WEBVTT - F*ck First — And Other Cheat Codes For Life

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to a MoMA mea podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Mamma Mere acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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<v Speaker 2>that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>Mamma Mia out Loud and to our Friday show where

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<v Speaker 2>we take a break from the news cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>And breathe out.

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<v Speaker 3>He's sound relaxed.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the noise I make also after I drink tea,

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<v Speaker 1>which I happen to have here. Listened you want to

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<v Speaker 1>die today?

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<v Speaker 2>It's Friday, the fourth of October, and I am bollywayen

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<v Speaker 2>Wright only Friedman.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Jesse Stevens and may you had a birthday this week.

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<v Speaker 3>And there are two things that make you sound of

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<v Speaker 3>well seamol. The first is what you just did like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>The second I've been wanting to bring this up, but

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<v Speaker 3>you know any thinker, but you don't bring it up.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that when you have scripts that sometimes I know

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<v Speaker 3>it is, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Intro, you lick your finger when you.

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<v Speaker 2>Turn every time turns the page.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't help.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand. It does because it gives you traction,

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<v Speaker 1>like it makes the page stick. But I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand. I was talking to someone else who

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<v Speaker 1>does this? Why does it start? When you are a

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<v Speaker 1>certain age you start licking your fingers and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Can hear it to microponion, and then you do it,

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<v Speaker 3>and my mum does it, and like your.

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<v Speaker 1>Brand does it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, why I've never seen anyone under the edge

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<v Speaker 3>because you slippery.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why I do it for your fingers

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<v Speaker 2>get less traction.

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<v Speaker 3>You lose the lubrication. It's like you.

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<v Speaker 1>Finger so you need friction on anyway, never mind.

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<v Speaker 2>On the show today, cheat codes for life?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you need one? What are they? And what are ours?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a chaotic Friday wisdom dump plus recommendations, which include

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<v Speaker 2>the TV show that I would really rather be at

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<v Speaker 2>home watching right now, and so would you.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, Jesse has something depressing for you to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct and Mere's deep fashion hyper focus and ugly birthday cakes,

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<v Speaker 2>debunking teenage conspiracies, and a very confronting driver's license photo.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes it's our best and worst, but first we are

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<v Speaker 1>Friedman friends. Have you noticed something weird is happening with

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<v Speaker 1>party invitations? Jesse? You drew it to my attention and

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<v Speaker 1>now I'm noticing it everywhere. What's going on?

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<v Speaker 4>So?

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<v Speaker 3>What is going on. There was an article in Slate

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<v Speaker 3>all about this new trend where party invitations they're arriving

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<v Speaker 3>too early, earlier and earlier. They think we don't notice.

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<v Speaker 3>But this Shria Murphy, She's created an event planning app.

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<v Speaker 3>She's actually charted this. She actually has some data to

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<v Speaker 3>support her point, which is that they've seen a fourteen

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<v Speaker 3>percent increase in the median time between when someone creates

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<v Speaker 3>an event and when the event actually happens. So apparently

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<v Speaker 3>the invitations are being sent twenty percent earlier than they

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<v Speaker 3>ever have. So you're not imagining it. You are getting

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<v Speaker 3>invites for things in twenty twenty five, which is in

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<v Speaker 3>another lifetime.

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<v Speaker 1>I got invited to a wedding mix him and I

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<v Speaker 1>got invited to It is a destination though, three or

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<v Speaker 1>four months ago. Yeah, it's in Italy.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's your exception. My thing is like it'll

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<v Speaker 3>be a kid's birthday invitation, or it'll be girls drinks,

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<v Speaker 3>and we're talking months months in advance.

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<v Speaker 1>Well like with a like one of those paper paperless

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<v Speaker 1>post Do you mean that you get chat both both? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Like someone will say, let's make it so for my

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<v Speaker 1>group chats when we try to organize something, often it

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<v Speaker 1>does have to be long way in advance because this

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<v Speaker 1>one can't do then, and this one's traveling and this

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<v Speaker 1>one can't.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're too busy. Are we all too busy? And

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<v Speaker 3>so we've got to go months and months in advance

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<v Speaker 3>in order to secure anymouw Jesse, Oh, that's a really

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<v Speaker 3>great question. Well, what's awkward about this whole thing is

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<v Speaker 3>that I'm free next weekend and actually the weekend after.

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<v Speaker 3>So I keep getting these invites and it's like, pencil

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<v Speaker 3>it in or write it in your diary for April

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty five, and I'm like, don't know if I'll

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<v Speaker 3>be in Australia, don't know if you'll feel like it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, because that's the future, and the future

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<v Speaker 3>and by them exactly makes.

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<v Speaker 1>Me feel claustrophobic committing to anything more than two weeks

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<v Speaker 1>in advance.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel similarly. I think it used to be pretty

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<v Speaker 3>customary if you're having a birthday or something two weeks

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<v Speaker 3>and now I feel like it's I know, if it's.

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<v Speaker 1>A wedding or a big occasion, like when we did

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<v Speaker 1>our upfronts for work, I know this is a work

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<v Speaker 1>function but we did a save the date. A save

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<v Speaker 1>the date basically means we don't have our shit together

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<v Speaker 1>yet to have made an invitation and worked out the details,

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<v Speaker 1>but we just want to make sure you don't miss out.

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<v Speaker 3>I understand that, especially when big bucks are being spent,

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<v Speaker 3>but if it's like a birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just DIBs.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just somebody going I'm calling DIBs on that day,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to call DIBs in that day ages

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<v Speaker 2>in advance, because then none of you have got an

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<v Speaker 2>excuse to not come. That's the whole reason for it,

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<v Speaker 2>because as Mia just said, we've all got ridiculously busy.

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<v Speaker 2>I Am not that popular or busy, but I've got

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<v Speaker 2>groups of friends that we just cannot seem to make

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<v Speaker 2>it work.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen them all.

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<v Speaker 3>Year, and that's because you're away every weekend. Tollywayne right,

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<v Speaker 3>You've got a lot going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and I travel lot for work and all the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's just hard.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I'm a last minute person, so I will

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<v Speaker 2>remember that it's my kid's birthday in two weeks and

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<v Speaker 2>text everybody who needs to come to their party and

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<v Speaker 2>go thinking of having something for Billy on you know,

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<v Speaker 2>next Saturday morning, and everyone's like, your life had that

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<v Speaker 2>blackout for two years.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's interesting, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>Because you're either a last minute personally or not. I

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<v Speaker 2>could never organize anything that far. But Penny has already

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<v Speaker 2>organized my birthday party. It's not a birthday party, birthday dinner,

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<v Speaker 2>which is at Christmas. Oh my goodness, yeah to calling DIBs.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. My view on this is that it is about

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<v Speaker 1>mental load, and the worst thing when you are trying

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<v Speaker 1>to organize anything is this one saying I can't come,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can't come, but I'm away that weekend, and

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<v Speaker 1>then it goes back and forth until you lose the

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<v Speaker 1>will to have an event at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you guys use polls?

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<v Speaker 1>What's that?

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<v Speaker 3>Every group chat I have now has a pole function

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<v Speaker 3>and we have vote on the date where you have

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<v Speaker 3>to vote on the date. And I recently there was

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<v Speaker 3>a girl's you know, there might be fifteen of us,

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<v Speaker 3>and I went, I've not been carrying them mental load.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how to do this, but I've.

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<v Speaker 1>Got to learn.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got to get on the hold.

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<v Speaker 1>You made a poll.

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<v Speaker 3>I made a poll and I said, can you do

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<v Speaker 3>the twenty first of October for dinner. Can you do this?

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<v Speaker 1>Day's such a good idea. And then we just go

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<v Speaker 1>on everyone's back and I can do it. Oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>wait and so and then you wait, and then there's

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<v Speaker 1>always a laggard. And then you're like, hey, we're waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for you, Jesse, can you make that date?

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<v Speaker 3>And you're like, no, the most popular date wins. What's

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<v Speaker 3>your cheat code for life? I just told you mine,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's my polls. But there was a good one.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good one. The thing you swear by that

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<v Speaker 3>opens doors makes everything easier and you wish you knew earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>There is a Reddit thread going viral where people share

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<v Speaker 3>their insights, and some are pretty obvious, from looking people

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<v Speaker 3>in the eye to learning to say no to getting

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<v Speaker 3>enough sleep. Here are some other popular examples I came

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<v Speaker 3>across get everything in writing. So if you're in a

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<v Speaker 3>meeting and your manager promises you something, then make sure

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<v Speaker 3>you get them to email it to you. Or let's

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<v Speaker 3>say your accountant assures you of something and it just

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<v Speaker 3>sounds a bit like I would want to just confirm that.

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<v Speaker 3>Get it in writing. Another one is you can make

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<v Speaker 3>more friends in two months by becoming interested in other

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<v Speaker 3>people than you can in two years by trying to

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<v Speaker 3>get other people interested in you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very good advice.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that one. And no one stops someone carrying pizza.

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<v Speaker 3>You can get backstage at concerts. Now we don't can

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<v Speaker 3>don't trespassing, but think about it. If someone came to

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<v Speaker 3>this off and they just had a few things of

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<v Speaker 3>pizza and it smelt good, I'd let him in if

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<v Speaker 3>you were backstage, if we were backstage at Out Loud,

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<v Speaker 3>back to go on stage for our show.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't give people ideas unless they have pizza, in which

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<v Speaker 1>case come on after the show.

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<v Speaker 3>You're allowed. We asked people in the Mummeya office what

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<v Speaker 3>their cheat code to life is, and here's what they

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<v Speaker 3>told us.

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<v Speaker 4>My life pack is don't put the email address of

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<v Speaker 4>the person you're emailing in until you've written and double

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<v Speaker 4>checked your email. It really saves any unedited or unfinished

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<v Speaker 4>emails being sent accidentally.

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<v Speaker 5>The biggest lesson it was actually from my dad that

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<v Speaker 5>my dad ever taught me was always admit when you've

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<v Speaker 5>made a mistake. If you can do anything in life

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<v Speaker 5>is always admit when you're wrong and when you've made

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<v Speaker 5>a mistake because that way, you're always going to reflect

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<v Speaker 5>on your behavior and your role in something, and it

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<v Speaker 5>also makes you look at the other side of things.

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<v Speaker 6>When I'm feeling overwhelmed, I try to take a moment

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<v Speaker 6>and take five deep breasthts. I think this helps me

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<v Speaker 6>process what has happened and to not overreact.

