker 2: I always find it mildly insulting.

777
00:39:07,422 --> 00:39:09,102
Speaker 1: I from being really honest.

778
00:39:09,862 --> 00:39:12,862
Speaker 2: Why didn't you go and try your luck in Hollywood?

779
00:39:13,781 --> 00:39:16,861
Speaker 2: Why haven't you gone and worked overseas? Why didn't you

780
00:39:16,902 --> 00:39:19,701
Speaker 2: do that? Why didn't you take the opportunities if you

781
00:39:19,822 --> 00:39:24,062
Speaker 2: offered them? Well, because I have had an incredible path

782
00:39:24,142 --> 00:39:27,661
Speaker 2: here in my own country. Every project I've worked on,

783
00:39:28,181 --> 00:39:31,221
Speaker 2: I've believed in and I've really wanted to make. I

784
00:39:31,261 --> 00:39:35,781
Speaker 2: mean that's rare, you know for an actor I've had.

785
00:39:36,261 --> 00:39:38,861
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be too much to ask for to be

786
00:39:38,982 --> 00:39:39,701
Speaker 1: acknowledged for.

787
00:39:39,701 --> 00:39:43,021
Speaker 2: That success, the successful light I've life I've built here

788
00:39:43,261 --> 00:39:49,622
Speaker 2: as in my industry, as opposed to questioning why I

789
00:39:49,661 --> 00:39:51,941
Speaker 2: didn't do it on an international scale. I mean, are

790
00:39:51,942 --> 00:39:55,701
Speaker 2: you disappointed it's somehow disappointed or something. I find it

791
00:39:55,701 --> 00:39:59,301
Speaker 2: an interesting question. I understand the curiosity. I mean the

792
00:39:59,342 --> 00:40:01,741
Speaker 2: great answer to it now is, look, the streaming services

793
00:40:01,741 --> 00:40:04,301
Speaker 2: have changed everything and our work does now push out

794
00:40:04,342 --> 00:40:07,781
Speaker 2: internationally fabulous. It's so great. So we can be in

795
00:40:07,822 --> 00:40:11,382
Speaker 2: this incredible country and work. You know, but it's an

796
00:40:11,422 --> 00:40:14,861
Speaker 2: interesting question to try and answer without feeling not good enough.

797
00:40:15,701 --> 00:40:16,142
Speaker 1: I don't know.

798
00:40:16,382 --> 00:40:18,102
Speaker 4: Was there ever a moment where it's like I've got

799
00:40:18,142 --> 00:40:19,982
Speaker 4: to make a decision. Do I go? Do I stay?

800
00:40:20,542 --> 00:40:23,142
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I think I've spoken to you to you

801
00:40:23,181 --> 00:40:23,582
Speaker 1: about it.

802
00:40:24,582 --> 00:40:26,102
Speaker 4: I probably was one of the ones that asked.

803
00:40:25,902 --> 00:40:28,982
Speaker 2: That you didn't well, I don't know. Just it's a

804
00:40:29,342 --> 00:40:31,062
Speaker 2: it's a all question. It's a question that just gets

805
00:40:31,102 --> 00:40:33,382
Speaker 2: asked all the time. It just you just sparked that

806
00:40:33,582 --> 00:40:34,222
Speaker 2: thought then.

807
00:40:34,261 --> 00:40:36,701
Speaker 6: And there is an inherent there was a disrespect about

808
00:40:36,741 --> 00:40:38,782
Speaker 6: actually what Australia means.

809
00:40:38,622 --> 00:40:39,782
Speaker 7: It's devaluing.

810
00:40:40,382 --> 00:40:42,301
Speaker 2: I just don't want it to devalue the work that

811
00:40:42,342 --> 00:40:44,261
Speaker 2: we make here because I think the work we make

812
00:40:44,302 --> 00:40:46,221
Speaker 2: here is great, and I think the work that the

813
00:40:46,741 --> 00:40:50,542
Speaker 2: productions I've been involved with here are memorable, people still

814
00:40:50,622 --> 00:40:51,981
Speaker 2: talk about them twenty years later.

815
00:40:52,062 --> 00:40:53,302
Speaker 1: Love my wife is an example.

816
00:40:54,661 --> 00:40:57,701
Speaker 2: Can we not talk about appreciating the stuff that we

817
00:40:57,781 --> 00:41:00,701
Speaker 2: have made? Yeah, anyway, it's an interesting thing and that

818
00:41:00,781 --> 00:41:02,462
Speaker 2: sounds maybe I've got a bit of a chip on

819
00:41:02,462 --> 00:41:05,941
Speaker 2: my shoulder about that topic. But again, you know, there

820
00:41:06,022 --> 00:41:09,222
Speaker 2: was a moment where, yes, there was a clear choice.

