WEBVTT - Um, WTF Is Going On With Gwyneth & A Very Beckham Weekend 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:05.040 Hello, and welcome to Mom and me are out loud. 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:07.480 It's what women are actually talking about on Monday, the 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:10.120 fifteenth of June. I'm Holly Wayne Wright, I'm. 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:11.760 Claire Stephens and I'm Amelia Wister. 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:16.079 And here's what's made our agenda for today. Gwyneth Paltrow 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:19.720 has made a lot of people extremely furious. 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:24.160 We explain, have the Beckhams overplayed their hands this time? 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:26.960 Plus is swimming in the ocean a thing of the 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:29.680 past for many Australians now. 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:32.839 But first look, in case you missed it, I was 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:36.800 away last week and Claire Stevens upset a lot of 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:40.000 people with some comments you made. Hi. They weren't political, 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:43.919 they weren't outrageous. They were about sport. 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:46.279 I'm a shamed. 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:50.800 I people in my life are annoyed me, but most 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:53.360 of all, more importantly, the out louders are annoyed me. 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:55.240 Look, I was I. 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.240 Go away for a week and sports correspondent Claire Stevens 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:00.880 goes rogue. You were talking about the Knicks, the New 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:04.959 York Knicks who've just won the championships. For the celebrity favorites, 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:06.720 Da Da Da Da Da, and you were talking about 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:10.360 the phenomena, the pop culture phenomena of that. And Claire 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.080 said that, and I have to say that I found 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:16.119 it a little strange. I love you, but I grew 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:19.840 up in England, where football is a religion and people 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.680 get very excited about it. We live in Australia, where 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:26.720 sport again big part of the cultural identity. But you 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:30.000 said that sporting excitement was an American thing. 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:33.679 Okay, Firstly, you're only annoyed at me because I made 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:37.720 fun of your coffee order, and there was also that. Secondly, 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:41.720 I didn't word myself perfectly. What I meant is that 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:45.240 when I've been at American sporting events, there is an 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:51.279 earnestness that doesn't exist elsewhere, for example, and I think 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:54.880 I may specifically be thinking of the national anthem. When 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:58.160 Americans sing the national anthem at the beginning of a 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:02.480 sporting matt they like cry, I. 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:04.559 Think you're doing are definitely digging. 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:08.400 The Australians don't do that. Our lover's sport is more 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:09.480 fun and more lighthearted. 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.760 Okay, Well, those of us who decided that what you 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:15.240 said with the Australians don't care about sport, and I 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:16.760 know that's not what you said, but when have we 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:18.919 ever left truth get in the way of a good story. 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.840 I found it confusing, So did the eighteen thousand people 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.280 who packed out Melbourne's Federation Square and an overflow venue 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:29.320 yesterday afternoon to watch the first soccer whose game of 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:30.839 the World Cup. Are you aware of what the World 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:31.360 Cup is? 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:34.400 I am, and my timing in heimsha. 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:39.000 Because Australia is about to get one of its contagious 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:42.080 excitements because the soccer is first game went well. This 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.639 is where we all remember, basically that men play football too, 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.000 because all the countries in the world are in America 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:47.680 playing football. 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:47.840 I know. 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:49.560 I heard World Cup and I was like oh, and 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:52.480 then I saw men and I was like, oh, anyway. 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:55.160 The soccer is won and it wasn't actually expected Turkya. 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:57.239 They were playing in Turkya before. We're doing some shit 0:02:57.320 --> 0:02:59.600 talking and saying like and people said this a very 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:02.040 average team. Da da da dah. The fact that soccer 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:04.520 is one mean that everybody is going to be going 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:08.240 absolutely nuts for this. Claire, learn the names Nestari Eron 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.520 Kunda and Connor Metcalf. They scored the goals yesterday. You're 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.800 going to need to know those to join in the fund. 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:16.480 Do you have any official apologies you want to? 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:17.880 Where's your notes app? 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:21.240 I know I actually do need to post a notes 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:25.440 ap apology, don't I Everyone did go nuts yesterday, didn't 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:30.600 They did? And I went over to Jesse's house and 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:34.640 her husband had all the children were crying because he 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:39.280 had yelled so loudly that they thought he was angry. 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:43.760 We were sharing videos within our family group chat of 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:49.240 random family members just absolutely losing it. There were friends 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:52.080 who were like, I don't know anything about football, but 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:54.360 I'm at the pub with my with my child. 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:56.800 Who's who's holding Australian flat? 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:57.120 You know what? 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:57.600 Love? 0:03:57.640 --> 0:03:59.840 We love a bandwagon? Oh yes, we're going to be 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.240 soccer barnwagon from here till next Tuesday. The next soccer 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.360 use game, not that anybody cares honestly, is at five 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:09.080 am Saturday morning. We're playing America and of course the 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.360 state of origin this Wednesday night. Nobody cares about that either. 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:16.080 Okay, I'm embarrassed, and as somebody who came as somebody 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.920 who came from a rugby league family growing up, I 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:24.520 hope my extended family weren't listening to that. Soak, I 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:28.040 thought I'd change the topic to save myself. So in 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:31.480 case you missed it. On Sunday evening, which is Monday 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:35.400 morning here in Australia, President Donald Trump announced a peace 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:39.200 agreement between the US and Iran. The deal with the 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:42.920 Islamic Republic of Iran is now complete. Congratulations to all, 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:47.039 he wrote, I hereby fully authorized the toll free opening 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:48.200 of the Strait of Homewoods. 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:51.640 I think he's just using here by the sound fancy. 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:56.560 Yeah, because then he said, and simultaneously here with authorize 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.680 the immediate removal of the United States Naval blockade. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.640 Imagine he's like a medieval court jester when he makes 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:04.240 these pronouncements. 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:05.960 And it's like, mate, every other one of your bloody 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:08.640 truth social post has typos in it, like it's not 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:12.119 part of your brand. He then wrote, this great deal 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:15.040 will bring peace and security to the whole region. Many 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.800 presidents have tried to make peace with Iran and all 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.279 have failed. Before me, the leaders of the region have 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:22.800 for the first time found a president who can help 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:26.080 them achieve real peace now. In the lead up to 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:31.040 the news, representatives of the Islamic Republic said that Trump 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:35.280 had an unusual insistence that the deal would coincide with 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:37.159 his eightieth birthday, and that's. 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:38.440 What I wondered if it was a present. 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:42.359 Yeah, He's like, oh, nothing like a deadline. For some reason, 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:45.919 it was his eightieth birthday. He's also celebrating his adth 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.159 by hosting a UFC event on the lawn of the 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.640 White House. So those things who among us has not 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:54.279 wished for that exactly. In response to the news, one 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:58.839 Congressman Seth Moulton criticized the economic and human toll of 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.840 the war, saying this it's a terrible deal. It's basically 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:05.000 a surrender document from Donald Trump to the Supreme Leader 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:08.080 of Iran. I mean, one hundred billion dollars of tax 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:11.600 payer money already put into this war, fourteen Americans dead, 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:13.960 and we get a deal that just reopens a strait 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:16.600 that was already opened before he started this stupid war. 