Speaker 1: We acknowledged the traditional custodians of the land. We're recording
Speaker 1: on today. Making my bed in the morning annoying enough,
Speaker 1: making their bed too. Yeah, but you don't have to.
Speaker 2: This is one of those things where people put stupid
Speaker 2: pressure and expectations on themselves.
Speaker 1: Well, you do have to make it a little bit. No,
Speaker 1: go and have a look at mine. Oh, let me
Speaker 1: go have a look later.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome back to Eat, Sleep, Shit, Repeat, a wildly.
Speaker 1: Unhinged podcast about the madness that is motherhood and everything
Speaker 1: in between. Named Kelley McCarran. I'm Kiri cels. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to start the episode off by thanking everyone for
Speaker 1: the love feedback. We love that you're picking out what
Speaker 1: we're putting down. So on the show today, is my
Speaker 1: toddler ready for a big bed? We asked you. Shit
Speaker 1: is about your experiences, advice, and any regrets you had
Speaker 1: around the transition, and the feedback was really eye opening.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that a little later, but first it
Speaker 1: is my turn for peek and Pit. So oh, I
Speaker 1: just don't even know where it's starting with. Ohls Oh,
Speaker 1: we're starting with the pit, so we have to start
Speaker 1: with the pit.
Speaker 2: So we end happy. So my main pit really is
Speaker 2: Lenny's feelings. And you know what, I don't want to
Speaker 2: talk about that anymore. It's boring to me, and get it.
Speaker 2: I just think I'd rather tell everyone a real tale
Speaker 2: of misfortune. Okay, that sort of like comes off the
Speaker 2: back of my last pit, which is where I spoke
Speaker 2: about how bad my hangovers I've got and he was like,
Speaker 2: that is absolutely not allowed to be your pit, and
Speaker 2: I was like, well it is because as someone who
Speaker 2: prides themselves on their ability to party, not being able
Speaker 2: to is a pit. Yeah, okay for you, Yes, of
Speaker 2: course for me, So yes, shall I tell you about
Speaker 2: a recent hangover that was so bad, so mortifying that
Speaker 2: it really made me question all of my life decisions basically, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I am a thirty five year old woman, Yeah, making
Speaker 2: these sorts of life choice. Had a friend's birthday, went out,
Speaker 2: had a great time. I don't know what the hell
Speaker 2: I do. Think it was partially the fault of the champagne.
Speaker 2: It's always a champagne for a crappy quality champagne. Oh
Speaker 2: even worse because I didn't actually drink that much. It
Speaker 2: was just really poor quality champagne. Had a huge dinner
Speaker 2: like there was not yeah, the usual factors that could.
Speaker 1: Can you stop drinking pretty early on right? Not too
Speaker 1: late at all?
Speaker 2: It was like eleven thirty twelve, yeah, yeah, was home
Speaker 2: in bed by two, not too late. I love that
Speaker 2: there are some people listening that are like that is
Speaker 2: the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah.
Speaker 2: And I was staying at my girlfriend's house, Thank the Lord,
Speaker 2: because if I'd been woken up by my toddler that morning.
Speaker 1: Whoo or the recommendation for the no, what is I
Speaker 1: love a sleepover an adult sleepover.
Speaker 2: So I woke up in the morning and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this isn't good. And my friend's partner, who's also my friend,
Speaker 2: he bought me in a coffee and he was.
Speaker 1: Just like sort of hovering over me.
Speaker 2: He like put the coffee next to the bed, and
Speaker 2: then he's like, can I go get you a baraka?
Speaker 1: Do you want some paodole some paracetamol? And I'm like no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm whine.
Speaker 2: I just need to suffer in silence right here. And
Speaker 2: then next minute it's like eleven forty five and I'm thinking, oh,
Speaker 2: my goodness, you've just been rushing in your friend's spare
Speaker 2: room all morning.
Speaker 1: Yuck.
Speaker 2: They've got a baby, and Hannah was also in just
Speaker 2: a world of pain. They didn't care at all. They
Speaker 2: were like, come downstairs, continue you're rot down here. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, no, I need to go home. Like
Speaker 2: I live twenty minutes away. Yeah, I need to go home. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so I like collect my things and then I
Speaker 2: walk to the car. The car is maybe two minutes
Speaker 2: down the road, like it's not a far walk at all.
Speaker 2: And I get to the car and I'm so dizzy
Speaker 2: and so unwell that I have to lay in the car.
Speaker 2: This is a busy street in Redford. There were people
Speaker 2: walking by. And then I'm rushing in my car with
Speaker 2: my legs in the air, with the seat all the
Speaker 2: way back.
Speaker 1: Just like, oh, your legs in the air. With my
Speaker 1: legs in the air because I was so sick. They're dizzy, yeah.
Speaker 2: And then maybe half an hour passes. They're probably at
Speaker 2: home thinking Okay, I must be home and in bed.
Speaker 1: Thank god. No, I'm still out inside with my legs
Speaker 1: in the air. They turned on find my friends and
Speaker 1: they're like, she's literally a block away. Water is going on.
Speaker 2: They go for a walk to get coffee, a wholesome.
Speaker 2: A wholesome walk with their baby to go get coffee,
Speaker 2: and they're like, it's like Curl's legs. Anyway, Eventually I thought,
Speaker 2: you're fine.
Speaker 1: Like I knew I wasn't over because I'd stopped drinking
Speaker 1: at this point fifteen hours ago or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So it was just that I was so
Speaker 2: on well, so I thought, no, no, you have to
Speaker 2: drive home. I'm driving along and I thought, oh no,
Speaker 2: this isn't good. Oh no, And I'm in a tunnel.
