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Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick.

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Speaker 1: I'm Tina Burke. I am Mummy's pop culture and social editor.

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Speaker 1: And coming up on the show today, there is a

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Speaker 1: new actress of the scene in Hollywood that everyone is

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Speaker 1: talking about and when I say you won't believe her backstory,

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Speaker 1: And Jennifer Lopez has given a new interview that's made

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Speaker 1: some people think that potentially she's getting back together with

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Speaker 1: Ben Aflake, but has also just shed light on the

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Speaker 1: real problem their marriage. Plus there's a whole thing about

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Speaker 1: her wedding an Oscar. We're going to get into that.

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Speaker 1: But first, Tina Burke, I'm not even sure what you've

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Speaker 1: prepped for our first segment, but you told me you

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Speaker 1: had some important, hard hitting news, and you and I

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Speaker 1: work together very closely and you handle a lot of

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Speaker 1: the breaking use the big stories. The roll out of

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Speaker 1: what people need to know today. Yes, I can't wait

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Speaker 1: to hear what this huge information is that I've missed.

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Speaker 2: So while you are very on the hot topics of

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Speaker 2: the world, somewhere that maybe you're not always on. Is

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Speaker 2: TikTok true or false? I'm on TikTok every second of

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Speaker 2: every day, knowing what's hot and what it's.

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Speaker 1: Not that I want a different corn of TikTok to

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Speaker 1: you for people who heard I ask a million Laura

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Speaker 1: anything episode. I like sasquatch news. News about monsters are

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Speaker 1: like Mermaid sightings. And I also enjoy like van life

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Speaker 1: because well, man, I think your FIP would be a view.

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Speaker 1: By the way, that's a for you page. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: got that. I didn't know if you knew that.

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Speaker 2: I think your FIP would be a fascinating character study

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Speaker 2: and a nice place to be. Personally, my FIP is

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Speaker 2: dominated by the hot boys of the moment at all times.

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Speaker 2: So what I want to talk to you about today

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Speaker 2: is the House of Guinness, which just dropped on Netflix.

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Speaker 1: VI is a is a TV review. It's kind of yeah,

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Speaker 2: So it's from the creator of Peaky blinders. His name

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Speaker 2: is Stephen Knight. Oh a great show. Yeah, And so

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Speaker 2: this is a story about if you might not have

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Speaker 2: guests from the title the Guinness Family, so like the

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Speaker 2: Brewing Dynasty. So it's kind of like succession, but in

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Speaker 2: nineteenth century Dublin slash New York. There's like I Love Dublin,

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Speaker 2: Yes vibes. It's got Irish music from like Kneecat Fontaine's

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Speaker 2: DC Floggy Molly, and it kind of shows the fallout

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Speaker 2: of the death of the family patriarch, which is Benjamin

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Speaker 2: Guinness in eighteen sixty eight, and then like the succession

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Speaker 2: of it all is like the legacy and the four

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Speaker 2: children he has and who's going to take over where

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Speaker 2: it gets exciting and where I have props to bring

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Speaker 1: We are on YouTube, guys, but don't worry, We're gonna

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Speaker 1: describe this in such detail you'll feel like you're in

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Speaker 2: Yes, So it follows the four children. So Arthur is

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Speaker 2: played by an irishractor named Anthony Boyle. He's a bit

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Speaker 2: of a selfish dick, that's his vibe. Yeah, just so

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Speaker 2: you know. I'm going to show you a printed out picture,

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Speaker 1: it for pictures nefarious reasons. And you have you have

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Speaker 1: to the printer, but Militia has access to the printer.

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Speaker 2: Print these out just to show you because I want

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Speaker 2: to get your honest reactions, because this is giving Bridgeton

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Speaker 1: Of course it is. It is not a good use

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Speaker 1: We don't need to know that. We only want to

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Speaker 2: Ellenka Crane. She's a working class rebel and she opposes

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Speaker 1: Yeah, House a Guinness review. James Norton's pheromones positively sizzle.

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Speaker 2: So we've got drama, we've got hot people, we have

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Speaker 1: hot boy syndrome has almost like leaked into my professional

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Speaker 2: No, this is just like the internet banter vibes. This

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Speaker 1: I have to say, the Guinness family not particularly happy

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Speaker 1: with like ways for it to help do like admin

422
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Speaker 1: tasks and things. But I think it's a completely different

423
00:19:24,384 --> 00:19:27,584
Speaker 1: conversation when it comes to taking like a creative form

424
00:19:27,664 --> 00:19:29,664
Speaker 1: like a performance in a movie or a TV show

425
00:19:29,704 --> 00:19:31,304
Speaker 1: and giving it to an AI program.

426
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Speaker 2: And we've seen really like I don't want to get

427
00:19:33,104 --> 00:19:35,464
Speaker 2: too heavy, but there have been really dark things happening

428
00:19:35,544 --> 00:19:38,224
Speaker 2: on the Internet with the use of these AI tools

429
00:19:38,264 --> 00:19:40,744
Speaker 2: and how a lot of men have used these AI

430
00:19:40,824 --> 00:19:43,704
Speaker 2: tools for videos involving women. So like to actually take

431
00:19:43,744 --> 00:19:45,624
Speaker 2: it to that place in Hollywood, which is supposed to

432
00:19:45,664 --> 00:19:48,424
Speaker 2: be this safe space for the arts and this space

433
00:19:48,464 --> 00:19:50,704
Speaker 2: where you know, you can create content and actors can

434
00:19:50,744 --> 00:19:52,424
Speaker 2: come in and like do things that make us feel

435
00:19:52,464 --> 00:19:54,464
Speaker 2: things like that's what art is for. It's not supposed

436
00:19:54,504 --> 00:19:56,544
Speaker 2: to just be something that you like make easier with

437
00:19:56,584 --> 00:20:00,944
Speaker 2: a computer program. And it's just really depressing, I guess.

438
00:20:01,024 --> 00:20:03,304
Speaker 2: But like the thing for me is she does actually

439
00:20:03,304 --> 00:20:05,224
Speaker 2: look maybe a little bit more real than some of

440
00:20:05,224 --> 00:20:06,384
Speaker 2: the AI we've been seeing.

