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Speaker 1: MEA's twice daily news podcast, The Quickie. Do you get

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Speaker 1: that sinking feeling every time you tap your card? People

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Speaker 1: are changing the way they socialize, shop, and even think

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Speaker 1: about money as fear of spending hits a new high.

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Speaker 1: Plus postnatal rage in what should be a joyous time,

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Speaker 1: Why does so many new mums feel anger before we

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Speaker 1: get there? Here's Tarlie Blackman with the latest from the

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Speaker 1: QUICKI newsroom for Monday, July seven.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Taylor. Elon Musk has announced a new political party,

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Speaker 2: deepening his split with former ally President Donald Trump. In

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Speaker 2: a post on Saturday, Musk said the America Party would

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Speaker 2: give people back their freedom and offer an alternative to

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Speaker 2: the two party system. The move comes just a day

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Speaker 2: after Trump signed a May tax and spending bill into law,

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Speaker 2: something Musk strongly opposed, warning it would bankrupt the country.

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Speaker 2: Musk was once Trump's biggest campaign backer, and even led

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Speaker 2: a government cost cutting department during his second term, but

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Speaker 2: their relationship has soured, with Musk threatening to fund campaigns

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Speaker 2: against lawmakers who support the bill. Republicans worried the feud

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Speaker 2: could damage their chances of the twenty twenty six midterms.

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Speaker 2: Trump hasn't responded yet, and experts say breaking the two

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Speaker 2: party system won't be easy. A man has been charged

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Speaker 2: over a fire at a Melbourne synagogue on Friday night.

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Speaker 2: Police say thirty four year old Angelo Loris from Sydney

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Speaker 2: twenty people were inside observing Shabbat. No one was hurt,

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Speaker 2: but Lauris has been charged with reckless conduct in day

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Speaker 2: on Sunday and was remanded in custody. The same night,

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Speaker 2: pro protesters stormed a Jewish owned restaurant in the city

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Speaker 2: and several cars were set on fire in Melbourne's northeast.

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Speaker 2: Police are now investigating whether the synagogue attack was motivated

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Speaker 2: after eight thirty on Sunday morning. It's believed the woman,

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Speaker 2: She was flown by rescue helicopter to Brisbane's Princess Alexandra

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Speaker 2: Hospital in a stable condition. The zoo said the animal

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Speaker 2: Tributes are pouring in for Australian actor Julia McMahon, who

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Speaker 2: has died of cancer at age fifty six. His wife,

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Speaker 2: Kelly McMahon confirmed the news on Friday, saying he passed

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Speaker 2: away peacefully after a brave fight. Julian was best known

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Speaker 2: for his roles in Niptuck, FBI, Most Wanted and more

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Speaker 2: recently The Surfer, where he started alongside Nicholas Cage. Cage

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Speaker 2: said he was deeply saddened by the news, calling Julian

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Speaker 2: people to work with. Niptuck co star Dylan Walsh remembered

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Speaker 2: brought years of laughter. Producer Dick Wolf also shared his condolences,

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Speaker 2: saying everyone at Wolf Entertainment was shocked and saddened by

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Speaker 1: Thanks Charlie. Next, the link between money and mental health.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about something that very much shapes the way

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Speaker 1: more people, fosshom or fear of spending money is changing

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Speaker 1: Karli interest rates, debts, uncertainty, tariffs, all these things happening

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Speaker 1: What kind of impact can it have on someone's relationship

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Speaker 3: Research has shown for decades that financial stress is one

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Speaker 3: Absolutely it can. We know that financial stress and Fear

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Speaker 3: minds aren't always correct. Right there, thought machines. Not every

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Speaker 1: Sue Forkner's story is all too familiar. A healthy pregnancy,

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Speaker 1: rage when they happen. Psychologist Alicia Lee Formelli says anger

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Speaker 1: They all add fuel to the fire. So how do

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Speaker 1: the usual new parent stress. Well, postnatal rage often shows

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Speaker 1: up as a short, sharp burst of intense emotion think yelling, snapping,

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Speaker 1: go of those unrealistic expectations. If you're struggling, you're not

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Speaker 1: important thing is to recognize that rage is a message,

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Speaker 1: not a moral failing. If this story has brought up

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