Speaker 1: Just because you do one thing that's different doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you need to do everything else. That is not a
Speaker 1: betrayal to either side at all. Because you are finding
Speaker 1: who you are.
Speaker 2: There is going to be someone or some group of
Speaker 2: people that are always going to understand you and love you.
Speaker 1: For you in permanence is something that I kind of
Speaker 1: struggle with because I want things to be permanent.
Speaker 3: But I feel so much better after I let it go.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't a waste of work, It wasn't a
Speaker 1: waste of time. It served its purpose.
Speaker 4: Welcome to the Seas the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy
Speaker 4: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what
Speaker 4: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but
Speaker 4: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than
Speaker 4: one way. So this is a platform to hear and
Speaker 4: explore the stories of those who found lives. They adore,
Speaker 4: the good, bad and ugly, The best and worst day
Speaker 4: will bear all the facets of seizing your yay. I'm
Speaker 4: Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned
Speaker 4: funt up who swapped the suits and heels to co
Speaker 4: found matcha Maiden and matcha milkbar Cza is a series
Speaker 4: of conversations on finding a life you love and exploring
Speaker 4: the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way.
Speaker 4: I have been busting to share this week's episode with you, guys,
Speaker 4: and if you've run into me at all since I
Speaker 4: met Gabe and Adam last December, I've probably already talked
Speaker 4: your ear off about them. I was lucky enough to
Speaker 4: meet this amazing couple during my very quick trip to
Speaker 4: la as we were on the same shoot together and
Speaker 4: had a lovely whirlwind few days as a trio. You
Speaker 4: can probably already tell that meeting new people and hearing
Speaker 4: all about their lives is one of my very favorite things,
Speaker 4: and these two are so fascinating, both separately and together.
Speaker 4: But our time as a trio was short, so you
Speaker 4: and me both are hearing all the finer details of
Speaker 4: their ways to ya for the first time, and after
Speaker 4: this chat, I love them even more. With gay being
Speaker 4: born without any limbs and then a opted from sour
Speaker 4: Paolo Brazil to Utah, and both Gave and Adam growing
Speaker 4: up in the Mormon faith, which came into conflict later
Speaker 4: with their sexuality, these two bring such unique and interesting
Speaker 4: perspectives to this chat on finding yourself and your Yay. Then,
Speaker 4: the story of them finding each other is a beautiful one,
Speaker 4: with their wedding taking place just before we met, launching
Speaker 4: Gabe into global TikTok fame and consequently our whole new career.
Speaker 4: I'll let them tell you the rest themselves. They are
Speaker 4: wise beyond their young years, with such beautiful messages about
Speaker 4: self acceptance, embracing your uniqueness, and building a strong relationship.
Speaker 4: I hope you're all as inspired and delighted by them
Speaker 4: as I am. Gabe and Adam, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having us so excited to be here.
Speaker 4: I'm so excited to have you guys, for everyone listening.
Speaker 4: I met this delightful couple during the well Wind trip
Speaker 4: to la in December for something we're still not allowed
Speaker 4: to talk about, but I cannot wait to share over
Speaker 4: the coming months. And we only spent a couple of
Speaker 4: days together, but I just found them so inspiring and
Speaker 4: I love their energy, and as soon as I left,
Speaker 4: I kind of missed you, guys. In any other circumstances,
Speaker 4: I would have come over to Utah to do this
Speaker 4: in person. But thank you so much. For joining this way. Nonetheless,
Speaker 4: well you did both promise me or tour of Vieuta's
Speaker 4: best and brightest. Actually, you know, you guys recommended to
Speaker 4: me that true crime podcast about the String of Medals.
Speaker 4: I listened to it all the way back on the
Speaker 4: plane and I was like, wow, you Toe gets a
Speaker 4: lot of action. No, I know, Uta has so much
Speaker 4: else going for it, including as the backdrop to your
Speaker 4: love story, which I can't wait to get into. And
Speaker 4: this is Adam's first podcast ever, so it's even more
Speaker 4: of a privilege. Thank you so much for joining. But first,
Speaker 4: I kick off every episode with a little icebreaker by
Speaker 4: asking what the most down to earth thing is about you?
Speaker 4: And particularly for you guys, a lot of people will
Speaker 4: have encountered you on social media and walked into your
Speaker 4: life at a chapter where you're married, you have a house,
Speaker 4: you guys have you know, got such a strong sense
Speaker 4: of self which stood out to me very early on,
Speaker 4: like so as soon as I met you. But it's
Speaker 4: easy then to forget that you've been through so many
Speaker 4: chapters to get here, and there will be so many
Speaker 4: chapters to come as well, and it's you know, it's
Speaker 4: easy to forget that for example, all three of us,
Speaker 4: so Pierre to be not wearing any pants for these episodes.
Speaker 4: So I mean that's.
Speaker 3: Something right handed.
Speaker 4: Well, maybe you guys can answer for each other, what
Speaker 4: do you what would you say is the most down
Speaker 4: to earth thing about the other one?
Speaker 3: Scared to see what you say?
Speaker 1: The most down to earth thing about Gabe? I think, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's down to earth, but just
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things about him is that he's
Speaker 1: always looking for opportunities to bring other people together. Like
Speaker 1: we're always having people over at the house. He's always
Speaker 1: hyping other people up.
Speaker 3: He's always like.
Speaker 1: Wanting to share what he has with other people, and
Speaker 1: that kind of helps ground me because I'm always doing stuff,
Speaker 1: but I'm not with people as often as I would
Speaker 1: like that. He's always trying to gather people around him.
Speaker 4: Anyone listening. If you love love, get your two shoe
Speaker 4: box ready. These two are just secondly perfect for each other.
Speaker 4: Most people start bagging each other out, but you guys
Speaker 4: are just the sweetest. Yeah that right, Okay, what's the
Speaker 4: most down to a thing about Adam?
Speaker 2: I think the most down to earth thing about Adam
Speaker 2: would be his patience and his level of understanding and
Speaker 2: care for not only me, but everybody that comes around
Speaker 2: us and stuff like that. He's always very open and
Speaker 2: ready to learn and understand people and what they've gone
Speaker 2: through and what they're still going through, and keeping his
Speaker 2: heart open and his mind open. And I think it's
Speaker 2: very sweet.
Speaker 4: Oh you guys, it is so cute. It's ridiculous. You
Speaker 4: should hear everyone else's ants as it's like he's really gassy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: all of those beautiful comments about each other were all
Speaker 4: made under your ass. No, I definitely want to get
Speaker 4: into your beautiful love story. But the very first section
Speaker 4: of the podcast is called Your Way Ta, which is
Speaker 4: first to trace back all of the chapters of your
Speaker 4: life even before you met each other that kind of
Speaker 4: made you into the people you are today and led
Speaker 4: to the positions that you're both in today. Because, like
Speaker 4: I said before, I think it's easy to assume that
Speaker 4: you woke up with this sense of direction and purpose,
Speaker 4: or you woke up with this sense of confidence and
Speaker 4: knowing who you are to know who you want to
Speaker 4: end up with. You know, there's there's so many steps
Speaker 4: to get there. So I'd love to go back separately
Speaker 4: into how you started what your childhoods were like. And
Speaker 4: I know you both grew up in the Mormon faith,
Speaker 4: which is something a lot of our listeners might not
Speaker 4: have heard about before. So Gabe, maybe we could start
Speaker 4: with you. I know our stories share a common theme
Speaker 4: of adoption. You were adopted from sol Pallow, Brazil and
Speaker 4: into a family in Utah, So tell us about your beginnings.
Speaker 2: Well, I was adopted at nine months old from a
Speaker 2: Utah family from South Haula, Brazil, and I was born
Speaker 2: without orange or legs as well. And the family that
Speaker 2: I got adopted into they ended up having thirteen of
Speaker 2: their own biological children. And my adopted dad was a
Speaker 2: seminary teacher for thirty two years, which is a institute
Speaker 2: teacher that goes in and teaches religion pretty much to
Speaker 2: either the youth or even in some cases he went
Speaker 2: and taught the jails and taught the inmates and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. So I knew at a very young age
Speaker 2: that I was gay and that I was different, But
Speaker 2: growing up in a Mormon household and having my dad
Speaker 2: be a big, well known figure within our community and
Speaker 2: everything was kind of a huge no no to be
Speaker 2: gay and to be so open about it and flamboyant,
Speaker 2: and so there were lots of conversations and stuff like
Speaker 2: that where I was told not to do this, not
Speaker 2: to say that, not to act on that, and it
Speaker 2: kind of just became a rebellious pace for me to
Speaker 2: be who I was, whether that was either secretively or openly.
Speaker 2: And so I picked my friends very selectively, knowing whether
Speaker 2: or not they'd have my back, in understanding that I
Speaker 2: can only express myself with them and in certain moments,
Speaker 2: but with other people it kind of has to be
Speaker 2: very gated and guarded. And I came out to my
Speaker 2: parents when I was probably in the seventh grade for
Speaker 2: the very first time openly verbally with them, and they
Speaker 2: instantly shot it down and told me that it was
Speaker 2: not going to happen and that they were not okay
Speaker 2: with it. So I tried to gain in high school
Speaker 2: steal the same circumstances, and then when I turned nineteen,
Speaker 2: I decided that I wanted to move out on my
Speaker 2: own because I wanted to live a life that I
Speaker 2: wanted to live, not the life my parents want immediately live.
Speaker 2: And they always taught me to be extramely independent despite
Speaker 2: having their arms and legs, and always taught me to
Speaker 2: only rely on people when I really needed them the most,
Speaker 2: and so I became very independent mentally, emotionally, and physically
Speaker 2: with doing everything on my own as much as possible.
Speaker 2: And so when I did turn nineteen, I thought that
Speaker 2: I was ready, and so I texted my parents and
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, I'm gay, I'm moving out.
