1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:16,113 Speaker 1: You're listening to I'm Mom with mea podcast. Makeup is 2 00:00:16,194 --> 00:00:16,954 Speaker 1: my therapy. 3 00:00:17,154 --> 00:00:20,194 Speaker 2: I'm in love, I'm obsess and I don't even feel 4 00:00:20,233 --> 00:00:20,994 Speaker 2: guilty about it. 5 00:00:24,594 --> 00:00:27,514 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to you beauty. This is the podcast 6 00:00:27,594 --> 00:00:32,274 Speaker 1: for Your Face. I'm Kelly McCarran and welcome to the formula. 7 00:00:32,354 --> 00:00:35,754 Speaker 1: Every week I chat to all sorts of celebs, experts, 8 00:00:35,793 --> 00:00:37,914 Speaker 1: and the biggest names in beauty to take a sneak 9 00:00:37,954 --> 00:00:41,594 Speaker 1: peek at their routines, what they suggest, what they don't suggest, 10 00:00:41,994 --> 00:00:45,434 Speaker 1: and hunt around in their beauty cabinet. Today, I'm joined 11 00:00:45,434 --> 00:00:48,434 Speaker 1: by Matt Johnson. You might recognize him from the last 12 00:00:48,473 --> 00:00:52,833 Speaker 1: season of the Block, but he's also an absolute powerhouse 13 00:00:53,114 --> 00:00:56,794 Speaker 1: of the beauty industry, with twenty four years under his 14 00:00:56,914 --> 00:01:00,434 Speaker 1: belt in the hair industry. He's got two salons in Adelaide. 15 00:01:00,594 --> 00:01:04,874 Speaker 1: He's the global artistic director for Matrix Laurel. He's currently 16 00:01:04,874 --> 00:01:07,953 Speaker 1: based in Adelaide working as a hairstylist and colorist. He's 17 00:01:07,994 --> 00:01:11,834 Speaker 1: also got many other businesses and he does so many 18 00:01:11,834 --> 00:01:15,194 Speaker 1: other cool things. As we establish in this chat today, 19 00:01:15,194 --> 00:01:17,154 Speaker 1: he's here to let us in on all of his 20 00:01:17,274 --> 00:01:20,434 Speaker 1: hair secrets. We're talking about the colors and the styles, 21 00:01:20,434 --> 00:01:23,554 Speaker 1: that are dominating right now, how to achieve a salon 22 00:01:23,634 --> 00:01:27,194 Speaker 1: worthy blowout, from home tips for going gray, as well 23 00:01:27,234 --> 00:01:30,554 Speaker 1: as heaps of product recommendations you need to know about. 24 00:01:30,914 --> 00:01:31,834 Speaker 1: So welcome, Matt. 25 00:01:32,354 --> 00:01:34,594 Speaker 3: You have such beautiful skilled But. 26 00:01:34,874 --> 00:01:41,194 Speaker 1: How Matt, So we're twenty four years in the hair industry, 27 00:01:41,394 --> 00:01:43,314 Speaker 1: can you tell us a little bit about what you 28 00:01:43,394 --> 00:01:46,874 Speaker 1: specialize in and what your day to day looks like. 29 00:01:47,354 --> 00:01:50,194 Speaker 3: So, as you said, I've been hairdressing twenty four years, 30 00:01:50,514 --> 00:01:54,474 Speaker 3: I have been a really active member in the hair 31 00:01:54,514 --> 00:01:55,754 Speaker 3: industry for that time. 32 00:01:55,874 --> 00:01:58,314 Speaker 2: So i have two salons in Adelaide. 33 00:01:58,474 --> 00:02:00,594 Speaker 3: I've got one in nor Were just on the fringe 34 00:02:00,634 --> 00:02:02,914 Speaker 3: of the city, and then one down up more for Ville, 35 00:02:02,954 --> 00:02:06,474 Speaker 3: which is like more coastal sort of area near Glenelg 36 00:02:07,154 --> 00:02:11,394 Speaker 3: And I've been part of the Laurel family for probably 37 00:02:11,474 --> 00:02:17,074 Speaker 3: the last I would say fifteen years, and been part 38 00:02:17,154 --> 00:02:21,234 Speaker 3: of the global team for maybe the last ten and 39 00:02:21,234 --> 00:02:25,674 Speaker 3: then global artistic director with Matrix for about the last 40 00:02:25,714 --> 00:02:30,514 Speaker 3: four or five years. And so that in itself, so 41 00:02:30,594 --> 00:02:33,154 Speaker 3: that I've got my hairdressing world in my salons where 42 00:02:33,194 --> 00:02:36,754 Speaker 3: I've got incredible team and the day to day general 43 00:02:36,794 --> 00:02:41,793 Speaker 3: hairdressing of like color extensions, and that sort of thing. 44 00:02:41,834 --> 00:02:46,554 Speaker 3: Then with my Laurel gig So Loureal owns Matrix and 45 00:02:46,594 --> 00:02:49,274 Speaker 3: a lot of the other big key hair brands in 46 00:02:49,314 --> 00:02:52,234 Speaker 3: the industry that we're all very familiar with, and so 47 00:02:52,274 --> 00:02:56,913 Speaker 3: I fly around the world doing product development, TV commercials, 48 00:02:57,754 --> 00:03:02,874 Speaker 3: hair for branding, marketing, all the big advertising campaigns that 49 00:03:02,914 --> 00:03:05,233 Speaker 3: you see, and I get to do some really exciting 50 00:03:05,274 --> 00:03:08,353 Speaker 3: things like being part of the global team. Will either 51 00:03:08,394 --> 00:03:11,073 Speaker 3: do like big huge hair shows on stage. I'll be 52 00:03:11,154 --> 00:03:13,834 Speaker 3: in India in front of seven and a half thousand 53 00:03:13,914 --> 00:03:17,674 Speaker 3: people all doing hair at the same time educating, or 54 00:03:18,114 --> 00:03:20,394 Speaker 3: things at a bit more like fine tune. So they'll 55 00:03:20,394 --> 00:03:23,754 Speaker 3: fly all the global artistic directors from around the world 56 00:03:23,754 --> 00:03:26,514 Speaker 3: into one room in New York and we get with 57 00:03:26,674 --> 00:03:30,994 Speaker 3: a fashion stylist who will showcase the new fashions and 58 00:03:31,074 --> 00:03:34,874 Speaker 3: trends and textiles and colors and prints that they'll be 59 00:03:34,954 --> 00:03:38,634 Speaker 3: releasing in Paris Fashion Week in six months time and 60 00:03:38,714 --> 00:03:41,354 Speaker 3: twelve months time. And we see in a room and 61 00:03:41,434 --> 00:03:46,754 Speaker 3: discuss colors and styles and stuff that will complement these fashions. 62 00:03:47,074 --> 00:03:50,554 Speaker 3: Then it gets put into an advertising campaign and a 63 00:03:50,554 --> 00:03:51,954 Speaker 3: photo shoot, and. 64 00:03:51,874 --> 00:03:53,754 Speaker 2: Then it gets released all over the world. 65 00:03:53,754 --> 00:03:56,954 Speaker 3: As like fashion forecasting for hair and then people like 66 00:03:57,074 --> 00:03:58,594 Speaker 3: myself educated. 67 00:03:58,474 --> 00:04:00,994 Speaker 1: That's so cool. You're just a little bit busy. 68 00:04:01,034 --> 00:04:04,314 Speaker 2: Then, just a little bit busy, so you also. 69 00:04:04,114 --> 00:04:05,874 Speaker 1: Have a week business? Is that right? 