Speaker 2: There's no way to pull over. There's not even one
Speaker 2: of those little emergency they need more emergency.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even pull over in them. They're so scary.
Speaker 1: I've had too many a time.
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, I'm a vomita anyway, and I'm driving along
Speaker 2: and it happens, and I swerve. It wasn't safe. I'm
Speaker 2: here to tell the tail so it's okay. But I'm
Speaker 2: vomiting all over myself, all over the wheel, all over
Speaker 2: the dashboard, all over my body, all over the floor, everywhere.
Speaker 2: And then I just have to continue to drive home
Speaker 2: because what am I going to do?
Speaker 1: Pull over on the side of the freeway. Quick question,
Speaker 1: whose car are you in?
Speaker 2: That's another part of the story. So because I was
Speaker 2: like being single and driving to.
Speaker 1: Go party for the night, I was like, I'm taking
Speaker 1: the Spots Carr, which is Luke's work car. Luke had
Speaker 1: so proudly cleaned that car to within an inch of
Speaker 1: its life the weekend prior, because he'd been taking it
Speaker 1: for a service, and he was like, actually so proud,
Speaker 1: Come and have a look at how clean my car is.
Speaker 1: And then even the next day he's, Oh, it's so
Speaker 1: clean and shiny. You're like, yeah, So I'm in Luke's car.
Speaker 2: Vomiting all over myself. If it had been in my
Speaker 2: car Lens had avomit in it before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's already got a bit of a stench to it.
Speaker 1: Does Lukeska have leather seats? It's not fabric, but it's
Speaker 1: not leather in between you, I guess I do it.
Speaker 1: Sorry things back the cleaning sake. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I pull in at home and I just am
Speaker 2: in a world of pain, just feeling so ashamed. A
Speaker 2: thirty five year old vomiting because she's so unwell from
Speaker 2: her own decisions, poor decisions the.
Speaker 1: Night before, vomiting while driving. Did you see my meme
Speaker 1: that I posted.
Speaker 2: Didn't give anyone on Instagram details, but I posted a
Speaker 2: meme where it was like the saw doll riding home
Speaker 2: with runners going past, and it's like me or my
Speaker 2: after making questionable life decisions.
Speaker 1: The night before, du.
Speaker 2: Luke and Lenn were napping, which I knew, so I thought,
Speaker 2: I reckon, maybe I can get away with this. I
Speaker 2: sneak inside and I didn't want to go into the bedroom,
Speaker 2: so I just found like Luke's old jym clothes, like
Speaker 2: dirty gym clothes. Because I had to take my clothes
Speaker 2: were covered with vomit. Had to take them off, put
Speaker 2: them in the sink, put the gym clothes on, get
Speaker 2: their cleaning stuff, go back outside. Cleaned it to within
Speaker 2: an inch.
Speaker 1: Of its life. Every single chump, cranny, chunk, yuck, yuck cranny.
Speaker 1: Look everything I'd had, not Joe's the night before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to know those details. I can imagine
Speaker 1: without prompts.
Speaker 2: I don't know why my body hadn't digested. It had
Speaker 2: been a long time, so that happened. I finally get
Speaker 2: it all clean, put everything in the bin.
Speaker 1: It's spick and span.
Speaker 2: Wash the vomit off my shoes with the hose like
Speaker 2: it's just done. And then I'm sort of like trudging
Speaker 2: back towards the front door. So Luke's a big person,
Speaker 2: so wearing his like oversized stinky old gym clothes, trudging
Speaker 2: back to the house holding my cleaning equipment, and he's
Speaker 2: just standing at the front door, I can imagine, with
Speaker 2: his arms crossed over his chest watching me.
Speaker 1: He says, were you sick in my car? Indeed, I
Speaker 1: was so everywhere. Oh, it was everywhere. It stinks far
Speaker 1: out and he goes, that's my bedroom, that's my second
Speaker 1: bedroom because he sleeps in there in the morning.
Speaker 2: So anyway, moral of the story is question your life, choices.
Speaker 1: Question the question. My mouth urts from like laughing, like
Speaker 1: my jaw.
Speaker 2: Well, thank god Luke took lend to his brother's house
Speaker 2: that afternoon so I could continue my rot on the
Speaker 2: lounge just watching Bridgeton. And then at one point I
Speaker 2: was too sick to even lie there and watch Bridgeton,
Speaker 2: so I had to just staring at the ceiling bleak.
Speaker 2: When you're two sick, to like watch something, you have
Speaker 2: to lay there and stare thoughts, and you're just like
Speaker 2: and you're really questioning your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Anyway, so bleak. Did he forgive you about
Speaker 1: the car? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh he's very forgiving. He doesn't give a shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so true. Also, I did do a really
Speaker 1: good job, Cleanny. He said it didn't smell at all. Peak.
Speaker 1: Let's move on to peaks. So small one is that
Speaker 1: my mom and dad got a puppy. Stop. I was
Speaker 1: asking you about this not long ago, and you were like,
Speaker 1: not too sure whether they were going to do it
Speaker 1: or not.
Speaker 2: They finally bit the bullet got a puppy. Mazie is
Speaker 2: a cream colored Border Collie.
Speaker 1: Stop. Oh my god, she's so cute. We are yet
Speaker 1: to meet her.
Speaker 2: Apparently she's very nippy and absolute lunatic.
Speaker 1: But it's so funny hearing Dad.
Speaker 2: He'll be like, oh, this dog's on meth, like it's
Speaker 2: going crazy, and I'm like, she's a puppy.
