1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:15,064 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. Mamma 2 00:00:15,144 --> 00:00:18,824 Speaker 1: Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that 3 00:00:18,904 --> 00:00:26,024 Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on from MoMA Mia. 4 00:00:26,304 --> 00:00:29,504 Speaker 2: Welcome to The Spell, your daily pop culture fix. I'm 5 00:00:29,584 --> 00:00:33,024 Speaker 2: m Burnham and I'm Laura Brodnick. And on the show today, 6 00:00:33,104 --> 00:00:36,944 Speaker 2: we are diving into a wild interview between Northwest and 7 00:00:36,984 --> 00:00:40,264 Speaker 2: her mom, Kim Kardashian for Interview Magazine. We dissect some 8 00:00:40,344 --> 00:00:43,824 Speaker 2: of those answers. Plus, footage has emerged of two huge 9 00:00:43,824 --> 00:00:45,064 Speaker 2: Hollywood stars having. 10 00:00:44,944 --> 00:00:49,104 Speaker 3: A very intense exchange. We break down what that really means. 11 00:00:49,184 --> 00:00:51,624 Speaker 1: But first, I wasn't sure how to sort of start 12 00:00:51,624 --> 00:00:53,944 Speaker 1: this story. So I'm going to defer to the Daily 13 00:00:53,984 --> 00:00:56,224 Speaker 1: Mail's headline because out of all the headlines I've seen 14 00:00:56,264 --> 00:00:58,544 Speaker 1: of this, this is my favorite. A safe option, A 15 00:00:58,584 --> 00:01:02,664 Speaker 1: safe option always factually correct. I'm sure Andrew Garfield quietly 16 00:01:02,704 --> 00:01:06,144 Speaker 1: splits from professional witch girlfriend doctor Kate Tamas as she 17 00:01:06,184 --> 00:01:09,224 Speaker 1: reveals the couple broke up months ago. I mean all facts, 18 00:01:09,304 --> 00:01:11,824 Speaker 1: all facts, and she is a professional witch. So we 19 00:01:11,904 --> 00:01:14,384 Speaker 1: discussed this one of my favorite episodes a couple of 20 00:01:14,384 --> 00:01:18,184 Speaker 1: months ago, the fact that actor Andrew Garfield was dating 21 00:01:18,264 --> 00:01:21,304 Speaker 1: Kate Thomas, who is a spiritual leader, doctor Kate, doctor 22 00:01:21,384 --> 00:01:25,624 Speaker 1: Kate Apologize, who is a spiritual guru, an author, and 23 00:01:25,744 --> 00:01:28,024 Speaker 1: a self proclaimed professional witch. 24 00:01:28,144 --> 00:01:30,184 Speaker 3: And the different to mediocre witches. 25 00:01:30,344 --> 00:01:32,304 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, No, No, she's got a whole business stuff 26 00:01:32,304 --> 00:01:35,264 Speaker 1: around it, like she's got things happening. She's monetized her witchcraft, 27 00:01:35,304 --> 00:01:38,584 Speaker 1: which we respect. And the reason this came to light, 28 00:01:38,824 --> 00:01:40,744 Speaker 1: and the reason it was such a big discussion at 29 00:01:40,784 --> 00:01:43,424 Speaker 1: the time, is that obviously people were very interested in 30 00:01:43,424 --> 00:01:46,984 Speaker 1: who Andrew was dating. But there was all these photos 31 00:01:47,024 --> 00:01:48,624 Speaker 1: that came out of him and Kate walking through the 32 00:01:48,664 --> 00:01:51,984 Speaker 1: streets looking loved up, kissing, holding hands, and it all 33 00:01:52,024 --> 00:01:54,104 Speaker 1: blow up because people like, she's too ugly to be 34 00:01:54,184 --> 00:01:57,704 Speaker 1: with him, she's a normy. And then there were allegations, 35 00:01:57,784 --> 00:02:02,864 Speaker 1: multiple multiple allegations that she had used witchcraft to trap 36 00:02:02,984 --> 00:02:05,264 Speaker 1: him and make him fall in love with her, which 37 00:02:05,304 --> 00:02:07,264 Speaker 1: she had to come out on her own podcast and 38 00:02:07,304 --> 00:02:10,104 Speaker 1: say I would never use my powers for evil like that, 39 00:02:10,464 --> 00:02:12,624 Speaker 1: not that it's important to note that she didn't say 40 00:02:12,664 --> 00:02:18,224 Speaker 1: she couldn't, she said she wouldn't. That's such an important distinction. 41 00:02:18,624 --> 00:02:20,584 Speaker 1: So they hadn't been seen together for a while, and 42 00:02:20,664 --> 00:02:22,864 Speaker 1: he's doing a lot of press for his new movie 43 00:02:23,064 --> 00:02:25,144 Speaker 1: with Florence Pugh. We live in time at the moment, 44 00:02:25,264 --> 00:02:27,544 Speaker 1: and because that's a love story, people have been so 45 00:02:27,664 --> 00:02:30,144 Speaker 1: invested in what's happening with him and Kate, and so 46 00:02:30,264 --> 00:02:33,184 Speaker 1: a follower asked on her Instagram, are you still dating 47 00:02:33,224 --> 00:02:35,744 Speaker 1: Andrew Garfield? If so, tell him I'm a fan of him. 48 00:02:35,824 --> 00:02:38,504 Speaker 1: Please thank you. And then Kate came back and said, 49 00:02:38,584 --> 00:02:40,424 Speaker 1: we broke up a few months ago, but I'm sure 50 00:02:40,464 --> 00:02:42,504 Speaker 1: he'd be happy to know that he has loved. 51 00:02:42,424 --> 00:02:44,224 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure he's so happy. I remember. 52 00:02:44,264 --> 00:02:46,664 Speaker 2: We also talked about how we felt like she was 53 00:02:46,704 --> 00:02:49,024 Speaker 2: doing her business and disservice at the time, because I 54 00:02:49,024 --> 00:02:51,344 Speaker 2: would be like, yeah, curse him, and you can too, 55 00:02:53,104 --> 00:02:53,904 Speaker 2: buy my package. 56 00:02:53,944 --> 00:02:56,704 Speaker 1: It's important to note that she was selling packages like 57 00:02:56,864 --> 00:03:00,344 Speaker 1: love spell packages and like witchcraft packages that you could learn. 