70 00:04:06,194 --> 00:04:06,754 Speaker 2: Yeah? I do. 71 00:04:06,834 --> 00:04:08,634 Speaker 1: So she forgot about that one. 72 00:04:09,194 --> 00:04:11,234 Speaker 2: Well, that just accidentally happened. 73 00:04:11,474 --> 00:04:15,274 Speaker 3: And so I have looked after DJ Tiger for the 74 00:04:15,394 --> 00:04:18,433 Speaker 3: last ten years and we were doing a photo shoot 75 00:04:18,634 --> 00:04:21,674 Speaker 3: and she was showcasing what we were doing on her 76 00:04:21,753 --> 00:04:24,914 Speaker 3: socials and there was that many people asking where are 77 00:04:24,914 --> 00:04:27,313 Speaker 3: these weeks from Rah Rah. So I was like, I 78 00:04:27,354 --> 00:04:29,753 Speaker 3: just saw an idea. So I was like, right, So 79 00:04:30,393 --> 00:04:33,713 Speaker 3: found a manufacturing facility overseas and so then they started 80 00:04:33,753 --> 00:04:36,193 Speaker 3: to make the bases, send them over to us, and 81 00:04:36,193 --> 00:04:39,394 Speaker 3: then we would cut, color, style them and send them 82 00:04:39,393 --> 00:04:42,194 Speaker 3: all over the world, especially for people in the music industry. 83 00:04:42,553 --> 00:04:46,314 Speaker 1: That's so cool. It's pretty amazing, and like her hair 84 00:04:46,393 --> 00:04:48,234 Speaker 1: always has looked so incredible. 85 00:04:48,513 --> 00:04:49,953 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. 86 00:04:50,674 --> 00:04:54,633 Speaker 1: Now in Australia, as you know, we are moving into winter, 87 00:04:54,753 --> 00:04:58,674 Speaker 1: although in Adelaide you might have already started getting super 88 00:04:58,674 --> 00:05:00,994 Speaker 1: cold days, but in Sydney we've only just like over 89 00:05:01,034 --> 00:05:03,794 Speaker 1: the past week, gotten a few What are some of 90 00:05:03,834 --> 00:05:07,714 Speaker 1: the trends that you're seeing this year in in regards 91 00:05:07,753 --> 00:05:11,193 Speaker 1: to like our people. You know, some winters people want 92 00:05:11,234 --> 00:05:14,914 Speaker 1: to chouple their hair off or get extensions, or go 93 00:05:14,953 --> 00:05:17,354 Speaker 1: a more chruco ltty color, or get some low lights. 94 00:05:17,354 --> 00:05:19,074 Speaker 1: What trends are you seeing for this season? 95 00:05:19,354 --> 00:05:23,914 Speaker 3: For this season is definitely more warmer tone. So when 96 00:05:23,993 --> 00:05:28,474 Speaker 3: winter comes, like everyone Australians in general light to be bright, 97 00:05:28,993 --> 00:05:32,833 Speaker 3: icy white blonde and have those really bright pearly tones. 98 00:05:33,193 --> 00:05:36,713 Speaker 3: Whereas for winter it's nice to have a bit more 99 00:05:36,834 --> 00:05:40,513 Speaker 3: gold to it. And gold doesn't necessarily mean yellow. So 100 00:05:40,873 --> 00:05:43,153 Speaker 3: when people hear the word gold and they're used to 101 00:05:43,193 --> 00:05:47,993 Speaker 3: being like platinum, it's like, you mean, put. 102 00:05:47,834 --> 00:05:48,633 Speaker 2: Gold in my hair. 103 00:05:48,674 --> 00:05:51,713 Speaker 3: But gold is different to yellow because when you have 104 00:05:51,873 --> 00:05:57,113 Speaker 3: a gold hair color, it's much more brighter. So violets 105 00:05:57,393 --> 00:06:01,753 Speaker 3: and cooler tones like that they'll absorb the light, where 106 00:06:01,873 --> 00:06:04,873 Speaker 3: if you have gold in your color, it will reflect it. 107 00:06:05,633 --> 00:06:07,914 Speaker 2: Yeah, can still. 108 00:06:07,674 --> 00:06:11,073 Speaker 3: Be really bright blonde, but have more of a golden tone. 109 00:06:11,393 --> 00:06:13,794 Speaker 3: But what we're seeing as we get into the call 110 00:06:13,834 --> 00:06:17,634 Speaker 3: of months, more of your beigey sort of blondes are 111 00:06:17,633 --> 00:06:20,113 Speaker 3: going maybe like even a bit of a strawberry color. 112 00:06:20,513 --> 00:06:22,433 Speaker 2: I wouldn't suggest if. 113 00:06:22,313 --> 00:06:25,993 Speaker 3: You are blonde blonde to go copper, because it's quite 114 00:06:26,034 --> 00:06:28,993 Speaker 3: difficult to remove it once you want to go lighter. 115 00:06:29,513 --> 00:06:33,153 Speaker 2: So I would suggest, you know, more of strawberry sort. 116 00:06:32,993 --> 00:06:35,553 Speaker 3: Of tones that are easily to be taken out when 117 00:06:35,553 --> 00:06:39,113 Speaker 3: we get back into summer. But for like all of 118 00:06:39,154 --> 00:06:44,074 Speaker 3: our deeper colors, the rich chocolates, the more auban tones, 119 00:06:44,633 --> 00:06:49,194 Speaker 3: gold copper, those autumnal sort of colors beautiful. 120 00:06:50,274 --> 00:06:53,674 Speaker 1: Do you have a celebrity reference in mind of someone 121 00:06:53,753 --> 00:06:58,153 Speaker 1: with really bright blonde hair that more warm based though, 122 00:06:58,193 --> 00:07:00,433 Speaker 1: because just so I sort of can help. 123 00:07:00,714 --> 00:07:04,393 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would probably say maybe Margo Robbie. 124 00:07:04,393 --> 00:07:06,394 Speaker 1: Oh my, that's who I was in my mind. Her 125 00:07:06,393 --> 00:07:07,113 Speaker 1: hair's beauty. 126 00:07:07,914 --> 00:07:11,033 Speaker 3: Her hair is beautiful, but she is extremely blonde. But 127 00:07:11,154 --> 00:07:14,033 Speaker 3: you see how bright it is. I can tell you 128 00:07:14,114 --> 00:07:16,514 Speaker 3: right now. She was living in Australia, it would be 129 00:07:16,754 --> 00:07:19,594 Speaker 3: icy white blonde, but because she's La based, most of 130 00:07:19,634 --> 00:07:23,834 Speaker 3: the time you'll see in America they more often than 131 00:07:23,874 --> 00:07:27,233 Speaker 3: not will be more of like a bright gold rather 132 00:07:27,274 --> 00:07:28,314 Speaker 3: than bright white. 133 00:07:28,914 --> 00:07:32,634 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so like in Australia was sort of a 134 00:07:32,674 --> 00:07:34,914 Speaker 1: few years or months behind that trend. 135 00:07:35,594 --> 00:07:37,874 Speaker 3: No, I don't think it's necessarily a trend. Americans have 136 00:07:37,994 --> 00:07:43,314 Speaker 3: always worked with golden toads. It's like working with Matrix, 137 00:07:43,354 --> 00:07:47,314 Speaker 3: which is an American New York based company. Everything is 138 00:07:47,514 --> 00:07:50,794 Speaker 3: very it's not white blonde. Everything's gold blonde, but like 139 00:07:51,034 --> 00:07:54,194 Speaker 3: bright bright, but it's got that slight you know. 140 00:07:54,874 --> 00:07:57,273 Speaker 2: I don't want to say honey, but it's. 141 00:07:57,194 --> 00:07:59,234 Speaker 1: I know what you mean. I think Margot Robbie was 142 00:07:59,274 --> 00:08:02,674 Speaker 1: a really good reference because it's that little bit of 143 00:08:02,794 --> 00:08:05,594 Speaker 1: warmth without being yellow or orange. 