WEBVTT - Is My Toddler Ready For A Big Bed?

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<v Speaker 1>We acknowledged the traditional custodians of the land. We're recording

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<v Speaker 1>on today. Making my bed in the morning annoying enough,

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<v Speaker 1>making their bed too. Yeah, but you don't have to.

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<v Speaker 2>This is one of those things where people put stupid

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<v Speaker 2>pressure and expectations on themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you do have to make it a little bit. No,

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<v Speaker 1>go and have a look at mine. Oh, let me

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<v Speaker 1>go have a look later.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, and welcome back to Eat, Sleep, Shit, Repeat, a wildly.

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<v Speaker 1>Unhinged podcast about the madness that is motherhood and everything

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<v Speaker 1>in between. Named Kelley McCarran. I'm Kiri cels. I just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to start the episode off by thanking everyone for

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<v Speaker 1>the love feedback. We love that you're picking out what

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<v Speaker 1>we're putting down. So on the show today, is my

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<v Speaker 1>toddler ready for a big bed? We asked you. Shit

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<v Speaker 1>is about your experiences, advice, and any regrets you had

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<v Speaker 1>around the transition, and the feedback was really eye opening.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get to that a little later, but first it

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<v Speaker 1>is my turn for peek and Pit. So oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't even know where it's starting with. Ohls Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we're starting with the pit, so we have to start

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<v Speaker 1>with the pit.

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<v Speaker 2>So we end happy. So my main pit really is

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<v Speaker 2>Lenny's feelings. And you know what, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about that anymore. It's boring to me, and get it.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think I'd rather tell everyone a real tale

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<v Speaker 2>of misfortune. Okay, that sort of like comes off the

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<v Speaker 2>back of my last pit, which is where I spoke

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<v Speaker 2>about how bad my hangovers I've got and he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>that is absolutely not allowed to be your pit, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, well it is because as someone who

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<v Speaker 2>prides themselves on their ability to party, not being able

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<v Speaker 2>to is a pit. Yeah, okay for you, Yes, of

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<v Speaker 2>course for me, So yes, shall I tell you about

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<v Speaker 2>a recent hangover that was so bad, so mortifying that

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<v Speaker 2>it really made me question all of my life decisions basically, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I am a thirty five year old woman, Yeah, making

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<v Speaker 2>these sorts of life choice. Had a friend's birthday, went out,

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<v Speaker 2>had a great time. I don't know what the hell

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<v Speaker 2>I do. Think it was partially the fault of the champagne.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always a champagne for a crappy quality champagne. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>even worse because I didn't actually drink that much. It

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<v Speaker 2>was just really poor quality champagne. Had a huge dinner

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<v Speaker 2>like there was not yeah, the usual factors that could.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you stop drinking pretty early on right? Not too

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<v Speaker 1>late at all?

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<v Speaker 2>It was like eleven thirty twelve, yeah, yeah, was home

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<v Speaker 2>in bed by two, not too late. I love that

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<v Speaker 2>there are some people listening that are like that is

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of the night.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was staying at my girlfriend's house, Thank the Lord,

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<v Speaker 2>because if I'd been woken up by my toddler that morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoo or the recommendation for the no, what is I

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<v Speaker 1>love a sleepover an adult sleepover.

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<v Speaker 2>So I woke up in the morning and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't good. And my friend's partner, who's also my friend,

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<v Speaker 2>he bought me in a coffee and he was.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like sort of hovering over me.

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<v Speaker 2>He like put the coffee next to the bed, and

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<v Speaker 2>then he's like, can I go get you a baraka?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want some paodole some paracetamol? And I'm like no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm whine.

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<v Speaker 2>I just need to suffer in silence right here. And

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<v Speaker 2>then next minute it's like eleven forty five and I'm thinking, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>my goodness, you've just been rushing in your friend's spare

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<v Speaker 2>room all morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Yuck.

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<v Speaker 2>They've got a baby, and Hannah was also in just

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<v Speaker 2>a world of pain. They didn't care at all. They

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<v Speaker 2>were like, come downstairs, continue you're rot down here. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, no, no, I need to go home. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I live twenty minutes away. Yeah, I need to go home. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And so I like collect my things and then I

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<v Speaker 2>walk to the car. The car is maybe two minutes

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<v Speaker 2>down the road, like it's not a far walk at all.

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<v Speaker 2>And I get to the car and I'm so dizzy

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<v Speaker 2>and so unwell that I have to lay in the car.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a busy street in Redford. There were people

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<v Speaker 2>walking by. And then I'm rushing in my car with

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<v Speaker 2>my legs in the air, with the seat all the

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<v Speaker 2>way back.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like, oh, your legs in the air. With my

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<v Speaker 1>legs in the air because I was so sick. They're dizzy, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then maybe half an hour passes. They're probably at

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<v Speaker 2>home thinking Okay, I must be home and in bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank god. No, I'm still out inside with my legs

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<v Speaker 1>in the air. They turned on find my friends and

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, she's literally a block away. Water is going on.

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<v Speaker 2>They go for a walk to get coffee, a wholesome.

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<v Speaker 2>A wholesome walk with their baby to go get coffee,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, it's like Curl's legs. Anyway, Eventually I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>you're fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I knew I wasn't over because I'd stopped drinking

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<v Speaker 1>at this point fifteen hours ago or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, So it was just that I was so

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<v Speaker 2>on well, so I thought, no, no, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>drive home. I'm driving along and I thought, oh no,

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't good. Oh no, And I'm in a tunnel.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no way to pull over. There's not even one

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<v Speaker 2>of those little emergency they need more emergency.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't even pull over in them. They're so scary.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had too many a time.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, Yeah, I'm a vomita anyway, and I'm driving along

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<v Speaker 2>and it happens, and I swerve. It wasn't safe. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>here to tell the tail so it's okay. But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>vomiting all over myself, all over the wheel, all over

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<v Speaker 2>the dashboard, all over my body, all over the floor, everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I just have to continue to drive home

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<v Speaker 2>because what am I going to do?

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<v Speaker 1>Pull over on the side of the freeway. Quick question,

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<v Speaker 1>whose car are you in?

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<v Speaker 2>That's another part of the story. So because I was

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<v Speaker 2>like being single and driving to.

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<v Speaker 1>Go party for the night, I was like, I'm taking

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<v Speaker 1>the Spots Carr, which is Luke's work car. Luke had

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<v Speaker 1>so proudly cleaned that car to within an inch of

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<v Speaker 1>its life the weekend prior, because he'd been taking it

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<v Speaker 1>for a service, and he was like, actually so proud,

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<v Speaker 1>Come and have a look at how clean my car is.

