Speaker 1: So you're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mom and
Speaker 1: Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters that
Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on the Baby Bubble with Claire
Speaker 1: and Jesse Stevens. It's definitely not a parenting advice podcast.
Speaker 1: Hey mamas, Hey mamas, we've missed you. We've missed you
Speaker 1: a lot, and we're just jumping in because we're never
Speaker 1: short on advice. And the people have been desperate. They
Speaker 1: have been running around with crying babies, holding them upside down.
Speaker 1: Their babies haven't slept since our last episode, Claire, because
Speaker 1: they need us to help, to help, they going, I
Speaker 1: don't know what to do. I need you guys, and
Speaker 1: it's a responsibility, but we have to do it. It's honestly,
Speaker 1: it's enough pressure for me to keep my baby alive.
Speaker 1: You're keeping your baby alive. I'm often keeping your baby alive,
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Speaker 1: a few weeks. We thought we'd address an urgent listener
Speaker 1: dilemma that's come in and it was marked urgent, capital letters,
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Speaker 1: quite qualified to speak on this at the moment. We're
Speaker 1: experts in a lot. We're particular experts in this crap
Speaker 1: crap crap advice. You're ready for the dilemma, Claire, I
Speaker 1: am ready for the dilemma. Go all right. It is
Speaker 1: as follows. Hi, you too, if it's urgent. I don't
Speaker 1: know why we've got preambled. I was like, just get
Speaker 1: into it. Yeah, thanks so much for season one. You're
Speaker 1: really delivered on being decided unhelpful and if anything, you
Speaker 1: made me a worse parent, So thanks for that. No,
Speaker 1: no worries anyway, I need some advice. We're here for you.
Speaker 1: My wife is working a fair bit from Singapore at
Speaker 1: the moment, and an opportunity has come up for me
Speaker 1: to come over with our ten month old and stay
Speaker 1: in a lovely hotel and do some sightseeing. While it
Speaker 1: all sounds great. Because of her work schedule, I will
Speaker 1: have to do the flight there and the flight back
Speaker 1: on my own. We're not rich, so the flight will
Speaker 1: be economy important note I really, I mean I didn't
Speaker 1: assume it would be anything other than economy. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: thank you for thank you, thank you. I think it
Speaker 1: sounds fun, but it will also be hard work. Do
Speaker 1: you honestly reckon it's worth it? Should I go or
Speaker 1: just stay home where it's easier? Now, Jersey, we are
Speaker 1: in a unique position to respond in that we have
Speaker 1: our own plane, a private plane that takes us to
Speaker 1: and from the Bahamas. Okay it doesn't, we don't. We
Speaker 1: went on a holiday, yeah recently. Yeah, and you went
Speaker 1: with your eleven month old and I went with my
Speaker 1: five month old, and we had two very very different experiences.
Speaker 1: Because of that, some might say small age gap, not
Speaker 1: a small age gap when you're traveling, and you say
Speaker 1: the difference is so, Jess, you're probably in a very
Speaker 1: good position to talk specifically about the ten month old
Speaker 1: element of this dilemma. Well, I'm going to jump right
Speaker 1: into it because I have done a flight on my own,
Speaker 1: and I am going to tell you what you're going
Speaker 1: to do. About the flight, because that's first and foremost
Speaker 1: what we're going to do. I think it's like eight
Speaker 1: hours from Sydney. It's like eight hours and twenty five minutes.
Speaker 1: I looked it up to Singapore and one flight and
Speaker 1: one flight and eight hours and twenty five backs. So
Speaker 1: we're talking six tonight. We're talking seventy eight hours. I
Speaker 1: have a solution on the flight front. Got it. At first,
Speaker 1: I was worried that in order for this solution to work,
Speaker 1: her baby needed to walk, and the average ten month
Speaker 1: old can't walk. But it's okay, crawl role doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: This is what I need. You go towards your boarding gate.
Speaker 1: You put your baby on its side, and you roll
Speaker 1: it onto the plane. Oh wow, okay, so you roll
Speaker 1: the baby onto the plane. I'll throw a toy. I'll
Speaker 1: throw a toy. Joe, go catch her, catch you walk away?
Speaker 1: Oh wow. So baby's borded the flight, baby's boarded, doors closed. Hm, okay, problem,
Speaker 1: baby can't hold baby's ticket. Baby's gonna lose baby's ticket.