821
00:41:09,261 --> 00:41:12,102
Speaker 2: I was on a plane to New York pretty quickly

822
00:41:12,142 --> 00:41:17,542
Speaker 2: after Offspring and very excited. I was very much alone.

823
00:41:17,781 --> 00:41:21,341
Speaker 2: I had no responsibilities. I was going to go and

824
00:41:21,382 --> 00:41:24,661
Speaker 2: live overseas, but just to see what it felt like.

825
00:41:25,062 --> 00:41:26,821
Speaker 2: And I had some connections over there. I got an

826
00:41:26,862 --> 00:41:29,542
Speaker 2: agent or whatever, and then I met Vincent and Luca

827
00:41:30,181 --> 00:41:33,462
Speaker 2: and the choice was very clear to me to stay.

828
00:41:33,542 --> 00:41:35,382
Speaker 1: And within literally.

829
00:41:34,942 --> 00:41:39,181
Speaker 2: Within a month, I was offered another incredible show here

830
00:41:39,701 --> 00:41:41,861
Speaker 2: to do, and I thought, Okay, well that's just what

831
00:41:41,862 --> 00:41:42,342
Speaker 2: I'm doing.

832
00:41:42,502 --> 00:41:46,741
Speaker 1: I mean, that's life, isn't it. Those parts.

833
00:41:50,622 --> 00:41:53,582
Speaker 6: There is more to my conversation with the team behind

834
00:41:53,622 --> 00:41:57,462
Speaker 6: Strife after this shortbreak we talk about the balls they

835
00:41:57,502 --> 00:41:59,102
Speaker 6: feel they are currently dropping.

836
00:42:07,261 --> 00:42:07,941
Speaker 1: I wanted to.

837
00:42:07,942 --> 00:42:11,702
Speaker 6: Ask sort of a your relationship as well, Brunna and Asher,

838
00:42:11,862 --> 00:42:13,982
Speaker 6: because you've this is not the first project you've worked on.

839
00:42:14,062 --> 00:42:15,901
Speaker 7: I don't think it'll be the last lessons but being

840
00:42:15,902 --> 00:42:16,422
Speaker 7: some kind.

841
00:42:16,261 --> 00:42:20,942
Speaker 8: Of few no falling out here, there's been an age

842
00:42:20,942 --> 00:42:23,701
Speaker 8: of you.

843
00:42:27,261 --> 00:42:29,701
Speaker 6: What I want to know is Asher, why do you

844
00:42:29,741 --> 00:42:32,861
Speaker 6: like working with Bruna? What is about Bruno?

845
00:42:32,261 --> 00:42:37,462
Speaker 1: Well, I know it's hard just the other way.

846
00:42:38,502 --> 00:42:40,181
Speaker 2: No, it's easy to talk about in front of her

847
00:42:40,181 --> 00:42:41,781
Speaker 2: because she knows that I feel like this.

848
00:42:42,661 --> 00:42:45,701
Speaker 1: We just taxt you know, I love you. I love

849
00:42:45,701 --> 00:42:46,342
Speaker 1: you more.

850
00:42:46,382 --> 00:42:50,341
Speaker 2: Yesterday from different countries because we came to that.

851
00:42:50,261 --> 00:42:52,342
Speaker 3: Too, I guess because there was a photo of me

852
00:42:52,382 --> 00:42:54,742
Speaker 3: and Asha together and I just brought up with Bruno

853
00:42:54,822 --> 00:42:56,342
Speaker 3: being I love you.

854
00:42:56,102 --> 00:42:58,542
Speaker 2: Because we can be like that with each other now,

855
00:42:58,582 --> 00:43:00,462
Speaker 2: because do you know what that is? That is trust?

856
00:43:01,102 --> 00:43:04,982
Speaker 2: So my favorite thing about Bruna is that really and

857
00:43:05,022 --> 00:43:09,301
Speaker 2: truly heart is on sleeve and she wants to say

858
00:43:09,302 --> 00:43:12,142
Speaker 2: something to She's going to say it right to anyone, don't.

859
00:43:11,942 --> 00:43:14,461
Speaker 1: Matter who you are, but if you're her.