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:17.720 How is that a win? 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:19.400 Amelia. 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:23.000 There's a lot we don't know about this peace agreement, 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:27.040 not in the least because there's so much political spin attached, 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:30.080 which you won't believe. But Trump, he gets very into 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.520 the spin. What do we know about what this means? 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:37.839 Yeah, it's a good question. Well, Iran has confirmed a ceasefire, agreement. 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:41.640 It's confirmed, specifically that there is an end to the 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:46.800 military conflict on all fronts, including in Lebanon. Not as 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:50.320 I said, Iran agreed to that. Israel may or may 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:53.920 not have agreed to the end of fighting in Lebanon, 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:55.880 and for that matter, Hesbla may or may not have 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:57.560 agreed to the end of fighting in Lebanon. But that 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:00.640 is what the US and Iran agreed. The second thing 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:03.560 that we know is that there is it does appear 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:08.520 like the US blockade of the Strait has ended, because that's, 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:10.640 by the way, why the strait wasn't open right now. 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:14.320 It's because the US had blocked the strait. So that's 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:14.960 worth noting. 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:18.200 Does that mean Amelia, I know, I don't know if 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:20.600 you could answer this or not. Is petrol about to 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:21.440 get cheap O again? 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:25.520 No, I don't think so, because we don't yet. So 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:27.560 that brings me to the things that we don't know. 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:29.200 And one of the things we don't know is whether 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:30.960 or not I Ran is going to start charging a 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.640 toll in the Strait of Hormootes, because one might say, 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:36.880 why wouldn't they because they've realized now what leverage they 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:40.080 have over people. So we don't actually know what's going 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.360 to happen with that, and we don't know what's happened 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.840 with the nuclear program, which was his whole ostensible reason 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:45.560 for starting the war. 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.400 Trump did say that it was a toll free opening 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:50.880 of the strait. Oh well, Trump said, Trump says it. 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.280 That's kind of like, yeah, Trump doesn't own the Strait 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:55.800 of Hormootes, so it doesn't really matter what Trump says 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:57.640 about it. But I do think it's right that he 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:58.920 wanted it done for his birthday. 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.440 Yeah, a piece of fit. You think it's been three 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:07.960 weeks of escalating Gwyneth's crisis crises in fact, and look, 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.280 I was away last week when the really big one hit, 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:14.600 but my DMS took a smashing. I am associated with 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:17.480 Gwyneth Paltrow and I would now like to be removed 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:18.320 from this narrative. 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:21.440 Please, it is I would there needs to be a 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:26.640 historical study about how Hollywayinwright became because you really do 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:29.800 like when I see Gwyneth do something, I'm like, oh god, Holly, 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:32.680 and last. 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:35.640 Week in particular, that was not good for me. Let 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:39.680 me explain some of these things, because they're sort of silly, 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:43.600 to surprising, to completely shocking, right, what sort of happened 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:48.360 Week one was a regular gate am I saying sorry 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:50.800 because here in Australia we just call that rocket. It's 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.280 the green stuff I grow it in my garden. Flex 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:57.880 Gwyneth is using rocket in a very upsetting way. We've 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:00.000 got a little grab of her on the US Today 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:04.839 Show talking to Savannah Guthrie about where she puts her arugular. 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:07.680 You want to avoid dairy. One trick that I do 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.640 is I dice up arugula and I. 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:12.200 Put it in. 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.120 Really it sounds weird, but it kind of adds like 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.320 a nice texture to it and it's delicious. 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:18.280 Now. 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:24.079 I like rocket. I eat it quite a lot. Salad, parmesan, tomatoes, yum. 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:28.720 Dairy substitute question mark doesn't make any sense. Some of 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.840 my favorite comments in response to this were I replace 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:35.559 my chicken with marshmallows, and sometimes when I want a salad, 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:38.680 I make a margarita. And that's really where we're at. 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:42.320 It's like, that's it's not I have to google is it? 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:42.839 There? Is? 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:46.239 Is rocket dairy? No? 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:49.640 No, it's really not. Even if you don't know much 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:53.640 about that, it's really really not. Then things took a 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:57.160 more serious and surprising turn. Gwenneth has a podcast called 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:01.480 Goop Up. Yes, I listened to it. 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.160 Listen to this particular episode. 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.760 No, I was busy. I did not listen to this, 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:09.360 but for reasons that I don't understand. She had a 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:12.880 man on there called Trey stevens Now. He runs a 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:18.440 military tech company which makes missiles and combat drones, and 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:22.320 Gwyneth and Trey discussed, among other things, why Jesus would 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:26.000 be cool with Trey selling weapons of war. This already 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:29.440 made a lot of people angry. This was after a 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:32.920 clip had surfaced of Gwyneth where she was talking about politics. 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:35.559 The bit that you might have seen that went quite 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:39.640 viral was Gwyneth was talking about her politics, and she 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.360 was basically saying that these days she's neither left nor right, 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.319 and her husband's very progressive and he basically thinks she's 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:48.719 a Republican, but she doesn't feel anything anymore. Gwyneth was 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:51.960 talking about her own political positioning, and this is what 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:52.719 she said. 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.720 I noticed with my own husband, who's the best person 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:59.000 ever in the world. He's so progressive, Like he has 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:02.800 such a sweet heart and he wants to like make 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:07.360 sure everybody's looked after I'm pretty centrist and my husband 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:12.360 thinks I'm a Republican, which I'm not a Republican. I mean, 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.920 I don't feel anything right now, to be totally honest 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.319 with you, I feel like I'm completely an independent. 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:19.480 She's so condescending to Brad. 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:22.360 Brad, Oh, he's such a good person. 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:23.120 That's what. 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:25.760 It's a very American thing to almost be. 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:27.800 Oh, Claire, be careful. 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:32.720 To be like, you're a do gooder, you know what 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:35.719 I mean, Like, oh, you're such a do good like like, oh, 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:37.840 he's such a good persons. 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.400 Think that a lot of people on the right like 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:42.600 to love a people on the left is that they're 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:45.719 just sort of unrealistic and just soppy. 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:49.000 Whereas Gwyneth in that interview talks a lot about how, 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.560 you know, we've got darkness and light within us, and 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:53.880 it's it's a battle for both. 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.360 And it's like a conversation to have with a missile dealer. 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:59.240 Yeah it's okay to make missiles because I feel kind 0:11:59.240 --> 0:11:59.880 of weird about. 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.880 It, think that that podcast was spun. Can't why would 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:05.439 she have an arms dealer on her show, Like I 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:07.600 shouldn't say armstealer, arms manufacturer? 