441
00:20:06,464 --> 00:20:08,584
Speaker 1: That's the thing. She looks so real. So they've been

442
00:20:08,624 --> 00:20:11,504
Speaker 1: doing video appearances with her own things and putting up

443
00:20:11,504 --> 00:20:13,744
Speaker 1: photos of her and again releasing quotes for her that

444
00:20:13,784 --> 00:20:17,024
Speaker 1: she's really excited and people don't know she's AI at all.

445
00:20:17,544 --> 00:20:19,984
Speaker 1: Like she could probably go through a whole press run

446
00:20:20,024 --> 00:20:21,824
Speaker 1: of an interview and it would take people a while

447
00:20:21,904 --> 00:20:23,664
Speaker 1: until you started doing like a live jungle to pick

448
00:20:23,744 --> 00:20:24,824
Speaker 1: up that she's not real.

449
00:20:24,864 --> 00:20:26,264
Speaker 2: Because you know, and like your mum sends you a

450
00:20:26,304 --> 00:20:28,184
Speaker 2: video of like an AI cat being friends with the

451
00:20:28,224 --> 00:20:30,344
Speaker 2: goldfish and you're like, what the fuck?

452
00:20:30,704 --> 00:20:32,384
Speaker 1: But it doesn't. Yeah, it's hard to tell. It's like

453
00:20:32,384 --> 00:20:34,424
Speaker 1: a I. But this is a bit. This is getting

454
00:20:34,424 --> 00:20:36,344
Speaker 1: harder to tell. This is like the highest kind of

455
00:20:36,344 --> 00:20:38,104
Speaker 1: tech in the world, yeah sort of thing. And just

456
00:20:38,144 --> 00:20:41,824
Speaker 1: because they can't make her human yet and then they

457
00:20:41,824 --> 00:20:44,624
Speaker 1: can't give her a physical form. Yeah you know that's coming.

458
00:20:44,904 --> 00:20:49,224
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, these robots and their AI. Yeah yeah, but yes,

459
00:20:49,264 --> 00:20:51,224
Speaker 2: I think it's quite concerning. And I do agree with

460
00:20:51,224 --> 00:20:53,464
Speaker 2: all the people being like every single actor in Hollywood

461
00:20:53,464 --> 00:20:54,704
Speaker 2: should go on strike today.

462
00:20:54,824 --> 00:20:57,064
Speaker 1: Well that's what their strike was about, and they had

463
00:20:57,104 --> 00:20:59,624
Speaker 1: the actors strike. A lot of it was to write

464
00:20:59,944 --> 00:21:03,584
Speaker 1: guidelines into all of their contracts and to write guidelines

465
00:21:03,624 --> 00:21:07,184
Speaker 1: in with their union about the uses of AI on

466
00:21:07,304 --> 00:21:09,504
Speaker 1: film and now so many people are throwing the hands

467
00:21:09,504 --> 00:21:11,184
Speaker 1: over the air and like this is why we're picketing,

468
00:21:11,184 --> 00:21:12,104
Speaker 1: this is why we stopped work.

469
00:21:12,144 --> 00:21:14,344
Speaker 2: Exactly another time, there was so much criticism going like

470
00:21:14,384 --> 00:21:16,104
Speaker 2: it's all about the money. But it's like no, this

471
00:21:16,264 --> 00:21:18,864
Speaker 2: was literally like Renee Zellwerg in a calcument. They don't

472
00:21:18,904 --> 00:21:20,904
Speaker 2: care about that stuff. I mean, they care for the

473
00:21:20,944 --> 00:21:23,304
Speaker 2: sanctity of art, but like this is about background extras

474
00:21:23,344 --> 00:21:25,904
Speaker 2: and people who like pay their bills by being an actor,

475
00:21:25,944 --> 00:21:27,384
Speaker 2: who are being replaced by AI.

476
00:21:27,664 --> 00:21:29,904
Speaker 1: Like it's very depressing, go on strike and just to

477
00:21:29,904 --> 00:21:32,184
Speaker 1: finish up, just in case Tillie Norwood does take over.

478
00:21:32,304 --> 00:21:34,424
Speaker 1: I for one, I'm very excited to have you on

479
00:21:34,464 --> 00:21:36,944
Speaker 1: the podcast. Have you on spill interview about your next

480
00:21:37,304 --> 00:21:40,664
Speaker 1: dramatic movie or movie endeavor, And I for one would

481
00:21:40,704 --> 00:21:42,424
Speaker 1: like to say take me out. If that's the case,

482
00:21:42,824 --> 00:21:46,464
Speaker 1: I don't want to be here anymore. La so onto

483
00:21:46,544 --> 00:21:48,944
Speaker 1: a real movie star. Yes, That's all I'll say about

484
00:21:48,944 --> 00:21:51,584
Speaker 1: that is that Jennifer Lopez has a new movie coming

485
00:21:51,624 --> 00:21:54,064
Speaker 1: out and so she is back on the press circuit,

486
00:21:54,464 --> 00:21:56,584
Speaker 1: and it just fills me with a sense of calm

487
00:21:56,624 --> 00:22:00,104
Speaker 1: and like safety knowing that Jennifer Lopez is out promoting because, like,

488
00:22:00,144 --> 00:22:02,104
Speaker 1: I feel like that's always a fun time for us. Yes,

489
00:22:02,184 --> 00:22:05,504
Speaker 1: I love miss Jennifer Lopez. I love and her movie

490
00:22:05,504 --> 00:22:08,824
Speaker 1: circuits exactly never changed Jlo. So at the moment, she's

491
00:22:08,864 --> 00:22:11,024
Speaker 1: out promoting her new movie. Well, she's got a few

492
00:22:11,024 --> 00:22:12,664
Speaker 1: things in the works, but one of them is Kiss

493
00:22:12,704 --> 00:22:14,984
Speaker 1: of the Spider Woman, which is a new upcoming movie

494
00:22:15,024 --> 00:22:17,784
Speaker 1: that she is the star of. And she did an

495
00:22:17,784 --> 00:22:21,304
Speaker 1: interview with CBS News Morning where she was talking about

496
00:22:21,344 --> 00:22:24,264
Speaker 1: the making of the film. And something that's really interesting

497
00:22:24,784 --> 00:22:27,184
Speaker 1: is that Ben Affleck. You might have heard of him,

498
00:22:27,464 --> 00:22:29,744
Speaker 1: I have, actually, Yeah. He likes coffee, right, he loves

499
00:22:29,824 --> 00:22:33,504
Speaker 1: Dunkan donall interesting and Phoenix tattoos and sadness and a