58 00:03:01,184 --> 00:03:02,864 Speaker 1: I think it was like some spells, but also of 59 00:03:02,864 --> 00:03:04,664 Speaker 1: course you could do yeah, and I mean. 60 00:03:05,024 --> 00:03:08,064 Speaker 3: You know what after two classes of wine, tie me up? 61 00:03:08,144 --> 00:03:11,024 Speaker 1: But also proof of concept I think is soon important 62 00:03:11,104 --> 00:03:13,544 Speaker 1: in any small business, and she definitely had that, because 63 00:03:13,584 --> 00:03:15,264 Speaker 1: you're right, she could have said, yeah, I cast a 64 00:03:15,264 --> 00:03:17,824 Speaker 1: spell and for like one hundred, two hundred dollars. How 65 00:03:17,904 --> 00:03:20,904 Speaker 1: much did you pay to date Andrew Garfield live? 66 00:03:20,904 --> 00:03:23,864 Speaker 2: It does not exist. So I did some extensive research 67 00:03:23,944 --> 00:03:27,704 Speaker 2: into this. Oh okay, because surely it can't be an 68 00:03:27,704 --> 00:03:29,904 Speaker 2: easy decision to break up with a witch. 69 00:03:30,384 --> 00:03:32,344 Speaker 1: You would have a moment of thought like it's all 70 00:03:32,384 --> 00:03:34,344 Speaker 1: sexy and fun to fall in love with a witch, 71 00:03:34,384 --> 00:03:37,304 Speaker 1: but when the breakup comes, you start thinking I'm going 72 00:03:37,344 --> 00:03:38,504 Speaker 1: to be it's going to happen. 73 00:03:38,664 --> 00:03:42,864 Speaker 2: So I fell into this like reddit like hole of like, oh. 74 00:03:42,784 --> 00:03:44,744 Speaker 1: Is there actual instructions on what to do when you bring. 75 00:03:44,944 --> 00:03:45,784 Speaker 3: So I found no. 76 00:03:45,864 --> 00:03:49,464 Speaker 2: I actually found some like witch subreddits okay, where they 77 00:03:49,464 --> 00:03:51,544 Speaker 2: were talking about like if you want to get into witchery, 78 00:03:51,664 --> 00:03:55,184 Speaker 2: like these all the things. So depending how they broke up, 79 00:03:55,224 --> 00:03:57,304 Speaker 2: I feel like they would have been fine. But we 80 00:03:57,384 --> 00:03:59,544 Speaker 2: do know that she was the type of person. I 81 00:03:59,544 --> 00:04:01,304 Speaker 2: remember her saying that she never wanted to be defined 82 00:04:01,304 --> 00:04:03,744 Speaker 2: by her relationship. Sure she hated that everyone was talking 83 00:04:03,744 --> 00:04:07,744 Speaker 2: about like her in context with him. So in case 84 00:04:07,784 --> 00:04:10,304 Speaker 2: she's not happy, this is what kind of Andrew Garf 85 00:04:10,504 --> 00:04:12,864 Speaker 2: has to look at. So there's three things she could do. 86 00:04:13,344 --> 00:04:15,464 Speaker 2: It's a jinx, a hex, or a curse. 87 00:04:15,664 --> 00:04:17,464 Speaker 1: Oh okay, I feel like that's in order of like, 88 00:04:17,544 --> 00:04:19,304 Speaker 1: ye're getting more serious as we go along. 89 00:04:19,504 --> 00:04:21,944 Speaker 2: So a jinx, if she performs jinx, it's like a 90 00:04:21,944 --> 00:04:25,464 Speaker 2: fairly harmless trick. It's more like an annoyance. Like she 91 00:04:25,544 --> 00:04:27,944 Speaker 2: might be like your pillow will never be cold at 92 00:04:28,264 --> 00:04:28,744 Speaker 2: be warm on. 93 00:04:28,744 --> 00:04:30,864 Speaker 1: Boat side, your shoelace will come undone every day for 94 00:04:30,904 --> 00:04:33,024 Speaker 1: a week, something annoy annoying. 95 00:04:33,464 --> 00:04:36,064 Speaker 3: A hex is kind of like causing herm but not killing. 96 00:04:36,184 --> 00:04:40,224 Speaker 2: Oh sure, So it's also like temporary, Okay, a curse 97 00:04:40,304 --> 00:04:42,744 Speaker 2: this is the one you do because a curse like, 98 00:04:42,824 --> 00:04:45,464 Speaker 2: once you have it, unless you can find a countercurse, 99 00:04:45,824 --> 00:04:48,944 Speaker 2: you will have it for life, sometimes across generations. 100 00:04:49,064 --> 00:04:52,384 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, like you curse your children's children, so ass. 101 00:04:52,224 --> 00:04:54,104 Speaker 3: Kids, and he's cursed. 102 00:04:54,784 --> 00:04:55,264 Speaker 1: I don't know. 103 00:04:55,464 --> 00:04:56,864 Speaker 2: I think he might need to like step out of 104 00:04:56,904 --> 00:04:59,264 Speaker 2: the witch game for a bit. I would avoid dating 105 00:04:59,304 --> 00:05:02,744 Speaker 2: witches about him. Yeah, but I mean, I'm sure she's 106 00:05:02,784 --> 00:05:04,704 Speaker 2: a nice person that you didn't do that because she 107 00:05:04,704 --> 00:05:06,944 Speaker 2: said she wouldn't, Yes, but she could. 108 00:05:07,344 --> 00:05:09,304 Speaker 1: I definitely would. The takeaway from this is that she 109 00:05:09,344 --> 00:05:12,744 Speaker 1: said she wouldn't, but she definitely could. Well. Look, I'm 110 00:05:12,784 --> 00:05:14,944 Speaker 1: excited to see who she dates next. I'm very invested 111 00:05:14,984 --> 00:05:17,264 Speaker 1: in this woman now. And I guess we'll be watching 112 00:05:17,264 --> 00:05:19,464 Speaker 1: Andrew Garfield and the We Live in Time press tour 113 00:05:19,704 --> 00:05:23,344 Speaker 1: just in case, yeah, I messes something out, in case 114 00:05:23,344 --> 00:05:27,784 Speaker 1: a curse or a jinx rears its head. So last night, 115 00:05:27,824 --> 00:05:30,504 Speaker 1: as I was going to sleep, a video came into 116 00:05:30,504 --> 00:05:35,264 Speaker 1: my orbit and it was Nicole Kidman and Samahayak at 117 00:05:35,384 --> 00:05:38,784 Speaker 1: Paris Fashion Week at a Balenciaga show, and the video 118 00:05:38,864 --> 00:05:41,064 Speaker 1: show then there was like a throng, like a huge 119 00:05:41,064 --> 00:05:45,104 Speaker 1: group of photographers around them, flashing lights, cameras, yelling, and 120 00:05:45,384 --> 00:05:48,664 Speaker 1: it looked like Samma Hayak put her arm across Nicole 121 00:05:48,744 --> 00:05:51,864 Speaker 1: Kidman to turn her around to face the photographers in 122 00:05:51,904 --> 00:05:55,184 Speaker 1: a different way while they were both talking to Katie Perry. 