860
00:43:16,102 --> 00:43:21,341
Speaker 2: Professional partner and friend, the level of trust that you

861
00:43:21,542 --> 00:43:23,942
Speaker 2: ask for and the investment that you ask for, I

862
00:43:23,942 --> 00:43:25,622
Speaker 2: think this is what I like the most because I

863
00:43:25,661 --> 00:43:28,461
Speaker 2: really understand it and I need it too. The level

864
00:43:28,462 --> 00:43:31,702
Speaker 2: of investment that you ask for the commitment. The rigor

865
00:43:33,622 --> 00:43:39,142
Speaker 2: is it's really straight. That's what I want. That's the

866
00:43:39,142 --> 00:43:41,221
Speaker 2: way Bruna likes to work. That's the way I like

867
00:43:41,261 --> 00:43:43,502
Speaker 2: to work too. So this is like a match made

868
00:43:43,542 --> 00:43:46,022
Speaker 2: in heaven. Really, we just go. We just meet each

869
00:43:46,062 --> 00:43:50,301
Speaker 2: other and it's easy, and we know we do generally

870
00:43:50,942 --> 00:43:54,222
Speaker 2: align as well, like our opinion, our taste in drama

871
00:43:54,382 --> 00:44:00,741
Speaker 2: and people and themes very similar. Then Steve steps in

872
00:44:00,741 --> 00:44:03,341
Speaker 2: the middle and goes middle of us and I don't know,

873
00:44:03,382 --> 00:44:04,142
Speaker 2: But how about.

874
00:44:03,902 --> 00:44:08,022
Speaker 1: This, we've shut up the No, we don't. He's got

875
00:44:08,062 --> 00:44:09,142
Speaker 1: an amazing opinion too.

876
00:44:10,302 --> 00:44:11,942
Speaker 7: How about you, Bruno, why do you love working with

877
00:44:11,942 --> 00:44:12,421
Speaker 7: ashen Stein?

878
00:44:12,542 --> 00:44:14,862
Speaker 5: I don't. This is the last time. No, I'm kidding.

879
00:44:15,382 --> 00:44:18,301
Speaker 8: I mean, obviously we met, you know on the first

880
00:44:18,302 --> 00:44:20,582
Speaker 8: time we worked together was Nine Perfect Strangers. I was

881
00:44:20,622 --> 00:44:23,382
Speaker 8: a diehard Offspring fan, like was the only show Stephen

882
00:44:23,422 --> 00:44:26,301
Speaker 8: I watched together, and I was probably getting it, Like

883
00:44:26,342 --> 00:44:27,862
Speaker 8: I should never say this out loud, I'm going to

884
00:44:27,862 --> 00:44:29,701
Speaker 8: say publicly, like I think my mother was sending it

885
00:44:29,741 --> 00:44:31,542
Speaker 8: to me because I couldn't get it in America at

886
00:44:31,542 --> 00:44:32,301
Speaker 8: that time, and I.

887
00:44:32,261 --> 00:44:34,622
Speaker 5: Was like, You've got to send me Offspring. So I

888
00:44:34,661 --> 00:44:35,861
Speaker 5: was such a die hard fan.

889
00:44:36,102 --> 00:44:38,982
Speaker 8: And then when we came to casting that major role

890
00:44:39,022 --> 00:44:41,421
Speaker 8: in nine Perfect, Nicole also was a die hard fan,

891
00:44:41,902 --> 00:44:44,221
Speaker 8: so that was like that That's where the kind of

892
00:44:44,422 --> 00:44:47,782
Speaker 8: you know, that first time working together was so special

893
00:44:47,781 --> 00:44:50,941
Speaker 8: also because it was during COVID and you know, playing

894
00:44:50,982 --> 00:44:53,622
Speaker 8: this astounding role. And then I mean, I am a

895
00:44:53,661 --> 00:44:57,421
Speaker 8: person who if I love working with someone, I will

896
00:44:57,502 --> 00:44:59,062
Speaker 8: do it over and over again.

897
00:44:59,342 --> 00:45:00,782
Speaker 7: You have favorite Yeah.

898
00:45:00,582 --> 00:45:03,661
Speaker 5: I do have particular favorites, but what I love is

899
00:45:04,022 --> 00:45:04,261
Speaker 5: you know.

900
00:45:04,902 --> 00:45:08,502
Speaker 8: And then obviously Lost Flowers happened, and Asher also had

901
00:45:08,542 --> 00:45:10,741
Speaker 8: previous relationship with Glenn then, so you know, there was

902
00:45:10,741 --> 00:45:13,741
Speaker 8: this that was kind of an amazing experience. But I

903
00:45:13,822 --> 00:45:16,062
Speaker 8: remember strife and I was like, oh, she going to

904
00:45:16,142 --> 00:45:17,741
Speaker 8: want to do something it's more comedic, and I was

905
00:45:17,781 --> 00:45:18,701
Speaker 8: kind of reticent.