500
00:22:33,584 --> 00:22:36,624
Speaker 1: strolling a cardigan. Yeah, we love that man. Ben Affleck

501
00:22:36,664 --> 00:22:39,624
Speaker 1: produced the movie and he and Jennifer Lopez worked on

502
00:22:39,664 --> 00:22:42,344
Speaker 1: it very tirelessly together as a passion project back when

503
00:22:42,344 --> 00:22:44,344
Speaker 1: they were together. Yeah, they made a few movies in

504
00:22:44,384 --> 00:22:47,424
Speaker 1: that time. They were very creative together. I love that

505
00:22:47,504 --> 00:22:51,184
Speaker 1: a little bit of romance, but the creativity. And so

506
00:22:51,384 --> 00:22:53,864
Speaker 1: now the movie is coming out, and in this interview

507
00:22:54,304 --> 00:22:57,224
Speaker 1: she was talking about working on the movie with Ben

508
00:22:57,264 --> 00:22:59,984
Speaker 1: and also coming back together with him and getting married

509
00:23:00,024 --> 00:23:02,224
Speaker 1: and finding love after being a part for twenty years,

510
00:23:02,504 --> 00:23:04,504
Speaker 1: and said it was the best thing that ever happened

511
00:23:04,504 --> 00:23:07,024
Speaker 1: to me. And then she wanted to talk about their

512
00:23:07,064 --> 00:23:09,904
Speaker 1: divorce and said, but it's changed now, but it helped

513
00:23:09,944 --> 00:23:12,664
Speaker 1: me grow in a way I needed to grow. I

514
00:23:12,704 --> 00:23:15,224
Speaker 1: became more self aware. I'm a different person now than

515
00:23:15,224 --> 00:23:17,264
Speaker 1: I was last year or even a year and a

516
00:23:17,304 --> 00:23:20,464
Speaker 1: half ago. That's so beautiful, Jenniferlipis. Let me, what else

517
00:23:20,584 --> 00:23:22,264
Speaker 1: is she gonna say? No shit, and I hate we

518
00:23:22,264 --> 00:23:24,984
Speaker 1: didn't get divorced. She's like, yeah, it was beautiful then

519
00:23:25,024 --> 00:23:26,864
Speaker 1: and then it ended, but I'm a better person now.

520
00:23:27,184 --> 00:23:30,024
Speaker 1: What was more interesting was her talking about being on

521
00:23:30,064 --> 00:23:32,624
Speaker 1: the set of Kiss of the Spider Woman, because she

522
00:23:32,744 --> 00:23:35,424
Speaker 1: and Ben were working on that together, and she said,

523
00:23:35,544 --> 00:23:38,664
Speaker 1: every moment on set, every moment I was doing this role,

524
00:23:38,744 --> 00:23:41,624
Speaker 1: I was so so happy. And then we would go

525
00:23:41,744 --> 00:23:45,744
Speaker 1: home and it was not great, and I was just like, oh,

526
00:23:45,784 --> 00:23:48,384
Speaker 1: you know, how do I reconcile this? But I knew

527
00:23:48,424 --> 00:23:50,704
Speaker 1: I needed to get through it. And what I find

528
00:23:50,784 --> 00:23:53,064
Speaker 1: interesting at that is I actually think when people talk

529
00:23:53,104 --> 00:23:54,944
Speaker 1: about Ben and jen being a bad fit, I don't

530
00:23:54,944 --> 00:23:56,144
Speaker 1: think they were at all. I think they were a

531
00:23:56,224 --> 00:24:00,384
Speaker 1: bad fit domestically, but they came alive when they worked

532
00:24:00,384 --> 00:24:04,384
Speaker 1: on movies together and projects and people were saying like, oh,

533
00:24:04,504 --> 00:24:07,344
Speaker 1: benefite got dragged into her album and the music video

534
00:24:07,384 --> 00:24:09,064
Speaker 1: they went with it and the movie and he was

535
00:24:09,224 --> 00:24:11,224
Speaker 1: and He's like, no, he wasn't. He was in the mix,

536
00:24:11,264 --> 00:24:13,144
Speaker 1: he was directing it, he was producing it, he was

537
00:24:13,144 --> 00:24:16,064
Speaker 1: involved in the creative. Like, I think that they just

538
00:24:16,144 --> 00:24:19,704
Speaker 1: came together. They had like sparks in chemistry when they

539
00:24:19,704 --> 00:24:22,784
Speaker 1: were working together and when they were hooking up, but

540
00:24:22,904 --> 00:24:24,624
Speaker 1: not when they tried to just like have a normal

541
00:24:24,664 --> 00:24:26,864
Speaker 1: domestic life together. Is my take on that. I would

542
00:24:26,904 --> 00:24:28,864
Speaker 1: agree with that it kind of feels like a situation

543
00:24:29,144 --> 00:24:31,424
Speaker 1: that ended up in a marriage. Like not not to

544
00:24:31,504 --> 00:24:33,944
Speaker 1: discount the value and love that they had together, but

545
00:24:33,984 --> 00:24:36,664
Speaker 1: I agree like they often just seem like two people

546
00:24:36,704 --> 00:24:38,984
Speaker 1: who like when everything was happening and there was lots

547
00:24:39,024 --> 00:24:41,304
Speaker 1: going on, and they will walking the streets kissing and

548
00:24:41,384 --> 00:24:43,544
Speaker 1: having a good time, like that's when vibes were high.

549
00:24:43,704 --> 00:24:46,704
Speaker 1: But then obviously when they've tried to like marry, and

550
00:24:46,744 --> 00:24:48,504
Speaker 1: obviously the first time when they called off their engagement,

551
00:24:48,504 --> 00:24:50,464
Speaker 1: it seems like something similar might have happened. Is it

552
00:24:50,504 --> 00:24:53,864
Speaker 1: just they realized like it wasn't the right fit for forever. Well,

553
00:24:53,864 --> 00:24:56,544
Speaker 1: that's the think because they met on Jelly, and I

554
00:24:56,584 --> 00:24:59,584
Speaker 1: think they even though obvious this terrible movie. Yeah, they

555
00:24:59,744 --> 00:25:01,904
Speaker 1: met like being on a set together and like being

556
00:25:01,984 --> 00:25:04,704
Speaker 1: creative and trying to like pull this movie together and

557
00:25:04,744 --> 00:25:07,584
Speaker 1: save it. They didn't succeed, but they tried. And then