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:11.600 Be really clear about the distinction. None of this makes 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.600 any sense to me, Ami, because we're about to discuss 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:19.000 the final Gwyneth controversy, and then we're really out tokay, 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:23.439 as they say, right, But then the third Gwyneth controversy 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.840 landed when she appeared in an ad for a luxury 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:30.720 apartment complex called fifty one Park, which happens to be 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:35.640 located just north of Tel Aviv in Israel. Deciding to 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:39.520 advertise luxury apartments in Israel at this particular moment is 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:44.319 at the very least and interesting decision. The company involved 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.920 also runs a commercial real estate company in the occupied 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.200 West Bank, which is about thirty kilometers away from the 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:55.160 apartment building Gwyneth is advertising, and in fact Gaza is 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:58.800 only about eighty kilometers from fifty one Park, So the 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.040 ad itself not going to play you. A bit of 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:03.840 it shows gwyneths getting ready in the morning early as 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:07.120 she would. As she does, she says, even her coffee 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:07.720 needs coffee. 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:09.000 Yeah, it's really bad writing. 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:13.000 Then she's got really her fancy active. Weear on and 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:14.920 she goes for a run through what appears to be 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:17.800 Central Park, and it was apparently filmed in a closed 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:20.040 set in New York. She was there two weeks ago, 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:22.480 not that I track her whereabouts, so maybe even as 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.160 recently as that, who knows. She runs through Central Park, 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:27.360 then she comes back to this very fancy apartment block 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:30.160 that is all very New York coded, with a dorman 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:31.720 and all that kind of thing. And then as she 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.839 comes back out of it, someone asks her. She says, 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.680 it's a reason why all great apartment buildings are built 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:40.160 near parks. And someone says Central Park, and she says no, 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:43.440 and then says the name of the development Israel. It 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.600 is a strange ad in and of itself. And then 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:50.720 finding out where this apartment block was, Claire, I'm gonna 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:54.880 I'm gonna explore my position on Gwyneth, given that we 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:59.280 are inextricably linked somehow. Now, but can you see any 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:01.520 good reason for to have made these recent moves? 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:04.160 This ad like I've seen. 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:10.400 I saw the arugula thing, and then I missed the 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.280 weapons manufacturer. And when I saw this, I thought it 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.520 was AI. I thought it was I thought it was 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.360 a fake because it's a very bad ad. It's a 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:23.640 really bad because it's not a good quality ad. But 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:29.680 the thing that just baffles me is so It was 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:33.600 shot in New York, and she has a line where 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.160 she says, there's a reason the world's most iconic buildings 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:39.040 are by a park, fifty one park, And it's like, 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:41.440 do we want to talk about what else this is? 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:41.800 Bye? 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:47.960 Like it's just so incredibly dystopian. People have said it's 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:52.600 quite zone of interest, Like it's just it's giving a 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:57.760 complete ignorance to what is going on in that region. 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.760 And you just look at it and go, did you 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.360 think about this for five minutes before you said yes? 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:06.840 And I see why they're saying it, But it is 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:10.160 an ad for apartment buildings and not an op ed 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:11.120 in the newspaper. 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.480 And I wonder if in doing. 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:18.000 This very sort of shoddily made ad, Gwyneth is kind 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.520 of goading us because she knows this is going to 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:23.680 be the response, And maybe she's trying to prove some 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.320 point that like, oh, I can't even make an ad anymore. 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:27.560 I can't even make an ad. 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.480 I'm I'm not doing I'm not protesting anything, I'm not 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.520 writing an op ed. I'm not manufacturing arms. I know. 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.640 But then when you tie it with the manufacturing arms guy, 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.680 that was weird. Assuming that Gwyneth is not ignorant of 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:43.240 what's going on in that region. There is only one explanation. 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:45.840 Who's not ignorant of it? The weapons manufacturer. 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:50.440 Yeah, exactly right. There is only really one explanation for 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.840 her fronting this campaign, and that's that they paid her 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.960 an enormous amount of money. Do we think, yes, they? 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:00.720 I mean they must have been surely an advertise something. 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:02.720 Well, this is what it brings us to. Right, So, 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.000 assuming that Gwyneth Paltrow was offered an obscene amount of 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:10.720 money to front this apartment block, how and why did 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:13.920 she possibly think that this was a good idea for 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:14.440 her brand. 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:18.240 I think it's feature, not bug for her. I think 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:20.720 some people would look at this and see it as 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:24.840 the next step in Gwyneth being really savvy about which 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:28.120 way the wind is blowing. And we are seeing a 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:31.960 right wood turn in culture at the moment. The rich 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:36.960 and the powerful are riching and powerful. Ng Elon Musk 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.560 just this weekend became the world's first trillionaire, according to 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.560 Fortune magazine, And rather than look on that as a 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:46.440 kind of like sign of the decay of humanity. 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.080 A lot of people were super happy about it. 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:52.160 In fact, it was individual investors who put their own 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.960 money into this that led to Elon Musk becoming the 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:56.080 world's first trillionaire. 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.480 So I just think we're in a moment. 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:06.080 Where liberal doogle is seen as sort of passe, unrealistic, 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:09.560 and it's certainly not where the money and the power is. 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:15.200 So Gwyneth is famous for riding controversies, right she If 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.760 you ever have listened to the Goop podcast, maybe not 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:20.160 the one with the arms Deeeler, but any other, you'll 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:22.800 actually here at the beginning of quote from Oprah, famous 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:27.160 quote from Oprah right where she says, when you are 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:30.840 pioneering anything or introducing new ideas to the culture, you 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:33.680 get criticized. And then Gwyneth goes, you do, I wouldn't 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:35.600 know anything about that, and they have a little chuckle, 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:37.800 and I guess the idea is in. Gwyneth has said 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:41.359 this lots of times that she believes, you know, the 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:43.760 whole jade egg of it all, the vagina jade egg, 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:48.199 the vagina steaming thing, those kind of controversies that she 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:52.879 has weathered, that she has used those for publicity for 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:55.520 Goop to kind of she now says, oh, well, I 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:57.760 was just ahead of my time. Which is interesting to 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.159 your point just then, Amelia about whether she's reading the 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:05.280 ruins on that. But this feels different because if you 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:09.000 now go to any of Gwyneth's posts, because as I say, 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:11.280 she didn't post this, And there was a time, once 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:14.159 upon a time when famous Hollywood people would go to 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:15.960 all kinds of corners of the world and make ads 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:19.440 for questionable things in the sort of assumption that no 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:22.280 one who matters in inverted commas is ever going to 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:24.720 see this ad. But those days are gone, and Gwyneth 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.200 knows that, right. But if you go to Gwinnisfeed or 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:29.439 Goop's feed, this ad is nowhere to be seen. But 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.640 every comment on all her other things, so she's in 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.760 New York to promote goop Eats or whatever it's called, 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:39.040 Goop Kitchen, every comment is about this, and they are 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:42.720 vehemently saying, you know, calling her names, as I alluded 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:47.000 to in the intro, like it has overtaken her brand 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:51.240 for a moment, and putting aside the actual ethics of 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:53.080 I mean, she's the one who says my husband is 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:55.200 the best person in the world and he's really progressive, 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:57.879 putting aside. I know, it's very hard to do that, 0:18:57.880 --> 0:18:59.760 putting aside the ethics of whether or not you should 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:03.560 do this. Isn't this just a stupid idea for someone 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:05.440 who's trying to sell us salads? 