Speaker 1: I think she's forgotten that puppies are lunatics. They are crazy,
Speaker 1: like you do forget because yeah, I don't know. Most
Speaker 1: people have really well behaved dogs, right, because you can't
Speaker 1: have an unruly dog, so you just completely forget about puppy. Puppy.
Speaker 2: You need to teach them it's teeth. Yeah, you have
Speaker 2: to teach them how to be a well behaved human.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Lena is gonna he is going to
Speaker 2: He just loves looking.
Speaker 1: At the photos so far, so I really want to
Speaker 1: go up soon. But the main peak is we have.
Speaker 2: Found a good marriage counselor I'm really thrilled.
Speaker 1: How ha ha Okay, so Key has known the whole
Speaker 1: drama over the marriage counsel that really didn't like me
Speaker 1: that much, that blamed everything on me. He was a nightmare.
Speaker 1: He canceled all of our session, like super religious, which
Speaker 1: is fine, but if you're not religious, I'm not religious.
Speaker 2: He was taught to me about horsemen all the time,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, bro, I'm just like, what does the
Speaker 2: horseman have to do with it?
Speaker 1: Honestly, he was just not it.
Speaker 2: And then I thought that he'd just given up on
Speaker 2: us because he canceled our sessions.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, our marriage counsel has gotten
Speaker 1: rid of this because he's no hope, no hope.
Speaker 2: And I expressed my disappointment when they set us up
Speaker 2: with this new bloke.
Speaker 1: I love him. Oh that's so good.
Speaker 2: We got more out of one session with him than
Speaker 2: we had for six months with Gustaff.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, Gustuff, do you reckon? It was long service live.
Speaker 2: Definitely something has gone down with good stuff. So Scott
Speaker 2: the new bloke is fantastic. Both of us agreed that
Speaker 2: we got so much out of it, and because I
Speaker 2: complained so vigorously, they've given us six sessions for free.
Speaker 1: If that doesn't say scandal, I don't know what. But
Speaker 1: also if that doesn't say pick girl. And he actually
Speaker 1: seems to like me and he keeps like so freaking short,
Speaker 1: so anyway that we're not paying people to be mean
Speaker 1: and just actively dislike us and tell me to stop
Speaker 1: being a horseman. All right, let's move on to our
Speaker 1: deep dive. It's our meaty topic of the day. When
Speaker 1: to leave the safety of a cot aka bby jail
Speaker 1: for the independence of a bed aka our worst nightmare?
Speaker 1: Were so not in ingredients on this. So the topic
Speaker 1: came up when one of my mother's group friends called Maria,
Speaker 1: had said she had moved her son to a bed
Speaker 1: and was looking for advice, and our jaw was on
Speaker 1: the floor because we were like, why did you do that?
Speaker 1: And she was like, we were overseas and you know
Speaker 1: when you're on holiday it's so much easier to pull
Speaker 1: them into bed with you, and that he just created
Speaker 1: a habit. And then when he got home he basically
Speaker 1: refused to cot, so it was a bed And I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, totally get it, but I have no
Speaker 1: adverse for you, because that sounds hectic? Is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I want to do it going right? I mean no,
Speaker 1: not necessarily. Well, you'll be surprised because I thought that too.
Speaker 1: And the more I thought about it, the more confused
Speaker 1: I was as to why they don't just keep making
Speaker 1: cots that are bigger size so we can keep them
Speaker 1: sixteen years old.
Speaker 2: That's one way to keep them at home at night
Speaker 2: lit sneaking out literally what's them in for the evening?
Speaker 1: So I think that's a crime crime turn it really has.
Speaker 1: So if you couldn't already guess what our current thoughts
Speaker 1: are on doing this. We're a little bit hesitant, but
Speaker 1: I thought you might jump into even All right, Well
Speaker 1: tell me about you, cal what are your thoughts on it? Like,
Speaker 1: obviously it needs to be done at some point, but
Speaker 1: you're pretty not even going to open that can of worms.
Speaker 1: I think that it is so dependent. I mean, we'll
Speaker 1: get more into this when we hear from the shitters
Speaker 1: and talk about.
Speaker 2: Different people's experiences. It's so dependent on the kid. If
Speaker 2: Lenny was flipping himself out of the cot, which would
Speaker 2: be alarming because it's dangerous, then I would consider Yeah.
Speaker 2: If getting him to sleep in a cot was an
Speaker 2: absolute punish, then I would consider it. Like, there are
Speaker 2: so many things that we're just not there, so I
Speaker 2: just don't care. And there's no baby on the way,
Speaker 2: like I think for a lot of people they've said
Speaker 2: that we wanted to move the toddler into the cop
Speaker 2: before the baby came or whatnot. He's not there and
Speaker 2: there's no problem with it.
Speaker 1: He quite likes it.
Speaker 2: He goes in there to play sometimes when I'm in
Speaker 2: the room, and then the game involves me throwing.
Speaker 1: Could mister elephant come in? Yes, and he goes in.
Speaker 1: And then he likes to play in the cot with
Speaker 1: all of his toys. But he's not scared of the cot.
Speaker 2: He doesn't scream. He we do our nighttime routine, which
Speaker 2: involves he has a milk when we read some stories,
Speaker 2: and then happily he'll get his sack down. He gets
Speaker 2: into his sack and then and he will point to
Speaker 2: bed and say bed he wants to go into the cot,
Speaker 2: But then I mean, I'm making it sound like an
Speaker 2: absolute dream. It's because then I lie next to him
Speaker 2: when we sing the Stinky song about twenty different times,
Speaker 2: about twenty different people. Yes, And I will lie there
Speaker 2: with him on the floor until he goes to sleep,
Speaker 2: And it's not like when he wakes up in there,
Speaker 2: he's like get it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sometimes when I go in there in the morning, then
Speaker 2: he lies back down plays with his dummies, and the
Speaker 2: cot isn't a bad place to him.
