1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:15,304 Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia 2 00:00:15,424 --> 00:00:18,984 Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this 3 00:00:19,064 --> 00:00:27,144 Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on. From Mamma Mia. Welcome to this 4 00:00:27,224 --> 00:00:31,064 Speaker 1: spill your daily pop culture fixed. I'm Laura Brodnick and 5 00:00:31,184 --> 00:00:34,104 Speaker 1: I'm Gosual. 6 00:00:34,184 --> 00:00:36,304 Speaker 2: Guess I feel a bit shy. 7 00:00:37,464 --> 00:00:39,584 Speaker 1: I don't think shy is the word I would ever 8 00:00:39,784 --> 00:00:40,704 Speaker 1: use to describe it. 9 00:00:40,904 --> 00:00:42,064 Speaker 2: I haven't been here so long. 10 00:00:42,104 --> 00:00:44,904 Speaker 1: We're in a new studio, that's our first time recording here. 11 00:00:45,144 --> 00:00:45,704 Speaker 2: Beautiful. 12 00:00:45,744 --> 00:00:47,344 Speaker 1: This feels like such a big moment. It feels like 13 00:00:47,384 --> 00:00:49,504 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift when she brings out a special guest and 14 00:00:49,504 --> 00:00:51,944 Speaker 1: only like one night of the Heiress. Who gets it? 15 00:00:52,024 --> 00:00:54,384 Speaker 1: I'm might to listeners, Yes, who we've got on the pie? 16 00:00:54,744 --> 00:00:57,584 Speaker 2: Racy Abrams, Yeah, you're giving that well. 17 00:00:57,624 --> 00:00:59,864 Speaker 1: Speaking of Taylor Swift, such a smooth transition. 18 00:01:00,344 --> 00:01:01,904 Speaker 2: Very I didn't even catch on on that. That was 19 00:01:01,984 --> 00:01:02,424 Speaker 2: very smooth. 20 00:01:02,464 --> 00:01:04,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm working a ways and no one can understand 21 00:01:04,384 --> 00:01:07,064 Speaker 1: on a higher level. Speaking of Taylor Swift, we are 22 00:01:07,104 --> 00:01:09,944 Speaker 1: talking about the big announcements to made on Saturday, where 23 00:01:10,024 --> 00:01:12,464 Speaker 1: she announced that she had brought her master's back. Where 24 00:01:12,464 --> 00:01:15,824 Speaker 1: there's a whole backstory to why fans or mislead this 25 00:01:15,904 --> 00:01:17,984 Speaker 1: is gonna happen, Why we think she really brought her 26 00:01:18,024 --> 00:01:21,144 Speaker 1: master's back, some very suspicious celebrity names that or like 27 00:01:21,344 --> 00:01:23,904 Speaker 1: her posts. We're going to get into all that, but 28 00:01:24,064 --> 00:01:26,704 Speaker 1: first you have a grap I have. 29 00:01:26,664 --> 00:01:30,224 Speaker 2: Some breaking news actually, and it comes from two completely 30 00:01:30,264 --> 00:01:35,264 Speaker 2: different worlds. Is the intersection of smutty book talk and 31 00:01:35,304 --> 00:01:38,664 Speaker 2: The Bachelor. Your two favorite things My two favorite things. 32 00:01:38,944 --> 00:01:41,904 Speaker 2: So you know how much I love romanticy novels. I've 33 00:01:41,944 --> 00:01:45,304 Speaker 2: talked about Akata so much. It's still my favorite book 34 00:01:45,384 --> 00:01:47,824 Speaker 2: series of that journre. I know BookTok girls are going 35 00:01:47,864 --> 00:01:49,744 Speaker 2: to be like, it's not even the best one, No, 36 00:01:49,824 --> 00:01:50,504 Speaker 2: it is okay. 37 00:01:50,704 --> 00:01:52,584 Speaker 1: Also fine when I hate when people jump in they're 38 00:01:52,624 --> 00:01:54,224 Speaker 1: just like, oh, I feel like that series. You should 39 00:01:54,224 --> 00:01:56,664 Speaker 1: read these ten other series that came out later. There's 40 00:01:56,744 --> 00:01:58,184 Speaker 1: just everyone can have their own tastes. 41 00:01:58,224 --> 00:02:00,184 Speaker 2: And I'm also it's fine to like books that are 42 00:02:00,304 --> 00:02:01,424 Speaker 2: mainstream likable. 43 00:02:01,544 --> 00:02:01,864 Speaker 1: Yeah. 44 00:02:01,904 --> 00:02:03,824 Speaker 2: It's like every time I say I love Dollie Alton, 45 00:02:03,824 --> 00:02:05,904 Speaker 2: Everyone's like, of course you do, Yeah, you're a Basically 46 00:02:05,944 --> 00:02:08,584 Speaker 2: there's a reason why everyone loves her. I love being 47 00:02:08,624 --> 00:02:09,864 Speaker 2: just like the other girls. I don't want to be 48 00:02:09,864 --> 00:02:10,264 Speaker 2: an into it. 49 00:02:11,224 --> 00:02:12,704 Speaker 1: Just like the other girls. 50 00:02:13,264 --> 00:02:15,544 Speaker 2: So one day I was on BookTalk and if you 51 00:02:15,544 --> 00:02:17,624 Speaker 2: don't know what book talk is, it's basically TikTok and 52 00:02:17,664 --> 00:02:20,224 Speaker 2: it's just people who love books. They just create special 53 00:02:20,544 --> 00:02:23,224 Speaker 2: accounts just to recommend books and talk about books. And 54 00:02:23,264 --> 00:02:25,904 Speaker 2: they used the hashtag book talk and I was scrolling 55 00:02:25,944 --> 00:02:28,024 Speaker 2: and because I love romancy, I'm always on the book 56 00:02:28,064 --> 00:02:33,224 Speaker 2: talk and I saw someone who esthetically doesn't really fit 57 00:02:33,464 --> 00:02:38,544 Speaker 2: into the book talk era. So his name is Luke Bateman, 58 00:02:38,864 --> 00:02:41,464 Speaker 2: and he's been causing a bit of frenzy over the 59 00:02:41,464 --> 00:02:45,064 Speaker 2: internet because he posted a TikTok and the TikTok was 60 00:02:45,264 --> 00:02:48,864 Speaker 2: just kind of like harmless enough. He posted a video 61 00:02:48,984 --> 00:02:50,624 Speaker 2: he looked like he was sitting in some. 62 00:02:50,424 --> 00:02:53,944 Speaker 1: Sort of tractor. I mean that feels a bit of 63 00:02:53,984 --> 00:02:55,144 Speaker 1: like old school romance. 64 00:02:55,184 --> 00:02:58,544 Speaker 2: He's a farmer love and he was basically looked like 65 00:02:58,824 --> 00:03:01,624 Speaker 2: an audition for farmer Wan's wife. Essentially, that was the 66 00:03:01,664 --> 00:03:04,064 Speaker 2: aesthetic of it. But he was talking about how he 67 00:03:04,144 --> 00:03:07,264 Speaker 2: loved romanticy novels and he wanted to come on TikTok 68 00:03:07,304 --> 00:03:09,104 Speaker 2: to connect with like minded people because he doesn't know 69 00:03:09,144 --> 00:03:11,464 Speaker 2: a lot of people who like romancy novelist. What he's 70 00:03:11,504 --> 00:03:14,784 Speaker 2: doing very simple. That video of him just being like, hey, 71 00:03:14,984 --> 00:03:18,784 Speaker 2: if you also like books, come chat with me. That 72 00:03:18,904 --> 00:03:21,104 Speaker 2: video got two million views. 73 00:03:21,344 --> 00:03:22,944 Speaker 1: I love the world we've created and. 74 00:03:23,904 --> 00:03:26,384 Speaker 2: Is now sitting on over one hundred and seventy five 75 00:03:26,584 --> 00:03:28,384 Speaker 2: thousand followers on TikTok. 