558
00:25:07,784 --> 00:25:09,624
Speaker 1: I think most of their love story most of the

559
00:25:09,624 --> 00:25:11,664
Speaker 1: time they were married and together. I mean it wasn't

560
00:25:11,664 --> 00:25:14,864
Speaker 1: that long, but in that time they made like three movies. Yeah,

561
00:25:14,944 --> 00:25:17,264
Speaker 1: so it feels like that was the worst everything keeping

562
00:25:17,304 --> 00:25:19,064
Speaker 1: them It's like, yeah, it's like they're on set together,

563
00:25:19,104 --> 00:25:20,384
Speaker 1: there was so love and they get in the car

564
00:25:20,424 --> 00:25:22,904
Speaker 1: on the way home they're just like, oh yeah, like

565
00:25:22,944 --> 00:25:24,984
Speaker 1: maybe we're just really good co working. Yeah, we're just

566
00:25:25,024 --> 00:25:28,744
Speaker 1: great coworking. So I can't see why that would have

567
00:25:28,784 --> 00:25:31,464
Speaker 1: worked out, But I love that. She then said, like

568
00:25:31,664 --> 00:25:34,144
Speaker 1: this past summer was the best one she's ever had. Yeah,

569
00:25:34,224 --> 00:25:36,464
Speaker 1: Like it was. I mean, for sure, love single j Lo,

570
00:25:36,624 --> 00:25:38,544
Speaker 1: but like it kind of seems like a bit of

571
00:25:38,544 --> 00:25:39,984
Speaker 1: a thing of like, oh yeah, I used to be

572
00:25:40,024 --> 00:25:42,024
Speaker 1: sad at home and now I live my best life

573
00:25:42,024 --> 00:25:44,504
Speaker 1: and I have summer, like she's such a simple diva

574
00:25:44,584 --> 00:25:46,304
Speaker 1: in that way. When do you think we're going to

575
00:25:46,304 --> 00:25:47,904
Speaker 1: get to the stage where people start and I know

576
00:25:47,944 --> 00:25:50,144
Speaker 1: it's already started, people start like thinking that she's going

577
00:25:50,184 --> 00:25:53,224
Speaker 1: to hook up with other people, or like being very

578
00:25:53,264 --> 00:25:55,504
Speaker 1: invested in her love life, or thinking, I know, people

579
00:25:55,544 --> 00:25:58,384
Speaker 1: keep thinking she and Ben are getting back together. And

580
00:25:58,384 --> 00:26:00,264
Speaker 1: what I saw from this interview is people thinking that

581
00:26:00,304 --> 00:26:03,344
Speaker 1: the Ben and Jen romance surfaced. I don't think it has.

582
00:26:03,584 --> 00:26:05,424
Speaker 2: I don't think it has, but I also wouldn't hate that.

583
00:26:05,464 --> 00:26:07,064
Speaker 2: I'd love but I kind of want more gap. I

584
00:26:07,064 --> 00:26:09,424
Speaker 2: think we've got to like revisit this love story every

585
00:26:09,464 --> 00:26:10,344
Speaker 2: like five to ten years.

586
00:26:10,544 --> 00:26:10,784
Speaker 3: Yeah.

587
00:26:12,304 --> 00:26:15,144
Speaker 1: I think that they're an iconic Hollywood romance at our time,

588
00:26:15,624 --> 00:26:18,984
Speaker 1: and it's way more fun when they come back together

589
00:26:19,024 --> 00:26:19,984
Speaker 1: every twenty years or so.

590
00:26:20,184 --> 00:26:21,424
Speaker 2: I think we'll look back on it like you know

591
00:26:21,464 --> 00:26:23,744
Speaker 2: some of those like old school great Hollywood, like like

592
00:26:23,784 --> 00:26:24,584
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Taylor.

593
00:26:24,944 --> 00:26:26,864
Speaker 1: But like that's the vibe I think we're gonna have

594
00:26:26,864 --> 00:26:29,224
Speaker 1: for Jlo and Bed forever. I love it for them.

595
00:26:29,384 --> 00:26:31,184
Speaker 2: I also think the thing with Jaylo, like you said,

596
00:26:31,264 --> 00:26:33,944
Speaker 2: when they've had like their flops or when they've had whatever, like,

597
00:26:34,024 --> 00:26:35,984
Speaker 2: oh him being brought into her movie. People kind of

598
00:26:35,984 --> 00:26:38,144
Speaker 2: put this thing on Jaylo that she's cringe and he's

599
00:26:38,224 --> 00:26:40,584
Speaker 2: just like tied to it. But then somehow when she

600
00:26:40,744 --> 00:26:43,544
Speaker 2: gets to a single point, everyone loves the cringe. Yeah,

601
00:26:43,584 --> 00:26:45,544
Speaker 2: because remember when the announcement went out that they were

602
00:26:45,584 --> 00:26:48,664
Speaker 2: getting divorced and she posted this like swimsuit picture showing

603
00:26:48,664 --> 00:26:50,344
Speaker 2: her butt in the mirror and she looks stunning, and

604
00:26:50,384 --> 00:26:53,984
Speaker 2: everyone was like, Jlo, you're back, We love you the most,

605
00:26:54,104 --> 00:26:57,624
Speaker 2: or people just love the summer ice cream as much

606
00:26:57,664 --> 00:26:59,384
Speaker 2: as it's like people start to speculate and go, who

607
00:26:59,384 --> 00:27:01,224
Speaker 2: will she be next? And I think because of her

608
00:27:01,224 --> 00:27:03,104
Speaker 2: engagements or her weddings, Like it's become a bit of

609
00:27:03,104 --> 00:27:05,744
Speaker 2: a running joke with Jalo where it's like she single

610
00:27:05,784 --> 00:27:07,184
Speaker 2: or she can't land a man, and it's like she's

611
00:27:07,304 --> 00:27:09,424
Speaker 2: landed several. Actually, I think you'll find I think she's

612
00:27:09,464 --> 00:27:11,704
Speaker 2: quite good, pretty good at getting I mean, I would

613
00:27:11,744 --> 00:27:14,744
Speaker 2: love some tips. I think she gets bored of them exactly.

614
00:27:14,864 --> 00:27:17,224
Speaker 2: But I think people love the single Kim Kardashian energy.

615
00:27:17,304 --> 00:27:20,504
Speaker 2: Kin Kashi is like I'm ready for my next love story.