Speaker 1: No, if it was, then you'll be looking at doing it.
Speaker 1: I think that's what it is. And that's what most
Speaker 1: people said that it was very much their decision was
Speaker 1: informed by whatever situation that they were in and the
Speaker 1: type of personality that they had. For me, I am
Speaker 1: obviously the last of my girlfriends to have a kid,
Speaker 1: So I start to see one by one they're like
Speaker 1: moving the baby to the bed, and I'm like, oh god,
Speaker 1: this sounds like it's really scary. And then we go
Speaker 1: through really bad patches with Rue's sleep sometimes like she's
Speaker 1: super clean at the moment, so bedtime's are nightmare. And
Speaker 1: you hear stories of how when people move their kids
Speaker 1: from the cock to the bed that sometimes it fixes
Speaker 1: their sleep. And I'm like, oh, that does sound quite interesting.
Speaker 1: But a lot of people say all the experts say,
Speaker 1: and we didn't want to get an expert on to
Speaker 1: talk about this because I think that like just hearing
Speaker 1: from shit is and how vary the experience is actually
Speaker 1: not like an actual expert led matter. It's not just
Speaker 1: trust your gut. And that's what it showed because experts
Speaker 1: say that cognitively just emotionally three plus is kind of
Speaker 1: the age that you should do it. But from all
Speaker 1: of the shit is, it showed that there was success
Speaker 1: over all different ranges. The younger ones did have a
Speaker 1: little bit less success. But let's go through all of
Speaker 1: it now, because I think it's actually really interesting. Well
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts are though that you not ready yet?
Speaker 1: Not ready yet? But I'm also like, the thing with
Speaker 1: Rue is some things with her have been easy ish,
Speaker 1: like she's just party training, like potty training, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: if the bed's easy, I would kind of like the
Speaker 1: bed because I struggle lifting her up into the cot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's also quite annoying to settle her, like so
Speaker 1: if you could just jump into bed with her, if
Speaker 1: I could jump into bed with her, it'd be great.
Speaker 1: But then I've also got to be ready for the
Speaker 1: fact that she's going to be getting up potentially and then.
Speaker 2: Just coming into bed with you, going and helping herself
Speaker 2: to snacks exactly.
Speaker 1: But I guess, But I wonder, like would this be okay?
Speaker 1: And is this the right time, because I say, like,
Speaker 1: if your kids showing signs, I don't think there are
Speaker 1: signs per se with this. I think it can be
Speaker 1: led by the kid from what I'm reading from the
Speaker 1: shit is. But I'm thinking, if there's a sweet spot
Speaker 1: to do it, do I just take the opportunity and
Speaker 1: give it a crack or do I leave it until
Speaker 1: the last minute? And then is it going to be
Speaker 1: even harder because she's going to be really attached to
Speaker 1: the cot and not want to make the move. Because
Speaker 1: that can happen as well. Yeah yeah, yeah, they can.
Speaker 2: Like not want to get a big girl, big boy bed.
Speaker 1: Well what happens is it's the safety of the cot
Speaker 1: being a smaller space going into a big bed. It's
Speaker 1: like too much space?
Speaker 2: What do you have? Because I think that can help.
Speaker 1: So I have one that can be converted into a
Speaker 1: toddler bed. The should as have said some of them
Speaker 1: are like, it's better going straight to a big bed,
Speaker 1: otherwise you've got to do the transition again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I just think that like with my sister,
Speaker 2: she with EV, they've struggled a lot. What they do though,
Speaker 2: is that they'll just pull the side off and on.
Speaker 2: Like it's really easy to put off and on. So
Speaker 2: if she's been too difficult and just constantly getting up
Speaker 2: through the night and coming into their bed, they'll put
Speaker 2: it back on and be like, no, you've lost your privileges.
Speaker 1: You're back in jail.
Speaker 2: Because she'll be like, I'm just gonna tiptog back in
Speaker 2: to see you guys, and they're like, well, okay, back
Speaker 2: into baby Joe, you go.
Speaker 1: That's actually a really good point though, like if it's
Speaker 1: easy enough to get on and off, you could just
Speaker 1: give it a red hot crack.
Speaker 2: A red hot crack and give them that independence and
Speaker 2: I guess grown upness of having the side off and
Speaker 2: then well, if you're not going to follow the rules,
Speaker 2: which is that you stay in bed unless something's wrong
Speaker 2: or whatnot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then you will get it put back on. I actually,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess it depends how people feel about punishments or
Speaker 2: riberry that sort of thing, because that's what Lenny's bed
Speaker 2: is too. It's one of the ones that goes into
Speaker 2: a todd the bed and then ends up being an
Speaker 2: actual bed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was a lot.
Speaker 2: More expensive than some of them that were on the market,
Speaker 2: but I wanted him to have that option. However, he's
Speaker 2: so tall that I don't actually think we'll ever get
Speaker 2: to a stage where it could be used as a
Speaker 2: bed because it's still a smaller bed.
Speaker 1: Let's just jump into these response cases. I think we're
Speaker 1: talking about a lot of the stuff that we're going
Speaker 1: to be talking about again. Even with such varied ages
Speaker 1: and experiences, overwhelmingly should have said that they did not
Speaker 1: regret making the move, which yeah, I thought was it's
Speaker 1: not really something you can regret. Well, no, because it's
Speaker 1: coming in every single night. Even the people that said
Speaker 1: they probably went a little bit too early were like, no,
Speaker 1: it's actually good now in the long run, it's been great.