906
00:45:18,422 --> 00:45:20,661
Speaker 5: To bring it up. And then she's like, well, you know,

907
00:45:20,701 --> 00:45:22,222
Speaker 5: I remember like being on set.

908
00:45:22,022 --> 00:45:23,542
Speaker 8: With you, and You're like, yeah, of course, like of

909
00:45:23,582 --> 00:45:25,062
Speaker 8: course I'll read it, Like why wouldn't I read it?

910
00:45:25,062 --> 00:45:28,422
Speaker 8: And like I was like kind of overjoyed. But I

911
00:45:28,462 --> 00:45:31,582
Speaker 8: feel the same way. I mean number one, and add

912
00:45:31,661 --> 00:45:34,861
Speaker 8: Sarah Scheller to this mix because she is we are

913
00:45:34,902 --> 00:45:37,622
Speaker 8: all very so I'm probably the oldest, but like you know,

914
00:45:37,701 --> 00:45:38,942
Speaker 8: I am the oldest.

915
00:45:38,582 --> 00:45:41,062
Speaker 5: But we're in the same We're in the.

916
00:45:41,062 --> 00:45:44,982
Speaker 8: Same kind of age bracket as a mayor, and it

917
00:45:45,102 --> 00:45:47,341
Speaker 8: is such a it's so great when everyone's having the

918
00:45:47,342 --> 00:45:48,142
Speaker 8: same conversation.

919
00:45:48,582 --> 00:45:49,702
Speaker 5: But I will tell.

920
00:45:49,582 --> 00:45:53,301
Speaker 8: You, you know, I worked with many actors producing, and I've

921
00:45:53,342 --> 00:45:55,022
Speaker 8: been really lucky that I've had a lot of repeat

922
00:45:55,022 --> 00:45:57,661
Speaker 8: relationships with actors who are in something producing. But no

923
00:45:57,701 --> 00:46:01,421
Speaker 8: one works harder than Ash as a producer and as

924
00:46:01,462 --> 00:46:04,302
Speaker 8: an actor. No one is more prepared, no one cares

925
00:46:04,342 --> 00:46:07,701
Speaker 8: more like I mean, she's like win an edit, You're

926
00:46:07,741 --> 00:46:11,582
Speaker 8: like she I mean, I would be struggling to remember

927
00:46:11,582 --> 00:46:14,382
Speaker 8: the footage, like, oh my god, maybe we should use

928
00:46:14,422 --> 00:46:14,741
Speaker 8: that shot.

929
00:46:14,942 --> 00:46:15,542
Speaker 5: But I'm not.

930
00:46:15,661 --> 00:46:18,622
Speaker 8: I'm good on big picture, but on specifics. This one

931
00:46:18,982 --> 00:46:21,822
Speaker 8: knows every single frame of every shot.

932
00:46:22,982 --> 00:46:23,181
Speaker 5: You know.

933
00:46:23,302 --> 00:46:25,382
Speaker 8: She has instincts about how something should sound, how some

934
00:46:25,542 --> 00:46:26,221
Speaker 8: should feel.

935
00:46:26,382 --> 00:46:28,902
Speaker 5: You know. She wants to support and bring up other people.

936
00:46:28,982 --> 00:46:30,981
Speaker 8: So she's an amazing producer, which is why we're doing

937
00:46:31,022 --> 00:46:33,741
Speaker 8: lots more of it, because even beyond and that's why

938
00:46:33,781 --> 00:46:35,741
Speaker 8: I was so happy when I saw Fake honestly and

939
00:46:35,781 --> 00:46:39,582
Speaker 8: a little bit jealous, because is a really good producer,

940
00:46:40,822 --> 00:46:41,781
Speaker 8: because it just you.

941
00:46:41,741 --> 00:46:43,102
Speaker 5: Could see a much love and care.

942
00:46:43,181 --> 00:46:45,461
Speaker 8: I don't think that's what people underestimate a lot of

943
00:46:45,542 --> 00:46:49,301
Speaker 8: every there's thousands and thousands of tiny decisions.

944
00:46:48,781 --> 00:46:51,142
Speaker 1: That got moment by moment by moments.

945
00:46:52,102 --> 00:46:54,341
Speaker 5: To me, it would sit on these calls and be like, I.

946
00:46:54,342 --> 00:46:58,742
Speaker 1: Just want to call you out, literally, guys.

947
00:47:00,302 --> 00:47:04,181
Speaker 7: I just on these calls.

948
00:47:04,622 --> 00:47:08,181
Speaker 4: I muted myself because they go on like, but this

949
00:47:08,382 --> 00:47:09,022
Speaker 4: is what's.

