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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma mea podcast from MoMA Mia. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix.

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Speaker 2: I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Ambana and we're back.

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Speaker 1: Well this is your normal day to be back for

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Speaker 1: the week, So welcome back for twenty twenty six. Apologies

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Speaker 1: everyone that I missed the first three shows of the

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Speaker 1: year waiting for me. I was waiting for you to

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Speaker 1: come back. Can you imagine the tantrum that would have

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Speaker 1: been me through? No, I got sick for the first

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Speaker 1: time and I don't know, like three years. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: my Usually, my claim to fame is I never take

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Speaker 1: a sick day.

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Speaker 2: When you get sick, it's actually quite scary because we

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Speaker 2: know it has to be really really bad or scary.

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Speaker 1: It was scary, but anyway, I'm back, rearing to go.

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Speaker 1: I was like, no musket out of bed, Celebrity news

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Speaker 1: discussed so and it's like the time of year. Wee

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Speaker 1: there's so much today. No, I know, I know, And

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Speaker 1: I had a really humbling moment one of my many

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Speaker 1: doctors appointments, been like, I have to go back to work.

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Speaker 1: I have to go back to work. And she's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: are you in emergency services, and I was like, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: in a way, yes, not even closed anyway. On the

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Speaker 1: show today, so much to discuss. We're going to be

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Speaker 1: doing the pop culture trends moments, maybe even people. I

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Speaker 1: haven't seen your list, but I hear it's cutting of

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Speaker 1: the things we are leaving behind in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Plus we did touch on it earlier in the week,

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Speaker 1: but this mom group drama with Ashley Tisdale Hillary Duff

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Speaker 1: has blown up so much more.

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Speaker 2: This is like my generation wet dream feud.

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And also so many other celebs have

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Speaker 1: jumped in, like other people, like family members have jumped in,

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Speaker 1: and not just the ones you'd think we're going to

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Speaker 1: get into that. I think you know something I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think I do. Actually I guess I do. So

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Speaker 1: we're going to get into that. But first we have

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Speaker 1: some other news from the week, and that is the

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Speaker 1: fact that Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban's divorce has been finalized.

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Speaker 2: I thought this was finalized million years ago.

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Speaker 1: What's going on with them? Well, these things take a while,

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Speaker 1: so you've got to file the divorce proceedings. Sometimes it

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Speaker 1: takes a lot longer than this. It feels like they've

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Speaker 1: worked out the details well before anything went public, so

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Speaker 1: it's many months ago. But yes, the court documents were

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Speaker 1: filed just in the last week, and of course as

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Speaker 1: soon as the court documents were filed, a number of

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Speaker 1: outlets like Daily Mail and Page six were able to

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Speaker 1: obtain the full documents and everyone has been able to

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Speaker 1: comb through and get all the details, which I do

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Speaker 1: wonder if that really affects a big celebrity divorce like this,

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Speaker 1: and if some things were disclosed or organized behind the scenes,

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Speaker 1: because you've got to be thinking that anything you're requesting,

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Speaker 1: anything you're asking for, even your assets. Like ma'am, how

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Speaker 1: when we were talking about this, when it first came

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Speaker 1: out the documents were first filed and we first got

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Speaker 1: a glimpse into what Nicole and Keith were trying to

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Speaker 1: break up. Was the frequent flyer miles That was a

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Speaker 1: big thing on that Australian thing. Ever, Yeah, Nicole's like,

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Speaker 2: So Australia's far from Ember we need those points. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: exactly makes sense to us.

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Speaker 1: I mean that blew up mostly because of ours. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: whole thing. Oh my god, I remember that. I was like, no, guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm on your side. I'm on a goal side always.

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Speaker 1: But I wonder if they kind of think about that,

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Speaker 1: spousal support, so they don't have to pay each other

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Speaker 1: other any money, which again makes sense when you're both

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and also it's not worth the public knowing exactly.

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Speaker 1: But in saying that, though a lot of very high

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Speaker 1: people do sue each other for spousal support or child support,

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Speaker 2: Rich they And that's where like kind of the room

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Speaker 2: And I remember even when we were talking about Angelina

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Speaker 1: It to be yeah, exactly, so they're trying to keep

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Speaker 1: One thing came out is that the custody agreement for

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Speaker 1: three hundred and six days of the year, and then

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Speaker 2: Which I remember we talked about this when that was

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Speaker 2: seeing the dad every second weekend, which doesn't sound like

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Speaker 2: a huge deal, but when you hear the words three

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Speaker 1: Like a lot spelt And again, I mean I was

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Speaker 1: Obviously we don't know the ins and outs, but to me,

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Speaker 1: and it felt like maybe there would be some sort

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming that if she wants to go see her

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Speaker 2: Where, especially if they're like mainly living in the US

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Speaker 2: in their Nashville house. I would assume that kids when

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you wouldn't need that full custody thing. So

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Speaker 1: They also agree that all property, including their investments, bank accounts,

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Speaker 1: like whatever artworks again, like yeah, whoever got like the

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Speaker 2: Because I think it's been said also that Nicole is

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Speaker 1: The frequent fly miles or in the house. No mention

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Speaker 1: for it always shocking news to us when it was announced.

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Speaker 1: Obviously no one files a divorce in a flippant way.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there was a huge build up, but it

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Speaker 1: everyone's houses, like we've already discussed it. So nothing has

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I didn't have to be papped as much,

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Speaker 2: God always lan so our pop culture editor Tina Burke,

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Speaker 2: who's also host of Spills. Sometimes she saw a TikTok

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Speaker 2: of someone saying that they are unfollowing Dua Lipa in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six scandalous. It's not that scandaliss. She said

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Speaker 2: she was unfollowing Dua Lipa because she's so hot and

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Speaker 1: Life and she's always on a holiday, Yeah, which is fair. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I don't want to see that when I'm at work. Well, yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: you don't want to work on on my especially because

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Speaker 1: she's about to have her hot, sexy wedding to Callumton.

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Speaker 1: It's also hot and sex. It's also hot and sexy,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, we don't need to see that.

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Speaker 2: And you know what I really like about them that

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Speaker 2: He's like yeah, I mean like everyone's short to me,

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Speaker 2: I think they are. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think he's whiter.

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Speaker 2: He just become hotter, and like she's only like a

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I like that. We love a tall pop star, yes.

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Speaker 2: I love anyway. That's besides the point. So what Tina

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Speaker 2: No, I'm saying that if she made more music, then

431
00:18:56,474 --> 00:18:59,194
Speaker 2: I'll have no choice but two but to do it. Yes,

432
00:18:59,314 --> 00:19:01,513
Speaker 2: So if she just stopped making music, then that's fine.

