WEBVTT - Paul Mescal: Ditching His Dates & That Viral Interview 0:00:11.189 --> 0:00:16.029 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mama Maya acknowledges 0:00:16.069 --> 0:00:19.269 the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 0:00:19.349 --> 0:00:31.749 is recorded on Hello, and welcome to Cancel the Lazy 0:00:31.789 --> 0:00:35.509 Girls Guide for our celebrity cancelations. I'm Claire Stephens and 0:00:35.549 --> 0:00:39.309 I'm joined by Jesse Stevens. 0:00:37.749 --> 0:00:43.909 You are about to enter the canceled courtroom. 0:00:44.669 --> 0:00:50.949 The defendants are celebrities, the charges are petty, the rulings 0:00:51.069 --> 0:00:58.069 are final, and on today's episode we're talking about Paul Meskal. 0:00:58.029 --> 0:01:02.709 Rome has taken everything from me, but I will have 0:01:02.749 --> 0:01:03.549 my vengeance. 0:01:04.429 --> 0:01:08.789 You're always playing such sad, sad characters, but they're also 0:01:09.109 --> 0:01:13.749 they're quite like set see sad specific genre. Yeah, I 0:01:13.749 --> 0:01:15.829 feel like you're really owning the sexy SA genre. 0:01:16.069 --> 0:01:19.909 I like to manipulate the tears out of people with sexiness. 0:01:20.069 --> 0:01:22.189 Is that a big burden to have on your on 0:01:22.229 --> 0:01:22.909 your shoulders, you know? 0:01:23.509 --> 0:01:25.109 And sexy? Yeah, a big weight to carry. 0:01:25.629 --> 0:01:26.989 No, it's a privilege. 0:01:28.189 --> 0:01:32.749 I love currically thinking I could have a different life 0:01:33.469 --> 0:01:36.029 put it. 0:01:36.909 --> 0:01:40.069 Having a bit of a background and in Gaelic football. 0:01:40.189 --> 0:01:42.509 Hell yeah, yeah, yeah, loves. 0:01:43.109 --> 0:01:46.269 I think the greatest feeling that any human ever ever 0:01:46.349 --> 0:01:49.189 gets to experience and to get to play that. Like 0:01:49.269 --> 0:01:51.229 I'll consciously have to be pulled away from that in 0:01:51.269 --> 0:01:52.749 my career. I know, because I love it. 0:01:52.949 --> 0:01:55.949 He's the start of Gladiator two, which comes out very 0:01:56.069 --> 0:01:59.069 very soon. He's recently been in Australia for the premiere 0:01:59.109 --> 0:02:01.989 and there are many people, including me, who I'm madly 0:02:01.989 --> 0:02:05.269 in love with him. However, he is not without silly, 0:02:05.509 --> 0:02:10.989 ridiculous controversy. Now Live James, who works in our social team. 0:02:11.469 --> 0:02:14.269 Recently we broke her shoulder. Yep, we'll get to it. 0:02:14.349 --> 0:02:17.749 She recently went to the Gladiator Too premiere and she 0:02:17.789 --> 0:02:21.749 interviewed Paul. And I'm a journalist. That's what I am. 0:02:21.829 --> 0:02:24.269 They call me a spotlight journalist. They do bite the 0:02:24.309 --> 0:02:26.989 movie spotlight. Yep, I'm just like that. So what I 0:02:26.989 --> 0:02:29.669 did I sent Live a message. I didn't even approach 0:02:29.669 --> 0:02:32.629 her in person. You just sent a message and said, Hi, Live, 0:02:32.749 --> 0:02:35.309 What up? I said, you break your shoulder? No? I said, 0:02:35.669 --> 0:02:38.789 what's the vibe? So you asked her? You straight up? 0:02:39.669 --> 0:02:43.189 I went no, pussy foot no, And I said you 0:02:43.269 --> 0:02:46.949 met him? Go on? I thumbs up, thumbs down. Give 0:02:46.949 --> 0:02:50.189 it to me, straight, unfiltered vibe on what Paul mescal 0:02:50.269 --> 0:02:53.269 would actually like at the premiere, what'd she say? And 0:02:53.309 --> 0:02:56.109 she doesn't lie? And I've got no reason to light 0:02:56.149 --> 0:02:58.429 at us. And she has a good vibe detector, she 0:02:58.549 --> 0:03:01.349 does and this is what she said. Oh are you 0:03:01.389 --> 0:03:04.429 actually gonna quote hers straight? Yeah? Wow, okay. I spent 0:03:04.549 --> 0:03:08.269 exactly forty two seconds talking to him, and the vibe 0:03:08.309 --> 0:03:11.309 I got was I'm a regular guy who also knows 0:03:11.349 --> 0:03:14.149 I'm the shit, but I'm also cool because I still 0:03:14.189 --> 0:03:16.989 get a bit shy about it. He was so hot 0:03:17.029 --> 0:03:19.789 in person. Yeah I get that sense. Not as tall 0:03:19.789 --> 0:03:23.309 as you'd think, but definitely not short. He asked how 0:03:23.349 --> 0:03:26.669 I was twice because we both asked at the same time, 0:03:26.749 --> 0:03:29.949 and he answered but still asked again in brackets hot, 0:03:30.589 --> 0:03:33.829 that is hot who loved a cheeky smirk and eye contact. 