950
00:47:08,781 --> 00:47:11,821
Speaker 3: So amazing is that you guys just don't you like

951
00:47:11,982 --> 00:47:16,261
Speaker 3: your level of attention to detail and endurance. Like I'll

952
00:47:16,261 --> 00:47:18,022
Speaker 3: watch it the first time and I'll go, that was

953
00:47:18,062 --> 00:47:19,661
Speaker 3: it good, and I've got a couple of notes, But then.

954
00:47:19,622 --> 00:47:21,342
Speaker 4: You have to watch it like twenty more times.

955
00:47:21,781 --> 00:47:23,701
Speaker 3: And so then there'd be these long zooms and this

956
00:47:23,822 --> 00:47:26,221
Speaker 3: one zoom we were on and there were all these

957
00:47:26,221 --> 00:47:28,781
Speaker 3: people's and I just was like doing something else, and

958
00:47:28,781 --> 00:47:32,861
Speaker 3: then I brunus talking and then I just heard but

959
00:47:32,862 --> 00:47:34,502
Speaker 3: I want to hear what Maya thinks about that?

960
00:47:34,982 --> 00:47:37,622
Speaker 1: And I just spent like a little child like this.

961
00:47:39,422 --> 00:47:42,262
Speaker 4: And I raised my head. Do I try and fake

962
00:47:42,302 --> 00:47:44,062
Speaker 4: it or like I have no idea. I hadn't mean

963
00:47:44,142 --> 00:47:48,702
Speaker 4: listen to I've just actually been playing my email.

964
00:47:48,902 --> 00:47:53,182
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, I'm so bored.

965
00:47:53,862 --> 00:47:56,301
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. I'm doing so bored. You

966
00:47:56,302 --> 00:47:57,181
Speaker 4: guys are amazing.

967
00:47:57,261 --> 00:48:00,062
Speaker 3: I just I'm just I'm looking at my emails because

968
00:48:00,062 --> 00:48:02,262
Speaker 3: I'm so bored, so nasty.

969
00:48:02,382 --> 00:48:04,301
Speaker 4: They didn't thrown to me ever. Again, it was great, No,

970
00:48:04,502 --> 00:48:05,022
Speaker 4: and you were just.

971
00:48:09,022 --> 00:48:11,661
Speaker 3: The level of And of course they're working on lots

972
00:48:11,701 --> 00:48:13,661
Speaker 3: of other projects at the time, you know, and they

973
00:48:14,822 --> 00:48:18,622
Speaker 3: have that attention to detail and working as a group.

974
00:48:18,542 --> 00:48:19,462
Speaker 1: Details the fun.

975
00:48:19,862 --> 00:48:20,901
Speaker 5: That's our job.

976
00:48:21,062 --> 00:48:25,982
Speaker 3: You've got that is totally understand that things too, but

977
00:48:26,102 --> 00:48:28,502
Speaker 3: that is our main j Yeah, to be fair, My.

978
00:48:29,181 --> 00:48:34,902
Speaker 6: Final question was about so your book work balance. You

979
00:48:34,942 --> 00:48:40,781
Speaker 6: wanted to call it balances bullshit originally, Yeah, And I

980
00:48:41,062 --> 00:48:45,462
Speaker 6: wanted to ask, so you're all married, you've got kids,

981
00:48:45,622 --> 00:48:49,661
Speaker 6: you've got big jobs. What ball or balls are are

982
00:48:49,701 --> 00:48:54,262
Speaker 6: you currently dropping? How is balanced failing you in this moment?

983
00:48:55,261 --> 00:48:55,501
Speaker 1: Maya?

984
00:48:57,502 --> 00:48:58,821
Speaker 7: What are you doing badly at the moment?

985
00:49:00,142 --> 00:49:05,942
Speaker 4: Oh, there's not enough bandwidth list of things. What am

986
00:49:05,982 --> 00:49:06,622
Speaker 4: I doing badly?

987
00:49:06,741 --> 00:49:09,461
Speaker 3: I'm failing as a daughter, I'm failing as a daughter

988
00:49:09,661 --> 00:49:13,421
Speaker 3: in law, I'm failing as a wife, I'm failing as

989
00:49:13,462 --> 00:49:17,261
Speaker 3: a mother. Yeah, usually pretty much I'm failing as a homemaker.