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<v Speaker 7>When I'm talking to someone new, I try to remember

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<v Speaker 7>one personal fact about them. If I know that I'm

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<v Speaker 7>going to see them again, like the name of their

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<v Speaker 7>dog or what suburb they live in, I can ask

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<v Speaker 7>them about it the next time I see them. Then

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<v Speaker 7>they know that I've listened to them and that I

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<v Speaker 7>care what they're saying, and hopefully they can become more

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<v Speaker 7>trusting of me after that.

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<v Speaker 8>So if I'm ever in a situation where I'm asked

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<v Speaker 8>for my opinion about something that's important or a big

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<v Speaker 8>decision or something that I just know it's going to

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<v Speaker 8>take a lot of thought, it's just in the moment

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<v Speaker 8>saying hey, let me just sleep on this and get

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<v Speaker 8>back to you tomorrow. I used to think that I

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<v Speaker 8>needed to sort of have an answer straight away ready

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<v Speaker 8>to go, but sleeping on something just always gives me

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<v Speaker 8>so much more clarity.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so my friend has this great cheek code. She

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<v Speaker 3>always looks smart at the airport, and she reckons that's

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<v Speaker 3>the secret to getting upgraded to business class.

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<v Speaker 9>One of the best things I got from a parenting

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<v Speaker 9>book is just add water. So if your kid is

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<v Speaker 9>losing their shit, you either put them outside with the sprinklers,

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<v Speaker 9>throw them in the bath, or give them a drink

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<v Speaker 9>of water. I've actually started doing that myself, and it

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<v Speaker 9>is a game changer. So if I've got a tough

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<v Speaker 9>decision to make, or if i want to go and

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<v Speaker 9>yell at someone, I'll take a shower first, I'll drink

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<v Speaker 9>a glass of water. It always calms me down and

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<v Speaker 9>it always works.

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<v Speaker 1>Out loud As Hollywood's enthusiastically agreeing with almost all of

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<v Speaker 1>those hues, like yep, yep, that works, Yep, I agree,

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<v Speaker 1>I do. I don't do them all, but they're all

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<v Speaker 1>very good.

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<v Speaker 3>I also to ask the out louders they had any

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<v Speaker 3>and here are some that they came up with. I

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<v Speaker 3>really like this one from Brooks. She says, I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>big fan of don't put it down, put it away,

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<v Speaker 3>So you're not allowed to, like just put your bag down.

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<v Speaker 3>It's got a place, put it away. Another one from Kirby.

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<v Speaker 3>Every Sunday I make uniform packs for each kid, so

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<v Speaker 3>school uniform, undie socks, roll it up and put a

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<v Speaker 3>rubber band around it. They go in baskets in our buffet,

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<v Speaker 3>and each morning kids go and grab their own pack

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<v Speaker 3>and get dressed. I wish I was like her, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not too. Another one that I really liked was from Chloe.

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<v Speaker 3>This is again for kids, which is every time you're

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<v Speaker 3>giving medication, text your partner what time because you forget,

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<v Speaker 3>you know how it's got to be like four or

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<v Speaker 3>six hours away.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you don't have a partner, text.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyone, text yourself. Yeah, make a note of it, Liz,

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<v Speaker 3>good quality roboback. I would really like a robovacking. My

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<v Speaker 3>other one actually is, and I've started doing this. I

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<v Speaker 3>never regret it is taking a photo of where I

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<v Speaker 3>parked that, yeah, because I have just told it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I always to take a photo of if

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<v Speaker 2>you're in the shopping center, the place that you enter

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<v Speaker 2>the shopping center, because it's all very well knowing you're

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<v Speaker 2>on C seven, but you can't remember where C seven

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<v Speaker 2>is exactly right, and if you know that you came

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<v Speaker 2>in next to T two.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you're fine, Yes, yes, Maya. You had a birthday

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<v Speaker 3>this week, so i'd hope that you'd learned a few lessons.

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<v Speaker 3>What are some of your cheat codes?

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<v Speaker 1>I have written down four I could just think of

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<v Speaker 1>off the top of my head. Right. The first is

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<v Speaker 1>if you are someone who has to have daily medication

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<v Speaker 1>but you sometimes can't remember if you've had it or not.

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<v Speaker 1>I now have a pill box with the days, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just dispense all my pills, you know, every couple

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<v Speaker 1>of weeks into this pill box. But the other way

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<v Speaker 1>to do it is to say out loud, I'm having

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<v Speaker 1>my pill now on Tuesday. As you have it, I

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<v Speaker 1>say it.

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<v Speaker 3>You'd be so annoying to live with. I know you're

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<v Speaker 3>annoying to live Yeah you did. Where do you buy

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<v Speaker 3>those pill boxes?

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<v Speaker 1>Chemist?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Or Amazon? Chemist?

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<v Speaker 3>You think you know, and then you get into bed

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<v Speaker 3>and you go, no, no, I took that pill.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah I was that yesterday. And it's like, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I have a memory of taking that pill. I'm always

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<v Speaker 1>living in my head, and half the time I'm on

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<v Speaker 1>an automatic pilot. I don't remember what I've done or

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<v Speaker 1>what I haven't done. It might not be a pill

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<v Speaker 1>It might be if you always forget to turn off

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<v Speaker 1>your hair straight now and you know you're driving to

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<v Speaker 1>work and you're like, did I turn it off? And

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, so I'm turning off my hair straightener today

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<v Speaker 1>on Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 3>I know it. Oh, it's so weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Moving on, We're next to life.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like how you tell come live with me, knock

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<v Speaker 2>your head up three times on the pillow, and go,

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<v Speaker 2>I will not have a bad dream tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>I've found another check code. If you don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>have a bad dream. Just before you go to sleep,

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<v Speaker 1>imagine white color white, like white, like looking at a

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<v Speaker 1>white sheet, like with your eyes closed, a white wall

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that. If you just think white, white, white,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you won't have a bad scientific take her away.

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<v Speaker 1>My next cheak code for life is when I'm feeling

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<v Speaker 1>really emotional and I'm having big feelings that seem out

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<v Speaker 1>of proportion to the thing that's happening that never happened.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't happen very often, so I don't know why

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<v Speaker 3>you would need a cheat code.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much, Happy birthday, Except I always forget this

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<v Speaker 1>cheat code. But please mind. I had a therapist who

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<v Speaker 1>used to do this and she would say, how old

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<v Speaker 1>do you feel right now? Pet? She would say, and

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds passive aggressive, but she was never being passive aggressive.

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<v Speaker 1>She like, I didn't mind her calling me pet, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was very clarifying. It immediately tunes you in or

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<v Speaker 1>tunes me into, going, I feel six years old? What

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<v Speaker 1>was going on in my life when I was six

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<v Speaker 1>years old? What does this feel like to me? And

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<v Speaker 1>if you literally say to yourself, either out loud or

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<v Speaker 1>in your head, particularly if you're having an argument with someone,

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<v Speaker 1>if you just are like, how well do you feel

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<v Speaker 1>right now? Pet? So here's something I warn against is

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<v Speaker 1>asking your partner bash because I've tried that with my

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<v Speaker 1>partner and he's tried that with me because we were

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<v Speaker 1>at the therapist together and we both found it pretty useful.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, that can make things a bit worse. But

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<v Speaker 1>I find that to me to be really clarifying because

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, you genuinely do believe that your big

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<v Speaker 1>feeling is about this thing, but it feels like you've

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<v Speaker 1>been a bit taken over and you don't understand why

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<v Speaker 1>you're so upset. Anyway, So that helps my next one.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've got so many Okay, this is a really

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<v Speaker 1>good one. How to make a decision. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're a bit like I don't know, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what to do. Sometimes you can overthink it,

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<v Speaker 1>you can over intellectualize it, and you just need to

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<v Speaker 1>get in touch with your gut. And your gut is

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<v Speaker 1>actually not we will, it's actually just the accumulation of

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<v Speaker 1>all the experiences that you've ever had. And your gut

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<v Speaker 1>is good. So what you do is you say to yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>should I go to this part? If I want to

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<v Speaker 1>go to this party or not, I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Can I be bothered? Say to yourself, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>definitely going to this party. I'm definitely going. As if

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<v Speaker 1>you've made the decision, and see what emotion comes up

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<v Speaker 1>in you, and it might be relief, it might be dread, dread,

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<v Speaker 1>it might be nausea, exciting, and then just observe that

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<v Speaker 1>for a second and then just go, Okay, I'm definitely

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<v Speaker 1>not going to this party. And observe what And it

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<v Speaker 1>might be relief, it might be disappointment. It might be

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<v Speaker 1>And someone taught me that when I didn't know whether

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<v Speaker 1>I should move overseas to New York or take a

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<v Speaker 1>job as editor of Cosmo, and I was really torn

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<v Speaker 1>because they were both pretty exciting opportunities, and she talked

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<v Speaker 1>me through that, and it's something that I've used a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of times since and it never gets me wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the last one is something I learned from

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast many years ago. Instead of saying I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>say thank you for your understanding, and then you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of manipulate someone into not being mad with you, so.

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<v Speaker 3>Like in emails or life, in meetings or.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm so sorry I'm late, it's like, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for understanding I've just had the worst morning,

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<v Speaker 1>or yes, I couldn't coind apart.

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<v Speaker 3>You've said as well, when I say i'm sorry, I

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<v Speaker 3>then put some responsibility on you to make me feel better,

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<v Speaker 3>which is really annoying for the person who's been.

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<v Speaker 1>Saying like I'm so sorry and they're just like yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you just go thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>understanding or for not leaving or whatever, it is like

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<v Speaker 1>it flips it and it gives the person a compliment

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<v Speaker 1>and some status for being a good person and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of tricks them into being less mad with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Holly, what do you have Okay, you have some cheek cuts.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no practical ones because my practical life is terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>You know the people who are like like the lady

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<v Speaker 2>with the school uniform. I wish I was that, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm never that, and I just can't get my shit

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<v Speaker 2>together in that way. But I have like other ones

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<v Speaker 2>this one. Who did we steal this from me? I'm

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<v Speaker 2>always fuck first?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Yes, that was from Dan Savage who has the

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<v Speaker 1>sex podcast. This is very good advice.

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<v Speaker 3>Does this mean that you should say with people all

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<v Speaker 3>the time?

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<v Speaker 4>Away?

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<v Speaker 1>What it means?