0:03:34.709 --> 0:03:37.629 The eye contact wasn't constant, but when he did, it 0:03:37.669 --> 0:03:40.149 felt like he was actually locked in and really listening. 0:03:40.309 --> 0:03:43.669 And brackets hot, I want to vomit because the first 0:03:43.669 --> 0:03:46.269 word that came to mind was enigma. Ha ha ha 0:03:46.269 --> 0:03:49.349 ha ha. The eye contact was so good I was 0:03:49.389 --> 0:03:51.469 convinced he kind of liked me too, and had to 0:03:51.469 --> 0:03:54.069 look away because he didn't want it to be obvious 0:03:56.389 --> 0:04:01.069 literal insanity, and I said, live live the extent to 0:04:01.109 --> 0:04:05.389 which I understand and all relate. If liv thinks there 0:04:05.429 --> 0:04:09.109 was chemistry, who are any of us to say there 0:04:09.229 --> 0:04:11.429 was that? She was there, Jessy, tell me about the 0:04:11.429 --> 0:04:15.669 broken shoulder. Do you know about the dessicated shoulder? I've 0:04:15.749 --> 0:04:18.549 seen as a video of lib stacking. Okay, but went 0:04:18.589 --> 0:04:22.189 to the Gladiator premiere. Yeah. She interviews her new boyfriend Paul, 0:04:22.469 --> 0:04:24.469 have a great little chat, and then she's like, I've 0:04:24.469 --> 0:04:26.349 got to go and do the intro to just like 0:04:26.389 --> 0:04:28.389 intro it, and I don't know. She falls over and Page 0:04:28.429 --> 0:04:30.709 dislocates her shoulder and up in hospital. She's got a 0:04:30.709 --> 0:04:33.869 sling that would have been so cool if she had 0:04:33.909 --> 0:04:35.389 it when she met Paul, though, because I reckon he'd 0:04:35.389 --> 0:04:38.069 have asked about it because he'd be like, I also 0:04:38.149 --> 0:04:41.669 get injured from being gladiator. Yeah yeah, okay, Well anyway, 0:04:41.709 --> 0:04:44.669 I just thought i'd enter that into the courtroom for 0:04:44.909 --> 0:04:48.149 vibe purposes, I reckon, for clickbait purposes. She should write 0:04:48.189 --> 0:04:53.349 the article Paul Meschal dislocated my shoulder. Oh yeah, yeah, 0:04:53.509 --> 0:04:57.629 how a night out with Paul Mescal dislocated my shoulder? 0:04:57.669 --> 0:05:03.789 I had a night with Paul Mescal hospital. You can 0:05:03.829 --> 0:05:09.829 date not lying. She's not lying now, Jesse. Paul Calm 0:05:10.389 --> 0:05:18.229 is it colml Yeah? Colm, Paul Colm Michael Mescal. Where 0:05:18.229 --> 0:05:22.869 about sn Island kill Kenny? I killed Kenny. So he's 0:05:22.909 --> 0:05:26.509 a real Irish Yeah, No, very real Irish. His dad 0:05:26.589 --> 0:05:29.909 was a heat training his mum was a police woman. Okay, yeah, yeah, 0:05:29.949 --> 0:05:33.909 he's real. He's real man Manuth yeah, man County, killed 0:05:33.909 --> 0:05:36.629 air and his mother was a Garter and his father 0:05:36.709 --> 0:05:39.669 was a school Sorry killed are killed air. His mother's 0:05:39.749 --> 0:05:43.349 name is dear blah so Irish, so that's probably not 0:05:43.389 --> 0:05:45.869 how you pronounce it. So Irish listeners are going to 0:05:45.909 --> 0:05:48.149 be very upset. And I'm sorry I said kill Kenny. 