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<v Speaker 1>And then even the next day he's, Oh, it's so

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<v Speaker 1>clean and shiny. You're like, yeah, So I'm in Luke's car.

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<v Speaker 2>Vomiting all over myself. If it had been in my

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<v Speaker 2>car Lens had avomit in it before.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's already got a bit of a stench to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Does Lukeska have leather seats? It's not fabric, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>not leather in between you, I guess I do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry things back the cleaning sake. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So I pull in at home and I just am

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<v Speaker 2>in a world of pain, just feeling so ashamed. A

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five year old vomiting because she's so unwell from

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<v Speaker 2>her own decisions, poor decisions the.

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<v Speaker 1>Night before, vomiting while driving. Did you see my meme

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<v Speaker 1>that I posted.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't give anyone on Instagram details, but I posted a

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<v Speaker 2>meme where it was like the saw doll riding home

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<v Speaker 2>with runners going past, and it's like me or my

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<v Speaker 2>after making questionable life decisions.

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<v Speaker 1>The night before, du.

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<v Speaker 2>Luke and Lenn were napping, which I knew, so I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>I reckon, maybe I can get away with this. I

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<v Speaker 2>sneak inside and I didn't want to go into the bedroom,

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<v Speaker 2>so I just found like Luke's old jym clothes, like

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<v Speaker 2>dirty gym clothes. Because I had to take my clothes

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<v Speaker 2>were covered with vomit. Had to take them off, put

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<v Speaker 2>them in the sink, put the gym clothes on, get

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<v Speaker 2>their cleaning stuff, go back outside. Cleaned it to within

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<v Speaker 2>an inch.

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<v Speaker 1>Of its life. Every single chump, cranny, chunk, yuck, yuck cranny.

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<v Speaker 1>Look everything I'd had, not Joe's the night before. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to know those details. I can imagine

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<v Speaker 1>without prompts.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why my body hadn't digested. It had

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<v Speaker 2>been a long time, so that happened. I finally get

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<v Speaker 2>it all clean, put everything in the bin.

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<v Speaker 1>It's spick and span.

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<v Speaker 2>Wash the vomit off my shoes with the hose like

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<v Speaker 2>it's just done. And then I'm sort of like trudging

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<v Speaker 2>back towards the front door. So Luke's a big person,

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<v Speaker 2>so wearing his like oversized stinky old gym clothes, trudging

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<v Speaker 2>back to the house holding my cleaning equipment, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>just standing at the front door, I can imagine, with

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<v Speaker 2>his arms crossed over his chest watching me.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, were you sick in my car? Indeed, I

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<v Speaker 1>was so everywhere. Oh, it was everywhere. It stinks far

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<v Speaker 1>out and he goes, that's my bedroom, that's my second

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<v Speaker 1>bedroom because he sleeps in there in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, moral of the story is question your life, choices.

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<v Speaker 1>Question the question. My mouth urts from like laughing, like

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<v Speaker 1>my jaw.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank god Luke took lend to his brother's house

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<v Speaker 2>that afternoon so I could continue my rot on the

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<v Speaker 2>lounge just watching Bridgeton. And then at one point I

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<v Speaker 2>was too sick to even lie there and watch Bridgeton,

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<v Speaker 2>so I had to just staring at the ceiling bleak.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're two sick, to like watch something, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to lay there and stare thoughts, and you're just like

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<v Speaker 2>and you're really questioning your life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah. Anyway, so bleak. Did he forgive you about

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<v Speaker 1>the car? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Oh he's very forgiving. He doesn't give a shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's so true. Also, I did do a really

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<v Speaker 1>good job, Cleanny. He said it didn't smell at all. Peak.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's move on to peaks. So small one is that

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<v Speaker 1>my mom and dad got a puppy. Stop. I was

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<v Speaker 1>asking you about this not long ago, and you were like,

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<v Speaker 1>not too sure whether they were going to do it

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<v Speaker 1>or not.

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<v Speaker 2>They finally bit the bullet got a puppy. Mazie is

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<v Speaker 2>a cream colored Border Collie.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop. Oh my god, she's so cute. We are yet

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<v Speaker 1>to meet her.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently she's very nippy and absolute lunatic.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's so funny hearing Dad.

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<v Speaker 2>He'll be like, oh, this dog's on meth, like it's

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<v Speaker 2>going crazy, and I'm like, she's a puppy.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she's forgotten that puppies are lunatics. They are crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>like you do forget because yeah, I don't know. Most

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<v Speaker 1>people have really well behaved dogs, right, because you can't

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<v Speaker 1>have an unruly dog, so you just completely forget about puppy. Puppy.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to teach them it's teeth. Yeah, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to teach them how to be a well behaved human.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Lena is gonna he is going to

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<v Speaker 2>He just loves looking.

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<v Speaker 1>At the photos so far, so I really want to

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<v Speaker 1>go up soon. But the main peak is we have.

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<v Speaker 2>Found a good marriage counselor I'm really thrilled.

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<v Speaker 1>How ha ha Okay, so Key has known the whole

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<v Speaker 1>drama over the marriage counsel that really didn't like me

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<v Speaker 1>that much, that blamed everything on me. He was a nightmare.

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<v Speaker 1>He canceled all of our session, like super religious, which

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<v Speaker 1>is fine, but if you're not religious, I'm not religious.

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<v Speaker 2>He was taught to me about horsemen all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, bro, I'm just like, what does the

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<v Speaker 2>horseman have to do with it?

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, he was just not it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I thought that he'd just given up on

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<v Speaker 2>us because he canceled our sessions.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, well, our marriage counsel has gotten

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<v Speaker 1>rid of this because he's no hope, no hope.

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<v Speaker 2>And I expressed my disappointment when they set us up

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<v Speaker 2>with this new bloke.

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<v Speaker 1>I love him. Oh that's so good.

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<v Speaker 2>We got more out of one session with him than

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<v Speaker 2>we had for six months with Gustaff.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, Gustuff, do you reckon? It was long service live.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely something has gone down with good stuff. So Scott

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<v Speaker 2>the new bloke is fantastic. Both of us agreed that

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<v Speaker 2>we got so much out of it, and because I

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<v Speaker 2>complained so vigorously, they've given us six sessions for free.

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<v Speaker 1>If that doesn't say scandal, I don't know what. But

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<v Speaker 1>also if that doesn't say pick girl. And he actually

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<v Speaker 1>seems to like me and he keeps like so freaking short,

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<v Speaker 1>so anyway that we're not paying people to be mean

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<v Speaker 1>and just actively dislike us and tell me to stop

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<v Speaker 1>being a horseman. All right, let's move on to our

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<v Speaker 1>deep dive. It's our meaty topic of the day. When

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<v Speaker 1>to leave the safety of a cot aka bby jail

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<v Speaker 1>for the independence of a bed aka our worst nightmare?

