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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mumma Mea podcast. Hey, I'm Taylor Strano.

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Speaker 1: This is Mumma MEA's twice daily news podcast, The Quickie.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever wondered how much does Karl Stefanovic know

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Speaker 1: about the Sydney two thousand Olympics? Or could Lea Sales

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Speaker 1: hold her own in pub trivia On The Simpsons, Gold

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Speaker 1: Logi winner Tom Gleigson is putting some of Telly's most

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Speaker 1: recognizable names through their paces in a special edition of

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Speaker 1: Hard Quiz Battle of the Networks. While we've got Tom today,

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Speaker 1: we'll also find out the secret sauce to the perfect roast. No,

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Speaker 1: not the one you're probably making for Chrissy, but I

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Speaker 1: do hope that I'm not on the roast menu. Before

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Speaker 1: we get there, here's Clare Murphy with the latest from

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Speaker 1: The Quickie newsroom for Monday, December eighth.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Taylor. Storms and damaging winds will keep fire danger

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Speaker 2: high across parts of Australia, with authorities calling for vigilance

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Speaker 2: after a weekend of significant low About sixty Bush and

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Speaker 2: grass fires were burning in New South Wales on Sunday,

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Speaker 2: following earlier heat wave conditions and out of control fire

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Speaker 2: in cool A Wong, not far from built up areas

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Speaker 2: on the Central coast, destroyed at least sixteen homes and

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Speaker 2: other four homes were lost at Balladilla on the mid

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Speaker 2: North Coast. Federal and state disaster assistance funding has now

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Speaker 2: been activated across the Central Coast, Mid Coast, Upper Hunter, Musselbrook,

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Speaker 2: Warrembungal and Dubbo. Meanwhile, in Tasmania, authorities have confirmed as

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Speaker 2: seven hundred hectare blaze at Dolphin Sands near Fraisinet National

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Speaker 2: Park on the state's east coast has now been contained.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen homes were destroyed and fourteen others sustained damage in

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Speaker 2: the fire sparked in the Seaside community on Thursday. The

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Speaker 2: social media ban for Australians under sixteen will kick in

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Speaker 2: on Wednesday, with the PM calling it a success while

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Speaker 2: also admitting it won't be perfect. Anthony Albernizi said the

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Speaker 2: ban was a success because it sparked conversations about social

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Speaker 2: media between parents and children. The change, Alberizi says, hasn't

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Speaker 2: come from the government, but from parents taking what is

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Speaker 2: a personal tragedy and channeling that into wanting no parents

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Speaker 2: to go through the heartbreak they've experienced. The comments reflect

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Speaker 2: meetings with parents, including Emma Mason, who lost her daughter Tilly,

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Speaker 2: the fifteen year old taking her own life after being

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Speaker 2: bullied online. The Prime Minister said the band's rollout won't

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Speaker 2: be perfect, comparing it to liquor laws, saying just like

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Speaker 2: the chances are last night someone under eighteen got a

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Speaker 2: drink in a pub. The band takes effect on Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: the deadline for social media platforms to restrict users aged

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Speaker 2: fifteen and under from accessing accounts. The law applies to

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Speaker 2: ten platforms, including Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat and x and

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Speaker 2: is aimed at protecting children from online harms. Thomas mirkl

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Speaker 2: says he doesn't want to die as strange from his daughter,

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Speaker 2: the Duchess of Sussex, after reports he had his leg

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Speaker 2: amputated following surgery in the Philippines. Thomas Mirkle said he

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Speaker 2: would like to meet Meghan's children, Prince Archie and Princess Lilabet,

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Speaker 2: and her husband, Prince Harry. It comes after Meghan has

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Speaker 2: said to have reached down to her father, who she's

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Speaker 2: been estranged from since her twenty eight eighteen wedding. When

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Speaker 2: he was caught staging paparazzi photos in the run up

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Speaker 2: Duchess confirmed that she'd reached out to her father, Michael

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Speaker 2: says he's yet to receive a message from her. Australian

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Speaker 2: Margo Robbie says she understands the backlash to her and

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Speaker 2: fellow Ozzie Jacob Elordi's casting in Emerald Fanell's Wuthering Heights.

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Speaker 2: The Barbie star is thirty five and blonde, while the

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Speaker 2: original Catherine Earnshaw in Emily Bronte's eighteen forty seven novel

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Speaker 2: was brunette and a teenager, leading to some criticism before

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Speaker 2: the movies even hit screens, Robbie telling British Fogue, I

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Speaker 2: get it. There's nothing else to go off at this

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Speaker 2: point until people see the movie. Eludie stars as Heathcliff,

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Speaker 2: who's dark skinned in Bronti's work. He's casting also raising eyebrows.

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Speaker 2: There's been a history of actors who've played the role

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Speaker 2: before him who also did not meet the description. Congratulations

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Speaker 2: are in order to the Australian women's rugby sevens team,

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Speaker 2: the Wallaroos beating New Zealand to take out the title

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Speaker 2: at the Cape Town Sevens in South Africa on the weekend.

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Speaker 2: And Ozzie Marathon runner Jessica Stenson, who came in fifth

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Speaker 2: at the race in Spain, breaking the Australian record, slicing

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Speaker 2: nine seconds off the previous holder's time at two hours,

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Speaker 2: twenty one minutes and twenty five seconds.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Claire.

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Speaker 3: Next, tele stars battle it out Hard It's part Quiz.