0:05:49.469 --> 0:05:54.469 That's either not a place it's killed. I'm just don't 0:05:54.469 --> 0:05:57.469 need to be Irish now, Jesse. He is six years 0:05:57.509 --> 0:06:00.469 younger than us. When we were in Ireland and we 0:06:00.629 --> 0:06:05.069 stayed in Shrogcock, you know who wouldn't know where Shirtcock 0:06:05.189 --> 0:06:09.509 is because everyone in Ireland. We're like, yeah, we're staying 0:06:09.549 --> 0:06:12.549 in Shucar and they were like, no one's heard, where 0:06:12.549 --> 0:06:14.829 the fuck is your cock? It's in the bloody middle 0:06:14.829 --> 0:06:17.629 of Ireland. We did we stay there because there was 0:06:17.909 --> 0:06:21.549 a nice house fold cheap any wait, anyway, he's not 0:06:21.909 --> 0:06:25.869 a mess set. It's fine. He studied at the Lear 0:06:26.029 --> 0:06:29.429 Academy at Trinity College and he graduated in twenty seventeen, 0:06:29.669 --> 0:06:34.629 and he had an agent before graduation. This is important 0:06:34.669 --> 0:06:37.349 because he did some theater. He got offered like two 0:06:37.389 --> 0:06:40.829 plays at once. He's a real actor. He's an actor, 0:06:41.389 --> 0:06:43.309 and we've always said that we believe that theater are 0:06:43.309 --> 0:06:46.589 real actors, because's got to remember your lie very true. 0:06:46.829 --> 0:06:53.749 He played Jay Gatsby m mmmmm sexy. Oh okay, a remake. 0:06:54.349 --> 0:06:58.909 We need a remake starring Paul Great Great by twenty nineteen, 0:06:59.029 --> 0:07:01.029 So just keep in mind he graduated in twenty seventeen. 0:07:01.069 --> 0:07:03.709 By twenty nineteen, he was cast in Normal People, and 0:07:03.749 --> 0:07:05.909 man met his moment because I needed a little Irish boy, 0:07:06.109 --> 0:07:08.229 a little Irish boy. It was like here, I am 0:07:08.589 --> 0:07:12.949 thick tyes. She says thick. Yes, yeah, we'll get to 0:07:12.989 --> 0:07:15.749 his thick thies. Do you remember his chain? I made 0:07:15.829 --> 0:07:17.909 Luca wear a chain fora a week. It was it 0:07:17.989 --> 0:07:21.149 actually got really icky. But yeah, he didn't look like Paul. No, 0:07:21.189 --> 0:07:24.389 it wasn't the same. Normal People was the mini series 0:07:24.429 --> 0:07:27.389 based on Sally Rooney's best selling novel, and his starred 0:07:27.389 --> 0:07:32.509 opposite Daisy Edgar Jones. It was gone, Oxy Cornell, I've 0:07:32.549 --> 0:07:37.109 got it was so sexy, the chain, he's five. I 0:07:37.109 --> 0:07:40.949 don't remember his figs so much. You will. He was 0:07:40.989 --> 0:07:45.629 absolutely perfect. Normal people were rased in twenty twenty Peak 0:07:45.709 --> 0:07:48.869 Pandemic and he won a BAFT and he was nominated 0:07:48.869 --> 0:07:51.229 for an Emmy. He then had a role in The 0:07:51.269 --> 0:07:55.429 Lost Daughter, which was directed by Maggie Gyllenhorn and starred 0:07:55.429 --> 0:07:57.669 Olivia Coleman. I've had great things. I haven't watched it. 0:07:57.829 --> 0:08:00.949 You go watched that. I don't think so Olivia Coleman. 0:08:01.109 --> 0:08:03.869 She's got like two daughters. And Dakota Johnson's in it. 0:08:04.109 --> 0:08:05.989 Oh wait, now I have watched the does he play? 0:08:06.149 --> 0:08:08.549 He's just the little boy. He's just like the little 0:08:08.669 --> 0:08:10.709 British but he might have any checklin in it. And 0:08:10.749 --> 0:08:12.829 he's like a little man who works their hangs out 0:08:12.869 --> 0:08:14.389 with Olivia Coleman for like a day, but he's just 0:08:14.469 --> 0:08:17.389 kind of remember that there, Yeah, yep. He was lovely 0:08:17.429 --> 0:08:19.589 in that. Then in twenty twenty two, he starred in 0:08:19.789 --> 0:08:22.789 God's Creatures and After Sun I haven't seen either, but 0:08:23.309 --> 0:08:25.309 they have both had excellent reviews and I will be 0:08:25.349 --> 0:08:30.949 watching them in my own color privately. And then he 0:08:31.109 --> 0:08:35.149 starred in All of Us Strangers opposite Andrew Scott aka 0:08:35.229 --> 0:08:37.549 the Hot Priest and Jesse. You've seen the movie, what 0:08:37.589 --> 0:08:42.829 did you think? Very I watched on aer aplane. Mm hmm, 0:08:43.269 --> 0:08:46.709 fucked me up. Oh I didn't make you bad. Oh yeah, 0:08:46.749 --> 0:08:52.349 it's like it is so bleak. Oh but hot, Okay, 