Speaker 2: Either you're going to get on board, and if you
Speaker 2: don't get on board, then this while crow would be
Speaker 2: our last moment seeing each other really, because I don't
Speaker 2: want to keep faking that we're cool when we're not cool.
Speaker 2: And it was a huge eye opening moment for my
Speaker 2: parents that you know, well, we really did put so
Speaker 2: much blocking into our relationship with you because we didn't
Speaker 2: want you to be a certain way, but we also
Speaker 2: taught you to always follow your heart and be who
Speaker 2: you are. But the second you want to, we instantly tell,
Speaker 2: you know, mainly because of our religious beliefs and what
Speaker 2: we felt comfortable and safe with at the time, And
Speaker 2: so that really opened up and broke down a lot
Speaker 2: of boundaries that my parents had set for me and
Speaker 2: our relationship with each other. And now, as a twenty
Speaker 2: three year old adult.
Speaker 4: Quick interruption, I did not know Gabe was only twenty
Speaker 4: three at this point until he had said that, and
Speaker 4: it blew my mind. As you will hear, he has
Speaker 4: so many insights and experiences at such a young age.
Speaker 4: I'm nearly ten years older than him.
Speaker 2: So God, Gat, our relationship is everything and more that
Speaker 2: I ever even thought it would ever be, because now I'm married.
Speaker 2: And when I did get married growing up, I always
Speaker 2: thought that I'd do it all by myself, and none
Speaker 2: of my family would be there because they all grew
Speaker 2: up Mormon, and I thought that they would always just
Speaker 2: follow what my parents did and what my parents said.
Speaker 2: And so on my wedding day, I thought super emotional
Speaker 2: to see all fourteen of my siblings and my two
Speaker 2: parents and their nieces and nephews all a part of
Speaker 2: my wedding with their spouses and everything. And Chris was
Speaker 2: so beautiful to me to have their support and their
Speaker 2: love on that big day.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, Gabe, that is just so beautiful. I
Speaker 4: hadn't actually realized when we first met. Obviously, you guys
Speaker 4: have been talking about just having been married, and I
Speaker 4: didn't know that you'd both grown up in the Mormon faith,
Speaker 4: and I think it's a really beautiful story that it
Speaker 4: is possible, even if initially perhaps it doesn't go as
Speaker 4: well or as quickly as you might have hoped when
Speaker 4: you first share your sexuality with your family, that you
Speaker 4: can get to a place where it can be celebrated together,
Speaker 4: you can have your family members at your wedding. And
Speaker 4: for anyone else out there who, for reasons of religion
Speaker 4: or any other reason, perhaps a stricter family, or for
Speaker 4: whatever reason, if they find themselves in a position where
Speaker 4: their support network isn't on board straight away, I think
Speaker 4: it's really heartwarming to hear that that can change over time,
Speaker 4: even if not straight away.
Speaker 2: And I know that there are people who may be
Speaker 2: listening or watching that don't have the freedom that we
Speaker 2: have and the luxury that we have finally having our
Speaker 2: families on board with our relationship and with us as
Speaker 2: individuals living our lives as who we are. And I
Speaker 2: know that when I was in those moments, I relied
Speaker 2: a lot on my friends instead of my family, because
Speaker 2: those are the people who support me and love me
Speaker 2: for me and weren't trying to change me or talk
Speaker 2: me out of it. And so if you have those
Speaker 2: kind of people, then definitely stick to those people and
Speaker 2: know that sometimes it may not be in this life
Speaker 2: for your family to really truly understand you, but there
Speaker 2: is going to be someone or some group of people
Speaker 2: that are always going to understand you and love you
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 4: Oh. That is so beautiful and a really good reminder
Speaker 4: that for some people it takes a while, for others,
Speaker 4: it might not be ever in this lifetime that you
Speaker 4: get the acceptance from your family that you might hope
Speaker 4: for because we all have different values and perspectives, but
Speaker 4: that you're not alone in that experience either. And I'm
Speaker 4: so excited you have the platform you do because you
Speaker 4: are such a good spokesperson and role model for this
Speaker 4: kind of feeling. And something else that you're an amazing
Speaker 4: role model for, which is even more inspiring, I think,
Speaker 4: is that I asked you, you know, about your childhood
Speaker 4: and the challenges you face to get here, and the
Speaker 4: first thing you answered was about coming out as gay.
Speaker 4: It wasn't about having no arms and legs, which seems
Speaker 4: like the more obvious, kind of defining feature of your identity,
Speaker 4: but from the moment I met you, it just wasn't.
Speaker 4: And you know, Adam came with you but it was
Speaker 4: basically not necessary. You didn't need him to do anything,
Speaker 4: and we didn't talk about it. I didn't know what
Speaker 4: handheart syndrome was until I looked it up for this interview,
Speaker 4: because it's just not at the forefront of the experience
Speaker 4: of meeting you. And I think it's for that you're
Speaker 4: a wonderful role model that you didn't treat that as
Speaker 4: the first part of the most obvious part of your answer,
Speaker 4: because I think people tend to ascribe a part of
Speaker 4: your identity is the main thing that's interesting about you,
Speaker 4: but it doesn't have to be, and I love that.
Speaker 4: I think you're a really good role model for that.
Speaker 4: But of course it is part of your identity. So
Speaker 4: can you explain what impact it has had on getting
Speaker 4: you to this point and what the condition actually is.
Speaker 2: Well, handheart syndrome is a birth effect that only affects
Speaker 2: one in one million people just here in the United
Speaker 2: States alone. And so what it is is it a
Speaker 2: birth defect that affects the arms and legs or fingers
Speaker 2: and toes, or your job to be malformed or missing,
Speaker 2: And in my case, it's not having any arms or
Speaker 2: legs at all. And I know that there are some
Speaker 2: other people that I'm friends with that still have some
Speaker 2: form of foot or toe or arms still attached to them,
Speaker 2: that mine's completely rounded off on all four limbs and everything.
Speaker 2: And honestly, I personally have not found it to really
Speaker 2: affect me, just because I grew up learning that this
Speaker 2: is who I am and it's not going to change,
Speaker 2: and I don't need it to change. I need to
Speaker 2: just grow with it. And so a lot of people
Speaker 2: are always thinking that it's always going to to be
Speaker 2: a physical challenge for me all the time. But really,
Speaker 2: I grew up like this from day wind, so I
Speaker 2: don't know any different. And when I was younger, I
Speaker 2: went to speech therapy because I had a cleft palette
Speaker 2: that was inside of my mouth, and they didn't know
Speaker 2: that because usually your clup pallet is out on your
Speaker 2: lips where you can kind of see it more. And
Speaker 2: so I wasn't eating, I wasn't talking, and I was
Speaker 2: about two years old here in the United States, and
Speaker 2: finally we had somebody come over to our house and
Speaker 2: they shared a flashlight and they're, oh, he has a
Speaker 2: club out, but it's within his mouth. And so I
Speaker 2: had to go get surgery on that, and I was
Speaker 2: also doing physical therapy, learning how to walk and go
Speaker 2: up and down the stairs and stuff like that. And
Speaker 2: there was a place called Sharaner's Hospital here in Salt
Speaker 2: Lake City, Utah that takes care of people with different
Speaker 2: walks of life. And one day we were leaving. It
Speaker 2: was just my mom and I and I was sitting
Speaker 2: in the backseat and there was this veteran that had
Speaker 2: gone across a crosswalk in his wheelchair and he was
Speaker 2: missing part of his leg. And I looked out my
Speaker 2: window and I was like, man, that is so sad.
Speaker 2: And my mom just stopped and she's like, why is
Speaker 2: that sad? And I was like, because he was born
Speaker 2: with arms and legs and then randomly one day he
Speaker 2: was without them and is having to start from ground
Speaker 2: zero aware And for me, it's been my entire life
Speaker 2: and now he's having to start all over. And my
Speaker 2: mom was like, WHOA. Because I was probably only five
Speaker 2: years old when I had that realization. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: it didn't really hit me mentally and emotionally how different
Speaker 2: I was until junior high. And you get into the
Speaker 2: big fish bowl with all the piranhas that are willing
Speaker 2: to eat you alive. There are lots of days that
Speaker 2: I would come home sobbing my eyes out and locking
Speaker 2: myself in my bedroom because I was so mortified with
Speaker 2: the way that I looked, because of the people around
Speaker 2: me telling me that I wasn't good enough and that
Speaker 2: I was a waste of life and blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: And as a seventh grader, do you give into those
Speaker 2: and you believe them because you know no different, And
Speaker 2: you also don't want to reach out to your parents
Speaker 2: and tell them that you are being bullied and stuff.
Speaker 2: But I also had a brother who was the same
Speaker 2: age as me that was seeing a lot of this,
Speaker 2: and he was six foot seven, and so he would
Speaker 2: go and stomp out the bullies and everything. Don't pick
Speaker 2: on my brother, or he'd be like, why don't you
Speaker 2: just run them over with your wheelchair my dad over
Speaker 2: with my whelchair, which I definitely did a few times.
Speaker 2: There were lots of conversations that I have with my
Speaker 2: brother and he would just always tell me, you can't
Speaker 2: listen to those people. You know who you are and
Speaker 2: they don't know who you are. They're very immaturable. Bloh.
Speaker 2: But I ended up having to switch schools because it
Speaker 2: was getting so bad on my mental health, and I
Speaker 2: went to a charter school that focused on leadership and
Speaker 2: personal growth, and that really built me as an individual
Speaker 2: and prepared me to go back into the public school system,
Speaker 2: which got me into doing dancing, which was a huge
Speaker 2: creative outlet. And I think it's very useful for somebody
Speaker 2: who is different than everybody around them to have some
Speaker 2: sort of creative outlet, whether that's art or music or dancing,
Speaker 2: something that they can have that's their very own, but
Speaker 2: also brings a community of people that share that love
Speaker 2: and interest to help build them up and show them
Speaker 2: that these differences are what makes you a person. And
Speaker 2: so my senior year of high school, I was on
Speaker 2: the dance company team and we took a dance to State,
Speaker 2: which was a dance that I choreographed all by myself,
Speaker 2: which was about myself and people who have limbs, who
Speaker 2: constantly think that I need help, but I don't need help.