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:06.600 You mean cheese? 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:08.400 Oh? Yes, that's right. 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:13.240 She said before in a Harvard Business School lecture that basically, 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.800 like part of her strategy is to have these viral 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:20.800 uproars and then monetize those eyeballs, and in a twenty 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:26.920 eighteen New York Times profile, the author wrote, Goop has 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:29.359 learnt to do a special kind of dark art to 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:32.080 coral the vitriol of the internet and the ever present 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:35.960 shall we call it cultural ambivalence about Gwyneth Paltrow herself 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.959 and turn them into cash. The thing I'm interested in 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:46.439 here is, I mean, it's so the anger is obviously 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:49.760 just so predictable what people are going to say. And 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.840 there are countless op eds, and there are countless TikTok 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:58.159 analyses of this ad, and I mean just really interesting 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:02.000 points about having a luxury apartment. Bloh, where the level 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:04.720 of luxury there's a Pilates pool. I'm like, I didn't, 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:06.560 I had to google what a Pilartes's pool was. The 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:10.840 level of luxury next to like, not far from where 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:15.120 one point seven million people are starving and sick and 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:21.399 it's horrific and homeless and homeless, and for her to 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:28.440 not see that contrast is so bizarre. But then at 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:32.320 the same time it tracks with the with the brand 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:38.880 of kind of unapologetic privilege. And I wonder if because 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:42.600 she is blonde and because she is beautiful, she is 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:44.560 immune from people seeing her as dangerous. 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:45.760 Do you know what I mean? 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:48.840 I think the opposite in a way. I because as 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:51.160 somebody who and I want to be clear about something here. 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:52.879 I often say this on the show, and I know 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:55.800 not everybody agrees or can get a handle on it. 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:57.600 I am really interested in lots of people who I 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:00.480 disagree with, right, so I don't when is one of 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:03.720 those public figures, pop culture figures who fascinates me. It 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:06.080 doesn't necessarily mean I love her, that I like her, 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:08.400 that I endorse her, but she's someone I can't look 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:12.000 away from. And I don't think you have to agree 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:16.120 with everybody's politics in order to, you know, find them interesting. 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:21.160 But the thing about this is this shows exactly that 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:24.520 Gwynneth is exactly who everybody said she was. Do you 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:26.800 know what I mean the people who have always thought 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:33.520 she's just a blonde, privileged, dangerous person. Perhaps that people 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:35.639 have been saying that about Gwyneth for a very long time, 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:38.600 and people like me go, oh but Jade Eggs lol. 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:45.480 You know, but this, this level of tone deafness, confirms 0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:46.760 all of those that. 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:50.640 You said before. Does she not see the contrast? You 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:53.280 just use the word tone deaf. I don't think that 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:56.199 either of those is right, because I think that that 0:21:56.359 --> 0:22:00.720 implies that like she's made a mistake or an error. 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:04.640 But she is not making an error or a mistake. 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:07.600 She is not just failing to see the contrast or 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:10.760 failing to understand this is torn to She wants to 0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:15.359 do this and the reason why she wants to do 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:18.960 it is because what she's always been best at is 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:22.359 reading the room, and the room right now loves money 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:24.080 and power above all else. 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:25.840 And by room, I guess I mean consumers. 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:27.840 I guess I mean American consumers, if I'm going to 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:30.199 drill down on it more specifically. 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:34.960 And she has been turning for it, so Hollywood generally, 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:37.280 I mean, certainly gets criticism from President Trump for this 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:40.520 was always generally considered to be smaller liberal. You know 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:45.400 and progressive and creative. The creative community is all assumed, 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:48.439 and Gwyneth has been positioning herself away from that for 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:51.080 quite a long time. I've listened to interviews with her 0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:53.720 where she's talked about how fascinated she is by billionaires 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:55.760 and founders and tech people and all that stuff, and 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:59.960 that she clearly sees herself moving in those circles now, Amelia, 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:05.080 So you're absolutely right. Also, people like me who once 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:09.280 were like, oh, I find her interesting whatever, now going oh, 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:12.600 I don't think So that's not her concern because she knows, 0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:15.600 to Amelia's point, that the people who are commenting on 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:19.200 Instagram do not really have any power, but the people 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:22.080 who are building luxury apartment blocks wherever the hell they want, 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:27.040 all over the world do. And interestingly, the the agency 0:23:27.080 --> 0:23:29.199 who put this ad together put a note on LinkedIn 0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:32.360 saying to bring this architectural masterpiece to the Israeli audience, 0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:35.959 because that tells you this ad is for an Israeli audience, 0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:38.719 not for the world. We needed a figure who effortlessly 0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:45.040 embodied international elegance, a premium lifestyle, an uncompromising quality, enter 0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:48.800 Academy Award, Emmy and Golden Globe winner Gwyneth Poultra. 0:23:49.000 --> 0:23:51.120 I think you could also be for Americans, by the way, 0:23:51.280 --> 0:23:54.080 in addition to Israelis. And I think that there's a 0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:56.440 reason why they're trying to conflate New York and tell 0:23:56.480 --> 0:24:00.720 Aviva that ad. But I think that she's not just 0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:03.560 similar to Anana wind Tour in that, you know, Anna 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:05.199 Winter back in the day said I'm never going to 0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:07.600 put Kim kardashi In on the cover of Vogue, and 0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:10.920 then the winds changed and everyone became obsessed with Kim Kardashian. 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:13.639 She puts her on the cover of Vogue, and more recently, 0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:16.440 Lauren Sanchez Bezos has been on the cover of Vogue 0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:17.959 and her wedding was covered extensively. 0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:19.200 These people who. 0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:23.000 Who kind of set and defined the culture, this is 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:26.040 what they do. I mean, I'm not I'm not casting 0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:28.480 a judgment on it either way. I'm just saying that 0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:31.080 this is what they're good at, is kind of drawing 0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:35.720 out what's being left unsaid and making it making it in. 0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:39.760 I think the cultural point that we're at right now, 0:24:40.440 --> 0:24:45.840 where people love to criticize, cancel culture, there's power in 0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:48.399 like the backlash to the backlash. Yeah, so the fact 0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:54.040 that she's done this ad everybody who you know knows 0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:57.480 what's going on in that region says, Gwyneth, what the fuck? 0:24:57.640 --> 0:25:00.560 And then people say, oh, it's just all the work people. 0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:05.560 She can't even do an age, can't even say that strategy. 