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<v Speaker 2>So this is particularly good advice for a phase in

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<v Speaker 2>your life. Right, So imagine this. You and your partner

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<v Speaker 2>have got a date night, and it's rare that you've

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<v Speaker 2>got a date night because you know, you've got kids

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<v Speaker 2>and you've got whatever. But maybe you find the kids

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<v Speaker 2>out to their grandparents for the night, maybe whatever, and

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<v Speaker 2>you go, it's going to be great. We're gonna go

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<v Speaker 2>out for a meal, we're gonna have cocktails, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna come home, we're gonna have sex.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna be great. No, you're not, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, by the time you've gone out and you've had

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<v Speaker 2>the cocktails and you've eaten the food, and what you

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<v Speaker 2>want to do when you come back is line on

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<v Speaker 2>the couch and watch something stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>Asleep. You feel bloated, you'll get sloppy. Fuck first.

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<v Speaker 2>Always getting ready for a wedding, it's a sauning date.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck first, then go out, got a dinner date, Fuck first,

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<v Speaker 2>always fuck first.

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<v Speaker 3>That is, you've got a big meal, you're not feeling no.

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<v Speaker 2>Late night sex is not it when you're not like

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<v Speaker 2>it's different when you're in a different phase of your life.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you're an established so they go, you weren't

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<v Speaker 2>expecting sex, cheek.

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<v Speaker 1>Because then you have an empty stomach.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, And also about with the spring in your step,

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<v Speaker 2>and then when you sit there at dinner you're not.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, it's just good. It's just always a good plan.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very sound.

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<v Speaker 2>I really like that one. You too, won't agree with

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<v Speaker 2>me about this. Anyone who bitches to you is also

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<v Speaker 2>bitching about you. That is a fine bitch words to

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<v Speaker 2>live by. You know how we often talk about how

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<v Speaker 2>you need people in your life. You can bitch too,

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<v Speaker 2>and you do right like generally. But people who always

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<v Speaker 2>bitch to you about everybody, they are also bitching to everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, without question, but I'm not bitching about everybody

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<v Speaker 3>on my bitch about like two people to you, but

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not bitching about you. Do you believe me? Oh

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<v Speaker 3>my god, she doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I realized that about when I used to get Brazilian

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<v Speaker 1>bikini waxes and my waxa used to tell me things

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<v Speaker 1>about her other clients. Yes, And I was a bit like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Right in professional settings, this is particularly true, I agree. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes you'll interview someone for a job when I've been

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<v Speaker 2>a manager, and actually me is terrible this because she

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<v Speaker 2>always tries to get people to bitch in job interviews.

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<v Speaker 2>But like if the person that you're interviewing will bitch

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<v Speaker 2>about their current employer.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's a test, hire them.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why I do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is. It's a test and forgossip person, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for your understanding. But I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Listening and changing your mind is a sign of strength,

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<v Speaker 2>not weakness.

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<v Speaker 1>Yea one hundred. Every time strong opinions lose me.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell, people who are very much like you know, oh

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<v Speaker 2>you used to think this, and no you think that,

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<v Speaker 2>and you said that that time and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't know what they're doing. Those people, they're silly.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you don't have a better idea, shut the

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<v Speaker 2>fuck up.

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<v Speaker 1>That is something I was by a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when you're just like I don't like that,

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<v Speaker 2>that's wrong. Da da da da da, And you can

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<v Speaker 2>get into a really negative cycle. You've got to ask yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>have I got a better idea?

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<v Speaker 1>Do I think?

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<v Speaker 3>How would I do it?

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<v Speaker 1>And honest yeah, is it better? Always? Yeah, that's what?

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<v Speaker 3>And can you be bothered to do it? Because you

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<v Speaker 3>probably can't, in which case forget about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>There are some Okay, mine are weird. Good one that

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<v Speaker 3>I have is about memory. I've said it before, years

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<v Speaker 3>and years ago, but this is something I did when

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<v Speaker 3>I was studying at school, and I read this fact

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<v Speaker 3>somewhere and the fact might not be true. It doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 3>If you want to remember something, memorize something, whether it's

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<v Speaker 3>like a speech or a fact or notes. I'll print

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<v Speaker 3>it on green paper. I read it once. Apparently if

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<v Speaker 3>you read off green paper, it's a trigger for memory.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have green paper for that purpose?

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<v Speaker 3>I used to. I haven't needed it recently, but if

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<v Speaker 3>I was like doing a speech where I felt like

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<v Speaker 3>I needed to know this completely off by heart. I

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<v Speaker 3>would do it on green paper.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if you can replicate that on your phone,

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<v Speaker 1>because I mean, who's going to go out and buy

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<v Speaker 1>green paper?

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<v Speaker 3>See? I always do paper. I think phones very very different.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that my brain is wired to forget everything

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<v Speaker 3>I look at that's on are I think when it's

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<v Speaker 3>on paper, it holds totally different.

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<v Speaker 1>So did you like print out all your school notes

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<v Speaker 1>on green paper? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Yep? And how green green that I'm still like read

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<v Speaker 3>it like that the black is still visible. But even

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<v Speaker 3>if it's not, if I'm telling my brain this green

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<v Speaker 3>paper means I'll memorize it, it's like pale green.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's always helped me. My rule for emails or

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<v Speaker 3>messages or anything is do not open it until you

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<v Speaker 3>can reply.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a really good rule because I always forget that rule,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's why I'm very bad on email.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a minute, I'm going to read it. I'll go.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get back to that later. No, I won't.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, my memory is not good enough for that. I

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<v Speaker 3>use the Pomodori method for just about everything. Yeah, so timing, yep.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a stopwatch for everything I do, what it is.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like recently I had this big ish project that

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<v Speaker 3>I had to complete, and it was like pulling teeth.

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<v Speaker 3>I just was not enjoying any I knew I needed

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<v Speaker 3>to do it, but it was a job, and every

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<v Speaker 3>time I sat down to do it, I would go,

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to do twenty minutes. Look the clock, time

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<v Speaker 3>it now, and just get twenty minutes of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like you almost have to sneak up on yourself. Yep, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I set thirty minutes on my phone, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>put my phone in a drawer somewhere away.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when my thirty minutes goes off, that I focus.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm allowed to play with my phone for four minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I have to put another timer on.

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<v Speaker 3>It actually makes you satisfied because sometimes when you're doing projects,

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<v Speaker 3>you can spend twenty minutes doing something and you've got

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<v Speaker 3>no more words, and you actually don't feel like you've

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<v Speaker 3>got anywhere, but you always have. So it's a way

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<v Speaker 3>of measuring progress. Another one I have is when you're

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<v Speaker 3>speaking to someone and they're telling you something, say you're right,

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<v Speaker 3>rather than I know, like if I'm really engaged and Holly,

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<v Speaker 3>you're telling me about the substance and your analysis of it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I say, yeah, I know, yeah, I know. It's

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<v Speaker 3>quite dismissive, and it sounds like I think I know everything.

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<v Speaker 3>It makes you feel a lot smarter if I'm like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you're right, you're right, it's true, which I think is

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<v Speaker 3>helpful for relation.

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<v Speaker 1>That's interesting tangent on that is that I found this

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<v Speaker 1>particularly when I had little kids and everyone's giving you

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of advice. Oh, and people like push it

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<v Speaker 1>onto you. And I used to try and push back

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<v Speaker 1>like I used to resent it, and then I realized

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<v Speaker 1>they'll keep going until you say, what a great idea, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that will shut them up. Then they'll move on because

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<v Speaker 1>they think that you're going to do it and you're not.

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<v Speaker 1>But you just say that to make them still on them.

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<v Speaker 1>You just go. That is such a if anyone's giving

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<v Speaker 1>you advice you don't want to take.

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<v Speaker 3>My last one is argue the point, not the person

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<v Speaker 3>related to that, and never argue on the internet. But

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<v Speaker 3>anyone I see, or even if I'm having a discussion

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<v Speaker 3>or an argument with someone, there is a threshold by

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<v Speaker 3>which they've completely lost me and it's like any name calling,

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<v Speaker 3>even in people that I really respect their opinion, It's like,

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<v Speaker 3>at that point, I've just write it off. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>something that's really really hard to keep yourself accountable for.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think I'm better at it now than I

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<v Speaker 3>was five years ago, and hopefully in five years I'll

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<v Speaker 3>be much much better at it. But like playing the ball,

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<v Speaker 3>not the player or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So you mean, like the way the Internet's made everyone

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<v Speaker 1>jump straight to you're a racist, you're a fascist, ye, or.

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<v Speaker 2>Even like the vice presidential debate this week, Roundly people

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<v Speaker 2>are generally saying Jade Vance won that and all the

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<v Speaker 2>leftist people don't like him, right, including myself. But rather

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<v Speaker 2>than admitting that he won that, you know, like, but

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't mean we should all go.

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<v Speaker 1>Out and vote for him.

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<v Speaker 2>They're all going, look at his stupid way he looks stupid,

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<v Speaker 2>Look at his stupid eyeline. I look at his stupid

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not eyeliner. But that's not the point. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's like petty name calling. I'm like, immediately I think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot less of that person.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>I also think that if we're having an argument and

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<v Speaker 3>you say something that I don't agree with, and then

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<v Speaker 3>I go, well, you would think that because and I

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<v Speaker 3>bring up something from your personal life, I've clearly lost

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<v Speaker 3>my either train of thought or my point, because if

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<v Speaker 3>my point's strong enough, then I don't need to start

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<v Speaker 3>character assassinating you or making assumptions about your life. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's something that I try and hold myself too.

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<v Speaker 1>Smart, because by calling someone a name, you just immediately

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<v Speaker 1>shut down any possibility of conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Or making something personal that isn't personal.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, because then immediately just put somebody's back up and

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<v Speaker 2>you don't. Yeah, I agree, good one. I've got one

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<v Speaker 2>more sleep on it. Always, always, always, everything i'm really

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<v Speaker 2>really upset about. I nearly always feel better the next day.

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<v Speaker 2>So unless you can't sleep on it, because it's a

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<v Speaker 2>decision that needs to be made right now.

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<v Speaker 3>How about but everyone says about not going to bed

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<v Speaker 3>angry with your partner. What do you think of that?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>No, sometimes I'm not a grudge keeper, so I couldn't be.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I've got friends who cannot speak to their partner

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<v Speaker 2>for three days and live in the same house.

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<v Speaker 3>I could never ever do that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just not my nature. It doesn't mean I'm particularly not.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like I'm more of a goldfish, do you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. So that's not so much of

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<v Speaker 2>a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they's sleep on it things interesting because I

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<v Speaker 1>try to be that sometimes, but then I do sleep

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<v Speaker 1>because you have to in the course of an argument,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I just kind of lose interest. Grade Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that's good, right, yeah, because it can be frustrating when

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<v Speaker 1>I want to hold it. If it was worth holding,

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<v Speaker 1>you maybe would hold it.