Speaker 2: And so I came out on the stage in a
Speaker 2: push wheelchair and I get out of the pushwere wheelchair,
Speaker 2: and then they put me back into the push work
Speaker 2: cure and then I get back out and then we
Speaker 2: start dancing into sync and we realize that it's okay
Speaker 2: to be different and our difference is are what make
Speaker 2: a shine and everything. And so I was trying to
Speaker 2: copy his movement even though I didn't have the limbs
Speaker 2: to show it. I was doing in my own way,
Speaker 2: and then he was trying to copy my own movement
Speaker 2: with his limbs and show that at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, and really, we all have a disability, whether
Speaker 2: that's mentally, physically, or emotionally, and as society we need
Speaker 2: to learn to express those and show that it's okay
Speaker 2: to be different and the beautifulness is in being different.
Speaker 2: It is so needed and so wanted. What that's with, religion, sexuality, disabilities,
Speaker 2: whatever it may be, to be shined and shown that
Speaker 2: being different is okay. And right now on social media,
Speaker 2: I'm learning that it's not being taught very much within
Speaker 2: schools or in the workforce or anything like that about
Speaker 2: other people being different than the person that you are
Speaker 2: and learning to celebrate that and own it and really
Speaker 2: love another person for being that. So that's why I
Speaker 2: love that I have the platform and the voice that
Speaker 2: I have on TikTok, even though some days I want
Speaker 2: to crawl in a hole because the comments are and
Speaker 2: super out of this world. Fay, Oh my god, it's
Speaker 2: crazy teaching me and making me learn and grow and
Speaker 2: have more empathy for other people who have it far
Speaker 2: worse than I do, and it's what keeps me wanting
Speaker 2: to go more and more so that it's going to
Speaker 2: get a going to be better again at some point,
Speaker 2: kind of like that Beyonce song, I was here, and
Speaker 2: I want to make sure that I was here, I
Speaker 2: was known, I was seen, and that I made my
Speaker 2: imprint on the world and showed my difference and express
Speaker 2: that and showing other people that it's okay.
Speaker 4: And you are absolutely doing that. I'm so excited that
Speaker 4: you have the platform you have and it's grown so
Speaker 4: much because I think you are really spreading that message
Speaker 4: for so many people. And that's what this show is
Speaker 4: all about, that your life and what makes you yay
Speaker 4: in that life is meant to be fundamentally different to
Speaker 4: everyone else. What's one person's joy is another person's nightmare,
Speaker 4: and the world wouldn't work if it was any other way.
Speaker 4: And what's interesting is that a lot of people who
Speaker 4: have come on the show have that same experience as you,
Speaker 4: that their difference whether it's physical ability, gender, sexuality, or race.
Speaker 4: Even when they're younger, they don't even notice really that
Speaker 4: it's a difference. Kids are just so innocent they see
Speaker 4: the world in a particular way. And then it's later
Speaker 4: in life, in high school, in that Piranha's den, that
Speaker 4: we learn that difference is bad. We learn that behavior
Speaker 4: to think that we need to suppress the things that
Speaker 4: make us unique, which means it's something that we should unlearn,
Speaker 4: which I think is where you, as a role model,
Speaker 4: really come in and are doing some wonderful work. But
Speaker 4: before we get into how you propelled onto the scene
Speaker 4: and built the platform that you have, Adam, it is
Speaker 4: your turn. What was your childhood like? What was the
Speaker 4: Mormon faith like for you? I read that your first
Speaker 4: job was actually in dominoes, and then now you've ended
Speaker 4: up in nursing, working in hospitals, and I know that
Speaker 4: the past couple of years must have been an absolutely
Speaker 4: manic time for you in that role. So tell us
Speaker 4: about your path.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love Yeah, So growing up there was a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff going on underneath the surface that I
Speaker 1: didn't realize wasn't normal.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So I'm not gay, I'm by and so I just
Speaker 1: assumed everyone was the same because I grew up with
Speaker 1: undiagnosed like anxiety, like just a bunch of just turmoil,
Speaker 1: I guess you could say. And so I just, you know,
Speaker 1: like you were saying earlier, were blinded by our own experience.
Speaker 1: I thought everyone had the same experience as me, so
Speaker 1: that everyone was attracted to everyone, But people just had
Speaker 1: straight relationships because that's, you know, how families. I grew
Speaker 1: up in a traditional family. That's how you have families,
Speaker 1: and you move on and you move forward and everything.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that some of the things I did
Speaker 1: as I grew up were like coping mechanisms. I would
Speaker 1: sneak out of the house, not to do anything.
Speaker 3: Like scary or illegal.
Speaker 1: It was to like run two or three miles just
Speaker 1: to get rid of some excess energy. Or there'd be
Speaker 1: nights where I'd sleep fifteen twenty minutes, but I'd wake
Speaker 1: up go to school the next day like nothing was different.
Speaker 1: I grew up with migraines like almost every day, like
Speaker 1: it was just you know, I just thought everyone dealt
Speaker 1: with it the same way I did and pretend not
Speaker 1: pretended like it was okay because to me it was okay.
Speaker 1: And so when I went on, like you were saying earlier,
Speaker 1: I grew up LDS.
Speaker 3: And so I went on an LDS mission to South
Speaker 3: Africa and.
Speaker 1: That kind of threw me in an environment where I
Speaker 1: couldn't do a lot of those coping mechanisms.
Speaker 4: Adam, sorry to interrupt. What's LDS standfoard just for the leasteness.
Speaker 1: It's the shortened version of the Church of Jesus Christ
Speaker 1: of Latter day Saints, which is nicknamed more because they
Speaker 1: read the Book of Mormon, so it's like and it's
Speaker 1: just another nickname. So yeah, LDS stands for Latter Day.
Speaker 2: Saying, which now they have changed it to where you
Speaker 2: have to say the fule thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well they recommend it. They don't like make you
Speaker 3: have to a bunch of details. They want it to
Speaker 3: be like more known.
Speaker 1: One of the rumors of the LDS church is that
Speaker 1: they don't worship Jesus or God.
Speaker 3: It's Joseph Smith. So they just want to.
Speaker 1: Make sure that Jesus' name is in the name so
Speaker 1: that doesn't get lost. But anyway, so yeah, I grew
Speaker 1: up LDS. When I went on the LDS mission, I
Speaker 1: lost a lot of those coping mechanisms and so.
Speaker 3: That like anxiety, the turmoil, everything just bubbled up to
Speaker 3: the breaking point you know that a lot of people have.
Speaker 1: Fortunately, I was in a space where a lot of
Speaker 1: the thoughts and a lot of the like impulses to
Speaker 1: cause self harm or like just escape into like all
Speaker 1: these things, I wasn't able to do.
Speaker 3: So I was able to come home and get the
Speaker 3: help I needed. And it was just kind of.
Speaker 1: A really weird time in my life because that was
Speaker 1: when I was twenty. I was a whole different person
Speaker 1: than I was before that because I did everything I
Speaker 1: did before that wasn't necessarily expectations that I was trying
Speaker 1: to meet. Instead, it was just going with the flow, saying, oh, everyone.
Speaker 3: Does these but they just do.
Speaker 1: Something else instead, and I was I was okay with that.
Speaker 1: But coming back home and finding the help that I needed,
Speaker 1: learning that we all have different experiences, learning that I
Speaker 1: don't need to feel this way like I'm an actual
Speaker 1: like person myself and it's okay to be that really
Speaker 1: opened up a lot of opportunities for me, and it
Speaker 1: really allowed me to be able to find out who
Speaker 1: I was, because I didn't know who I was before
Speaker 1: I was a product of the people around me, and
Speaker 1: so it was really cool to be able to just
Speaker 1: kind of try something and give myself the opportunity to
Speaker 1: be honest with myself for the first time, to be like,
Speaker 1: do I actually enjoy this or am I following the
Speaker 1: impulse of those around me?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: And so when Gabe and I met, it was a
Speaker 1: really cool time in my life because I was very
Speaker 1: secure in myself. I had started dating men and women,
Speaker 1: like I never really dated before I was twenty either,
Speaker 1: because it just, you know, I had other things I
Speaker 1: was doing. It just wasn't a big interest. But then
Speaker 1: it was interesting in that aspect too, because I'd get
Speaker 1: a different reaction when I was telling a story about
Speaker 1: a date I went on with the boy versus a
Speaker 1: date when I went on with a girl, and it
Speaker 1: really frustrated me.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like what we were.
Speaker 1: Talking about earlier, where there's more to us than this
Speaker 1: one specific part. Like Gabe, we were saying, there's more
Speaker 1: to him than just what he looks like, and then
Speaker 1: mine was there's more to me than just my sexuality
Speaker 1: because it wasn't about the date. When I said, oh,
Speaker 1: he and I went and did this instead, it was like, wait,
Speaker 1: you did, guys.
Speaker 3: That's when they.
Speaker 1: Started going like, yes, queen, like all this around me,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's not.
Speaker 3: Cute. I don't want that.
Speaker 4: I am not the queen in this relationship.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 4: I actually remember when you told me you were by
Speaker 4: and you were like when I was younger, I just
Speaker 4: didn't know that everyone wasn't like that, and I just
Speaker 4: had this image of you and you're so sweet, just
Speaker 4: being like, why can't we all just love each other?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Baby, why can't we all just get along?
Speaker 1: I think I still like that, And I think that
Speaker 1: whole attitude is what like it was saying earlier, how
Speaker 1: he likes how I'm to learn about people. It's I
Speaker 1: didn't know there was other people out there. I thought
Speaker 1: it was all me in a different shell, you know.
