1 00:00:06,415 --> 00:00:09,055 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma mea podcast. 2 00:00:11,175 --> 00:00:13,255 Speaker 2: Well, how would you feel if you found out the 3 00:00:13,254 --> 00:00:15,935 Speaker 2: guy sitting next to you doing the same job was 4 00:00:16,015 --> 00:00:21,095 Speaker 2: taking home thousands more a year and your company already knew. Well, 5 00:00:21,215 --> 00:00:25,255 Speaker 2: you can actually check the latest gender pay gap data 6 00:00:25,375 --> 00:00:28,575 Speaker 2: has landed, laying out in black and white which employers 7 00:00:28,615 --> 00:00:31,455 Speaker 2: are closing the gap and which ones are still dragging 8 00:00:31,495 --> 00:00:35,135 Speaker 2: their feet. It's the Quikie for Tuesday, March three. I'm 9 00:00:35,255 --> 00:00:38,135 Speaker 2: Taylor Strano for a look at the latest news headlines. 10 00:00:38,294 --> 00:00:39,254 Speaker 2: Here's Claire Murphy. 11 00:00:39,894 --> 00:00:43,214 Speaker 3: Thanks Taylor. The US Israeli war against Iran has expanded, 12 00:00:43,214 --> 00:00:46,974 Speaker 3: with Israel also launching strikes against Lebanon. With the latest 13 00:00:47,015 --> 00:00:49,574 Speaker 3: on the ground in tel Aviv, seven News chief reporter 14 00:00:49,735 --> 00:00:52,014 Speaker 3: Chris Reason. Chris, what's it like on the ground in 15 00:00:52,055 --> 00:00:53,895 Speaker 3: tel Aviv today, Olive. 16 00:00:53,895 --> 00:00:57,495 Speaker 4: It's always tense. The last three days have been extraordinary 17 00:00:57,575 --> 00:01:00,495 Speaker 4: to be here and witnessing something that really is a 18 00:01:00,615 --> 00:01:03,615 Speaker 4: moment in modern history. But at the same time it 19 00:01:04,615 --> 00:01:08,054 Speaker 4: can be dangerously, can be difficult, but at the same 20 00:01:08,055 --> 00:01:11,775 Speaker 4: time fascinating. It's been extraordinary. Where we are is in Teliviv. 21 00:01:12,135 --> 00:01:14,975 Speaker 4: We've been basing ourselves the capital of Israel. And in 22 00:01:15,015 --> 00:01:17,735 Speaker 4: a hotel on the seventh floor with a balcony view 23 00:01:17,815 --> 00:01:20,735 Speaker 4: of what is quite an exceptional fireworks has plowed most 24 00:01:20,815 --> 00:01:25,815 Speaker 4: nights and it's as terrifying as captivating. But you see 25 00:01:25,815 --> 00:01:29,415 Speaker 4: this system that the Israelis have got. Every time an 26 00:01:29,415 --> 00:01:33,415 Speaker 4: Iranian ballistic missile comes in, the Israeli air defense missiles 27 00:01:33,455 --> 00:01:36,334 Speaker 4: go up to take them down, and you see this 28 00:01:36,415 --> 00:01:39,895 Speaker 4: sort of aerial ballistic ballet go on as the two 29 00:01:40,015 --> 00:01:42,455 Speaker 4: missiles sort of chase each other, and when they do 30 00:01:42,535 --> 00:01:45,935 Speaker 4: connect and explode in the sky, it's just extraordinary. 31 00:01:46,695 --> 00:01:50,695 Speaker 3: Well, Chris, I understand that fighting has expanded overnight with 32 00:01:51,335 --> 00:01:57,135 Speaker 3: Lebanon retaliating for the death of Ayatollahmeni in Iran. Israel 33 00:01:57,255 --> 00:02:00,255 Speaker 3: is now fighting a war on several fronts because they 34 00:02:00,335 --> 00:02:03,255 Speaker 3: have launched attacks against Hesbola now as well. 35 00:02:03,375 --> 00:02:07,575 Speaker 4: Is that correct, Yeah, that's right. It was interesting to 36 00:02:07,575 --> 00:02:11,815 Speaker 4: watch that because Hezbala, based in southern Lebanon, decided pre 37 00:02:11,975 --> 00:02:14,575 Speaker 4: dawn today to launch its attacks and as you say, 38 00:02:14,615 --> 00:02:16,935 Speaker 4: it put out a statement saying why it said it 39 00:02:16,975 --> 00:02:19,535 Speaker 4: was doing it in revenge for the death of Iola 40 00:02:19,615 --> 00:02:24,975 Speaker 4: Ali Jamane. And those attacks were quite simplistic, quite crude. 41 00:02:25,135 --> 00:02:28,375 Speaker 4: They were small rockets, not much damage, no one killed, 42 00:02:28,415 --> 00:02:33,014 Speaker 4: no one injured, but Israel's retaliation was swift and brutal 43 00:02:33,135 --> 00:02:37,735 Speaker 4: and is continuing tonight. We have seen Israeli jets scramble 44 00:02:37,815 --> 00:02:41,775 Speaker 4: into southern Lebanon and pound targets there and all the 45 00:02:41,775 --> 00:02:45,454 Speaker 4: way up to Beirut, the capital of Lebanon. At one point, 46 00:02:45,495 --> 00:02:48,335 Speaker 4: the Israelis issued warnings to residents to get out of 47 00:02:48,335 --> 00:02:51,615 Speaker 4: their homes, and we saw pictures of thousands and thousands 48 00:02:51,615 --> 00:02:54,415 Speaker 4: of people in their cars, some on foot, walking north 49 00:02:54,455 --> 00:02:58,215 Speaker 4: trying to get to safer areas. Those activities have been 50 00:02:58,255 --> 00:03:01,615 Speaker 4: continuing through the day from the Israelis. This night, the 51 00:03:01,655 --> 00:03:05,455 Speaker 4: sky outline of Lebanon is full of plumes of small 52 00:03:05,575 --> 00:03:08,935 Speaker 4: because they've taken out various targets, and they have claimed 53 00:03:08,975 --> 00:03:12,135 Speaker 4: that they've already killed one of the Hesbala leaders. But 54 00:03:12,255 --> 00:03:15,454 Speaker 4: among the toll at the moment, they're thirty one people 55 00:03:15,575 --> 00:03:18,855 Speaker 4: killed and over one hundred injured. So that front of 56 00:03:18,895 --> 00:03:21,815 Speaker 4: the war continues on now. 57 00:03:21,935 --> 00:03:26,575 Speaker 3: Chris, you said that it's been quite incredible to wash 58 00:03:26,655 --> 00:03:30,695 Speaker 3: this unfold, with