76 00:03:28,464 --> 00:03:30,824 Speaker 1: A hot man and attractor can really that's a power 77 00:03:30,864 --> 00:03:31,304 Speaker 1: that's been on. 78 00:03:31,504 --> 00:03:33,904 Speaker 2: So we need a breakdown his aesthetic, right because he 79 00:03:33,944 --> 00:03:37,424 Speaker 2: works on a farm. Seemingly he's a cis white male. 80 00:03:37,904 --> 00:03:41,104 Speaker 2: He's tall, he's buff, he's an ex rugby player, he 81 00:03:41,184 --> 00:03:45,784 Speaker 2: was an ex bachelor. He is literally the exact description 82 00:03:46,384 --> 00:03:50,384 Speaker 2: of every male romanticy lead in every single book ever. 83 00:03:50,864 --> 00:03:53,024 Speaker 1: Was honest season of the Bachelor? Who's he was? 84 00:03:53,064 --> 00:03:53,744 Speaker 2: The last season? 85 00:03:53,824 --> 00:03:56,344 Speaker 1: Then? I can't speak on that. 86 00:03:57,064 --> 00:03:59,504 Speaker 2: It was when they tried the three whether there's three 87 00:03:59,504 --> 00:03:59,824 Speaker 2: of them. 88 00:04:00,024 --> 00:04:03,104 Speaker 1: Oh, he was a bachelor. He was a bachelor, one 89 00:04:03,184 --> 00:04:04,664 Speaker 1: of the three. 90 00:04:04,904 --> 00:04:09,064 Speaker 2: No, he was the bachelor out of three, one third 91 00:04:09,104 --> 00:04:09,784 Speaker 2: of the bachelor. 92 00:04:09,904 --> 00:04:12,304 Speaker 1: He was Okay, I'm sure I talked about him at 93 00:04:12,304 --> 00:04:14,544 Speaker 1: some stage then, but we have. 94 00:04:14,584 --> 00:04:16,784 Speaker 2: All discussed him in length at work, and none of 95 00:04:16,824 --> 00:04:17,624 Speaker 2: us remember. 96 00:04:17,424 --> 00:04:19,464 Speaker 1: Okay, hard to be a nondescript white man. 97 00:04:20,064 --> 00:04:23,144 Speaker 2: So I think because he was so different to what 98 00:04:23,264 --> 00:04:27,224 Speaker 2: the usual book talk lover looks like, akay me, everyone 99 00:04:27,264 --> 00:04:30,544 Speaker 2: became very obsessed with him. He gained so many followers. 100 00:04:30,864 --> 00:04:33,784 Speaker 2: But then he did something scandalous. He announced that he 101 00:04:33,864 --> 00:04:36,824 Speaker 2: is working on his very own romancy novel with a 102 00:04:36,904 --> 00:04:41,424 Speaker 2: well known publisher, and the book talk girlies turned. Some 103 00:04:41,464 --> 00:04:43,744 Speaker 2: of the comments included a white man getting a book 104 00:04:43,784 --> 00:04:46,744 Speaker 2: deal without having written anything. My jaw stayed right. 105 00:04:46,584 --> 00:04:50,504 Speaker 1: Where it was, so that's so fair. 106 00:04:51,304 --> 00:04:54,624 Speaker 2: This opportunity is the intersection of white privilege, male privilege, 107 00:04:54,664 --> 00:04:58,064 Speaker 2: and pretty privilege, not a reflection of worth. You dot 108 00:04:58,104 --> 00:05:00,624 Speaker 2: dot dot can't wait to write a book? How did 109 00:05:00,664 --> 00:05:02,664 Speaker 2: you get a book deal? Which made me realize not 110 00:05:02,704 --> 00:05:03,664 Speaker 2: everyone knows how book deal? 111 00:05:04,184 --> 00:05:06,584 Speaker 1: Sweet innocent soul, that's really cute. It's okay. 112 00:05:06,664 --> 00:05:08,864 Speaker 2: I mean, we're kind of in the industry, so we know, 113 00:05:09,184 --> 00:05:11,344 Speaker 2: like a lot of people get book deals without having 114 00:05:11,384 --> 00:05:11,704 Speaker 2: to write. 115 00:05:11,944 --> 00:05:15,064 Speaker 1: So many people and most people, actually most people nowadays, 116 00:05:15,064 --> 00:05:17,104 Speaker 1: if someone gets a huge following, the first thing they 117 00:05:17,144 --> 00:05:18,704 Speaker 1: do is get a book deal, and like, not all 118 00:05:18,784 --> 00:05:20,984 Speaker 1: of them are ghost written, but what they're really hoping 119 00:05:21,064 --> 00:05:23,824 Speaker 1: is that a fraction of those follower numbers will buy 120 00:05:23,824 --> 00:05:26,344 Speaker 1: the book and you only need like a certain amount 121 00:05:26,344 --> 00:05:28,224 Speaker 1: of books in Australia, like it's a lower number obviously 122 00:05:28,264 --> 00:05:30,144 Speaker 1: in America to be on the best seller list and 123 00:05:30,224 --> 00:05:32,784 Speaker 1: sell that out in the first week. So right now, 124 00:05:32,824 --> 00:05:35,024 Speaker 1: follower numbers is one of the main things that look at. 125 00:05:34,904 --> 00:05:37,384 Speaker 2: Your book deal and it just seems like for him, 126 00:05:37,584 --> 00:05:41,664 Speaker 2: a very smart strategy. So he did post a TikTok 127 00:05:41,744 --> 00:05:44,304 Speaker 2: after he did the announcement, and he got all that backlash. 128 00:05:44,384 --> 00:05:46,264 Speaker 2: Not all of it was complete backlash. A lot of 129 00:05:46,264 --> 00:05:48,304 Speaker 2: people were in support of it, Like a lot of 130 00:05:48,304 --> 00:05:50,384 Speaker 2: people were saying the obvious, like we're the ones who 131 00:05:50,424 --> 00:05:52,944 Speaker 2: made him famous, Yeah, like why are we suddenly tearing 132 00:05:52,984 --> 00:05:55,504 Speaker 2: him down? But he did post a TikTok that kind 133 00:05:55,544 --> 00:05:58,304 Speaker 2: of indirectly answered all of that, saying how he wants 134 00:05:58,504 --> 00:06:01,264 Speaker 2: to encourage more men and boys to read and that's 135 00:06:01,264 --> 00:06:02,984 Speaker 2: why he's never had like a group of friends who 136 00:06:02,984 --> 00:06:04,544 Speaker 2: he could talk to books about and that's what what 137 00:06:04,624 --> 00:06:05,544 Speaker 2: he's trying to do. 138 00:06:06,144 --> 00:06:07,784 Speaker 1: I'm falling with his book like and Sinker. 139 00:06:07,984 --> 00:06:11,344 Speaker 2: So you know, I, Luke Bateman, I'm in love with you. 140 00:06:12,184 --> 00:06:13,104 Speaker 2: I always write that. 141 00:06:13,104 --> 00:06:14,784 Speaker 1: Book, I will read that. Yeah, I don't even know 142 00:06:14,864 --> 00:06:16,984 Speaker 1: what this man looks like because I've just put him 143 00:06:17,024 --> 00:06:18,664 Speaker 1: from my mind, but I think I'm in love with 144 00:06:18,704 --> 00:06:19,104 Speaker 1: him as well. 145 00:06:19,184 --> 00:06:22,224 Speaker 2: Okay, think of I know that man. Yeah, and then 146 00:06:22,424 --> 00:06:25,064 Speaker 2: think about how he can read and that's him. 147 00:06:25,624 --> 00:06:29,904 Speaker 1: Wow, I know the bar man is so low. 148 00:06:31,024 --> 00:06:32,744 Speaker 2: It's like saw men need to read him or like, 149 00:06:32,824 --> 00:06:34,304 Speaker 2: yes he's saying it. 150 00:06:34,464 --> 00:06:36,544 Speaker 1: I know it in such a such a basic concept. 151 00:06:36,624 --> 00:06:38,784 Speaker 1: But again, the bar is so low. To be honest, 152 00:06:38,864 --> 00:06:41,944 Speaker 1: you had me at all, I know that's and I 153 00:06:42,024 --> 00:06:47,344 Speaker 1: had me at farm. Yes, farm, you to marry a farmer. 