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<v Speaker 1>Were so not in ingredients on this. So the topic

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<v Speaker 1>came up when one of my mother's group friends called Maria,

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<v Speaker 1>had said she had moved her son to a bed

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<v Speaker 1>and was looking for advice, and our jaw was on

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<v Speaker 1>the floor because we were like, why did you do that?

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<v Speaker 1>And she was like, we were overseas and you know

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<v Speaker 1>when you're on holiday it's so much easier to pull

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<v Speaker 1>them into bed with you, and that he just created

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<v Speaker 1>a habit. And then when he got home he basically

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<v Speaker 1>refused to cot, so it was a bed And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, Okay, totally get it, but I have no

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<v Speaker 1>adverse for you, because that sounds hectic? Is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I want to do it going right? I mean no,

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily. Well, you'll be surprised because I thought that too.

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<v Speaker 1>And the more I thought about it, the more confused

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<v Speaker 1>I was as to why they don't just keep making

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<v Speaker 1>cots that are bigger size so we can keep them

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen years old.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one way to keep them at home at night

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<v Speaker 2>lit sneaking out literally what's them in for the evening?

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that's a crime crime turn it really has.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you couldn't already guess what our current thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>are on doing this. We're a little bit hesitant, but

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you might jump into even All right, Well

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<v Speaker 1>tell me about you, cal what are your thoughts on it? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously it needs to be done at some point, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're pretty not even going to open that can of worms.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that it is so dependent. I mean, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get more into this when we hear from the shitters

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<v Speaker 1>and talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>Different people's experiences. It's so dependent on the kid. If

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<v Speaker 2>Lenny was flipping himself out of the cot, which would

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<v Speaker 2>be alarming because it's dangerous, then I would consider Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>If getting him to sleep in a cot was an

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<v Speaker 2>absolute punish, then I would consider it. Like, there are

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<v Speaker 2>so many things that we're just not there, so I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't care. And there's no baby on the way,

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<v Speaker 2>like I think for a lot of people they've said

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<v Speaker 2>that we wanted to move the toddler into the cop

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<v Speaker 2>before the baby came or whatnot. He's not there and

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<v Speaker 2>there's no problem with it.

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<v Speaker 1>He quite likes it.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes in there to play sometimes when I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>the room, and then the game involves me throwing.

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<v Speaker 1>Could mister elephant come in? Yes, and he goes in.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he likes to play in the cot with

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<v Speaker 1>all of his toys. But he's not scared of the cot.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't scream. He we do our nighttime routine, which

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<v Speaker 2>involves he has a milk when we read some stories,

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<v Speaker 2>and then happily he'll get his sack down. He gets

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<v Speaker 2>into his sack and then and he will point to

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<v Speaker 2>bed and say bed he wants to go into the cot,

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<v Speaker 2>But then I mean, I'm making it sound like an

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<v Speaker 2>absolute dream. It's because then I lie next to him

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<v Speaker 2>when we sing the Stinky song about twenty different times,

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<v Speaker 2>about twenty different people. Yes, And I will lie there

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<v Speaker 2>with him on the floor until he goes to sleep,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not like when he wakes up in there,

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<v Speaker 2>he's like get it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes when I go in there in the morning, then

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<v Speaker 2>he lies back down plays with his dummies, and the

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<v Speaker 2>cot isn't a bad place to him.

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<v Speaker 1>No, if it was, then you'll be looking at doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what it is. And that's what most

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<v Speaker 1>people said that it was very much their decision was

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<v Speaker 1>informed by whatever situation that they were in and the

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<v Speaker 1>type of personality that they had. For me, I am

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<v Speaker 1>obviously the last of my girlfriends to have a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>So I start to see one by one they're like

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<v Speaker 1>moving the baby to the bed, and I'm like, oh god,

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<v Speaker 1>this sounds like it's really scary. And then we go

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<v Speaker 1>through really bad patches with Rue's sleep sometimes like she's

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<v Speaker 1>super clean at the moment, so bedtime's are nightmare. And

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<v Speaker 1>you hear stories of how when people move their kids

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<v Speaker 1>from the cock to the bed that sometimes it fixes

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<v Speaker 1>their sleep. And I'm like, oh, that does sound quite interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>But a lot of people say all the experts say,

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<v Speaker 1>and we didn't want to get an expert on to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this because I think that like just hearing

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<v Speaker 1>from shit is and how vary the experience is actually

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<v Speaker 1>not like an actual expert led matter. It's not just

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<v Speaker 1>trust your gut. And that's what it showed because experts

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<v Speaker 1>say that cognitively just emotionally three plus is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the age that you should do it. But from all

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<v Speaker 1>of the shit is, it showed that there was success

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<v Speaker 1>over all different ranges. The younger ones did have a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit less success. But let's go through all of

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<v Speaker 1>it now, because I think it's actually really interesting. Well

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<v Speaker 1>what are your thoughts are though that you not ready yet?

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<v Speaker 1>Not ready yet? But I'm also like, the thing with

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<v Speaker 1>Rue is some things with her have been easy ish,

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<v Speaker 1>like she's just party training, like potty training, and I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if the bed's easy, I would kind of like the

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<v Speaker 1>bed because I struggle lifting her up into the cot. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's also quite annoying to settle her, like so

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<v Speaker 1>if you could just jump into bed with her, if

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<v Speaker 1>I could jump into bed with her, it'd be great.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I've also got to be ready for the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that she's going to be getting up potentially and then.

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<v Speaker 2>Just coming into bed with you, going and helping herself

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<v Speaker 2>to snacks exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>But I guess, But I wonder, like would this be okay?

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<v Speaker 1>And is this the right time, because I say, like,

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<v Speaker 1>if your kids showing signs, I don't think there are

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<v Speaker 1>signs per se with this. I think it can be

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<v Speaker 1>led by the kid from what I'm reading from the

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<v Speaker 1>shit is. But I'm thinking, if there's a sweet spot

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<v Speaker 1>to do it, do I just take the opportunity and

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<v Speaker 1>give it a crack or do I leave it until

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<v Speaker 1>the last minute? And then is it going to be

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<v Speaker 1>even harder because she's going to be really attached to

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<v Speaker 1>the cot and not want to make the move. Because

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<v Speaker 1>that can happen as well. Yeah yeah, yeah, they can.