433
00:19:01,554 --> 00:19:04,474
Speaker 1: So she got her own social account after that wholeby

434
00:19:04,514 --> 00:19:06,674
Speaker 1: back and forth with her famous parents and then also

435
00:19:06,674 --> 00:19:09,514
Speaker 1: they've all been deleted. Yeah, so I wonder if like her,

436
00:19:09,634 --> 00:19:11,794
Speaker 1: if like Kim and see the tiktoks, Oh my god,

437
00:19:11,834 --> 00:19:14,114
Speaker 1: that was like my entertainment for the whole Christmas period.

438
00:19:14,154 --> 00:19:16,794
Speaker 1: Oh watching Northwest tiktoksa were they wild? I didn't see

439
00:19:16,794 --> 00:19:17,634
Speaker 1: them now? They were fun.

440
00:19:17,674 --> 00:19:18,914
Speaker 2: She was just like with her friend and she was

441
00:19:18,914 --> 00:19:21,273
Speaker 2: wearing these crazy wigs and she was dancing and singing.

442
00:19:21,514 --> 00:19:23,634
Speaker 2: I think the issue is is that because it's still

443
00:19:23,674 --> 00:19:26,394
Speaker 2: the account Kim and North, so it's still there, like

444
00:19:26,674 --> 00:19:29,394
Speaker 2: the name is called Kim and North and every time

445
00:19:29,394 --> 00:19:33,274
Speaker 2: they posted a video, Kim I'm assuming would automatically disabled

446
00:19:33,274 --> 00:19:35,834
Speaker 2: comments and all the comments were left on during the

447
00:19:35,874 --> 00:19:36,593
Speaker 2: Christmas period.

448
00:19:37,034 --> 00:19:39,674
Speaker 1: Oh oh no. But also she got her own Instagram account.

449
00:19:39,674 --> 00:19:42,194
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she did, and that's been taken down. I

450
00:19:42,194 --> 00:19:45,194
Speaker 1: think people just troll that poor girl. And again, well.

451
00:19:45,074 --> 00:19:48,394
Speaker 2: Maybe she couldn't compete with Northwest's black Book Little Black.

452
00:19:48,554 --> 00:19:51,754
Speaker 1: Oh no, he's black boy. I love that account. I know.

453
00:19:51,754 --> 00:19:53,754
Speaker 1: I remember she was on the Kardashian Zone who wrote

454
00:19:53,754 --> 00:19:57,194
Speaker 1: that she looks scared walking in her scared too. It's

455
00:19:57,234 --> 00:19:58,994
Speaker 1: hard because I think you and I said this before

456
00:19:58,994 --> 00:20:00,954
Speaker 1: that we feel a real affinity with her. If anyone

457
00:20:00,994 --> 00:20:03,634
Speaker 1: had filmed us at that age, we would be worse,

458
00:20:03,914 --> 00:20:06,194
Speaker 1: way worse. Oh my god, Oh my god. I was

459
00:20:06,274 --> 00:20:09,073
Speaker 1: such a drama queen. Wait but no filter and all

460
00:20:09,114 --> 00:20:10,714
Speaker 1: over the place, and I would just be doing like

461
00:20:10,754 --> 00:20:12,314
Speaker 1: our long skits on there and everyone would be like,

462
00:20:12,394 --> 00:20:13,074
Speaker 1: we don't need that.

463
00:20:13,314 --> 00:20:17,074
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be like bad mouthing every celebrity come a game.

464
00:20:17,194 --> 00:20:18,353
Speaker 1: As soon as I sort of got like a bit

465
00:20:18,354 --> 00:20:19,714
Speaker 1: of attention for it, I'd be bad.

466
00:20:19,794 --> 00:20:21,994
Speaker 2: Like and my mom hates her, and my dad hates her,

467
00:20:22,154 --> 00:20:24,954
Speaker 2: and my dad hates him, and this person hates them.

468
00:20:25,354 --> 00:20:27,714
Speaker 1: It's even a lot where they let those scenes play

469
00:20:27,754 --> 00:20:30,074
Speaker 1: on the Kardashians, where it shows her like being rude

470
00:20:30,114 --> 00:20:32,634
Speaker 1: to people and like bad mouthing people. And I always

471
00:20:32,674 --> 00:20:34,353
Speaker 1: wonder about showing that because I feel like him, and

472
00:20:34,354 --> 00:20:36,313
Speaker 1: like all the Kardashians are very protective of what they

473
00:20:36,314 --> 00:20:37,114
Speaker 1: show their kids.

474
00:20:37,314 --> 00:20:39,833
Speaker 2: Well, you have to be right, because even like North

475
00:20:40,034 --> 00:20:42,994
Speaker 2: Kanye West listed a betrayal list and she was on the.

476
00:20:43,034 --> 00:20:45,874
Speaker 1: List, Like that's a whole Separence.

477
00:20:45,634 --> 00:20:49,434
Speaker 2: Cray separate thing, but still being a kid in that

478
00:20:49,474 --> 00:20:53,154
Speaker 2: type of fame must be so so hard.

479
00:20:53,354 --> 00:20:54,674
Speaker 1: If that was me and it got to and I

480
00:20:54,714 --> 00:20:57,114
Speaker 1: got to be even like a young adult, I'd be like, mom,

481
00:20:57,274 --> 00:21:00,234
Speaker 1: why did you feel me? Talking shit about people? And

482
00:21:00,274 --> 00:21:04,034
Speaker 1: then put it on your TV show like I'm a child.

483
00:21:04,074 --> 00:21:06,394
Speaker 1: I didn't know any better. I can't get a job now. Yeah,

484
00:21:06,474 --> 00:21:10,474
Speaker 1: never hate me? So yeah, yeah, so maybe maybe Northwest

485
00:21:10,514 --> 00:21:12,314
Speaker 1: just off socials and just let her be a kid.

486
00:21:12,474 --> 00:21:14,513
Speaker 2: Yeah, for a little bit of fun, no singing there.

487
00:21:15,314 --> 00:21:16,234
Speaker 2: Do you have any I.