154 00:06:47,344 --> 00:06:49,224 Speaker 1: You would last five seconds on a farm, just so 155 00:06:49,264 --> 00:06:50,104 Speaker 1: you Also. 156 00:06:49,944 --> 00:06:52,024 Speaker 2: It hasn't been confirmed. I mean he probably has confirmed it, 157 00:06:52,024 --> 00:06:53,584 Speaker 2: but I just haven't done my research. But it hasn't 158 00:06:53,624 --> 00:06:55,744 Speaker 2: been from the tiktoks. It hasn't been confirmed that he 159 00:06:55,744 --> 00:06:57,904 Speaker 2: actually works on a farm. He's just always an attractor. 160 00:06:58,184 --> 00:06:59,304 Speaker 2: Maybe he's a lot of machinery. 161 00:06:59,344 --> 00:07:01,344 Speaker 1: Maybe he's got like a whole hobby farm. He's actually 162 00:07:01,344 --> 00:07:02,184 Speaker 1: the best of both worlds. 163 00:07:02,224 --> 00:07:04,264 Speaker 2: What if he just has like a setup to look 164 00:07:04,304 --> 00:07:05,904 Speaker 2: like he's on a farm when really he's just trying 165 00:07:05,904 --> 00:07:08,424 Speaker 2: to get this dealer care screen. 166 00:07:09,744 --> 00:07:12,344 Speaker 1: I mean, it's actually really smart and I obviously know 167 00:07:12,384 --> 00:07:14,664 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people from different minority groups that 168 00:07:14,864 --> 00:07:17,304 Speaker 1: can't get book deals even though their work might be incredible. 169 00:07:17,344 --> 00:07:19,224 Speaker 1: So I do get that, but I just think this 170 00:07:19,384 --> 00:07:21,504 Speaker 1: is just also how the world works, and people get 171 00:07:21,544 --> 00:07:24,064 Speaker 1: really surprised when they see a glimpse of how the 172 00:07:24,104 --> 00:07:26,984 Speaker 1: world works in just a very normal setting, like people 173 00:07:27,064 --> 00:07:29,544 Speaker 1: with big followings now have a lot of power in 174 00:07:29,584 --> 00:07:34,144 Speaker 1: like most industries. Also, hot white people, yeah, young white people, 175 00:07:34,464 --> 00:07:37,464 Speaker 1: especially men, are the kind of still the most powerful groups. 176 00:07:37,504 --> 00:07:39,184 Speaker 1: So of course we sort of throw everything at them. 177 00:07:39,224 --> 00:07:40,984 Speaker 1: And also look how low the bar is. We just 178 00:07:41,024 --> 00:07:41,784 Speaker 1: like that man's read. 179 00:07:41,624 --> 00:07:43,464 Speaker 2: A book and now I'm in love with him. 180 00:07:43,464 --> 00:07:46,544 Speaker 1: It worked one hundred percent. Works again, I think we're 181 00:07:46,624 --> 00:07:49,504 Speaker 1: more susceptible potentially than the average person. First of all, 182 00:07:49,544 --> 00:07:50,984 Speaker 1: do you think he's writing the book or do you 183 00:07:50,984 --> 00:07:52,064 Speaker 1: think he's getting a ghostwriter? 184 00:07:52,904 --> 00:07:55,864 Speaker 2: Oh, that's such a good question. I actually genuinely think 185 00:07:55,864 --> 00:07:58,504 Speaker 2: he's writing the book, only because I have watched a 186 00:07:58,544 --> 00:08:00,664 Speaker 2: lot of his tiktoks, because they actually just come up 187 00:08:00,704 --> 00:08:02,184 Speaker 2: on my feet. I don't need to look them up, 188 00:08:02,584 --> 00:08:05,064 Speaker 2: and a lot of his reviews for all the romantity 189 00:08:05,104 --> 00:08:08,184 Speaker 2: novels he's read that I've also read are genuine reviews 190 00:08:08,224 --> 00:08:10,984 Speaker 2: like it genuinely sounds like he's take in these books 191 00:08:10,984 --> 00:08:13,224 Speaker 2: in he's really dissecting them, He's really analyzing them. He 192 00:08:13,264 --> 00:08:16,704 Speaker 2: seems really passionate about Romanticy. It doesn't seem like a 193 00:08:16,704 --> 00:08:19,864 Speaker 2: gimmicky thing for him. I'm hoping so, because I'm really 194 00:08:19,904 --> 00:08:22,184 Speaker 2: interested to read his novels, we should do b really 195 00:08:22,184 --> 00:08:22,784 Speaker 2: honest reviews. 196 00:08:23,344 --> 00:08:25,384 Speaker 1: We should do a brilli of his first novel. 197 00:08:25,424 --> 00:08:26,104 Speaker 2: We have to do it. 198 00:08:26,184 --> 00:08:28,944 Speaker 1: I would love that. I'm rooting for him, as I 199 00:08:28,984 --> 00:08:34,544 Speaker 1: do for all attractive He needs a help. Just give 200 00:08:34,584 --> 00:08:37,024 Speaker 1: him a chance. I also wonder if the book girlies 201 00:08:37,064 --> 00:08:39,224 Speaker 1: will buy the book after all this, because like they've 202 00:08:39,224 --> 00:08:42,424 Speaker 1: turned on him. But I'm assuming the publisher is really 203 00:08:42,464 --> 00:08:44,904 Speaker 1: counting on them to be the ones to buy the book. 204 00:08:44,944 --> 00:08:47,104 Speaker 1: I might even hate buy it. I mean that's true, 205 00:08:47,104 --> 00:08:49,904 Speaker 1: I mean sales. He's got one fan here, Yeah, we'll 206 00:08:49,904 --> 00:08:54,744 Speaker 1: buy two copies. So I've got some other breaking news. 207 00:08:55,184 --> 00:08:57,224 Speaker 1: It's probably a bit more important. 208 00:08:56,904 --> 00:09:00,944 Speaker 2: From breaking news from a few days ago. So on Saturday, 209 00:09:01,064 --> 00:09:05,104 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift posted in Instagram photo of herself with all 210 00:09:05,184 --> 00:09:08,384 Speaker 2: the covers on the ground of her previous music albums. 211 00:09:08,464 --> 00:09:11,224 Speaker 2: The caption of the photo was you Belong with Me, 212 00:09:11,744 --> 00:09:14,944 Speaker 2: famous song of hers, and she also alongside that post 213 00:09:14,944 --> 00:09:18,584 Speaker 2: published a letter stating how she now owns all of 214 00:09:18,584 --> 00:09:20,904 Speaker 2: her masters. So the letter is very long, but I'm 215 00:09:20,904 --> 00:09:23,784 Speaker 2: going to give you all the main points. So it says, 216 00:09:24,384 --> 00:09:27,304 Speaker 2: after twenty years of being this close, of having the 217 00:09:27,344 --> 00:09:30,304 Speaker 2: carrot dangled and then yanked away, I can finally say 218 00:09:30,344 --> 00:09:32,864 Speaker 2: the words I'd never thought i'd get to say. All 219 00:09:32,904 --> 00:09:35,624 Speaker 2: of the music I've ever made now belongs to me. 220 00:09:36,224 --> 00:09:39,104 Speaker 2: The music, the videos, the concert films, the album are 221 00:09:39,304 --> 00:09:41,944 Speaker 2: the memories. Every single ear of my life's work is 222 00:09:41,984 --> 00:09:45,664 Speaker 2: finally mine. This has been my greatest dream and it's 223 00:09:45,664 --> 00:09:48,064 Speaker 2: come true because of the support of my fans. You 224 00:09:48,144 --> 00:09:51,304 Speaker 2: made Taylor's version a success. You turned the ear as 225 00:09:51,344 --> 00:09:54,624 Speaker 2: Tore into a global phenomenon. You helped me buy back 226 00:09:54,744 --> 00:09:57,904 