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<v Speaker 2>Like not want to get a big girl, big boy bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Well what happens is it's the safety of the cot

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<v Speaker 1>being a smaller space going into a big bed. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like too much space?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you have? Because I think that can help.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have one that can be converted into a

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<v Speaker 1>toddler bed. The should as have said some of them

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<v Speaker 1>are like, it's better going straight to a big bed,

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise you've got to do the transition again.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which I just think that like with my sister,

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<v Speaker 2>she with EV, they've struggled a lot. What they do though,

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<v Speaker 2>is that they'll just pull the side off and on.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's really easy to put off and on. So

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<v Speaker 2>if she's been too difficult and just constantly getting up

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<v Speaker 2>through the night and coming into their bed, they'll put

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<v Speaker 2>it back on and be like, no, you've lost your privileges.

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<v Speaker 1>You're back in jail.

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<v Speaker 2>Because she'll be like, I'm just gonna tiptog back in

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<v Speaker 2>to see you guys, and they're like, well, okay, back

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<v Speaker 2>into baby Joe, you go.

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<v Speaker 1>That's actually a really good point though, like if it's

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<v Speaker 1>easy enough to get on and off, you could just

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<v Speaker 1>give it a red hot crack.

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<v Speaker 2>A red hot crack and give them that independence and

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<v Speaker 2>I guess grown upness of having the side off and

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<v Speaker 2>then well, if you're not going to follow the rules,

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<v Speaker 2>which is that you stay in bed unless something's wrong

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<v Speaker 2>or whatnot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, then you will get it put back on. I actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it depends how people feel about punishments or

0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:12.200
<v Speaker 2>riberry that sort of thing, because that's what Lenny's bed

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<v Speaker 2>is too. It's one of the ones that goes into

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<v Speaker 2>a todd the bed and then ends up being an

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<v Speaker 2>actual bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it was a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>More expensive than some of them that were on the market,

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<v Speaker 2>but I wanted him to have that option. However, he's

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<v Speaker 2>so tall that I don't actually think we'll ever get

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<v Speaker 2>to a stage where it could be used as a

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<v Speaker 2>bed because it's still a smaller bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just jump into these response cases. I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about a lot of the stuff that we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be talking about again. Even with such varied ages

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<v Speaker 1>and experiences, overwhelmingly should have said that they did not

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<v Speaker 1>regret making the move, which yeah, I thought was it's

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<v Speaker 1>not really something you can regret. Well, no, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>coming in every single night. Even the people that said

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<v Speaker 1>they probably went a little bit too early were like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's actually good now in the long run, it's been great.

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<v Speaker 1>So the average age was two and a half to

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<v Speaker 1>three years, but we also had people as young as

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<v Speaker 1>twelve months, and the old was for there were also

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of moms who I wanted to shout out,

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<v Speaker 1>who were like, they're still for we're not moving them.

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<v Speaker 1>The reasons we kind of touched on some of them

0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:09.680
<v Speaker 1>another baby on the way to the cotch. They also

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to do before the other baby arrived, so it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't lots of change all at once. Experts say to

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<v Speaker 1>do it three months before or after any other big change,

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<v Speaker 1>so a lot of people try and get that out

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<v Speaker 1>of the way. Also, if you're doing potty training, that's

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<v Speaker 1>another thing to consider. Not to do all of that

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<v Speaker 1>at once. You kind of want to break it up

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<v Speaker 1>too long or outgrew the cot which I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>lend reason, well, for his third birthday, you might want

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<v Speaker 1>to consider it to he might have to pull him out.

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<v Speaker 1>They started climbing out, which is obviously a huge safety thing.

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<v Speaker 1>They just didn't like the cot Some kids just didn't

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<v Speaker 1>like them, so I think the younger ones that was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the reasoning for moving them so young.

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<v Speaker 1>The parents were tired of laying on the floor to resettle.

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<v Speaker 1>Families that co slept interestingly went straight to a normal bed,

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<v Speaker 1>which makes sense, but the transition seemed to be better

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<v Speaker 1>for a floor bed, so smart.

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<v Speaker 2>Or they'll put the playpen then with just the mattress

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<v Speaker 2>on the floor of the playpen so the kid can't

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<v Speaker 2>get out still and hurt themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>So smart. It's like a floor cot. Yeah, but it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that a lot. The

0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:14.000
<v Speaker 1>parent can still get in it with them because it's

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<v Speaker 1>a big space. Yeah. And I think the one that

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's probably hoping happens, the kid was requesting a big bed.

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<v Speaker 2>Also with the kids flipping themselves out a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the time, that must be because they don't have their

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<v Speaker 2>sacks on anymore, because apparently kids can start getting crossed

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<v Speaker 2>and don't want to go into a sack.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, ye yeah. A lot of the mums in

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<v Speaker 1>here were like we had to because they refused a

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<v Speaker 1>sack and were climbing out. And then one of the

0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:39.159
<v Speaker 1>mums actually did give us a tip and said, if

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<v Speaker 1>they're refusing the sack, turn it around backwards so that

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<v Speaker 1>they can't get it off. Oh yeah, And then they said,

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<v Speaker 1>we then loves getting any sack. He's such but I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't made it a big thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Then we're going into the sack now and it's like

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<v Speaker 2>it's cozy.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I would. I'm not gonna lie. Oh, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>love to sleep in a big seit. It's like those

0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:00.720
<v Speaker 1>big snuggle coat things. Anyway, this one I thought was

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<v Speaker 1>really good, and I actually did think of you, because

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<v Speaker 1>whenever you say like that, you lay there and have

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<v Speaker 1>to pat him and stuff. So they said we were

0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:08.760
<v Speaker 1>literally spending hours on the floor of her room patting

0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:10.840
<v Speaker 1>her through the cot. I was well over it. We

0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:13.000
<v Speaker 1>had tried to sleep train like three times and it

0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:15.880
<v Speaker 1>worked for short periods but always reverted back. We moved

0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:17.560
<v Speaker 1>into a double bed with a rail up and I

0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:19.359
<v Speaker 1>lay next to her to go to sleep. Then can

0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:20.920
<v Speaker 1>lay with her when she wakes during the night, and

0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:23.840
<v Speaker 1>it's so much better. That was like music to my

0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:26.760
<v Speaker 1>ears because although I'm not having to get up as

0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:29.560
<v Speaker 1>much like obviously we have bouts of it. I would

0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:31.200
<v Speaker 1>like to just stay in there and sleep the rest

0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:33.440
<v Speaker 1>of the night, because I've got no problem with sleeping

0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:37.040
<v Speaker 1>with you exactly. I sleep as well, but I think

0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:39.560
<v Speaker 1>you would. The older they get, I think it's the yeah,

0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:42.439
<v Speaker 1>Sarah gets to sleep with them. We have our little

0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:46.880
<v Speaker 1>play couch thing in rose room and like six foot four,

0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:48.919
<v Speaker 1>Charlie is like, bring me a blanket and a pillow,

0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:51.000
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, good luck, and I've slept on that

0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:52.600
<v Speaker 1>thing before. It is cold.