the amount of fire back and forth 59 00:03:30,855 --> 00:03:33,375 Speaker 3: over these borders. But Trump has been speaking at the 60 00:03:33,375 --> 00:03:36,455 Speaker 3: White House overnight saying that there is an even bigger 61 00:03:36,495 --> 00:03:41,255 Speaker 3: wave of US israel attacks on Iran coming soon. How 62 00:03:41,295 --> 00:03:42,575 Speaker 3: big can this get? 63 00:03:42,935 --> 00:03:45,815 Speaker 4: And that's a really good question of what more can 64 00:03:45,855 --> 00:03:50,255 Speaker 4: the Americans throw into this conflict. It's quite extraordinary to 65 00:03:50,255 --> 00:03:54,255 Speaker 4: look at the resources, the military resources they have piled 66 00:03:54,295 --> 00:03:58,055 Speaker 4: up into this region, all of them basically focused around 67 00:03:58,215 --> 00:04:02,215 Speaker 4: two aircraft carrier battle groups, one in the Mediterranean, the 68 00:04:02,255 --> 00:04:05,495 Speaker 4: other in the Persian Gulf. The Persian golf based one 69 00:04:05,575 --> 00:04:10,495 Speaker 4: Ham Lincoln is essentially there to drive the attacks onto Iran. 70 00:04:11,015 --> 00:04:15,695 Speaker 4: The one in the Mediterranean, Gerald Ford is basically there 71 00:04:15,735 --> 00:04:19,214 Speaker 4: to provide a lot of cover and umbrella kind of 72 00:04:19,255 --> 00:04:24,294 Speaker 4: cover situation through for the entire Israeli part of this war. 73 00:04:24,455 --> 00:04:27,375 Speaker 4: So these ships are bristling not only with planes as 74 00:04:27,375 --> 00:04:30,615 Speaker 4: you expect aircraft carries to be to forward project their power, 75 00:04:30,615 --> 00:04:34,415 Speaker 4: but they also have destroyers that travel along with them, 76 00:04:34,455 --> 00:04:37,414 Speaker 4: and they're full of these air defense systems ages systems 77 00:04:37,415 --> 00:04:40,775 Speaker 4: particularly that can shoot down missiles that are coming in 78 00:04:40,775 --> 00:04:44,215 Speaker 4: from Iran. So what this is, it's almost a war 79 00:04:44,255 --> 00:04:48,655 Speaker 4: of attrition. The Americans and Israelis are pounding targets over 80 00:04:48,855 --> 00:04:52,654 Speaker 4: in Iran. The Iranians are throwing whatever resources they have 81 00:04:52,815 --> 00:04:56,455 Speaker 4: in terms of ballistic missiles, rockets and drones back at 82 00:04:56,535 --> 00:04:59,575 Speaker 4: Israel and the US bases and civilian targets as well 83 00:04:59,575 --> 00:05:03,495 Speaker 4: across the region. It's missile for missile, and it's going 84 00:05:03,535 --> 00:05:07,455 Speaker 4: to be fascinating to see how supply are exhausted. And 85 00:05:07,815 --> 00:05:10,615 Speaker 4: military experts are saying this can't go at this tempo 86 00:05:11,335 --> 00:05:14,895 Speaker 4: for too much longer, and they're talking in terms of days, 87 00:05:15,095 --> 00:05:17,495 Speaker 4: not weeks. So it's going to be fascinating to see 88 00:05:17,535 --> 00:05:18,415 Speaker 4: how this plays out. 89 00:05:19,175 --> 00:05:22,815 Speaker 3: There is some nervousness amongst allies of the United States 90 00:05:22,855 --> 00:05:25,974 Speaker 3: that they will be drawn into this war. What is 91 00:05:25,975 --> 00:05:29,534 Speaker 3: a likelihood looking that, say Australia and other allies like 92 00:05:29,575 --> 00:05:32,655 Speaker 3: the UK will actually be called upon to contribute to this. 93 00:05:33,615 --> 00:05:37,415 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a really interesting question. And at this stage 94 00:05:37,455 --> 00:05:40,015 Speaker 4: they haven't and they're determined to go alone. And Trump 95 00:05:40,015 --> 00:05:43,255 Speaker 4: says he will push through this until that is done. 96 00:05:43,615 --> 00:05:46,655 Speaker 4: And we had Pete Heeksth the Secretary of War today 97 00:05:46,695 --> 00:05:49,375 Speaker 4: as well say that you know, we didn't start this, 98 00:05:49,535 --> 00:05:53,255 Speaker 4: the Iranians did. We will finish this, he said. So 99 00:05:53,535 --> 00:05:55,895 Speaker 4: it didn't define what finish it meant, but you know, 100 00:05:55,935 --> 00:05:58,895 Speaker 4: they've already managed to topple the Eyetola they've already managed 101 00:05:58,935 --> 00:06:01,854 Speaker 4: to topple some forty eight members of the leadership of 102 00:06:01,855 --> 00:06:04,855 Speaker 4: the Iranian regime. Where does it finish? And I mentioned 103 00:06:04,895 --> 00:06:08,135 Speaker 4: there about the ammunitions starting to diminish? Will that be 104 00:06:08,215 --> 00:06:11,974 Speaker 4: the point when they turn to allies such as potentially Australia, 105 00:06:12,095 --> 00:06:16,775 Speaker 4: such as the EU UK and say we need help here. Now, 106 00:06:16,775 --> 00:06:19,095 Speaker 4: that'll be a huge question for any country to take 107 00:06:19,175 --> 00:06:21,655 Speaker 4: part in that. So far, many countries lined up to 108 00:06:21,695 --> 00:06:26,055 Speaker 4: say they tenderly support Donald Trump's Operation Epic Fury, but 109 00:06:26,175 --> 00:06:30,654 Speaker 4: they haven't committed resources, and that is it'll be a 110 00:06:30,735 --> 00:06:33,455 Speaker 4: furious contention point for a lot of countries about whether 111 00:06:33,535 --> 00:06:35,455 Speaker 4: or not they do that. The English have been tying 112 00:06:35,455 --> 00:06:37,815 Speaker 4: themselves in NOTSA over the last couple of days about 113 00:06:37,815 --> 00:06:40,175 Speaker 4: whether or they should allow the Americans to use their 114 00:06:40,575 --> 00:06:45,975 Speaker 4: air bases because Secure Starmat, being a lawyer of international law, 115 00:06:46,175 --> 00:06:48,575 Speaker 4: knows what this is all about and knows that it 116 00:06:48,655 --> 00:06:53,055 Speaker 4: hasn't got legal backing this conflict, and for many days 117 00:06:53,095 --> 00:06:55,015 Speaker 4: he held out. He capitulated them to the U turn 118 00:06:55,095 --> 00:06:58,175 Speaker 4: today and has now said the Americans can use their bases. 