Speaker 1: Oh stick it to its head. Oh okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so you've stuck the boarding pass to it and passport
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, put it and it's snappy sticking out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In fact, I think I told you I went through
Speaker 1: security once couldn't find my passport. Look down, Luna was
Speaker 1: holding it. I was like, I don't know where you
Speaker 1: got that. But they're actually good with gripping things that
Speaker 1: they're not meant to hold. So baby's probably crawling with
Speaker 1: passport boarding pass stuck to head. Baby's on plane. This
Speaker 1: is officially someone else's problem. What you do is you
Speaker 1: go and get a slightly later flight to Singapore, meet
Speaker 1: the baby at baggage, right, and then what you do
Speaker 1: is when your partner picks you up at the other end,
Speaker 1: you go, we've done the whole flight together. Actually tired,
Speaker 1: you're O judy, Yeah, indefinitely, and do the same on
Speaker 1: the way back. Love it now, backup option if that
Speaker 1: doesn't want because you might roll the baby, and the
Speaker 1: baby might roll in a weird direction and not make
Speaker 1: it and not make the flight. Yeah, I've got a question,
Speaker 1: because okay, all right, this is what you do. You
Speaker 1: give your baby to a stranger and say, nice looking,
Speaker 1: not any on the plane, in the line on the plane, Yeah,
Speaker 1: nice looking stranger, not anyone. We're not irresponsible like a
Speaker 1: grandma and you say, I'm traveling on my own. Would
Speaker 1: you mind just holding my baby while I go to
Speaker 1: the bathroom. Yeah, I've seen it. Catch me if you
Speaker 1: can that. Apparently you can escape a plane via the bathroom.
Speaker 1: Really in that movie he does it, He gets out
Speaker 1: the bottom of the plane. Because I thus, if they're
Speaker 1: still boarding, you could just walk out. I think you
Speaker 1: could also just walk out. The thing is you asked
Speaker 1: them to mind your baby. You didn't say, and it's
Speaker 1: on them. Yeah, that's called responsibility. It's how the social
Speaker 1: contract works. I don't make the rules, but they are
Speaker 1: looking after that baby for eight hours and twenty five minutes.
Speaker 1: What are they going to do? Just put it down
Speaker 1: and ignore it now, it would be really irresponsible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so then you obviously pick baby up at baggage carousel,
Speaker 1: go on with your life. It's actually really good for
Speaker 1: their independence. Discussion. Yeah, I do. In Vizige, the baby
Speaker 1: coming out on the baggage carousel. Yeah, as though it
Speaker 1: is a piece of luggage. Well that's a bit of fun.
Speaker 1: You could say to the person. Maybe you do tuck
Speaker 1: a note into the nappy so when they change the nappy,
Speaker 1: just be like, meet me at baggage carousel too. Luckily,
Speaker 1: I have a way better advice okay than you do.
Speaker 1: Planes need a crash, Oh yeah, genuine one. I don't
Speaker 1: know who would voluntarily do that job, but maybe if
Speaker 1: you paid them one million dollars a year, you might
Speaker 1: find one person who would mind all the babies. So
Speaker 1: there's this thing online and this is unfortunately potentially helpful.
Speaker 1: So I'm flagging that you can skip ahead if you
Speaker 1: don't want it. If not, there is a thing. It
Speaker 1: is called something I've forgotten, and what it is is
Speaker 1: it gets young travelers who want to make money like
Speaker 1: while they're away this. I know two people who have
Speaker 1: just done this, say I'm going to Europe, and it
Speaker 1: pairs them up with someone who needs special assistance on
Speaker 1: a flight. So maybe you're someone who's like you're slightly unwell,
Speaker 1: or you've broken your leg, or you've got babies that
Speaker 1: you need help with. You're paired up with someone you
Speaker 1: then make an agreement about I'm going to pay you
Speaker 1: five hundred bucks to help me look after my baby
Speaker 1: on the flight. That's a lot of money. No, I've
Speaker 1: just pulled that out of my arm, but like any amount,
Speaker 1: and then they agree to it. Okay. So it's a
Speaker 1: thing that's set up. It's called like Juno or jung
Speaker 1: or something. Okay. The problem is you're still on the
Speaker 1: flight with your baby, yeah, and you feel like somewhat
Speaker 1: obligating you. Yeah. The idea of the crache is, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of in the old days, planes used to have
Speaker 1: like a different setup. They'd have just like a table
Speaker 1: and chairs. You know, you see a photo you see
Speaker 1: you're thinking of a train. You see photos of old
Speaker 1: style planes. I'm not convened, and they were different, and
Speaker 1: so I just think that they're looking know that there
Speaker 1: is room for a crage if they knock out first class.