0:08:52.709 --> 0:08:55.589 it's hot. Is he sexy? Yeah? Because it's him? Did 0:08:55.629 --> 0:08:57.349 you say the other one? Andrew Andrew Scott they're in 0:08:57.349 --> 0:09:00.589 a relationship, so it's hard hot. 0:09:00.949 --> 0:09:01.149 Yeah. 0:09:01.349 --> 0:09:03.789 And Paul Mescal's really hot. Yeah, and together they're quite 0:09:04.309 --> 0:09:06.349 it's just like a it's just really hot. Have you 0:09:06.389 --> 0:09:08.469 seen all the videos that they did together for the 0:09:08.509 --> 0:09:12.549 promo for that movie. Yeah, they were so cute. They 0:09:12.589 --> 0:09:14.989 were because they were both Irish, like it was a 0:09:15.029 --> 0:09:19.269 whole thing. Yeah, but really moving, like you need to 0:09:19.269 --> 0:09:21.429 say it, it's very very moving, but it's very sad. 0:09:21.549 --> 0:09:26.789 I will I watched him my own time. That's a sign. 0:09:26.909 --> 0:09:31.629 Note he was a very very talented Gaelic football player. 0:09:31.949 --> 0:09:37.109 Of course he was. I can see that and that 0:09:37.149 --> 0:09:40.469 you do need a strong quad and that athleticism is 0:09:40.469 --> 0:09:44.069 probably what helped him secure the role. Ingladiated to because 0:09:44.069 --> 0:09:46.429 when he had a zoom call with Ridley Scott, who 0:09:46.469 --> 0:09:49.869 saw him in normal people, Ridley did ask him about 0:09:49.869 --> 0:09:53.389 the Gaelic football. Now, my structure for today is as follows. 0:09:53.789 --> 0:09:58.549 What happened with Phoebe Bridges yep, running away from dates 0:09:58.589 --> 0:10:04.789 in parks, Chicken shop date memes and Graham Norton and 0:10:04.829 --> 0:10:09.069 giving people the ick Jesse, what happened with Phoebe Bridges? 0:10:10.149 --> 0:10:13.229 I need her contextualized because everyone just talks about Phoebe 0:10:13.349 --> 0:10:18.309 Bridges as if I know whom. Here's the thing that's 0:10:18.389 --> 0:10:21.229 really important, Jesse. I need you to understand this. We 0:10:21.709 --> 0:10:26.269 are not cool enough. She is an indie singer songwriter. 0:10:26.669 --> 0:10:30.149 I've gone through and searched her music. I haven't heard 0:10:30.269 --> 0:10:32.269 any of it. Okay, because his Phoebe Bridge is not 0:10:32.349 --> 0:10:35.269 currently dating Bo Burnham. Yeah, that's what we're gonna get to, 0:10:35.389 --> 0:10:37.749 jest Buck. Phoebe Bridges had a good run. She's had 0:10:37.789 --> 0:10:42.149 a great run. She likes dating the internet's boyfriends. Wow, 0:10:42.309 --> 0:10:45.429 I wish I was her? Yeah, Oh my goodness. She 0:10:45.469 --> 0:10:49.149 was born in ninety four. Mmmm yeah, she's so thirty, 0:10:49.269 --> 0:10:53.269 she's beautiful. Okay cool. So on the twelfth of May 0:10:53.309 --> 0:10:57.549 twenty twenty, indie singer songwriter Phoebe Bridges had just finished 0:10:57.549 --> 0:11:00.549 watching Normal People and, like the rest of us, message 0:11:01.109 --> 0:11:05.349 call on Instagram. No, she posted about it. She tweeted, 0:11:05.549 --> 0:11:08.989 finished watching Normal People and now I'm sad and horny. 0:11:09.109 --> 0:11:13.989 I'll wait. Turns out Paul mescal Is Slash was a 0:11:14.029 --> 0:11:18.189 big Phoebe Bridges fan, so he tweeted back, I'm officially dead, 0:11:18.749 --> 0:11:22.949 and she replied back, no, don't die. You're so talented haha. 0:11:23.629 --> 0:11:26.669 By this point, is I get a room? Yeah? I 0:11:26.669 --> 0:11:30.309 don't like watching other people's for letting. I find it uncomfortable. Yeah. 0:11:30.349 --> 0:11:35.389 On the twenty first of May, so that's nine days later, 0:11:36.069 --> 0:11:39.709 they did an Instagram Live together Weird, where Bridge we 0:11:39.829 --> 0:11:42.269 did everyone did weird things. Everyone did weird things because 0:11:42.269 --> 0:11:43.869 we were like, it's a new era and it's like 0:11:43.909 --> 0:11:50.909 we're all yeah, okay. Bridges interviewed Meschool for Wonderland