123 00:05:55,704 --> 00:05:59,064 Speaker 1: And in the video, it appears to the naked eye 124 00:05:59,344 --> 00:06:02,144 Speaker 1: as if Nicole Kidman sort of takes Sammahayak's hand and 125 00:06:02,224 --> 00:06:05,504 Speaker 1: pushes it away and then walks away. And I saw 126 00:06:05,504 --> 00:06:08,344 Speaker 1: that and thought that's going to escalate. And then I 127 00:06:08,424 --> 00:06:10,144 Speaker 1: went to sleep, and I woke up this morning and 128 00:06:10,344 --> 00:06:13,664 Speaker 1: sure enough, it had escalated. It was everywhere. It had 129 00:06:13,664 --> 00:06:16,584 Speaker 1: gone viral, and People magazine had a series of statements 130 00:06:16,624 --> 00:06:19,784 Speaker 1: from people behind the scenes explaining what really happened. So 131 00:06:19,824 --> 00:06:21,784 Speaker 1: a few things to note about this video. One, it's 132 00:06:21,824 --> 00:06:24,744 Speaker 1: from September thirty, so it's quite old. I think a 133 00:06:24,744 --> 00:06:26,624 Speaker 1: lot of people were looking at it thought that it was, 134 00:06:26,704 --> 00:06:28,824 Speaker 1: you know, it happened yesterday all today or something like that, 135 00:06:28,864 --> 00:06:31,264 Speaker 1: but it was just a TikTok user found the video, 136 00:06:31,544 --> 00:06:34,784 Speaker 1: posted the clip, and it escalated to the point of 137 00:06:34,984 --> 00:06:37,784 Speaker 1: Nicole Kimmin's a real bitch because she pushed Salma Haak, 138 00:06:37,864 --> 00:06:39,784 Speaker 1: and then other people like, no, Salma Haak is the 139 00:06:39,824 --> 00:06:43,024 Speaker 1: bitch because she was trying to push Nicole, and Katy 140 00:06:43,104 --> 00:06:45,344 Speaker 1: Perry's there and somehow she's in the wrong too because 141 00:06:45,344 --> 00:06:46,224 Speaker 1: she watched it happen. 142 00:06:47,104 --> 00:06:49,144 Speaker 3: It just like appears out of nowhere to its end. 143 00:06:49,544 --> 00:06:51,464 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It's just probably like I might even evolved 144 00:06:51,464 --> 00:06:54,984 Speaker 1: in this. And then statements came out to People magazine, 145 00:06:55,224 --> 00:06:57,824 Speaker 1: where again no one's quoted directly, but it kind of 146 00:06:57,824 --> 00:06:59,664 Speaker 1: thought to be from their teams where it's like the 147 00:06:59,664 --> 00:07:02,344 Speaker 1: whole situation is silly. Some and Aicole love and respect 148 00:07:02,424 --> 00:07:04,744 Speaker 1: each other very much. What you don't see on this 149 00:07:04,944 --> 00:07:07,864 Speaker 1: is that if you watch the longer video of what happened, 150 00:07:07,904 --> 00:07:09,504 Speaker 1: which has been around for ages. But this is what 151 00:07:09,504 --> 00:07:12,144 Speaker 1: happens when something gets cut up for TikTok, is that 152 00:07:12,624 --> 00:07:15,264 Speaker 1: Salma and Nicole come back together afterwards and take some 153 00:07:15,304 --> 00:07:18,504 Speaker 1: like nice smiling photos together. But in the moment, it 154 00:07:18,584 --> 00:07:21,064 Speaker 1: did look like they had quite the beef. 155 00:07:21,464 --> 00:07:24,344 Speaker 2: It looked like they were a bit frazzled because I 156 00:07:24,384 --> 00:07:28,584 Speaker 2: think there were photographers and interviewers like around them, Like 157 00:07:28,624 --> 00:07:30,944 Speaker 2: it wasn't just like a panel of photographers and they 158 00:07:30,944 --> 00:07:32,464 Speaker 2: were on the other side of it, like they were 159 00:07:32,504 --> 00:07:33,904 Speaker 2: like surrounding them in a circle. 160 00:07:34,064 --> 00:07:34,304 Speaker 1: Yeah. 161 00:07:34,424 --> 00:07:38,784 Speaker 2: Usually they were quite confused on like where like the direction? Yeah, yeah, exactly, 162 00:07:38,784 --> 00:07:40,184 Speaker 2: And it felt like someone was like, no, we need 163 00:07:40,224 --> 00:07:42,424 Speaker 2: to face this way. So she's guiding the coal and 164 00:07:42,504 --> 00:07:44,984 Speaker 2: Nicole was like, no, I want to face this way. Kay, 165 00:07:45,024 --> 00:07:46,664 Speaker 2: Perry's in the back, going which way do I face? 166 00:07:46,744 --> 00:07:47,824 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, they're all confused. 167 00:07:47,824 --> 00:07:49,144 Speaker 3: So they're all very confused. 168 00:07:49,384 --> 00:07:53,104 Speaker 2: I saw this one comment that was so bizarre that 169 00:07:53,184 --> 00:07:57,784 Speaker 2: I was cackling at my desk. This person said, it 170 00:07:57,824 --> 00:08:01,304 Speaker 2: looks like Selma Hayek was like almost about to brush 171 00:08:01,344 --> 00:08:04,904 Speaker 2: against Nicole Kidman's breast. And not a lot of bisexual 172 00:08:04,944 --> 00:08:07,704 Speaker 2: women like to be flamboyant about their bisexuality, which is 173 00:08:07,704 --> 00:08:10,464 Speaker 2: why Nicole Kidman pushed her arm away. 174 00:08:13,944 --> 00:08:18,784 Speaker 1: That's so many jumps and so much thought. So, who's 175 00:08:18,784 --> 00:08:22,504 Speaker 1: bisexual on this in this inside Nicole the user? 176 00:08:23,064 --> 00:08:24,784 Speaker 3: Maybe Katie, I'm confirmed. 177 00:08:24,864 --> 00:08:26,664 Speaker 1: Oh that's a lot to put into a video of 178 00:08:26,744 --> 00:08:27,544 Speaker 1: something pushed away. 179 00:08:27,624 --> 00:08:30,624 Speaker 2: It's just so funny how like you watch these videos 180 00:08:30,704 --> 00:08:34,024 Speaker 2: and then you hear someone's take, and then you hear 181 00:08:34,024 --> 00:08:37,584 Speaker 2: another person's take, and it keeps snowballing and snowballing and snowballing, 182 00:08:37,904 --> 00:08:40,184 Speaker 2: and then you get these wild comments that if you 183 00:08:40,224 --> 00:08:42,464 Speaker 2: just read these comments on its own without watching the video, 184 00:08:42,504 --> 00:08:44,024 Speaker 2: you'd be like, I don't even know what I'm expected to. 185 00:08:44,024 --> 00:08:47,104 Speaker 1: See exactly, Well, this is what I'm saying. When it escalated, 186 00:08:47,184 --> 00:08:49,104 Speaker 1: because it went from like, oh, this video is a 187 00:08:49,144 --> 00:08:51,584 Speaker 1: bit weird, what do we think happened here? Seven hours 188 00:08:51,624 --> 00:08:54,264 Speaker 1: later when I woke up, it was like they've always 189 00:08:54,304 --> 00:08:56,704 Speaker 1: had long standing beef and Cole has had enough and 190 00:08:56,704 --> 00:08:59,824 Speaker 1: she chose that moment to set a boundary with Salmahayak, 191 00:08:59,864 --> 00:09:01,784 Speaker 1: And I was like, Nicole Kidman has been a very 192 00:09:01,904 --> 00:09:04,384 Speaker 1: very famous woman having to sort of keep a lot 193 00:09:04,384 --> 00:09:06,184 Speaker 1: of different things in the air when she's in the 194 00:09:06,224 --> 00:09:09,624 Speaker 1: public eye for over thirty years. If she's gonna push 195 00:09:09,624 --> 00:09:11,864 Speaker 1: Salma Hayek, that woman knows how to do it away 196 00:09:11,864 --> 00:09:13,424 Speaker 1: from the camera, like she's not going to do it 197 00:09:13,464 --> 00:09:16,624 Speaker 1: in front of people. And also, Nicole Kidman infamously knows 198 00:09:16,624 --> 00:09:18,544 Speaker 1: how to be salty to people that she doesn't like 199 00:09:18,984 --> 00:09:20,544 Speaker 1: in front of a camera. Have you ever seen that 200 00:09:20,624 --> 00:09:21,584 Speaker 1: viral clip on her? 201 00:09:22,064 --> 00:09:22,624 Speaker 3: Mate thought? 