616
00:27:20,504 --> 00:27:21,504
Speaker 2: I'm ready to get.

617
00:27:21,584 --> 00:27:24,424
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian has built a whole extra deposit in her

618
00:27:24,464 --> 00:27:26,904
Speaker 1: home for her husband. And I actually find that really

619
00:27:26,944 --> 00:27:28,864
Speaker 1: sweet because she's like, I believe in love and I'm

620
00:27:28,864 --> 00:27:30,544
Speaker 1: going to go again and get married again. Yeah.

621
00:27:30,584 --> 00:27:33,984
Speaker 2: They have this like unashamedly like obsessed with love singleness,

622
00:27:34,184 --> 00:27:37,824
Speaker 2: like as a single girl who's like, like, I can't relate,

623
00:27:37,904 --> 00:27:40,344
Speaker 2: but I enjoy it in them. You're quite sweet and wholesome,

624
00:27:40,504 --> 00:27:40,984
Speaker 2: so sweet.

625
00:27:41,064 --> 00:27:43,944
Speaker 1: Our producer Minisha has some thoughts on who she would

626
00:27:43,984 --> 00:27:46,664
Speaker 1: like Jennifer Lopez to be with. You own, shut up

627
00:27:46,664 --> 00:27:49,144
Speaker 1: about this? Do you want to tell the people your

628
00:27:49,184 --> 00:27:51,744
Speaker 1: theory because you're not team ben Affleck. It's not really

629
00:27:51,824 --> 00:27:55,584
Speaker 1: a theory. It's a hope. Oh, it's a plan, it's

630
00:27:55,624 --> 00:27:56,344
Speaker 1: a manifestation.

631
00:27:56,584 --> 00:27:58,824
Speaker 3: I'm the only person I've met whose team mark Antony.

632
00:27:59,144 --> 00:28:02,104
Speaker 1: I feel one hundred percent the only person whose team

633
00:28:02,144 --> 00:28:04,344
Speaker 1: mark Antony. But I have a few reasons.

634
00:28:04,744 --> 00:28:07,344
Speaker 3: Please tell us they were together ten years, well almost,

635
00:28:07,984 --> 00:28:10,144
Speaker 3: they were married two thousand and four to twenty fourteen,

636
00:28:10,144 --> 00:28:11,944
Speaker 3: but they separated a few years before that.

637
00:28:12,144 --> 00:28:14,464
Speaker 1: They have the twins together. These are just the basic reasons.

638
00:28:14,984 --> 00:28:18,424
Speaker 3: My niche reasons are he features in the hottest music

639
00:28:18,464 --> 00:28:21,704
Speaker 3: video of all time that comes only after what do

640
00:28:21,744 --> 00:28:23,864
Speaker 3: you mean by Justin Bieber and tonight I'm loving you,

641
00:28:23,944 --> 00:28:25,944
Speaker 3: Enrique Glecias.

642
00:28:25,624 --> 00:28:28,384
Speaker 1: And what this Okay? That list is already quite messed

643
00:28:28,424 --> 00:28:31,304
Speaker 1: up on okay, carry on, I'll ask later.

644
00:28:31,624 --> 00:28:34,024
Speaker 3: It's Rain over Me with Pitbull, the one where they're

645
00:28:34,024 --> 00:28:37,224
Speaker 3: in the desert, the hottest music video of all time.

646
00:28:37,224 --> 00:28:39,504
Speaker 3: And I just think pulling a man like that, I mean,

647
00:28:39,624 --> 00:28:40,984
Speaker 3: I know Jaylo pulls a lot of men.

648
00:28:41,544 --> 00:28:45,184
Speaker 1: Why would you let that? I can't believe out of

649
00:28:45,224 --> 00:28:49,384
Speaker 1: all the sexy men that Jennifer Lopez has dated, that

650
00:28:49,424 --> 00:28:51,064
Speaker 1: you want to go back to Mark. I know he's

651
00:28:51,104 --> 00:28:53,944
Speaker 1: a huge superstar, is super talented, but she was a

652
00:28:53,984 --> 00:28:56,104
Speaker 1: marriag him for ten years. He must have something. Well,

653
00:28:56,104 --> 00:28:57,984
Speaker 1: a lot of people think he has sex appeal.

654
00:28:57,744 --> 00:29:00,224
Speaker 3: Right, people definitely think he has sex appeal. And I

655
00:29:00,264 --> 00:29:02,064
Speaker 3: think the fact what you say about how he's not

656
00:29:02,184 --> 00:29:04,104
Speaker 3: like the other he's not like the other boys, so

657
00:29:05,264 --> 00:29:07,624
Speaker 3: that he's not like Ben Affleck, He's not Hey Rod,

658
00:29:07,664 --> 00:29:10,464
Speaker 3: He's not this like hunky athlete. He has this like

659
00:29:10,704 --> 00:29:15,104
Speaker 3: what I've coined like Weaselman, sexy Weaselman, the original rat boy.

660
00:29:15,304 --> 00:29:18,744
Speaker 3: You will clearly had a lot going for him. There

661
00:29:18,784 --> 00:29:21,144
Speaker 3: was clearly something there and when they were going out.

662
00:29:21,184 --> 00:29:23,704
Speaker 3: I remember she did this interview where she said something like, yeah,

663
00:29:23,744 --> 00:29:26,064
Speaker 3: sometimes people think the men that I go for aren't

664
00:29:26,184 --> 00:29:30,184
Speaker 3: conventionally attractive, like they just a little something something else, And.

665
00:29:30,144 --> 00:29:32,624
Speaker 1: I reckon, you can't replace that something something else.

666
00:29:32,704 --> 00:29:35,064
Speaker 2: No, you need a little bit of juge to your personality.

667
00:29:35,064 --> 00:29:37,104
Speaker 2: And maybe that's what he has. Is that what he has.

668
00:29:37,264 --> 00:29:38,144
Speaker 1: I think that's what he has.

669
00:29:38,344 --> 00:29:39,904
Speaker 3: And if if that doesn't work out, then I think

670
00:29:39,904 --> 00:29:41,304
Speaker 3: Pitple and her could do a great thing.

671
00:29:41,904 --> 00:29:45,264
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I would love to see Pitbull and jail.

672
00:29:45,464 --> 00:29:47,144
Speaker 1: That is a community.