119 00:06:58,415 --> 00:07:00,935 Speaker 4: But that's about as far as the support has gone. 120 00:07:01,015 --> 00:07:03,015 Speaker 4: And let me just say too. I mean, we've seen 121 00:07:03,015 --> 00:07:07,055 Speaker 4: this war start between Israel, America and Iran, but it's 122 00:07:07,295 --> 00:07:10,935 Speaker 4: very quickly, thanks to the Iranian's response, become regional, and 123 00:07:10,935 --> 00:07:14,055 Speaker 4: we've seen some six seven countries around the Gulf States 124 00:07:14,295 --> 00:07:17,575 Speaker 4: get hit and take part. Now today we had a 125 00:07:17,655 --> 00:07:24,215 Speaker 4: Katari jets shoot down two Iranian jets over Katari airspace, 126 00:07:24,575 --> 00:07:27,895 Speaker 4: which is just extraordinary. We also had drones flying over 127 00:07:27,935 --> 00:07:31,695 Speaker 4: to Cypress in the last twenty four hours that technically 128 00:07:31,815 --> 00:07:36,455 Speaker 4: Cypress is Europe. So this war has for all intents 129 00:07:36,495 --> 00:07:40,695 Speaker 4: and purposes, now reached Europe storstep and it hasn't stopped. 130 00:07:40,975 --> 00:07:45,175 Speaker 3: Chris just finally, in amongst the military action, is there 131 00:07:45,175 --> 00:07:48,375 Speaker 3: any room for diplomacy left? I know that yesterday Donald 132 00:07:48,375 --> 00:07:51,135 Speaker 3: Trump was saying that the new leadership in Iran were 133 00:07:51,175 --> 00:07:54,415 Speaker 3: willing to talk. But we saw a post on x 134 00:07:54,655 --> 00:07:58,375 Speaker 3: from Ali Lajani, a powerful advisor of Hamone that said 135 00:07:58,375 --> 00:08:01,775 Speaker 3: Iran would not negotiate with Trump and that the US 136 00:08:01,855 --> 00:08:04,495 Speaker 3: president had delusional ambitions. Where do we stand on any 137 00:08:04,575 --> 00:08:06,335 Speaker 3: kind of diplomatic resolution here? 138 00:08:06,935 --> 00:08:09,615 Speaker 4: I can't see from this viewpoint at the moment that 139 00:08:09,655 --> 00:08:12,615 Speaker 4: there would be any chance of a diplomatic solution to this. 140 00:08:12,895 --> 00:08:16,095 Speaker 4: I know that the Israelis don't want us. They want 141 00:08:16,135 --> 00:08:19,215 Speaker 4: to keep going and they want to absolutely obliterate the 142 00:08:19,215 --> 00:08:24,655 Speaker 4: power structures inside Iran, and particularly the nuclear program and 143 00:08:24,655 --> 00:08:26,815 Speaker 4: the blistic missile program as well. More importantly for a 144 00:08:26,855 --> 00:08:29,015 Speaker 4: lot of israel israelis Is, they're not so worried about 145 00:08:29,095 --> 00:08:32,255 Speaker 4: much worried about the nuclear potential, but the ballistic missiles, 146 00:08:32,295 --> 00:08:34,734 Speaker 4: which can do serious damage and have done serious damage 147 00:08:34,735 --> 00:08:37,375 Speaker 4: in this country. So they're pushing and pushing for this 148 00:08:37,454 --> 00:08:40,975 Speaker 4: to continue. On the Americans, it's a question mark. We 149 00:08:41,095 --> 00:08:43,575 Speaker 4: all know the mercurial Donald Trump. You know, does he 150 00:08:43,655 --> 00:08:45,775 Speaker 4: have the attention span to keep this going? Will he 151 00:08:46,255 --> 00:08:49,334 Speaker 4: get bored? He said specifically today that he's not the 152 00:08:49,375 --> 00:08:51,375 Speaker 4: type of guy that does get bored over these things. 153 00:08:51,415 --> 00:08:54,615 Speaker 4: But will something else come along and gets distract him 154 00:08:54,615 --> 00:08:57,454 Speaker 4: and they'll decide to move his resources and attention to that. 155 00:08:57,495 --> 00:08:59,934 Speaker 4: He could simply say, we've done the job. We've taken 156 00:08:59,975 --> 00:09:02,415 Speaker 4: out most of the Iranian leadership, We've taken out the 157 00:09:02,415 --> 00:09:07,095 Speaker 4: IATOA over to you, iranup, We've done the hard work, 158 00:09:07,175 --> 00:09:11,015 Speaker 4: your turn, and then wedraw all those logistical military support 159 00:09:11,375 --> 00:09:14,974 Speaker 4: structures and all of the aircraft carries them for submarines 160 00:09:15,015 --> 00:09:18,295 Speaker 4: and the planes and go on somewhere else, whether it's 161 00:09:18,335 --> 00:09:22,255 Speaker 4: Greenland or whether it's Venezuela or some other distracting moment. 162 00:09:22,935 --> 00:09:26,335 Speaker 4: And then where we left, We've got an Iran with 163 00:09:26,935 --> 00:09:31,775 Speaker 4: a power vacuum, an Iran with an uncertain future. Relationships 164 00:09:31,775 --> 00:09:35,935 Speaker 4: here across this region completely fractured now potentials for human 165 00:09:35,975 --> 00:09:40,055 Speaker 4: humanitarian catastrophe with people wanting to leave Iran. It really 166 00:09:40,175 --> 00:09:43,815 Speaker 4: is an open book now. Donald Trump is really open 167 00:09:43,855 --> 00:09:46,495 Speaker 4: a can of worms. And I don't think there's anyone 168 00:09:47,015 --> 00:09:49,215 Speaker 4: in the planet right now who can tell where this 169 00:09:49,335 --> 00:09:49,775 Speaker 4: is going to go. 170 00:09:50,415 --> 00:09:53,615 Speaker 3: The federal government's travel advice server Smart Traveler has told 171 00:09:53,655 --> 00:09:56,975 Speaker 3: Australian stock overseas due to the US Israel operation in 172 00:09:57,015 --> 00:10:00,775 Speaker 3: Iran to sign up to a registration portal to receive updates. 