144 00:08:06,114 --> 00:08:06,514 Speaker 2: Correct. 145 00:08:07,314 --> 00:08:11,474 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have a hairstyle or color and memory 146 00:08:11,554 --> 00:08:14,034 Speaker 1: yourself that you can think back on and go, oh 147 00:08:14,154 --> 00:08:15,713 Speaker 1: my goodness, I can't believe it did. 148 00:08:15,594 --> 00:08:19,074 Speaker 2: That, as in on myself or I. 149 00:08:19,034 --> 00:08:22,234 Speaker 1: Want to know both a client and on yourself. 150 00:08:22,674 --> 00:08:26,393 Speaker 3: Well, I remember when I was first starting out my 151 00:08:26,474 --> 00:08:31,473 Speaker 3: hairdressing journey, and it's slowly half coming back at the 152 00:08:31,514 --> 00:08:35,713 Speaker 3: moment what everyone had was like dark brown and then 153 00:08:35,834 --> 00:08:38,473 Speaker 3: like chunks of blonde, so it. 154 00:08:38,434 --> 00:08:40,794 Speaker 2: Would be probably on the whole head. 155 00:08:40,754 --> 00:08:46,074 Speaker 3: Because now everything's about microwaves and like soft blended, mused 156 00:08:46,154 --> 00:08:48,594 Speaker 3: colors and that sort of thing where this was like 157 00:08:48,874 --> 00:08:51,914 Speaker 3: you would get like a slab like this big of 158 00:08:52,074 --> 00:08:55,234 Speaker 3: just white and then everything else would be nearly black 159 00:08:55,314 --> 00:08:58,394 Speaker 3: and you just have chunks of color going through and 160 00:08:58,474 --> 00:09:02,314 Speaker 3: like half a blonde fringe and like oh yeah, And 161 00:09:02,354 --> 00:09:04,154 Speaker 3: it was the same for guys and girls. It was 162 00:09:04,194 --> 00:09:09,114 Speaker 3: like slabs of blonde with almost black ruler. And it's 163 00:09:09,154 --> 00:09:11,834 Speaker 3: been coming back, not to the degree that it was, 164 00:09:12,354 --> 00:09:15,434 Speaker 3: but I've seen these trends coming back at the moment 165 00:09:15,554 --> 00:09:15,953 Speaker 3: and so. 166 00:09:16,514 --> 00:09:18,354 Speaker 1: Well, like I used to call it the top deck 167 00:09:18,434 --> 00:09:22,434 Speaker 1: where they'd die like the bottom of their hair really 168 00:09:22,514 --> 00:09:24,634 Speaker 1: dark brown or black, and then the top would be 169 00:09:25,314 --> 00:09:26,994 Speaker 1: icy blonde. 170 00:09:27,754 --> 00:09:28,434 Speaker 2: Oh god. 171 00:09:28,914 --> 00:09:31,394 Speaker 3: And there was even that stage where people would do 172 00:09:31,554 --> 00:09:34,474 Speaker 3: like the bottom Oh okay, now I've got it, I've 173 00:09:34,514 --> 00:09:38,874 Speaker 3: got it. I remember everything would be like dark red 174 00:09:39,354 --> 00:09:42,914 Speaker 3: that's really sort of intense with yellow highlights. 175 00:09:43,914 --> 00:09:49,114 Speaker 2: Yuck yu yuk. But it was hot for a thing 176 00:09:49,274 --> 00:09:53,594 Speaker 2: in like I never thought it was. Oh god, what 177 00:09:53,674 --> 00:09:54,593 Speaker 2: about the little. 178 00:09:54,434 --> 00:09:59,034 Speaker 1: The tips, like the frosted tips, the frosted tips with 179 00:09:59,114 --> 00:10:02,114 Speaker 1: the spiky hair, so much hair Joe with just the 180 00:10:02,194 --> 00:10:03,394 Speaker 1: frosting at the end. 181 00:10:03,874 --> 00:10:05,034 Speaker 2: God, well, we used to do it. 182 00:10:05,034 --> 00:10:08,074 Speaker 3: It was like when everyone had loved and sinc Oh yeah, 183 00:10:08,754 --> 00:10:11,674 Speaker 3: my hairdressing journey. But everyone had those like Nsync sort 184 00:10:11,714 --> 00:10:14,074 Speaker 3: of look you know, with the frosted tips. 185 00:10:14,794 --> 00:10:17,234 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well, after the break, we're going to 186 00:10:17,274 --> 00:10:21,354 Speaker 1: tap into Matt's decades of hair expertise and uncovering the 187 00:10:21,394 --> 00:10:24,953 Speaker 1: hair truths we're all dying to know. I'm talking how 188 00:10:24,994 --> 00:10:27,514 Speaker 1: to achieve that just stepped out of the salon, hair 189 00:10:27,554 --> 00:10:30,514 Speaker 1: at home advice around going gray and if those pricey 190 00:10:30,554 --> 00:10:33,514 Speaker 1: hair products are actually worth it. Plus, Matt's going to 191 00:10:33,594 --> 00:10:36,954 Speaker 1: reveal the actual products he uses in his own hair 192 00:10:37,074 --> 00:10:45,314 Speaker 1: and his clients. Now, Matt, some of the Mama MEA 193 00:10:45,394 --> 00:10:49,874 Speaker 1: team want to know, are the bougie shampoosing conditioners actually 194 00:10:49,914 --> 00:10:53,874 Speaker 1: worth the investment? What is the difference between them and 195 00:10:54,354 --> 00:10:56,194 Speaker 1: anything that you'd pick up at the supermarket. 196 00:10:56,674 --> 00:11:00,994 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, great question. We get this one all the time. 197 00:11:01,794 --> 00:11:05,474 Speaker 3: So that like the pinnacle, pinnacle of all hairdressing is 198 00:11:05,754 --> 00:11:12,474 Speaker 3: Keristas is the world's premium product. It has decades and 199 00:11:12,554 --> 00:11:17,514 Speaker 3: decades of science and expertise. But you're paying probably for 200 00:11:17,554 --> 00:11:21,314 Speaker 3: a shampoo, about sixty five dollars, for a conditioner up 201 00:11:21,314 --> 00:11:24,754 Speaker 3: to one hundred and ten dollars, Then a famill leaving 202 00:11:24,794 --> 00:11:28,034 Speaker 3: product you're looking for about eighty dollars, and then you 203 00:11:28,074 --> 00:11:30,394 Speaker 3: know an oil or that sort of thing probably a 204 00:11:30,434 --> 00:11:33,314 Speaker 3: similar sort of price. So it's a big investment. But 205 00:11:33,394 --> 00:11:38,154 Speaker 3: what you're paying for is you have scientists working in 206 00:11:38,234 --> 00:11:42,874 Speaker 3: Paris around the clock with decades of you know, knowledge, 207 00:11:43,154 --> 00:11:47,074 Speaker 3: but also they've got the budgets to do the research 208 00:11:47,194 --> 00:11:49,514 Speaker 3: and put in the ingredients and that sort of stuff 209 00:11:49,514 --> 00:11:52,394 Speaker 3: which will have hyaluronic acid or to have stuff to 210 00:11:52,554 --> 00:11:56,474 Speaker 3: strengthen and they will have the money to spend on 211 00:11:56,554 --> 00:12:01,714 Speaker 3: the science, to invest into finding new technologies and that 212 00:12:01,834 --> 00:12:04,674 Speaker 3: sort of stuff to strengthen their head to anchor it. 213 00:12:04,634 --> 00:12:05,434 Speaker 2: Into the scalp. 