0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's so much like me, though you've said that.

0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:57.359
<v Speaker 2>He also will put his headphones on, play on his

0:21:57.400 --> 0:21:59.560
<v Speaker 2>phone there. I have a glass of red under the.

0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:03.159
<v Speaker 1>Cod reach in which is spilt the other night and

0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:05.040
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I told you, Brady read wine egg

0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:08.119
<v Speaker 1>can all be cleaned? You don't have white carpets. You're

0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:11.760
<v Speaker 1>not silly, It's so true. Okay, So transition, the timing

0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:15.359
<v Speaker 1>was super varied. Like potty training, it really depended on

0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:18.080
<v Speaker 1>the type of kid you had, their personality, and I

0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:21.399
<v Speaker 1>think also just like how able you were to hold

0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:23.960
<v Speaker 1>your ground at two or three am in the morning,

0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:26.800
<v Speaker 1>that really came into play. What do they mean hold

0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:29.000
<v Speaker 1>your ground? Well, you know when they get up and

0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:32.680
<v Speaker 1>they're like mom, momum, so we just pullinian. Well no,

0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:34.720
<v Speaker 1>they're like you have to put them back into their

0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:37.400
<v Speaker 1>bed because their bed is their space. Like they're gonna

0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:39.760
<v Speaker 1>keep getting up because now they're like, oh, I can

0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:42.760
<v Speaker 1>get one. I can do that. So that was the

0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:44.800
<v Speaker 1>main thing. It was like, well, we had to be

0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:48.040
<v Speaker 1>really defined in those moments. And when you're half asleep.

0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:52.800
<v Speaker 1>You just like the willpower. It's a new form of

0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:55.840
<v Speaker 1>sleep training. I guess it is, yes, but some people

0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:59.359
<v Speaker 1>take to it pretty quickly and some continue to wait.

0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:01.880
<v Speaker 1>But all of the parents preferred resettling in a bed

0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:02.720
<v Speaker 1>versus a cot.

0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:05.680
<v Speaker 2>I think just I think everyone would write it's way

0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:06.400
<v Speaker 2>more comfortable.

0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Definitely. There was lots of success with setting up the

0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:11.000
<v Speaker 1>bed and letting them initiate the move.

0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:13.640
<v Speaker 2>So fun if you do it for their birthday. M's

0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:15.600
<v Speaker 2>doing it for Evye's birthday this year.

0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:17.680
<v Speaker 1>She's four. Yeah, she's so.

0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Excited to like make Evy's room really cute and like

0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:21.359
<v Speaker 2>big girl bed.

0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:23.560
<v Speaker 1>And that's what a lot of the parents said. It

0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:26.000
<v Speaker 1>was like we didn't want to push it on them,

0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:28.120
<v Speaker 1>so it was like a lot of talking about it. Yeah,

0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:30.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot of parents took them to choose, Oh God,

0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:33.720
<v Speaker 1>chose the bed. Money woud choose a bloody car? Well.

0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:35.159
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I wouldn't let them choose the bed,

0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:37.240
<v Speaker 1>but then a lot of parents would like choose the linen.

0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Even then I don't mind that. I'm like, get into

0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:41.160
<v Speaker 1>that because you.

0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Don't have a small boy that loves cars.

0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:46.879
<v Speaker 1>I have one that loves whales and snails. Oh that's cuteles.

0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:50.040
<v Speaker 1>That's I don't know why it's cute, but me, I'm buying,

0:23:50.040 --> 0:23:57.160
<v Speaker 1>like Paisley, Yeah exactly, I'm like taking them talking about

0:23:57.200 --> 0:23:59.240
<v Speaker 1>it and the lead up to it a little. It's

0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:03.040
<v Speaker 1>all over the can you imagine I'll be like, get

0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:07.399
<v Speaker 1>for really aggressive sheets, but they look like flies, So

0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:09.400
<v Speaker 1>I had I just let that be a daycare. Thanks

0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:11.160
<v Speaker 1>every time I put her in there, like that looks

0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:12.080
<v Speaker 1>so rank.

0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:14.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to sleep with bugs. No, exactly, just

0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:15.960
<v Speaker 2>send sheets to daycare.

0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:19.959
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, your daycare is so straight, we know, Okay, setting

0:24:19.960 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 1>it up like obviously if you've got the space being

0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:24.160
<v Speaker 1>able to set it up, or if you're moving them

0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:26.680
<v Speaker 1>to their big girl room or big boy room out

0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:29.280
<v Speaker 1>of the nursery setting it up and jumping at some

0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:31.720
<v Speaker 1>people's houses, well, sorry I keep interrupting it, but I'm

0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:33.600
<v Speaker 1>just like that. I've got a lot of thought. Some

0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:37.480
<v Speaker 1>people don't live rich in Sydney and they're rich, or

0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:38.920
<v Speaker 1>they do and they just live in normal.

0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh this is his nursery and then this is his bedroom.

0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, the nursery can sometimes be like the little office

0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:46.280
<v Speaker 1>that they've set up as a nursery, right, so they

0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:49.680
<v Speaker 1>talk the second office. You've got a little office. We're

0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:51.880
<v Speaker 1>in it right now. Oh, you're gonna put a kid

0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:56.159
<v Speaker 1>in the garage? I met cold. I mean them as

0:24:56.240 --> 0:24:58.439
<v Speaker 1>much in European countries they like leave them out in

0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:00.520
<v Speaker 1>the pram and the cold. It helps with the it's

0:25:00.560 --> 0:25:02.440
<v Speaker 1>a thing. I need to show it to you, because

0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:04.639
<v Speaker 1>I reckon I'll blow your mind. But yeah, letting them

0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:07.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of just see it there and then slowly show

0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:09.600
<v Speaker 1>interest and then they seem to be a bit more

0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:11.960
<v Speaker 1>comfortable with it. And I think a lot of the

0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:15.720
<v Speaker 1>parents said that. There's also a bit of transitioning from

0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:18.199
<v Speaker 1>the room, like even the room to the bed. So

0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:20.520
<v Speaker 1>having the separate spaces, if you have the room set up,

0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:22.479
<v Speaker 1>is nice for them to kind of go between. And

0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:23.919
<v Speaker 1>often they'll be like, I want to sleep in the

0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:26.760
<v Speaker 1>big bed, and then that's kind of it. It's okay.