Speaker 1: So the average age was two and a half to
Speaker 1: three years, but we also had people as young as
Speaker 1: twelve months, and the old was for there were also
Speaker 1: a couple of moms who I wanted to shout out,
Speaker 1: who were like, they're still for we're not moving them.
Speaker 1: The reasons we kind of touched on some of them
Speaker 1: another baby on the way to the cotch. They also
Speaker 1: wanted to do before the other baby arrived, so it
Speaker 1: wasn't lots of change all at once. Experts say to
Speaker 1: do it three months before or after any other big change,
Speaker 1: so a lot of people try and get that out
Speaker 1: of the way. Also, if you're doing potty training, that's
Speaker 1: another thing to consider. Not to do all of that
Speaker 1: at once. You kind of want to break it up
Speaker 1: too long or outgrew the cot which I was like,
Speaker 1: lend reason, well, for his third birthday, you might want
Speaker 1: to consider it to he might have to pull him out.
Speaker 1: They started climbing out, which is obviously a huge safety thing.
Speaker 1: They just didn't like the cot Some kids just didn't
Speaker 1: like them, so I think the younger ones that was
Speaker 1: a lot of the reasoning for moving them so young.
Speaker 1: The parents were tired of laying on the floor to resettle.
Speaker 1: Families that co slept interestingly went straight to a normal bed,
Speaker 1: which makes sense, but the transition seemed to be better
Speaker 1: for a floor bed, so smart.
Speaker 2: Or they'll put the playpen then with just the mattress
Speaker 2: on the floor of the playpen so the kid can't
Speaker 2: get out still and hurt themselves.
Speaker 1: So smart. It's like a floor cot. Yeah, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that a lot. The
Speaker 1: parent can still get in it with them because it's
Speaker 1: a big space. Yeah. And I think the one that
Speaker 1: everyone's probably hoping happens, the kid was requesting a big bed.
Speaker 2: Also with the kids flipping themselves out a lot of
Speaker 2: the time, that must be because they don't have their
Speaker 2: sacks on anymore, because apparently kids can start getting crossed
Speaker 2: and don't want to go into a sack.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, ye yeah. A lot of the mums in
Speaker 1: here were like we had to because they refused a
Speaker 1: sack and were climbing out. And then one of the
Speaker 1: mums actually did give us a tip and said, if
Speaker 1: they're refusing the sack, turn it around backwards so that
Speaker 1: they can't get it off. Oh yeah, And then they said,
Speaker 1: we then loves getting any sack. He's such but I
Speaker 1: haven't made it a big thing.
Speaker 2: Then we're going into the sack now and it's like
Speaker 2: it's cozy.
Speaker 1: I mean I would. I'm not gonna lie. Oh, I'd
Speaker 1: love to sleep in a big seit. It's like those
Speaker 1: big snuggle coat things. Anyway, this one I thought was
Speaker 1: really good, and I actually did think of you, because
Speaker 1: whenever you say like that, you lay there and have
Speaker 1: to pat him and stuff. So they said we were
Speaker 1: literally spending hours on the floor of her room patting
Speaker 1: her through the cot. I was well over it. We
Speaker 1: had tried to sleep train like three times and it
Speaker 1: worked for short periods but always reverted back. We moved
Speaker 1: into a double bed with a rail up and I
Speaker 1: lay next to her to go to sleep. Then can
Speaker 1: lay with her when she wakes during the night, and
Speaker 1: it's so much better. That was like music to my
Speaker 1: ears because although I'm not having to get up as
Speaker 1: much like obviously we have bouts of it. I would
Speaker 1: like to just stay in there and sleep the rest
Speaker 1: of the night, because I've got no problem with sleeping
Speaker 1: with you exactly. I sleep as well, but I think
Speaker 1: you would. The older they get, I think it's the yeah,
Speaker 1: Sarah gets to sleep with them. We have our little
Speaker 1: play couch thing in rose room and like six foot four,
Speaker 1: Charlie is like, bring me a blanket and a pillow,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, good luck, and I've slept on that
Speaker 1: thing before. It is cold.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's so much like me, though you've said that.
Speaker 2: He also will put his headphones on, play on his
Speaker 2: phone there. I have a glass of red under the.
Speaker 1: Cod reach in which is spilt the other night and
Speaker 1: I was like, I told you, Brady read wine egg
Speaker 1: can all be cleaned? You don't have white carpets. You're
Speaker 1: not silly, It's so true. Okay, So transition, the timing
Speaker 1: was super varied. Like potty training, it really depended on
Speaker 1: the type of kid you had, their personality, and I
Speaker 1: think also just like how able you were to hold
Speaker 1: your ground at two or three am in the morning,
Speaker 1: that really came into play. What do they mean hold
Speaker 1: your ground? Well, you know when they get up and
Speaker 1: they're like mom, momum, so we just pullinian. Well no,
Speaker 1: they're like you have to put them back into their
Speaker 1: bed because their bed is their space. Like they're gonna
Speaker 1: keep getting up because now they're like, oh, I can
Speaker 1: get one. I can do that. So that was the
Speaker 1: main thing. It was like, well, we had to be
Speaker 1: really defined in those moments. And when you're half asleep.
Speaker 1: You just like the willpower. It's a new form of
Speaker 1: sleep training. I guess it is, yes, but some people
Speaker 1: take to it pretty quickly and some continue to wait.
Speaker 1: But all of the parents preferred resettling in a bed
Speaker 1: versus a cot.