Magazine, 0:11:51.029 --> 0:11:53.149 and I went back and watched some of this and 0:11:53.309 --> 0:11:55.509 actually had to turn it off because I forgot how 0:11:55.549 --> 0:11:59.389 painful Instagram Live is just some feedback for Instagram. I've 0:11:59.429 --> 0:12:03.709 never watched an Instagram line. Sometimes I accidentally no, sometimes 0:12:03.749 --> 0:12:05.989 I accidentally press one. And the worst thing is it, 0:12:05.989 --> 0:12:08.869 because no one watches Instagram lines come up, you get 0:12:08.909 --> 0:12:12.029 a shout out yeah, and people don't just join. You 0:12:12.189 --> 0:12:15.949 just joined. My thumb slipped and now I'm on them live. 0:12:16.349 --> 0:12:18.429 I don't want to watch time and I think this 0:12:18.509 --> 0:12:23.349 is a pyramid score looking for my opinion. I like it. 0:12:23.349 --> 0:12:26.749 It's a briefinget. No, it's bad and genuinely what it is. 0:12:26.869 --> 0:12:29.669 You're watching two people on a zoom. You're watching two people. 0:12:29.869 --> 0:12:34.669 They've got technical issues. The video is just waiting for 0:12:34.869 --> 0:12:40.069 Paul to direct quote, just waiting for Paul to jump on, 0:12:40.229 --> 0:12:43.749 and she's like where is Paul? And I'm like, oh god. 0:12:44.189 --> 0:12:46.429 And then he joins and like he sounds a bit 0:12:46.749 --> 0:12:48.789 not quite right and he's like this is my pop 0:12:48.829 --> 0:12:51.789 plan and it's like, oh god, this is terrible. And 0:12:52.029 --> 0:12:53.589 once I had to join Instagram Live and I just 0:12:53.669 --> 0:12:56.749 kept thinking, I hope no one's but the problem with 0:12:56.869 --> 0:12:59.709 people get notified and you're like, I just went to 0:13:01.269 --> 0:13:04.269 cut off. Don't look at me, don't look at me. 0:13:04.869 --> 0:13:09.149 I've been asked to do this for professional reasons. It's 0:13:09.349 --> 0:13:13.509 like one of the humor lands. No, because there's a delay. 0:13:13.749 --> 0:13:16.029 Yeah yeah, and I don't want to die. But it was 0:13:16.029 --> 0:13:18.589 a bit like watching your first day. At one point, 0:13:18.629 --> 0:13:21.469 Paul told Phoebe, I think it's well documented that I 0:13:21.509 --> 0:13:25.909 love your music, and she said, well that makes me blush. Mmm. Okay, 0:13:26.109 --> 0:13:28.789 so it's like again, get a room. There's a rumor 0:13:28.829 --> 0:13:32.149 they stayed online after the chat and had drinks together, 0:13:32.269 --> 0:13:34.469 but I was like, no, you've got to hang up 0:13:34.469 --> 0:13:38.469 from the yeagram live like and then it's weird, you know, 0:13:38.509 --> 0:13:40.509 when you're like coming to the end of riber zooms 0:13:40.589 --> 0:13:44.269 used to time out, Yeah, are you sending another link? Yeah, 0:13:44.509 --> 0:13:49.789 being like join this? Oh god, I hated zoom drinks anyway. 0:13:49.909 --> 0:13:53.229 A few weeks later, in an interview, Bridges referred to 0:13:53.269 --> 0:13:55.549 Mescal as the cute boy from the show and said 0:13:55.589 --> 0:13:58.029 she got a little pitapatter in my heart when she 0:13:58.069 --> 0:14:02.029 saw he'd followed her on Instagram in July, so she'd 0:14:02.069 --> 0:14:03.989 only done the body to tweet you may in July 0:14:04.149 --> 0:14:07.829 she flies to Ireland to see him, and a little 0:14:07.869 --> 0:14:12.029 Cafe posted about how they'd come in for break. In November, 0:14:12.109 --> 0:14:15.669 he talked about his girlfriend in an interview in December 0:14:15.669 --> 0:14:18.989 twenty twenty, he appeared in the music video for her 0:14:19.069 --> 0:14:22.989 song Stave Your Complex alongside Phoebe waller Bridge. Oh yeah, 0:14:22.989 --> 0:14:25.789 I remember that. About a year later, they made their 0:14:25.869 --> 0:14:29.389 Red Carpet debut, and then they were posting cute photos 0:14:29.389 --> 0:14:32.389 together on Instagram. It was very, very clear that they 0:14:32.389 --> 0:14:35.269 were