214 00:12:05,594 --> 00:12:11,314 Speaker 3: So the quality of the product is so so important. 215 00:12:11,834 --> 00:12:12,794 Speaker 2: It's imperative. 216 00:12:12,794 --> 00:12:15,114 Speaker 3: If you're going to a sound and spending a couple 217 00:12:15,154 --> 00:12:17,354 Speaker 3: of hundred bucks getting your hair colored and that sort 218 00:12:17,394 --> 00:12:20,834 Speaker 3: of thing, and you go into your supermarket shampoo, it's 219 00:12:20,954 --> 00:12:24,914 Speaker 3: just it's ridiculous. You need to be investing in good shampoo. 220 00:12:25,274 --> 00:12:28,274 Speaker 3: Depends on, you know, what you're after. If your hair 221 00:12:28,394 --> 00:12:30,754 Speaker 3: is fine, you need protein. If your hair is dry, 222 00:12:31,114 --> 00:12:34,274 Speaker 3: you need moisture. If it's fine but dry, you need 223 00:12:34,354 --> 00:12:37,954 Speaker 3: more protein, less moisture. You know, there's so many different things, 224 00:12:38,434 --> 00:12:41,114 Speaker 3: but you know you need to be nourishing your scalp, 225 00:12:41,394 --> 00:12:43,354 Speaker 3: the scalp health and that sort of thing, because that's 226 00:12:43,394 --> 00:12:47,354 Speaker 3: where the hair is growing out from hydration. Cleansing. You 227 00:12:47,354 --> 00:12:50,754 Speaker 3: need the thermal protection, those sort of things. Like good 228 00:12:50,834 --> 00:12:55,354 Speaker 3: product is imperative when you're wanting to, you know, to 229 00:12:55,394 --> 00:12:56,274 Speaker 3: look after your hair. 230 00:12:57,114 --> 00:13:00,354 Speaker 1: I like to always use like a cooking analogy that 231 00:13:01,154 --> 00:13:04,194 Speaker 1: you can follow a recipe for a really nice cake, 232 00:13:04,274 --> 00:13:07,754 Speaker 1: but if you're using a really gross flour versus a 233 00:13:07,794 --> 00:13:10,234 Speaker 1: primo flower, like, they're going to taste a little bit different. 234 00:13:10,514 --> 00:13:12,914 Speaker 3: If your hair is something that is important to you, 235 00:13:12,914 --> 00:13:14,434 Speaker 3: you need to be using good products. 236 00:13:14,634 --> 00:13:19,394 Speaker 1: That makes sense. So for time poor listeners who might 237 00:13:19,434 --> 00:13:22,314 Speaker 1: not have the luxury of spinning heaps of time on 238 00:13:22,354 --> 00:13:26,434 Speaker 1: their hair, what's one hairstyling trick product or styling tool 239 00:13:26,594 --> 00:13:27,754 Speaker 1: that they should invest in. 240 00:13:28,154 --> 00:13:31,874 Speaker 3: Look, I would probably say a really good hair dryer. 241 00:13:32,674 --> 00:13:36,674 Speaker 3: That for me is key because a lot of people 242 00:13:36,754 --> 00:13:40,194 Speaker 3: go they buy their hair dryer from like a department 243 00:13:40,274 --> 00:13:43,834 Speaker 3: store where those hair dryers are designed to blow hot air. 244 00:13:43,874 --> 00:13:46,994 Speaker 3: They're not a professional product, they're not a professional tool. 245 00:13:47,514 --> 00:13:50,953 Speaker 3: So we will use in the sounds. It's a JRL 246 00:13:51,314 --> 00:13:55,634 Speaker 3: hair dryer, which is ultrasonic, super small, really lightweight, compact, 247 00:13:56,114 --> 00:14:00,474 Speaker 3: really long cord. The thing is it's the quality of 248 00:14:01,394 --> 00:14:04,114 Speaker 3: the speed and the way that it's designed and the 249 00:14:04,154 --> 00:14:06,754 Speaker 3: nozzle and that sort of thing. And so if you. 250 00:14:06,754 --> 00:14:10,234 Speaker 2: Blow your hair really well, you'll get a week out 251 00:14:10,274 --> 00:14:10,514 Speaker 2: of it. 252 00:14:10,594 --> 00:14:13,833 Speaker 3: And so like when I'm blow drying people's hair, even 253 00:14:13,914 --> 00:14:16,074 Speaker 3: if I'm just drying it off, they're like, oh, you 254 00:14:16,154 --> 00:14:17,154 Speaker 3: drive for so much. 255 00:14:16,994 --> 00:14:18,074 Speaker 2: Longer than what I do. 256 00:14:18,274 --> 00:14:21,994 Speaker 3: And the key for that is like inside the hair shaft, 257 00:14:22,314 --> 00:14:24,634 Speaker 3: you've got the center, you've got the cortex, and then 258 00:14:24,674 --> 00:14:26,794 Speaker 3: you've got that outside which wheel. 259 00:14:26,794 --> 00:14:29,114 Speaker 2: You know, which you feel, which is a cutical scale. 260 00:14:29,554 --> 00:14:32,634 Speaker 3: And so if you just blast it dry, the cutical 261 00:14:32,674 --> 00:14:36,434 Speaker 3: scale is dry, but the internal cortex is still saturated, 262 00:14:36,634 --> 00:14:39,314 Speaker 3: so that moisture will go from the cortex out to 263 00:14:39,354 --> 00:14:41,954 Speaker 3: the outside of the hair, and you blow dry will 264 00:14:41,994 --> 00:14:45,154 Speaker 3: just become it will collapse and become frizzy and that 265 00:14:45,274 --> 00:14:45,794 Speaker 3: sort of thing. 266 00:14:46,074 --> 00:14:47,394 Speaker 2: So I believe if you. 267 00:14:47,394 --> 00:14:49,714 Speaker 3: Have a good blow dryer and you blow dry your 268 00:14:49,714 --> 00:14:51,874 Speaker 3: hair well, or you put rollers in and use a 269 00:14:51,914 --> 00:14:55,794 Speaker 3: good hair dryer, for me, that's the that's the key 270 00:14:55,834 --> 00:14:57,754 Speaker 3: to it, not just having something that will just like 271 00:14:58,234 --> 00:15:00,114 Speaker 3: blast your hair a little bit and blow a bit 272 00:15:00,154 --> 00:15:02,674 Speaker 3: of hot air. Invest in a really good hair dryer. 273 00:15:02,874 --> 00:15:05,674 Speaker 1: It's so true, Like when I get my hair blow dried, 274 00:15:06,114 --> 00:15:09,554 Speaker 1: like after my head has finished coloring it and whatnot. Yeah, 275 00:15:09,554 --> 00:15:13,914 Speaker 1: she'll do the blowdown and then section by section she 276 00:15:14,074 --> 00:15:16,394 Speaker 1: will like just go through it that many times, and 277 00:15:16,434 --> 00:15:19,194 Speaker 1: it is so much longer than I would ever spend 278 00:15:19,274 --> 00:15:21,954 Speaker 1: at home because she's really taking the time to make 279 00:15:21,994 --> 00:15:24,834 Speaker 1: sure the entire shaft is dry. 280 00:15:25,194 --> 00:15:26,634 Speaker 2: You've got to have a dry shaft. 