Speaker 2: what I never thought i'd own. This deal with Shamrock 227 00:09:57,944 --> 00:10:00,784 Speaker 2: Capital gave me the chance to own my master's outright, 228 00:10:01,024 --> 00:10:04,824 Speaker 2: no strings, no partnerships, just full autonomy. It was more 229 00:10:04,904 --> 00:10:07,144 Speaker 2: than a business deal to me. It was personal. It 230 00:10:07,184 --> 00:10:10,344 Speaker 2: was my life's work. And yes, because this part's really important, 231 00:10:10,744 --> 00:10:15,424 Speaker 2: reputation Taylor's version is still coming someday. It was such 232 00:10:15,424 --> 00:10:17,824 Speaker 2: a specific time in my life, and I kept hitting 233 00:10:17,824 --> 00:10:21,464 Speaker 2: a wall creatively, but I fully re recorded my debut album, 234 00:10:21,504 --> 00:10:23,664 Speaker 2: and I'm excited for the right moment for both of 235 00:10:23,704 --> 00:10:27,224 Speaker 2: these albums to re emerge. Most of all, I'm proud 236 00:10:27,264 --> 00:10:30,424 Speaker 2: that this fight has sparked real conversations in the industry. 237 00:10:30,624 --> 00:10:33,544 Speaker 2: Even if one artist now owns their masters because of this, 238 00:10:33,704 --> 00:10:37,024 Speaker 2: it was all worth it. Thank you for your support. 239 00:10:37,144 --> 00:10:40,224 Speaker 2: The best things that have ever been mine. Finally, are 240 00:10:40,984 --> 00:10:43,944 Speaker 2: so really long letter. Even that whole summery was. 241 00:10:43,904 --> 00:10:45,984 Speaker 1: So long and wasn't like a handwritten thing. 242 00:10:46,224 --> 00:10:50,024 Speaker 2: It wasn't like she loves a little little gimmick over there. 243 00:10:50,264 --> 00:10:53,024 Speaker 2: But it's been reported that Taylor paid around three hundred 244 00:10:53,064 --> 00:10:57,104 Speaker 2: and sixty million USDs for all her masters, So if 245 00:10:57,104 --> 00:10:59,784 Speaker 2: you're kind of confused about what this means. This all 246 00:11:00,144 --> 00:11:04,824 Speaker 2: publicly kicked off around twenty nineteen when Taylor Swift publicly 247 00:11:04,864 --> 00:11:07,104 Speaker 2: revealed that she wasn't allowed to perform any of her 248 00:11:07,144 --> 00:11:10,144 Speaker 2: own songs from the first six albums she released at 249 00:11:10,144 --> 00:11:13,424 Speaker 2: the American Music Awards, which was also the same show 250 00:11:13,464 --> 00:11:15,824 Speaker 2: that she was being honored as Artist of the Decade. 251 00:11:16,104 --> 00:11:18,264 Speaker 2: So the reason for that was because at the time 252 00:11:18,624 --> 00:11:21,504 Speaker 2: Scott Broshetter and Scooter Braun, who are very famous and 253 00:11:21,584 --> 00:11:25,024 Speaker 2: very rich executives, sold and bought Taylor's Masters without her 254 00:11:25,064 --> 00:11:28,624 Speaker 2: consent and blocked her performance. At the time, on social 255 00:11:28,704 --> 00:11:32,264 Speaker 2: she wrote, the message being sent to me is very clear, basically, 256 00:11:32,304 --> 00:11:34,344 Speaker 2: be a good little girl and shut up or you'll 257 00:11:34,384 --> 00:11:37,144 Speaker 2: be punished. This is wrong. Neither of these men had 258 00:11:37,144 --> 00:11:39,544 Speaker 2: a hand in writing those songs. They did nothing to 259 00:11:39,584 --> 00:11:43,224 Speaker 2: build the relationship I have with my fans. So after that, 260 00:11:43,224 --> 00:11:46,584 Speaker 2: that's when Taylor started re recording all of her whole 261 00:11:46,624 --> 00:11:50,744 Speaker 2: albums with the tagline Taylor's Version, allowing fans to listen 262 00:11:50,784 --> 00:11:53,904 Speaker 2: to the songs they love but knowing that it's her 263 00:11:54,024 --> 00:11:57,144 Speaker 2: songs and not going to these two men. Essentially the 264 00:11:57,144 --> 00:12:00,144 Speaker 2: profits going to these two men. So after all of that, 265 00:12:00,344 --> 00:12:04,384 Speaker 2: she's now announced that she actually owns all of her songs. 266 00:12:04,424 --> 00:12:06,424 Speaker 2: So she owns, like now, guest two versions of all 267 00:12:06,464 --> 00:12:07,144 Speaker 2: of her albums. 268 00:12:07,304 --> 00:12:10,064 Speaker 1: Yeah, And what's interesting about that is that there's been 269 00:12:10,064 --> 00:12:12,824 Speaker 1: such a lead up to people thinking that Reputation was 270 00:12:12,864 --> 00:12:14,944 Speaker 1: about to be re released and. 271 00:12:14,864 --> 00:12:16,944 Speaker 2: This is my favorite album. 272 00:12:17,024 --> 00:12:18,664 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's the first one I really got. 273 00:12:18,744 --> 00:12:20,304 Speaker 1: I mean, I always like Tales of music. But I 274 00:12:20,304 --> 00:12:21,784 Speaker 1: think that was the first one I really got on 275 00:12:21,824 --> 00:12:24,144 Speaker 1: board and was like, you know, so very invested in 276 00:12:24,184 --> 00:12:24,704 Speaker 1: all the songs. 277 00:12:24,944 --> 00:12:27,064 Speaker 2: And she's also like, if you watch the Ears talk, 278 00:12:27,064 --> 00:12:29,384 Speaker 2: because I watched it so many times on Disney Channel, 279 00:12:29,424 --> 00:12:30,024 Speaker 2: do you yeah? 280 00:12:30,264 --> 00:12:32,624 Speaker 1: Really, I never got to go that's right. Sorry to 281 00:12:32,784 --> 00:12:33,504 Speaker 1: mean to tell me at all. 282 00:12:33,584 --> 00:12:35,304 Speaker 2: I really I really didn't want to bring you It's 283 00:12:35,424 --> 00:12:35,864 Speaker 2: not about me. 284 00:12:35,944 --> 00:12:37,384 Speaker 1: You didn't support Taylor's fundraising. 285 00:12:37,424 --> 00:12:40,544 Speaker 2: I bought a fundraiser, but she bought in. 286 00:12:40,504 --> 00:12:42,744 Speaker 1: Writing a book. But you won't support Taylor's of music. 287 00:12:43,224 --> 00:12:45,664 Speaker 2: Well maybe if she just helped me get a ticket. 288 00:12:46,224 --> 00:12:48,024 Speaker 2: I tried really hard, you saw me. 289 00:12:48,264 --> 00:12:51,584 Speaker 1: No, I know famously a lot of people try to pay. 290 00:12:51,424 --> 00:12:53,944 Speaker 2: Her salary so badly, and I just couldn't. 291 00:12:54,064 --> 00:12:55,704 Speaker 1: Well, that's in a lot of the people's reaction is 292 00:12:55,704 --> 00:12:57,624 Speaker 1: that they're saying like, oh, I've seen so many tiktoks 293 00:12:57,624 --> 00:13:00,224 Speaker 1: and Instagram videos of girlies being like I feel so 294 00:13:00,304 --> 00:13:02,384 Speaker 1: much better now on the six thousand dollars I spent 295 00:13:02,464 --> 00:13:04,104 Speaker 1: on the reputation to it because I feel like I 296 00:13:04,144 --> 00:13:06,264 Speaker 1: helped Taylor to buy her music back. I was like, 297 00:13:06,264 --> 00:13:08,704 Speaker 1: that's a great way to look at your gaping bank ballot. 