673
00:29:46,704 --> 00:29:49,664
Speaker 3: Online that there's a big community.

674
00:29:49,864 --> 00:29:52,504
Speaker 1: Okay, I like that. All right, Well, he's hoping sexy

675
00:29:52,544 --> 00:29:55,664
Speaker 1: Weaselman doesn't take off. I think after the rat boy situation,

676
00:29:55,784 --> 00:29:57,424
Speaker 1: I can't take that. Yeah, I don't know how to

677
00:29:57,424 --> 00:29:58,744
Speaker 1: say way in to their sex bit, so I'll say.

678
00:29:58,784 --> 00:30:00,944
Speaker 1: She also talked about her career in the interview. Not

679
00:30:00,944 --> 00:30:03,824
Speaker 1: anyone cares about that. I do, deeply. I care so

680
00:30:04,024 --> 00:30:07,704
Speaker 1: much because the interviewers said she's had two big Oscar

681
00:30:07,744 --> 00:30:10,824
Speaker 1: snumbs in her lifetime, in our lifetimes, one with in

682
00:30:10,904 --> 00:30:14,104
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven. For Selena, everyone that's valid her first

683
00:30:14,184 --> 00:30:17,064
Speaker 1: big acting role and everyone's like, she's incredible, She's getting

684
00:30:17,144 --> 00:30:21,304
Speaker 1: an Oscar nomination. She didn't. And then twenty nineteen for Hustlers,

685
00:30:21,424 --> 00:30:23,424
Speaker 1: and that one, I think really hit her hard because

686
00:30:23,424 --> 00:30:25,184
Speaker 1: she thought she was one hundred ccent getting an Oscar

687
00:30:25,224 --> 00:30:30,664
Speaker 1: nomination and she was heartbroken, as detailed in her halftime

688
00:30:30,984 --> 00:30:34,144
Speaker 1: Netflix special where you see her wake up very early

689
00:30:34,184 --> 00:30:35,504
Speaker 1: in the morning and look at her phone and see

690
00:30:35,544 --> 00:30:37,064
Speaker 1: that she has not been nominated for an Oscar and

691
00:30:37,104 --> 00:30:37,944
Speaker 1: she's really upset.

692
00:30:38,104 --> 00:30:39,984
Speaker 2: She was, and there's been a lot of chat about

693
00:30:39,984 --> 00:30:42,624
Speaker 2: that now that Mikey Madison won for ANRA because at

694
00:30:42,624 --> 00:30:44,744
Speaker 2: the time when Jayla wasn't nominated, it was like, oh,

695
00:30:44,784 --> 00:30:46,384
Speaker 2: what's because she's portraying.

696
00:30:45,984 --> 00:30:49,024
Speaker 1: Like someone who's in this industry, And then it was yeah,

697
00:30:49,144 --> 00:30:52,504
Speaker 1: Academy loves when women. They love when men play like

698
00:30:52,544 --> 00:30:56,104
Speaker 1: these kind of complicated heroes. And then the Academy very

699
00:30:56,104 --> 00:30:59,904
Speaker 1: famously love women who play to give them oscars prostitutes

700
00:30:59,944 --> 00:31:01,904
Speaker 1: and maids and those kind of and.

701
00:31:01,864 --> 00:31:03,544
Speaker 2: They also love them to be like twenty two, your

702
00:31:03,584 --> 00:31:05,344
Speaker 2: men have to be like fifty yeah.

703
00:31:05,224 --> 00:31:06,984
Speaker 1: Exactly, because they're like, you have to be an entreenew

704
00:31:07,064 --> 00:31:10,344
Speaker 1: to win, and so Jennifer Olpez was asked about Kiss

705
00:31:10,424 --> 00:31:12,264
Speaker 1: Spider Woman because's a lot of chat around that because

706
00:31:12,264 --> 00:31:14,384
Speaker 1: it's based on a very famous book. It's then a

707
00:31:14,424 --> 00:31:17,224
Speaker 1: Tony Award winning musical, it is now a movie. Jenna

708
00:31:17,224 --> 00:31:19,424
Speaker 1: Fhi Lopez desperately wanted to be in this movie. She

709
00:31:19,464 --> 00:31:21,424
Speaker 1: made it happen. There's a lot of chat this could

710
00:31:21,464 --> 00:31:23,424
Speaker 1: be her next Oscar run. So in this interview they

711
00:31:23,424 --> 00:31:25,224
Speaker 1: said to her, like, are you going again for an

712
00:31:25,264 --> 00:31:28,184
Speaker 1: Oscar and are you expecting it? And she said, I'm

713
00:31:28,224 --> 00:31:31,304
Speaker 1: not expecting it. I learned my lesson last time, j Lo.

714
00:31:31,904 --> 00:31:34,384
Speaker 1: But then she said, I think the joy for me

715
00:31:34,704 --> 00:31:37,224
Speaker 1: is in doing it every single moment. It's just a

716
00:31:37,264 --> 00:31:40,424
Speaker 1: great conversation that you're doing the work that people recognize

717
00:31:40,464 --> 00:31:42,744
Speaker 1: and they love you, and that's enough. And to that,

718
00:31:42,824 --> 00:31:45,424
Speaker 1: I say, there's a lie. It was not that Longe

719
00:31:45,424 --> 00:31:47,664
Speaker 1: don't think it's enough for her. It's human nature. She

720
00:31:47,704 --> 00:31:49,624
Speaker 1: wants so bad. Of course she wants something.

721
00:31:49,704 --> 00:31:51,384
Speaker 2: You kind of wonder sometimes you're like, there has to

722
00:31:51,424 --> 00:31:53,664
Speaker 2: be a tear of actor where you go. I will

723
00:31:53,664 --> 00:31:55,504
Speaker 2: be happy if I keep getting cast in things, but

724
00:31:55,544 --> 00:31:57,424
Speaker 2: I never expect an Oscar. But you think she's on

725
00:31:57,464 --> 00:31:58,824
Speaker 2: the wrong. Who's going no, I've been.