281 00:15:26,754 --> 00:15:29,314 Speaker 1: You must have a dry shaft. When it comes to 282 00:15:29,354 --> 00:15:32,154 Speaker 1: gray hair, there are people that fully embrace it, and 283 00:15:32,194 --> 00:15:35,194 Speaker 1: then there are people that prefer to not be gray. 284 00:15:35,554 --> 00:15:38,394 Speaker 1: So I think that both can look equally fabulous. Do 285 00:15:38,434 --> 00:15:40,274 Speaker 1: you have any tips for people going gray? 286 00:15:40,594 --> 00:15:40,914 Speaker 2: Yeah? 287 00:15:40,954 --> 00:15:44,914 Speaker 3: Absolutely, So this is a huge thing that we're doing 288 00:15:44,954 --> 00:15:47,914 Speaker 3: in the sound at the moment. But the first thing 289 00:15:48,234 --> 00:15:51,234 Speaker 3: is my tip and bit of advice for anyone that's 290 00:15:51,274 --> 00:15:54,874 Speaker 3: wanting to do it is be mentally ready. 291 00:15:54,994 --> 00:15:57,834 Speaker 2: Yeah. And so you know, I'll have clients. 292 00:15:57,474 --> 00:15:59,794 Speaker 3: That are in their forties that are going gray that go, 293 00:15:59,914 --> 00:16:03,234 Speaker 3: I want to go natural and embrace the gray. I'm like, yep, 294 00:16:03,274 --> 00:16:06,034 Speaker 3: they got clients to do it in their fifties. Yep, awesome, 295 00:16:06,554 --> 00:16:11,154 Speaker 3: because all to it like it's empowering, it's gray. But 296 00:16:11,874 --> 00:16:15,154 Speaker 3: that's one side of things. I always just told people 297 00:16:16,074 --> 00:16:19,274 Speaker 3: be ready because you'll be entering a different stage of 298 00:16:19,274 --> 00:16:22,914 Speaker 3: your life, right, that's it's it is because you have 299 00:16:22,994 --> 00:16:26,834 Speaker 3: gray hair. Second thing is it's a process. So if 300 00:16:26,874 --> 00:16:32,594 Speaker 3: you are gray and blonde, it's much easier to become 301 00:16:33,594 --> 00:16:36,394 Speaker 3: more gray or like to let it grow out naturally, 302 00:16:36,594 --> 00:16:39,674 Speaker 3: so it's not like such a huge demarcation line as 303 00:16:39,674 --> 00:16:43,194 Speaker 3: it grows out. If you are like brown or chocolate 304 00:16:43,274 --> 00:16:46,874 Speaker 3: or more solid or a solid color, someone's been tinting 305 00:16:46,914 --> 00:16:51,194 Speaker 3: their hair for decades, what will happen is you've got 306 00:16:51,194 --> 00:16:53,754 Speaker 3: that line, and so you can't just go from that 307 00:16:53,914 --> 00:16:56,874 Speaker 3: to gray in one day, because what happens is if 308 00:16:56,914 --> 00:17:00,434 Speaker 3: you're brown and you start to lift it, it goes 309 00:17:00,474 --> 00:17:04,793 Speaker 3: from brown to red brown to red to red orange 310 00:17:05,194 --> 00:17:09,114 Speaker 3: to orange to yellow to power yellow. And so when 311 00:17:09,114 --> 00:17:11,474 Speaker 3: you get it to power yellow, you've even got to 312 00:17:11,474 --> 00:17:14,354 Speaker 3: push it to get it to white, to then tone 313 00:17:14,394 --> 00:17:15,634 Speaker 3: it back to be gray. 314 00:17:16,154 --> 00:17:18,314 Speaker 2: So it's pushing their hair through a lot. 315 00:17:18,994 --> 00:17:21,434 Speaker 3: And if you did that to every single hair shaft 316 00:17:21,874 --> 00:17:24,434 Speaker 3: in one day, you're asking for trouble. 317 00:17:24,554 --> 00:17:25,793 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they wouldn't be happy. 318 00:17:26,034 --> 00:17:27,354 Speaker 2: It wouldn't be happy. 319 00:17:27,474 --> 00:17:31,434 Speaker 3: And so I think people who want to do it 320 00:17:31,834 --> 00:17:35,314 Speaker 3: need to understand it will take a few times. 321 00:17:35,514 --> 00:17:39,754 Speaker 2: If they want their hair with the integrity of the condition. 322 00:17:40,514 --> 00:17:43,354 Speaker 3: Need to be patient, trust your hairdress, to trust the journey, 323 00:17:43,834 --> 00:17:47,634 Speaker 3: and you'll probably be two to three sessions to get 324 00:17:47,634 --> 00:17:50,914 Speaker 3: it to be gray rather than just hitting. 325 00:17:50,754 --> 00:17:51,594 Speaker 2: It in one day. 326 00:17:51,834 --> 00:17:52,754 Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. 327 00:17:53,154 --> 00:17:55,794 Speaker 3: And then touching back on it with the home care, 328 00:17:56,114 --> 00:18:01,354 Speaker 3: so having a nourishing shampoo, the purple violet shampoo or conditioner, 329 00:18:01,514 --> 00:18:05,034 Speaker 3: having a really rich treatment, a leave in product, and 330 00:18:05,314 --> 00:18:07,034 Speaker 3: famal protective products. 331 00:18:07,194 --> 00:18:09,034 Speaker 2: Well, so it'll. 332 00:18:08,714 --> 00:18:12,314 Speaker 3: Be like, you know, a bit of a journey and 333 00:18:12,474 --> 00:18:15,154 Speaker 3: a bit of a financial outlay. But you know, I'm 334 00:18:15,234 --> 00:18:17,474 Speaker 3: all about it, Like if people want to go gray, 335 00:18:18,074 --> 00:18:18,714 Speaker 3: let's do it. 336 00:18:18,954 --> 00:18:22,154 Speaker 1: Yeah, good on them. And also once they're gray, then 337 00:18:22,674 --> 00:18:26,994 Speaker 1: that's it, Like no more spending a millionaires under the foils. 338 00:18:27,274 --> 00:18:30,674 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and that's the people are time for these exactly. 339 00:18:30,954 --> 00:18:35,834 Speaker 1: Yeah, and looking for more affordable options with the importance 340 00:18:35,994 --> 00:18:40,274 Speaker 1: of using the right product when you are making that change. 341 00:18:40,674 --> 00:18:42,714 Speaker 1: You know, the transition to gray hair is it because 342 00:18:42,714 --> 00:18:43,834 Speaker 1: the texture changes. 343 00:18:44,314 --> 00:18:47,314 Speaker 3: There's lots of different things. So when your hair goes gray, 344 00:18:48,434 --> 00:18:52,714 Speaker 3: the texture can come more resistant, more tenacious. It's very 345 00:18:52,834 --> 00:18:57,513 Speaker 3: rare that it goes softer, yes, more course, so I 346 00:18:57,554 --> 00:19:01,674 Speaker 3: would definitely suggest you need something that will be smoothing. 347 00:19:02,034 --> 00:19:05,554 Speaker 2: Not hydrating. Yes, okay, right, need hydration. 