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<v Speaker 3>Out Louders please jump in to the mummy or out

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<v Speaker 3>Louders Facebook group. We've got a thread in there that

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<v Speaker 3>will pin with a whole lot of cheat codes for life.

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<v Speaker 3>Please jump in and add yours. I am reading all

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<v Speaker 3>of them.

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<v Speaker 1>That's actually a low path.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Friday, and we're going to help you set up

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<v Speaker 2>your weekend for maximum pleasure and enjoyment and intellectual stimulation.

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<v Speaker 2>Mea Friedman, what is your recommendation for this week?

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<v Speaker 1>It's very specific And if anyone has been following some

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<v Speaker 1>of the videos I've been putting of my outfits on

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram lately, I've become very fixated with Copenhagen Street style.

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<v Speaker 2>See I don't know anything about this and I need

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<v Speaker 2>you to explain it to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you talking about Copenhagen the place?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not the ice s creen, No, that's Hargan Dash.

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<v Speaker 3>Is there a brand Copenhagen.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's a city, all right, Yeah, it was a city,

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<v Speaker 1>but in which our Mary is queen, the queen of that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not very good about geography, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>learned that Copenhagen's in Denmark. I didn't know where it

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<v Speaker 1>was anyway. There's a particular style of fashion that comes

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<v Speaker 1>out of Copenhagen, and it's very I can't explain it.

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<v Speaker 2>Your vibe, right, your vibe, it's like cool edgy, baggy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's things that don't match obviously. Do you know

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<v Speaker 1>how we did our three words? It's my three words,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's comfortable. It's a bit quirky. That wasn't one

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<v Speaker 1>of my words, but it's a bit quirky and it

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<v Speaker 1>sparks joy. So it's like there's a lot of color,

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<v Speaker 1>there's interesting textures.

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<v Speaker 2>Where do I find it? Because you keep telling me this,

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<v Speaker 2>but I haven't found any.

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<v Speaker 1>So I literally just go to YouTube, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting. I used to watch the news in the

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<v Speaker 1>morning when I was on the treadmill each morning. Now

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<v Speaker 1>I just go to YouTube exactly. I go to YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>and I just search Copenhagen street style and there are

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<v Speaker 1>videos and I just watch them. I just watch people

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<v Speaker 1>in Copenhagen and they ride bikes and they're stylish, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just watch them and it is so soothing and

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<v Speaker 1>usually there's music.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fun. I'm looking at it now. Was there a

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<v Speaker 3>fashion week recently?

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<v Speaker 1>A fashion week recently?

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<v Speaker 3>Like I like this purple thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is so Some of the brands that are

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<v Speaker 1>Copenhagen is Bauman, Fettergarten and Gharany is one that you

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<v Speaker 1>might have heard of. Those kind of iconic shoes. They're

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<v Speaker 1>called Garni ballery Is shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>Was gharney from Copenhagen, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Gharney's I think it's all yeah no, but it's a style.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to buy those labels. It's not about

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<v Speaker 1>I don't let look at the things and go I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to go and buy that thing. It's more a vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a vibe and I'm just obsessed and I I

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<v Speaker 1>think I want to go and live in Copenhagen for

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<v Speaker 1>a bit next year. As if.

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<v Speaker 2>Next year you have you made yourself? I know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it would be very exciting to.

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<v Speaker 1>Go and do that. I'm all for midlight. Yeah, I've

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<v Speaker 1>just stopped resisting my hyperfixations. And it's just like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in Copenhagen at the moment, and that's where I like

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<v Speaker 1>to be.

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<v Speaker 3>You know how, when my little girl Learner is at

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<v Speaker 3>your place, sometimes she watches dogs at the park, dog TV,

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<v Speaker 3>Dog TV, This is your dog TV, this is my

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<v Speaker 3>dog TV.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really soothing for my brain because I can't just

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<v Speaker 1>be on the treadmill or anything without having something to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's very, very soothing, particularly at the moment when

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<v Speaker 1>the news story is so blue and it's slow, because

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<v Speaker 1>often the videos are into my emotion and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like talking. I don't want people to say what they're wearing.

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<v Speaker 1>I just like the ones with music that shows the

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<v Speaker 1>people walking in the street. All right, it's my creative mate.

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<v Speaker 1>Think I'll be here and I'll be gone. Is this Copenhagen?

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<v Speaker 1>What about this? I thought I was French. France isn't

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<v Speaker 1>that far from Denmark?

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe?

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even tell you how much I would rather

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<v Speaker 2>be at home right now watching nobody wants this.

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<v Speaker 1>I've just started.

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<v Speaker 9>We've done this podcast for like one hundred and eighteen episodes,

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<v Speaker 9>and this story you're telling it just.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds like very familiar. All right, I could make healthier

0:30:11.367 --> 0:30:12.327
<v Speaker 1>relationship choices.

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<v Speaker 8>Hi everyone, I'm Joanne.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Noah.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you know what. There's a rabbi here? No shit,

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<v Speaker 3>yeah where he.

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<v Speaker 1>Has a beard and he was definitely judging me. Sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like a rabbi. Here's your farm.

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<v Speaker 4>There is not a Jewish bone in her body unless

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<v Speaker 4>you put one in her sh you're the rabbi.

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<v Speaker 9>It's heart right.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure all the out Lauder is watching it.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, they were in the group saying watch this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, everybody's telling me to watch it.

0:30:40.967 --> 0:30:44.527
<v Speaker 2>We've all got to watch it. And it is on Netflix.

0:30:44.847 --> 0:30:49.127
<v Speaker 2>It is a rom com series starring Kirsten Bell and

0:30:49.207 --> 0:30:53.207
<v Speaker 2>Adam Brodie. And he's a rabbi and she's a chaotic

0:30:53.727 --> 0:30:58.327
<v Speaker 2>podcaster who has a sex podcast with her sister from Succession, Yes,

0:30:58.447 --> 0:31:01.847
<v Speaker 2>from Succession, she was Willa and they are falling in

0:31:01.927 --> 0:31:09.967
<v Speaker 2>love and it is the most delightful silly show. The

0:31:10.127 --> 0:31:13.047
<v Speaker 2>episodes are all short, which makes me happy. Some of

0:31:13.087 --> 0:31:15.647
<v Speaker 2>it's funny I've left out loud three times so far,

0:31:15.967 --> 0:31:17.887
<v Speaker 2>watch three episodes, so that's one last pre episode.

0:31:17.887 --> 0:31:18.447
<v Speaker 1>That's not bad.

0:31:19.167 --> 0:31:24.607
<v Speaker 2>The chemistry is amazing and I love it. My friends

0:31:24.607 --> 0:31:27.327
<v Speaker 2>based Emily in Paris, that's my thing. I want to watch.

0:31:27.607 --> 0:31:30.287
<v Speaker 1>My non Jewish friends keep texting me who was single?

0:31:30.447 --> 0:31:33.207
<v Speaker 1>Do you know any sexy rabbis you can introduce me to?

0:31:33.527 --> 0:31:37.167
<v Speaker 2>So I have questions for my Jewish friend because obviously,

0:31:37.207 --> 0:31:40.887
<v Speaker 2>because the plot line is he's a rabbi, she's not.

0:31:40.927 --> 0:31:44.007
<v Speaker 3>Jewish person, which is what I am.

0:31:44.207 --> 0:31:47.367
<v Speaker 2>And in fact, I listened to Kristin Bell and Adam

0:31:47.367 --> 0:31:50.447
<v Speaker 2>Brody being interviewed about this on Jax Shepherd's podcast Funny

0:31:50.447 --> 0:31:52.767
<v Speaker 2>that because he's married to Christin Bell, and it was

0:31:52.847 --> 0:31:55.487
<v Speaker 2>going to be called Shisa because they produced it obviously,

0:31:55.687 --> 0:31:57.407
<v Speaker 2>so siser is what they said.

0:31:57.447 --> 0:32:00.087
<v Speaker 1>It's like talked out of it. Yeah, it's like a slang.

0:32:00.247 --> 0:32:02.087
<v Speaker 1>It's not a derogatory term at least I don't think

0:32:02.087 --> 0:32:05.127
<v Speaker 1>it is. It's slang for a woman who isn't Jewish.

0:32:05.607 --> 0:32:08.727
<v Speaker 2>And so, for example, when Kristin Bell turns up at

0:32:08.727 --> 0:32:11.087
<v Speaker 2>the synagogue and all the family see her, and the

0:32:11.127 --> 0:32:13.687
<v Speaker 2>family are all very pissed off about the shiksa like

0:32:13.927 --> 0:32:15.727
<v Speaker 2>very pissed off, and that's gonna be the whole point

0:32:15.767 --> 0:32:15.967
<v Speaker 2>of this.

0:32:16.607 --> 0:32:17.367
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to know.

0:32:17.487 --> 0:32:19.047
<v Speaker 2>And I know you might not have watched enough of it,

0:32:19.167 --> 0:32:22.807
<v Speaker 2>but the stereotypes of the Jewish family in this are very,

0:32:23.647 --> 0:32:26.887
<v Speaker 2>very boldly drawn. Right there's the overbearing mother who she's

0:32:26.887 --> 0:32:28.647
<v Speaker 2>going to lose her mind if he doesn't marry a

0:32:28.727 --> 0:32:31.207
<v Speaker 2>Jewish woman. There's the sister in law who's going to

0:32:31.247 --> 0:32:32.967
<v Speaker 2>lose her mind if he doesn't marry a Jewish woman.

0:32:33.047 --> 0:32:35.087
<v Speaker 2>All the women are like ah, and the men are

0:32:35.087 --> 0:32:37.847
<v Speaker 2>all a bit woo. He himself is a wonderful character,

0:32:37.927 --> 0:32:41.207
<v Speaker 2>like a really good guy. Is that offensive?

0:32:41.927 --> 0:32:43.847
<v Speaker 1>Like, I'm not offended by it, Like, of all the

0:32:43.847 --> 0:32:45.527
<v Speaker 1>things that are going on at the moment, that's not

0:32:45.687 --> 0:32:50.727
<v Speaker 1>on my list of things that I find problematic. No, Like,

0:32:51.207 --> 0:32:55.087
<v Speaker 1>there's truth in stereotypes right often. And I'm only speaking

0:32:55.087 --> 0:32:57.327
<v Speaker 1>for myself, And again I haven't watched much of it,

0:32:57.407 --> 0:33:00.447
<v Speaker 1>so I don't know what's going to happen. But you know,

0:33:00.487 --> 0:33:06.567
<v Speaker 1>I think in these very mainstream blockbustery shows, there are

0:33:06.607 --> 0:33:09.207
<v Speaker 1>so many stereotypes that's kind of the point of them.