488
00:21:16,154 --> 00:21:18,434
Speaker 1: Think you've cover a lot of it, a lot you

489
00:21:18,514 --> 00:21:21,834
Speaker 1: were I was just gonna say, self important male actors

490
00:21:22,514 --> 00:21:24,954
Speaker 1: who method act or think that they're too good to

491
00:21:24,994 --> 00:21:27,474
Speaker 1: be in the world. Method acting is out. Method acting

492
00:21:27,554 --> 00:21:29,474
Speaker 1: is out. Kristen Stewart said at first, have you ever

493
00:21:29,474 --> 00:21:31,874
Speaker 1: seen a woman do that? No, you have not, because

494
00:21:31,874 --> 00:21:33,634
Speaker 1: they just come in and get the job done, and

495
00:21:33,874 --> 00:21:36,354
Speaker 1: men have to be like I'm above. Women kin't afford

496
00:21:36,434 --> 00:21:38,514
Speaker 1: to do that. And I also think like just men

497
00:21:38,794 --> 00:21:40,954
Speaker 1: being less self serious and showing a bit of whimsy

498
00:21:41,074 --> 00:21:43,674
Speaker 1: like I always saw Jacob Lady was so self important

499
00:21:43,794 --> 00:21:46,154
Speaker 1: talking about his craft, talking about this and that, and

500
00:21:46,194 --> 00:21:47,714
Speaker 1: then the other day I saw a video of him

501
00:21:47,714 --> 00:21:50,634
Speaker 1: talking about how much he loves like Hillary Duff and

502
00:21:50,834 --> 00:21:53,793
Speaker 1: Mary Kine, Ashley Olsen, and then he is getting roasted

503
00:21:53,834 --> 00:21:55,354
Speaker 1: for not knowing the name of Elizzie.

504
00:21:55,034 --> 00:21:56,954
Speaker 2: McGuire movie she was in the back of a moped.

505
00:21:57,034 --> 00:21:58,234
Speaker 1: He's like, you know the movie where she goes to

506
00:21:58,274 --> 00:22:00,313
Speaker 1: Italy And everyone's like, do you mean the movie? It's

507
00:22:00,354 --> 00:22:02,553
Speaker 1: so important one best movie. And I was like, let

508
00:22:02,594 --> 00:22:04,834
Speaker 1: the man talk about the movie. Just let him do that.

509
00:22:04,914 --> 00:22:06,154
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to be that serious.

510
00:22:08,234 --> 00:22:11,754
Speaker 2: Okay, I need to talk about the best celebrity drama

511
00:22:12,394 --> 00:22:14,354
Speaker 2: that's ever happened in my life.

512
00:22:14,554 --> 00:22:16,234
Speaker 1: Okay, really, wow, what a big call?

513
00:22:16,434 --> 00:22:18,434
Speaker 2: Do you not feel like this few that we're about

514
00:22:18,434 --> 00:22:21,194
Speaker 2: to discuss is taking it back to the early two thousands.

515
00:22:21,474 --> 00:22:24,594
Speaker 1: It is an unexpected start to twenty twenty six. And

516
00:22:24,634 --> 00:22:26,194
Speaker 1: the interesting thing, so, if you know not a cross

517
00:22:26,234 --> 00:22:29,754
Speaker 1: were talking about Ashley Tisdale's viral essay for the cart

518
00:22:29,794 --> 00:22:32,353
Speaker 1: about breaking out with her toxic Comum group. The thing

519
00:22:32,394 --> 00:22:35,194
Speaker 1: about this is that this never needed to be made public.

520
00:22:35,954 --> 00:22:38,273
Speaker 1: If she had not written that essay, it would not

521
00:22:38,394 --> 00:22:42,434
Speaker 1: have blown up. It's literally zero steaks. Yes, So which

522
00:22:42,474 --> 00:22:44,714
Speaker 1: is the best type of drama, So as a quick

523
00:22:44,754 --> 00:22:46,553
Speaker 1: catchup if anyone's on across. And we did touch on

524
00:22:46,594 --> 00:22:48,074
Speaker 1: this in a spill episode earlier in the week to

525
00:22:48,154 --> 00:22:50,954
Speaker 1: a segment. But it's a fast paced moving news story

526
00:22:50,994 --> 00:22:53,634
Speaker 1: and a lot of different developments. Someone probably posts something

527
00:22:53,634 --> 00:22:57,114
Speaker 1: well in here recording like it's honestly like I need

528
00:22:57,154 --> 00:22:59,114
Speaker 1: to be on the internet like twenty four second we

529
00:22:59,114 --> 00:23:02,554
Speaker 1: need rolling coverage of this. So Ashley Tisdale wrote her

530
00:23:02,914 --> 00:23:05,394
Speaker 1: essay for the cart and she didn't name any names,

531
00:23:05,394 --> 00:23:08,674
Speaker 1: but she talked about being part of a and it becoming,

532
00:23:08,794 --> 00:23:10,914
Speaker 1: from her words, very toxic and she felt like she

533
00:23:10,994 --> 00:23:14,074
Speaker 1: was being left out, and so she talked about breaking

534
00:23:14,114 --> 00:23:17,073
Speaker 1: up with them. Yeah, that came out, and she posted

535
00:23:17,074 --> 00:23:18,754
Speaker 1: about it, saying that she was hoping to make other

536
00:23:18,794 --> 00:23:21,634
Speaker 1: mums feel seen and heard and talking about this time

537
00:23:21,674 --> 00:23:24,274
Speaker 1: in her life. The issue then was that for many,

538
00:23:24,314 --> 00:23:27,594
Speaker 1: many years she had posted a lot of photos with

539
00:23:27,794 --> 00:23:30,794
Speaker 1: one of Is it Hollywood's like most well known mum group.

540
00:23:31,074 --> 00:23:34,394
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I didn't even know they were a mum group.

541
00:23:34,474 --> 00:23:37,754
Speaker 2: So it's this big group of women. Gorgeous women in

542
00:23:37,874 --> 00:23:42,394
Speaker 2: the group includes like Ashley Tisdale, herself, Hillary Duff, Mandy Moore,

543
00:23:42,514 --> 00:23:45,674
Speaker 2: Meghan Trainer, a lot of like famous famous people people

544
00:23:45,674 --> 00:23:48,514
Speaker 2: in the industry, like designers and stuff, and they would

545
00:23:48,594 --> 00:23:50,994
Speaker 2: go on these big trips. They would always do big

546
00:23:50,994 --> 00:23:54,234
Speaker 2: group photos together. They'd be a mum's weekend away and

547
00:23:54,274 --> 00:23:56,914
Speaker 2: then they'll post Instagram stories of all their husbands setting

548
00:23:56,954 --> 00:23:58,553
Speaker 2: them flowers on their weekend away.

549
00:23:58,754 --> 00:24:01,634
Speaker 1: Yeah. It felt like a very like tight, tight tight

550
00:24:02,554 --> 00:24:05,874
Speaker 1: always posting photos in each other's backyards and home matching

551
00:24:05,954 --> 00:24:08,634
Speaker 1: like outfits. Yeah. It was like a full on thing

552
00:24:08,754 --> 00:24:11,274
Speaker 1: of like how tight this mum group was. Yeah.