202 00:09:23,224 --> 00:09:24,784 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen that viral clip of her on 203 00:09:24,824 --> 00:09:28,144 Speaker 1: the Ellen DeGeneres Show. And they have a celebrity chef 204 00:09:28,184 --> 00:09:30,904 Speaker 1: in who's been like all sweet and lovely, and Nicole 205 00:09:30,984 --> 00:09:34,184 Speaker 1: Kidman is like just not vibing with her, and through 206 00:09:34,224 --> 00:09:36,944 Speaker 1: the whole cooking segment they're in this like battle of 207 00:09:36,984 --> 00:09:38,904 Speaker 1: like sniping in each other, but it's all very lovely 208 00:09:38,944 --> 00:09:41,064 Speaker 1: and nice, and she's telling Nicole Kimen to move and 209 00:09:41,104 --> 00:09:43,224 Speaker 1: Nicole Kimmen's being like kind of like trying to get 210 00:09:43,264 --> 00:09:45,184 Speaker 1: into her space. And then she gives Nicole Kimens the 211 00:09:45,224 --> 00:09:47,784 Speaker 1: pizza to eat. Nicole Kimmen like bites into it. She's like, Oh, 212 00:09:47,824 --> 00:09:49,704 Speaker 1: it's a bit tough and chewy, isn't it. Then she 213 00:09:49,744 --> 00:09:52,104 Speaker 1: looks at the audience and kind of like like makes 214 00:09:52,104 --> 00:09:54,984 Speaker 1: a face as if like this is disgusting, and the 215 00:09:55,064 --> 00:09:57,544 Speaker 1: celebrity chef's getting really upset and Ellen's just watching them, 216 00:09:57,624 --> 00:09:59,784 Speaker 1: and I was like, she knows what to do if 217 00:09:59,824 --> 00:10:01,544 Speaker 1: she has beef with someone. I'm going to show that 218 00:10:01,544 --> 00:10:02,864 Speaker 1: clip to you afterwards. It's so good. 219 00:10:02,944 --> 00:10:04,264 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I think we should put that on 220 00:10:04,304 --> 00:10:07,824 Speaker 2: that social Yeah, Cole caman beef. We should be talking 221 00:10:07,824 --> 00:10:08,824 Speaker 2: about it exactly. 222 00:10:08,864 --> 00:10:10,824 Speaker 1: I don't think that celebrity chef I wish I her name. 223 00:10:10,864 --> 00:10:13,064 Speaker 1: My mum's a big fan of her, has never recovered 224 00:10:13,104 --> 00:10:15,904 Speaker 1: from that from having her cooking disc by Nicole Kingman 225 00:10:15,904 --> 00:10:18,024 Speaker 1: on the Ellen DeGeneres Show. But what I'm saying here 226 00:10:18,064 --> 00:10:20,224 Speaker 1: is that maybe she didn't even realize who was grabbing her, 227 00:10:20,264 --> 00:10:22,144 Speaker 1: because there's lots of so many people. 228 00:10:22,144 --> 00:10:24,224 Speaker 3: There could have been Katie. Maybe she has beef with Katie. 229 00:10:24,544 --> 00:10:26,424 Speaker 1: That's Katie's arm from that rumor. 230 00:10:26,544 --> 00:10:27,304 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm on board. 231 00:10:27,344 --> 00:10:29,424 Speaker 1: But okay, So there's a video where you can kind 232 00:10:29,424 --> 00:10:31,104 Speaker 1: of hear them talking to each other, but you can't 233 00:10:31,144 --> 00:10:34,824 Speaker 1: make it out. Nicole pushes some away. Sama looks I 234 00:10:34,824 --> 00:10:38,064 Speaker 1: guess confused, but not that upset, and then Nicole turns 235 00:10:38,064 --> 00:10:40,144 Speaker 1: back around to her and goes towards her and says 236 00:10:40,184 --> 00:10:41,904 Speaker 1: something grand. 237 00:10:42,504 --> 00:10:44,464 Speaker 2: And she's like, in a way that's saying like, if 238 00:10:44,464 --> 00:10:47,904 Speaker 2: they're not talking, it looks like, yeah, okay, she said, 239 00:10:48,104 --> 00:10:51,424 Speaker 2: it looks like she's going, don't touch me, like stop, 240 00:10:51,984 --> 00:10:53,264 Speaker 2: that's what it looks like. 241 00:10:53,504 --> 00:10:54,024 Speaker 1: But it does. 242 00:10:54,144 --> 00:10:57,624 Speaker 2: Her face is very like not angry, so she's clearly 243 00:10:57,704 --> 00:11:01,184 Speaker 2: saying something else. She's clearly saying something like sorry that 244 00:11:01,264 --> 00:11:02,704 Speaker 2: I accidentally pushed arm away. 245 00:11:02,824 --> 00:11:06,064 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's like, oh someone was that you? I didn't 246 00:11:06,064 --> 00:11:06,744 Speaker 1: see you down there. 247 00:11:06,784 --> 00:11:09,104 Speaker 2: That's just a huge high difference between them. 248 00:11:09,184 --> 00:11:12,024 Speaker 1: Please you and me. I know I would push trampling 249 00:11:12,104 --> 00:11:13,824 Speaker 1: on me. I know because I can only see the 250 00:11:13,824 --> 00:11:15,184 Speaker 1: top of your head bobbing around the office. 251 00:11:16,104 --> 00:11:16,384 Speaker 3: It's you. 252 00:11:16,664 --> 00:11:18,744 Speaker 1: I know. Actually I did think of us when I 253 00:11:18,784 --> 00:11:20,144 Speaker 1: was watching it, because I was like, one of us 254 00:11:20,144 --> 00:11:21,784 Speaker 1: would like push the other away. If I tried to 255 00:11:21,784 --> 00:11:24,024 Speaker 1: turn you around, you'd be like, no, it doesn't mean 256 00:11:24,024 --> 00:11:24,624 Speaker 1: we hear each other. 