348 00:19:05,874 --> 00:19:10,314 Speaker 3: The texture will need because it's a bit more tenacious. Yeah, 349 00:19:10,594 --> 00:19:14,994 Speaker 3: but if you are going lighter from darker, then you 350 00:19:15,034 --> 00:19:17,554 Speaker 3: will need the hydration, if that makes sense, because the 351 00:19:17,594 --> 00:19:21,794 Speaker 3: hair will be dry rather than being texted. 352 00:19:22,074 --> 00:19:23,514 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, that makes sense. 353 00:19:23,714 --> 00:19:27,114 Speaker 3: If you bought hydration over textured hair, it's going to 354 00:19:27,154 --> 00:19:29,754 Speaker 3: collapse it where it needs to be smoothed. 355 00:19:30,394 --> 00:19:33,994 Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. Every time, I'm sure that I 356 00:19:33,994 --> 00:19:36,674 Speaker 1: can speak for everyone when I say this question, but 357 00:19:36,834 --> 00:19:41,114 Speaker 1: every time my hairdresser washes my hair, she makes it 358 00:19:41,194 --> 00:19:45,313 Speaker 1: feel more washed than I ever could possibly do myself 359 00:19:45,354 --> 00:19:48,033 Speaker 1: at home. I just don't know how to even explain 360 00:19:48,154 --> 00:19:51,954 Speaker 1: just how clean it is without that awful squeakiness. Yeah, 361 00:19:52,034 --> 00:19:54,114 Speaker 1: what are your tips? How can we do that so 362 00:19:54,194 --> 00:19:57,874 Speaker 1: we can have really fresh hair for longer? Because when 363 00:19:57,874 --> 00:20:00,594 Speaker 1: I washed my at home, I swear I washed mayl 364 00:20:00,674 --> 00:20:02,954 Speaker 1: last night, I still had to wake up and put 365 00:20:03,034 --> 00:20:05,754 Speaker 1: dry shampooon because I was like, ugh, just looked a 366 00:20:05,754 --> 00:20:08,594 Speaker 1: bit limp and in some sections. 367 00:20:08,954 --> 00:20:12,474 Speaker 3: So it very much depends on So there's so many 368 00:20:12,594 --> 00:20:16,234 Speaker 3: varying factors. But when you're in the salon, like we 369 00:20:16,274 --> 00:20:18,754 Speaker 3: will give out a good scrub. When you're at home 370 00:20:19,314 --> 00:20:22,474 Speaker 3: time efficient and like time poor and you're just going 371 00:20:22,514 --> 00:20:26,434 Speaker 3: through the motions. But for us, like this is what 372 00:20:26,474 --> 00:20:29,514 Speaker 3: we do all day every day. So first of all, 373 00:20:29,554 --> 00:20:30,833 Speaker 3: like if you can do it as good as us, 374 00:20:30,874 --> 00:20:31,274 Speaker 3: we'd be. 375 00:20:31,194 --> 00:20:31,754 Speaker 2: Out of a job. 376 00:20:31,914 --> 00:20:35,874 Speaker 3: Yeah right, But you know, we give a really good 377 00:20:35,874 --> 00:20:37,034 Speaker 3: scrub with the shampoo. 378 00:20:37,074 --> 00:20:39,034 Speaker 2: We rinse it really well. 379 00:20:39,074 --> 00:20:42,634 Speaker 3: Another thing is for those of you conditioning at home, 380 00:20:42,994 --> 00:20:45,593 Speaker 3: I would most of the time not condition the scalp. 381 00:20:45,714 --> 00:20:48,434 Speaker 3: I would just run the conditioner through the midlengths down. 382 00:20:49,074 --> 00:20:51,434 Speaker 3: But when people are in the shower at home, they're 383 00:20:51,474 --> 00:20:53,834 Speaker 3: generally under the water, you know, break it up a 384 00:20:53,874 --> 00:20:57,714 Speaker 3: little bit and then they're out right. Whereas you really 385 00:20:57,754 --> 00:21:00,954 Speaker 3: with conditioner, you need really need to rinse it out 386 00:21:00,954 --> 00:21:04,154 Speaker 3: fully and break and separate, like break apart the hair, 387 00:21:04,594 --> 00:21:06,674 Speaker 3: separate it and that sort of thing, so that way 388 00:21:06,714 --> 00:21:09,394 Speaker 3: you can get water to rinse all the product out 389 00:21:09,714 --> 00:21:14,554 Speaker 3: like efficiently and effectively. So I believe if you shampoo 390 00:21:14,634 --> 00:21:17,394 Speaker 3: really well, like if your hair ladders up on the 391 00:21:17,434 --> 00:21:22,874 Speaker 3: first shampoo, you don't need to do a second. Yeah, 392 00:21:23,034 --> 00:21:26,554 Speaker 3: if it ladders up, it's clean. If it doesn't lather 393 00:21:26,674 --> 00:21:30,074 Speaker 3: up the first shampoo, give it another shampoo and then 394 00:21:30,234 --> 00:21:31,474 Speaker 3: that'll be good as gold. 395 00:21:31,994 --> 00:21:34,874 Speaker 1: Okay, that was such a good tip. What about an 396 00:21:34,874 --> 00:21:38,073 Speaker 1: at home blowout because same thing. Yes, we're never going 397 00:21:38,114 --> 00:21:40,194 Speaker 1: to do it as well as a hairdresser, but it 398 00:21:40,234 --> 00:21:43,194 Speaker 1: would nice to even be able to do it half 399 00:21:43,234 --> 00:21:45,353 Speaker 1: as good. Do you have any tips for that? 400 00:21:45,754 --> 00:21:48,274 Speaker 3: Rollers are really good, So if you get la pair 401 00:21:48,474 --> 00:21:51,834 Speaker 3: like some velcrows, you can just everyone's hair type is 402 00:21:51,914 --> 00:21:54,914 Speaker 3: very different, mind you, but just saying this, you could 403 00:21:54,914 --> 00:21:57,513 Speaker 3: blast your hair off with a hair dryer with a 404 00:21:57,514 --> 00:22:00,714 Speaker 3: bit of thermal protective product, put your rollers and even 405 00:22:00,794 --> 00:22:03,194 Speaker 3: just through the top section and you could use rollers 406 00:22:03,234 --> 00:22:06,994 Speaker 3: like about that big and you know, put them in 407 00:22:07,274 --> 00:22:10,154 Speaker 3: and then give that a good bit of heat. The 408 00:22:10,274 --> 00:22:12,914 Speaker 3: key thing is when you heat your hair up, you 409 00:22:12,994 --> 00:22:16,114 Speaker 3: need to let it cool down. So it's hot and 410 00:22:16,154 --> 00:22:18,034 Speaker 3: it's still in the role you take it out, it's 411 00:22:18,034 --> 00:22:20,954 Speaker 3: going to collapse. But if you put your rollers in, 412 00:22:21,314 --> 00:22:23,634 Speaker 3: heat it up, and then walk around and do that 413 00:22:23,674 --> 00:22:27,994 Speaker 3: and let it cool down, that is when it will set. 414 00:22:28,074 --> 00:22:31,073 Speaker 3: So I have so much more longevity tool. Or if 415 00:22:31,074 --> 00:22:33,354 Speaker 3: your hair is dry like quickly, just put a few 416 00:22:33,354 --> 00:22:34,994 Speaker 3: waves in it with a wand and then chuck it 417 00:22:35,034 --> 00:22:37,513 Speaker 3: a roller in there, because if you give it the 418 00:22:37,554 --> 00:22:39,874 Speaker 3: time to set, rollers are fantastic. 