990
00:49:17,741 --> 00:49:21,102
Speaker 3: I'm probably failing as a boss. Like I don't feel

991
00:49:21,181 --> 00:49:24,102
Speaker 3: great about myself most of the time. This makes me

992
00:49:24,342 --> 00:49:29,142
Speaker 3: sad hearing this, not in a torture like not, but

993
00:49:29,261 --> 00:49:32,142
Speaker 3: it's but I'm pretty exciting of the fact that I

994
00:49:32,142 --> 00:49:35,941
Speaker 3: shouldn't say failing, but I feel inadequate. But I'm also

995
00:49:36,142 --> 00:49:38,622
Speaker 3: like kind of used to that, and I just think

996
00:49:38,701 --> 00:49:41,542
Speaker 3: that's the default. And that's why balance is bullshit, because

997
00:49:41,862 --> 00:49:44,181
Speaker 3: if the expectation is that you should be balanced, when

998
00:49:44,261 --> 00:49:46,941
Speaker 3: you're not, you feel like you're failing. So I've internalized

999
00:49:46,942 --> 00:49:49,901
Speaker 3: it and in actual fact, I'm just doing my best.

1000
00:49:50,261 --> 00:49:52,622
Speaker 6: Women are dropping countless balls every day. It's just what

1001
00:49:52,822 --> 00:49:55,342
Speaker 6: ball you choose to drop, that's.

1002
00:49:55,302 --> 00:49:58,022
Speaker 2: Right or multiple. I mean, I'm the same. I don't

1003
00:49:58,062 --> 00:50:00,742
Speaker 2: I know what you mean about the feeling like you're failing.

1004
00:50:01,462 --> 00:50:04,302
Speaker 2: I have daily moments like that, no matter what area

1005
00:50:04,382 --> 00:50:06,741
Speaker 2: it is, and I think, oh, gosh, you just could

1006
00:50:06,781 --> 00:50:11,262
Speaker 2: have Why didn't you just do that differently?

1007
00:50:11,382 --> 00:50:15,262
Speaker 1: With vou the teen year old who's a boy as well.

1008
00:50:15,382 --> 00:50:18,422
Speaker 2: And experiencing really interesting things at the moment, Why couldn't

1009
00:50:18,422 --> 00:50:21,502
Speaker 2: you have done it differently? What was it that made

1010
00:50:21,582 --> 00:50:26,102
Speaker 2: you attack that in a certain way. I do this

1011
00:50:26,181 --> 00:50:28,261
Speaker 2: all the time as a parent, There's no doubt about it.

1012
00:50:28,462 --> 00:50:31,942
Speaker 2: But also in all those different ways you just mentioned.

1013
00:50:31,982 --> 00:50:34,662
Speaker 2: But I just think the whole thing is the balance

1014
00:50:34,741 --> 00:50:38,901
Speaker 2: thing is completely elusive. It's absolutely bullshit. I couldn't agree more.

1015
00:50:39,542 --> 00:50:41,941
Speaker 2: I don't reach for it anymore. I feel so much

1016
00:50:42,022 --> 00:50:44,062
Speaker 2: better that I don't as well, because God, I was

1017
00:50:44,142 --> 00:50:47,422
Speaker 2: trying to when I first became a mother, in particular

1018
00:50:47,502 --> 00:50:51,022
Speaker 2: in my early forties, I was desperate for no one

1019
00:50:51,181 --> 00:50:55,221
Speaker 2: to see that I was in any way challenged or

1020
00:50:55,302 --> 00:50:58,741
Speaker 2: struggling or I mean, it's such a relief to not

1021
00:50:59,062 --> 00:51:01,861
Speaker 2: apologize for it anymore, because it's not real.

1022
00:51:01,982 --> 00:51:06,142
Speaker 1: We can't do it. We've got to drop the expectations completely.

1023
00:51:06,022 --> 00:51:08,062
Speaker 7: How about you, Brune? I even never failed to anything.

1024
00:51:09,542 --> 00:51:13,342
Speaker 8: My favorite subjects because I balance is bullshit and I

1025
00:51:13,462 --> 00:51:17,102
Speaker 8: talk about it all the time, and oh, I think

1026
00:51:17,142 --> 00:51:18,062
Speaker 8: I fail all the time.

1027
00:51:18,142 --> 00:51:18,381
Speaker 2: I think.

1028
00:51:18,542 --> 00:51:20,821
Speaker 5: I mean, my kids would tell you. They would say, like,

1029
00:51:20,942 --> 00:51:21,542
Speaker 5: because I am on.