298 00:13:08,744 --> 00:13:11,544 Speaker 2: I would one hundred percent time myself same thing without 299 00:13:11,584 --> 00:13:13,824 Speaker 2: the reality of knowing that that money just went to 300 00:13:13,904 --> 00:13:16,344 Speaker 2: some dude who's working audio, who's probably not really doing 301 00:13:16,344 --> 00:13:16,864 Speaker 2: it correctly. 302 00:13:16,944 --> 00:13:18,144 Speaker 1: I mean, the end of the day, it's all going 303 00:13:18,144 --> 00:13:20,504 Speaker 1: into Taylors's pockets to help buy her music back. But 304 00:13:20,584 --> 00:13:22,544 Speaker 1: yet everyone sort of has known there's been a big 305 00:13:22,584 --> 00:13:24,824 Speaker 1: announcement coming. One is that Taylor Sip has been like 306 00:13:24,864 --> 00:13:28,464 Speaker 1: seemingly laying very low, but everyone thought that Reputation TV 307 00:13:28,624 --> 00:13:30,424 Speaker 1: was about to be rereleased because there was a few 308 00:13:30,424 --> 00:13:32,744 Speaker 1: little signs. I'm sure there's so many more signs that 309 00:13:32,744 --> 00:13:34,544 Speaker 1: I've missed because I'm not out there clowning like some 310 00:13:34,584 --> 00:13:36,944 Speaker 1: really hardcore sifties, So I know you guys have seen 311 00:13:37,024 --> 00:13:39,224 Speaker 1: things that the rest of us don't see. But people 312 00:13:39,264 --> 00:13:41,304 Speaker 1: thought that she was going to announce it. The American 313 00:13:41,344 --> 00:13:44,704 Speaker 1: and Music Awards was because yeah, she didn't turn up 314 00:13:44,744 --> 00:13:46,744 Speaker 1: and I didn't make an announcement. Well, someone was like, 315 00:13:46,784 --> 00:13:49,264 Speaker 1: that was a very subpar award show at the end 316 00:13:49,304 --> 00:13:51,344 Speaker 1: of the day, and why would she kind of attach 317 00:13:51,464 --> 00:13:52,784 Speaker 1: her name to that. 318 00:13:52,944 --> 00:13:55,344 Speaker 2: It's not the Grammys, but I mean it wouldn't have 319 00:13:55,344 --> 00:13:56,584 Speaker 2: been subper if she went. 320 00:13:56,744 --> 00:13:58,944 Speaker 1: No, no, no. I mean, look, Jennifer Lopez was still great, 321 00:13:58,944 --> 00:14:01,384 Speaker 1: but apparently her website was spelling out something to do 322 00:14:01,424 --> 00:14:04,504 Speaker 1: with AMA's. But also, as we were finishing out The 323 00:14:04,544 --> 00:14:07,744 Speaker 1: Handmaid's Tail, Look what You May Do played in one 324 00:14:07,744 --> 00:14:10,944 Speaker 1: of the final episodes in a huge moment, and it 325 00:14:11,024 --> 00:14:13,904 Speaker 1: sounded like a re recorded version, So everyone was like, 326 00:14:13,944 --> 00:14:17,344 Speaker 1: this is her way of soft launching that reputation is 327 00:14:17,384 --> 00:14:17,824 Speaker 1: coming out. 328 00:14:17,944 --> 00:14:20,904 Speaker 2: It was also done on the perfect scene for Handmaid's Tael. 329 00:14:20,904 --> 00:14:25,064 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're spoiling handmaids and their handmaid outfits, like the 330 00:14:25,064 --> 00:14:27,904 Speaker 1: classic red marching together to take down the men that 331 00:14:27,904 --> 00:14:30,544 Speaker 1: are wrong them. So Taylor Swift and I was reading 332 00:14:30,544 --> 00:14:32,504 Speaker 1: it into the writers who said they put that song 333 00:14:32,544 --> 00:14:34,944 Speaker 1: in as a placeholder, being like, this is the mood 334 00:14:34,944 --> 00:14:37,184 Speaker 1: we want, but we'll never get a Taylor Swift song, 335 00:14:37,264 --> 00:14:39,904 Speaker 1: especially from an album that she hasn't re recorded. Yeah, 336 00:14:39,984 --> 00:14:41,984 Speaker 1: and then not only did she give them permission, but 337 00:14:42,104 --> 00:14:44,824 Speaker 1: from what I've heard, she re recorded another version. There's 338 00:14:44,864 --> 00:14:47,024 Speaker 1: also people think she's in The Handmaid's Tale. Have you 339 00:14:47,104 --> 00:14:49,424 Speaker 1: seen this? That was one of the big Easter eggs 340 00:14:49,464 --> 00:14:51,624 Speaker 1: that was in there. They think there's a Handmaid that 341 00:14:51,704 --> 00:14:54,424 Speaker 1: walks out behind them really defiantly, and everyone's like, I 342 00:14:54,464 --> 00:14:56,744 Speaker 1: know how Taylor Swift walks, that's her. I don't know 343 00:14:56,744 --> 00:14:58,624 Speaker 1: what that is. I'm just saying the build up all 344 00:14:58,664 --> 00:15:01,304 Speaker 1: these things of like she's re releasing Reputation, there were 345 00:15:01,344 --> 00:15:03,504 Speaker 1: all these things. Yeah, and then instead of that, she 346 00:15:03,584 --> 00:15:06,344 Speaker 1: put this news out, which obviously her fans are super 347 00:15:06,384 --> 00:15:09,504 Speaker 1: excited about. But at the same time, they're just like, 348 00:15:09,664 --> 00:15:12,304 Speaker 1: we want to reputations so badly. Now. I don't think 349 00:15:12,304 --> 00:15:13,224 Speaker 1: they're ever going to get it. 350 00:15:13,424 --> 00:15:14,984 Speaker 2: I think they will, which is why I think she 351 00:15:15,024 --> 00:15:17,544 Speaker 2: made it point to like put it in the letter, yeah, 352 00:15:17,544 --> 00:15:20,024 Speaker 2: that she's already done the debut re record, so that 353 00:15:20,024 --> 00:15:23,384 Speaker 2: will probably be released first. But it was like during 354 00:15:23,424 --> 00:15:27,064 Speaker 2: that whole Kanne West situation when she did Reputation, where 355 00:15:27,104 --> 00:15:29,664 Speaker 2: like the audio was leaked of conversation she was having 356 00:15:29,664 --> 00:15:32,944 Speaker 2: with him, and that whole album was a very specific 357 00:15:32,984 --> 00:15:34,544 Speaker 2: time in her life that I have a feeling she 358 00:15:34,784 --> 00:15:36,424 Speaker 2: doesn't really want to relive. 359 00:15:36,504 --> 00:15:38,424 Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing that was interesting about that message 360 00:15:38,464 --> 00:15:40,664 Speaker 1: on her website too, was where she talked the fact 361 00:15:40,704 --> 00:15:43,544 Speaker 1: that there's this kind of inference there that she doesn't 362 00:15:43,584 --> 00:15:46,584 Speaker 1: think she can improve upon reputation, and she also doesn't 363 00:15:46,584 --> 00:15:49,064 Speaker 1: want to Yes, as you said, reading behind the lines, 364 00:15:49,064 --> 00:15:50,824 Speaker 1: that she doesn't want to go back in this moment 365 00:15:50,864 --> 00:15:53,464 Speaker 1: in time and seing about those past relationships or those 366 00:15:53,504 --> 00:15:56,984 Speaker 1: past situations she was in. But she also was just 367 00:15:57,344 --> 00:15:59,504 Speaker 1: the girl had writer's blook, she had a creativity book, 368 00:15:59,544 --> 00:16:01,304 Speaker 1: and she's like, she did what we all do. We're 369 00:16:01,304 --> 00:16:03,344 Speaker 1: in that