173 00:10:01,135 --> 00:10:03,895 Speaker 3: US President Donald Trump claimed yesterday that the war in 174 00:10:03,895 --> 00:10:07,135 Speaker 3: Iran would take four weeks, so leaving those who were 175 00:10:07,175 --> 00:10:09,255 Speaker 3: traveling via the Middle East and who are now stuck 176 00:10:09,295 --> 00:10:12,535 Speaker 3: in cities like Dubai, where Iranian missiles have targeted the 177 00:10:12,575 --> 00:10:15,815 Speaker 3: airport itself uncertain as to when they'll be allowed to 178 00:10:15,855 --> 00:10:20,015 Speaker 3: return home. Defense Minister Richard Miles yesterday said Airspace across 179 00:10:20,015 --> 00:10:22,695 Speaker 3: the Middle East is now currently blacked out and so 180 00:10:22,735 --> 00:10:26,295 Speaker 3: there's no air travel at all, saying he expects commercial 181 00:10:26,335 --> 00:10:29,655 Speaker 3: flights would come online first when travels started to reopen. 182 00:10:30,054 --> 00:10:34,495 Speaker 3: All Australian citizens, permanent residents and their immediate families in Israel, Iran, 183 00:10:34,575 --> 00:10:38,055 Speaker 3: Qatar and UAE are being asked to register to receive 184 00:10:38,095 --> 00:10:41,175 Speaker 3: the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade updates at Crisis 185 00:10:41,295 --> 00:10:44,575 Speaker 3: dot dfat dot gov dot Au. There are also numbers 186 00:10:44,615 --> 00:10:46,535 Speaker 3: you can call, which we'll put in the show notes. 187 00:10:47,295 --> 00:10:50,055 Speaker 3: One Nation leader Pauline Hanson has been censored by the 188 00:10:50,095 --> 00:10:54,535 Speaker 3: Senate following inflammatory remarks against Muslims. The Queensland senator came 189 00:10:54,575 --> 00:10:57,735 Speaker 3: under fire claiming in an interview there were no good Muslims, 190 00:10:57,775 --> 00:11:01,255 Speaker 3: which was roundly condemned by Labour and Liberal MPs as 191 00:11:01,255 --> 00:11:04,535 Speaker 3: well as the Islamic community. The center motion past thirty 192 00:11:04,575 --> 00:11:07,455 Speaker 3: six to seventeen, with Labour backing it as well as 193 00:11:07,455 --> 00:11:10,575 Speaker 3: the Greens. Foreign Minister Penny Wong moved the motion against 194 00:11:10,575 --> 00:11:14,694 Speaker 3: Senator Hanson, saying the comments distressed not just Islamic Australians, 195 00:11:14,695 --> 00:11:18,015 Speaker 3: but all Australians. A centure motion is a formal motion 196 00:11:18,095 --> 00:11:20,975 Speaker 3: of disapproval of an MP or senator for their actions, 197 00:11:21,215 --> 00:11:24,375 Speaker 3: but doesn't come with a punishment or suspension from the chamber. 198 00:11:24,775 --> 00:11:28,175 Speaker 3: Senator Hanson dismissed the motion as a political attack following 199 00:11:28,215 --> 00:11:31,135 Speaker 3: One Nation's rise in the polls, calling it a stunt, 200 00:11:31,495 --> 00:11:34,335 Speaker 3: saying the fact is in your gut. You can't stand 201 00:11:34,335 --> 00:11:36,535 Speaker 3: the fact that one nation is now on twenty seven 202 00:11:36,575 --> 00:11:39,855 Speaker 3: percent and twenty eight percent. The latest News poll revealed 203 00:11:39,895 --> 00:11:43,495 Speaker 3: Senator Hanson's party had the second highest primary vote and 204 00:11:43,615 --> 00:11:46,615 Speaker 3: was now in front of the coalition. A young freshwater 205 00:11:46,655 --> 00:11:49,375 Speaker 3: crocodile spotted hanging out in a creek behind a Bunnings 206 00:11:49,415 --> 00:11:53,175 Speaker 3: in Newcastle has been rescued and relocated. The manager at 207 00:11:53,175 --> 00:11:55,735 Speaker 3: the local Australian Reptile Park was caught in to remove 208 00:11:55,775 --> 00:11:59,255 Speaker 3: the animal from its unusual choice of location on Saturday afternoon, 209 00:11:59,575 --> 00:12:02,255 Speaker 3: but repeated efforts to grab the meat along crop from 210 00:12:02,335 --> 00:12:05,415 Speaker 3: the creekside pond failed, leading Billy call it in his 211 00:12:05,535 --> 00:12:08,015 Speaker 3: team to return on Sunday night. The team was on 212 00:12:08,015 --> 00:12:10,975 Speaker 3: the verge of arriving in the Hunter Wetlands three kilometers 213 00:12:11,015 --> 00:12:14,055 Speaker 3: downstream when looking back up the river, they spotted the 214 00:12:14,054 --> 00:12:16,655 Speaker 3: crocs I sign in their spotlight. One of the team 215 00:12:16,735 --> 00:12:19,935 Speaker 3: then swan dove into the water to capture it. Currently 216 00:12:20,015 --> 00:12:23,055 Speaker 3: in quarantine at the Central Coast Park, she will remain 217 00:12:23,175 --> 00:12:26,295 Speaker 3: under staff care while authorities investigate how she ended up 218 00:12:26,295 --> 00:12:29,295 Speaker 3: in New South Wales's second largest city, far away from 219 00:12:29,335 --> 00:12:29,975 Speaker 3: the tropics. 220 00:12:30,535 --> 00:12:33,735 Speaker 2: Thanks Clan. Next, new pay gap numbers are in. Yep, 221 00:12:33,855 --> 00:12:37,095 Speaker 2: it's shrinking. But before you pop the prosecco, there's more 222 00:12:37,135 --> 00:12:44,814 Speaker 2: to the story. Today is the third Gender pay Gap 223 00:12:44,855 --> 00:12:48,055 Speaker 2: Reporting Day, the moment each year when the Workplace Gender 224 00:12:48,054 --> 00:12:52,015 Speaker 2: Equality Agency or WOUJIA publishes fresh data on more than 225 00:12:52,095 --> 00:12:56,255 Speaker 2: ten and a half thousand employers across the country, covering 226 00:12:56,255 --> 00:12:59,695 Speaker 2: nearly five point nine million workers. For the first time, 227 00:12:59,815 --> 00:13:03,695 Speaker 2: Commonwealth public sector employees are included alongside the private sector, 228 00:13:04,095 --> 00:13:06,415 Speaker 2: so you can now look up how you're department, your 229 00:13:06,415 --> 00:13:10,375 Speaker 2: favorite brand, or your future boss is tracking on gender equality. 