together, and there were rumors that they were engaged 0:14:35.709 --> 0:14:38.429 because at the Met Gala in May twenty twenty two, 0:14:39.189 --> 0:14:42.109 Paul was wearing a ring on his engagement finger and 0:14:42.149 --> 0:14:45.589 people thought maybe she proposed and he said yes, and 0:14:45.629 --> 0:14:50.909 there he just didn't know. It was also awkward because 0:14:50.949 --> 0:14:57.229 there are a few examples of interviews with one of them, 0:14:57.549 --> 0:15:01.509 the journalist writing in the copy for the interview that 0:15:01.549 --> 0:15:04.749 they were engaged. So it wasn't a direct quote oh 0:15:04.789 --> 0:15:07.909 song like Paul, but it was in the context of 0:15:07.949 --> 0:15:10.869 a published interview, So you're like, surely his signed off 0:15:10.869 --> 0:15:13.829 on that, but then it would be amended later and 0:15:13.869 --> 0:15:17.669 so you engage? Are you not engaged? Then in December 0:15:18.229 --> 0:15:22.669 there was controversy the foot Bridges collaborated with Scissor for 0:15:22.709 --> 0:15:24.909 a song Ghost in the Machine. You know I've been 0:15:24.949 --> 0:15:31.149 calling Hazzar anyway, Scissor, Okay, do I know the song. 0:15:31.349 --> 0:15:35.829 I don't think that you know, Okakay, it's not for you, Okay. 0:15:35.949 --> 0:15:40.149 So Phoebe Bridges is with siss does the song with Scissor, okay, 0:15:40.349 --> 0:15:43.869 and she sings about screaming at another person and ending 0:15:43.949 --> 0:15:48.069 up alone in an airport bar or hotel lobby. The 0:15:48.109 --> 0:15:51.069 timeline of how quickly the song came together also appeared 0:15:51.509 --> 0:15:55.109 to kind of further point to the real time nature 0:15:55.109 --> 0:15:56.949 of the breakup, Like she talked about how her and 0:15:56.989 --> 0:16:00.069 Sissor had just collaborated and released this really quickly, all right, 0:16:00.109 --> 0:16:01.949 and so it's like just interesting that you know, you're 0:16:01.989 --> 0:16:04.589 talking about a friend. It feels urgent, feels urgent. Yeah, 0:16:04.789 --> 0:16:07.989 then can I just say, you know, it just pops up. 0:16:08.149 --> 0:16:12.109 It's Matti fucking Elie Matt Healey. He was just at 0:16:12.109 --> 0:16:14.629 the Gladiator premiere or was it the Wicked premiere. I 0:16:14.669 --> 0:16:16.309 don't know, is it one of them. It's probably at 0:16:16.309 --> 0:16:18.269 all of them. But he just turns up and he 0:16:18.349 --> 0:16:20.789 was why is he here? Though he was in Australia, Jesse, 0:16:20.909 --> 0:16:22.829 he was just in a lobby getting selfies with people, 0:16:23.029 --> 0:16:28.189 and it's like, you are a famous person outside your cage. Yeah, 0:16:28.269 --> 0:16:31.069 why are you here? Mate. Okay, did he pop up here? Yes? 0:16:31.749 --> 0:16:34.829 Because the nineteen seventy five front man Matt Heally posted 0:16:34.829 --> 0:16:40.549 a baffling photo on Instagram that showed him and Bridges kissing, 0:16:40.869 --> 0:16:44.469 with Bo Burnham standing behind them with his hands on 0:16:44.509 --> 0:16:46.829 both of their shoulders. I remember this because everyone's like, 0:16:46.989 --> 0:16:52.389 isn't Phoebe Bridges with Paul Mescal And isn't Bo Burnham 0:16:53.029 --> 0:16:55.629 with a woman he had been with for like a 0:16:55.749 --> 0:16:59.549 death a million years? I remember that, And also, Matt Healley, 0:16:59.989 --> 0:17:02.269 are you not with Taylor Fucking Sweat at some point 0:17:02.309 --> 0:17:07.989 you were? It really confused fans. Then Bridges was spotted 0:17:07.989 --> 0:17:10.949 at a show with Burnham in New York. She did 0:17:11.349 --> 0:17:14.749 Chicken Shop date with Amelia de Moldenburg and talked about heartbreak, 0:17:15.229 --> 0:17:18.269 and she continued being seen with Burnham in early twenty 0:17:18.269 --> 0:17:22.189 twenty three, while Mescal avoided any questions about their relationship. 