Speaker 1: And so it's just really cool to be able to
Speaker 1: like learn about other people and like see if what
Speaker 1: they're doing is something that I want to do too.
Speaker 3: Like, it's just been a.
Speaker 1: Really cool experience the last like six or seven years.
Speaker 1: This last couple of years with COVID though.
Speaker 3: Has really kind of shaken that.
Speaker 1: And so I think I'm about ready to start another
Speaker 1: like finding out who I am, and it's like I
Speaker 1: haven't lost who I am. I'm still really like myself,
Speaker 1: but it's really hunkered me down to just like doing
Speaker 1: things around the house. I don't have that urge to
Speaker 1: go hang out with my friends like I used to,
Speaker 1: or that urge to like go to a concert or
Speaker 1: even like go anywhere public.
Speaker 4: And so it's just any people, just anything at all.
Speaker 2: I think that, yeah, it sucks, but it's going to
Speaker 2: be fun.
Speaker 3: We're all going to be rediscovering it together.
Speaker 4: I think totally. I love about both of you that
Speaker 4: a lot of people come on the show and their
Speaker 4: pathway is all about and first I was five and
Speaker 4: I wanted to be a doctor, and then I got
Speaker 4: to six and I was like, no, I want to
Speaker 4: be a teacher. And then at nine I was like,
Speaker 4: I want to be a lawyer, and then I became
Speaker 4: a lawyer. Like it's often their identity is so wrapped
Speaker 4: up in what they do, not who they are. And
Speaker 4: the original reason why I started c ZA was because
Speaker 4: I want to know who people are. I don't want
Speaker 4: the first thing that you say when you meet someone
Speaker 4: to be Hi, what do you do? I want it
Speaker 4: to be high. Who are you? What do you find interesting?
Speaker 4: What are your values? What do you want to you know?
Speaker 4: What you want your legacy to be in this world?
Speaker 4: But I didn't have to ask either of you that
Speaker 4: because you both first went into who you are and
Speaker 4: what you do is not really even figured into the equation,
Speaker 4: which I just find so refreshing because it's so rare
Speaker 4: that productivity isn't your entire personality or lifestyle.
Speaker 3: It stresses me.
Speaker 1: Out want it to be my whole personality.
Speaker 4: But that's so good around, which is kind of how
Speaker 4: it should be right work, as you know we have.
Speaker 4: I think this generation has this idea that you have
Speaker 4: to be passionate about your work, otherwise you shouldn't be
Speaker 4: doing it. But sometimes work is just to support the
Speaker 4: life of who you are when you're not working. It
Speaker 4: shouldn't necessarily be the other way around, but it's become that.
Speaker 4: So I love that you guys have such a healthy,
Speaker 4: like a head on your shoulders about the separation between
Speaker 4: those two identities. And before we go onto how the
Speaker 4: chapters have sort of merged since you guys have met
Speaker 4: and followed in love and on very typical gay time,
Speaker 4: have done it all in like twelve months, which I
Speaker 4: think is amazing.
Speaker 3: People here get married so quick.
Speaker 1: My parents their first date to their wedding day was
Speaker 1: ninety days. They were engaged two weeks after a meeting.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Well, you guys have Utah and gay time, so it's
Speaker 4: like Utah gay time. It is just like so you
Speaker 4: might as well have done in like two days. You know,
Speaker 4: just get it done, Get it done. But before we
Speaker 4: move on to the love story, I think what's really
Speaker 4: interesting with you two is you both grew up in
Speaker 4: the Mormon faith and seem to have had very safe
Speaker 4: and loved childhoods and still get on with both of
Speaker 4: your families even though you've since come out. I think
Speaker 4: a lot of people assume that if you leave a
Speaker 4: tight knit community united by values, whether that's religious or otherwise,
Speaker 4: but particularly religious, that it's black and white, and that
Speaker 4: you would be you know, like, I'm so glad to
Speaker 4: not be Mormon anymore and to leave going to the church.
Speaker 4: And you know, I think it's not that simple. I
Speaker 4: think it's possible to move on from a chapter of
Speaker 4: your life and maybe not be part of that faith anymore,
Speaker 4: but not regret it either, and not think that none
Speaker 4: of it was good for you in that chapter. I
Speaker 4: think you can move on from a chapter without regretting
Speaker 4: it or without thinking it wasn't the right thing for you.
Speaker 1: Then.
Speaker 4: So do you guys look back on, you know, being
Speaker 4: part of the raised in the Mormon faith fondly? I
Speaker 4: think there's a book, Ah God, what's it called Educated
Speaker 4: by Tara Westoiba that covers that gray area really long.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of hard for one thing too, because,
Speaker 1: like you're saying, a lot of people do think it's
Speaker 1: black and white, especially here in Utah, because there's such
Speaker 1: a di dichotomy.
Speaker 5: Diiconic dichotomy, because as like, growing up in the church,
Speaker 5: you're told that it's the only true church, and you're
Speaker 5: kind of this is kind of stretching it, So don't take.
Speaker 1: This like word for word. But there's a lot of
Speaker 1: phrases that are part of the church that when you're
Speaker 1: you're a kid can kind of be taken as a
Speaker 1: victimization of themselves and so it becomes a very much
Speaker 1: like them and us. And so when I saw a
Speaker 1: lot of my friends like start to leave the church
Speaker 1: and explore other lifestyles and other things, it was very
Speaker 1: like we're one way and then we have to swing
Speaker 1: all the way. We can't just like dabble and find
Speaker 1: out what is ours or not. It's all acceptance either way.
Speaker 1: You can't be somewhere in the middle. And that was
Speaker 1: really hard for me too, because that was my first reaction.
Speaker 1: I still have a very good relationship with my family
Speaker 1: and with the churches, like the membership. Maybe not on
Speaker 1: the whole, but like I do think the people around
Speaker 1: us who are members of the LDS faith are trying
Speaker 1: to do their best with what they have, and so
Speaker 1: I don't ever hold it against someone if they mentioned
Speaker 1: that they're a part of the church or what. I
Speaker 1: just don't go to church. I've never been a very
Speaker 1: religious person. I've been spiritual, but I.
Speaker 3: Don't like ritual. I don't like I call it some.
Speaker 1: Poetry, you know, or some scripture, because a lot of
Speaker 1: that can get lost, the meaning behind it, can get
Speaker 1: lost in the words or in the motions. And I
Speaker 1: want to feel things for what they are instead of
Speaker 1: for what I expect them to be.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: And so that was something that I had to break
Speaker 1: through as I was figuring out, like I mentioned before,
Speaker 1: if I like something or if I didn't that I
Speaker 1: didn't automatically swing all the way the other way like
Speaker 1: some of the people.
Speaker 3: Around me have.
Speaker 1: But I guess my advice for those people that are
Speaker 1: listening that feel like it is all or nothing, like
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be. Just because you think, or
Speaker 1: you expect, or the people around you have enjoyed something
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean you have to participate. And just because
Speaker 1: you don't participate in something doesn't This is a lot
Speaker 1: of words that I'm trying to like put piece together
Speaker 1: at the same time. But just because you do one
Speaker 1: thing that's different doesn't mean you need to do everything else.
Speaker 1: And that's not a betrayal to either side. That is
Speaker 1: not a betrayal to either side at all.
Speaker 3: Because you were finding who you are, you're not.
Speaker 1: Finding out anything else besides.
Speaker 4: That so true, and I think something that I try
Speaker 4: to emphasize on the show is that life really unravels
Speaker 4: in chapters. It's not just one book where you have
Speaker 4: to decide something when you're young and then stick to
Speaker 4: that for the whole rest of your life, like or
Speaker 4: you choose one career and that has to last you forever.
Speaker 4: It's okay if you close one chapter and start a
Speaker 4: totally different one without regretting the one before, or without
Speaker 4: thinking that if there was anything bad about it or
Speaker 4: casting judgment on it. It's okay if you know that
Speaker 4: did serve you well when you were younger. And then
Speaker 4: you just decide, Okay, this isn't me anymore, and you
Speaker 4: close it and you slowly move on to the next one.
Speaker 4: And same with relationships. It's the same thing. I think
Speaker 4: it's possible to not want something anymore without regretting it.
Speaker 4: And I think a lot of people would struggle with
Speaker 4: that concept, particularly in terms of something where their values
Speaker 4: change as they get older, and then their values are
Speaker 4: no longer consistent with an earlier chapter. They tend to
Speaker 4: not be able to acknowledge that there are good things
Speaker 4: in some tougher chapters that you end up leaving.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in Permanent is something that I kind of struggle
Speaker 1: with because I want things to be permanent, and so like,
Speaker 1: I'll try to set things up for what they are,
Speaker 1: and so when it's time to let go of something,
Speaker 1: I'm like, that should have been permanent, and it's just
Speaker 1: like I don't have to let.
Speaker 3: It go, but it's trude.
Speaker 1: I let it go, and it wasn't a waste of work,
Speaker 1: It wasn't a waste of time. It served its purpose
Speaker 1: and now it's time to upgrade, you know, like when
Speaker 1: the new phone comes up, a new pair of shoes,
Speaker 1: like work with it, Like just enjoy what you have now, enjoy.
Speaker 4: The new I always say, nothing is ever a waste
Speaker 4: if you learned something from it. So even if it
Speaker 4: was a chapter that you absolutely hated and you never
Speaker 4: use that skill set again, if it teaches you what
Speaker 4: you don't want, that still gets you a step closer
Speaker 4: to what you do want. So a lot of people
Speaker 4: look back at chapters of their lives and they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: I was you know, like me, I was a lawyer
Speaker 4: for ten years of my life studying to get there,
Speaker 4: And people like, do you think that was a waste
Speaker 4: of time? I'm like, absolutely not. I wouldn't be where
Speaker 4: I am without that ten years. So how could I
Speaker 4: ever regret even though I didn't stick with it, obviously, Like,
Speaker 4: how could I regret that it taught me what I
Speaker 4: didn't want and it made me who I have become.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think if you look at life that way,
Speaker 4: you live without a lot of regret because you're sort
Speaker 4: of like everything has a purpose in getting you in
Speaker 4: all those little dots connecting, which connected so beautifully when
Speaker 4: your paths collided, the ultimate Parthia to each other. How
Speaker 4: did you guys meet? I hear your first date was
Speaker 4: like a proper like three pm to two am situation.