553
00:24:11,314 --> 00:24:15,234
Speaker 2: So when the essay came out on the cut, immediately

554
00:24:15,354 --> 00:24:19,434
Speaker 2: people started thinking, oh, this is the mum group she's

555
00:24:19,474 --> 00:24:22,194
Speaker 2: talking about, because she had all these posts about the

556
00:24:22,274 --> 00:24:26,034
Speaker 2: mum group and then she stopped posting about them, and

557
00:24:26,114 --> 00:24:29,354
Speaker 2: then some people started unfollowing other people, so people were like, oh,

558
00:24:29,354 --> 00:24:29,674
Speaker 2: this is.

559
00:24:29,634 --> 00:24:30,634
Speaker 1: Definitely the mum group.

560
00:24:30,714 --> 00:24:34,314
Speaker 2: The rumors got so big that representatives of Ashley Tisdale

561
00:24:34,354 --> 00:24:36,874
Speaker 2: had to go on the record to say wrong mum group,

562
00:24:37,034 --> 00:24:39,834
Speaker 2: wrong politics. Reason for wrong politics was because one of

563
00:24:39,874 --> 00:24:43,594
Speaker 2: the rumors was that she didn't politically align with people

564
00:24:43,634 --> 00:24:44,274
Speaker 2: in the middle.

565
00:24:44,194 --> 00:24:46,634
Speaker 1: Calling her Mega Barbie, so saying that she was Republican

566
00:24:46,634 --> 00:24:48,954
Speaker 1: and that went against the rest of the group. So yes,

567
00:24:49,074 --> 00:24:50,114
Speaker 1: which is also false.

568
00:24:50,154 --> 00:24:53,194
Speaker 2: She's not Republican from what we know. There's been posts

569
00:24:53,274 --> 00:24:56,474
Speaker 2: of her posting on her Instagram saying wrote Kamala Harris,

570
00:24:56,474 --> 00:24:57,954
Speaker 2: she follows Kamala Harris, Like.

571
00:24:57,914 --> 00:25:00,354
Speaker 1: Well, she's registered as a Democrat, so you can check that.

572
00:25:00,474 --> 00:25:02,474
Speaker 1: But I just don't think that's where the drama has

573
00:25:02,474 --> 00:25:02,794
Speaker 1: come from.

574
00:25:03,034 --> 00:25:05,274
Speaker 2: People just want to include politics because it's easy.

575
00:25:05,554 --> 00:25:09,754
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So her representative reached out to TMV interesting

576
00:25:10,194 --> 00:25:13,394
Speaker 1: and said that the online detectives are wrong. It's not

577
00:25:13,474 --> 00:25:16,114
Speaker 1: about this mum group and that she's a Democrat, and like,

578
00:25:16,234 --> 00:25:19,754
Speaker 1: only one of those things is true. Yes, yes, she's

579
00:25:19,754 --> 00:25:22,954
Speaker 1: a Democrat. But also if it's not this mum group,

580
00:25:22,954 --> 00:25:24,914
Speaker 1: then girl, you've been kicked out of two mum groups,

581
00:25:24,914 --> 00:25:27,394
Speaker 1: which is worse. That's way worse. Let people think it's

582
00:25:27,394 --> 00:25:29,513
Speaker 1: this one. But also, as we know now, it is

583
00:25:29,554 --> 00:25:31,754
Speaker 1: that mum group that is a group.

584
00:25:31,914 --> 00:25:36,513
Speaker 2: So after the essay went live, actually, Tisdale's husband, Christopher French,

585
00:25:37,034 --> 00:25:39,634
Speaker 2: reposted an image on his Instagram stories.

586
00:25:39,634 --> 00:25:41,354
Speaker 1: It was a text image and the text.

587
00:25:41,154 --> 00:25:45,474
Speaker 2: Said it's your choice whether or not to engage. So

588
00:25:45,914 --> 00:25:47,634
Speaker 2: we know all of this about the mum group at

589
00:25:47,634 --> 00:25:53,634
Speaker 2: this point, it's still rumors, right, But then Hillary Duff's husband, what's.

590
00:25:53,394 --> 00:25:54,714
Speaker 1: His name, Matthew Comer.

591
00:25:55,274 --> 00:25:58,554
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't know much about him except for now. He

592
00:25:58,754 --> 00:26:02,154
Speaker 2: posted an Instagram story. And this is where I get

593
00:26:02,194 --> 00:26:07,833
Speaker 2: really confused, because his Instagram story was the eature image

594
00:26:07,834 --> 00:26:11,234
Speaker 2: that she had on her cut piece with either his

595
00:26:11,394 --> 00:26:15,074
Speaker 2: head pasted on her body, or he replicated the exact

596
00:26:15,074 --> 00:26:18,314
Speaker 2: same photo, which is arguably worse and a lot more effort,

597
00:26:18,794 --> 00:26:21,394
Speaker 2: including like the tattoo on the wrist and the watch

598
00:26:21,514 --> 00:26:22,994
Speaker 2: and like the same. I have a feeling he just

599
00:26:22,994 --> 00:26:24,513
Speaker 2: put his head on her body.

600
00:26:24,554 --> 00:26:25,033
Speaker 1: It looks like that.

601
00:26:25,474 --> 00:26:28,194
Speaker 2: I'm hoping for his sake, and tied that's what he did.

602
00:26:28,714 --> 00:26:31,394
Speaker 2: So he did that, and then he made it like

603
00:26:31,434 --> 00:26:34,154
Speaker 2: the magazine cover with the cut logo in the top

604
00:26:34,234 --> 00:26:37,954
Speaker 2: right hand corner and the subhead on that said a

605
00:26:38,034 --> 00:26:41,114
Speaker 2: mum group Tell All through a father's eyes, and the

606
00:26:41,154 --> 00:26:44,674
Speaker 2: headline was when you're the most self obsessed, tone deaf

607
00:26:44,714 --> 00:26:47,594
Speaker 2: person on Earth. Other moms tend to shift focus to

608
00:26:47,674 --> 00:26:50,874
Speaker 2: their actual toddlers. Long headline, we won't be able to

609
00:26:50,874 --> 00:26:53,714
Speaker 2: do that. That's a bit too long for an actual headline.

610
00:26:53,834 --> 00:26:55,554
Speaker 2: And then he had a little caption that said, read

611
00:26:55,594 --> 00:26:56,874
Speaker 2: my interview with the cut so.

612
00:26:57,314 --> 00:26:59,674
Speaker 1: And he tagged the cut tied the cut He tagged.

613
00:27:00,234 --> 00:27:02,834
Speaker 2: Obviously the cuts numbers are off, Like if they didn't

614
00:27:02,834 --> 00:27:05,274
Speaker 2: get page views on that first story they are now.