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:29.639
<v Speaker 1>Led by them. One of the really good tips on

0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:31.600
<v Speaker 1>here was that they got a single bed with a

0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:35.840
<v Speaker 1>trundle for two reasons, so clever. A lot of the

0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:38.639
<v Speaker 1>concern over kids obviously moving to a bed is that

0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:40.320
<v Speaker 1>they roll out of bed and you can get those

0:25:40.400 --> 0:25:44.480
<v Speaker 1>side things. It's not that high. It's not that high normal,

0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:47.679
<v Speaker 1>but still I think it can be dangerous. So and

0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:50.680
<v Speaker 1>it can also just wake them up and wake everyone up. Yeah, true, right,

0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 1>and if you do going really well in the bed,

0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:54.560
<v Speaker 1>then they might get a little bit scared from the bed,

0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:57.640
<v Speaker 1>so we want to try and avoid it, saying so yeah,

0:25:57.680 --> 0:25:59.600
<v Speaker 1>they said the trundle was really good in that respect,

0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:01.480
<v Speaker 1>and also so if you have to go and resettle them,

0:26:01.480 --> 0:26:03.520
<v Speaker 1>you just pull out the trundle to lay on. So

0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:07.880
<v Speaker 1>I was like, all right, we're getting a trundle. Also goodmazing. Yes,

0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:11.720
<v Speaker 1>they are also good. Uncle Sam sleep on the trot.

0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:16.000
<v Speaker 1>He's a real hoot in the morning. He's a real hoot.

0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:19.399
<v Speaker 1>So I asked about experts and advice, and most people

0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:22.840
<v Speaker 1>did it without any help, which was reassuring. I think

0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:25.320
<v Speaker 1>they asked friends, they asked Google. With us Mother's group.

0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:27.760
<v Speaker 1>There were a couple of Instagram pages so family centered

0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:31.160
<v Speaker 1>Sleep and Baby Sleep Consultant, and a few people did

0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:35.040
<v Speaker 1>follow the Montessori philosophy for holistic sleep, which is like

0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:37.960
<v Speaker 1>putting the bed on the floor and having like toys

0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:40.040
<v Speaker 1>out to encourage them. If they get up, that's fine,

0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:42.080
<v Speaker 1>if they wake up, but that they go and get

0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:43.600
<v Speaker 1>their toys and they play and then they kind of

0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:45.560
<v Speaker 1>go back to sleep. So instead of like waking up

0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:47.800
<v Speaker 1>mom and dad. Is my idea of it. Anyway that

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:51.120
<v Speaker 1>sounds like heaven. Yeah, well must be nice. It must

0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:51.720
<v Speaker 1>be nice.

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:57.120
<v Speaker 2>My girlfriend she's got like freak children unicorns.

0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:02.119
<v Speaker 1>If they wake up before seven am, or even maybe

0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 1>at seven am, if she's not ready to get up,

0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:06.960
<v Speaker 1>she can hear them and she'll just jump on their

0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:09.719
<v Speaker 1>individual monitors and tell them to play quietly in their

0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 1>room until she comes and gets them. And they do. Wait,

0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:14.840
<v Speaker 1>they don't even play together. They just they've all got

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:16.159
<v Speaker 1>their own room. Rich people.

0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:21.000
<v Speaker 2>They just sit in their rooms and play and until

0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:22.240
<v Speaker 2>mum comes and gets them.

0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:24.680
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people said that they use the grow clock.

0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:26.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you've heard about this. I've heard

0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:29.320
<v Speaker 1>about this. So it's a clock that lights up and

0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:34.040
<v Speaker 1>has different symbols to basically signify nighttime and then daytime

0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:36.000
<v Speaker 1>as to when they're allowed to get out of bed.

0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:38.640
<v Speaker 1>So if you say you can't get out of your

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:41.119
<v Speaker 1>bed until that goes to orange and there's a sun,

0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:43.480
<v Speaker 1>they're going to be just looking at that clock being like,

0:27:43.600 --> 0:27:47.400
<v Speaker 1>can't get out of bed. Sometimes they hop out of bed,

0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:49.639
<v Speaker 1>so that's like a good thing. My niece Margo uses

0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:51.320
<v Speaker 1>that and then Gem's like, I need to just put

0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:52.840
<v Speaker 1>it forward an hour so she sleeps in.

0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:55.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just make her stay in there for walker.

0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:57.800
<v Speaker 1>But a lot of people say that that was really helpful.

0:27:58.119 --> 0:28:00.240
<v Speaker 1>I asked it as would they recommend doing it, and

0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:02.520
<v Speaker 1>they all said yes, it creates more of a sleep

0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:06.199
<v Speaker 1>association and their own sleep space, and they felt that

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:08.720
<v Speaker 1>their kids felt less trapped in a bed versus cot,

0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 1>and that they were much calmer around bedtime, so it

0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:12.080
<v Speaker 1>was a bit more enjoyable.

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:14.119
<v Speaker 2>Like that would be awful if your kids kicking off

0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:16.760
<v Speaker 2>about having you to bed every night, Like oh.

0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:18.399
<v Speaker 1>I know, And I didn't even think about that, Like

0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:20.680
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's just not in the realm of thought

0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:22.879
<v Speaker 1>of moving them that early. I remember being like so

0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:25.199
<v Speaker 1>overwhelmed with the thought of moving them from the bassinette

0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:26.800
<v Speaker 1>to the cot, like, oh, this is going to fuck

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:28.879
<v Speaker 1>up the sleep so bad, but not thinking that if

0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:31.439
<v Speaker 1>you didn't have a great sleeper, the benefits of it,

0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:34.199
<v Speaker 1>because it's like how you have your weird quirks around

0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:39.600
<v Speaker 1>like noise or whatever. It's a what do you mean

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:41.920
<v Speaker 1>my weird quirks around noise, Like when I come over

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:43.320
<v Speaker 1>and I haven't seen you in a week, I'm so

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:45.640
<v Speaker 1>excited to see you, and you're like, I'm just gonna

0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:47.920
<v Speaker 1>work with my headphones. Okay, I did that once because

0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:50.560
<v Speaker 1>you were editing something and I couldn't concentrate while you

0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:53.320
<v Speaker 1>were editing something without headphones. Yeah I know, But like

0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:55.400
<v Speaker 1>that's what I mean is that everyone's got there. It

0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter what age you are. You like your half

0:28:57.960 --> 0:28:58.840
<v Speaker 1>around sounds.

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:01.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll be like, do you mind just turning your

0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:04.080
<v Speaker 2>notifications off because she'll be sitting there and it'll be.

0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 1>Like ing ing ing. She goes, Oh, is it loud? Yes,

0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:12.760
<v Speaker 1>But it's the same thing, right, It's like a sensory thing.