419 00:22:39,914 --> 00:22:41,474 Speaker 2: And if you've got shorter hair. 420 00:22:41,354 --> 00:22:44,114 Speaker 3: Like your hair's not like Rapunzel down like you know, 421 00:22:44,194 --> 00:22:49,194 Speaker 3: to your waist, an old school lot of heated. 422 00:22:48,914 --> 00:22:50,954 Speaker 1: Rollers, Oh my goodness, they're so good. 423 00:22:51,554 --> 00:22:53,274 Speaker 2: They're so good. 424 00:22:53,674 --> 00:22:58,154 Speaker 3: My mom uses her set of hotties and whenever we 425 00:22:58,194 --> 00:23:00,874 Speaker 3: go out anywhere, young girls will come up to her 426 00:23:00,954 --> 00:23:03,434 Speaker 3: and say, how do you do your hair right? And 427 00:23:03,474 --> 00:23:06,114 Speaker 3: she's just got like an old school set of hot 428 00:23:06,194 --> 00:23:09,154 Speaker 3: rollers from the a. So if you see a set 429 00:23:09,194 --> 00:23:10,914 Speaker 3: of hot rollers while you're out, thrifty. 430 00:23:11,194 --> 00:23:14,273 Speaker 1: They also don't make them the way that they used to. 431 00:23:14,354 --> 00:23:18,273 Speaker 1: It's that whole thing now of they make things really well, 432 00:23:18,314 --> 00:23:20,513 Speaker 1: but then they're designed to get a bit shit so 433 00:23:20,554 --> 00:23:22,714 Speaker 1: that we have to purchase something new, whereas back in 434 00:23:22,714 --> 00:23:24,554 Speaker 1: the day the teams weren't as clever, so they didn't 435 00:23:24,594 --> 00:23:26,033 Speaker 1: think of that and they were like, no, we're just 436 00:23:26,034 --> 00:23:28,594 Speaker 1: going to make something forever that last forever. 437 00:23:28,434 --> 00:23:31,474 Speaker 2: Last forever. And so the old school hotties they're great. 438 00:23:31,754 --> 00:23:33,994 Speaker 1: I've got summer home and they're my mum's from the 439 00:23:34,034 --> 00:23:35,434 Speaker 1: eighties and they're so good. 440 00:23:36,194 --> 00:23:36,634 Speaker 2: Nice. 441 00:23:36,874 --> 00:23:39,594 Speaker 1: When we come back, Matt is revealing his holy Grail 442 00:23:39,714 --> 00:23:43,714 Speaker 1: hair product or styling tool, his ride or dies, Plus 443 00:23:43,754 --> 00:23:47,194 Speaker 1: he's revealing his personal hair routine and the exact products 444 00:23:47,194 --> 00:23:55,034 Speaker 1: he swears by it. So, Matt, what is your holy 445 00:23:55,154 --> 00:23:58,314 Speaker 1: Grail hair product that you absolutely can't live without? 446 00:23:58,474 --> 00:24:00,714 Speaker 3: My Holy Grail hair product that I can't live without 447 00:24:01,634 --> 00:24:04,314 Speaker 3: is definitely like for my clients, will be the food 448 00:24:04,354 --> 00:24:10,954 Speaker 3: for soft oil and so super lightweight, extremely hydrating, but 449 00:24:11,114 --> 00:24:13,594 Speaker 3: it's got two hundred and thirty degrees of heat protection. 450 00:24:14,074 --> 00:24:15,994 Speaker 2: So there's not. 451 00:24:15,994 --> 00:24:19,594 Speaker 3: Many oils that you can get that will do all 452 00:24:19,634 --> 00:24:21,834 Speaker 3: of that. And so if you put it in wet, 453 00:24:21,914 --> 00:24:24,474 Speaker 3: it'll penetrate into the hair and give it the hydration. 454 00:24:25,114 --> 00:24:27,354 Speaker 3: If you put it on dry, it'll go over the 455 00:24:27,434 --> 00:24:30,234 Speaker 3: surface and polish it over. And so if you're just 456 00:24:30,234 --> 00:24:32,314 Speaker 3: wanting to run the irons over it on day two 457 00:24:32,474 --> 00:24:35,314 Speaker 3: or day three, a little bit of oil straight through 458 00:24:35,354 --> 00:24:37,474 Speaker 3: the ends, Yeah, then you can run your eroins over 459 00:24:37,514 --> 00:24:38,594 Speaker 3: it and have thermal protection. 460 00:24:39,114 --> 00:24:41,154 Speaker 1: Do you spend a lot of time on your hair? 461 00:24:41,674 --> 00:24:43,114 Speaker 2: No? Not these days. 462 00:24:43,154 --> 00:24:46,994 Speaker 3: Well, Rob and I after doing the block, we became 463 00:24:47,354 --> 00:24:51,114 Speaker 3: ambassadors for the Leukemia Foundation, and so recently I did 464 00:24:51,114 --> 00:24:54,074 Speaker 3: the World's Greatest Shave, and so like I've shaved my 465 00:24:54,114 --> 00:24:56,594 Speaker 3: head for the Leikemia Foundation. 466 00:24:57,154 --> 00:24:57,914 Speaker 1: That's awesome. 467 00:24:58,514 --> 00:25:00,274 Speaker 2: While I was on the show, I had my white 468 00:25:00,314 --> 00:25:01,434 Speaker 2: blonde Mala and. 469 00:25:02,154 --> 00:25:06,994 Speaker 3: Absolutely loved it. But in regard to now, like it's shorts, 470 00:25:07,114 --> 00:25:09,514 Speaker 3: I don't really need to do. Yeah, the only thing 471 00:25:09,514 --> 00:25:15,234 Speaker 3: I use is I have my own range of products 472 00:25:15,234 --> 00:25:17,754 Speaker 3: and that sort of stuff that I get made in NUSA. 473 00:25:18,074 --> 00:25:19,634 Speaker 3: So you've got a sea spray that I put in 474 00:25:19,674 --> 00:25:21,194 Speaker 3: just to give it like a little bit of texture. 475 00:25:22,114 --> 00:25:26,434 Speaker 3: And I also used the Kerastar's violet conditioner just as 476 00:25:26,474 --> 00:25:28,394 Speaker 3: like a tiny because while it's short like this, I 477 00:25:28,394 --> 00:25:31,034 Speaker 3: don't worry about doing much of it. But I was 478 00:25:31,074 --> 00:25:33,834 Speaker 3: put in the purple conditioner and it just keeps it 479 00:25:33,914 --> 00:25:34,554 Speaker 3: nice and bright. 480 00:25:34,634 --> 00:25:37,634 Speaker 1: And yeah, oh cool. I Actually I need to try 481 00:25:37,634 --> 00:25:37,994 Speaker 1: that one. 482 00:25:38,034 --> 00:25:39,354 Speaker 2: Then it's very good. 483 00:25:39,874 --> 00:25:41,914 Speaker 1: Yeah. And same with your beard. Do you do any 484 00:25:41,954 --> 00:25:44,754 Speaker 1: because you've got a beautiful full beard. Did you shave 485 00:25:44,834 --> 00:25:46,594 Speaker 1: that off when you did the Great shave? 486 00:25:47,074 --> 00:25:50,754 Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely not. I would look like I'd looked like 487 00:25:50,794 --> 00:25:51,514 Speaker 2: a toe. 488 00:25:52,274 --> 00:25:55,313 Speaker 1: It's like when my husband shaves his beard and I'm like, 489 00:25:55,474 --> 00:25:56,954 Speaker 1: who gave you permission to do that? 490 00:25:57,314 --> 00:25:59,394 Speaker 2: Oh? God? I don't know how. I don't know how 491 00:25:59,434 --> 00:26:00,914 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able to look at myself. 