615
00:27:05,314 --> 00:27:07,273
Speaker 1: Well I think they definitely did, and they haven't had

616
00:27:07,274 --> 00:27:09,394
Speaker 1: this much fun since the whole My best eye was

617
00:27:09,394 --> 00:27:15,514
Speaker 1: Caroline Carollaway. Oh my god, they haven't had this much

618
00:27:15,514 --> 00:27:19,194
Speaker 1: fun since then. So he was effectively saying that it

619
00:27:19,474 --> 00:27:22,234
Speaker 1: was my mum grew, which again we already knew. And

620
00:27:22,274 --> 00:27:25,154
Speaker 1: then Christopher French has weighed in again it's all the

621
00:27:25,234 --> 00:27:27,034
Speaker 1: husbands doing all the heavy lifting here.

622
00:27:27,874 --> 00:27:30,394
Speaker 2: It's like the husbands have been waiting for this moment

623
00:27:30,634 --> 00:27:32,793
Speaker 2: and they're like, this is my time to finally shine.

624
00:27:32,834 --> 00:27:36,114
Speaker 1: Because then after that happened, then Christopher French posted underrated

625
00:27:36,154 --> 00:27:38,714
Speaker 1: life skill, pausing to decide if it's worth your energy,

626
00:27:39,274 --> 00:27:40,834
Speaker 1: and I was like, obviously you're all invested in this,

627
00:27:40,874 --> 00:27:43,394
Speaker 1: don't care, don't you know? Pretend you're above it. So

628
00:27:43,514 --> 00:27:46,793
Speaker 1: the Matthew Coromer thing is not completely unexpected. This is

629
00:27:46,794 --> 00:27:48,794
Speaker 1: why I follow him on Insta, Like, yes, you follow

630
00:27:48,834 --> 00:27:51,474
Speaker 1: him on install? Who is this man? No? I followed

631
00:27:51,554 --> 00:27:53,914
Speaker 1: him for a long time because of shit like this. Yes,

632
00:27:53,954 --> 00:27:56,154
Speaker 1: he has some great songs. He's a very talented musician,

633
00:27:56,234 --> 00:27:59,274
Speaker 1: and he and Hillary have like collaborated on like her

634
00:27:59,314 --> 00:28:01,754
Speaker 1: recent music and stuff. But mostly I follow him for

635
00:28:01,794 --> 00:28:05,234
Speaker 1: his rogue Instagram posting because he'll just like share things

636
00:28:05,314 --> 00:28:08,714
Speaker 1: other celebrities. He'll share thingsbere they're life. He's a funny poster, okay,

637
00:28:08,794 --> 00:28:10,954
Speaker 1: but also this is not his normal kind of light,

638
00:28:11,074 --> 00:28:15,513
Speaker 1: funny fair while he's either like lightly roasting people who

639
00:28:15,674 --> 00:28:18,834
Speaker 1: are like some shitty celebrities who everyone's like that guy's

640
00:28:18,874 --> 00:28:21,273
Speaker 1: a jerk, and he'll like roast them on his Instagram,

641
00:28:21,394 --> 00:28:24,234
Speaker 1: or he'll like roast his friends and family members and

642
00:28:24,314 --> 00:28:26,634
Speaker 1: he does it like lightly to Hillary sometimes. But they're

643
00:28:26,674 --> 00:28:28,954
Speaker 1: like super cute. They had like a beautiful love story

644
00:28:28,954 --> 00:28:31,714
Speaker 1: where they and he made her this book to propose,

645
00:28:31,794 --> 00:28:33,634
Speaker 1: like there was like a story of their life and

646
00:28:33,714 --> 00:28:36,034
Speaker 1: like they have three daughters together, and we.

647
00:28:35,954 --> 00:28:39,634
Speaker 2: Saw the proposal right like paparazzi photos yeah yeah.

648
00:28:39,554 --> 00:28:42,234
Speaker 1: Yeah, and stuff, and they had like that chic wedding

649
00:28:42,474 --> 00:28:44,874
Speaker 1: where she wore the gold jumpsuit and stuff. Like it's

650
00:28:44,874 --> 00:28:47,394
Speaker 1: all they're all very cute together. Like he also re

651
00:28:47,434 --> 00:28:49,274
Speaker 1: shared Jacob e LORDI saying that he used to have

652
00:28:49,274 --> 00:28:51,434
Speaker 1: a crush on Hillary Duff and he's like, hey, man,

653
00:28:51,474 --> 00:28:52,954
Speaker 1: the kids need to be picked up at two forty

654
00:28:52,954 --> 00:28:54,834
Speaker 1: five and our dog just a giant shit in the

655
00:28:54,874 --> 00:28:57,114
Speaker 1: shower if you can get over right now, and sought

656
00:28:57,194 --> 00:28:59,234
Speaker 1: that out. So but I feel like this wasn't just

657
00:28:59,274 --> 00:29:02,074
Speaker 1: like the light room. It was a full dig, yeah, exactly.

658
00:29:02,114 --> 00:29:03,634
Speaker 1: And it just made me think that there's so many

659
00:29:03,714 --> 00:29:06,114
Speaker 1: layers to this situation, especially where he's like the most

660
00:29:06,154 --> 00:29:08,594
Speaker 1: tone deaf person ever, and then the women in the

661
00:29:08,634 --> 00:29:11,474
Speaker 1: group had to focus on the actual toddlers. And I'm

662
00:29:11,474 --> 00:29:14,354
Speaker 1: sure that's about a lot of different instances, but one

663
00:29:14,394 --> 00:29:16,274
Speaker 1: thing that comes to mind that it could be about

664
00:29:16,754 --> 00:29:20,394
Speaker 1: is that when the La fires happened last year, Mandy

665
00:29:20,434 --> 00:29:23,154
Speaker 1: Moore's home burnt down and so her and her family,

666
00:29:23,154 --> 00:29:24,874
Speaker 1: her three kids and her husband went and stayed with

667
00:29:24,954 --> 00:29:27,714
Speaker 1: Hillary Duff and a lot of the people in their

668
00:29:27,754 --> 00:29:30,354
Speaker 1: circle all lost their homes. And at the same time,

669
00:29:30,434 --> 00:29:33,434
Speaker 1: Ashley Tisdale was posting about building a second home and

670
00:29:33,474 --> 00:29:35,674
Speaker 1: like her interior design and stuff. I mean, I don't know.

671
00:29:35,714 --> 00:29:37,714
Speaker 1: The thing is I've learned about knowing people in the

672
00:29:37,754 --> 00:29:39,834
Speaker 1: public eye is that there's always more to the story

673
00:29:39,834 --> 00:29:41,874
Speaker 1: than what you see online and what the discourse is.