situation. She's like, I'm gonna throw some money 370 00:16:03,664 --> 00:16:05,944 Speaker 1: at this problem and just make it go away and 371 00:16:05,984 --> 00:16:08,264 Speaker 1: buy it back instead of having to like get through 372 00:16:08,264 --> 00:16:10,344 Speaker 1: that creative blow. Because I think the first couple of albums, 373 00:16:10,584 --> 00:16:12,664 Speaker 1: I'm sure, like you know, she wrote those decades ago 374 00:16:12,704 --> 00:16:14,944 Speaker 1: when she was first starting out. I'm sure she looked 375 00:16:14,944 --> 00:16:17,064 Speaker 1: at those it's this incredible thing that she could build 376 00:16:17,144 --> 00:16:20,784 Speaker 1: upon and make better and re release. But reputations such 377 00:16:20,784 --> 00:16:22,784 Speaker 1: a kind of it's not that long ago and such 378 00:16:22,784 --> 00:16:24,664 Speaker 1: a solid album. She probably looked at it was like, 379 00:16:24,704 --> 00:16:26,384 Speaker 1: what can I do with this that's going to feel 380 00:16:26,424 --> 00:16:27,184 Speaker 1: new and creative? 381 00:16:27,464 --> 00:16:30,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so good, And also three hundred and sixty 382 00:16:30,744 --> 00:16:33,104 Speaker 2: million sounds like a lot, But as for a billionaire, 383 00:16:33,144 --> 00:16:35,144 Speaker 2: it's not that much money at all. 384 00:16:35,264 --> 00:16:37,504 Speaker 1: Exactly. She was probably like, this is a bargain in 385 00:16:37,544 --> 00:16:40,304 Speaker 1: my music double by it. And also as much as 386 00:16:40,384 --> 00:16:42,224 Speaker 1: like that was a terrible situation for her to be 387 00:16:42,304 --> 00:16:44,264 Speaker 1: and I think you watch those old interviews of her 388 00:16:44,304 --> 00:16:47,304 Speaker 1: talking about having her music sold, It is this really 389 00:16:47,344 --> 00:16:50,664 Speaker 1: deeply personal thing. But on a publicity front, it worked 390 00:16:50,664 --> 00:16:53,024 Speaker 1: out really well for her to do these big releases, 391 00:16:53,424 --> 00:16:55,984 Speaker 1: to do Taylor's version, because then people were so on 392 00:16:56,064 --> 00:16:58,424 Speaker 1: her side, like she wasn't just their favorite musician, she 393 00:16:58,464 --> 00:17:01,704 Speaker 1: was like this trailblazing business woman and people love listening 394 00:17:01,784 --> 00:17:03,864 Speaker 1: to music that's like sticking it to someone they hate, 395 00:17:03,904 --> 00:17:06,784 Speaker 1: and in this case, like Scooter Braun was very much 396 00:17:06,904 --> 00:17:10,144 Speaker 1: the villain Scooter Braun and Karlie Kloss to an extent, 397 00:17:10,424 --> 00:17:12,584 Speaker 1: Carlie Klaus Okay, I know that's a real deep cut 398 00:17:12,624 --> 00:17:14,944 Speaker 1: and some people don't believe this, but the law behind 399 00:17:14,984 --> 00:17:17,544 Speaker 1: this is is that obviously, I know people think Taylor 400 00:17:17,544 --> 00:17:19,224 Speaker 1: Swift and Carli Closs were in love. We can't get 401 00:17:19,264 --> 00:17:20,304 Speaker 1: into that right now, that's all. 402 00:17:20,624 --> 00:17:22,944 Speaker 2: And she was the only one that was spotted at 403 00:17:22,944 --> 00:17:25,064 Speaker 2: a Taylor Swift concert who wasn't in the VIP. 404 00:17:25,224 --> 00:17:25,704 Speaker 1: Tem bought. 405 00:17:25,784 --> 00:17:27,304 Speaker 2: She bought her own tickets. 406 00:17:27,384 --> 00:17:29,704 Speaker 1: But also that's the night that Taylor Swift played one 407 00:17:29,704 --> 00:17:31,544 Speaker 1: of the songs it's about Carlie Kloss that she doesn't 408 00:17:31,544 --> 00:17:33,864 Speaker 1: normally play. I know, it's really intense. If you go 409 00:17:33,904 --> 00:17:36,384 Speaker 1: down that bubble, it's like an interesting it's an interesting 410 00:17:36,424 --> 00:17:39,984 Speaker 1: little But one of the theories is is that Scooter 411 00:17:40,024 --> 00:17:43,464 Speaker 1: braun knew that Taylor Swift's music was available through this 412 00:17:43,544 --> 00:17:47,064 Speaker 1: company to buy because Carlie Kloss had let it slip 413 00:17:47,344 --> 00:17:50,104 Speaker 1: in a conversation. And so the thinking is is that 414 00:17:50,104 --> 00:17:52,584 Speaker 1: that is what ended the friendship between Carlie Kloss and 415 00:17:52,624 --> 00:17:54,864 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, because as much as they both have said 416 00:17:54,864 --> 00:17:58,384 Speaker 1: there's no beef, they were together all the time for 417 00:17:58,504 --> 00:18:00,944 Speaker 1: years and years and years and each other's person and 418 00:18:00,984 --> 00:18:04,104 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden just would never photograph together again. 419 00:18:04,184 --> 00:18:06,904 Speaker 1: Taylor wasn't the wedding, you know, there's never any photos 420 00:18:06,944 --> 00:18:09,464 Speaker 1: of them. Even Jennifer Lawrence want said on an interview, 421 00:18:09,464 --> 00:18:11,344 Speaker 1: the one thing she wants to know is what happened 422 00:18:11,344 --> 00:18:13,744 Speaker 1: between Taylor Swift and Carlie Klaus And I'm like, well, 423 00:18:13,744 --> 00:18:15,824 Speaker 1: if Jennifer Lawrence can't find out, like, how are the 424 00:18:15,824 --> 00:18:19,744 Speaker 1: rest of us supposed to know? The other interesting thing 425 00:18:19,784 --> 00:18:23,184 Speaker 1: is when Taylor Swift put up that photo of as 426 00:18:23,184 --> 00:18:25,064 Speaker 1: you were saying before with the records and saying that 427 00:18:25,104 --> 00:18:26,864 Speaker 1: she brought her music back. I was going through the 428 00:18:26,904 --> 00:18:30,184 Speaker 1: celebrities that likes them, and an interesting one was Hailey Bieber. 429 00:18:31,024 --> 00:18:33,544 Speaker 1: Now not to put interesting well, not to put everything 430 00:18:33,544 --> 00:18:34,984 Speaker 1: on Hailey Bieber, especially because. 431 00:18:34,744 --> 00:18:35,784 Speaker 2: She's just going through so much. 432 00:18:36,384 --> 00:18:40,144 Speaker 1: Well, Scooter Braun was Justin Bieber's manager, that's right for 433 00:18:40,304 --> 00:18:43,584 Speaker 1: a really just unfollowing him, yes, and then they had 434 00:18:43,824 --> 00:18:47,824 Speaker 1: a big kind of falling out. And what people think 435 00:18:47,944 --> 00:18:51,104 Speaker 1: is that Justin Bieber still owes Scooter Braun a huge 436 00:18:51,144 --> 00:18:54,384 Speaker 1: amount of money from when he canceled his Big World tour. Again, 437 00:18:54,424 --> 00:18:56,344 Speaker 1: this is all allegations, and some of this is from 438 00:18:56,424 --> 00:18:59,304 Speaker 1: a big TMZ documentary, So we're putting a not a 439 00:18:59,384 --> 00:19:01,264 Speaker 1: you know, not one hundred percent truth on it. But 440 00:19:01,264 --> 00:19:03,944 Speaker 1: at the same time, my thinking is if it was lies, 441 00:19:04,024 --> 00:19:07,064 Speaker 1: then Justin Bieber and Scooter Braun's legal teams could you 442 00:19:07,064 --> 00:19:09,664 Speaker 1: can get something taken down if it's a lie, if 443 00:19:09,664 --> 00:19:13,544 Speaker 1: it's definitely but you have to prove that it's a lie, 444 00:19:13,864 --> 00:19:16,464 Speaker 1: which is sometimes why these things get left up because 445 00:19:16,464 --> 00:19:19,024 Speaker 1: they kind one hundred percent prove it's a lie, but 446 00:19:19,104 --> 00:19:20,864 Speaker 1: it's still at the allegation. 