0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:07.720 It's like, that's that's part of the that's part of 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:08.240 the market. 0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:11.160 Surely though, there's an element here. Then She's just launched 0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:12.840 Groop Kitchen in the New York We talked about it 0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:14.440 the other week because I said I would love to 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:16.160 eat one of those salads, and one of our friends 0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:17.800 who lives and works in New York's had me a 0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:21.520 message confirming they were, in fact delicious. Surely this does 0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:24.919 hurt that kind of market New York hipsters who are 0:25:24.960 --> 0:25:28.720 excited about eating Goop Kitchen. Me as a basic, a 0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:32.800 basic person, I'm now like, no, I don't know about 0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:35.320 the salads. Now, Gwynn, I think this is the armstealer 0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:36.720 on the podcast really pushed me. 0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:42.480 I won't have you malign the second trunk Trump administration 0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:44.959 is so different to the first in terms of how 0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:47.800 the US has kind of metabolized it. 0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:49.560 Like the first was the pussy. 0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:51.560 Hats and the outrage and Melanie as I don't care, 0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:54.960 do you coat? And that you know every scandal would 0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:58.760 would bring it a predictable outrage and controversy with it. 0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:02.080 But this administration, people are tired. I think a lot 0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:05.560 of Americans have tuned out of politics altogether, and I 0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:09.479 think they see Gwyneth Israel controversy and they think, I 0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:12.120 just want my rocket salad. 0:26:12.760 --> 0:26:17.040 After the break. Is swimming in the open ocean going 0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:20.600 to be a thing of the past for Australians. Just 0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:23.959 after eleven am on Saturday morning, a thirty five year 0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:26.560 old woman was bitten by a shark while swimming about 0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:29.960 thirty meters from the shore at Sydney's popular Cuji Beach. 0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:34.040 Witnesses say the shark was three to four meters, with 0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:37.040 experts suspecting that it was a great white, which is 0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:41.119 incredibly rare in the area. The woman was airlifted to 0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:45.639 hospital and is currently in critical condition. It follows a 0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:49.120 spate of shark bites earlier this year, including a two 0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:52.760 day period in January where there were four reported shark 0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:57.080 encounters on Australia's East coast, including the fatality of a 0:26:57.119 --> 0:27:00.280 twelve year old boy in Sydney Harbor. But at the 0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:03.000 end of that week. The message to the public was 0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:06.800 very much about the conditions of the water, so we 0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:09.280 were told there were heavy rains in the previous days 0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:13.040 that contributes to dirtier, murkier water, as well as sewerage 0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:17.000 which attracts baitfish and ultimately sharks. That plus the fact 0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:20.240 that it was summer, the warm water temperature that created 0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:24.080 ideal conditions for the bull sharks believed to be responsible 0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:28.000 for those attacks. But this attack on Saturday was unique 0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:30.879 and different. It was clear water, it was winter, it 0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:33.800 was a great white. In the last month alone, a 0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:37.520 thirty five year old man died while spearfishing near Albany 0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:41.480 in Western Australia, a Perth father died at Rotnest Island, 0:27:41.480 --> 0:27:44.440 and a thirty nine year old spearfisher died south of Cans. 0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:50.040 Australia has the second highest number of recorded shark incidents globally, 0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:54.280 averaging twenty two bites per year, and as Julia Baird 0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:57.520 wrote for the ABC back in January, the odds have 0:27:57.560 --> 0:27:59.720 been killed by a shark in Australia is about one 0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:02.880 in eight million, and yet it feels a lot more 0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:07.960 likely right now. Predictably, there are lots of conversations about 0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:12.320 what's going to happen next. This is just such a 0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:18.679 shocking story and so seemingly random and out of the 0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:22.000 blue that there are calls for culs even though we 0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:25.199 know that there's no clear evidence that they work and 0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:28.679 that Great whites are endangered. But there have been some 0:28:28.800 --> 0:28:34.080 interesting suggestions from academic and author Chris peppin nef So 0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:38.160 he actually submitted an op ed to a big paper 0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:43.280 he said, didn't specify which one, with some suggestions of 0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:46.880 what he thinks needs to happen it and it got rejected. 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:51.560 And he also had some suggestions for Mossman City Council 0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:57.160 after those January attacks, and they were also dismissed. So 0:28:57.200 --> 0:29:02.720 a couple of his suggestions are temp prairie enclosures, so 0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:05.960 when people go to the beach, particularly something like Nippers, 0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:10.160 that there would be an enclosure where people get to 0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:14.400 swim safely. He also said basically for the rest of 0:29:14.480 --> 0:29:17.720 twenty twenty six that people should know if they're swimming 0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:19.280 in the open water, they're swimming at. 0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:19.880 Their own risk. 0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:28.040 And then he had some interesting ideas about shark deterrent technology. Holly, 0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:32.960 you're a beach person used to live at Kuji. How 0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:37.080 has this story changed your idea of getting in the ocean. 0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:40.720 Look, I think, I mean, I don't want to be like, oh, 0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:43.200 we've swim there all the time, but we obviously have 0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:45.000 swum there all the time, and so it does feel 0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:49.280 close to home and it's so traumatic. I just one 0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:51.280 of the things about shark attacks we all know this 0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:55.440 is they strike a very deep cord in people. It's 0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:59.000 a very very primal fear. So although the statistics, as 0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:01.640 you mentioned, Claire, the likelihood of it happening to you 0:30:02.720 --> 0:30:06.560 is small. It's such a traumatic event, and it's not 0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:09.480 only traumatic for the person involved, but for everybody who 0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:13.000 witnessed it, for the brave people who are first responders. 0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:17.360 For like, it's a very deep fear for very obvious reasons. 0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:21.160 I know that the Culgi community is obviously really really rattled, 0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:24.360 that there is a lot of support for people who 0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:27.880 were there that day. The thing that I have found 0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:30.920 really interesting in the changing conversation around sharks is that 0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:32.520 we've got to move on from and I think that 0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:34.320 we are moving on from. You either kill them or 0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:35.800 you don't kill you know, like, you either kill all 0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:40.000 the sharks, make the ocean safe or it's just have 0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:43.280 at it. I think that these discussions about getting more 0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:46.360 sharks smart in the way that some parts of Australia, 0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:48.760 for example, are croc smart or all of these is 0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:53.320 really interesting and important. What pepin Nef said that was interesting. 0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:56.240 So if you know Culdie, well, they used to once 0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:58.280 upon a time in the twenties and thirties, they had 0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:00.240 a shark net, so they had a peer that went 0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:03.200 out and then there was a shark enclosure, and lots 0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:05.960 of harbor beaches still have shark enclosures. And I think 0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:07.800 that the pier was damaged by a storm back in 0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:09.800 the day and the shark the enclosure is gone. And 0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:11.800 obviously now we have nets, but the debts come up 0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:15.000 in April. They are also imperfect. They also catch a 0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:17.920 lot of other animals that aren't the target of the debts, 0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:21.880 so they're not a perfect solution. It feels like the 0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:24.200 idea of returning to enclosures, and he was talking about 0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:26.080 some that are temporary. You can roll them out and 0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:28.240 pull them back in again again. They won't be perfect, 0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:31.600 but that they will give some semblance of safety is 0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:34.920 a smart one. I know that western Australia has a 0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:39.520 government scheme where surfers and fishermen and swimmers who buy 0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:42.480 shark deterrent technology can get it rebated by the government. 