1030
00:51:21,781 --> 00:51:23,622
Speaker 8: I mean, I've just been away from them for I

1031
00:51:24,221 --> 00:51:26,102
Speaker 8: just got back yesterday and I've not been in Sydney

1032
00:51:26,142 --> 00:51:29,422
Speaker 8: since March twentieth. Now my kids came to see me,

1033
00:51:29,661 --> 00:51:32,102
Speaker 8: but I think you have to. I think you cannot

1034
00:51:32,181 --> 00:51:34,542
Speaker 8: thrive at one thing and not something else doesn't stuff it.

1035
00:51:34,622 --> 00:51:36,582
Speaker 8: So for me, I've been really focused on my health

1036
00:51:36,622 --> 00:51:39,181
Speaker 8: because as you and I both have automne stuff, so.

1037
00:51:39,342 --> 00:51:40,422
Speaker 5: We have to focus on that.

1038
00:51:40,982 --> 00:51:43,582
Speaker 8: But for years I didn't, and I was trying to

1039
00:51:43,622 --> 00:51:45,742
Speaker 8: be a mother and I was trying to run my company.

1040
00:51:46,342 --> 00:51:50,422
Speaker 8: So that's been a focus. But then, of course, you know,

1041
00:51:50,942 --> 00:51:53,221
Speaker 8: just generally my kids get you know, less time. Thank god,

1042
00:51:53,261 --> 00:51:55,502
Speaker 8: I have a husband who has been the you know,

1043
00:51:55,622 --> 00:51:59,781
Speaker 8: the main physical caregiver to my children, because if I

1044
00:51:59,822 --> 00:52:01,542
Speaker 8: didn't have that, I could not do the other things.

1045
00:52:01,661 --> 00:52:03,382
Speaker 8: And I think one of the things about filming, and

1046
00:52:03,462 --> 00:52:07,462
Speaker 8: I know Asha feels this too. Yes, I miss my

1047
00:52:07,542 --> 00:52:10,421
Speaker 8: kids when I'm away filming, when I'm in a five

1048
00:52:10,502 --> 00:52:14,741
Speaker 8: star hotel, food, sitting on set all day, getting to

1049
00:52:14,822 --> 00:52:19,661
Speaker 8: make things, five things. But it is I feel like

1050
00:52:19,701 --> 00:52:21,701
Speaker 8: when I'm there, I'm there, and then when I'm here,

1051
00:52:21,862 --> 00:52:25,542
Speaker 8: I can be more here. And I know that Ashery

1052
00:52:25,582 --> 00:52:28,501
Speaker 8: experiences that is very different when you are filming at home,

1053
00:52:28,582 --> 00:52:32,022
Speaker 8: which you know you don't do that often. You're trying

1054
00:52:32,062 --> 00:52:34,982
Speaker 8: to balance going home being a mother, and in Ash's case,

1055
00:52:34,982 --> 00:52:36,741
Speaker 8: I don't have to learn any lines just to go

1056
00:52:36,862 --> 00:52:39,142
Speaker 8: home and work for made hours a day.

1057
00:52:39,221 --> 00:52:42,542
Speaker 2: Yeah, I made fake that way in my hometown in Melbourne,

1058
00:52:42,781 --> 00:52:46,542
Speaker 2: balance performing fake producing that as well coming home having

1059
00:52:46,661 --> 00:52:47,382
Speaker 2: to keep working.

1060
00:52:47,542 --> 00:52:47,982
Speaker 8: I have to.

1061
00:52:48,422 --> 00:52:48,861
Speaker 1: I must.

1062
00:52:49,701 --> 00:52:53,301
Speaker 2: But little ones there, the little ones, they're looking at me, going,

1063
00:52:53,701 --> 00:52:56,102
Speaker 2: could you please make that dinner? Could you please make

1064
00:52:56,181 --> 00:52:59,142
Speaker 2: that dinner? Yep, I can, you know, But it's the

1065
00:52:59,741 --> 00:53:00,942
Speaker 2: that's that's a hard shan.

1066
00:53:01,062 --> 00:53:03,142
Speaker 6: It's doing as being in two places at once. It's

1067
00:53:03,181 --> 00:53:04,661
Speaker 6: like when you when you're being a mother, you want

1068
00:53:04,661 --> 00:53:06,022
Speaker 6: to be a mom. When you're at work, you want

1069
00:53:06,022 --> 00:53:06,821
Speaker 6: to be at work.

1070
00:53:06,942 --> 00:53:08,701
Speaker 7: But it's trying to do both of those things. And

1071
00:53:08,822 --> 00:53:10,462
Speaker 7: I think that's why COVID was so hard for a

1072
00:53:10,502 --> 00:53:10,941
Speaker 7: lot of people.

1073
00:53:10,982 --> 00:53:13,102
Speaker 8: But that's well, that's why mothers say weekends are the

1074
00:53:13,142 --> 00:53:16,381
Speaker 8: most exhausting. I mean, I remember when my babies were little.