Speaker 4: Next minute Adamson drops to one knee and has proposed,
Speaker 4: and then you're having the wedding.
Speaker 1: Of the year.
Speaker 4: So you guys meeting each other is like a fairy tale.
Speaker 4: Like I feel like you're both just two jigs or
Speaker 4: puzzle pieces that fit each other's everything so well. And
Speaker 4: from the minute I met you, I was like, these
Speaker 4: guys have something so good, Like you have such a
Speaker 4: good balance between supporting each other in each other's things
Speaker 4: even though they're so different, but also having independence, Like
Speaker 4: I love that you know, Adam, you go hiking and
Speaker 4: Gabe can't always go hiking with you, but you pick
Speaker 4: a flower for him every single time you go on
Speaker 4: a hike, which I just think is so beautiful, Like
Speaker 4: little things like that. You guys have so much independence,
Speaker 4: like and Gabe has his whole TikTok career about Adam's
Speaker 4: kind of like part of it, but like not because
Speaker 4: that's you know, I don't know. I just think you
Speaker 4: guys had such a perfect match. So tell us the
Speaker 4: love story and how you got to this beautiful moment
Speaker 4: today where you're renovating your house together, which is why
Speaker 4: Adam could just paint all over his hands and face.
Speaker 1: So the time that Gabe and I like met and
Speaker 1: first started talking, it was actually on Tinder, which is
Speaker 1: kind of embarrassing, but.
Speaker 4: It's the greatest.
Speaker 1: It's twenty twenty. Well, it was twenty twenty when we met. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was twenty twenty when we started talking. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the like with the new normal, I guess to
Speaker 1: meet online.
Speaker 4: But totally that's how it's done.
Speaker 1: Now. I had just gotten out of a relatively long
Speaker 1: relationship and had been single for a minute and thought
Speaker 1: it would be good to get jump back in the
Speaker 1: dating game. And so I was walking on my way
Speaker 1: to work and I pulled out Tinder and he was
Speaker 1: the first face that popped up, and I started scrolling
Speaker 1: through his pictures and I just had that like jump
Speaker 1: in my chest and in my throat, knowing that this
Speaker 1: was someone that that was important.
Speaker 3: It didn't tell me that it.
Speaker 1: Was, you know, soulmates yet or anything. But it was
Speaker 1: definitely like that feeling that I get when I'm about
Speaker 1: to meet someone that's going to be important to me
Speaker 1: in my story. And so I was looking through his
Speaker 1: pictures again because I was going to swipe right, but
Speaker 1: got that feeling not yet, which I thought was weird
Speaker 1: considering the other feeling I had just gotten right. And
Speaker 1: so I was like scrolling through his pictures again and
Speaker 1: that's when I noticed he didn't have arm or legs,
Speaker 1: and anyone in that situ suation would have the whole
Speaker 1: like is this a deal breaker moment? And so like
Speaker 1: I moled it for a minute, I was like, no,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. Whatever happens happens, like we'll just we'll just
Speaker 1: we'll just take it as it counts.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 1: I worked all day that day, then I went to
Speaker 1: bed that night, and then onto work the next day,
Speaker 1: like exactly twenty four hours later, I had that feeling.
Speaker 3: To just pull out my phone and swipe. So I
Speaker 3: pulled him up. He was still I had screenshot at him.
Speaker 1: I'd like done everything to make sure every plant him
Speaker 1: that he would disappear, and so I swiped right, and
Speaker 1: it was a swipe and type, you know, like you
Speaker 1: swipe right and it's an immediate match to type.
Speaker 4: And so no, I don't know with my husband, Sin's
Speaker 4: before the app, so I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I made up the pree swipe and type, so I
Speaker 1: don't even know if anyone else knows what that is.
Speaker 3: So it's fine. So it's a swipe and type.
Speaker 1: And so I did this cute little message and he
Speaker 1: immediately responded, which I think set the energy for the
Speaker 1: rest of the relationship.
Speaker 3: It was just like immediate back.
Speaker 1: And forth, like we were just like just getting to
Speaker 1: know each other. It was it was a great time.
Speaker 1: I had a trip planned that weekend and so our
Speaker 1: first date wasn't for another week. But after we had
Speaker 1: been dating for a little bit, we decided to look
Speaker 1: back at our messages and he had snuck a message
Speaker 1: in before my first one, and so his was a
Speaker 1: swiping tight too. We had swiped at the exact same second.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that is so cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we know it was meant to be. There's
Speaker 1: something or someone out there like forcing us to and
Speaker 1: it's been perfect.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. And I just love so much that
Speaker 4: you know, people are like, oh love that best sign
Speaker 4: like doesn't really happen, but obviously I think when you're
Speaker 4: really connected to someone, it does. And when you can
Speaker 4: turn that into a conversation and then turn that into
Speaker 4: a date, and then you know, like I understand the whole,
Speaker 4: Like why waste time, particularly in the middle of a pandemic.
Speaker 4: It's like, if you found someone that you love to
Speaker 4: spend twenty four seven with and who makes you feel
Speaker 4: like a better person and opens up the world to you, Like,
Speaker 4: why are you going to waste time?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, So how was it for you, guys? Because
Speaker 4: I think if you haven't lived with or had a
Speaker 4: close friend who's had a physical disability before, I feel
Speaker 4: like the first time you broach a lot of things
Speaker 4: like I think some of my friends who have physical
Speaker 4: disabilities or who can't do certain things independently, but you
Speaker 4: can do everything else independently. I get kind of awkward
Speaker 4: sometimes about when I offer help or when I don't
Speaker 4: offer help without seeming like, you know, without doing the
Speaker 4: wrong thing. You just want to do the right thing.
Speaker 4: You don't want anyone to feel uncomfortable. The first date
Speaker 4: and then how that unraveled into like we're dating and
Speaker 4: then we're moving in together. How did you guys navigate
Speaker 4: all that?
Speaker 3: That's another one for you, another one for me.
Speaker 1: Okay, well I guess I'll keep doing all the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was something that I thought about.
Speaker 1: You know, my go to first date has always been
Speaker 1: a coffee shop because we can both drive there independently.
Speaker 1: We've already paid for our drinks and so, and it's public.
Speaker 1: It's safe for both people because one I don't want
Speaker 1: the other person to feel intimidated. I don't want to
Speaker 1: feel intimidated. And if they suck, I can leave, Like
Speaker 1: it's not like we have to work for the chet
Speaker 1: and I have to drive home awkwardly to Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so it was. It was the coffee shop date, and
Speaker 1: I was I had to pick him up, like obviously.
Speaker 1: So I went and picked him up, and I just
Speaker 1: tried to make it as normal as possible. And I
Speaker 1: told him right off the bat too. I was like,
Speaker 1: just just to kind of help me know his limitations
Speaker 1: and give him a window of opportunity to explain them
Speaker 1: to me. I was just I'm going to assume you
Speaker 1: can do everything and tell you tell.
Speaker 3: Me you need help.
Speaker 4: Oh good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I just kind of you know, made
Speaker 1: it like anybody else. The only thing that I did
Speaker 1: of my own volition was push his wheelchair, like that's
Speaker 1: the only open doors. But that's something I would do
Speaker 1: for any date at the time. And then if he
Speaker 1: needed something, he asked for it. And I think that's
Speaker 1: kind kind of just how it's been our whole relationship.
Speaker 3: Not that I'm like, do it yourself, but.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to assume until you do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I've been surprised because I've had to do hardly anything.
Speaker 3: The dishes.
Speaker 4: You literally said that to me the first time. You
Speaker 4: were like, I do know things, basically, Yeah, like everyone
Speaker 4: is always surprised.
Speaker 2: I could fall laundry too. I just don't.
Speaker 3: You can't. Okay, Well we've got to. We've got to
Speaker 3: reach up of the bag.
Speaker 4: Gabe. How about you? I feel like you seem so
Speaker 4: balanced and after I'm sure having done a lot of work,
Speaker 4: feel very secure in your abilities and have so much
Speaker 4: independence and have obviously I mean, guys, I can't believe
Speaker 4: it's taken me this long to get to because the
Speaker 4: story is just so interesting. But if you haven't seen
Speaker 4: Gabe on TikTok, he does make up better than ninety
Speaker 4: five to ninety nine percent of the population without arms
Speaker 4: can put lushes on, Like there is basically nothing you
Speaker 4: can't do, and I love I asked for Game's email
Speaker 4: to send him the questions for this interview, and it's limitless,
Speaker 4: but like limb itless, which is just amazing. I love
Speaker 4: it because I'm like, he is limitless and liveless, so
Speaker 4: this is just amazing. How did you get to a
Speaker 4: place where And I think everyone has this situation in
Speaker 4: relationships often where the gaps that we find in ourselves
Speaker 4: we often try and fill them with other people when
Speaker 4: we're first dating, and it's hard to just figure out
Speaker 4: who you are, be comfortable in you, and then find
Speaker 4: a healthy relationship in that. Did you ever find like
Speaker 4: that you've saw validation and other people? Has it been
Speaker 4: awkward for you the first time you go on a
Speaker 4: date and you're explaining what you can and can't do, Like,
Speaker 4: how have you navigated the dating world? And what was
Speaker 4: it like then to meet Adam and be like, this
Speaker 4: is my person except when we get married, he can't
Speaker 4: take my name because then it'd be Adam Adams and
Speaker 4: it'll be really awkward.