230 00:13:12,495 --> 00:13:15,054 Speaker 2: The headline is this the gap is moving in the 231 00:13:15,135 --> 00:13:18,814 Speaker 2: right direction, yes, but the gap itself is still very 232 00:13:18,895 --> 00:13:22,295 Speaker 2: much there. Half of private sector employers now have an 233 00:13:22,335 --> 00:13:26,415 Speaker 2: average total remuneration gender pay gap below eleven point two percent. 234 00:13:27,015 --> 00:13:30,015 Speaker 2: That midpoint has come down zero point nine percent points 235 00:13:30,054 --> 00:13:32,775 Speaker 2: in a year, and just over fifty four percent of 236 00:13:32,815 --> 00:13:36,415 Speaker 2: employers have actually reduced their gap since last year. The 237 00:13:36,455 --> 00:13:39,255 Speaker 2: midpoint of medium pay gaps has also dropped from eight 238 00:13:39,335 --> 00:13:42,735 Speaker 2: point nine to eight percent, which means women are closing 239 00:13:42,775 --> 00:13:45,575 Speaker 2: a little more of the distance on their male colleagues. 240 00:13:46,255 --> 00:13:48,655 Speaker 2: But when you dig into who's earning what, the picture 241 00:13:48,695 --> 00:13:52,175 Speaker 2: is still pretty familiar. Across all these employers, women and 242 00:13:52,215 --> 00:13:55,495 Speaker 2: men make up roughly half the workforce each, yet men 243 00:13:55,615 --> 00:13:58,335 Speaker 2: are one point eight times more likely to be in 244 00:13:58,375 --> 00:14:01,575 Speaker 2: the top paying quarters of jobs, while women are one 245 00:14:01,615 --> 00:14:04,015 Speaker 2: point four times more likely to be stuck in the 246 00:14:04,054 --> 00:14:08,015 Speaker 2: lowest paid quarter. National average total pay in that top 247 00:14:08,095 --> 00:14:10,735 Speaker 2: quarter is about two hundred and twenty one thousand dollars 248 00:14:10,775 --> 00:14:13,495 Speaker 2: a year, compared to just over sixty grand in the 249 00:14:13,495 --> 00:14:16,695 Speaker 2: bottom quarter, So stacking men at the top and women 250 00:14:16,735 --> 00:14:19,615 Speaker 2: at the bottom builds a massive gap even before you 251 00:14:19,695 --> 00:14:25,735 Speaker 2: touch base salaries. Industries matter too, so male dominated sectors 252 00:14:25,775 --> 00:14:29,895 Speaker 2: like financial services, construction, mining, and electricity all have typical 253 00:14:29,975 --> 00:14:33,975 Speaker 2: employer gaps well above the national benchmark. In finance alone, 254 00:14:34,015 --> 00:14:36,615 Speaker 2: about eighty five percent of employers have a gender pay 255 00:14:36,615 --> 00:14:41,815 Speaker 2: gap above eleven point two percent. Meanwhile, women dominated fields 256 00:14:41,855 --> 00:14:45,455 Speaker 2: like health, education and community services have smaller gaps but 257 00:14:45,735 --> 00:14:50,175 Speaker 2: often lower overall pay then there's the quiet killer bonuses 258 00:14:50,255 --> 00:14:53,815 Speaker 2: and other extras. When we strip out super and look 259 00:14:53,855 --> 00:14:58,855 Speaker 2: at only discretionary pay, performance bonuses allowances over time, the 260 00:14:58,895 --> 00:15:02,095 Speaker 2: midpoint gender pay gap blows out to twenty nine point 261 00:15:02,175 --> 00:15:05,575 Speaker 2: seven percent. In other words, men are getting at at 262 00:15:05,615 --> 00:15:08,815 Speaker 2: least thirty percent more than women in those add ons, 263 00:15:09,215 --> 00:15:12,415 Speaker 2: even when base salaries look closer. That's about how managers 264 00:15:12,455 --> 00:15:15,495 Speaker 2: reward potential, who can stay back late, who gets put 265 00:15:15,575 --> 00:15:18,375 Speaker 2: up for bonuses, And the report says only around a 266 00:15:18,455 --> 00:15:21,335 Speaker 2: quarter of employers who did a pay gap analysis then 267 00:15:21,415 --> 00:15:24,095 Speaker 2: went back to see if their performance systems were stacking 268 00:15:24,095 --> 00:15:28,015 Speaker 2: the deck. The flip side is that transparency is starting 269 00:15:28,055 --> 00:15:31,775 Speaker 2: to change behavior. WI GIA says sixty eight percent of 270 00:15:31,815 --> 00:15:35,095 Speaker 2: employers now run some kind of gender pay gap analysis, 271 00:15:35,455 --> 00:15:38,375 Speaker 2: but only a quarter of those to a truly comprehensive 272 00:15:38,415 --> 00:15:42,015 Speaker 2: one that looks at promotions, hiring, resignations, leave and pay 273 00:15:42,095 --> 00:15:47,335 Speaker 2: quarter leagues together. And this is where policy starts to bite. 274 00:15:47,375 --> 00:15:50,695 Speaker 2: From twenty twenty six, large employers with more than five 275 00:15:50,855 --> 00:15:54,095 Speaker 2: hundred staff will be legally required to set and meet 276 00:15:54,295 --> 00:16:00,095 Speaker 2: gender equality targets. Also, they've improved over three years now. 277 00:16:00,175 --> 00:16:02,695 Speaker 2: The government is banking on that along with the publicly 278 00:16:02,735 --> 00:16:06,695 Speaker 2: available data Explorer to push companies to take make flexible work, 279 00:16:06,855 --> 00:16:11,495 Speaker 2: paid parental leave, safe workplaces and fair promotion processes. Seriously 280 00:16:12,055 --> 00:16:15,615 Speaker 2: not just as nice to have perks. So the gap 281 00:16:15,655 --> 00:16:19,135 Speaker 2: is closing in some areas, blowing out others. But how 282 00:16:19,175 --> 00:16:21,855 Speaker 2: do we fix it? I took myself down to Canberra 283 00:16:22,015 --> 00:16:25,055 Speaker 2: to get some answers from the Minister for Finance and Women, 284 00:16:25,215 --> 00:16:28,815 Speaker 2: Katie Gallaher. I started by asking what her initial take 285 00:16:29,055 --> 00:16:30,935 Speaker 2: was when she received the Leader's report. 