1075
00:53:16,741 --> 00:53:18,701
Speaker 8: I'd get to Monday and I could skip off to

1076
00:53:18,781 --> 00:53:19,222
Speaker 8: that office.

1077
00:53:19,302 --> 00:53:21,822
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh my god, this is so easy.

1078
00:53:23,422 --> 00:53:26,741
Speaker 4: Balls, oh so many balls. You're quite new to this.

1079
00:53:26,982 --> 00:53:28,702
Speaker 4: I remember when you were just before.

1080
00:53:28,942 --> 00:53:30,781
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah. Well let's just say

1081
00:53:30,822 --> 00:53:33,182
Speaker 6: this interview was prepared very last minute.

1082
00:53:33,542 --> 00:53:35,741
Speaker 7: But I think it's gone right, But what do you think?

1083
00:53:35,862 --> 00:53:37,301
Speaker 4: What do you what do you you know?

1084
00:53:37,822 --> 00:53:37,942
Speaker 3: Oh?

1085
00:53:38,142 --> 00:53:41,941
Speaker 6: Definitely, like so exercise drops off, that's something you're eating.

1086
00:53:43,062 --> 00:53:44,582
Speaker 6: It's just like when was the last time I gave

1087
00:53:44,701 --> 00:53:46,821
Speaker 6: Mam a phone call? Like, I've probably been a bitch

1088
00:53:46,862 --> 00:53:48,262
Speaker 6: to you today for no reason.

1089
00:53:48,582 --> 00:53:50,022
Speaker 4: Do you know what I'm nailing being your grandmother?

1090
00:53:50,382 --> 00:53:53,341
Speaker 7: You are, that's the ball that you are, not as

1091
00:53:53,342 --> 00:53:54,381
Speaker 7: I'm dropping the ball as a mother.

1092
00:53:54,741 --> 00:53:55,502
Speaker 4: I'm nailing that.

1093
00:53:56,022 --> 00:53:56,821
Speaker 1: You really love it.

1094
00:53:57,102 --> 00:53:57,902
Speaker 4: I'm just loving it.

1095
00:53:58,062 --> 00:54:01,462
Speaker 3: And also the expectations are really low. It's like being

1096
00:54:01,502 --> 00:54:04,901
Speaker 3: on this show for me. But you know what I mean,

1097
00:54:05,261 --> 00:54:08,381
Speaker 3: all you have to do is just kind of love

1098
00:54:08,862 --> 00:54:12,181
Speaker 3: yeah and go. That's great and that's literally my job.

1099
00:54:12,261 --> 00:54:13,022
Speaker 4: It's very easy.

1100
00:54:13,781 --> 00:54:16,701
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you so much. Thank you for joining for

1101
00:54:16,822 --> 00:54:19,181
Speaker 6: joining me a draft during the process of.

1102
00:54:19,221 --> 00:54:23,462
Speaker 1: This nun not even no, no, you held onto that,

1103
00:54:23,661 --> 00:54:24,821
Speaker 1: but I was going to steal it from you.

1104
00:54:26,302 --> 00:54:28,502
Speaker 6: I cannot wait for everyone to watch this new season

1105
00:54:28,622 --> 00:54:35,301
Speaker 6: strife on Binge. It was such a privilege to keep

1106
00:54:35,781 --> 00:54:39,422
Speaker 6: Kate's seat warm and to speak to three of my

1107
00:54:39,462 --> 00:54:44,582
Speaker 6: favorite people, Asha, Brunner and Maya about this incredible project.

1108
00:54:45,181 --> 00:54:49,462
Speaker 6: I should just drop in that episode two season two. Claire,

1109
00:54:49,622 --> 00:54:52,582
Speaker 6: my twin sister, and I wrote that one so better

1110
00:54:52,622 --> 00:54:56,542
Speaker 6: be your favorite. You can watch Strife season two now

1111
00:54:56,781 --> 00:54:59,181
Speaker 6: on Binge and I just know you are going to

1112
00:54:59,302 --> 00:55:03,182
Speaker 6: love it. The executive producer of No Filter is Naima Brown.

1113
00:55:03,781 --> 00:55:07,781
Speaker 6: The senior producer is Grace Ruvray, with audio production by

1114
00:55:07,862 --> 00:55:08,502
Speaker 6: Jacob Brown.

1115
00:55:09,102 --> 00:55:11,382
Speaker 7: Kate will be back in your ears on Monday

1116
00:55:13,102 --> 00:55:15,622
Speaker 3: M HM