Speaker 1: Think it would be cool as hell, but he thinks
Speaker 1: it's not the vibe.
Speaker 4: Adam Adams is such a vibe. It would be a
Speaker 4: It would be amazing.
Speaker 3: I go back to school and get my degree.
Speaker 1: I'll be doctor Adam Adams Like, how lad would that be?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Well I believe it could still happen anyway, Gabe,
Speaker 4: how has it been for you and what was it
Speaker 4: like to meet your person?
Speaker 2: Well, I first started dating when I was probably like fifteen,
Speaker 2: and so I kind of wasn't new to it when
Speaker 2: it came to Adam that still everybody gets as butterflies.
Speaker 2: And what if he doesn't like me? What if this
Speaker 2: goes wrong? What if I'm too heavy for him to lift?
Speaker 2: What if he grabs me awkwardly to pick me up?
Speaker 2: What if I fall out of my wheelchair in front
Speaker 2: of him? And all these different tings on, like the
Speaker 2: first date not just offend that a bunch of other
Speaker 2: guys and stuff like that. But one thing that stood
Speaker 2: out to Adam when we were dating, Like on our
Speaker 2: first date, we went to that coffee shop, and in
Speaker 2: that coffee shop you could play games, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to touch any pieces with my mouth.
Speaker 3: This was before COVID too, so it's not just like
Speaker 3: COVID in general. If it was.
Speaker 1: During COVID, it would not have been in the coffee
Speaker 1: shop in a public place with germs and pieces to touch, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: just just to throw out there.
Speaker 2: If I don't own it, it's not like mine personally,
Speaker 2: I won't touch it with my mouth, but if it
Speaker 2: is mine that I'll touch it with my mouth because
Speaker 2: I know exactly where it's been and I can't. And
Speaker 2: so we walked in and we started to look at
Speaker 2: the game selection and everything, and Adam, without like asking
Speaker 2: or anything to straight off about, was like, Hey, could
Speaker 2: I get a cup for him to play this game
Speaker 2: for like rolling dice and everything. And I was like, oh, wow,
Speaker 2: he's already thinking like two steps ahead of me of
Speaker 2: like how could he play the game and everything, And
Speaker 2: so that really stood out to me. And then when
Speaker 2: we were driving home from the coffee shop up it
Speaker 2: was probably like four thirty something, yeah, a couple, and
Speaker 2: I thought he was just going to drop me off
Speaker 2: at home and go on about his day and never
Speaker 2: really talk to me again, because that's what I was
Speaker 2: used to in the dating scene, where guys just being
Speaker 2: curious of what it would be like to wannagate with
Speaker 2: me or try and get in my pants and do
Speaker 2: all these things. But with Adam it was completely different.
Speaker 2: So we started driving back to my house and I
Speaker 2: was like, well, it was really fun to see you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, and he's like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: And I was like, you're are done right, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I want to come over. Let's hang out more. And
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay. And I was living with
Speaker 2: my brother and my sister in law and their four
Speaker 2: kids at the time, and so I texted my sister
Speaker 2: in law because I'm super close to her, and I
Speaker 2: was like, hey, mar D, it's going to come over.
Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, perfect, I'm making a big meal
Speaker 2: for dinner. He should stay over for dinner. And I
Speaker 2: was like, no, he doesn't need to.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, you met the family on day one.
Speaker 1: None of this was expected by the way, you know,
Speaker 1: like I go into every first date giving it the
Speaker 1: option of being longer or as short as five minutes,
Speaker 1: and so this was just like going with the flow,
Speaker 1: Like I genuinely wanted to meet everybody and see his
Speaker 1: life and get to know him a little bit and
Speaker 1: well a lot a bit, but at.
Speaker 2: The coffee shop, we FaceTime my mom and my aunt
Speaker 2: and my sister because my sister at the time was
Speaker 2: serving a LBS mission a few states away from us,
Speaker 2: and so every Tuesday week her and so we happened
Speaker 2: to do the at the same time.
Speaker 3: We were at the coffee shop, I met everybody.
Speaker 2: So we met my mom and my aunt that day,
Speaker 2: and then we went to my plust that I was
Speaker 2: looking at with my sister in law and my brother.
Speaker 2: And when we first walked into the door, I hadn't
Speaker 2: asked him to stay for dinner yet, it was my
Speaker 2: sister in law was like, Hey, do you want to
Speaker 2: stay for dinner?
Speaker 3: And I was like, would you like to stay forever?
Speaker 3: And he's like yeah, so sorry kidding.
Speaker 2: And so then all the kids were jumping on him
Speaker 2: and everything. That like really stood out to me that
Speaker 2: my nieces and nephews really liked him as well, and
Speaker 2: he was really good with them, impatient and fun with them,
Speaker 2: and so I was like, oh, okay, that's kind of cute.
Speaker 2: And then my thirteen year old niece at the time
Speaker 2: was like, you guys want to go watch Kardashians downstairs
Speaker 2: with me? And I was like, yeah, sure, and Adam
Speaker 2: have never seen the Kardashians really, so we started watching
Speaker 2: The Kardashians and were like bench probably like six episodes.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then he was getting ready to go like two
Speaker 2: in the morning, and I was like, well, it's good
Speaker 2: to see you, thank you. And he's like, oh, I'll
Speaker 2: be back tomorrow. And I was like tomorrow and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I just got to go home and sleep and go
Speaker 2: to work and everything. Then I'll be back. And I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay, and he's like, do you want
Speaker 2: to like have an actual sleepover? And I was like yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: And so in my head I was like freaking out.
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, she's going to see that I snore.
Speaker 2: He's going to see that. I knew that he was
Speaker 2: definitely a keeper, and then laid down our relationship before
Speaker 2: I had ever met him. When I was I think sixteen,
Speaker 2: I had a dream about the guy that I would
Speaker 2: marry and what my wedding would be like and everything,
Speaker 2: and it was always a guy waiting for me at
Speaker 2: the end of the aisle. He had glasses, he had
Speaker 2: brown hair, he was cute, he was funny, but his
Speaker 2: face was always very blurred out, but always envisioned what
Speaker 2: I was going to wear as well for my wedding outfit.
Speaker 2: So I sketched my wedding offit years and years and
Speaker 2: years before our actual wedding, and I just needed somebody
Speaker 2: to create it for me. And so a few months
Speaker 2: before the wedding, I reached out to a bunch of
Speaker 2: designers on TikTok that weren't like super well known, and
Speaker 2: seven of them got back to me out of ten,
Speaker 2: and there was one that I just instantly connected with
Speaker 2: that was from California and she was the sweetest, sweetest,
Speaker 2: sweetest person I've ever met in my life. And I
Speaker 2: sent her my designs and everything and she's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I could easily delete delete that because I in that.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my gosh, really and she's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure. And so we like went over designed details
Speaker 2: and then we went and met each other and it
Speaker 2: was very cool because it was also during the height
Speaker 2: of COVID as well, and so we wore a mask.
Speaker 2: We met in a hotel. Adam went down to the
Speaker 2: lobby for like two hours while we did the dress
Speaker 2: fitting and everything, and we just really connected to dress
Speaker 2: fitting and everything and walking down the aisle. It didn't
Speaker 2: hit me during the wedding, like prep and everything, that
Speaker 2: I was about to marry the man of my dreams
Speaker 2: and that this was my dream wedding and I was
Speaker 2: going to have everybody that I loved and wanted there
Speaker 2: and there and so walking down the aisle, I was
Speaker 2: probably just a few steps from Adam and we both
Speaker 2: locked eyes, and I think it hit us both and
Speaker 2: we both start getting tearied eyed and choking up. And
Speaker 2: I told Adam might speak for the wedding, and I
Speaker 2: was like, if you don't cry, well, I walked down
Speaker 2: the aisle, I'm going to turn back around and we're
Speaker 2: gonna all again.
Speaker 3: I cried the whole night.
Speaker 2: Then I was like in the moment, I was like, wait,
Speaker 2: I can't cry. I have makeup on, it's gonna smear
Speaker 2: and everything. I bo Adam and like, wiped my tea.
Speaker 4: You your tea.
Speaker 3: He was going to complain about his makeup if I didn't.
Speaker 4: Such a diva.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was definitely my dream very till wedding,
Speaker 2: and I'm so happy that all the pieces connected and
Speaker 2: that I had Adam to the my forever stouse and
Speaker 2: my family there and his family there and a few
Speaker 2: close friends and everything just super cute.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, you guys the wedding photos and videos
Speaker 4: and you showed me the sketches and your fittings and
Speaker 4: it was just gives me goosebumps, Like watching you guys dance,
Speaker 4: and I think you posted a video the other day
Speaker 4: of Adam putting you into a dip in the middle
Speaker 4: of one of your dances, and it was just like
Speaker 4: you've like thrown your whole head back and it's just
Speaker 4: this beautiful, y, antique moment that just looked so filled
Speaker 4: with joy but also propelled you into internet fame. Now
Speaker 4: as this incredible creator who has also become very very
Speaker 4: well known for your outstanding makeup skills. You now have
Speaker 4: how many millions of followers around the world.
Speaker 1: Two point two million or you hit two point two.
Speaker 4: So what has that been like? Like, I feel like
Speaker 4: a lot of people build their audiences gradually over time,
Speaker 4: and they have time to adjust to what it means
Speaker 4: to be in the public eye. Like they get small
Speaker 4: increments and as they grow, they get a tribe and
Speaker 4: then they you know, get to figure out trolling and
Speaker 4: they get to figure out content and managing balance between
Speaker 4: real life and content like they have time to do that.
Speaker 4: But because it's happened so fast for you and for
Speaker 4: both of you as a unit, like people love you together,
Speaker 4: how have you adjusted to that?
Speaker 1: How?