447 00:19:20,424 --> 00:19:21,744 Speaker 2: You see here. 448 00:19:21,784 --> 00:19:25,184 Speaker 1: First, I'm just saying allegation because I feel like Scooter Brauns, 449 00:19:25,264 --> 00:19:27,344 Speaker 1: especially at the moment, he's probably feeling a bit fragile, 450 00:19:27,384 --> 00:19:28,064 Speaker 1: so I don't want his. 451 00:19:28,464 --> 00:19:30,064 Speaker 2: We don't need to be sun. 452 00:19:30,144 --> 00:19:32,984 Speaker 1: I just definitely not gonna have time for that. So that, yes, 453 00:19:33,144 --> 00:19:35,344 Speaker 1: Justin Bieber canceled his tours, so then he owed Scooter 454 00:19:35,384 --> 00:19:37,784 Speaker 1: Braun a huge amount of money, which is why people 455 00:19:37,784 --> 00:19:40,744 Speaker 1: think that Haley Biaber sold her road company for such 456 00:19:40,744 --> 00:19:43,904 Speaker 1: a huge amount of money recently to sort of help 457 00:19:43,944 --> 00:19:47,104 Speaker 1: with that debt. And also, Scooter Braun and Justin Bieber 458 00:19:47,144 --> 00:19:50,424 Speaker 1: are very much parted ways, like, don't work together anymore, 459 00:19:50,504 --> 00:19:52,784 Speaker 1: unfollowed each other. There's all this money stuff up in 460 00:19:52,824 --> 00:19:56,464 Speaker 1: the air, so people think that Hailey Bieber was once Scooter, 461 00:19:56,824 --> 00:19:59,384 Speaker 1: Justin and Hailey on one team, and like Taylor Swift 462 00:19:59,384 --> 00:20:01,984 Speaker 1: and her people on the other. So the fact that 463 00:20:02,024 --> 00:20:06,784 Speaker 1: Haley liked the Instagram post after Justin and Scooter Braun 464 00:20:06,824 --> 00:20:10,464 Speaker 1: have stopped talking feels like she crossed enemy lines to 465 00:20:10,544 --> 00:20:13,064 Speaker 1: kind of, yeah, to show her support for the other 466 00:20:13,104 --> 00:20:15,224 Speaker 1: side and to show support for Taylor Swift even though 467 00:20:15,264 --> 00:20:17,624 Speaker 1: they had before this been on different sides because of. 468 00:20:17,664 --> 00:20:22,504 Speaker 2: Men oh my god. Okay, you've gone deep into this. 469 00:20:22,504 --> 00:20:25,224 Speaker 1: This is one hundred surface level. There's so much more. 470 00:20:25,584 --> 00:20:27,704 Speaker 2: Oh, maybe she also wants to be if like Taylor 471 00:20:27,784 --> 00:20:30,344 Speaker 2: Reed does like Bad Blood and she wants to be 472 00:20:30,344 --> 00:20:32,144 Speaker 2: one of those models in bad Blood. Maybe she just 473 00:20:32,184 --> 00:20:33,504 Speaker 2: wants to be in I would love. 474 00:20:33,384 --> 00:20:35,584 Speaker 1: That to see that video clip remade, Like how good 475 00:20:35,584 --> 00:20:39,624 Speaker 1: would that be? Such a special And she's made more 476 00:20:39,704 --> 00:20:43,384 Speaker 1: enemies since then. She's got so mad about anyone. She's 477 00:20:43,384 --> 00:20:45,744 Speaker 1: got so many more enemies that she could take down. 478 00:20:46,184 --> 00:20:48,784 Speaker 1: So there's been a lot of like theories being thrown around. 479 00:20:48,904 --> 00:20:51,264 Speaker 1: Is that one that she brought her master's back because 480 00:20:51,304 --> 00:20:53,504 Speaker 1: she was creatively boxed. The other one was just that 481 00:20:53,544 --> 00:20:55,584 Speaker 1: they were it just worked out from a business sense. 482 00:20:55,984 --> 00:20:58,264 Speaker 1: There's also the theory that she just wasn't ready to 483 00:20:58,544 --> 00:21:01,184 Speaker 1: re record all those songs about those relationships. But the 484 00:21:01,224 --> 00:21:03,344 Speaker 1: other one is a little bit to do with Blake Lively. 485 00:21:03,384 --> 00:21:05,464 Speaker 1: But this is a long straw before you get excited. 486 00:21:05,304 --> 00:21:08,344 Speaker 2: Because she has songs no. 487 00:21:07,664 --> 00:21:10,864 Speaker 1: No, because one of Blake C. Lively's daughters yes the song, 488 00:21:10,904 --> 00:21:13,304 Speaker 1: and is also the voice of gorgeous Yeah says gorgeous 489 00:21:13,344 --> 00:21:19,144 Speaker 1: Yeah at the beginning. Yeah, It's like yeah, the dinner. 490 00:21:20,064 --> 00:21:22,704 Speaker 1: Which kid is that, Betty, It's or James. It's one 491 00:21:22,704 --> 00:21:26,544 Speaker 1: of the one of them. It's James is the oldest girl, right, yeah, 492 00:21:26,624 --> 00:21:29,704 Speaker 1: James is the oldest girl. And then Enez is the 493 00:21:29,744 --> 00:21:32,864 Speaker 1: second daughter of Ryan Reynolds. And Blake Clively might. 494 00:21:32,664 --> 00:21:34,904 Speaker 2: Be in theirs because James and Betty were already like 495 00:21:34,984 --> 00:21:36,224 Speaker 2: name dropped in the other song. 496 00:21:36,304 --> 00:21:39,344 Speaker 1: And yeah, potentially they're all in the song, Betty, but 497 00:21:39,384 --> 00:21:41,304 Speaker 1: you would have looked this up. I don't think this 498 00:21:41,344 --> 00:21:43,224 Speaker 1: is meant to be a mystery. But all those children, 499 00:21:43,344 --> 00:21:45,744 Speaker 1: all their three daughters, James and Betty all time, and then. 500 00:21:45,664 --> 00:21:47,264 Speaker 2: Yeah, they will have an appearance of Taylor as well. 501 00:21:47,344 --> 00:21:49,224 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then a little all in the baby hasn't 502 00:21:49,224 --> 00:21:54,224 Speaker 1: been dragged into the Hey the boy yes again not 503 00:21:54,224 --> 00:21:57,184 Speaker 1: breaking you got it anyway. Anyway, I saw a lot 504 00:21:57,224 --> 00:21:59,664 Speaker 1: of people saying, like, Wow, Taylor Swift will literally spend 505 00:21:59,944 --> 00:22:02,984 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars rather than have 506 00:22:03,464 --> 00:22:06,264 Speaker 1: Blake Lively's daughter re record that intro to her song 507 00:22:06,584 --> 00:22:07,784 Speaker 1: because apparently they're beefing. 508 00:22:07,784 --> 00:22:09,944 Speaker 2: I don't think that's But also, she'd sound much older now, 509 00:22:09,984 --> 00:22:12,384 Speaker 2: she'd be like gorgeous. 