0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:46.600 Apparently that's really popular and I think that this awareness 0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.400 is what we have to move to because although the 0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:52.040 statistics are small, there is no argument that it is 0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:55.520 that these shark incidents are increasing. Some people don't like 0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:58.680 them being called shark attacks because it suggests that then 0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:02.040 it says suggest shark was attacking. Yeah, and they say 0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:04.640 shark bites, but that they are increasing and there are 0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:06.720 lots of factors to that. Lots of people talk about it. 0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:10.520 Is it rising water temperature, is it overfishing, is it 0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:12.640 a whole lot of different things. Whatever it is, they 0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:15.640 are increasing, not just in Sydney but all over Australia 0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:18.280 and it feels like a conversation that needs to be had, 0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:21.280 This idea of at your own risk. I don't know, Amelia. 0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:25.640 In that video he says that this is America's approach 0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:27.840 generally speaking. Is that did you know? 0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:30.000 I don't quite know what he meant by that, but 0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:33.680 I do think that that point he makes that Australians 0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:38.080 have to reevaluate their relationship with the water and with 0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:43.000 this national pastime really is a confronting one, and I 0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:44.840 think it goes beyond shark awareness. 0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:47.080 I think, as you allude to in the intro. 0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:50.200 Claire, we thought we had a grasp on shark awareness 0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:53.480 in January, we check that box. Okay, no brackish water, 0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:56.560 don't go in after it's been raining, Maybe don't do 0:32:56.640 --> 0:33:00.520 it at dusk or at dawn where shark activity is higher, 0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:04.800 and just be aware that they are. There are greater 0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:07.120 numbers of them now that the water is warming due 0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:11.120 to in all likelihood climate change. So we thought, okay, 0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:13.080 we've got it now, that's how we be shark that's 0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:15.960 how we can be shark aware. But as you pointed out, 0:33:15.960 --> 0:33:21.520 this particular bite and why it's been so shocking is 0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:25.479 it doesn't seem to meet those criteria. It was colder 0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:29.080 water a different shark now, but a colder water, clear water, 0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:33.560 and not at dawn or dusk. So what I think 0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:37.000 is confronting for Australians is the idea that for many 0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:40.000 of us, going for a swim is kind of a 0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:43.680 it feels like a national entitlement. It just feels like 0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:46.520 what we do and we shouldn't have to think too 0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:49.440 hard about it. And it's our birthright. I guess that's 0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:51.040 the word I need to use for it. It is 0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:54.840 so intertwined with our national identity for so many Australians. 0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:59.440 We are a very urbanized society and most of us 0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:04.080 do hug the coast in some way. So I think 0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:07.360 the idea that we have to look at this carefree 0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:11.160 national birth right is something that we now have to 0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:14.760 figure out how to coexist with other creatures that also 0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:17.719 enjoy the water. That just like gets to the heart 0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:21.279 of what many people think it means to be Australian. 0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:24.120 I get why that's confronting. As sensible as it is. 0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:27.280 It's interesting because down where I live on the South Coast, 0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:31.120 big sharks, cold water, et cetera. You know, you're kind 0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:34.120 of aware of that, but they've just installed a shark 0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:38.160 bite kit at our beach and I've never seen that before. 0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:40.920 I think they've done that at I think after January 0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:42.880 they did that at a lot of a lot of 0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:43.640 maybe even all. 0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:46.160 Yeah, so they're being rolled out across New South Wales 0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:48.640 at least. I'm sure the States have something similar. And 0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:51.760 when you first see that, it's a little bit jarring, 0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:54.399 you're like, because it's basically a trauma kit and it's 0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:55.920 attached to a pole near the beach in the same 0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:58.200 way that if you're in var North Queensland there's often 0:34:58.200 --> 0:35:02.480 a jellyfish station. Obviously there's a practical application to that, 0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:06.359 but it's also just this push towards making us all 0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:07.760 a bit more aware. 0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:11.319 Yeah, but also changing our relationship to the water. I 0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:14.440 think that's what Chris is calling for, Chris Peppinneff, and 0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:17.799 I think that's probably why the major newspaper turned him down, 0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:19.160 because we're not ready. 0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:19.400 To hear that. 0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:23.840 But what's scary is that at the same time, this 0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:29.760 is so so so unlikely and so uncommon, and sometimes 0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:34.279 I even in January, I remember, like the information is 0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:40.200 so important about how the oceans work and what kind 0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:42.920 of attracts sharks and all of that. But I do 0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:45.640 worry that sometimes when these conversations come. 0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:46.759 Up, that it. 0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:53.239 Erases the randomness of it, like the fact that this 0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:57.600 woman did nothing wrong, she didn't do anything irresponsible, she 0:35:57.640 --> 0:36:02.880 did not like and it's just a thing that can happen, Buddy, 0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:08.200 is still incredibly, incredibly, incredibly unlikely, and so that idea 0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:11.040 of changing our relationship with the ocean. I'm like, I 0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:14.239 don't know if that's if that's fully necessary. 0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:16.520 But that's what's interesting about this debate, isn't It is like, 0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:20.680 I agree with you, but I feel like I also 0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:24.040 feel like we shouldn't kid ourselves. If when I first 0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:26.480 moved to Australia from England, I thought that every beach 0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:29.160 was full of sharks, right, was that was the perception 0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:30.920 I had? I was like, who would ever go swimming 0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:32.920 in Australia? Like we all know that's where the great 0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:36.040 Whites live? Like we all know that. And then obviously 0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:39.160 I've lived here for thirty years, put near the coast 0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:41.319 nearly all of that time, and you get very, oh, well, 0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:43.160 it doesn't happen. And it used to be all the 0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:44.920 time in a city like Sydney, and I know it's 0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:47.680 different in different places, but people would say there hasn't 0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:51.040 be an attack in Sydney, for you can't say that anymore. 0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:55.040 Like it is happening with increased frequency, without question. And 0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:58.800 I think that that push and pull between not wanting 0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:03.600 to change something fundamentally that's about us, and also being 0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:07.000 aware that the change circumstances of our world have increased 0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:10.479 a risk is a fair enough conversation to have. Of course, 0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:13.279 it doesn't mean that anybody was doing anything wrong. I mean, 0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:16.359 there'll be a lot of conversations already are about in 0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:19.800 this such because for people who aren't familiar with Sydney's beaches, 0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:23.160 Couldie is a very, generally speaking, a very flat, very 0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:26.520 calm beach. It's a bay, and the water that day, 0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:30.080 as you've said, was crystal clear. The footage of this 0:37:30.280 --> 0:37:33.120 alleged to be this shark. Afterwards you kind of going, 0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:35.919 how did nobody do that thing coming? But of course 0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:38.200 it's also winter and the beaches aren't as patrolled as 0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:40.040 theys are, and there'll be lots of questions about that. 0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:43.120 But I think that it's kind of we can't kid 0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:45.800 ourselves that what's happening isn't happening, do you know what 0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:46.160 I mean? 0:37:46.239 --> 0:37:50.880 But for example, probably what we should be more scared of, 0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:55.239 more aware of, is getting caught in a rip for example, 0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:58.000 Like that's a lot more common. But it's interesting that 0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:04.759 the way that our brains were the idea of being 0:38:04.880 --> 0:38:10.640 bitten by a shark is just so terrifying, and so 0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:15.279 it just really gets you that you then think like 0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:18.000 the cost of that is so huge that we kind 0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:20.400 of amplify the probability. 