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Speaker 3: It's that time of year when, let's be real, most

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Speaker 1: But over at the ABC, they're gearing up for one

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Speaker 1: last big night of pure, unhinged chaos to wrap up

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Speaker 1: the year. The national broadcaster is rolling out a slate

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Speaker 1: of festive specials, and right in the middle of it

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Speaker 1: Hard Quiz. Only this time it's not regular people putting

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Speaker 1: their experts subject to the test, it's Television Royalty. Tom

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Speaker 1: Gleason is bag holding court while four of the biggest

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Speaker 1: lari Emda from ten Entertainment Royalty, Angela Bishop and from

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Speaker 1: nine Today Shows Karl Stefanovic. So basically, it's the Logi's

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Speaker 1: green room, but strapped to buzzers and letting Tom say

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Speaker 1: pick four people from Australian television to roast, you'd struggle

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Speaker 1: to do better than this lineup. Tom Gleason joins us. Now, Tom,

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Speaker 1: let's start with this lineup. Lee Sales, Larimda, Angela Bishop

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Speaker 1: and Karl Stefanovic. Why did you choose these particular folks

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Speaker 4: Well, we're doing Battle of the Networks and I wanted

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Speaker 4: I wanted to invite them over to the ABC to

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Speaker 1: Oh so it's like the training wheels are often I guess,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's time an end of the year muck

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Speaker 4: up day. That's the vibe that's going on. Within seconds,

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Speaker 4: I was tearing strips off Carl Stefanovic, and he seemed

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Speaker 4: and I have no idea what's going to make the cut.

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Speaker 5: I haven't seen the cut yet, but.

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Speaker 4: In studio, I don't think the lawyers would like some

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Speaker 1: see what actually comes out. Then, when these folks sign

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Speaker 1: You cannot say this stuff.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that's another key to getting really big stars.

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Speaker 4: The network's kind don't get a say in it, because

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Speaker 4: kind of just get to do it. But yeah, I

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Speaker 4: happy to say to Larry Ender, you don't need this,

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Speaker 4: But they don't need it, but they want it because

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Speaker 4: it's fun. It's fun to play out and that's that's

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Speaker 1: Is that why you do it? Then? Tom? Is there

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Speaker 1: another ulterior motive? Is this you cashing in your good deed?

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Speaker 1: Did charity Networks work for the yell?

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Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't think anyone got paid.

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Speaker 4: It's outside the ratings period, it's the ABC ratings don't

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Speaker 1: That's excellent. Well, I mean when we talk about chaos

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Speaker 1: and when we talk about roasting, there's already so much

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Speaker 5: Though?

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Speaker 4: Sort of find a different side of all of the contestants.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to give them away, but I learned

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Speaker 4: stuff about Carl that I didn't know about. And say,

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Speaker 4: stuff like Larry Ender, who has hosted so many game shows,

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Speaker 4: Century I think is a contestant.

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Speaker 1: Oh, the table's a their term.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure he enjoyed being behind the busser.

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Speaker 4: I did say to him afterwards, I said, do you

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Speaker 5: He's like, yeah, it's really part over that.

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Speaker 1: We'll have to watch next year and see if he's

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Speaker 1: Now I've been asked by the overlords at MMA MIA,

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Speaker 1: how do we go about submitting ourselves for hard Quiz

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Speaker 1: next year? Is that something we can potentially look at

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, yeah we have you just go to hard

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Speaker 4: Quiz casting dot com dot are you are you thinking

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Speaker 1: No, we're here right now, Tom. This is the inside track.

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Speaker 1: How you get ahead?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think this sounds great actually, because podcasting is

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, this is a news podcast, so I

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Speaker 5: Oh, I have you.

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Speaker 4: It's the other one that I'm worried about where they

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Speaker 4: because in a quiz you've got a question and an answer, it's.

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Speaker 1: Very As an avid hard Quiz fan, I know the

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Speaker 1: lay of the land. I'm very ready to jump on

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Speaker 1: whenever you're ready to do the pod special. Now, Tom,

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Speaker 1: one of the things that you were so well known

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Speaker 1: for and beloved for, not just on Hard Quiz but

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Speaker 1: on stage as well, is your impeccable ability to roast

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Speaker 1: at the drop of the hat. Is there anyone though,

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Speaker 1: I'd love to know that you've wanted to roast that's

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Speaker 1: just haven't been able to quite nail yet.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I kind of want to. I've got

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Speaker 4: I really want to have to go at Sam Pain

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Speaker 4: because he seems a little bit untouchable at the moment.

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Speaker 4: He's doing really well, he has the logis he hosts

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Speaker 5: He hasn't invited me on his show.

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Speaker 4: Maybe he knows what he would be in for because

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Speaker 5: But if he had me on the shower, give him

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Speaker 5: the real trick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to take Pang down a peg? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean he takes himself down a pet quite

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Speaker 4: Usually you just zero in on someone's Achilles heel. So

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Speaker 4: No, it's not a rebrand. It's probably just a career mistake.

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Speaker 4: I went and did who do you Think You Are?

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Speaker 1: You take the credit either way. Hey, before we let

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Speaker 1: us today. You can catch Hard Quiz Battle of the

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Speaker 1: December seventeen from eight pm. The Quikie is produced by

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Speaker 1: me Taylor Strano, Laria Brofi and Claire Murphy, with audio

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