0:17:22.909 --> 0:17:26.869 Then it was clear that Bridges was officially dating Burnham. 0:17:27.029 --> 0:17:31.429 It's funny. There's this video of Keith Urban and Nicole 0:17:31.509 --> 0:17:34.429 Kidman dancing at a concert and in the background you 0:17:34.469 --> 0:17:35.989 can see Bo Burnham and you're like, oh my god, 0:17:35.989 --> 0:17:37.469 it's Bo Burnham, And then you just see he's just 0:17:37.509 --> 0:17:41.309 hooking up with fevere Bridges. You're like wild wild he's 0:17:41.349 --> 0:17:44.629 so tall, he's so tall, how beout that makes Paul 0:17:44.709 --> 0:17:49.389 Meschyl feel insecure. We'll get to his height really yeah? Yeah, well, 0:17:49.429 --> 0:17:51.789 I mean you heard what Live said. He's not that tall, 0:17:51.829 --> 0:17:54.629 but he's not that short. But he's not that tall. Now, 0:17:54.709 --> 0:17:58.709 there are rumors that Meschuol and Bridges secretly got married 0:17:58.989 --> 0:18:02.309 right before they broke up. This is according to the 0:18:02.389 --> 0:18:06.069 dou Nois podcast. Wouldn't we see that in the paperwork? 0:18:06.669 --> 0:18:08.949 I don't know, is that public? Yeah? I thought it was. 0:18:09.069 --> 0:18:11.949 I don't know anyway the podcast unless you get a like, 0:18:12.269 --> 0:18:15.109 what like an annullment or something. Well, on the podcast, 0:18:15.149 --> 0:18:17.349 they said, I can confirm that Paul is telling people 0:18:17.669 --> 0:18:20.909 that him and Phoebe were married in secret. This was 0:18:20.909 --> 0:18:24.309 an anonymous source. Not sure if they were actually married 0:18:24.389 --> 0:18:26.429 or not, but this is what he's saying. Someone I 0:18:26.469 --> 0:18:28.589 know went on a date with him where he told 0:18:28.629 --> 0:18:31.109 her he wasn't over his ex and that a big 0:18:31.189 --> 0:18:34.429 reason was that they were married in secret not long 0:18:34.469 --> 0:18:37.989 before they broke up. Apparently. He also cries a lot 0:18:38.109 --> 0:18:42.349 about Bridges, which you will get to. Okay, because weirdly. 0:18:42.589 --> 0:18:46.269 I had the vague impression that he did something naughty here. Yeah, 0:18:46.269 --> 0:18:48.949 I'm probably gonna need a few more details, but to 0:18:48.989 --> 0:18:51.749 speak back to them about about Yeah, it doesn't sound 0:18:51.829 --> 0:18:55.949 like he did noughty that we know of yet. Oh well. No. 0:18:56.269 --> 0:18:59.709 One of the rumors was at that met gala where 0:18:59.709 --> 0:19:02.749 he was wearing the ring and people thought that he 0:19:02.829 --> 0:19:05.629 might be engaged to Phoebe Bridges. There was a photo 0:19:05.629 --> 0:19:07.909 taking with Daisy ed Ga Jones and in the background 0:19:08.069 --> 0:19:10.749 there is poor Mescu standing next to Phoebe Bridges but 0:19:10.949 --> 0:19:15.109 staring at Daisy. What do you make of this? Excuse 0:19:15.149 --> 0:19:17.389 me while I look at this. He's very a man 0:19:17.509 --> 0:19:20.869 posing for a photo, which is that he's weirdly smiling 0:19:20.949 --> 0:19:23.309 at the camera. No, you know what he is. He's 0:19:23.349 --> 0:19:25.269 when you're in a situation where people say, hey, I'm 0:19:25.269 --> 0:19:28.629 just gonna take candid photos, don't look at the camera 0:19:28.749 --> 0:19:30.629 because he's looking dead down the camera with a big 0:19:30.629 --> 0:19:33.549 smile on his face. Incredibly awkward and it's not very celebrity. 0:19:33.549 --> 0:19:35.709 It's just I hate it, though, when those things get 0:19:35.749 --> 0:19:38.269 blown out of proportion, because it's like, God, we do 0:19:38.349 --> 0:19:43.549 weird shit. When cameras are about yes, correct, Hello canceled listeners. 0:19:43.709 --> 0:19:47.309 The Month of Move has started. 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You can find all the 0:20:24.709 --> 0:20:41.509 details in the show notes Running Away from Dates in Parks. 