257 00:11:24,624 --> 00:11:26,224 Speaker 3: I mean maybe I'm just trying to grab your boot 258 00:11:26,304 --> 00:11:27,344 Speaker 3: and I know, and my. 259 00:11:27,344 --> 00:11:30,824 Speaker 1: Boob is at your head level exactly. Wait, oh my gosh, 260 00:11:30,824 --> 00:11:31,704 Speaker 1: were reenacted. 261 00:11:32,144 --> 00:11:34,064 Speaker 3: We should we should be like what actually happens? 262 00:11:34,104 --> 00:11:34,464 Speaker 1: The truth? 263 00:11:34,504 --> 00:11:36,784 Speaker 2: The next time I go to a premiere, we'll reenacted. 264 00:11:36,944 --> 00:11:38,304 Speaker 2: Get dogs around will be great. 265 00:11:38,344 --> 00:11:41,184 Speaker 1: I know we'll clear the names of Summer and Nicole. No, no, no, no. 266 00:11:42,784 --> 00:11:45,144 Speaker 1: What's your favorite style right now? I like very like 267 00:11:45,344 --> 00:11:52,544 Speaker 1: street wearing, like nineties Tyler de Creator. My dad me. 268 00:11:53,224 --> 00:11:56,704 Speaker 2: If you could live inside of a cartoon, which one 269 00:11:56,704 --> 00:11:59,024 Speaker 2: would it be? Barbie? 270 00:11:59,744 --> 00:12:01,664 Speaker 1: Why? I really like Raquel. 271 00:12:01,784 --> 00:12:02,784 Speaker 2: Fun fact about Nora. 272 00:12:03,104 --> 00:12:06,064 Speaker 3: Every night when she falls asleep, she needs the temia. 273 00:12:06,104 --> 00:12:08,624 Speaker 1: That's not a fun fact. 274 00:12:07,424 --> 00:12:10,184 Speaker 3: That's Northwest remember her. 275 00:12:10,864 --> 00:12:12,384 Speaker 1: I'm vaguely aware of this girl, Yesh. 276 00:12:12,424 --> 00:12:14,184 Speaker 2: I think the last time we heard of her she 277 00:12:14,384 --> 00:12:16,664 Speaker 2: was dancing on stage with the Castle the Lion King, 278 00:12:17,304 --> 00:12:19,624 Speaker 2: and now she's right in front of her faces for 279 00:12:19,664 --> 00:12:23,344 Speaker 2: this brand new interview. She's on the cover of Interview magazine. 280 00:12:23,664 --> 00:12:26,624 Speaker 2: We've talked about Interview magazine quite a bit in the past. 281 00:12:26,624 --> 00:12:28,424 Speaker 2: If they do this thing where they get celebrities to 282 00:12:28,464 --> 00:12:33,104 Speaker 2: interview other celebrities, famously Childish Gambino interviewed himself, Yes for 283 00:12:33,184 --> 00:12:36,704 Speaker 2: this one. Kim Kardashiannaught's mum interviewed Northwest. 284 00:12:37,264 --> 00:12:38,664 Speaker 1: So the whole. 285 00:12:38,344 --> 00:12:41,864 Speaker 2: Interview has gone completely viral, like I've been seeing clips 286 00:12:41,904 --> 00:12:45,464 Speaker 2: on TikTok Instagram. They also did some video elements of 287 00:12:45,504 --> 00:12:49,704 Speaker 2: it that have been seen everywhere. She does come across 288 00:12:50,384 --> 00:12:53,184 Speaker 2: not great, and we've talked about this before, like a 289 00:12:53,264 --> 00:12:55,904 Speaker 2: kid coming across not great, giving her the benefit of 290 00:12:55,904 --> 00:12:58,264 Speaker 2: the doubt. I think she's just acting like every eleven 291 00:12:58,344 --> 00:13:01,144 Speaker 2: year old, which is a narcissist because that's exactly how 292 00:13:01,184 --> 00:13:03,544 Speaker 2: I would have acted Divas eleven years old. So I 293 00:13:03,584 --> 00:13:05,944 Speaker 2: wanted to kind of break down some of the questions 294 00:13:05,984 --> 00:13:09,464 Speaker 2: and answers that happened in this interview because I think 295 00:13:09,544 --> 00:13:12,024 Speaker 2: up until now the Kardashians in particular have been quite 296 00:13:12,024 --> 00:13:16,224 Speaker 2: protective over their children on like using socials, what they see, 297 00:13:16,264 --> 00:13:19,184 Speaker 2: like how their families interpreted in the press. They kind 298 00:13:19,224 --> 00:13:21,664 Speaker 2: of like protect them on that account, And this just 299 00:13:21,664 --> 00:13:24,264 Speaker 2: feels like a whole other step forward of like Kim 300 00:13:24,304 --> 00:13:29,544 Speaker 2: Kardashian pushing Northwest into kind of like would you say, stardom, 301 00:13:29,624 --> 00:13:33,224 Speaker 2: but still in like a controlled environment as well. 302 00:13:33,184 --> 00:13:35,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, pushing her to be famous and to sort of 303 00:13:35,664 --> 00:13:37,664 Speaker 1: not even just to be famous, but to could develop 304 00:13:37,704 --> 00:13:40,184 Speaker 1: her own brand and her own kind of notoriety in 305 00:13:40,224 --> 00:13:40,824 Speaker 1: the industry. 306 00:13:41,224 --> 00:13:44,544 Speaker 2: My favorite part of the interview was when Kim Kardashian asked, 307 00:13:44,864 --> 00:13:46,624 Speaker 2: what do you want to be when you grow up, 308 00:13:47,384 --> 00:13:50,144 Speaker 2: and Na said, I don't know, because I already do 309 00:13:50,224 --> 00:13:51,704 Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff that I want to be 310 00:13:51,784 --> 00:13:52,544 Speaker 2: when I grow up. 311 00:13:52,744 --> 00:13:53,504 Speaker 3: I just want to. 312 00:13:53,464 --> 00:13:58,784 Speaker 2: Pursue my careers s now. Kim Kashian said, that's amazing 313 00:13:58,824 --> 00:13:59,984 Speaker 2: that you know so young. 314 00:14:00,824 --> 00:14:03,224 Speaker 1: But I actually think that's a very honest answer. And 315 00:14:03,264 --> 00:14:05,464 Speaker 1: if she hadn't been that honest, people would have been 316 00:14:05,544 --> 00:14:07,864 Speaker 1: down on her anyway, because she said, oh, I get 317 00:14:07,944 --> 00:14:10,344 Speaker 1: to do a lot of stuff now that people dream, 318 00:14:10,664 --> 00:14:11,384 Speaker 1: which is true. 319 00:14:11,424 --> 00:14:14,464 Speaker 3: Like talk, She's like, you need to know that this 320 00:14:14,624 --> 00:14:15,384 Speaker 3: is your life. 321 00:14:15,304 --> 00:14:17,504 Speaker 1: And also this is not what most people have. But 322 00:14:17,544 --> 00:14:19,744 Speaker 1: she's just being really honest because all these things that 323 00:14:19,784 --> 00:14:21,544 Speaker 1: people dream of from their kids about what they might 324 00:14:21,584 --> 00:14:23,824 Speaker 1: do when they're older. I'll perform on stage in a 325 00:14:23,944 --> 00:14:28,104 Speaker 1: musical theater adaptation, I'll design clothes, I'll sit front of 326 00:14:28,264 --> 00:14:30,944 Speaker 1: Paris Fashion Week, I'll be in a music video. She's 327 00:14:31,024 --> 00:14:33,384 Speaker 1: done all of that so like and that's amazing, but 328 00:14:33,464 --> 00:14:36,264 Speaker 1: it definitely would skew. What do you dream of when 329 00:14:36,304 --> 00:14:38,264 Speaker 1: everything's come to you that early? That's what always think 330 00:14:38,264 --> 00:14:40,984 Speaker 1: about NEPO baby, what do they dream off? I just 331 00:14:40,984 --> 00:14:42,464 Speaker 1: want to get a bunch of Nepo babies on the 332 00:14:42,504 --> 00:14:45,344 Speaker 1: phone and asks like, what are you dreaming and pushing off? 333 00:14:45,384 --> 00:14:47,904 Speaker 2: And does it ever do they dream about like what 334 00:14:47,944 --> 00:14:51,824 Speaker 2: we have? Maybe they want mundane life, yeah, mundane sad 335 00:14:51,904 --> 00:14:52,464 Speaker 2: curl life. 336 00:14:52,464 --> 00:14:55,024 Speaker 1: But or do they just dream about feeling really excited 337 00:14:55,064 --> 00:14:56,904 Speaker 1: and proud of something, because obviously there's a lot of 338 00:14:56,944 --> 00:15:00,344 Speaker 1: NEPO babies out there that achieve amazing things. But does 339 00:15:00,384 --> 00:15:03,264 Speaker 1: it ever feel like you achieved it? You would always 340 00:15:03,304 --> 00:15:06,304 Speaker 1: have that thing of this was handed to me. Maybe 341 00:15:06,304 --> 00:15:08,584 Speaker 1: they dream of proving themselves. That's why they're also angry 342 00:15:08,624 --> 00:15:10,464 Speaker 1: and being like it's so hard being a NEPO baby. 343 00:15:10,584 --> 00:15:12,544 Speaker 3: Oh my god, this has just blown. 344 00:15:13,384 --> 00:15:14,504 Speaker 1: Dream of a book coming. 345 00:15:17,064 --> 00:15:19,024 Speaker 2: There was this other part of this interview that I knew. 346 00:15:19,264 --> 00:15:22,464 Speaker 2: I could just feel the rage behind Kim Kardashian when 347 00:15:22,464 --> 00:15:25,344 Speaker 2: she gave this answer. Kim asked who is your favorite 348 00:15:25,384 --> 00:15:29,944 Speaker 2: rapper and Nord said, you know, Miles. Kim then said 349 00:15:29,984 --> 00:15:33,544 Speaker 2: for real and Nort said, yes, you know, Miles is 350 00:15:33,584 --> 00:15:36,024 Speaker 2: not a real rapper. He is like what you would 351 00:15:36,024 --> 00:15:38,544 Speaker 2: call a meme rapper, like he takes the piss out 352 00:15:38,544 --> 00:15:38,984 Speaker 2: of rapping. 353 00:15:39,544 --> 00:15:40,664 Speaker 3: He's like big. 354 00:15:40,384 --> 00:15:44,824 Speaker 2: On TikTok YouTube for like not rhyming words like saying 355 00:15:44,904 --> 00:15:49,024 Speaker 2: like weird stuff. None of his like music like makes sense. 356 00:15:49,104 --> 00:15:51,504 Speaker 2: It sounds really weird, and he's just become a meme 357 00:15:51,584 --> 00:15:54,664 Speaker 2: of that. And I think Kim, thinking that she would 358 00:15:54,704 --> 00:15:57,664 Speaker 2: say someone like Kanye, would have been like, you have 359 00:15:57,784 --> 00:16:01,584 Speaker 2: just given this guy like so much airtime, Like so 360 00:16:01,744 --> 00:16:03,864 Speaker 2: many people are now going to be looking him up. 361 00:16:03,904 --> 00:16:06,704 Speaker 2: You're giving him so much clout. We should have discussed 362 00:16:06,744 --> 00:16:07,344 Speaker 2: this beforehand. 363 00:16:07,464 --> 00:16:10,104 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the first time you really feel a generational 364 00:16:10,144 --> 00:16:12,744 Speaker 1: game between them, which is funny because Kim Kardashian is 365 00:16:12,784 --> 00:16:16,224 Speaker 1: in her forties and Northwest is eleven, and yet it 366 00:16:16,264 --> 00:16:19,664 Speaker 1: doesn't come off with this like stereotypical mom kid thing 367 00:16:19,704 --> 00:16:21,824 Speaker 1: of Kim being like, back in my day, you know 368 00:16:21,864 --> 00:16:24,184 Speaker 1: we did this and like rappers like really made music. 369 00:16:24,224 --> 00:16:26,424 Speaker 1: But that's the first time it comes across as her 370 00:16:26,504 --> 00:16:28,624 Speaker 1: mum being like, this isn't like there's so many rappers 371 00:16:28,664 --> 00:16:30,344 Speaker 1: that you've grown up around and you've met and you've 372 00:16:30,344 --> 00:16:33,024 Speaker 1: been in the videos and you're naming some guy on TikTok. 373 00:16:33,344 --> 00:16:35,984 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just know I could feel the rage behind 374 00:16:35,984 --> 00:16:36,264 Speaker 2: a Chane. 375 00:16:36,344 --> 00:16:38,184 Speaker 3: Yeah, my other PR machine's gonna have to work hard 376 00:16:38,224 --> 00:16:39,744 Speaker 3: on this one. Push this down. 377 00:16:40,064 --> 00:16:43,344 Speaker 2: I also wanted to talk about I guess the elephant 378 00:16:43,384 --> 00:16:46,944 Speaker 2: in the room, which is her father, Kanye West. Especially 379 00:16:46,984 --> 00:16:49,864 Speaker 2: now him being in headlines all these allegations, He's really 380 00:16:50,184 --> 00:16:53,744 Speaker 2: awful allegations coming across to him. Kim Kardashian in the 381 00:16:53,784 --> 00:16:58,064 Speaker 2: past before these allegations, has spoken about how when they divorced, 382 00:16:58,104 --> 00:17:01,064 Speaker 2: she always wanted to make sure that like her children 383 00:17:01,144 --> 00:17:03,024 Speaker 2: saw him as a good father, that he is a 384 00:17:03,064 --> 00:17:05,024 Speaker 2: good father, and that she would protect the kids from 385 00:17:05,104 --> 00:17:08,064 Speaker 2: that no matter what. And they did talk about Kanye 386 00:17:08,104 --> 00:17:10,704 Speaker 2: in the interview in the beginning as a joke. North 387 00:17:10,824 --> 00:17:13,984 Speaker 2: was like, Hey, it's me Kanye West. She talked about 388 00:17:14,024 --> 00:17:16,824 Speaker 2: like how her favorite