Speaker 1: TikTok knows. I am particularly interested in watching like first
Speaker 1: class cabins of ridiculous planes. And there's ones that are
Speaker 1: like a lot of square feet and it has a
Speaker 1: double bed and blah blah blah. Like, tell me that
Speaker 1: one of those couldn't be a crash. Yeah, exactly, they
Speaker 1: need to be a crash. These are the things that
Speaker 1: don't make sense that then support why the cration needs
Speaker 1: to happen. So they want you to put the baby
Speaker 1: on your lab and use the baby seat belt, which
Speaker 1: would be fine. But I don't know if they've ever
Speaker 1: met a baby. But baby doesn't want to sit on
Speaker 1: my lap ever ever, not at a cafe, not on
Speaker 1: my lounge in my own home for thirty seconds. So
Speaker 1: this is hugely dangerous. Then they've got the basinets you
Speaker 1: can book like a bassinet seat where the bassinet is
Speaker 1: in front of you. Baby doesn't fit well. Sometimes baby
Speaker 1: doesn't fit. A baby doesn't fit. I've never known baby
Speaker 1: fit well. Matilda fit. She fit on a okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So she slept in the bascinet. Yeah, lovely, okay, But
Speaker 1: when there's turbulence, take got to take them out. And
Speaker 1: so baby's fast asleep in the basinet and it's like
Speaker 1: bing bong and take your baby out. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: wake her up and she's not going to go back
Speaker 1: to sleep for three hours. And the thing is, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: do you think that she's safe in my lap for
Speaker 1: the turbulence? That's the thing. Because the bassinet has a
Speaker 1: strap over it, it's fine. I also think that maybe
Speaker 1: on planes they a little bit make up rules as
Speaker 1: they go. I agree. I haven't told you this, but
Speaker 1: on the flight home from Europe, we'd already been in
Speaker 1: transit for seventy two days. People start doing weird shit
Speaker 1: and it's fine. Matilda was asleep in her basinet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had the cozy Go, which again I'm sorry, it's
Speaker 1: an actual recommendation. It's like a bacinet cover goes it
Speaker 1: like clips to the sided basnet. She's sleeping like a dream.
Speaker 1: I'm dozing. My partners just dozing. We're like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: we almost went great gray. Yeah, but we're gonna get
Speaker 1: some good rest. Then I get working aggressively by flight attendant.
Speaker 1: He's like, excuse me, you need to take that off
Speaker 1: the basinet, the cozy go. Yeah. I'm like, this happened
Speaker 1: on my fly. This woman was like, yes, got told
Speaker 1: by a flight attendant you need to take this off.
Speaker 1: And she's like no, I'm sorry, but no I don't.
Speaker 1: And it was like a full and the woman heard
Speaker 1: the cozy girl was right. She's like, just take it off. Why?
Speaker 1: And I'm a rule followers. I'm like, oh, I know,
Speaker 1: I'm going to take it off. But I was like,
Speaker 1: just typically, you want me to intentionally wake my sleeping baby. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the lights are on, so she's definitely gonna wake up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like everyone's fine, she's fine. That cranky man behind
Speaker 1: me is fine. I mean, I would never criticize flight attendants.
Speaker 1: I think that they do God's work and ninety nine
Speaker 1: percent of them are great. But even flight attendants are
Speaker 1: with me on this. Yeah, on every flight, there's one
Speaker 1: and she is making up rules, and she's walking through
Speaker 1: the corridors and things are quiet for a moment, and
Speaker 1: she says, open your window. You're like, we're not landing.
Speaker 1: We're not landing, you know. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: told you this, but I had my seat reclined. It
Speaker 1: was two am, liked by time, and I had my
Speaker 1: seat reclined, and I was made to put my seat
Speaker 1: up every time the person behind me wanted to eat.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, don't you got it. I knew that you
Speaker 1: got to do that. No one else on the flight
Speaker 1: had to do it. I was watching, you gotta do that.
Speaker 1: You can't be reclining your seat during real time. It's
Speaker 1: two am. No one wants, no one wants breakfast. Okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: you can eat. Anyone can eat with your flight. I
Speaker 1: was looking around everyone's seats, a fully reclined you can eat.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we're not putting all things back up. We're not.
Speaker 1: I got yelled at by a cranky multiple times. Was
Speaker 1: if you make me wake up Matilda, she's gonna scream.