726
00:31:59,264 --> 00:32:02,264
Speaker 1: I think she's now that she's had two big kind

727
00:32:02,304 --> 00:32:04,744
Speaker 1: of disappointments. I think now she feels like she has

728
00:32:04,784 --> 00:32:07,024
Speaker 1: to come full circle and get the Oscar. We were

729
00:32:07,064 --> 00:32:09,704
Speaker 1: saying yesterday, abou Taylor Swift still chasing an Oscar and

730
00:32:09,744 --> 00:32:12,384
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift still chasing Grammys. You get to the stage

731
00:32:12,384 --> 00:32:14,024
Speaker 1: where you have all the big movie roles, you have

732
00:32:14,104 --> 00:32:16,544
Speaker 1: so much money, you have so much fame, and so

733
00:32:16,664 --> 00:32:19,104
Speaker 1: then you're just chasing this one little thing that you

734
00:32:19,184 --> 00:32:22,104
Speaker 1: can't really buy. You can kind of buy an Oscar,

735
00:32:22,144 --> 00:32:25,224
Speaker 1: but not completely. And it's kind of interesting because, like

736
00:32:25,664 --> 00:32:28,584
Speaker 1: Selena is the reason she then had a music career.

737
00:32:28,624 --> 00:32:30,864
Speaker 1: She wasn't a musician who became an actress, which is

738
00:32:30,944 --> 00:32:33,664
Speaker 1: like somehow how she ended up being seen. So I

739
00:32:33,664 --> 00:32:36,064
Speaker 1: think she's seen as like not a real actress by

740
00:32:36,104 --> 00:32:37,864
Speaker 1: some people. So that's probably why it means so much

741
00:32:37,904 --> 00:32:39,944
Speaker 1: to her as well, Right, yeah, one hundred percent. And

742
00:32:39,984 --> 00:32:41,744
Speaker 1: can I just say, I know this is probably the

743
00:32:41,784 --> 00:32:43,984
Speaker 1: wrong take, but I'll just say it is that I

744
00:32:44,064 --> 00:32:45,824
Speaker 1: kind of really want her to win an Oscar because

745
00:32:45,864 --> 00:32:48,104
Speaker 1: I feel like she's been through so much. I don't

746
00:32:48,144 --> 00:32:52,624
Speaker 1: know why I'm seeing Jennifer Lopez as an underdog, You're like, oh, Jennifer.

747
00:32:53,584 --> 00:32:56,664
Speaker 1: Actresses who star in smaller indie movies and they get

748
00:32:56,704 --> 00:32:59,304
Speaker 1: one shot in their career, like, they'll never get to

749
00:32:59,304 --> 00:33:01,704
Speaker 1: that height again. There's so many actresses whose names go

750
00:33:01,784 --> 00:33:04,464
Speaker 1: on to like the long list every year, who works

751
00:33:04,504 --> 00:33:06,824
Speaker 1: steadily but are not usually in the Oscar race. And

752
00:33:06,824 --> 00:33:08,944
Speaker 1: then when they don't get their nomination, that's a bigger

753
00:33:08,984 --> 00:33:11,944
Speaker 1: thing because that nomination have changed their career, Like and Austin.

754
00:33:11,984 --> 00:33:14,544
Speaker 1: Nomination is not going to change Jennifer Lopez's career. No,

755
00:33:14,744 --> 00:33:16,184
Speaker 1: but I just feel really bad for her and I

756
00:33:16,224 --> 00:33:17,784
Speaker 1: want her to have one. I really want her to

757
00:33:17,784 --> 00:33:19,864
Speaker 1: have one too. I love Jennifhi Lopez, but I love

758
00:33:19,944 --> 00:33:22,824
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lopez the actress. I have big separation between her

759
00:33:22,824 --> 00:33:24,744
Speaker 1: acting and her music. Person you don't like you don't

760
00:33:24,784 --> 00:33:25,384
Speaker 1: like her music.

761
00:33:25,424 --> 00:33:27,224
Speaker 2: No, I like her music, but I have beef with

762
00:33:27,304 --> 00:33:29,144
Speaker 2: where it comes from and what she did.

763
00:33:29,024 --> 00:33:31,304
Speaker 1: To get it. Why what do you mean? There's big

764
00:33:31,384 --> 00:33:33,664
Speaker 1: dramas like let's get loud. Oh my god, that's a

765
00:33:33,824 --> 00:33:37,184
Speaker 1: generational hit. Law of course, I love that song the way,

766
00:33:37,344 --> 00:33:39,384
Speaker 1: but you know, like the phrase Mariah Carrey, where she

767
00:33:39,464 --> 00:33:41,824
Speaker 1: was like asked, like, you know about Jennifer Lopez, and

768
00:33:41,824 --> 00:33:43,584
Speaker 1: she said, I don't know her. Yeah.

769
00:33:43,664 --> 00:33:46,664
Speaker 2: That stems from like this really long running industry beef

770
00:33:46,704 --> 00:33:49,504
Speaker 2: between like Jennifer Lopez, Mariah Carey, and a bunch of

771
00:33:49,544 --> 00:33:52,624
Speaker 2: other artists with music because Jayla was renowned for like

772
00:33:53,264 --> 00:33:56,144
Speaker 2: stealing songs out from under people. I know she also

773
00:33:56,224 --> 00:33:58,704
Speaker 2: has full blown like sections of some of her songs

774
00:33:58,704 --> 00:34:01,744
Speaker 2: where she's not even singing. I've heard that, but is

775
00:34:01,784 --> 00:34:04,464
Speaker 2: that real. I've seen this woman live, I've met her personally.

776
00:34:04,504 --> 00:34:06,344
Speaker 2: I never herd sing personally, like up close, just to

777
00:34:06,384 --> 00:34:08,464
Speaker 2: me in a room. Yeah, but she can sing. You know,

778
00:34:08,624 --> 00:34:10,544
Speaker 2: she can sing. It's not about the fact that she

779
00:34:10,584 --> 00:34:13,624
Speaker 2: can't sing. Yeah, it's like weirdly that somehow she just

780
00:34:14,144 --> 00:34:17,304
Speaker 2: took songs off of people. So, like Diddy was the

781
00:34:17,344 --> 00:34:19,824
Speaker 2: one who helped her produce on the Six, which was

782
00:34:19,864 --> 00:34:22,584
Speaker 2: her like album, the first one that she did, and

783
00:34:22,944 --> 00:34:24,584
Speaker 2: like if You Had My Love, which was the number

784
00:34:24,624 --> 00:34:27,544
Speaker 2: one track from the album, it was stolen by Diddy

785
00:34:27,784 --> 00:34:30,344
Speaker 2: from an artist named Roxanne Shante and that was like

786
00:34:30,424 --> 00:34:32,184
Speaker 2: given to Jlo because he was like, well, yeah, I'll

787
00:34:32,184 --> 00:34:34,184
Speaker 2: make you a famous singer. And it just started this

788
00:34:34,224 --> 00:34:37,664
Speaker 2: pattern that eventually involved like Mariah Carey and like the

789
00:34:37,744 --> 00:34:40,624
Speaker 2: backing tune from a song Mariah wanted to reference, and

790
00:34:40,664 --> 00:34:43,424
Speaker 2: then Jlo referenced. She also did the same thing with

791
00:34:43,464 --> 00:34:45,704
Speaker 2: like the artist Amory and her song One Thing, which

792
00:34:45,704 --> 00:34:46,384
Speaker 2: sounded the same.