0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:24.160 I think it is changing to Holly's point, like, I agree, 0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:28.719 but things are changing and the conception you have is 0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:31.560 from a prior time. The other thing I'd say is rips. 0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:34.719 At least in New South Wales schools, kids get taught 0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:40.680 about rips in YU one in classrooms and we haven't 0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:43.960 been in denial about the rip dangers, and of course 0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:46.920 that still means that it's an ever present danger that 0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:49.239 we have to be aware of. But kids, we're doing 0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:51.800 a pretty good job I think of educating kids about rips. 0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:54.719 It's interesting about risk evaluation too, is that I mean, 0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:57.600 anyone who spends any time on the coast in Australia 0:38:57.680 --> 0:38:59.239 knows that the shark alarm can go off and the 0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:02.480 surface will stay. So I mean, I know that's a 0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:05.160 massive generalization and I'm not criticizing, but what I'm saying 0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:07.960 is people have their own risk assessments, right, and people 0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:10.000 who are very familiar with the water and spend a 0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:13.160 lot of time in it are sort of more confident 0:39:13.200 --> 0:39:15.400 and aware of certain things. And I wonder if that 0:39:15.440 --> 0:39:17.560 will continue to be the case but for those of 0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:22.120 us who are not water babies as such, like who 0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:25.120 maybe need a little more handholding in what risks are like. 0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:28.320 I think enclosures, I think ocean pools are going to 0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:29.480 be very very busy. 0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:32.279 Yes, except Holly, I hate to say it. At my 0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:36.960 local beach in the shark free enclosure, there was a 0:39:37.000 --> 0:39:38.200 shark recently cited. 0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:39.880 Things are changing. 0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:42.640 At the time we're recording this, we've just found out 0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:45.279 that the woman who was bitten by the shark at 0:39:45.320 --> 0:39:49.279 Cujie on Saturday is Leah Stewart. She's thirty five, she's 0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:53.200 from Cougie, She's a passionate swimmer, she's got a little child, 0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:57.080 and she's in hospital. At the time we're recording this, 0:39:57.200 --> 0:40:00.960 she's still in a critical but stable condition, and I 0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:04.000 know that we're not alone in sending all our love 0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:07.840 and support to her and her family as we're discussing 0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:09.000 this terrible. 0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:13.600 Incident after the break. Have the Beckhams overplayed their hand 0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:18.319 this time? I'm bringing some scarriless silliness because we had 0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:22.000 to have Holly talk about Gwyneth. But another very important 0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:29.520 character in the Holy Universe had a big weekend. It 0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:32.839 happened because Sir David was being honored with a star 0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:35.600 on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and Lady. 0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:38.160 Vicky was there. She was looking lovely in a kind 0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:42.080 of midnight blue dress, would you describe it that way. 0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:45.319 Or at least ten pm blue ten pm blue, And 0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:47.640 she was very funny and adorable in her speech. 0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:49.840 Let's hear a little bit of what she said. 0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:53.960 Growing up in England, the Hollywood Walk of Fame was 0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:57.880 one of those iconic things that you only saw in films, 0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:02.359 a way of immortalizing people who had succeeded in their 0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:07.720 fields and truly left their mark. So naturally, I assumed 0:41:07.760 --> 0:41:10.840 I was coming here today to receive my star for 0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:17.880 my part in that iconic cult classic Spice Wild, the movie. 0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:22.520 She's very funny, Vicky, she Lady VICKI. And of course 0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:25.000 Tom Cruise was there. Of course, I mean I was 0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:27.880 a little bit surprised, but I guess he got the 0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:29.480 Vicams in the Top Divorce. 0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:33.160 Yeah, he and Beckham are bessies. And during the tomcat era, 0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:36.839 and that's when David and Victoria lived in La because 0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:39.680 David was playing for La Galaxy. The four of them 0:41:39.680 --> 0:41:41.880 would hang out all the time with Eva Longoria as 0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:44.680 well and they were always out. Katie and Vicki were 0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:47.799 always out shopping, and Tom and David were always hanging 0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:52.400 out at football games and stuff. And clearly Katie was 0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:55.160 not there on Saturday, but Tom was, and he looked 0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:55.600 very coase. 0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:57.919 We really drawn as to who I would rather get 0:41:57.960 --> 0:42:00.520 in that divorce, because Katie's my star I like on 0:42:01.480 --> 0:42:03.960 but Tom is the last great movie star, so I 0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:04.400 don't know. 0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:07.680 It's a tough one. 0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:10.719 She might have good gossip like behind it, you know 0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:14.319 what I mean, unless he. 0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:16.480 Probably like doesn't drink margaritas. 0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:16.920 I feel like. 0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:21.399 I mean, I know her NDA probably covers post margarita conversations, 0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:24.440 but I would love to try to get around it anyway. 0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:25.520 So David got his star. 0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:28.759 That was lovely, But what happened afterwards is what got 0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:33.640 tongues wagging. Brooklyn has a house in La I refer 0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:36.600 to the Beckham Son and not the borough of New York. 0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:38.879 Brooklyn has a house in la He. 0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:41.920 Also has one in Miami, obviously, but he has this 0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:48.400 sixteen million dollar mansion in this ultra exclusive Truesdale Estates 0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:52.560 neighborhood of Beverly Hills. So just after the ceremony, it's 0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:55.919 still in her lovely pink slip dress. Fourteen year old 0:42:56.080 --> 0:43:00.440 Harper Becks pops over to his house to well, it's 0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:03.480 a bit unclear what to do. She wanted to see him? 0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:07.240 I guess maybe deliver a handwritten note, pick up a mascara, 0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:08.879 perhaps that she left there a year ago. 0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:10.080 We don't quite know. 0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:12.160 But what is clear is that the whole thing was 0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:16.400 caught on camera and then run in page six. So Brooklyn, 0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:18.359 who was not at home but was instead at one 0:43:18.360 --> 0:43:20.960 of his other mansions, he was reached out to for 0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:25.279 comment about his sister's visit, and his rep said that 0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:29.160 photographers were in place as the letter was hand delivered, 0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:34.040 says it all this was choreographed for the cameras. I 0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:39.480 am the emoji with its face in its hands right now. 0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:44.279 How could Victoria think this was a good idea? And 0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:48.480 Harper is fourteen years old? Holly, am I missing something? 0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:52.000 So the reason we know this, as Amelia says, is 0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:55.880 that the paparazzi images of it have been splashed across 0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:59.719 the internet. And we always say we don't do as 0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:02.640 Papa actually imagery, but there it has become part of 0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:06.480 the story because Brooklyn is saying that was not an accident. 0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:10.920 That's what he's saying. And what is kind of clear 0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:14.120 in the Beckham universe is that Harper is moving into 0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:15.280 main character position. 0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:15.600 Right. 0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:17.799 We've know she's got the skincare line coming up with 0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:21.480 that's been discussed. She was very prominent obviously at this 0:44:22.040 --> 0:44:26.000 she's I mean, for a start, if it was staged, 0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:29.120 that's kind of terrible. 0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:32.160 Are you seriously still saying if like that was staged? 