Speaker 1: It's do you want to settle her? And you, I think, Baby,
Speaker 1: you start an impromptu crash on board. So you find
Speaker 1: a mum who looks like she's handling it just okay.
Speaker 1: Always she's gone to two kids, she's got to she together,
Speaker 1: she's ready for the flight. Yeah, and you go in
Speaker 1: your mind, my baby for a second, you run, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: so we're similar here. Yeah, you run off the flight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're still boarding other people and you say, sorry, sorry,
Speaker 1: I just dropped something around the corner. Okay, and you leave.
Speaker 1: That's just my idea. Yeah I know, but I'm saying
Speaker 1: impromptued crash is my bit baby with stranger, which is
Speaker 1: my idea. Yeah. Well, anyway, that woman with two kids
Speaker 1: is now running crash knowingly. Okay, I have another thing
Speaker 1: because once we're done with the flight, which I think
Speaker 1: we've more than sorted or in Singapore, and it's time
Speaker 1: to do some activities. Yeah, we've been to Singapore. Really
Speaker 1: enjoyed it, loved it. A couple of recommendation loved the
Speaker 1: Night Night Zoo. Baby will love it our Universal Studios.
Speaker 1: Well that's my other thing, baby buzzkill Universal Studios only
Speaker 1: notes I wrote on this whole episode. So I did
Speaker 1: put baby in teacups. You know the teacups ride that
Speaker 1: just goes around. Put baby in teacups for a couple
Speaker 1: of hours. You go, do your rollercoasters. Come back, you'll
Speaker 1: sleep in teacups. Yeah, have a little giggle. Baby can
Speaker 1: feed themselves a bottle at that stage. You're good. Yeah, fine,
Speaker 1: absolutely fine. I will say. Just something to be aware
Speaker 1: of is that babies are un predictable. When they go overseas,
Speaker 1: they start being a different baby. Yes, for reasons. They
Speaker 1: can't tell you your baby turned into an angel. Weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well things Matilda started doing for literally no reason while
Speaker 1: we were traveling, pooing five times a day, despising her
Speaker 1: car seat, sometimes doing one times, vomit all over me
Speaker 1: at three am, drinking more milk than a baby can
Speaker 1: safely honestly drink. Yeah, for the way over there, I
Speaker 1: prepped bottles for what she would usually consume in that time,
Speaker 1: so say it was like seven bottles by the time
Speaker 1: we got to doa which was where we were doing
Speaker 1: out connecting flight. She'd had them all. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: an issue. It was actually really really stressful. Also, I
Speaker 1: hope the rental car company isn't listening to this. But
Speaker 1: we had a car and a couple of days into it,
Speaker 1: we were like, oh, Matilda must have shat in her
Speaker 1: car seat because it smells in here. On. I think
Speaker 1: they've got to be expecting that. Yeah, if you've got
Speaker 1: a car seat, you're if it's not ship and it's
Speaker 1: not ramited, it's both. Yeah yeah, yeah, Well I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: she cleared down a bit of a poop. So me
Speaker 1: and Maury every time we opened the doors were like,
Speaker 1: palm one of the five foods she's done. This is
Speaker 1: so bad your pin diet. She's been having bread and
Speaker 1: shirts and trance. And then I opened the boot there
Speaker 1: was a Journey nappy we'd left in there. That's disgusting.
Speaker 1: So that's you are disgusting. Yeah. Luna inexplicably developed emotion
Speaker 1: instagraund so every time we got the car, she just
Speaker 1: vomited within two minutes and she was like, I get
Speaker 1: sick in the car. I was like, you are eleven
Speaker 1: months old. You did not get sick in the car
Speaker 1: until right now she's like, I'm in can well, why
Speaker 1: are you vomiting? Anyway, That is our brilliant advice for
Speaker 1: our listener, and in fact, if you want some somewhat
Speaker 1: helpful advice, which you know this won't be happening in
Speaker 1: season two, so don't stress. But there is a link
Speaker 1: in the show notes to a story I wrote on
Speaker 1: site about some of the biggest mistakes that I made,
Speaker 1: and some of that might actually be helpful to you.