286 00:16:32,335 --> 00:16:35,855 Speaker 5: Initially, I guess positive because it is all moving in 287 00:16:35,895 --> 00:16:39,615 Speaker 5: the right direction. But there's an element of frustration too. 288 00:16:39,895 --> 00:16:42,935 Speaker 5: I have to be honest that we're not moving faster 289 00:16:43,255 --> 00:16:46,455 Speaker 5: than we would have hoped. So the gender pay gap 290 00:16:46,535 --> 00:16:51,455 Speaker 5: is continuing to trend down, but in many industries it's 291 00:16:51,495 --> 00:16:56,255 Speaker 5: still enormous. And for areas and jobs we get paid bonuses, 292 00:16:56,815 --> 00:16:59,215 Speaker 5: that seems to now be the area we need to 293 00:16:59,255 --> 00:17:01,695 Speaker 5: focus on. So it's not your sort of base rate, 294 00:17:01,855 --> 00:17:03,735 Speaker 5: it's all the things that you get on top of that. 295 00:17:04,215 --> 00:17:05,175 Speaker 1: Still a lot of work to do. 296 00:17:05,695 --> 00:17:08,495 Speaker 2: When you say there are some typical industries where we're 297 00:17:08,534 --> 00:17:11,055 Speaker 2: more likely to see that gap, what are they? 298 00:17:11,655 --> 00:17:16,295 Speaker 5: So it's areas like finance and other traditionally male areas. 299 00:17:16,334 --> 00:17:21,494 Speaker 5: Finance certainly stands out, but areas like construction engineering, all 300 00:17:21,534 --> 00:17:25,734 Speaker 5: of those traditionally male areas continue to have a gender 301 00:17:25,734 --> 00:17:28,174 Speaker 5: pay gap that's much larger than we would like. 302 00:17:28,574 --> 00:17:32,335 Speaker 2: Whose responsibility is it then to close the gap? Well, 303 00:17:32,415 --> 00:17:36,135 Speaker 2: I think primarily the employer. This is our third report, 304 00:17:36,695 --> 00:17:39,094 Speaker 2: so we've been watching it now for a couple of years, 305 00:17:39,175 --> 00:17:42,534 Speaker 2: and there's no doubt that shining a light, having some 306 00:17:42,574 --> 00:17:47,334 Speaker 2: transparency about what's happening in individual employers is helping because 307 00:17:47,375 --> 00:17:50,254 Speaker 2: we're seeing that more employers are doing gender analysis about 308 00:17:50,294 --> 00:17:54,774 Speaker 2: what's going on, and we are seeing improvements gradually. 309 00:17:54,814 --> 00:17:55,774 Speaker 1: In some areas. 310 00:17:56,415 --> 00:17:58,894 Speaker 5: So it's primarily the employer, it's up to them, but 311 00:17:58,975 --> 00:18:02,654 Speaker 5: it's also there's a broader responsibility about trying to shift 312 00:18:02,935 --> 00:18:06,655 Speaker 5: the gender segregated nature of our labor market. So it's 313 00:18:06,774 --> 00:18:10,455 Speaker 5: so segregated here based on gender, much more so than 314 00:18:10,494 --> 00:18:13,335 Speaker 5: many other countries, and that's something that you know, it's 315 00:18:13,614 --> 00:18:16,935 Speaker 5: I feel it's the government's responsibility because it comes down 316 00:18:16,975 --> 00:18:20,655 Speaker 5: to training and also access to skills, but it's also 317 00:18:21,415 --> 00:18:25,415 Speaker 5: access to choices, and we know that girls at primary 318 00:18:25,415 --> 00:18:28,574 Speaker 5: school are making decisions about the jobs they don't think 319 00:18:29,094 --> 00:18:31,215 Speaker 5: are right for them, and we've got to kind of 320 00:18:31,254 --> 00:18:32,215 Speaker 5: deal with that as well. 321 00:18:32,455 --> 00:18:35,774 Speaker 2: What does that reasonably and feasibly look like from a 322 00:18:35,774 --> 00:18:40,855 Speaker 2: government standpoint? Is that policy intervention? Whereabouts do you track that? Yeah, 323 00:18:40,854 --> 00:18:41,854 Speaker 2: so it's a couple of things. 324 00:18:41,895 --> 00:18:45,494 Speaker 5: Well, ones about attitudes about what job is for women 325 00:18:45,534 --> 00:18:48,455 Speaker 5: and what job is for men or boys and girls, 326 00:18:48,534 --> 00:18:51,695 Speaker 5: and they're making those choices in primary school, So how 327 00:18:51,734 --> 00:18:54,935 Speaker 5: we intervene there, but also how we make sure that 328 00:18:55,415 --> 00:19:01,254 Speaker 5: training opportunities, whether it be through apprenticeships or other TAFE programs, 329 00:19:01,334 --> 00:19:05,814 Speaker 5: are encouraging women into these jobs that have traditionally women 330 00:19:05,854 --> 00:19:08,854 Speaker 5: have thought it's off limits for them. And part of 331 00:19:08,895 --> 00:19:11,455 Speaker 5: that is about making sure the culture in those workplaces 332 00:19:11,455 --> 00:19:13,734 Speaker 5: are right, because for many women, they'll have a look 333 00:19:13,774 --> 00:19:16,774 Speaker 5: at something and think, well, that's not for me because 334 00:19:16,895 --> 00:19:19,294 Speaker 5: either the culture is wrong or the infrastructure isn't there. 