0:20:42.309 --> 0:20:46.549 In late December twenty twenty three, a rumor began circulating 0:20:46.589 --> 0:20:51.229 about mescal One that really challenged his beautiful reputation. According 0:20:51.269 --> 0:20:55.749 to entirely unsubstantiated sources and a lot of this we're 0:20:55.829 --> 0:20:58.869 off on TikTok, he has a habit of sleeping with 0:20:58.909 --> 0:21:01.629 women he meets in pubs, and then the following morning 0:21:01.669 --> 0:21:03.389 he asks them to go for a walk with him 0:21:03.429 --> 0:21:07.069 in the park and then he runs away. It's just 0:21:07.829 --> 0:21:13.629 he runs away right right away. Why it's so unnecessary, 0:21:15.149 --> 0:21:19.109 there's no sense. It too it ish, it's so dumb 0:21:19.109 --> 0:21:21.669 because it's like he's too famous to be running in 0:21:21.869 --> 0:21:26.069 the public, he's too famous to be darting from someone 0:21:26.109 --> 0:21:28.429 else's and even the running right like, I've had a 0:21:28.429 --> 0:21:30.669 one night stanwn. I'm in the park, I'm walking alongside them, 0:21:30.669 --> 0:21:32.029 and let's say I don't want to be there anymore. 0:21:32.469 --> 0:21:34.669 I could just walk away. I don't reckon they're going 0:21:34.709 --> 0:21:37.549 to chase me. They might go, oh Jesse, and they 0:21:37.629 --> 0:21:39.469 might fall out. And if I just look back and 0:21:39.469 --> 0:21:41.669 give him a look, I think I'm right to just 0:21:41.789 --> 0:21:44.909 kind of be on my way. The reason why running 0:21:44.909 --> 0:21:46.709 away is such a power move is that it says 0:21:47.069 --> 0:21:49.229 I'm worried you're going to chase me, which puts you 0:21:49.269 --> 0:21:54.669 in a position of feeling clinging, and it's like, I'm 0:21:54.669 --> 0:21:56.549 not feeling clinging. I just want to know where you're 0:21:56.589 --> 0:21:59.949 going if we're currently in danger, Because if I was 0:21:59.949 --> 0:22:03.149 with someone and they started bolting in the other direction, 0:22:03.389 --> 0:22:04.909 I go, have I missed a cute? 0:22:05.029 --> 0:22:05.229 Yeah? 0:22:05.869 --> 0:22:08.389 Is there something for us to be afraid? Is there 0:22:08.429 --> 0:22:12.389 a tyn army that I didn't see coming? Yeah? Yeah, Well, 0:22:12.549 --> 0:22:16.349 clips began circulating on TikTok of these blind items, claiming 0:22:16.389 --> 0:22:20.509 that he developed the habit while living in London. Yeah. 0:22:20.549 --> 0:22:22.629 One of the first to talk about the rumor was 0:22:22.789 --> 0:22:26.349 a woman called Aaron Mary Smith, and she said, Paul 0:22:26.429 --> 0:22:29.109 meschool basically goes around North London and this is from 0:22:29.309 --> 0:22:33.149 lots of lots of them begging women for threesomes. And 0:22:33.189 --> 0:22:35.229 when he does actually get with a girl, he'll say 0:22:35.269 --> 0:22:37.509 to them, hey, want to go for a walk, And 0:22:37.549 --> 0:22:39.229 then in the middle of the chat he would just 0:22:39.309 --> 0:22:42.669 lay and just do a runner and leave her in 0:22:42.669 --> 0:22:45.349 the park. Because even bolting, I don't know a lot 0:22:45.349 --> 0:22:48.269 about running. I'm not a runner. Going from a standstill 0:22:48.349 --> 0:22:52.829 to a speedy sprint, you'd want to stretch. Well, he's oh, 0:22:52.829 --> 0:22:54.549 you're going to pull a handstring. Well. The thing that 0:22:54.589 --> 0:22:58.189 adds credibility to this, he's a river. He does run. Well, 0:22:58.189 --> 0:22:59.829 you know what if you're a runner and you do run, 0:22:59.869 --> 0:23:01.749 you know the importance of stretching and a warm up. 0:23:01.949 --> 0:23:04.069 You don't go from zero to one hundred. We know 0:23:04.189 --> 0:23:06.349 this because Dad does it every six months, pulls a 0:23:06.389 --> 0:23:08.189 hammy yeah, because he goes I'm going to go for 0:23:08.189 --> 0:23:10.789 a run. He puts on his sheer, runners, gets on 0:23:10.829 --> 0:23:14.469 the concrete and just bolts until he feels sick and 0:23:14.469 --> 0:23:17.109