style right now is like her 389 00:17:16,904 --> 00:17:20,464 Speaker 2: dad herself street style. Kim also asked what was the 390 00:17:20,504 --> 00:17:22,304 Speaker 2: best day in your life, and she said, this. 391 00:17:22,424 --> 00:17:24,424 Speaker 1: Was my favorite part of the whole interview. I have 392 00:17:24,504 --> 00:17:26,024 Speaker 1: to say, this is the first time I was like, 393 00:17:26,024 --> 00:17:27,304 Speaker 1: I get it, Northwest, I get it. 394 00:17:27,864 --> 00:17:31,624 Speaker 2: So she said maybe in Italy with dad, and Kim said, 395 00:17:31,944 --> 00:17:34,384 Speaker 2: what were you doing and she said it was just 396 00:17:34,544 --> 00:17:37,184 Speaker 2: us and my siblings And that's when I really brought 397 00:17:37,184 --> 00:17:39,824 Speaker 2: them closer to God because we had this house and 398 00:17:39,864 --> 00:17:41,904 Speaker 2: there were these devil statues and I. 399 00:17:41,864 --> 00:17:43,144 Speaker 1: Was like, mmmm, no, girl. 400 00:17:44,064 --> 00:17:46,984 Speaker 2: I was like, we gotta pray. That's exactly what I've 401 00:17:46,984 --> 00:17:49,104 Speaker 2: done in file was eleven years well exactly. So then 402 00:17:49,144 --> 00:17:51,824 Speaker 2: I taught Shi and some and Saint how to pray. 403 00:17:52,064 --> 00:17:56,824 Speaker 2: God really did this thing after God really did his 404 00:17:56,864 --> 00:17:57,304 Speaker 2: thing after. 405 00:17:57,464 --> 00:17:59,424 Speaker 1: I feel like not enough people are talking about the 406 00:17:59,464 --> 00:18:02,064 Speaker 1: fact that Northwest went into a house in Italy or vacation, 407 00:18:02,504 --> 00:18:05,464 Speaker 1: saw devil statues and was like, She's like, I'm out 408 00:18:05,464 --> 00:18:07,224 Speaker 1: of here. I'm getting God to sort this out for 409 00:18:07,304 --> 00:18:09,504 Speaker 1: me right now, and she prayed them away. 410 00:18:10,704 --> 00:18:12,184 Speaker 3: That's the best day of her life. 411 00:18:13,144 --> 00:18:15,664 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, she defeated the devil. Would if that be 412 00:18:15,744 --> 00:18:16,984 Speaker 1: the best day of your life too? 413 00:18:17,384 --> 00:18:22,104 Speaker 2: I'm surpried she didn't call Andrew Garfield XT like I 414 00:18:22,144 --> 00:18:22,704 Speaker 2: need a curse. 415 00:18:22,704 --> 00:18:27,224 Speaker 1: We wouldn't, but you could could get rid of these devils. 416 00:18:27,544 --> 00:18:29,744 Speaker 1: And doctor Kate was like, I'm on it, Northwest, don't 417 00:18:29,744 --> 00:18:30,544 Speaker 1: even worry about it. 418 00:18:30,744 --> 00:18:33,144 Speaker 2: What's surprising to me about all of this was like, 419 00:18:33,184 --> 00:18:35,944 Speaker 2: it's so it's such a lighthearted, fun like mom daughter 420 00:18:36,064 --> 00:18:39,664 Speaker 2: interview and the way that they can still talk about 421 00:18:39,824 --> 00:18:43,704 Speaker 2: Kanye West without the kind of like deep stuff that's 422 00:18:43,704 --> 00:18:46,224 Speaker 2: happening with him right now. It makes me wonder like 423 00:18:46,704 --> 00:18:49,864 Speaker 2: is she still being protected from like everything that we're 424 00:18:49,904 --> 00:18:52,624 Speaker 2: saying about him, Like is she sing that because we 425 00:18:52,664 --> 00:18:55,224 Speaker 2: know she's on TikTok. She's like now wants to develop 426 00:18:55,304 --> 00:18:57,664 Speaker 2: like a brand. She wants to be like Northwest, like 427 00:18:57,704 --> 00:18:59,104 Speaker 2: developed style and stuff. 428 00:18:59,264 --> 00:18:59,824 Speaker 3: She still like. 429 00:18:59,784 --> 00:19:02,344 Speaker 2: Performs with him sometimes she's with him all the time. 430 00:19:03,144 --> 00:19:04,944 Speaker 2: How are they able to keep that away from her 431 00:19:04,944 --> 00:19:06,064 Speaker 2: and the rest of the kids. 432 00:19:06,384 --> 00:19:09,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting because on the background of Kardashian's quite 433 00:19:09,784 --> 00:19:12,224 Speaker 1: a bit, m does talk about this and the fact 434 00:19:12,224 --> 00:19:15,024 Speaker 1: that she's trying so hard to not let like the 435 00:19:15,104 --> 00:19:17,624 Speaker 1: kids only have their devices looking at TikTok and stuff 436 00:19:17,624 --> 00:19:20,384 Speaker 1: when they're being supervised, and no one is allowed to 437 00:19:20,424 --> 00:19:22,944 Speaker 1: mention any of the Kane stuff in particular in front 438 00:19:22,944 --> 00:19:25,184 Speaker 1: of them. I'm sure North to an extent would have 439 00:19:25,264 --> 00:19:27,264 Speaker 1: just picked up even just from kids at school, Like 440 00:19:27,584 --> 00:19:30,024 Speaker 1: that's my thing. I think that you can't change between 441 00:19:30,104 --> 00:19:32,464 Speaker 1: like where you live or how much money you have, 442 00:19:32,664 --> 00:19:35,704 Speaker 1: Like kids at school are still going to pass on information. 443 00:19:35,384 --> 00:19:36,624 Speaker 3: And she's not homeschool together. 444 00:19:36,744 --> 00:19:39,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, she goes to a school that weirdly, everyone is 445 00:19:39,184 --> 00:19:41,144 Speaker 1: aware of the school they go to, and because all 446 00:19:41,144 --> 00:19:43,784 Speaker 1: the Kardashian kids go there, and so I think that 447 00:19:43,824 --> 00:19:46,344 Speaker 1: she's probably aware of it. I do think that now 448 00:19:46,384 --> 00:19:48,384 Speaker 1: it has flips, So this interview would have been done 449 00:19:48,384 --> 00:19:50,744 Speaker 1: because there's a whole big styled photo shoot and everything. 