335 00:19:19,695 --> 00:19:22,374 Speaker 5: It hasn't been that long since women's toilets went on 336 00:19:22,895 --> 00:19:27,054 Speaker 5: construction sites. Obviously that's a fundamental need if you're going 337 00:19:27,094 --> 00:19:30,294 Speaker 5: to get more women into those jobs. So I think 338 00:19:30,294 --> 00:19:33,095 Speaker 5: with all of these issues where you see structural inequality, 339 00:19:33,294 --> 00:19:34,654 Speaker 5: you're going to have to come at it from a 340 00:19:34,734 --> 00:19:35,774 Speaker 5: number of different ways. 341 00:19:35,975 --> 00:19:39,375 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the cultural aspect is a really big one. 342 00:19:39,975 --> 00:19:42,175 Speaker 2: But there are always going to be people who say, well, 343 00:19:42,415 --> 00:19:45,295 Speaker 2: women don't want to be sparkys and brickies and men 344 00:19:45,334 --> 00:19:48,814 Speaker 2: don't want to be nurses or in those caregiving roles 345 00:19:48,814 --> 00:19:53,295 Speaker 2: and careers. Why is it important then that we do 346 00:19:53,415 --> 00:19:56,294 Speaker 2: change that conversation. Who benefits when we do things like 347 00:19:56,375 --> 00:19:57,294 Speaker 2: close the pay gap? 348 00:19:58,215 --> 00:20:00,254 Speaker 5: Well, we know all the data is in where you 349 00:20:00,375 --> 00:20:03,654 Speaker 5: have a gender equal organization, whether that be at your 350 00:20:03,655 --> 00:20:07,254 Speaker 5: board level or through your employees, that you perform better. 351 00:20:07,614 --> 00:20:10,254 Speaker 5: It brings a range of skills and capabilities to the 352 00:20:10,294 --> 00:20:13,294 Speaker 5: table that you don't have if you don't have a 353 00:20:13,334 --> 00:20:16,615 Speaker 5: good balance between men and women. I mean, for us 354 00:20:16,655 --> 00:20:20,294 Speaker 5: in government, we watch all of these things carefully or 355 00:20:20,334 --> 00:20:23,175 Speaker 5: we're about it's making sure people have the choices available 356 00:20:23,254 --> 00:20:27,014 Speaker 5: to them. And we've seen, for example, in age care 357 00:20:27,334 --> 00:20:31,375 Speaker 5: where people say well, and that is predominantly women, and in. 358 00:20:31,334 --> 00:20:33,774 Speaker 1: Fact it it's got worse over the last five years. 359 00:20:33,854 --> 00:20:37,774 Speaker 5: The minute that pay increase came in, where age care 360 00:20:37,814 --> 00:20:41,135 Speaker 5: workers were given a twenty five percent pay increase, we've 361 00:20:41,175 --> 00:20:45,174 Speaker 5: seen much more men into that industry. And so you 362 00:20:45,215 --> 00:20:49,734 Speaker 5: can see good pay, good facilities, good infrastructure that meets 363 00:20:49,774 --> 00:20:51,254 Speaker 5: the needs of men and women in. 364 00:20:51,175 --> 00:20:53,654 Speaker 1: The workplace, people will make the choice. 365 00:20:54,215 --> 00:20:57,135 Speaker 2: So you mentioned before that some of these bonuses are 366 00:20:57,254 --> 00:21:00,054 Speaker 2: hitting contributing factors to the pay gap. We know that 367 00:21:00,135 --> 00:21:02,415 Speaker 2: super is one of those things that's been well known 368 00:21:02,494 --> 00:21:05,254 Speaker 2: for a long time, but when it comes to things 369 00:21:05,294 --> 00:21:08,414 Speaker 2: like bonuses, over time, the gap does blow out to 370 00:21:08,455 --> 00:21:11,854 Speaker 2: nearly thirty percent. Why is that and how do you 371 00:21:11,895 --> 00:21:12,734 Speaker 2: actually fix it? 372 00:21:13,334 --> 00:21:15,294 Speaker 5: Good pick up there in the report, because that's the 373 00:21:15,334 --> 00:21:17,294 Speaker 5: thing that jumped out to me. When we see the 374 00:21:17,294 --> 00:21:21,014 Speaker 5: gender pay gap coming down. More employers are in the 375 00:21:21,135 --> 00:21:24,014 Speaker 5: zone that we want them to be. More employers are 376 00:21:24,014 --> 00:21:27,094 Speaker 5: doing that gender analysis, the reports to boards are working, 377 00:21:27,175 --> 00:21:29,774 Speaker 5: so all of the things we put in place are working, 378 00:21:30,175 --> 00:21:32,294 Speaker 5: and then this kind of hits you in the face 379 00:21:32,334 --> 00:21:35,654 Speaker 5: and we think there's something going on there. We'll need 380 00:21:35,695 --> 00:21:37,574 Speaker 5: to do some more work on it to understand it. 381 00:21:37,655 --> 00:21:42,054 Speaker 5: But where there are bonuses being paid or payments outside 382 00:21:42,334 --> 00:21:46,294 Speaker 5: standard remuneration, that's clearly an area where men are doing 383 00:21:46,375 --> 00:21:49,375 Speaker 5: a lot better. And it may be that they are 384 00:21:49,494 --> 00:21:52,895 Speaker 5: more prevalent in those industries which are male dominated. I'm 385 00:21:52,935 --> 00:21:55,614 Speaker 5: sure that is part of the reason, but that doesn't 386 00:21:55,655 --> 00:21:59,135 Speaker 5: excuse it. This is why we band pay secrecy clauses 387 00:21:59,175 --> 00:22:02,014 Speaker 5: and things like that, because we know from all the 388 00:22:02,094 --> 00:22:05,295 Speaker 5: data that where you have these kind of secret arrangements, 389 00:22:06,094 --> 00:22:08,854 Speaker 5: arrangements that don't link to the award or the EBA, 390 00:22:08,975 --> 00:22:11,254 Speaker 5: they're kind of over and above that that men tend 391 00:22:11,254 --> 00:22:12,375 Speaker 5: to do a lot better than women. 392 00:22:12,574 --> 00:22:14,815 Speaker 2: And so it's a lazy argument then to say that, well, 393 00:22:14,814 --> 00:22:17,215 Speaker 2: women don't want to put themselves up for promotion, women 394 00:22:17,254 --> 00:22:19,454 Speaker 2: don't feel like they should put themselves forward and go 395 00:22:19,534 --> 00:22:21,335 Speaker 2: for those bigger paying jobs. 396 00:22:21,094 --> 00:22:23,695 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I think that's got nothing to do with it. 397 00:22:24,014 --> 00:22:27,294 Speaker 5: I would think in those industries, particularly in finance and banking, 398 00:22:27,334 --> 00:22:29,734 Speaker 5: where there are a lot of these kind of arrangements, 399 00:22:30,254 --> 00:22:32,574 Speaker 5: that it's linked to the level of men, often in 400 00:22:32,655 --> 00:22:37,455 Speaker 5: more senior jobs and in those highly segregated workplaces. 