0:44:32.400 --> 0:44:34.319 Well, do you think so definitely? Do you think one 0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:35.840 hundred percent? Or do you think so. One of the 0:44:35.840 --> 0:44:39.040 way the book, the way that Beckham's will will present 0:44:39.120 --> 0:44:41.480 this side, and they won't say anything publicly, but there 0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:44.960 will be leaks through their reps, is that Harper desperately 0:44:44.960 --> 0:44:47.799 misses her brother. This is the idea, This is the narrative, right, 0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:50.319 Harper was very tight with Brooklyn, as she is with 0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:52.760 her other two brothers who were at the Walk of Fame, 0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:55.919 and that she just wanted to reach out to him. 0:44:56.120 --> 0:44:58.200 There are two signs to me that it was staged. 0:44:58.280 --> 0:45:01.720 The first is that she was wearing, as I mentioned earlier, 0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:04.960 the same pink slip dress that she wore at the 0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:09.399 Walk of Fame event, and the Beckhams know the power 0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:12.080 of dress. If she really wanted to just go there 0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:15.280 and be surreptitious, she might have changed into something less formal. 0:45:15.800 --> 0:45:18.240 But she wanted to be. She wanted everyone to say 0:45:18.440 --> 0:45:21.279 that's Harper Beckham because I just saw her half an 0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:24.480 hour ago at that event where the world's cameras ran, and. 0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:30.400 This poor girl from who lives in England is in 0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:33.480 LA for such a short time and she's using that 0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:35.480 opportunity to go to her brothers. 0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:37.719 The second, the second thing that tells me its stage. 0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:40.320 No one in Los Angeles has to walk anywhere. 0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:40.719 No one. 0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:43.840 The fact that we saw her walking down the street. 0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:46.759 There are no footpaths in Los Angeles because it pulled, 0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:50.280 not walk. So the fact that we saw her walking 0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:53.640 down a street in Los Angeles seems that she wanted 0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:53.799 to be. 0:45:53.960 --> 0:45:56.120 She was dropped off by a car, but not close 0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:58.280 enough to the gate that she didn't have to walk. 0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:01.640 That is interesting, Claire, is this how we do family? 0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:05.640 But like, is there a world where she's texting Brooklyn, 0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:07.520 She's like, I really want to come by and see 0:46:07.520 --> 0:46:10.640 you and Nicola are you home? Crickets? Because they're not talking, 0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:13.920 so she's just like I'm gonna go pop. 0:46:13.719 --> 0:46:18.120 In well what I thought was interesting. And again why 0:46:18.719 --> 0:46:22.239 the kind of the only reason the paparazziiness of it 0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:24.600 all has has become relevant. 0:46:24.520 --> 0:46:27.040 Is because those photos were released. 0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:31.680 And then Brooklyn shared to his Instagram story a photo 0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:34.600 of him in New York and he tagged the location 0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:36.640 like the fact that he was in New York going 0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:41.040 for a run. And so his point, without saying it, 0:46:41.120 --> 0:46:45.000 was like, I'm not even there. They knew I was, 0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:49.960 They knew I wasn't there. And this does add a 0:46:50.000 --> 0:46:56.400 lot of credibility to Brooklyn's long running argument that everything 0:46:56.480 --> 0:47:00.400 his family does is a performance and that it's not 0:47:00.600 --> 0:47:04.799 about they. They don't care about him the human. They 0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:08.960 care about the image of the Beckham family. And I 0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:12.919 think your theory, Holly, that Harper is kind of meant 0:47:12.960 --> 0:47:15.880 to be emerging as the new main character of this 0:47:15.960 --> 0:47:20.720 family is very true because the other the two brothers 0:47:22.120 --> 0:47:25.200 have Romeo and Romeo and Cruse and I think it's 0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:27.799 Cruise in particular, have been a bit like just taking 0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:29.000 a piss out of Brooklyn. 0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:31.520 They have, They've been being a bit harsh about it. 0:47:31.719 --> 0:47:34.000 Yes, they've been kind of posting. 0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:36.880 Just and Cruises a rockstar now side. 0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:42.440 Yeah, he's a bit cool for Brookie. But I just 0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:48.000 think this was so orchestrated and that it really really 0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:50.560 makes it. I think this looks so bad for the 0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:51.840 Beckham I've heard that. 0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:54.000 I've seen a lot of critiques saying that that they 0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:57.600 overreached that Vicky because everyone always assumes that it's Victoria 0:47:57.600 --> 0:47:59.480 who's the mastermind of this, because of course they do, 0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:01.279 because she's a woman and she's a mother, and why 0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:03.920 wouldn't she be But it could be David for all 0:48:03.920 --> 0:48:07.120 we know. Look, if it was orchestrated, I want more. 0:48:07.200 --> 0:48:09.640 If it was orchestrated, I want Victoria crying at the 0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:12.319 gates of the mansion. I want her holding on to 0:48:12.600 --> 0:48:15.399 the rails of the gate and shaking them and being like. 0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:18.680 Brooklyn, why won't you come to our own walk of frame? 0:48:18.719 --> 0:48:21.800 Thing like maybe harpers to live in her own life. 0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:23.719 Maybe she's making her own rules. Maybe she's like mom 0:48:23.719 --> 0:48:25.239 and dad. I don't care what you say. I'm going 0:48:25.239 --> 0:48:27.000 to see Brooklyn. He needs to know. 0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:29.760 And she just felt like taking a walk down a street. 0:48:29.800 --> 0:48:34.080 In whichever way this rolls out, it's not good for 0:48:34.200 --> 0:48:38.200 them because everyone was kind of it was dying down. 0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:40.960 You know, it was five months since Brooklyn Beckham made 0:48:40.960 --> 0:48:47.760 that famous and earth shattering Instagram series of posts about 0:48:47.960 --> 0:48:50.600 how he felt about his family, including the allegation, of course, 0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:54.360 that Victoria Beckham danced on him at his wedding party. 0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:57.480 That was five months ago. We've had a documentary since then. 0:48:57.640 --> 0:48:58.919 Beckham's got his Walk of Fame? 0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:01.440 But what is he? An actor? Can we just pause 0:49:01.480 --> 0:49:02.560 on that? Why does he have? 0:49:03.040 --> 0:49:05.720 Isn't that ba actually great point? I meant to challenge, 0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:08.280 does David Beckham have a star online? 0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:11.240 I think probably because of his documentary? 0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:14.600 Well, you also buy those stars for yourself. 0:49:14.680 --> 0:49:16.560 So I guess they figured they were going to have 0:49:16.560 --> 0:49:18.840 this big weekend in LA and they couldn't not address 0:49:18.880 --> 0:49:19.520 the issue. 0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:20.040 Is that it? 0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:24.120 I would say, I'm kind of with Victoria that she's 0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:24.840 more deserving. 0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:26.080 I actually think. 0:49:28.320 --> 0:49:31.279 Like, sorry, put all the Brooklyn stuff aside. She was 0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:32.200 this WHTS girl. 0:49:32.680 --> 0:49:33.839 She should be on that. 0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:37.640 Walk you in Sport right now? Is this some moment 0:49:37.680 --> 0:49:38.680 for a heart take from you? 0:49:39.360 --> 0:49:40.600 Pick a ball? 0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:43.239 I feel like we're going to see it. It's really 0:49:43.239 --> 0:49:45.200 funny how any time an English person is in LA 0:49:45.239 --> 0:49:47.360 they're always like, oh did Prince Harry go one of 0:49:47.360 --> 0:49:51.360 the likes. It's like William loves Beckham. Harry didn't go 0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:53.680 to the Walk of Fame. The football and World Cup 0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:56.880 is on, but Harry was in New York. You know 0:49:57.000 --> 0:49:59.920 he was in San Antonio watching the basketball. Okay, I 0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:03.560 he wasn't in the front row. People have been writing 0:50:03.560 --> 0:50:06.520 about that too. Look, BRIT's in America having a hard time. 0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:09.560 But use some sunscreen. That's all I have to say. 0:50:09.640 --> 0:50:11.040 I want to give that Sonny out there. 0:50:11.480 --> 0:50:13.640 I want to give poor old Harper the benefits of doubt. 0:50:13.840 --> 0:50:15.080 I will say, I do think. 0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:15.880 She's only fourteen. 0:50:16.760 --> 0:50:20.880 Why it's calling She is only fourteen, and your parents 0:50:20.920 --> 0:50:23.320 still advise you, at the very least when you're fourteen, 0:50:23.360 --> 0:50:26.080 And at the very least someone didn't say to her, 0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:28.600 if indeed this was all on her own initiative, you 0:50:28.680 --> 0:50:29.000 know what? 0:50:29.080 --> 0:50:29.840 Love Maybe not? 0:50:30.400 --> 0:50:32.759 Yeah, maybe let's do something a bit more low key. 0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:33.640 I will say. 0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:38.520 The sibling estrangement breaks my heart. Like parent estrangement with 0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:47.040 parents is obviously always sad, but siblings. I just think, oh, Brookie. 0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:48.719 Maybe Brooklyn should open the bloody gate to his Maybe 0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:50.680 he should be in LA and he should open the 0:50:50.719 --> 0:50:51.480 gate to his sister. 0:50:51.800 --> 0:50:54.600 I think he needs to call Harper out loud. 0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:57.160 Is that is all we have time for on today's show. 0:50:57.360 --> 0:51:00.319 Please remember that we have subscriber episodes twice a week 0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:04.200 on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Plus of course, subscribers get access 0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:08.200 to exclusive stories online and to our exercise app Move, 0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:11.680 including Move walk just for half a back 0:51:13.000 --> 0:51:17.840 Bye Bye Bye Mummyer acknowledges the traditional owners of the 0:51:17.920 --> 0:51:19.960 land on which we've recorded this podcast.