Speaker 2: I think just I think everyone would write it's way
Speaker 2: more comfortable.
Speaker 1: Definitely. There was lots of success with setting up the
Speaker 1: bed and letting them initiate the move.
Speaker 2: So fun if you do it for their birthday. M's
Speaker 2: doing it for Evye's birthday this year.
Speaker 1: She's four. Yeah, she's so.
Speaker 2: Excited to like make Evy's room really cute and like
Speaker 2: big girl bed.
Speaker 1: And that's what a lot of the parents said. It
Speaker 1: was like we didn't want to push it on them,
Speaker 1: so it was like a lot of talking about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of parents took them to choose, Oh God,
Speaker 1: chose the bed. Money woud choose a bloody car? Well.
Speaker 1: I was like, I wouldn't let them choose the bed,
Speaker 1: but then a lot of parents would like choose the linen.
Speaker 1: Even then I don't mind that. I'm like, get into
Speaker 1: that because you.
Speaker 2: Don't have a small boy that loves cars.
Speaker 1: I have one that loves whales and snails. Oh that's cuteles.
Speaker 1: That's I don't know why it's cute, but me, I'm buying,
Speaker 1: like Paisley, Yeah exactly, I'm like taking them talking about
Speaker 1: it and the lead up to it a little. It's
Speaker 1: all over the can you imagine I'll be like, get
Speaker 1: for really aggressive sheets, but they look like flies, So
Speaker 1: I had I just let that be a daycare. Thanks
Speaker 1: every time I put her in there, like that looks
Speaker 1: so rank.
Speaker 2: I don't want to sleep with bugs. No, exactly, just
Speaker 2: send sheets to daycare.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your daycare is so straight, we know, Okay, setting
Speaker 1: it up like obviously if you've got the space being
Speaker 1: able to set it up, or if you're moving them
Speaker 1: to their big girl room or big boy room out
Speaker 1: of the nursery setting it up and jumping at some
Speaker 1: people's houses, well, sorry I keep interrupting it, but I'm
Speaker 1: just like that. I've got a lot of thought. Some
Speaker 1: people don't live rich in Sydney and they're rich, or
Speaker 1: they do and they just live in normal.
Speaker 2: Oh this is his nursery and then this is his bedroom.
Speaker 1: Well, the nursery can sometimes be like the little office
Speaker 1: that they've set up as a nursery, right, so they
Speaker 1: talk the second office. You've got a little office. We're
Speaker 1: in it right now. Oh, you're gonna put a kid
Speaker 1: in the garage? I met cold. I mean them as
Speaker 1: much in European countries they like leave them out in
Speaker 1: the pram and the cold. It helps with the it's
Speaker 1: a thing. I need to show it to you, because
Speaker 1: I reckon I'll blow your mind. But yeah, letting them
Speaker 1: kind of just see it there and then slowly show
Speaker 1: interest and then they seem to be a bit more
Speaker 1: comfortable with it. And I think a lot of the
Speaker 1: parents said that. There's also a bit of transitioning from
Speaker 1: the room, like even the room to the bed. So
Speaker 1: having the separate spaces, if you have the room set up,
Speaker 1: is nice for them to kind of go between. And
Speaker 1: often they'll be like, I want to sleep in the
Speaker 1: big bed, and then that's kind of it. It's okay.
Speaker 1: Led by them. One of the really good tips on
Speaker 1: here was that they got a single bed with a
Speaker 1: trundle for two reasons, so clever. A lot of the
Speaker 1: concern over kids obviously moving to a bed is that
Speaker 1: they roll out of bed and you can get those
Speaker 1: side things. It's not that high. It's not that high normal,
Speaker 1: but still I think it can be dangerous. So and
Speaker 1: it can also just wake them up and wake everyone up. Yeah, true, right,
Speaker 1: and if you do going really well in the bed,
Speaker 1: then they might get a little bit scared from the bed,
Speaker 1: so we want to try and avoid it, saying so yeah,
Speaker 1: they said the trundle was really good in that respect,
Speaker 1: and also so if you have to go and resettle them,
Speaker 1: you just pull out the trundle to lay on. So
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, we're getting a trundle. Also goodmazing. Yes,
Speaker 1: they are also good. Uncle Sam sleep on the trot.
Speaker 1: He's a real hoot in the morning. He's a real hoot.
Speaker 1: So I asked about experts and advice, and most people
Speaker 1: did it without any help, which was reassuring. I think
Speaker 1: they asked friends, they asked Google. With us Mother's group.
Speaker 1: There were a couple of Instagram pages so family centered
Speaker 1: Sleep and Baby Sleep Consultant, and a few people did
Speaker 1: follow the Montessori philosophy for holistic sleep, which is like
Speaker 1: putting the bed on the floor and having like toys
Speaker 1: out to encourage them. If they get up, that's fine,
Speaker 1: if they wake up, but that they go and get
Speaker 1: their toys and they play and then they kind of
Speaker 1: go back to sleep. So instead of like waking up
Speaker 1: mom and dad. Is my idea of it. Anyway that
Speaker 1: sounds like heaven. Yeah, well must be nice. It must
Speaker 1: be nice.
Speaker 2: My girlfriend she's got like freak children unicorns.
Speaker 1: If they wake up before seven am, or even maybe
Speaker 1: at seven am, if she's not ready to get up,
Speaker 1: she can hear them and she'll just jump on their
Speaker 1: individual monitors and tell them to play quietly in their
Speaker 1: room until she comes and gets them. And they do. Wait,
Speaker 1: they don't even play together. They just they've all got
Speaker 1: their own room. Rich people.