0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:15.000
<v Speaker 1>I think it's the same with kids. So it's just

0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:16.720
<v Speaker 1>a great option. I feel like if you're struggling with

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 1>sleep like that. When I was reading this, I was like,

0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:20.520
<v Speaker 1>anyone who struggled with sleep, I just want them to

0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:22.840
<v Speaker 1>read this and maybe this could be a good solution.

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Listen to them podcast exactly exactly. But then there were

0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:28.280
<v Speaker 1>some people who did it and hated it, which I

0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:33.280
<v Speaker 1>think we should touch on because.

0:29:31.480 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 2>The few people that I've talked to about this, or

0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:37.000
<v Speaker 2>have just told me their experiences. Their kid ends up

0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:41.480
<v Speaker 2>in their room every night, yeah, waking them up as well.

0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:45.000
<v Speaker 1>As one person said, why did you start? We're on

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:47.680
<v Speaker 1>holiday and my husband thought it'd be a great idea

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 1>to let them sleep in a bed. Yeah, great work

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:53.400
<v Speaker 1>on that one. Oh, and she's like, I definitely wouldn't

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 1>have started. So I don't think that it's going to

0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:57.720
<v Speaker 1>work for everyone. It's not necessarily going to be an

0:29:57.760 --> 0:29:59.720
<v Speaker 1>easy thing. But I guess it's just how much you

0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:01.320
<v Speaker 1>want it and how much the kid responds to it.

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 1>But the best advice that I read was if it's

0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 1>not working, go back to the cot exactly.

0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:09.120
<v Speaker 2>It's not like a once you do something. It's kind

0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:11.040
<v Speaker 2>of like once you start potty training. It's not like

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:13.080
<v Speaker 2>you have to never put them in a nappy again.

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Well I think it's a bit easier with that because

0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 1>you're like, I'm putting them back in a nappy because

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:19.560
<v Speaker 1>there's piss and shit everywhere. But with sleeping, I feel

0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:23.920
<v Speaker 1>like sometimes as a parent, you put these crazy expectations

0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:26.000
<v Speaker 1>on what you're doing, and you try to make them

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:28.120
<v Speaker 1>behave in a certain way or act in a certain way.

0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:31.040
<v Speaker 1>And you don't give yourself as much leniency. Like if

0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:32.760
<v Speaker 1>you're not putting a nappy on them and they're refusing

0:30:32.760 --> 0:30:34.240
<v Speaker 1>to potty train, of course you're going to put a

0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:36.520
<v Speaker 1>nappy on them because that's gross. But I think with

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:39.000
<v Speaker 1>something like sleep, you try to persevere. But also sleep

0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:42.360
<v Speaker 1>deprivation at any age or stage is so shit. So

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 1>just remember that you have the opportunity to revert back.

0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:49.240
<v Speaker 1>They're not ready. They're not ready. You know something that

0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:52.280
<v Speaker 1>I didn't. They were like, I wouldn't do it again.

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:54.720
<v Speaker 1>Beds get jumped on and need making every day delay

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<v Speaker 1>as long as possible. I did not think about that,

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<v Speaker 1>Like making my bed in the morning annoying enough, making

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<v Speaker 1>their bed too. Yeah, but you don't have to.

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<v Speaker 2>This is one of those things where people put stupid

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<v Speaker 2>pressure and expectations on themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you do have to make it a little bit. No,

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<v Speaker 1>go and have a look at mine. Oh you don't

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<v Speaker 1>make your bed every day? You're saying, that's okay. I

0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:17.000
<v Speaker 1>do sometimes, but every time I've come over your bed's mate.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I probably do most of the time, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't if I don't want to, And this morning

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want.

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<v Speaker 1>To oh, let me go have a look later.

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<v Speaker 2>It's horrid, but I don't care. I like that is

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<v Speaker 2>a good point though for people.

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<v Speaker 1>For people that are clean, someone said hate sometimes they

0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:37.440
<v Speaker 1>don't actually realize they can get out of the bed themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>So don't tell them that they can, because I think

0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:41.840
<v Speaker 1>you go into it being like, now, don't you get

0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:44.360
<v Speaker 1>out of that bed? But if you just don't mention it,

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<v Speaker 1>because there were a lot of people whose kids got

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<v Speaker 1>it straight away, who just didn't get.

0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Out of bed because you never said anything exactized. Because

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<v Speaker 2>we've got to remember that they are so simple minded.

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<v Speaker 2>I say that with love like that might not even

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<v Speaker 2>cross their thoughts exactly.

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 1>So you don't want to plant that seed. It's like, yeah,

0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:04.360
<v Speaker 1>this is your bed, this is where you stay this week.

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<v Speaker 1>You stay till we come and get you. Yeah, the

0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:09.719
<v Speaker 1>floor is lava. Well, you don't want to touch the floor.

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Floor's got bugs on it. And then I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>end on. They will trash the room and explore and

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<v Speaker 1>that is normal and fine and I love. The other

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<v Speaker 1>suggestion was is like set their room up for that,

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<v Speaker 1>so safe play without you. There a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>said put a baby gate on the door. Because if

0:32:26.520 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 1>you don't want to sleep with the door shut, like

0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:32.760
<v Speaker 1>roose doors always open. What and my door's open through

0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:35.000
<v Speaker 1>the night? Yeah? Doesn't she wake up as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>there's a moment of light in the morning or if

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 1>you get up to the toilet. No, I've got blackout.

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 1>It looks so povo. I just couldn't call it. It looks like,

0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, dive past the house and you're like, I

0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:49.280
<v Speaker 1>think that chrome is committed. No, I think they're cooking

0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:55.200
<v Speaker 1>metal have a bad sleeper, Like, what even is it?

0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:56.400
<v Speaker 1>It's like our foil.

0:32:56.800 --> 0:32:59.160
<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's not actually ol foid though, but it's silver

0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:01.560
<v Speaker 2>sticky stuff that I have got like laminate.

0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like book covering basically. Yeah.

0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, the ego baby sells it. I got some too.

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:08.760
<v Speaker 2>It's no, I got my shit from buddings. It is

0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:12.520
<v Speaker 2>heavy duty. I need to put a photot because we

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 2>will die. That is like on the outside of my

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:17.920
<v Speaker 2>house to stop a shmidge of light getting into that

0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:18.800
<v Speaker 2>child's room.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing. All kids are different, right, And that's

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<v Speaker 1>I think because otherwise, Op, the birds are awake, I'm awake.