401 00:22:37,935 --> 00:22:41,055 Speaker 2: So this is the third pay gap report that'll be published. 402 00:22:41,734 --> 00:22:44,494 Speaker 2: What's the response like from employers? Because everyone likes to 403 00:22:44,534 --> 00:22:46,455 Speaker 2: think they're doing the right thing, but then when you 404 00:22:46,494 --> 00:22:49,215 Speaker 2: put it on paper, that's not always the story that's told. 405 00:22:49,734 --> 00:22:52,734 Speaker 5: I mean, this has been really instructive to me. I 406 00:22:53,175 --> 00:22:55,534 Speaker 5: knew it would change things. I didn't think it would 407 00:22:55,534 --> 00:22:59,014 Speaker 5: be well, get as much scrutiny as it has. And 408 00:22:59,175 --> 00:23:01,975 Speaker 5: I certainly deal with a lot of employers be employers, 409 00:23:02,014 --> 00:23:04,494 Speaker 5: and I know that this has changed the way they 410 00:23:04,614 --> 00:23:07,494 Speaker 5: think about these things, because how can you not When 411 00:23:07,534 --> 00:23:10,415 Speaker 5: everything else is taken away and your name on your 412 00:23:10,455 --> 00:23:14,175 Speaker 5: company's there and your gender pay gaps reported, there isn't 413 00:23:14,175 --> 00:23:16,934 Speaker 5: really anywhere to hide, And so I think it has 414 00:23:17,054 --> 00:23:20,294 Speaker 5: changed the way that senior management think about these things. 415 00:23:20,695 --> 00:23:24,175 Speaker 1: We're seeing that in the data heading the right way. 416 00:23:24,215 --> 00:23:26,335 Speaker 5: But there is a lot more I think we need 417 00:23:26,375 --> 00:23:29,094 Speaker 5: to do, and we just want to see more progress 418 00:23:29,094 --> 00:23:30,175 Speaker 5: than one percent a year. 419 00:23:30,455 --> 00:23:32,174 Speaker 2: I think it's important that I say right now, I 420 00:23:32,294 --> 00:23:34,494 Speaker 2: checked what mumm is gender pay gap is. 421 00:23:34,494 --> 00:23:35,734 Speaker 1: We're doing very healthy. 422 00:23:36,014 --> 00:23:38,894 Speaker 2: You are you are have something to do with the 423 00:23:38,935 --> 00:23:40,774 Speaker 2: eighty percent employees that we have. 424 00:23:41,334 --> 00:23:42,374 Speaker 1: Last one for you, U, Katie. 425 00:23:42,415 --> 00:23:45,134 Speaker 2: The government says that large employers with over five hundred 426 00:23:45,175 --> 00:23:48,094 Speaker 2: staff will now need to meet gender equality targets. 427 00:23:48,254 --> 00:23:51,215 Speaker 1: What could that actually look like in realistic. 428 00:23:50,895 --> 00:23:54,055 Speaker 5: Terms, Well, there's a fair bit of flexibility for employers 429 00:23:54,094 --> 00:23:56,934 Speaker 5: in that category. So we are focusing on large employers, 430 00:23:57,094 --> 00:24:00,975 Speaker 5: but based on whatever's happening in their workplace, reasonable and 431 00:24:01,094 --> 00:24:04,814 Speaker 5: responsible targets to address the problems they have or the 432 00:24:04,895 --> 00:24:07,054 Speaker 5: areas where the inequality exists. 433 00:24:07,574 --> 00:24:10,655 Speaker 1: They are required to report to boards and have that discussion. 434 00:24:10,655 --> 00:24:12,734 Speaker 5: Now, so this sort of takes the next step, like 435 00:24:13,294 --> 00:24:16,294 Speaker 5: we don't want to see coasting like, oh yeah, well 436 00:24:16,415 --> 00:24:19,415 Speaker 5: we sit just outside or just on the wrong side 437 00:24:19,494 --> 00:24:22,254 Speaker 5: or the right side, and so that's enough. We want 438 00:24:22,415 --> 00:24:26,055 Speaker 5: a lot of proactive energy coming into this from senior management, 439 00:24:26,254 --> 00:24:29,935 Speaker 5: so they'll have flexibility to determine a target that's right 440 00:24:29,975 --> 00:24:32,574 Speaker 5: for them, but we want to see effort made to 441 00:24:32,614 --> 00:24:36,174 Speaker 5: shift the dial and to work towards meeting those targets. 442 00:24:36,695 --> 00:24:38,814 Speaker 5: Some people have said, oh, well, there's no punishment if 443 00:24:38,814 --> 00:24:41,934 Speaker 5: they don't meet the targets. But the idea is that 444 00:24:42,534 --> 00:24:45,814 Speaker 5: it's a bit carrot and stick. Come on, work with us. 445 00:24:45,975 --> 00:24:50,934 Speaker 5: We're publishing this data, so that's the transparency frame. But 446 00:24:51,094 --> 00:24:54,455 Speaker 5: now take your data and actually do something with it 447 00:24:54,854 --> 00:24:57,014 Speaker 5: and try and make a difference, because it actually it's 448 00:24:57,054 --> 00:25:01,215 Speaker 5: good for business, it's good for organizations. So I'm hopeful 449 00:25:01,375 --> 00:25:04,494 Speaker 5: that we will see people leaning in, employers leaning in 450 00:25:04,534 --> 00:25:05,694 Speaker 5: on that side. 451 00:25:09,655 --> 00:25:11,894 Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with 452 00:25:11,975 --> 00:25:13,655 Speaker 2: us today. If you want to have a look at 453 00:25:13,695 --> 00:25:16,774 Speaker 2: the wage gap data Explorer, I am going to pop 454 00:25:16,774 --> 00:25:18,894 Speaker 2: a link in the show notes so you can go 455 00:25:18,935 --> 00:25:22,455 Speaker 2: and look up your own workplace. 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