793
00:34:46,264 --> 00:34:47,304
Speaker 1: As Jayla's Get Right.

794
00:34:47,344 --> 00:34:49,664
Speaker 2: So it was just this like repeated pattern, which like

795
00:34:49,704 --> 00:34:51,384
Speaker 2: I never knew at the time. I loved the songs,

796
00:34:51,384 --> 00:34:53,824
Speaker 2: but when you go back and you listen to the music,

797
00:34:53,864 --> 00:34:56,784
Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, that's fully not Jennifer Lopez singing in

798
00:34:56,824 --> 00:34:59,104
Speaker 2: some of the choruses of her songs. And also when

799
00:34:59,104 --> 00:35:01,584
Speaker 2: you find out that those artists were kind of let

800
00:35:01,664 --> 00:35:02,864
Speaker 2: down by record labels.

801
00:35:03,104 --> 00:35:05,864
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was just record label politics, where like

802
00:35:05,984 --> 00:35:08,184
Speaker 1: people fight over songs, and people bid for songs, and

803
00:35:08,184 --> 00:35:10,464
Speaker 1: people get given songs and they get taken away, and

804
00:35:10,504 --> 00:35:12,904
Speaker 1: it's like it's like a business going on behind the scenes.

805
00:35:12,944 --> 00:35:14,904
Speaker 1: Like you're saying that that's one side of it, and

806
00:35:14,944 --> 00:35:17,944
Speaker 1: the other side that she's like lifting music from other people.

807
00:35:17,984 --> 00:35:19,864
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily always think it was her. I think

808
00:35:19,864 --> 00:35:21,584
Speaker 2: it could have been she worked with I mean, part

809
00:35:21,584 --> 00:35:23,424
Speaker 2: of it was Diddy producing the album for Hole. I

810
00:35:23,464 --> 00:35:26,344
Speaker 2: believe he would steal and but say, like in twenty fourteen,

811
00:35:26,384 --> 00:35:28,944
Speaker 2: a shanty said that like jar Ruhl wrote I'm Real

812
00:35:29,104 --> 00:35:31,064
Speaker 2: and she wrote ain't it funny? And she did the

813
00:35:31,104 --> 00:35:33,264
Speaker 2: demo record and then she was really mad when it

814
00:35:33,344 --> 00:35:34,904
Speaker 2: was stolen. But she's also like, well, I guess I'm

815
00:35:34,904 --> 00:35:36,944
Speaker 2: happy because it's Jaelo, so my name's getting out there.

816
00:35:36,984 --> 00:35:39,424
Speaker 2: But like a shanty, famous woman like this was happening

817
00:35:39,424 --> 00:35:41,584
Speaker 2: to a lot of people behind the scenes. So it

818
00:35:41,664 --> 00:35:43,944
Speaker 2: eventually involved Mariah Carey and that's actually where that I

819
00:35:43,984 --> 00:35:46,184
Speaker 2: don't know her beef kind of came from so as

820
00:35:46,224 --> 00:35:48,584
Speaker 2: much as Jalo. It was a diva off and Jalo

821
00:35:48,664 --> 00:35:50,104
Speaker 2: kind of tries to make fun of it and be like,

822
00:35:50,144 --> 00:35:52,144
Speaker 2: oh I know her, ha ha ha, and it's like, no,

823
00:35:52,344 --> 00:35:54,504
Speaker 2: this this beef has a bit of legs. I could

824
00:35:54,544 --> 00:35:56,144
Speaker 2: talk for hours, but I actually can't because we're on

825
00:35:56,144 --> 00:35:58,824
Speaker 2: a podcast right now. But it does make me think

826
00:35:58,904 --> 00:36:00,664
Speaker 2: Jaylo the singer, well.

827
00:36:00,464 --> 00:36:01,864
Speaker 1: If you want to hear more of that story, let

828
00:36:01,944 --> 00:36:05,224
Speaker 1: us know, because well, so for documented guys, she wins

829
00:36:05,224 --> 00:36:07,744
Speaker 1: an oscar and she gets up on stage and she goes, hey,

830
00:36:08,064 --> 00:36:10,144
Speaker 1: a shanty, I did steal that. I did steal that

831
00:36:10,184 --> 00:36:11,864
Speaker 1: m and I'm so sorry and it led me to

832
00:36:11,904 --> 00:36:13,824
Speaker 1: this moment. So this is for you, this is for you,

833
00:36:13,864 --> 00:36:18,384
Speaker 1: and then she breaks part off like it's like this

834
00:36:18,504 --> 00:36:23,224
Speaker 1: is for Mariah. That's my dream. Well, I'm excited for

835
00:36:23,224 --> 00:36:24,784
Speaker 1: because of the Settleman and for her. Her Win an't

836
00:36:24,784 --> 00:36:28,144
Speaker 1: Oscar problematic as she is the best the actress. What

837
00:36:28,184 --> 00:36:30,664
Speaker 1: a girl. I'm rooting for that one. Well, thank you

838
00:36:30,704 --> 00:36:32,864
Speaker 1: so much for listening to the Spill today. And look,

839
00:36:32,904 --> 00:36:34,904
Speaker 1: it was a very visual episode. So what I'm going

840
00:36:34,984 --> 00:36:36,584
Speaker 1: to say on that is make sure that you are

841
00:36:36,624 --> 00:36:38,944
Speaker 1: also watching us on YouTube. We put all of our

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Speaker 1: episodes up in there on full. Just search the Spill

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Speaker 1: post to our Instagram not Crazy today on that. This

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Speaker 1: Spill is produced by Minishismarron with sound production by Scott Stronik.

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Speaker 1: And we'll see you back here on your podcast feed

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