0:33:09.527 --> 0:33:12.087
<v Speaker 1>Like everyone is sort of reduced and there's like the

0:33:12.887 --> 0:33:15.727
<v Speaker 1>gay Asian best friend and you know, so it's like

0:33:15.887 --> 0:33:19.847
<v Speaker 1>there are many stereotypes of many different people. The thing

0:33:19.887 --> 0:33:22.327
<v Speaker 1>that I think is funny is that now the cool

0:33:23.167 --> 0:33:24.607
<v Speaker 1>job is being a podcast.

0:33:24.647 --> 0:33:26.767
<v Speaker 2>I know. And it's funny because her and her sister

0:33:26.807 --> 0:33:29.927
<v Speaker 2>are negotiating with Spotify to buy their podcast. In the

0:33:29.927 --> 0:33:33.207
<v Speaker 2>show Spotify like it's sex, sex, and Kristen Bell because

0:33:33.207 --> 0:33:35.127
<v Speaker 2>obviously she's getting a little bit cold feet because she's

0:33:35.167 --> 0:33:37.047
<v Speaker 2>about fall in love and she's like, it's not just sex,

0:33:37.087 --> 0:33:40.687
<v Speaker 2>it's feminism and blah blah blah, and she says to

0:33:40.727 --> 0:33:42.567
<v Speaker 2>her sister, we don't just want to be a call

0:33:42.607 --> 0:33:45.447
<v Speaker 2>your daddy knockoff, and her sister's like, no, God forbid,

0:33:45.447 --> 0:33:49.327
<v Speaker 2>that pays thirty five million dollars to get our show contemporary.

0:33:49.447 --> 0:33:52.527
<v Speaker 2>It's very contemporary. It's funny, it's cute. The chemistry is amazing.

0:33:52.567 --> 0:33:55.647
<v Speaker 2>And speaking of cheat codes, they said this on the

0:33:55.687 --> 0:33:58.327
<v Speaker 2>interview I saw, but their first kiss is billed as

0:33:58.367 --> 0:34:00.487
<v Speaker 2>the best kiss that either of them have ever had, right,

0:34:01.047 --> 0:34:03.887
<v Speaker 2>and it's supposed to be the most amazing kiss and

0:34:04.207 --> 0:34:07.087
<v Speaker 2>you can feel it through the screen. But she said

0:34:07.127 --> 0:34:11.007
<v Speaker 2>it was all about his hand on her face. So yeah,

0:34:11.847 --> 0:34:14.847
<v Speaker 2>speaking about cheat codes for life. Men and women just

0:34:14.927 --> 0:34:18.967
<v Speaker 2>need to know that that hand on face is hot, hot, hot,

0:34:19.007 --> 0:34:22.807
<v Speaker 2>hot hot. The chemistry is great. Anyway, that's my reco.

0:34:23.207 --> 0:34:28.807
<v Speaker 3>My reco is a documentary on Netflix and depressing. Look

0:34:28.847 --> 0:34:31.367
<v Speaker 3>I haven't watched the very very end yet, so I'm

0:34:31.447 --> 0:34:33.287
<v Speaker 3>unclear on that. But an out Louder put it in

0:34:33.287 --> 0:34:35.207
<v Speaker 3>the group over the weekend and was like, Jesse needs

0:34:35.247 --> 0:34:39.007
<v Speaker 3>to watch this. Oh my goodness, this show has blown

0:34:39.087 --> 0:34:42.247
<v Speaker 3>my mind. It's called Into the Fire The Lost Daughter,

0:34:42.487 --> 0:34:44.527
<v Speaker 3>and it's actually produced by Charlie's the Run.

0:34:45.967 --> 0:34:50.327
<v Speaker 10>She'd been missing twenty one years when they finally found me.

0:34:52.727 --> 0:34:54.767
<v Speaker 10>I was only seventeen years old when I put my

0:34:54.967 --> 0:34:58.167
<v Speaker 10>daughter of her adoption. Throughout my life, she's always in

0:34:58.167 --> 0:35:02.487
<v Speaker 10>my mind. When I found out she went missing, I thought,

0:35:02.487 --> 0:35:04.687
<v Speaker 10>I gotta find this kid alive. I don't care if

0:35:04.727 --> 0:35:07.207
<v Speaker 10>I have to walk over God's green Earth to do it.

0:35:08.327 --> 0:35:11.727
<v Speaker 10>If I couldn't do any nothing else for her, I

0:35:11.807 --> 0:35:12.447
<v Speaker 10>was going to do this.

0:35:13.847 --> 0:35:16.247
<v Speaker 3>And it's a two parter. It begins with a woman

0:35:16.327 --> 0:35:18.487
<v Speaker 3>named Kathy and she had a child when she was

0:35:18.527 --> 0:35:23.007
<v Speaker 3>sixteen who she placed for adoption. And it's complicated why

0:35:23.047 --> 0:35:24.767
<v Speaker 3>she made that decision. She was sort of pushed into

0:35:24.847 --> 0:35:27.927
<v Speaker 3>it by her mother, but she thought, I love this

0:35:28.047 --> 0:35:30.447
<v Speaker 3>baby and I want this baby to have the most

0:35:30.487 --> 0:35:33.607
<v Speaker 3>incredible life she can possibly have. She named the baby Alexis.

0:35:34.047 --> 0:35:36.127
<v Speaker 3>Wanted her to find the best family, and so the

0:35:36.167 --> 0:35:38.527
<v Speaker 3>agency said, we found this great family. So she goes

0:35:38.567 --> 0:35:40.127
<v Speaker 3>off to this family and she thinks about it every

0:35:40.167 --> 0:35:43.287
<v Speaker 3>single day, but it's a closed adoption, so she can't know.

0:35:43.487 --> 0:35:44.927
<v Speaker 3>And then she gets a letter in the mail. This

0:35:44.967 --> 0:35:48.007
<v Speaker 3>isn't a spoiler years and years later that says, Hi,

0:35:48.487 --> 0:35:50.807
<v Speaker 3>we're the adoption agency. We need a sample of your

0:35:50.887 --> 0:35:53.367
<v Speaker 3>DNA because a body has just shown up and we

0:35:53.407 --> 0:35:58.047
<v Speaker 3>think that it's your daughter and you're the only biological connection.

0:35:58.567 --> 0:36:01.367
<v Speaker 3>And so she's like, what has happened? And it turns

0:36:01.407 --> 0:36:03.807
<v Speaker 3>out that at fourteen her daughter went missing. So it's

0:36:03.847 --> 0:36:07.167
<v Speaker 3>anyone who has placed a child up for adoption your

0:36:07.207 --> 0:36:11.127
<v Speaker 3>worst nightmare. Now the re and why this is such

0:36:11.167 --> 0:36:14.847
<v Speaker 3>a fascinating documentary is because of Kathy, who has not

0:36:14.967 --> 0:36:17.487
<v Speaker 3>met this well, she didn't meet the charge. She saw

0:36:17.487 --> 0:36:19.487
<v Speaker 3>her last when she was about seven months old, but

0:36:19.927 --> 0:36:23.567
<v Speaker 3>fights to find out what happened, what the truth about

0:36:23.727 --> 0:36:27.527
<v Speaker 3>the family that she went to and uncovers all of

0:36:27.567 --> 0:36:29.687
<v Speaker 3>this stuff, like it's one of those documentaries that you're

0:36:29.727 --> 0:36:32.047
<v Speaker 3>sitting there and you just gasped. Luca and I were

0:36:32.087 --> 0:36:36.527
<v Speaker 3>just going, like the twists in the first episode are amazing.

0:36:36.087 --> 0:36:37.887
<v Speaker 1>And this is all real. When did that happen?

0:36:38.167 --> 0:36:40.567
<v Speaker 3>She got that letter in twenty ten, So it's about

0:36:40.567 --> 0:36:43.087
<v Speaker 3>what's been happening over really the last ten years.

0:36:43.727 --> 0:36:46.127
<v Speaker 1>It's just amazing, unusual shit.

0:36:46.207 --> 0:36:48.887
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. It is called Into the Fire The Lost Order,

0:36:48.927 --> 0:36:50.207
<v Speaker 3>and it is on Netflix.

0:36:52.727 --> 0:36:53.327
<v Speaker 1>Out loud as.

0:36:53.327 --> 0:36:55.087
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0:36:55.087 --> 0:36:57.687
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0:37:07.687 --> 0:37:13.287
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0:37:18.727 --> 0:37:21.447
<v Speaker 1>It's time for our best and worst moments of the week,

0:37:21.567 --> 0:37:25.607
<v Speaker 1>where we share a little more from our personal lives. Holly,

0:37:25.607 --> 0:37:27.967
<v Speaker 1>do you want to kick off? What's your worst of

0:37:28.007 --> 0:37:28.487
<v Speaker 1>the week.

0:37:28.767 --> 0:37:31.847
<v Speaker 2>My worst of the week is that my daughter, like

0:37:31.967 --> 0:37:34.247
<v Speaker 2>every fourteen year old in the world, I imagine, is

0:37:34.287 --> 0:37:37.127
<v Speaker 2>addicted to TikTok. That's where she gets all her world

0:37:37.167 --> 0:37:40.327
<v Speaker 2>news from. Sometimes This is helpful because it's like adore

0:37:40.607 --> 0:37:42.607
<v Speaker 2>into a topic I want to discuss. So she'll be like,

0:37:42.927 --> 0:37:45.567
<v Speaker 2>what's happening with Trump and Harris and the American election?

0:37:45.687 --> 0:37:47.607
<v Speaker 2>I want to know? Like I saw that he called

0:37:47.607 --> 0:37:49.567
<v Speaker 2>her a blah blah and she said blah, and I'm like,

0:37:49.887 --> 0:37:50.527
<v Speaker 2>teachable moment.

0:37:50.567 --> 0:37:51.047
<v Speaker 1>This is fun.

0:37:51.607 --> 0:37:55.767
<v Speaker 2>And sometimes it's just like a chaotic stream of conspiracy

0:37:56.487 --> 0:37:58.807
<v Speaker 2>that just makes you realize one of the many reasons.

0:37:58.607 --> 0:37:59.567
<v Speaker 1>Why the world is so weird.

0:37:59.567 --> 0:38:02.087
<v Speaker 3>But what I think I'm on Matilda's.

0:38:01.527 --> 0:38:02.527
<v Speaker 1>Ticto, I think you must be.