674
00:29:41,994 --> 00:29:44,994
Speaker 2: But also even if it wasn't Mandy Moore, like that

675
00:29:45,074 --> 00:29:49,434
Speaker 2: whole time was worldwide news, like so many people losing

676
00:29:49,514 --> 00:29:52,234
Speaker 2: their homes, not just celebrities, Like, yeah, people losing their homes.

677
00:29:52,794 --> 00:29:54,914
Speaker 2: And then even if that was just happening in general

678
00:29:54,954 --> 00:29:58,474
Speaker 2: and you're posting about making up your second home, yeah,

679
00:29:58,554 --> 00:29:59,474
Speaker 2: that's probably not that time.

680
00:29:59,514 --> 00:30:01,274
Speaker 1: It's like take a moment, just got off Instagram, prove

681
00:30:01,314 --> 00:30:03,954
Speaker 1: it so that all happened. And now like a few

682
00:30:03,954 --> 00:30:05,834
Speaker 1: different people have come out in the woodwork, like a

683
00:30:05,834 --> 00:30:07,834
Speaker 1: lot of people are sharing stores or is that Ashley

684
00:30:07,874 --> 00:30:10,994
Speaker 1: Tisdale and talking about she's been We served her once

685
00:30:11,034 --> 00:30:13,394
Speaker 1: and she was difficult. I worked with her here and

686
00:30:13,434 --> 00:30:15,634
Speaker 1: she was difficult. A lot of those people like more

687
00:30:15,674 --> 00:30:17,874
Speaker 1: anonymous accounts, so it's hard to know kind of like

688
00:30:17,914 --> 00:30:19,954
Speaker 1: if they're just jumping on the bandwagon and like actually

689
00:30:20,034 --> 00:30:22,874
Speaker 1: had these experiences with her. But then test holiday, you know,

690
00:30:22,914 --> 00:30:26,314
Speaker 1: the well known like model and activist and everything put

691
00:30:26,314 --> 00:30:28,554
Speaker 1: on threads that she said I did a job with

692
00:30:28,634 --> 00:30:31,194
Speaker 1: Ashley Tisdale two years ago, and I would have kicked

693
00:30:31,194 --> 00:30:33,594
Speaker 1: her out of the friendship group as well, and I

694
00:30:33,714 --> 00:30:37,594
Speaker 1: was like, well, something big must have happened for her

695
00:30:37,594 --> 00:30:39,114
Speaker 1: to wait, because she doesn't usually just weigh in on

696
00:30:39,154 --> 00:30:42,114
Speaker 1: stuff like that unless she's had a personal experience. And

697
00:30:42,154 --> 00:30:44,354
Speaker 1: I was like, what did Ashley Tisdale do on that job?

698
00:30:44,394 --> 00:30:47,314
Speaker 1: To you that's made you think I would never be

699
00:30:47,354 --> 00:30:47,954
Speaker 1: friends with her.

700
00:30:48,234 --> 00:30:51,914
Speaker 2: It's hard when like other celebrities and even anonymous people

701
00:30:52,154 --> 00:30:54,834
Speaker 2: like jump in on it, because I feel like that's

702
00:30:54,834 --> 00:30:57,874
Speaker 2: where it becomes like a malicious pylon. Like I think

703
00:30:58,234 --> 00:31:03,754
Speaker 2: after the Instagram story that Matthew made is not his name,

704
00:31:04,194 --> 00:31:07,034
Speaker 2: his name is Matthew. Yes, that Matthew made. I feel

705
00:31:07,034 --> 00:31:09,874
Speaker 2: like the best type of like fun celebrity feud is

706
00:31:09,874 --> 00:31:12,034
Speaker 2: when it ends there and then you're just and then

707
00:31:12,074 --> 00:31:14,394
Speaker 2: you just have to speculate. But then when it becomes

708
00:31:14,394 --> 00:31:16,954
Speaker 2: like other people giving in their two cents of like

709
00:31:17,034 --> 00:31:20,114
Speaker 2: things that aren't related at all, it's just I feel

710
00:31:20,114 --> 00:31:21,794
Speaker 2: like it just becomes really scary.

711
00:31:21,954 --> 00:31:22,154
Speaker 1: Yeah.

712
00:31:22,274 --> 00:31:24,354
Speaker 2: And also these are moms, like, these are moms of

713
00:31:24,394 --> 00:31:25,234
Speaker 2: like young kids.

714
00:31:25,474 --> 00:31:27,714
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now it's getting into all everyone posting all

715
00:31:27,714 --> 00:31:29,394
Speaker 1: their theories and things. Do you know what I did

716
00:31:29,434 --> 00:31:34,154
Speaker 1: find interesting? What is that Hailey Duff? I love Hillary.

717
00:31:33,954 --> 00:31:36,874
Speaker 2: Duff's sister, I love her liked the.

718
00:31:36,874 --> 00:31:40,154
Speaker 1: Cut story so like the toxic Mum's story on the

719
00:31:40,194 --> 00:31:43,714
Speaker 1: cuts page actually does tell story, yeah, which I think

720
00:31:43,834 --> 00:31:46,474
Speaker 1: is very So you know about their feud right Wait?

721
00:31:46,954 --> 00:31:49,794
Speaker 1: Hillary and Hailey Duff's food, they're feuding? Oh my, are

722
00:31:49,794 --> 00:31:52,394
Speaker 1: you serious? Maybe we did talk about it. We I

723
00:31:52,434 --> 00:31:52,834
Speaker 1: think no.

724
00:31:53,274 --> 00:31:56,794
Speaker 2: I love Material Girls, It's my favorite movie.

725
00:31:57,074 --> 00:31:58,634
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear it. Sorry, sometimes we have

726
00:31:58,674 --> 00:31:59,354
Speaker 1: to hear hard things.

727
00:31:59,394 --> 00:32:01,074
Speaker 2: And they were so good when they would sing together.

728
00:32:01,314 --> 00:32:04,314
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, they haven't liked each other's posts in nearly

729
00:32:04,394 --> 00:32:08,154
Speaker 1: six years. Crazy than that, that's the everyone's like, Haley

730
00:32:08,194 --> 00:32:10,994
Speaker 1: hasn't liked to post on Hillary's Instagram for like over

731
00:32:11,034 --> 00:32:13,194
Speaker 1: six years, but she liked the cut post as soon

732
00:32:13,194 --> 00:32:16,194
Speaker 1: as it went up. And they haven't been pictured together

733
00:32:16,234 --> 00:32:20,554
Speaker 1: in many many years. She wasn't pitched at Hillary's wedding. Well, yeah,

734
00:32:20,594 --> 00:32:23,314
Speaker 1: so it's this whole kind of if you look at

735
00:32:23,354 --> 00:32:26,034
Speaker 1: all the evidence, and when it came out that that

736
00:32:26,114 --> 00:32:27,954
Speaker 1: had happened, they kind of quickly jumped on and liked

737
00:32:27,994 --> 00:32:30,834
Speaker 1: a few of each other's posts, but nothing since then.