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously it gives you a wonderful platform for
Speaker 4: visibility and to spread your message about embracing your difference
Speaker 4: and uniqueness. But I'm sure it also comes with challenges
Speaker 4: as well, with privacy and dealing with some of the
Speaker 4: terrible people who live on the internet. You know, how
Speaker 4: are you adjusting to this fame all around the world?
Speaker 4: Like you literally said to me when we're away, I'm
Speaker 4: obsessed with this couple Compia and Kine from Australia, And
Speaker 4: I told them and they were like, yeah, we know, Gabe,
Speaker 4: And then like all away from Utah, you know this
Speaker 4: Australian couples, Like yeah, we follow them, Like that's insane.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I know it's super cliche to say, but it
Speaker 2: really happened over a few nights. And it all happened
Speaker 2: on our honeymoon, really, And we had our honeymoon in
Speaker 2: New York and I think it was probably like our
Speaker 2: third day, really, we went to the walk around like
Speaker 2: the Tracks in New York and there's like this bridge
Speaker 2: that's like built in two tracks that people can walk
Speaker 2: and tour around.
Speaker 1: So it's called a park that used to be a
Speaker 1: subway thing about ground and so they have tracks on it.
Speaker 1: That's why he's calling it.
Speaker 4: Oh I know, it's the high Line.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 4: And Chelsea Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we were doing that and there were a bunch
Speaker 2: of people that would stop us and be like, you're
Speaker 2: that couple from TikTok. Oh my gosh, we just saw
Speaker 2: your wedding video. Oh my gosh, we just saw your
Speaker 2: husband thirty in the pool. Oh my goshs oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: you do this? Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: I'm my home.
Speaker 2: It's like, what the sick is going on? And the
Speaker 2: funny thing is that Adam also posted content.
Speaker 1: On his and for about six hours I had more
Speaker 1: views than he did, so I was like, who's the
Speaker 1: influencer now.
Speaker 3: I was so proud of that.
Speaker 1: And then like like after four hours he immediately like
Speaker 1: doubled it.
Speaker 4: And I think it's at like sixty full million views
Speaker 4: or something.
Speaker 2: Now insane, And even just coming home, it didn't hit
Speaker 2: me like mentally and emotionally like how far I come
Speaker 2: in just my it's time until all the real negative
Speaker 2: comments came in. And I know that people who don't
Speaker 2: do social media always say, don't look at the comments,
Speaker 2: don't look at the comments, But as a social media influencer,
Speaker 2: it's part of your job to kind of see how
Speaker 2: people are taking your content, whether they love it or
Speaker 2: they hate it, the good and the bad, and it's
Speaker 2: going to take central armumental and emotion because sometimes it's
Speaker 2: content that I really, really really love and I pour
Speaker 2: my heart into it, Like there was one that I
Speaker 2: posted that was about my sexual abuse story and coming
Speaker 2: out of that, and it was instantly flooded with negativity
Speaker 2: and being made fun of and having stitches and duets.
Speaker 2: Not even the fact that it was sexual abuse, but
Speaker 2: the fact that I was born without arms and legs
Speaker 2: and my physical disability, And that's kind of what a
Speaker 2: lot of my videos have been about. And sometimes it's
Speaker 2: not even about my sexuality. It's really just back that
Speaker 2: I have no arms and no legs, and people think
Speaker 2: that it's so funny to call me a nugget or
Speaker 2: a vegetails character or this and that, this and that.
Speaker 2: So I've kind of gotten to the point where I'm
Speaker 2: on the TikTok creator fund and I'm also under management
Speaker 2: from the UK, and I will let my content go
Speaker 2: for about three days and then after that three day mark,
Speaker 2: I will turn off the wedding stitches and commenting because
Speaker 2: after the three days, I get my bag of money.
Speaker 2: And as dirty as that sounds, it's worth it to
Speaker 2: me to be able to make a living and know
Speaker 2: that I somehow deserve the income that I'm coming from.
Speaker 2: The negativity that comes up with it, but also there
Speaker 2: is always a lot of positivity that outlaighs the negativity
Speaker 2: and you just to fund it. And that's within the
Speaker 2: LGBTQ plus community, the disability community, the Latin ex community,
Speaker 2: and just other people that really want to love and
Speaker 2: understand the appreciation of what I do on a daily basis,
Speaker 2: whether that's showing my independence like going up and down
Speaker 2: the stairs. There were a lot of comments like why
Speaker 2: would you buy a level home? Is your husband going
Speaker 2: to carry up those stairs? And it was a big
Speaker 2: conversation with him and I that if we were going
Speaker 2: to buy a stair hall, I was going to go
Speaker 2: up and down the stairs. And it's not that I
Speaker 2: learned to go up and down the stairs and one night.
Speaker 2: I've been going up and down the stairs my entire life.
Speaker 2: But we moved into an apartment where it was just
Speaker 2: one flour and so I wasn't having to go up
Speaker 2: and downstairs for a year and a half and I
Speaker 2: kind of actually missed it. And when we moved into
Speaker 2: this house, my bathroom or I s our bathroom. I
Speaker 2: like to have my own bathroom.
Speaker 4: I see how it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a lotid shower. It's a tub shower combo.
Speaker 2: So I had to use a stool outside of the
Speaker 2: tub and then a stool with inside of the tub
Speaker 2: to get in an out. And at first We're like, well,
Speaker 2: we need to rip this out and turn it into
Speaker 2: a walking shower so it's easier and more convenient. But
Speaker 2: now having it, I'm like, no, I actually love the
Speaker 2: test my independence every day of having to get in
Speaker 2: and that shower, even if it takes a few more
Speaker 2: steps in a few more minutes. I enjoy and appreciate
Speaker 2: the hard work that I've had to do over the
Speaker 2: years to get to where I am physically to get
Speaker 2: myself up and down the Sperris in and out of
Speaker 2: the shower and up on the toilet, off the toilet
Speaker 2: and dress and brush my teeth and brush my hair
Speaker 2: and do my own makeup. And I think when I
Speaker 2: was living at the apartment, I kind of took that
Speaker 2: all for granted, and I didn't realize that until we
Speaker 2: moved into this counse and I was like, oh wow,
Speaker 2: I actually really really appreciate all the hard work that
Speaker 2: I've done over the years. And I don't really give
Speaker 2: myself that pattern on the back because once again, it's
Speaker 2: my everyday life, and so it becomes the everyday norm
Speaker 2: for me. I don't second guys, I don't set or anything.
Speaker 2: And when I was eighteen, I went to New York
Speaker 2: Fashion Week and I walked as a model, and I
Speaker 2: went there all by myself. I traveled there all by myself.
Speaker 2: And when I first told my parents, I didn't tell
Speaker 2: them until the day before I left that I was
Speaker 2: going to be going there on my own, and they
Speaker 2: were freaking out and everything. I was like, no, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be fine. You guys got me to this point mentally, physically,
Speaker 2: emotionally like I'm ready to do it. I want to
Speaker 2: do it, and I'm like, okay, we'll just leave your
Speaker 2: phone on, don't talk to strangers, stick to yourself, don't drive,
Speaker 2: don't ride a taxi, blah blah blah blah. And I
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, yeah, you know, I definitely broke a
Speaker 2: lot of those rules my first day there. I reade
Speaker 2: a taxi, I talked to strangers. But I was doing that.
Speaker 2: And the whole reason that I was doing that fashion
Speaker 2: show was because they were about showing people with all
Speaker 2: different walks of life, whether they're blind or missing limbs
Speaker 2: or amputated limbs or in wheelchairs or whatever it may
Speaker 2: be that makes them stand out differently. They were getting
Speaker 2: showcased in the fashion community and making noise that not
Speaker 2: everybody is the same, and not every piece is going
Speaker 2: to be easy for somebody who was different to be
Speaker 2: able to put on, Like for me, I need elasticitywear
Speaker 2: in my pants owndwear for me to be able to
Speaker 2: put it on by myself, where some people need a
Speaker 2: magnet where the button is so that they can flop
Speaker 2: it open and step and be able to get themselves
Speaker 2: dressing undressed. And I was getting ready to walk the
Speaker 2: runway and they played the song just the Way You
Speaker 2: Are by Bruno Mars, and I was eighteen years old,
Speaker 2: and I had never pat myself on the pack or
Speaker 2: all the hard work, but I hadn't gotten too and
Speaker 2: I instantly hit me and I broke down emotionally and
Speaker 2: started sobbing as I was getting ready to walk the
Speaker 2: runway because I was like, Oh my gosh, I am
Speaker 2: eighteen years old walking New York Fashion Week all on
Speaker 2: my own. I get myself dressed, I get myself in
Speaker 2: another shower, I did my own hair and makeup. I
Speaker 2: really truly made this happen for myself, and I'm so
Speaker 2: proud of myself. And I got home to my hotel
Speaker 2: and I called my mom and I was like, I
Speaker 2: just want to thank you so much for all the
Speaker 2: tough love that you've given me, because none of this
Speaker 2: would have been possible if you would have babied me
Speaker 2: and never let me really grown and saw my potential
Speaker 2: long before I could see it myself. And I just
Speaker 2: really appreciate that and love and respect you and Dad
Speaker 2: for always pushing me knowing what I was truly capable of.
Speaker 2: And even now I'll go to her house and sometimes
Speaker 2: she gets frustrated because there are things that I'll be
Speaker 2: doing and she's like, do you want me to help
Speaker 2: you with that. I'm like, no, no, my got it.
Speaker 2: I got it. He's like, well, it would just be
Speaker 2: faster if I helped you do it. And I was like, no,
Speaker 2: I got it, and she's like okay, but yeah, and
Speaker 2: that this plays a huge role in adamized relationship as well,
Speaker 2: going back to the independence in him learning what I
Speaker 2: can and can't do on a daily basis. I think
Speaker 2: we both shop each other with what I'm able to do.
Speaker 2: Like those times that I'll call and I can't do this.