450 00:19:50,784 --> 00:19:52,064 Speaker 1: So this would have been done a while ago, and 451 00:19:52,104 --> 00:19:55,104 Speaker 1: it's only been released now, and so what's come out 452 00:19:55,144 --> 00:19:58,304 Speaker 1: recently about Kanye West wouldn't have been out at the time. 453 00:19:58,904 --> 00:20:01,224 Speaker 1: I know, Kim Kardashian gets a lot of shit for 454 00:20:01,744 --> 00:20:04,024 Speaker 1: putting her kids in the public eye and looking like 455 00:20:04,064 --> 00:20:06,984 Speaker 1: she's monetizing them and like with the Lion King thing, 456 00:20:07,024 --> 00:20:09,264 Speaker 1: looking like she's putting them in like situations where they're 457 00:20:09,264 --> 00:20:11,824 Speaker 1: going to get a lot of back. But when I 458 00:20:11,864 --> 00:20:14,464 Speaker 1: see that, I always think of someone like a Busy Phillips, 459 00:20:14,504 --> 00:20:17,304 Speaker 1: who was like, sometimes my kids need the good side 460 00:20:17,344 --> 00:20:19,504 Speaker 1: of fame as well, and obviously the wealth is the 461 00:20:19,504 --> 00:20:23,824 Speaker 1: good side. But Busy Phillips has said that her oldest child, Bertie, 462 00:20:23,904 --> 00:20:26,064 Speaker 1: has you know, gotten hearts and TV shows and she 463 00:20:26,104 --> 00:20:29,504 Speaker 1: gets to go meet other famous people, and Busy Phillips 464 00:20:29,584 --> 00:20:31,664 Speaker 1: is like, the reason I do that is because she 465 00:20:31,704 --> 00:20:34,504 Speaker 1: gets followed everywhere with cameras and there's paparazzi in her face, 466 00:20:34,584 --> 00:20:37,224 Speaker 1: and people write wild stuff about me online and kids 467 00:20:37,224 --> 00:20:38,824 Speaker 1: ask her about that at school, and there's all this 468 00:20:39,064 --> 00:20:40,664 Speaker 1: downside to it, so you have to give them the 469 00:20:40,664 --> 00:20:43,064 Speaker 1: good side. And so when I see Kim Kardashi and 470 00:20:43,104 --> 00:20:45,664 Speaker 1: doing this sort of stuff, I'm like, in her life 471 00:20:45,704 --> 00:20:50,104 Speaker 1: that is success and happiness, like creativity, fame, making products, 472 00:20:50,144 --> 00:20:52,184 Speaker 1: brand deals, all that sort of stuff. So she's pushing 473 00:20:52,224 --> 00:20:54,704 Speaker 1: North into that so that she has the good side 474 00:20:54,704 --> 00:20:57,544 Speaker 1: of it as well. But why I think it's tricky 475 00:20:57,624 --> 00:20:59,704 Speaker 1: this week is like, up until now, there's been a 476 00:20:59,704 --> 00:21:03,104 Speaker 1: lot of allegations against Kanye being like inappropriate, and there's 477 00:21:03,104 --> 00:21:04,704 Speaker 1: been a lot of lawsuits, but a lot of them 478 00:21:04,744 --> 00:21:07,304 Speaker 1: to do with like treating people badly at work, or 479 00:21:07,584 --> 00:21:10,864 Speaker 1: copyright infringement or him saying awful stuff line, but a 480 00:21:10,864 --> 00:21:12,424 Speaker 1: lot of that was traced back to him, like having 481 00:21:12,464 --> 00:21:15,584 Speaker 1: a mental health Bacon bipola. It was not excused, but 482 00:21:15,624 --> 00:21:18,424 Speaker 1: it was kind of in the realm of a famous 483 00:21:18,424 --> 00:21:22,304 Speaker 1: person suffering from some issues that were being addressed. But 484 00:21:22,504 --> 00:21:24,304 Speaker 1: this week the tables have turned, and I don't think 485 00:21:24,304 --> 00:21:29,744 Speaker 1: people have really registered what's happened is that before the 486 00:21:29,824 --> 00:21:32,744 Speaker 1: allegations were about like difficult behavior and stuff, but now 487 00:21:32,784 --> 00:21:35,904 Speaker 1: the allegations are from a woman saying he drugged me, 488 00:21:35,984 --> 00:21:38,904 Speaker 1: he sexually assaulted me, you know, he gave me a drink, 489 00:21:38,984 --> 00:21:41,704 Speaker 1: lace with things and assaulted me and beat me. And 490 00:21:41,744 --> 00:21:43,824 Speaker 1: there's all these awful allegations and that is just in 491 00:21:43,864 --> 00:21:46,824 Speaker 1: a completely different world. And I think a lot of 492 00:21:46,824 --> 00:21:49,144 Speaker 1: people have said, like, oh, there's new Kanye allegations, like 493 00:21:49,584 --> 00:21:52,424 Speaker 1: it's not great, but that's just Kanye, and it's like, no, no, no, no. 494 00:21:52,464 --> 00:21:56,384 Speaker 1: The conversation has changed in a really dramatic way that 495 00:21:56,464 --> 00:21:58,744 Speaker 1: I don't think you can turn back from. And so 496 00:21:58,904 --> 00:22:01,264 Speaker 1: now having the kids in the public eye with him, 497 00:22:01,304 --> 00:22:02,624 Speaker 1: I think is a different story. 498 00:22:02,984 --> 00:22:05,864 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think with like the Kanye situation, that's 499 00:22:05,904 --> 00:22:08,744 Speaker 2: something that's going to keep unfolding that we will keep 500 00:22:08,784 --> 00:22:11,864 Speaker 2: reporting on. So it is kind of interesting to see 501 00:22:11,904 --> 00:22:14,904 Speaker 2: like that juxtaposed against like his kids and his ex 502 00:22:14,984 --> 00:22:19,024 Speaker 2: wife like having a really positive time in like the 503 00:22:19,144 --> 00:22:22,944 Speaker 2: light and like Northy's still able to do these things 504 00:22:22,944 --> 00:22:25,344 Speaker 2: because she's still a child, Like she's a child, And 505 00:22:25,384 --> 00:22:29,704 Speaker 2: I'm actually quite impressed that no one's really doing the comparison, 506 00:22:29,784 --> 00:22:31,984 Speaker 2: like they're kind of keeping her part separate to what 507 00:22:32,104 --> 00:22:34,824 Speaker 2: he's going through. Thank you so much for listening. To 508 00:22:34,904 --> 00:22:37,224 Speaker 2: the Spill today if you want more from us. We 509 00:22:37,384 --> 00:22:40,624 Speaker 2: recently did an episode on another type of viral footage. 510 00:22:40,624 --> 00:22:44,104 Speaker 2: We talked about that interview with Anne Hathaway. We will 511 00:22:44,144 --> 00:22:47,304 Speaker 2: link that episode into our show notes. Scott Stronik is 512 00:22:47,344 --> 00:22:50,384 Speaker 2: our amazing audio producer on the Spill and Kimberly Bradish 513 00:22:50,504 --> 00:22:52,744 Speaker 2: is the executive producer. We will be back here in 514 00:22:52,784 --> 00:22:54,944 Speaker 2: your podcast feed at three pm tomorrow. 515 00:22:54,984 --> 00:23:04,984 Speaker 1: Bye bye.