738
00:32:30,954 --> 00:32:33,194
Speaker 1: That was many years ago, so, and they used to

739
00:32:33,194 --> 00:32:35,994
Speaker 1: be pictured together all the time, Like, yes, Hailey moved

740
00:32:36,074 --> 00:32:38,114
Speaker 1: to Texas, so she doesn't live in LA anymore.

741
00:32:38,154 --> 00:32:41,234
Speaker 2: But still, that's not like they were really close so close.

742
00:32:41,314 --> 00:32:43,314
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't just like all of a sudden like

743
00:32:43,554 --> 00:32:46,514
Speaker 1: they were like twins to such like nearly a decade. Yeah.

744
00:32:46,554 --> 00:32:48,394
Speaker 1: And I thought the fact that she liked that cut

745
00:32:48,514 --> 00:32:51,514
Speaker 1: article with Ashley Tisdale talking about the Toxic Mum group

746
00:32:51,594 --> 00:32:53,714
Speaker 1: was kind of very telling about whose side she was

747
00:32:53,754 --> 00:32:57,314
Speaker 1: on and the fact that she knew exactly what Ashley

748
00:32:57,394 --> 00:32:59,114
Speaker 1: was talking about the moment it was posted.

749
00:32:59,554 --> 00:33:02,954
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I can't believe you didn't tell me

750
00:33:02,994 --> 00:33:03,954
Speaker 2: this before the recording.

751
00:33:04,514 --> 00:33:07,554
Speaker 1: I just thought you kind of knew. She made me

752
00:33:07,634 --> 00:33:09,434
Speaker 1: really sad. What do you think? This was not even

753
00:33:09,474 --> 00:33:11,314
Speaker 1: my fair feud? Oh no, I'm so sorry to wear

754
00:33:11,354 --> 00:33:12,914
Speaker 1: on your favorite feud for you. What do you think

755
00:33:12,954 --> 00:33:15,634
Speaker 1: about the husband's taking the lead on the back and forth?

756
00:33:15,674 --> 00:33:18,514
Speaker 1: I think, shut up? Really? Yeah you don't think, because

757
00:33:18,514 --> 00:33:18,994
Speaker 1: I was thinking.

758
00:33:19,194 --> 00:33:21,354
Speaker 2: I think they saw this opportunity as their like five

759
00:33:21,394 --> 00:33:24,074
Speaker 2: seconds to fame, and they ran with it.

760
00:33:24,114 --> 00:33:26,474
Speaker 1: People in their own right, obviously not as famous as them. Yeah,

761
00:33:26,474 --> 00:33:29,154
Speaker 1: but like, stay out of it. It's not about you, Okay. Yeah,

762
00:33:29,154 --> 00:33:30,794
Speaker 1: I was interesting because I was going back and forth

763
00:33:30,794 --> 00:33:33,874
Speaker 1: on the Matthew Comer one. I'm like, is it because

764
00:33:33,874 --> 00:33:37,274
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about this, is it lovely and romantic

765
00:33:37,714 --> 00:33:40,114
Speaker 1: that you would just go to bat for your wife

766
00:33:40,154 --> 00:33:42,714
Speaker 1: in such a public way that you would just be like,

767
00:33:42,754 --> 00:33:44,314
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna do way too.

768
00:33:44,394 --> 00:33:47,474
Speaker 2: Because he didn't like she didn't name her, no, but.

769
00:33:47,474 --> 00:33:49,434
Speaker 1: Everyone knew it was her. And also because she's the

770
00:33:49,434 --> 00:33:51,754
Speaker 1: most famous one in that group, she's become the face

771
00:33:51,794 --> 00:33:55,154
Speaker 1: of it, Like we're saying that Ashley Tisdell Hailey Duff feud,

772
00:33:55,154 --> 00:33:57,834
Speaker 1: but there's about twelve women in that mum's group, but

773
00:33:58,034 --> 00:34:00,474
Speaker 1: she's become the face of it, so she's been pulled

774
00:34:00,474 --> 00:34:03,234
Speaker 1: into it. So and people are now like, before this

775
00:34:03,274 --> 00:34:05,274
Speaker 1: whole thing happened, like everyone was like, is Hillary Duff

776
00:34:05,274 --> 00:34:06,874
Speaker 1: and me? And oh my god, I never thought that

777
00:34:07,234 --> 00:34:09,474
Speaker 1: is Hillary Duff the toxic one? Like that was the conversation.

778
00:34:09,594 --> 00:34:11,754
Speaker 1: So part of me is like, is it romantic for

779
00:34:11,834 --> 00:34:14,194
Speaker 1: your husband to jump in and go so far up

780
00:34:14,234 --> 00:34:16,834
Speaker 1: to the mat for you and kind of but do

781
00:34:16,874 --> 00:34:18,994
Speaker 1: it in a really funny way that just made people

782
00:34:19,074 --> 00:34:21,674
Speaker 1: like you more as a couple, or as you're saying,

783
00:34:21,874 --> 00:34:23,754
Speaker 1: is it a bit cringe to have your husband like

784
00:34:23,954 --> 00:34:25,954
Speaker 1: having a back and forth in such a public way.

785
00:34:26,194 --> 00:34:28,834
Speaker 1: And the same for Christopher French actually Tisdale, Yeah, same

786
00:34:28,914 --> 00:34:31,873
Speaker 1: for him, like him posting all his cryptic like a

787
00:34:32,194 --> 00:34:34,514
Speaker 1: weird seventeen year old girl on tumbler posting all his

788
00:34:34,634 --> 00:34:37,194
Speaker 1: quip cryptic kind of like no one has time for

789
00:34:37,274 --> 00:34:39,873
Speaker 1: this rise above r when it's clearly so about this.

790
00:34:40,474 --> 00:34:43,674
Speaker 1: Is that romantic that he's and he's like also has

791
00:34:43,674 --> 00:34:45,234
Speaker 1: written a thing saying I'm so proud of you for

792
00:34:45,274 --> 00:34:48,433
Speaker 1: writing this. Is that romantic? Like you just expect your

793
00:34:48,474 --> 00:34:50,354
Speaker 1: husband to do that? Or is it a bit cringe?