Speaker 4: I think that's the same in all relationships. Like you
Speaker 4: guys are an acute example and a visible example of
Speaker 4: something we should all take into all of our relationships
Speaker 4: in that really subtle balance between really supporting and facilitating
Speaker 4: the best life for your partner that you can, but
Speaker 4: also giving them the space to figure out some things
Speaker 4: by themselves. Because when my husband's around, I won't even
Speaker 4: try because I'm like, you know, I won't try something
Speaker 4: like I won't try something scary if he's there, because
Speaker 4: he'll pick me up and be like, oh no, it's fine,
Speaker 4: you know, like we've done. There's an example. We went
Speaker 4: to India and we were hiking in the Himalayas, and
Speaker 4: I at the time hadn't really hiked that much and
Speaker 4: he got food poisoning and he couldn't come. So I
Speaker 4: did this like multi stage, long day thing and fifty
Speaker 4: degree heat and like with water, like it was vertical scrambling.
Speaker 4: And when he was there, I would have a burst
Speaker 4: into tears, sat on the floor and had a massive
Speaker 4: tantrum and knock on any further and turn around, and
Speaker 4: then Dan he would have had to nurse me back
Speaker 4: because I would have been like, no, no, it's so scared.
Speaker 4: But when he's not there, I'm like independent, one man like.
Speaker 4: And I think that's the thing that stood out the
Speaker 4: most to me about you guys, was this beautiful push
Speaker 4: pool of support, independent, support, independence that I thought everyone
Speaker 4: needs that in their friendships with their parents to the children,
Speaker 4: Like every relationship could benefit from that dynamic. And I
Speaker 4: think you're just such good role models and I love
Speaker 4: that you have a platform now to show that because
Speaker 4: we all need a bit more of that, We all
Speaker 4: need a bit more of just just give it a go.
Speaker 4: Like I love when you were like I'm just gonna Adam,
Speaker 4: it was like I'm just gonna throw a game in
Speaker 4: the pool, like, let's just see what happens, you know.
Speaker 3: That was the thing. There was a pool there, and
Speaker 3: he was like, I think I want to jump in
Speaker 3: the pool. And I was like, are you sure. One,
Speaker 3: you're mate up to your outfit, three.
Speaker 4: One your make up, three you're no limbs.
Speaker 3: But I was like, are we getting ahead of ourselves?
Speaker 1: Because sometimes you'll like do decisions is that He'll be like,
Speaker 1: oh wait, no, never mind.
Speaker 4: And so I want to traveling.
Speaker 3: He was like, no, it's such a.
Speaker 6: Trend right now. Everyone at their weddings are jumping in
Speaker 6: the pool at the end of it. And I was like, cool,
Speaker 6: let's do it then and then, and then I got
Speaker 6: roasted for it on the internet too, because everyone was
Speaker 6: all like, you just threw them in there.
Speaker 2: You're just letting them understand that I've been swimming. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was four years old. That was one thing that
Speaker 2: my parents made sure that I was able to do
Speaker 2: because with not having arms or legs, my body overheats
Speaker 2: really easily. And so they instantly found out that going
Speaker 2: to the pool was that we could do as a family,
Speaker 2: but also give me that time to cool off, and
Speaker 2: that I wasn't going to be held when I was
Speaker 2: in the pool. I needed to make sure that I
Speaker 2: was able to travel in the pool, And so I
Speaker 2: got to the point where I was going off the
Speaker 2: diving boards. I'd go off the low dive and do back,
Speaker 2: but where I'd go off a high eye, even though
Speaker 2: I get on top of the high dive, and I'd
Speaker 2: stand up there for like twenty minutes, and everybody at
Speaker 2: the pool just sit there and stare up with me,
Speaker 2: and my Dad's like, either you go off, or all
Speaker 2: come up there and kick you off there to your joys.
Speaker 2: And so that my siblings would like start to climb
Speaker 2: up the lowry They're going to kick me off and
Speaker 2: jump off. But I really love to test the norm
Speaker 2: of what people think I can't and can't do and
Speaker 2: prove that I can do it or I'm going to
Speaker 2: figure out a way to do it.
Speaker 4: The last question that I finished every episode with, because
Speaker 4: I love quote so much as you guys know, is
Speaker 4: what is your favorite quote?
Speaker 1: I used to be a quote person. Now I don't
Speaker 1: like keep them in my pocket, but I do have one.
Speaker 4: Do you really?
Speaker 2: I know?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that makes me so happy. Your makeup
Speaker 4: desk is insane. Guys, you have to go and watch
Speaker 4: gabees makeup tutorials. They are like I just can't even explain.
Speaker 4: I barely know how to use foundation, let alone like
Speaker 4: setting powder and like all the fancy thing contouring. I
Speaker 4: don't even know where to draw the line. And Gabe
Speaker 4: has no arms and literally draws the most precise, beautiful
Speaker 4: contoured line in the entire world. I just you blow
Speaker 4: my mind. You're like dexterity with your shoulder is insane.
Speaker 2: It is crazy sometimes impress myself.
Speaker 4: Also, quick random question for TikTok because you guys know,
Speaker 4: I'm like trying to like figure it out. So when
Speaker 4: you do the hectic makeup transitions, like do you go
Speaker 4: out after or do you literally just do the video
Speaker 4: and then just take it off.
Speaker 1: I come home from work and he's laying in bed
Speaker 1: with a full face sometimes full lushes because the white
Speaker 1: ones started getting makeup.
Speaker 3: So now we have black.
Speaker 4: This is the bts of TikTok life. It looks super glamorous,
Speaker 4: but really like Adam comes home from a full day
Speaker 4: nurse seeing and a hectic healthcare system and Gabe's just
Speaker 4: sitting there with like euphoria makeup, playing like Grand Theft
Speaker 4: Order with you Foria makeup on I love it.
Speaker 3: Before you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are you? Quotes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like your whole big old thing too. So
Speaker 1: I'm not really big of a like I used to
Speaker 1: be more into quotes than I am now. But one
Speaker 1: that's always stuck with me is one that my mom
Speaker 1: would say all the time, and it was and it
Speaker 1: kind of fits the vibe to which I think is fun.
Speaker 1: But it's something that I always have going through my head.
Speaker 1: It's and it sounds awful at first. It's I don't
Speaker 1: care what happens to you, it's what you do about it.
Speaker 4: That's such a good one, and.
Speaker 1: It's it's really good because it's really put into perspective
Speaker 1: some of those things where it's like this sucks, like
Speaker 1: but like what are you going to do about it?
Speaker 1: Like are you going to fix it? Or are you
Speaker 1: going to like do better? Or if something great happens,
Speaker 1: it's like what are you going to.
Speaker 3: Do about it?
Speaker 1: Like are you going to share it? Or are you going
Speaker 1: to like enjoy it and revel in it? Like it's
Speaker 1: it's really put a response to some things, and that's
Speaker 1: what's locked a lot of cool experiences in For me.
Speaker 4: I love that so much because you know, you can't
Speaker 4: control a lot of what life throws your way, good
Speaker 4: or bad, but it's really what you do about it
Speaker 4: and how you action that that makes a difference between
Speaker 4: a really yay field life or just sort of existing
Speaker 4: and coasting along. I love that quote so much.
Speaker 2: For mine, it's more of like a slogan flash model
Speaker 2: that my mom inserted in me at like a very
Speaker 2: young age, and she'd always make me say it when
Speaker 2: I never wanted to say it, but it was I
Speaker 2: can do it, I can do it. I can do
Speaker 2: it with a smile on my faith, And I feel
Speaker 2: like saying that just makes a lot of the things
Speaker 2: that you don't want to do a lot easier, and
Speaker 2: just when you do it, always smile because it just
Speaker 2: makes it totally.
Speaker 4: Those are both very on brand for CC, and we
Speaker 4: thank you guys so much. You nailed the assignment. I
Speaker 4: think we've all had a really hard start to the year,
Speaker 4: where we thought, going into the third year of this madness,
Speaker 4: you know, things would be going back to normal, including
Speaker 4: our motivation and energy and drive to try new things,
Speaker 4: and I think all of us have found ourselves coming
Speaker 4: up a bit short, So if anyone has been sitting
Speaker 4: there needing a kick up the butt to think, whatever
Speaker 4: that thing is that you think you can't do, you
Speaker 4: can probably fucking do it. Listen to these guys, like
Speaker 4: I don't think there's a better example going around that
Speaker 4: you can just push your limits and see what happens,
Speaker 4: and if you've got the right support network around you,
Speaker 4: you can achieve your dreams and beyond. You guys are
Speaker 4: absolutely extraordinary. Thank you so much for joining the show.
Speaker 4: It was just so nice to see you again, and
Speaker 4: you continued to inspire me every day.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having Yeah, this was awesome
Speaker 1: and it was really sweet to be able to see
Speaker 1: you again.
Speaker 3: We've got to catch up more often then, you know.
Speaker 4: I just can't wait to share you with the world.
Speaker 4: So exciting, ah, I just love these two so much.
Speaker 4: They are so wholesome and so grounded. I can't believe
Speaker 4: that only in their twenties, and I'm just so pleased
Speaker 4: to have met them. Please go and have a look
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Speaker 4: ramps up the interaction on socials after an episode and
Speaker 4: in real life, which has happened a few times lately.
Speaker 4: Nothing makes my life more than being stopped on the street.
Speaker 4: It happened in NUSA the other day. It just makes
Speaker 4: me want to cry. It makes me so unbelievably happy
Speaker 4: to connect with you guys, beyond just knowing you've listened,
Speaker 4: because the download numbers go up, the messages and hilarious
Speaker 4: photos coming through after our Gallantines episode just made my week.
Speaker 4: We had a lot of otters and a lot of
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Speaker 4: years of our lives, so stay tuned for that. In
Speaker 4: the meantime, I hope you're having an amazing week and
Speaker 4: are seizing your yay