510 00:22:13,184 --> 00:22:19,224 Speaker 1: With perfect pronunciation, it doesn't git the same way. No, 511 00:22:19,344 --> 00:22:21,824 Speaker 1: I mean, Bike Lovely and Ryan Reynolds have so many kids. 512 00:22:21,864 --> 00:22:25,144 Speaker 1: I could just go down the line. Yah, then they 513 00:22:25,264 --> 00:22:28,304 Speaker 1: find another one. But yeah, it's interesting how like Taylor 514 00:22:28,344 --> 00:22:30,704 Speaker 1: Swifter has been like laying so low for so long. 515 00:22:31,184 --> 00:22:32,584 Speaker 1: You know, I guess having her time out of the 516 00:22:32,584 --> 00:22:35,264 Speaker 1: spotlight since the Eras tour finished, came out with this 517 00:22:35,304 --> 00:22:38,784 Speaker 1: big announcement that people weren't expecting, and then did her 518 00:22:38,864 --> 00:22:41,304 Speaker 1: standard like go out to a New York hot spot 519 00:22:41,344 --> 00:22:43,384 Speaker 1: for dinner with like a chosen friend to have a 520 00:22:43,424 --> 00:22:46,784 Speaker 1: paparazzi moment? Was that Selena? Yeah, what do you think 521 00:22:46,784 --> 00:22:47,944 Speaker 1: they chatted about dinner? 522 00:22:48,344 --> 00:22:52,864 Speaker 2: They chatted about how Selena is engaged and what like 523 00:22:52,984 --> 00:22:56,744 Speaker 2: engagement life CYC. Now they chatted about Taylor's heels because 524 00:22:56,744 --> 00:22:58,744 Speaker 2: she wore really nice platform heels and I'm in support 525 00:22:58,784 --> 00:23:01,904 Speaker 2: of tall women wearing platform heels. Yeah, so they talked 526 00:23:01,904 --> 00:23:06,104 Speaker 2: about kind of societal like demographics of wearing platform heels. 527 00:23:06,704 --> 00:23:09,864 Speaker 2: Boyfriend can do, that's true, She's question, She's I'll find 528 00:23:09,904 --> 00:23:10,744 Speaker 2: you all boy away. 529 00:23:10,744 --> 00:23:12,504 Speaker 1: Okay, where's this loop? 530 00:23:13,144 --> 00:23:14,784 Speaker 2: And then I think they also talked about like when 531 00:23:14,824 --> 00:23:16,824 Speaker 2: Taylor's going to get engaged because I think it's gonna 532 00:23:16,824 --> 00:23:17,064 Speaker 2: come up. 533 00:23:17,104 --> 00:23:20,584 Speaker 1: Okay, that's such a nicer take on those photos and everything. 534 00:23:20,224 --> 00:23:23,024 Speaker 2: That I I'm not a believer in what everyone's been 535 00:23:23,024 --> 00:23:26,584 Speaker 2: saying with those photos, saying what everyone's been playing that 536 00:23:26,624 --> 00:23:27,344 Speaker 2: she's pregnant. 537 00:23:27,824 --> 00:23:31,264 Speaker 1: Oh Selena, no, oh okay, just so you know, just 538 00:23:31,304 --> 00:23:33,424 Speaker 1: when you whisper into the microphone, you're still I know. 539 00:23:33,544 --> 00:23:35,904 Speaker 2: But if I whisper it, it's not coming from me, 540 00:23:35,984 --> 00:23:36,944 Speaker 2: Like I'm not saying. 541 00:23:36,744 --> 00:23:39,664 Speaker 1: It, Okay, kind of say, I have not heard that 542 00:23:39,704 --> 00:23:42,224 Speaker 1: Taylor's was pregnant, that rumor, and that's not what I 543 00:23:42,264 --> 00:23:44,744 Speaker 1: was getting at. I thought it was like a revenge 544 00:23:44,784 --> 00:23:47,504 Speaker 1: plotting dinner because that she'd taken down Scooter Braun. It 545 00:23:47,544 --> 00:23:50,184 Speaker 1: was like a it was like and like what steps 546 00:23:50,264 --> 00:23:52,624 Speaker 1: next and where like where she goes from here kind 547 00:23:52,624 --> 00:23:54,944 Speaker 1: of thing, and also like a celebration like thing. Dong 548 00:23:54,944 --> 00:23:55,544 Speaker 1: the King is dead. 549 00:23:55,864 --> 00:23:57,624 Speaker 2: Well, I wish I was on that side of the interview. 550 00:23:57,824 --> 00:24:01,224 Speaker 2: That sounds much more fun. Maybe they're planning to redo 551 00:24:01,304 --> 00:24:03,744 Speaker 2: Bad Blood and that was the whole pitch meeting for this. 552 00:24:03,744 --> 00:24:06,264 Speaker 1: This is what I'm thinking. I didn't think that boyfriend's engagements, 553 00:24:06,264 --> 00:24:08,104 Speaker 1: that that happened ages ago. They've moved on from that. 554 00:24:08,144 --> 00:24:11,984 Speaker 1: I'm just a misogynist, yeah maybe something. Everything you've said 555 00:24:11,984 --> 00:24:17,704 Speaker 1: this me to believe that. So yeah, So Taylor Stiff 556 00:24:17,784 --> 00:24:20,664 Speaker 1: now owns her Masters. So you can listen to either 557 00:24:20,704 --> 00:24:24,544 Speaker 1: the original or Taylor's version. That's all your streams, whichever 558 00:24:24,584 --> 00:24:25,064 Speaker 1: one you want. 559 00:24:24,984 --> 00:24:27,384 Speaker 2: To listen to a place. 560 00:24:27,984 --> 00:24:30,904 Speaker 1: And as she said, reputation is still coming. She said 561 00:24:30,904 --> 00:24:32,984 Speaker 1: she has some songs from the vault. I think that's 562 00:24:33,024 --> 00:24:36,584 Speaker 1: almost what we need more again, Yeah, songs that she 563 00:24:36,664 --> 00:24:38,784 Speaker 1: maybe wrote at the reputation era a time that she 564 00:24:38,824 --> 00:24:39,904 Speaker 1: hasn't released. 565 00:24:39,984 --> 00:24:42,704 Speaker 2: Something scandalous, like something that just goes in on. 566 00:24:42,544 --> 00:24:44,424 Speaker 1: It or I mean knowing tell us if she could 567 00:24:44,424 --> 00:24:46,864 Speaker 1: just drop a whole new album, I hope. But she's 568 00:24:46,904 --> 00:24:48,264 Speaker 1: at least she consider this victory. 569 00:24:48,464 --> 00:24:50,344 Speaker 2: It's just not fun when she is in the headlines. 570 00:24:50,784 --> 00:24:53,264 Speaker 1: It's just more fun when she's plotting and planning. And again, 571 00:24:53,384 --> 00:24:55,904 Speaker 1: half of her like, yes, the girl is like she's 572 00:24:55,904 --> 00:24:59,464 Speaker 1: a good singer, she's a great lyricist, she's an excellent performer, 573 00:24:59,704 --> 00:25:03,744 Speaker 1: but above all, she's just a good media storyteller in 574 00:25:03,824 --> 00:25:06,664 Speaker 1: terms of like crafting a tale and getting people on 575 00:25:06,704 --> 00:25:09,064 Speaker 1: her side and having this story and have everyone looking 576 00:25:09,104 --> 00:25:11,224 Speaker 1: for these clues and what's can happen next with There's 577 00:25:11,264 --> 00:25:14,544 Speaker 1: no other singer that we're looking at and like mapping out, 578 00:25:14,584 --> 00:25:16,024 Speaker 1: like the moves she's gonna make next. 579 00:25:16,104 --> 00:25:16,664 Speaker 2: That's true. 580 00:25:16,744 --> 00:25:20,024 Speaker 1: It's yeah, very intense, but yeah, I wouldn't want to 581 00:25:20,024 --> 00:25:22,104 Speaker 1: be Scooter Braun today, not me girl. 582 00:25:22,824 --> 00:25:25,264 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. 583 00:25:25,424 --> 00:25:27,784 Speaker 2: Do not forget to follow us on TikTok at the 584 00:25:27,784 --> 00:25:31,544 Speaker 2: Spill podcast. 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