492 00:26:01,114 --> 00:26:02,394 Speaker 1: Yeah, once you're used to it. 493 00:26:02,474 --> 00:26:04,634 Speaker 2: No, not for me. I will be keeping the beard, 494 00:26:04,914 --> 00:26:07,834 Speaker 2: even I'm going to put into my life power of 495 00:26:07,874 --> 00:26:11,154 Speaker 2: attorney or whatever when I get old. Do not shave beard. 496 00:26:11,554 --> 00:26:11,914 Speaker 2: What I'm mean? 497 00:26:12,594 --> 00:26:15,273 Speaker 1: Yeah, even if I'm in the casket, do not shape it. 498 00:26:15,354 --> 00:26:17,914 Speaker 1: I want everyone's last to look at me with my 499 00:26:18,354 --> 00:26:24,234 Speaker 1: beautiful beard bed. Do you share a pooet using the 500 00:26:24,314 --> 00:26:25,954 Speaker 1: same products or just whatever? 501 00:26:26,514 --> 00:26:26,634 Speaker 2: No. 502 00:26:26,714 --> 00:26:29,834 Speaker 3: So I've got my own skincare line that again that 503 00:26:29,874 --> 00:26:33,273 Speaker 3: I yet manufactured up in NUSA, and so I just 504 00:26:33,474 --> 00:26:36,754 Speaker 3: use my facial cleanser on it. And so yeah, that's 505 00:26:36,794 --> 00:26:37,274 Speaker 3: what I do. 506 00:26:37,554 --> 00:26:39,874 Speaker 1: Add another talent to the list. 507 00:26:40,194 --> 00:26:41,234 Speaker 2: Another talent to the list. 508 00:26:41,274 --> 00:26:44,194 Speaker 3: I'm forty two and I look after my skin a lot, 509 00:26:44,234 --> 00:26:49,594 Speaker 3: and so I'm really hot on using good products hydration 510 00:26:49,994 --> 00:26:54,394 Speaker 3: and so you know, I cleanse every morning and every night. 511 00:26:54,994 --> 00:26:58,273 Speaker 3: I use a tiny to regulate the pH and close 512 00:26:58,274 --> 00:27:01,674 Speaker 3: all the pores. Are just a nice light I cream 513 00:27:01,994 --> 00:27:05,634 Speaker 3: and then just a balancing moisturizer on my skin because 514 00:27:05,634 --> 00:27:09,994 Speaker 3: I'm I'm generally prettily, so I don't need heaps of hydration. 515 00:27:10,234 --> 00:27:15,674 Speaker 3: I just need to keep it hydrated, Hit, And you've 516 00:27:15,714 --> 00:27:16,234 Speaker 3: been one. 517 00:27:16,114 --> 00:27:17,994 Speaker 1: Of the greatest discoveries. 518 00:27:17,434 --> 00:27:18,074 Speaker 2: Of all time. 519 00:27:18,594 --> 00:27:25,914 Speaker 1: Oh miss never again never. What is one hairstyle technique 520 00:27:25,994 --> 00:27:29,874 Speaker 1: treatmental product that you absolutely love and recommend to everyone? 521 00:27:30,354 --> 00:27:33,754 Speaker 1: And then on the flip side, what's a hairstyle technique 522 00:27:33,794 --> 00:27:36,273 Speaker 1: treatmental product that you think is like absolutely not worth it? 523 00:27:36,314 --> 00:27:39,834 Speaker 1: You know, something that you've seen on TikTok or something 524 00:27:39,874 --> 00:27:41,954 Speaker 1: that you hear people going on about that you're just like, oh, 525 00:27:41,954 --> 00:27:43,034 Speaker 1: my goodness, it's rubbish. 526 00:27:43,234 --> 00:27:47,354 Speaker 3: Yeah, my key thing, Hit is definitely invest in the 527 00:27:47,394 --> 00:27:50,553 Speaker 3: good product because you know, people say, oh, you know, 528 00:27:50,634 --> 00:27:53,474 Speaker 3: it's just the same as anything else, but honestly, it 529 00:27:53,514 --> 00:27:54,634 Speaker 3: makes such a difference. 530 00:27:54,674 --> 00:27:55,674 Speaker 2: And if you haven't had the. 531 00:27:55,634 --> 00:28:00,194 Speaker 3: Experience of having good quality salon products, especially like Mature 532 00:28:00,234 --> 00:28:03,034 Speaker 3: it's a Carastars or something like that, it's an absolute 533 00:28:03,194 --> 00:28:10,794 Speaker 3: game changer. My miss would probably be, Oh, I remember 534 00:28:10,794 --> 00:28:13,674 Speaker 3: seeing this hair tool that was sort of like a 535 00:28:13,714 --> 00:28:16,074 Speaker 3: mirror curl I think it was called, and you put 536 00:28:16,074 --> 00:28:17,954 Speaker 3: your hair into it and it sucks your hair up 537 00:28:17,994 --> 00:28:20,874 Speaker 3: and then it curls. I look at that and I reckon, 538 00:28:20,994 --> 00:28:24,634 Speaker 3: like I get PTSD and that's. 539 00:28:24,514 --> 00:28:25,434 Speaker 2: Just looking at it. 540 00:28:25,874 --> 00:28:30,513 Speaker 1: I have seen firsthand a friend's hair get actually stuck 541 00:28:30,554 --> 00:28:33,594 Speaker 1: in that, like I've got in there and then it 542 00:28:33,794 --> 00:28:36,834 Speaker 1: got stuck and we had to figure out how to 543 00:28:36,834 --> 00:28:39,794 Speaker 1: get it out without cutting it. So yeah, that's also 544 00:28:39,834 --> 00:28:41,914 Speaker 1: a little bit of a horror story in my mind. 545 00:28:42,274 --> 00:28:44,314 Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, I can imagine. 546 00:28:44,314 --> 00:28:46,314 Speaker 3: It's like somebody that you wouldn't even gift to someone 547 00:28:46,314 --> 00:28:46,954 Speaker 3: on Halloween. 548 00:28:47,674 --> 00:28:50,674 Speaker 1: Yeah, well unless you really hated them, unless you really 549 00:28:50,714 --> 00:28:54,034 Speaker 1: hate but even then you don't. I've got a present, 550 00:28:54,074 --> 00:28:55,954 Speaker 1: I've got a great gift. But then you don't because 551 00:28:55,994 --> 00:28:57,314 Speaker 1: you don't want Carmen to come back and bite you 552 00:28:57,394 --> 00:28:58,114 Speaker 1: on the ass. 553 00:28:57,874 --> 00:28:59,434 Speaker 2: Do you. Yeah. True. 554 00:28:59,954 --> 00:29:02,434 Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much, Matt. It's been an absolute 555 00:29:02,474 --> 00:29:06,874 Speaker 1: delight and we really appreciate you sharing so much knowledge 556 00:29:06,954 --> 00:29:09,154 Speaker 1: and so many great tips with our audience. 557 00:29:09,794 --> 00:29:12,794 Speaker 2: Oh my absolute pleasure. Thank you so much for having me. 558 00:29:13,354 --> 00:29:16,434 Speaker 1: Thank you. Well, that's it for today. Thank you so 559 00:29:16,514 --> 00:29:19,074 Speaker 1: much for listening to you beauty. Make sure you're following 560 00:29:19,114 --> 00:29:21,594 Speaker 1: us on Instagram and TikTok, and you can watch this 561 00:29:21,674 --> 00:29:24,994 Speaker 1: and more episodes on our amazing YouTube channel. Get over 562 00:29:24,994 --> 00:29:28,034 Speaker 1: there and subscribe for now. Thanks for joining me and 563 00:29:28,114 --> 00:29:43,314 Speaker 1: by Mamma Mia acknowledge. It's to the traditional owners of 564 00:29:43,354 --> 00:29:46,314 Speaker 1: the land. 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