Speaker 1: But otherwise, go to Singapore and go on a roller
Speaker 1: coat stuff. Yeah, yeah, the baby, I love the lions. Yeah, no, no, no, definitely,
Speaker 1: And I think our advice is go, yeah, keep your
Speaker 1: expectations on the floor. Yeah yeah, before we go, quick
Speaker 1: horror story, as in, like I reckon, we should all
Speaker 1: share our biggest horror story from traveling with babies. Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean mine was obviously the flight home, which I
Speaker 1: still have nightmare that I'm still on it. It's one
Speaker 1: of the worst experiences of my life. I say, it's
Speaker 1: worse than labor. I don't actually want to talk about it.
Speaker 1: I can't talk about it. But going to Saint Trepe
Speaker 1: dot dot dot emergency not a highlight, not a highlight.
Speaker 1: First thing I saw in Saint Tropez, which I know
Speaker 1: from a song? Maybe is this more like sand Trapez? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't really understand how to say it, but maybe
Speaker 1: I also know not from the fake Tan. Isn't there
Speaker 1: a fake Tan called Sant Trapez? I don't know, but
Speaker 1: like that's not really what you know, cra I just
Speaker 1: know that Leonardo DiCaprio is on a boat around the corner.
Speaker 1: I just know that. We got to santra Pez and
Speaker 1: my dad pointed to a yacht and said, that's the
Speaker 1: one from below deck. And I was like, how do
Speaker 1: you know about below deck? And he's like, I've seen
Speaker 1: all of it, and he was right, there was a
Speaker 1: pull on it. Anyway, you were there doing some Leo
Speaker 1: spotting with a younger girlfriend. Where was I? In emergency
Speaker 1: in Saint Tropez because a little Luruna did have a
Speaker 1: cough that was so bad we thought it was an
Speaker 1: RSV type situation. She ended up on antibiotics. It was
Speaker 1: a whole thing. The doctors went in and did sing
Speaker 1: her French nursery ralms. It was actually really cute, but
Speaker 1: that was definitely a low point. How about you Horas Store.
Speaker 1: Sorry from travel. So I'm in Dublin and I'm at
Speaker 1: Dublin Castle and I want to do a tour of
Speaker 1: the castle. Yeah. I love history castles. This is great fun.
Speaker 1: It's me Matilda, Mum vibeiconic girls, stay out. Yeah, girl's
Speaker 1: gone wild. Yeah. Then we buy the tickets. We're waiting there,
Speaker 1: La la la, Jeff to by Matilda to get No, No,
Speaker 1: she's just an accessory. No. Yeah, Matilda has, as previously discussed,
Speaker 1: honestly put on three killers on the plane. Matilda. I
Speaker 1: think for context, Matilda ain't a small baby. She resembles
Speaker 1: strongly humpty dumpty. I mean that with love. But she's
Speaker 1: she's a heavy gal. She's thick. Yeah, she is thick
Speaker 1: with a seat. And so this is this is relevant.
Speaker 1: This is relevant because the tour guide arrives and he's like, hello,
Speaker 1: during our tour of Dublin Castle. Can't bring a pram.
Speaker 1: Oh you want me to hold it? Me to hold it?
Speaker 1: Bring a carrier. It's so heavy. It's so heavy. And Matilda,
Speaker 1: when she's held, thinks it's playtime. She's like, hey, mom, mum, mum,
Speaker 1: I play with your glasses and your hair. Yeah, The
Speaker 1: thing is, did you think the Dublin Castle was going
Speaker 1: to have a lift. Yeah. In hindsight, I was like, true,
Speaker 1: castles aren't known for their accessibility. No, they're not known
Speaker 1: for their ramps. They're not known for being pran friendly. No.
Speaker 1: So I had to carry her for this entire tour,
Speaker 1: up and down very narrow. I mean these are stairs
Speaker 1: for context. I don't know this, but stairs in castles
Speaker 1: are like super narrow and made so that every single
Speaker 1: stair is a different height. Yeah, to stop the enemy.
Speaker 1: The enemy would stack it when they came in see
Speaker 1: you and Matilda. So me and Matilda are like now
Speaker 1: and Queen are like, I don't want that humpty dumpty
Speaker 1: in this house. Yeah. And so you're tripping over every
Speaker 1: step with a very heavy baby. So it was quite sketchy.
Speaker 1: But then we got to quite a warm room. Uh huh.
Speaker 1: She fell asleep on me. It was really cute. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: she actually I was snoring. I felt disrespectful to the
Speaker 1: tour guide. Yeah, but carrying a big old baby through
Speaker 1: a tour that I thought was going to be relaxing,
Speaker 1: it wasn't it. We will be back in your ears
Speaker 1: for season two. We are so excited. Stay tuned. Make
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