Speaker 2: They just sit in their rooms and play and until
Speaker 2: mum comes and gets them.
Speaker 1: A lot of people said that they use the grow clock.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard about this. I've heard
Speaker 1: about this. So it's a clock that lights up and
Speaker 1: has different symbols to basically signify nighttime and then daytime
Speaker 1: as to when they're allowed to get out of bed.
Speaker 1: So if you say you can't get out of your
Speaker 1: bed until that goes to orange and there's a sun,
Speaker 1: they're going to be just looking at that clock being like,
Speaker 1: can't get out of bed. Sometimes they hop out of bed,
Speaker 1: so that's like a good thing. My niece Margo uses
Speaker 1: that and then Gem's like, I need to just put
Speaker 1: it forward an hour so she sleeps in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just make her stay in there for walker.
Speaker 1: But a lot of people say that that was really helpful.
Speaker 1: I asked it as would they recommend doing it, and
Speaker 1: they all said yes, it creates more of a sleep
Speaker 1: association and their own sleep space, and they felt that
Speaker 1: their kids felt less trapped in a bed versus cot,
Speaker 1: and that they were much calmer around bedtime, so it
Speaker 1: was a bit more enjoyable.
Speaker 2: Like that would be awful if your kids kicking off
Speaker 2: about having you to bed every night, Like oh.
Speaker 1: I know, And I didn't even think about that, Like
Speaker 1: I guess it's just not in the realm of thought
Speaker 1: of moving them that early. I remember being like so
Speaker 1: overwhelmed with the thought of moving them from the bassinette
Speaker 1: to the cot, like, oh, this is going to fuck
Speaker 1: up the sleep so bad, but not thinking that if
Speaker 1: you didn't have a great sleeper, the benefits of it,
Speaker 1: because it's like how you have your weird quirks around
Speaker 1: like noise or whatever. It's a what do you mean
Speaker 1: my weird quirks around noise, Like when I come over
Speaker 1: and I haven't seen you in a week, I'm so
Speaker 1: excited to see you, and you're like, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: work with my headphones. Okay, I did that once because
Speaker 1: you were editing something and I couldn't concentrate while you
Speaker 1: were editing something without headphones. Yeah I know, But like
Speaker 1: that's what I mean is that everyone's got there. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what age you are. You like your half
Speaker 1: around sounds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be like, do you mind just turning your
Speaker 2: notifications off because she'll be sitting there and it'll be.
Speaker 1: Like ing ing ing. She goes, Oh, is it loud? Yes,
Speaker 1: But it's the same thing, right, It's like a sensory thing.
Speaker 1: I think it's the same with kids. So it's just
Speaker 1: a great option. I feel like if you're struggling with
Speaker 1: sleep like that. When I was reading this, I was like,
Speaker 1: anyone who struggled with sleep, I just want them to
Speaker 1: read this and maybe this could be a good solution.
Speaker 1: Listen to them podcast exactly exactly. But then there were
Speaker 1: some people who did it and hated it, which I
Speaker 1: think we should touch on because.
Speaker 2: The few people that I've talked to about this, or
Speaker 2: have just told me their experiences. Their kid ends up
Speaker 2: in their room every night, yeah, waking them up as well.
Speaker 1: As one person said, why did you start? We're on
Speaker 1: holiday and my husband thought it'd be a great idea
Speaker 1: to let them sleep in a bed. Yeah, great work
Speaker 1: on that one. Oh, and she's like, I definitely wouldn't
Speaker 1: have started. So I don't think that it's going to
Speaker 1: work for everyone. It's not necessarily going to be an
Speaker 1: easy thing. But I guess it's just how much you
Speaker 1: want it and how much the kid responds to it.
Speaker 1: But the best advice that I read was if it's
Speaker 1: not working, go back to the cot exactly.
Speaker 2: It's not like a once you do something. It's kind
Speaker 2: of like once you start potty training. It's not like
Speaker 2: you have to never put them in a nappy again.
Speaker 1: Well I think it's a bit easier with that because
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm putting them back in a nappy because
Speaker 1: there's piss and shit everywhere. But with sleeping, I feel
Speaker 1: like sometimes as a parent, you put these crazy expectations
Speaker 1: on what you're doing, and you try to make them
Speaker 1: behave in a certain way or act in a certain way.
Speaker 1: And you don't give yourself as much leniency. Like if
Speaker 1: you're not putting a nappy on them and they're refusing
Speaker 1: to potty train, of course you're going to put a
Speaker 1: nappy on them because that's gross. But I think with
Speaker 1: something like sleep, you try to persevere. But also sleep
Speaker 1: deprivation at any age or stage is so shit. So
Speaker 1: just remember that you have the opportunity to revert back.
Speaker 1: They're not ready. They're not ready. You know something that
Speaker 1: I didn't. They were like, I wouldn't do it again.
Speaker 1: Beds get jumped on and need making every day delay
Speaker 1: as long as possible. I did not think about that,
Speaker 1: Like making my bed in the morning annoying enough, making
Speaker 1: their bed too. Yeah, but you don't have to.
Speaker 2: This is one of those things where people put stupid
Speaker 2: pressure and expectations on themselves.
Speaker 1: Well, you do have to make it a little bit. No,
Speaker 1: go and have a look at mine. Oh you don't
Speaker 1: make your bed every day? You're saying, that's okay. I
Speaker 1: do sometimes, but every time I've come over your bed's mate.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I probably do most of the time, but
Speaker 2: I don't if I don't want to, And this morning
Speaker 2: I didn't want.
Speaker 1: To oh, let me go have a look later.