0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:28.440
<v Speaker 1>What I took away from this and one of the

0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:30.520
<v Speaker 1>ladies and it had like three kids, and she was like,

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<v Speaker 1>my one piece of advice would be that for the

0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:35.920
<v Speaker 1>first kid, I stress so much about all of the

0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 1>transitions bassinett to cot to bed. For the second one,

0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 1>I can't even remember when I put them in a bed,

0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:43.880
<v Speaker 1>and the third one we're coasally being and choose two

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:44.400
<v Speaker 1>and a half.

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:47.040
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So it's something that you probably don't need to

0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 2>stress about the way that you are.

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. I think it's just like take it in

0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:54.560
<v Speaker 1>your stride, let them lead it, buy a bed or

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:57.360
<v Speaker 1>take the wall off. Like I love that suggestion of

0:33:57.360 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 1>what your sister does, and I think that's maybe something dry.

0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 1>But what I loved about those shit is is that,

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:06.360
<v Speaker 1>similar to the potty training episode, we know what we're doing,

0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:09.080
<v Speaker 1>we know our kids. If we start it and it's shit,

0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:12.440
<v Speaker 1>just stop, go back to the cot. But just ease

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:15.319
<v Speaker 1>into it and don't let it be too overwhelming and

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:17.640
<v Speaker 1>too scary. Of course, it's going to be stressful, because

0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:21.360
<v Speaker 1>everything to do with parenting is, but especially sleep sleep

0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:24.439
<v Speaker 1>so true, sleepy stressful. So I think it's a real

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:28.520
<v Speaker 1>consideration for parents. But you can always go back to

0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:32.960
<v Speaker 1>what was working before them back in baby jail. Read

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:33.520
<v Speaker 1>the tips.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so these are collated from the shitters. You do

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:40.680
<v Speaker 2>not need a fancy bed. You don't need a car bed.

0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:43.040
<v Speaker 2>I love that you get a second hand one of

0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:45.000
<v Speaker 2>gum Tree maybe splosh.

0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's a skin. It's the skin, the

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:52.400
<v Speaker 1>skin thing. What did I say earlier? Skin blankets, the

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:55.399
<v Speaker 1>shedding of the skin, skin bits on blankets you can't

0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:56.319
<v Speaker 1>wash and you're just kind of like.

0:34:57.080 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, slowly introduced, so it's not a shocked the system.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe don't do what I did with moving Lenny

0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:05.120
<v Speaker 2>from the snow to the cot.

0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:07.839
<v Speaker 1>Oh you just did that. Cold Tricky literally.

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:12.239
<v Speaker 2>Went from our room in the snow to his own

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:13.960
<v Speaker 2>room in a cot with the sleep trainer.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, sorry about that.

0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:19.399
<v Speaker 2>Put a gate on the door, as you said, and

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<v Speaker 2>just do it. Give it a go, especially if the

0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:24.960
<v Speaker 2>cot isn't working for you. And as Key has already

0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:27.520
<v Speaker 2>pointed out, stick to the boundaries you set even at

0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:28.360
<v Speaker 2>three am in the morning.

0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:30.320
<v Speaker 1>So you probably need to do it when things aren't.

0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:33.399
<v Speaker 2>Too stressful for you at work or in other things

0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:35.000
<v Speaker 2>that you're going through in life at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, anything that we ever talk about with kids that

0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:40.160
<v Speaker 1>are like you both have to be ready. It's been

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:42.839
<v Speaker 1>a good time for both of you. Exactly. Just wanted

0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:44.239
<v Speaker 1>to say thanks to the shitters for all of those

0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 1>lovely responses.

0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:47.040
<v Speaker 2>They're so helpful. I find it so much.

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:49.680
<v Speaker 1>They're so funny.

0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:52.239
<v Speaker 2>That's why we love everyone so much, because it's like

0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 2>such a fun mum's group.

0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, it's just fun and loosen and like, why

0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:57.920
<v Speaker 1>I talk to an expert when we've got like you know,

0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:00.600
<v Speaker 1>sometimes we need well sometimes we you need to. But

0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 1>when we've got this wealth of knowledge.

0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:10.239
<v Speaker 2>From other mums exactly, other parents, we should say, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, keep moving on to your recommendation for the week.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be a little bit cheeky here. What

0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:18.680
<v Speaker 1>is it. I'm going to recommend the other podcasts that

0:36:18.800 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 1>I co host.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like, if you don't want to recommend your

0:36:22.400 --> 0:36:24.600
<v Speaker 2>own podcast, well then that's not very good.

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:28.440
<v Speaker 1>She's not doing very You really believe in your own content?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't, exactly, so tell us why. So it's called

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wigging Out. I co host it with Lucy Neville,

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<v Speaker 1>Friend of the Pop. Yes, we love Luce. Hey, I'm

0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 1>wigging out. I'm wigging out. I am wigging out right now.

0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:47.440
<v Speaker 1>Help me. I am fully wigging out, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>about wig outs that was kind of born from our

0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:53.520
<v Speaker 1>late night FaceTime calls where we were both wigging out

0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:56.320
<v Speaker 1>about everything and anything in between.

0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:59.359
<v Speaker 2>It's honestly like a warm hug listening to us.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Monday, it's just half an hour is long. And

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:05.759
<v Speaker 1>we start with one of us having sharing a wig

0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:08.279
<v Speaker 1>out that we had during that week. And there's kind

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 1>of different levels of wig outs, so your stock standard,

0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:13.200
<v Speaker 1>your middle, and then you're full blown tornado, which is

0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:15.560
<v Speaker 1>rocking your socks off. We haven't had one of those yet.

0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:17.960
<v Speaker 1>And then we move on to a listener dilemma. So

0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:20.640
<v Speaker 1>we talk through a submission that's coming from one of

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<v Speaker 1>the Wiga Tonys.

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<v Speaker 2>And they are so beautifully kind and empathetic and sensitive. Yeah,

0:37:27.680 --> 0:37:30.399
<v Speaker 2>it's just a really nice funny He's telling me about

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:32.799
<v Speaker 2>the topics and I always give my two cents even

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:35.120
<v Speaker 2>though no one asked, and I'm like, Kelly, she's like,

0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:36.880
<v Speaker 2>this is why you could never do a show like

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<v Speaker 2>this something.

0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:41.160
<v Speaker 1>It'll be like blah blah blah blah blah. Just get

0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:44.120
<v Speaker 1>over it, and I'm like, that's not what we said.

0:37:44.160 --> 0:37:46.000
<v Speaker 1>We actually gave some really good advice and then I'll

0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:48.400
<v Speaker 1>listen to it and I'm like, oh, that's so sweet

0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:52.279
<v Speaker 1>and lovely, but still needs to get over Anyway, It's

0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 1>really been a joy to put together. It's nice just

0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:58.480
<v Speaker 1>to put more good things into the world. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's called I'm winging Out. You can get it on Moodify,

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