0:38:02.967 --> 0:38:05.567
<v Speaker 2>This week, in particular, we talked about the P. Diddy

0:38:05.807 --> 0:38:08.447
<v Speaker 2>allegations last week and the fact that he is currently

0:38:08.447 --> 0:38:11.847
<v Speaker 2>in jail and on an ever increasing slate of charges

0:38:11.927 --> 0:38:14.807
<v Speaker 2>of sexual abuse and sex trafficking and all kinds of

0:38:14.847 --> 0:38:19.087
<v Speaker 2>awful things. And Matilda's TikTok algorithm is clearly obsessed with this,

0:38:19.127 --> 0:38:21.447
<v Speaker 2>which is not great to start with, but it also

0:38:21.967 --> 0:38:25.287
<v Speaker 2>it's so blatantly misogynistic. Like so she'll sort of say

0:38:25.287 --> 0:38:27.607
<v Speaker 2>to me, so, what about that P Diddy stuff? And

0:38:27.647 --> 0:38:29.607
<v Speaker 2>I'll be like, oh God, And I'll be like, okay,

0:38:29.647 --> 0:38:31.167
<v Speaker 2>and let's talk about that a bit. And she's like,

0:38:31.647 --> 0:38:35.047
<v Speaker 2>I've heard that, like Beyonce knows about it, and Rihanna

0:38:35.127 --> 0:38:37.127
<v Speaker 2>knows about it, and it's all this person's fault and

0:38:37.127 --> 0:38:38.327
<v Speaker 2>that person's fault, and it's.

0:38:38.167 --> 0:38:40.047
<v Speaker 1>Always women, women, women, women women.

0:38:40.127 --> 0:38:42.527
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, and there's a big conspiracy about this

0:38:42.607 --> 0:38:44.407
<v Speaker 2>and this and this, and you're just like, whoa.

0:38:44.527 --> 0:38:47.567
<v Speaker 3>And there's a conspiracy theory about why Kanye got up

0:38:47.607 --> 0:38:50.407
<v Speaker 3>at the VMA yes and said I'm gonna let you

0:38:50.407 --> 0:38:54.447
<v Speaker 3>finish yep. And it's basically like Beyonce is at the center.

0:38:54.567 --> 0:38:56.407
<v Speaker 3>This is a conspiracy? Is it the center of the

0:38:56.447 --> 0:38:58.807
<v Speaker 3>p didy thing? I can't even fully follow it, but

0:38:58.927 --> 0:39:00.527
<v Speaker 3>my algorithm wants me to believe.

0:39:00.287 --> 0:39:02.487
<v Speaker 2>And it so it's like, this is what Matilda's saying

0:39:02.527 --> 0:39:04.527
<v Speaker 2>to me. The reason that everybody at the Grammy's always

0:39:04.527 --> 0:39:06.647
<v Speaker 2>thanks Beyonce is because they have to or they'll get murdered.

0:39:06.687 --> 0:39:10.767
<v Speaker 2>Like she's like, very it's this right ever escalating, and

0:39:10.807 --> 0:39:12.847
<v Speaker 2>so you're always trying to pull it back down. So

0:39:12.927 --> 0:39:15.167
<v Speaker 2>maybe we're trapped in the cargoing somewhere and that's great,

0:39:15.167 --> 0:39:17.087
<v Speaker 2>and I'll be like, so, you know, this is what

0:39:17.127 --> 0:39:18.847
<v Speaker 2>appears to have happened, and I'll be talking to her

0:39:18.927 --> 0:39:21.847
<v Speaker 2>about really serious things about how women can find themselves

0:39:22.927 --> 0:39:25.047
<v Speaker 2>abused in this situation, blah blah, blah blah. And she's

0:39:25.127 --> 0:39:26.927
<v Speaker 2>just like, yeah, but what about that, Taylor.

0:39:26.687 --> 0:39:30.207
<v Speaker 3>Swift just like, oh my god, we're all being radicalized,

0:39:30.367 --> 0:39:31.007
<v Speaker 3>all being.

0:39:30.887 --> 0:39:34.247
<v Speaker 2>Radicalized, and it's very hard to unpick like the good

0:39:34.327 --> 0:39:36.167
<v Speaker 2>the bad. And I know that it's easy to say, well,

0:39:36.207 --> 0:39:39.807
<v Speaker 2>she shouldn't be on TikTok, but TikTok's where they live,

0:39:40.527 --> 0:39:42.367
<v Speaker 2>so bring on the band so I don't have to

0:39:42.447 --> 0:39:46.047
<v Speaker 2>deal with this anymore. I don't think that's going to happen.

0:39:46.167 --> 0:39:48.887
<v Speaker 2>My best though, also involved spending time with kids, as

0:39:48.967 --> 0:39:51.487
<v Speaker 2>people who follow me know and indeed who listen to

0:39:51.487 --> 0:39:54.367
<v Speaker 2>this pod at and mid Is. We've been sponsored lately

0:39:54.367 --> 0:39:57.167
<v Speaker 2>by Discovery Parks, and this isn't a sponsorship, but it's

0:39:57.167 --> 0:39:59.247
<v Speaker 2>meant that we've gone away a couple of times, right,

0:39:59.287 --> 0:40:01.487
<v Speaker 2>which has been really nice as a family to go

0:40:01.567 --> 0:40:05.407
<v Speaker 2>away for weekends. And it's the school holidays, and I'm

0:40:05.487 --> 0:40:07.087
<v Speaker 2>up in Sydney a lot for work, and there's a

0:40:07.127 --> 0:40:08.967
<v Speaker 2>lot of time I don't get to spend with the kids,

0:40:09.007 --> 0:40:11.767
<v Speaker 2>and so so having these little concentrated moments where we're

0:40:11.767 --> 0:40:13.887
<v Speaker 2>all in the same place together has been amazing. We're

0:40:13.887 --> 0:40:16.087
<v Speaker 2>actually going on holiday, not anything to do with that

0:40:16.807 --> 0:40:19.607
<v Speaker 2>next week, And I don't know, I just love. I

0:40:19.647 --> 0:40:21.607
<v Speaker 2>know some people don't love holidays. Me as one of them.

0:40:22.127 --> 0:40:26.207
<v Speaker 1>I love and immorced togetherness.

0:40:25.607 --> 0:40:28.407
<v Speaker 3>Of a fact since becoming a parent, the amount of

0:40:28.447 --> 0:40:30.847
<v Speaker 3>people who say you never have a holiday again when

0:40:30.847 --> 0:40:32.927
<v Speaker 3>you're a parent, Do you agree or disagree?

0:40:33.007 --> 0:40:33.807
<v Speaker 1>Disagree? Now?

0:40:34.087 --> 0:40:36.167
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I saw Sally Heptath writing about this on

0:40:36.207 --> 0:40:39.527
<v Speaker 2>her Instagram recently. Actually, there's a moment that ticks over.

0:40:39.687 --> 0:40:43.087
<v Speaker 2>So when your kids are little, family holidays can just

0:40:43.127 --> 0:40:46.327
<v Speaker 2>be they're just relocations. You go somewhere and you've got

0:40:46.367 --> 0:40:48.047
<v Speaker 2>to follow them around all the time. You haven't got

0:40:48.087 --> 0:40:50.847
<v Speaker 2>all your usual distractions, you won't get a break.

0:40:51.207 --> 0:40:52.127
<v Speaker 1>But then there's a.

0:40:52.087 --> 0:40:53.887
<v Speaker 2>Magical point where it ticks over. And this is what

0:40:53.927 --> 0:40:55.847
<v Speaker 2>Sally was saying on hers like she used to look

0:40:55.847 --> 0:40:57.887
<v Speaker 2>at the women lying by Paul's reading books while their

0:40:57.967 --> 0:40:59.207
<v Speaker 2>kids frolicked.

0:40:58.767 --> 0:41:00.327
<v Speaker 1>And be like that bitch.

0:41:00.767 --> 0:41:03.727
<v Speaker 2>And She's like, now I'm that bitch, and I'm now

0:41:03.767 --> 0:41:05.927
<v Speaker 2>that bitch. So these trips we've gone on, there are

0:41:06.007 --> 0:41:08.167
<v Speaker 2>lots of things for the kids to do, and they

0:41:08.167 --> 0:41:10.367
<v Speaker 2>can go and do them and I actually get a holiday,

0:41:10.447 --> 0:41:15.007
<v Speaker 2>and so now it's much more enjoyable, relaxing, and you're

0:41:15.007 --> 0:41:18.367
<v Speaker 2>together and you haven't got all the distractions and they've

0:41:18.367 --> 0:41:19.527
<v Speaker 2>got to do this and I've got to do that,

0:41:19.567 --> 0:41:21.687
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know, it's nice to be reminded sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>that you like your family.

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<v Speaker 3>My worst was actually related to last week. I was

0:41:30.527 --> 0:41:32.167
<v Speaker 3>kind of under the weather and I just had a

0:41:32.167 --> 0:41:35.487
<v Speaker 3>lot going on last week and I finished recording for

0:41:35.527 --> 0:41:37.687
<v Speaker 3>Fridays out loud and I just felt like I'd done

0:41:37.687 --> 0:41:41.527
<v Speaker 3>a ship job and I was driving home and it's

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<v Speaker 3>one of the worst feelings in the world where you

0:41:43.887 --> 0:41:46.327
<v Speaker 3>just feel like you tried your best but you couldn't

0:41:46.327 --> 0:41:48.007
<v Speaker 3>give it one hundred percent that day, and you know

0:41:48.047 --> 0:41:49.487
<v Speaker 3>that if you recorded that or if you did that

0:41:49.487 --> 0:41:52.487
<v Speaker 3>piece of work on a different day, you'd have done better.

0:41:53.007 --> 0:41:55.607
<v Speaker 3>And I just felt I hate that feeling.

0:41:55.727 --> 0:41:57.887
<v Speaker 1>You know, this is where we have, of course, and

0:41:57.927 --> 0:41:58.567
<v Speaker 1>it will be mean.

0:42:00.967 --> 0:42:03.967
<v Speaker 3>Nought this week.

0:42:04.447 --> 0:42:06.287
<v Speaker 1>I always carrying.

0:42:07.327 --> 0:42:10.087
<v Speaker 3>It's just I've had with a few things. So the

0:42:10.167 --> 0:42:12.007
<v Speaker 3>few you know, whether it's an event or something, and

0:42:12.047 --> 0:42:14.247
<v Speaker 3>you walk off and you kind of go, oh, oh, my.

