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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mama Mia acknowledges

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Speaker 2: Makeup is my Therapy.

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Speaker 1: I'm in love, I'm obsessed and I don't even feel

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Speaker 1: guilty about it. Hello, and welcome to you Beauty, the

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Speaker 1: daily podcast for your Faith. I'm Lee Campbell and this

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Speaker 1: is the Formula with a twist. I know you used

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Speaker 1: to Kelly hosting the Formula, but I was given the

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Speaker 1: opportunity of a lifetime, and that's to ask someone about

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Speaker 1: the Formula well to life. When I sat down with

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Speaker 1: legendary Jane Fondykee when she was recently in Australia courtesy

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Speaker 1: of Wonderlust True North, I honestly didn't know what to expect,

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Speaker 1: but what I got was pure gold. This chat went

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Speaker 1: places I just did not expect and in the best

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Speaker 1: possible way. Jane's wisdom about her third act and about

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Speaker 1: life and about what's important was just incredible. I haven't

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Speaker 1: stopped thinking about it, and so I wanted to pop

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Speaker 1: it in the U Beauty feed because while it's not

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Speaker 1: strictly about lipstick or hair or skin care, it's that real,

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Speaker 1: authentic chat from one woman to another about what matters

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Speaker 1: and how purpose and intention can actually make you feel

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Speaker 1: radiant and beautiful. I guess Jane dropped so many truth bombs,

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Speaker 1: very funny ones, but there were two that stuck with

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Speaker 1: me since one of them is about your third act,

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Speaker 1: I guess, the final chapter of life, and it's the

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Speaker 1: most important one. And honestly, that's changed how I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: about aging, getting older, growing up. It was such a

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Speaker 1: relief to hear that the stage I'm in, perimenopause is

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Speaker 1: completely normal. She went through all the stuff I'm going through,

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Speaker 1: and she really emphasized to not sweat the small stuff

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Speaker 1: in her own raw and direct and hilarious way, and

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Speaker 1: it was like the permission I didn't know I needed.

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Speaker 1: Jane Fonda is eighty seven, and this woman is chaining

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Speaker 1: herself to oil wells, sleeping nine hours a night and

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Speaker 1: radiating this incredible energy that comes from knowing exactly who

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Speaker 1: she is and what matters. She's living proof that beauty

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Speaker 1: isn't about trends or what's on your face. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's part of it. It's about having something that lights

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Speaker 1: you up from the inside. So grab a kuppa and

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Speaker 1: settle in I had had some honey and lemon, I

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Speaker 1: to go, but I was not going to miss chatting

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Speaker 1: to the incredible Jane Fonder.

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Speaker 3: What did you all do to get in here? How

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Speaker 3: did you get shows? Did you buy your place?

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Speaker 1: They bribed somebody?

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Speaker 2: Somebody bribed.

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Speaker 1: Now, I mean, you have such a phenomenal career and

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Speaker 1: so much to tell us, so we're going to have

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Speaker 1: to jump straight into it. I want to start with

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Speaker 1: your activism because I have for a very long time

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Speaker 1: admired that and I want to know not why you

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Speaker 1: do it, but how does it make you feel? How

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew it.

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Speaker 3: If it didn't mean yeah happy, you meet wonderful people

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Speaker 1: Do you think it helps with your inner well being?

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Speaker 3: We all want meaning in our life. I think we

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Speaker 3: I have committed a lot of my life to try

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Speaker 1: It's incredibly admirable. You can sleep at night thinking I'm

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Speaker 1: doing everything I can. There's nothing more beautiful than that. Now,

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Speaker 2: It's called Rohatsu.

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Speaker 3: It's the celebration of the enlightenment of the Buddha. And

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Speaker 2: It's hard. You learn so much about yourself.

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Speaker 3: I've done all. There's many different kinds of meditation. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: You've done a lot from sixty to eighty seven, that's

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Speaker 3: I wasn't such a great person early on in my life.

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Speaker 3: I was unhappy. I didn't have any meaning in my life.

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Speaker 3: You can change how you react to things. You can

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Oh my gosh. I think we can all

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Speaker 3: How many women are in their late forties in here

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Speaker 1: I'm hot. I think I want to leave my husband.

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Speaker 1: You know, daily is hard to fit into your life,

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Speaker 2: I don't know me neither.

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Speaker 3: Well, I just knew that when I was active and

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Speaker 1: And that goes to the sleep and activism as well. Right,

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Speaker 1: it's like mind body spirit. Okay, I've got a lot

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Speaker 2: You know what's important?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Good pasture. Oh I've got terrible posture.

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Speaker 3: Stop looking at beauty tronds? What a boring thing to

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Speaker 1: But then how do they feel it? How do they

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Speaker 2: Read better books. I don't know, yes, so true.

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Speaker 3: Read Our world is facing collapse, our civilization is facing collapse.

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Speaker 2: What are you doing worrying about beauty trends? Jane?

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Speaker 3: It feels really good, you know why, because I've been hated.

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Speaker 1: It's great, it's true. How did you work through that

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Speaker 2: It's hard.

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Speaker 1: It is. It's different.

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Speaker 1: We know, well, how are you going to raise the ruckus?

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Speaker 3: There's an oil well in Santa Barbara California, and if

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Speaker 1: But that's incredible. You touched on the people around you.

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Speaker 2: Love is always good. I mean, it's good to have

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Speaker 2: I'm being paid.

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Speaker 1: Well, we've got to pay the bills right now.

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Speaker 3: I'm going on to eighty eight, and I get offered roles,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're Jane Fonder. You're known for so much. What

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Speaker 2: I don't know, you don't know?

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Speaker 1: Is that for us to decide? How we I don't care,

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Speaker 3: We know, we know, don't we We know when we're okay,

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Speaker 1: Well that's true self love. It's so true. Well, Jane,

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Speaker 1: you have a lot ahead of you tonight, I have

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Speaker 1: very little voice left. Thank you so much for joining

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