Speaker 2: It's horrid, but I don't care. I like that is
Speaker 2: a good point though for people.
Speaker 1: For people that are clean, someone said hate sometimes they
Speaker 1: don't actually realize they can get out of the bed themselves.
Speaker 1: So don't tell them that they can, because I think
Speaker 1: you go into it being like, now, don't you get
Speaker 1: out of that bed? But if you just don't mention it,
Speaker 1: because there were a lot of people whose kids got
Speaker 1: it straight away, who just didn't get.
Speaker 2: Out of bed because you never said anything exactized. Because
Speaker 2: we've got to remember that they are so simple minded.
Speaker 2: I say that with love like that might not even
Speaker 2: cross their thoughts exactly.
Speaker 1: So you don't want to plant that seed. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is your bed, this is where you stay this week.
Speaker 1: You stay till we come and get you. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: floor is lava. Well, you don't want to touch the floor.
Speaker 1: Floor's got bugs on it. And then I wanted to
Speaker 1: end on. They will trash the room and explore and
Speaker 1: that is normal and fine and I love. The other
Speaker 1: suggestion was is like set their room up for that,
Speaker 1: so safe play without you. There a lot of people
Speaker 1: said put a baby gate on the door. Because if
Speaker 1: you don't want to sleep with the door shut, like
Speaker 1: roose doors always open. What and my door's open through
Speaker 1: the night? Yeah? Doesn't she wake up as soon as
Speaker 1: there's a moment of light in the morning or if
Speaker 1: you get up to the toilet. No, I've got blackout.
Speaker 1: It looks so povo. I just couldn't call it. It looks like,
Speaker 1: you know, dive past the house and you're like, I
Speaker 1: think that chrome is committed. No, I think they're cooking
Speaker 1: metal have a bad sleeper, Like, what even is it?
Speaker 1: It's like our foil.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's not actually ol foid though, but it's silver
Speaker 2: sticky stuff that I have got like laminate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like book covering basically. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the ego baby sells it. I got some too.
Speaker 2: It's no, I got my shit from buddings. It is
Speaker 2: heavy duty. I need to put a photot because we
Speaker 2: will die. That is like on the outside of my
Speaker 2: house to stop a shmidge of light getting into that
Speaker 2: child's room.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. All kids are different, right, And that's
Speaker 1: I think because otherwise, Op, the birds are awake, I'm awake.
Speaker 1: What I took away from this and one of the
Speaker 1: ladies and it had like three kids, and she was like,
Speaker 1: my one piece of advice would be that for the
Speaker 1: first kid, I stress so much about all of the
Speaker 1: transitions bassinett to cot to bed. For the second one,
Speaker 1: I can't even remember when I put them in a bed,
Speaker 1: and the third one we're coasally being and choose two
Speaker 1: and a half.
Speaker 2: Yes, So it's something that you probably don't need to
Speaker 2: stress about the way that you are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I think it's just like take it in
Speaker 1: your stride, let them lead it, buy a bed or
Speaker 1: take the wall off. Like I love that suggestion of
Speaker 1: what your sister does, and I think that's maybe something dry.
Speaker 1: But what I loved about those shit is is that,
Speaker 1: similar to the potty training episode, we know what we're doing,
Speaker 1: we know our kids. If we start it and it's shit,
Speaker 1: just stop, go back to the cot. But just ease
Speaker 1: into it and don't let it be too overwhelming and
Speaker 1: too scary. Of course, it's going to be stressful, because
Speaker 1: everything to do with parenting is, but especially sleep sleep
Speaker 1: so true, sleepy stressful. So I think it's a real
Speaker 1: consideration for parents. But you can always go back to
Speaker 1: what was working before them back in baby jail. Read
Speaker 1: the tips.
Speaker 2: Okay, so these are collated from the shitters. You do
Speaker 2: not need a fancy bed. You don't need a car bed.
Speaker 2: I love that you get a second hand one of
Speaker 2: gum Tree maybe splosh.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a skin. It's the skin, the
Speaker 1: skin thing. What did I say earlier? Skin blankets, the
Speaker 1: shedding of the skin, skin bits on blankets you can't
Speaker 1: wash and you're just kind of like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, slowly introduced, so it's not a shocked the system.
Speaker 2: So maybe don't do what I did with moving Lenny
Speaker 2: from the snow to the cot.
Speaker 1: Oh you just did that. Cold Tricky literally.
Speaker 2: Went from our room in the snow to his own
Speaker 2: room in a cot with the sleep trainer.
Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry about that.
Speaker 2: Put a gate on the door, as you said, and
Speaker 2: just do it. Give it a go, especially if the
Speaker 2: cot isn't working for you. And as Key has already
Speaker 2: pointed out, stick to the boundaries you set even at
Speaker 2: three am in the morning.
Speaker 1: So you probably need to do it when things aren't.
Speaker 2: Too stressful for you at work or in other things
Speaker 2: that you're going through in life at the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything that we ever talk about with kids that
Speaker 1: are like you both have to be ready. It's been
Speaker 1: a good time for both of you. Exactly. Just wanted
Speaker 1: to say thanks to the shitters for all of those
Speaker 1: lovely responses.
Speaker 2: They're so helpful. I find it so much.
Speaker 1: They're so funny.
Speaker 2: That's why we love everyone so much, because it's like
Speaker 2: such a fun mum's group.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's just fun and loosen and like, why
Speaker 1: I talk to an expert when we've got like you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes we need well sometimes we you need to. But
Speaker 1: when we've got this wealth of knowledge.
Speaker 2: From other mums exactly, other parents, we should say, all.
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