0:42:14.207 --> 0:42:17.167
<v Speaker 1>Best I don't have that. I get like God, I

0:42:17.247 --> 0:42:21.487
<v Speaker 1>was good. No, but I do like often after Friday Show,

0:42:21.727 --> 0:42:25.687
<v Speaker 1>I'll be like, God, I'm sick of myself. I'm sick

0:42:25.727 --> 0:42:28.807
<v Speaker 1>of my opinions, I'm sick of my voice, I'm sick

0:42:28.847 --> 0:42:31.527
<v Speaker 1>of my face. I'm just I need to be in

0:42:31.567 --> 0:42:35.887
<v Speaker 1>a dark room, not saying anything, just looking at Copenhagen

0:42:35.887 --> 0:42:39.287
<v Speaker 1>fashion video. So yeah, it's like that kind of yucky.

0:42:39.047 --> 0:42:41.727
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then I get stuck kind of ruminating on it.

0:42:41.887 --> 0:42:43.727
<v Speaker 2>You know what though, I'm just going to say, I

0:42:43.727 --> 0:42:46.087
<v Speaker 2>know it's like Pollyanna, but I was listening to people

0:42:46.127 --> 0:42:48.847
<v Speaker 2>talk about the football game that's this weekend, the NRL

0:42:48.887 --> 0:42:51.527
<v Speaker 2>Grand Final, and they're saying that Nathan Cleary, Mary Fowler's

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<v Speaker 2>boyfriend as we all know him, with a broken shoulder

0:42:54.367 --> 0:42:57.847
<v Speaker 2>as he has, it's still going to be better, all right, podcast, Yes,

0:42:58.087 --> 0:43:01.847
<v Speaker 2>like Nathan Cleary with a broken shoulder is better than no, Nathan, clearly,

0:43:01.927 --> 0:43:09.007
<v Speaker 2>Jesse Stevens. Yeah, fifty is still better than ninety, better

0:43:09.007 --> 0:43:09.847
<v Speaker 2>than you, better than me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, very often it's true. My best is it was

0:43:14.247 --> 0:43:21.247
<v Speaker 3>aforementioned Mia turned older this week turned fifty three. I

0:43:21.287 --> 0:43:24.087
<v Speaker 3>had a morning on Tuesday at home and I went,

0:43:24.167 --> 0:43:26.807
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna make this bitch of cake. Oh you're so nice,

0:43:26.967 --> 0:43:29.927
<v Speaker 3>because I am a tild wife now and this has

0:43:29.927 --> 0:43:33.167
<v Speaker 3>been a really interesting narrative clot point. But I was like,

0:43:33.247 --> 0:43:37.047
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna make trad lives make cake, and so I

0:43:37.127 --> 0:43:38.767
<v Speaker 3>told me it's daughter. I was like, I'm gonna make

0:43:38.767 --> 0:43:40.847
<v Speaker 3>a cake because I had to make it real. And

0:43:40.927 --> 0:43:43.767
<v Speaker 3>she said this is me as favorite cake because in

0:43:43.807 --> 0:43:46.007
<v Speaker 3>my head I was going to make a really simple cake.

0:43:46.047 --> 0:43:47.647
<v Speaker 3>But then she was like, this is me as favorite cake.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness. It was the most complicated.

0:43:50.687 --> 0:43:53.687
<v Speaker 1>It's literally called simple I know that's true. It's called

0:43:53.727 --> 0:43:56.767
<v Speaker 1>simple chocolate cake. It's a taste recipe and I literally

0:43:56.807 --> 0:43:59.887
<v Speaker 1>googled simple chocolate cake and it got me this recipe

0:43:59.887 --> 0:44:03.047
<v Speaker 1>and it was so yummy. Yeah when I made it.

0:44:03.007 --> 0:44:05.007
<v Speaker 3>Yes, when you made it, So you have to do

0:44:05.047 --> 0:44:07.127
<v Speaker 3>something on a stove. Anyway, I tried really really hard.

0:44:07.167 --> 0:44:09.247
<v Speaker 3>But what point did I know what had gone wrong?

0:44:09.527 --> 0:44:11.287
<v Speaker 3>I think when I poured it into the cakedin I

0:44:11.367 --> 0:44:13.247
<v Speaker 3>knew it was too thin, and then I went ittle

0:44:13.327 --> 0:44:15.327
<v Speaker 3>rise in the oven, but it didn't. So it kind

0:44:15.367 --> 0:44:18.807
<v Speaker 3>of looked like a brownie but tasted like frisbee.

0:44:18.927 --> 0:44:22.367
<v Speaker 1>But but what strange is where the rest of the

0:44:22.447 --> 0:44:25.727
<v Speaker 1>cake was because I've made that cake with that mixture,

0:44:26.327 --> 0:44:28.967
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, I think the problem is you didn't

0:44:29.007 --> 0:44:30.247
<v Speaker 1>put in self raising flower.

0:44:30.287 --> 0:44:31.807
<v Speaker 3>I think that's what we did. So what I did

0:44:31.887 --> 0:44:34.047
<v Speaker 3>is I'm patty. I made the cake and I brought

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<v Speaker 3>it over. And this is why it's my best is

0:44:35.887 --> 0:44:38.207
<v Speaker 3>because I was thinking on the way over, there are

0:44:38.247 --> 0:44:40.647
<v Speaker 3>so many women with their mother in laws who would

0:44:40.647 --> 0:44:43.887
<v Speaker 3>be terrified, who would have a mother in law who

0:44:43.967 --> 0:44:46.487
<v Speaker 3>would really judge them for whether or not they're cooking

0:44:46.487 --> 0:44:48.807
<v Speaker 3>a good meal, or whether or not their baby is

0:44:48.807 --> 0:44:51.927
<v Speaker 3>wearing dirty clothes, which often is all that kind of stuff.

0:44:51.967 --> 0:44:54.767
<v Speaker 3>And I thought, I am so lucky that this will

0:44:54.807 --> 0:44:58.287
<v Speaker 3>inevitably become a joke, And like I didn't actually feel

0:44:58.287 --> 0:45:00.967
<v Speaker 3>any pressure because I knew that it was the act

0:45:00.967 --> 0:45:03.007
<v Speaker 3>of trying to make a cake that would innately be

0:45:03.127 --> 0:45:06.167
<v Speaker 3>funny and that Maya would appreciate that. So then when

0:45:06.167 --> 0:45:08.047
<v Speaker 3>we cut the cake, we all just sat around trying

0:45:08.087 --> 0:45:10.367
<v Speaker 3>to guess what made it shit, which it was like,

0:45:10.527 --> 0:45:11.367
<v Speaker 3>is their eggs?

0:45:11.567 --> 0:45:13.247
<v Speaker 1>And then she also brought M and M's and she

0:45:13.407 --> 0:45:15.207
<v Speaker 1>icd it icing was delicious. I ate all of it.

0:45:15.407 --> 0:45:17.487
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to put a photo of the cake in

0:45:17.527 --> 0:45:19.727
<v Speaker 1>the out Louders newsletter this week.

0:45:19.767 --> 0:45:21.487
<v Speaker 3>Maybe people can tell from looking at it what it

0:45:21.567 --> 0:45:22.007
<v Speaker 3>was missing.

0:45:22.447 --> 0:45:24.447
<v Speaker 1>And the thing is that it should have been my

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<v Speaker 1>best actually of the week because no one else made

0:45:27.687 --> 0:45:29.727
<v Speaker 1>an effort, Like I don't know if it's men in

0:45:29.767 --> 0:45:32.607
<v Speaker 1>every family, just men in my family. They don't even understand.

0:45:33.127 --> 0:45:36.247
<v Speaker 1>So Coco the night before put streamers up everywhere and

0:45:36.287 --> 0:45:39.127
<v Speaker 1>blew up some balloons so that when I downstairs, Coco

0:45:39.247 --> 0:45:41.887
<v Speaker 1>made an effort and she doesn't live in her house anymore,

0:45:42.167 --> 0:45:45.527
<v Speaker 1>and Jesse made an effort. Luca did not even write

0:45:45.527 --> 0:45:47.687
<v Speaker 1>me a card, and cards are my thing, like all

0:45:47.727 --> 0:45:49.967
<v Speaker 1>I ask for is cards, like I don't expect anything.

0:45:50.327 --> 0:45:52.247
<v Speaker 1>And the fact that Jesse did that when I know

0:45:52.367 --> 0:45:54.607
<v Speaker 1>that cooking like that was just such a.

0:45:54.447 --> 0:45:57.807
<v Speaker 3>Big made you a cake I was.

0:45:58.407 --> 0:46:00.687
<v Speaker 1>It's the best. It's the best tasting cake of it

0:46:00.687 --> 0:46:02.207
<v Speaker 1>that I know, but it's the best cake.

0:46:02.167 --> 0:46:08.287
<v Speaker 3>It ever as a cake. So self phrasing flour is

0:46:08.287 --> 0:46:09.207
<v Speaker 3>different flour yep.

0:46:10.007 --> 0:46:11.967
<v Speaker 2>I wonder what it says about you if because Maya

0:46:12.247 --> 0:46:14.327
<v Speaker 2>always says she can't cook, but she can bake, and

0:46:14.447 --> 0:46:16.447
<v Speaker 2>I can cook, but I can't bake. So it's like

0:46:16.487 --> 0:46:18.727
<v Speaker 2>I wonder there are bakers and there are cookers, right

0:46:19.687 --> 0:46:22.207
<v Speaker 2>If I can make a pasta sauce like nobody's business,

0:46:22.207 --> 0:46:24.367
<v Speaker 2>but I cannot bake a cake to save myself.

0:46:24.367 --> 0:46:24.847
<v Speaker 3>The thing that.

0:46:24.807 --> 0:46:27.327
<v Speaker 1>I reassured Jesse is that even if you make a

0:46:27.367 --> 0:46:30.127
<v Speaker 1>shit cake, it's still a cake. So people aren't that

0:46:30.247 --> 0:46:31.887
<v Speaker 1>sad because they can eat the icy.

0:46:31.767 --> 0:46:33.407
<v Speaker 3>And I don't think it'll make you sick. Like, I

0:46:33.447 --> 0:46:35.007
<v Speaker 3>don't think there was anything that bad.

0:46:35.207 --> 0:46:39.247
<v Speaker 1>No, it was fine. My worst of the week was

0:46:39.607 --> 0:46:44.287
<v Speaker 1>I had to go and get my driver's license renewed,

0:46:44.847 --> 0:46:46.967
<v Speaker 1>and so I had to get a new photo and

0:46:47.127 --> 0:46:49.167
<v Speaker 1>I went early because my son had to get his

0:46:49.967 --> 0:46:52.807
<v Speaker 1>l's And that's been really fun too, driving with him.

0:46:52.807 --> 0:46:54.967
<v Speaker 1>That's I've forgotten that that is actually quite fun, although

0:46:54.967 --> 0:46:56.407
<v Speaker 1>that we're at the beginning of our one hundred and

0:46:56.447 --> 0:46:59.167
<v Speaker 1>twenty hours, so talk to me after one hundred more hours.

0:46:59.487 --> 0:47:01.967
<v Speaker 1>So he had to go to the RTA whatever it's called,

0:47:02.007 --> 0:47:04.927
<v Speaker 1>the motoristue place, and I was like, oh, come as well,

0:47:04.967 --> 0:47:07.367
<v Speaker 1>and I'll get renew my deals. Anyway, we thought we'd

0:47:07.367 --> 0:47:09.247
<v Speaker 1>miss the crowds. It was Saturday morning. We were like

0:47:09.327 --> 0:47:12.367
<v Speaker 1>the first ones there, like first minute that it opens.

0:47:12.847 --> 0:47:14.887
<v Speaker 1>I just got up. I had a cup of tea,

0:47:14.927 --> 0:47:16.527
<v Speaker 1>but I wasn't gonna be like put makeup and a

0:47:16.607 --> 0:47:19.927
<v Speaker 1>showers just like in my like trackies and like whatever.

0:47:20.447 --> 0:47:22.247
<v Speaker 1>You know how when you sometimes look and you just go,

0:47:22.967 --> 0:47:25.167
<v Speaker 1>I just look natural. I just look like, you know,

0:47:25.647 --> 0:47:26.487
<v Speaker 1>fresh natural.

0:47:26.767 --> 0:47:28.767
<v Speaker 3>I look like myself, like I look by myself.

0:47:28.767 --> 0:47:34.447
<v Speaker 1>So I did my picture whatever license arrived, and I like,

0:47:34.527 --> 0:47:37.447
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a vain person as people say when they

0:47:37.487 --> 0:47:39.407
<v Speaker 1>say that I'm on Instagram with no makeup and everything

0:47:39.407 --> 0:47:42.167
<v Speaker 1>like that, but I was. I recoiled and I was

0:47:42.247 --> 0:47:44.647
<v Speaker 1>actually I think I need to put this in the

0:47:44.687 --> 0:47:48.167
<v Speaker 1>bin and get another one. And is that just too vain?

0:47:48.247 --> 0:47:49.767
<v Speaker 1>Because it is so upsetting.

0:47:49.927 --> 0:47:52.527
<v Speaker 2>Remember how I'm Vernham said that there's a whole service.

0:47:52.607 --> 0:47:55.247
<v Speaker 1>Now that now I understand. I always didn't understand it,

0:47:55.327 --> 0:47:57.847
<v Speaker 1>and now I understand it out louders. We also will

0:47:57.847 --> 0:48:00.967
<v Speaker 1>put a photo of my driver's license photo in the

0:48:01.327 --> 0:48:04.567
<v Speaker 1>newsletter show I would like people to showed us.

0:48:04.607 --> 0:48:06.887
<v Speaker 2>And my first thing that I said to you, because

0:48:06.887 --> 0:48:08.567
<v Speaker 2>it was true and you need to tear it, is you.

0:48:08.487 --> 0:48:10.687
<v Speaker 1>Don't look that because you know what that that shock

0:48:10.727 --> 0:48:12.527
<v Speaker 1>of like this is how I think I look and

0:48:12.567 --> 0:48:15.127
<v Speaker 1>then there's that and you're like, wait, is that how

0:48:15.167 --> 0:48:16.047
<v Speaker 1>I actually look?

0:48:16.207 --> 0:48:18.127
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and we needed to confirm to you the person

0:48:18.127 --> 0:48:20.127
<v Speaker 3>in that picture isn't you. And then when we did

0:48:20.207 --> 0:48:22.407
<v Speaker 3>watch the substance and they're a bit where she turns

0:48:22.407 --> 0:48:25.087
<v Speaker 3>into what I've been described as a Gollum like character.

0:48:25.567 --> 0:48:27.327
<v Speaker 3>There was a lot of yelling look at me as.

0:48:29.687 --> 0:48:31.607
<v Speaker 1>I had lots of fun putting that. It was an

0:48:31.647 --> 0:48:34.247
<v Speaker 1>all agree about my driver's license. For my best of

0:48:34.247 --> 0:48:38.607
<v Speaker 1>the week is loosely related. My parents are doing the

0:48:38.647 --> 0:48:40.647
<v Speaker 1>great nomad thing a bit this year. They keep taking

0:48:40.687 --> 0:48:45.287
<v Speaker 1>trips and they keep getting flat times. I mean, he's

0:48:45.487 --> 0:48:47.847
<v Speaker 1>just every time I speak to them, they are by

0:48:47.887 --> 0:48:52.847
<v Speaker 1>the side of a road somewhere in Australia, waiting for help.

0:48:53.967 --> 0:48:57.887
<v Speaker 1>And so this week it was they were I don't

0:48:57.887 --> 0:48:59.487
<v Speaker 1>even know where they are, somewhere in the South Coast,

0:48:59.567 --> 0:49:01.967
<v Speaker 1>somewhere somewhere. Because it was my birthday, they rang me

0:49:02.047 --> 0:49:03.487
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, guess where we are and I'm like,

0:49:03.527 --> 0:49:05.487
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I forget where you've gone. I wasn't

0:49:05.487 --> 0:49:08.287
<v Speaker 1>paying attention, and they're like, we're by the side of

0:49:08.327 --> 0:49:11.007
<v Speaker 1>the road waiting. And last time I had Dad had

0:49:11.007 --> 0:49:12.927
<v Speaker 1>to change a tire and so I spoke to them

0:49:12.927 --> 0:49:15.967
<v Speaker 1>today and she was like, you know, just keeps us occupied.

0:49:15.967 --> 0:49:18.927
<v Speaker 1>What would we do if we didn't have these exciting adventures?

0:49:19.287 --> 0:49:21.407
<v Speaker 3>So, yeah, what do you talk about. They've been married

0:49:21.407 --> 0:49:23.807
<v Speaker 3>a long time this way and it's all about.

0:49:23.607 --> 0:49:28.047
<v Speaker 1>The tire team, Gray Nomad caravan. They should. They don't

0:49:28.087 --> 0:49:30.487
<v Speaker 1>have a caravan. They need something that they can shelter

0:49:30.607 --> 0:49:32.407
<v Speaker 1>in when they're by the side of the.

0:49:32.327 --> 0:49:34.447
<v Speaker 2>Red And I get into that phase of life now

0:49:34.447 --> 0:49:36.447
<v Speaker 2>where when we see caravans, we'll like to think that's

0:49:36.487 --> 0:49:37.247
<v Speaker 2>the one we'll go on.

0:49:37.487 --> 0:49:39.287
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the one you need, like a motor home.

0:49:39.327 --> 0:49:41.127
<v Speaker 1>I think, because you don't want to toe something. It's

0:49:41.127 --> 0:49:41.967
<v Speaker 1>a long way away.

0:49:42.007 --> 0:49:42.567
<v Speaker 3>Don't worry.

0:49:42.647 --> 0:49:43.927
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, it's in my future.

0:49:44.127 --> 0:49:46.567
<v Speaker 3>There is a world of caravan TikTok waiting for you.

0:49:46.767 --> 0:49:48.207
<v Speaker 3>I will say that it's a great place.

0:49:48.407 --> 0:49:51.047
<v Speaker 1>You've got some weird tiktoks. So if you want to

0:49:51.087 --> 0:49:53.767
<v Speaker 1>see all of those photos, the birthday cake, the driver's license,

0:49:53.807 --> 0:49:55.447
<v Speaker 1>there's a link in the show notes. If you're not

0:49:55.487 --> 0:49:58.647
<v Speaker 1>already subscribed to our newsletter, thank you out loud ers

0:49:58.647 --> 0:49:59.847
<v Speaker 1>for being with us this week.

0:49:59.887 --> 0:50:02.127
<v Speaker 2>We will see you next week of course, and a

0:50:02.167 --> 0:50:05.567
<v Speaker 2>big thank you to our team executive producer Ruth Devine,

0:50:05.607 --> 0:50:08.727
<v Speaker 2>whose cheap tap is throwing people's names in the freezer

0:50:08.807 --> 0:50:10.647
<v Speaker 2>if they had what I do that?

0:50:10.887 --> 0:50:13.447
<v Speaker 3>Ha ha, Yeah you freezing? Oh my love does this?

0:50:13.567 --> 0:50:16.127
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, put them in the freezer. But literally, yeah, you

0:50:16.167 --> 0:50:18.087
<v Speaker 1>write a piece of paper, yeah, and you put them

0:50:18.127 --> 0:50:19.847
<v Speaker 1>in the freezer. You like, she's going in the freezer.

0:50:20.007 --> 0:50:23.487
<v Speaker 3>Oh he in the Mighty grand famously did it to

0:50:23.607 --> 0:50:26.927
<v Speaker 3>someone and they got very sick. And then she stopped

0:50:26.927 --> 0:50:28.727
<v Speaker 3>doing it because she got scared that it was actually working.

0:50:28.767 --> 0:50:32.447
<v Speaker 1>It's meant to sort of take their power away from you. Yeah.

0:50:32.607 --> 0:50:35.247
<v Speaker 1>I think they can't affect you anyway. Yeah, I like

0:50:35.327 --> 0:50:36.847
<v Speaker 1>a ship. Nor really scared of you.

0:50:36.927 --> 0:50:39.927
<v Speaker 3>Oh you're in freezers all over the country.

0:50:40.287 --> 0:50:43.367
<v Speaker 2>Seeing a producer Evelyn Gazillas, who swears by not sweating

0:50:43.367 --> 0:50:43.967
<v Speaker 2>the small.

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<v Speaker 3>So I can tell that's why she's a producing.

0:50:47.167 --> 0:50:50.887
<v Speaker 2>Way that she could be through life when things don't

0:50:50.887 --> 0:50:53.167
<v Speaker 2>go away. She tells herself that show is to like

0:50:53.327 --> 0:50:56.687
<v Speaker 2>the food. Audio produces Leo Porgies, who swears by writing

0:50:56.727 --> 0:50:57.607
<v Speaker 2>an email first ship.

0:50:57.687 --> 0:50:59.367
<v Speaker 1>That's very smart. I always do that too.

0:50:59.447 --> 0:51:02.127
<v Speaker 2>Lee is very clever and our social media producer is

0:51:02.127 --> 0:51:04.567
<v Speaker 2>Isabelle Dolphin. His cheak code is not my monkey.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good one too.

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<v Speaker 10>Bye bye.

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