794
00:34:50,434 --> 00:34:53,433
Speaker 2: I think it's cringe because if they really wanted to

795
00:34:53,874 --> 00:34:56,473
Speaker 2: do something about it, they would have done something that

796
00:34:56,554 --> 00:34:59,194
Speaker 2: would have prevented this whole thing from essentially happening.

797
00:34:59,314 --> 00:35:01,274
Speaker 1: Oh you think that Christopher French should have been like, hey, babe,

798
00:35:01,274 --> 00:35:01,754
Speaker 1: don't write this.

799
00:35:01,834 --> 00:35:03,714
Speaker 2: I think she would have been like hey, because like

800
00:35:03,754 --> 00:35:05,794
Speaker 2: she did it for the blog, and I think they

801
00:35:05,874 --> 00:35:08,154
Speaker 2: probably would have had a converse about like how it

802
00:35:08,194 --> 00:35:10,114
Speaker 2: should have been written, what should have been put out there,

803
00:35:10,154 --> 00:35:13,634
Speaker 2: because also while she's doing that, you're also talking about

804
00:35:13,634 --> 00:35:16,873
Speaker 2: your kids inadvertently, right, and other people's kids, and I

805
00:35:16,914 --> 00:35:20,594
Speaker 2: think mum groups in particular can be so complicated, and

806
00:35:20,634 --> 00:35:22,754
Speaker 2: I've heard so many stories from my friends who are

807
00:35:22,914 --> 00:35:26,674
Speaker 2: in mum groups about friendships breaking down, not being able

808
00:35:26,714 --> 00:35:28,554
Speaker 2: to be in the same group, like having your second

809
00:35:28,634 --> 00:35:29,594
Speaker 2: kids at different.

810
00:35:29,314 --> 00:35:30,754
Speaker 1: Times so then you get kicked out.

811
00:35:30,914 --> 00:35:32,754
Speaker 2: Like kind of what she was saying in that essay

812
00:35:32,874 --> 00:35:35,194
Speaker 2: I found so believable because these are the stories I've

813
00:35:35,234 --> 00:35:37,674
Speaker 2: also heard from my friends, and it sounded like just

814
00:35:37,874 --> 00:35:40,074
Speaker 2: something that she just wanted to get off her chest,

815
00:35:40,714 --> 00:35:44,554
Speaker 2: and now it's turned into this really like malicious, weird

816
00:35:44,914 --> 00:35:47,714
Speaker 2: like even Matthew Comer's post like if you really wanted

817
00:35:47,714 --> 00:35:49,993
Speaker 2: to bat for your wife, don't take the piss out

818
00:35:49,994 --> 00:35:52,554
Speaker 2: of it, like treated as something serious and she's actually

819
00:35:52,794 --> 00:35:54,234
Speaker 2: dealing with something serious.

820
00:35:53,874 --> 00:35:56,114
Speaker 1: As like funny as his post was, because it was funny,

821
00:35:56,154 --> 00:35:58,474
Speaker 1: but it's also so brutal and cutting.

822
00:35:58,714 --> 00:36:00,834
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also like you don't know, man, you don't

823
00:36:00,874 --> 00:36:02,393
Speaker 2: know what it's like to be in a mum's group,

824
00:36:02,914 --> 00:36:03,554
Speaker 2: so shut up.

825
00:36:04,074 --> 00:36:06,154
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, yeah, that's a fair take, because that's

826
00:36:06,154 --> 00:36:08,074
Speaker 1: when he was saying that she was the toxic one

827
00:36:08,114 --> 00:36:11,034
Speaker 1: and she was so tone death and he also was

828
00:36:11,234 --> 00:36:14,034
Speaker 1: likening her behavior to a toddler and saying like the

829
00:36:14,074 --> 00:36:15,714
Speaker 1: moms in the group had to go deal with their

830
00:36:15,754 --> 00:36:18,594
Speaker 1: actual toddlers. They couldn't deal with your toddler behavior like

831
00:36:18,634 --> 00:36:22,553
Speaker 1: it is so cussing. If Hillary duft in it though, yeah,

832
00:36:22,754 --> 00:36:24,674
Speaker 1: would you find that funny? So funny?

833
00:36:24,754 --> 00:36:28,554
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love that it had been her boy photoshop

834
00:36:28,594 --> 00:36:31,114
Speaker 2: and actually keep the husband's out of it. I don't

835
00:36:31,114 --> 00:36:32,953
Speaker 2: care about them, Yes, I don't want to hear from

836
00:36:33,034 --> 00:36:34,993
Speaker 2: them a man talking about a mum's group.

837
00:36:35,034 --> 00:36:37,394
Speaker 1: No, I don't know about a man in general talking. No,

838
00:36:37,754 --> 00:36:41,393
Speaker 1: leave that behind t Can I just say I have

839
00:36:41,514 --> 00:36:43,154
Speaker 1: I know this is very tordry of me, and I

840
00:36:43,194 --> 00:36:45,754
Speaker 1: do hope everyone's okay, because I know that there's obviously

841
00:36:45,834 --> 00:36:47,393
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, things happening behind the scenes

842
00:36:47,394 --> 00:36:49,473
Speaker 1: if everyone's very upset. But you know what, I'd love

843
00:36:49,514 --> 00:36:51,714
Speaker 1: to be right now in the group chat of the moms.

844
00:36:52,874 --> 00:36:57,514
Speaker 1: Can you imagine Can you imagine the group chat that

845
00:36:57,554 --> 00:36:58,114
Speaker 1: they have.

846
00:36:58,194 --> 00:37:01,074
Speaker 2: In between of them like photographing their toddlers like pe

847
00:37:01,194 --> 00:37:01,794
Speaker 2: and poop to.

848
00:37:01,754 --> 00:37:06,993
Speaker 1: Ask it's normal, it's like bathroom shop, bathroom shop, bathroom shot.

849
00:37:07,274 --> 00:37:11,994
Speaker 1: Actually Tisdell's cover up bathroom John And can you imagine

850
00:37:12,114 --> 00:37:14,594
Speaker 1: what's happening in there right now? Oh my god, how

851
00:37:14,634 --> 00:37:17,473
Speaker 1: do we get in that? How someone hacked the main frame?

852
00:37:17,914 --> 00:37:19,714
Speaker 1: I say, one of us has to get pregnant, but

853
00:37:19,754 --> 00:37:21,754
Speaker 1: we also have to go get the die machine to

854
00:37:21,874 --> 00:37:23,913
Speaker 1: go back and have the baby at the same time.

855
00:37:24,034 --> 00:37:26,553
Speaker 1: Message Mandy more. Hey, so I'm looking for a mom's group.

856
00:37:26,914 --> 00:37:29,834
Speaker 1: Any availability. I love to get on yours. I also

857
00:37:29,914 --> 00:37:33,834
Speaker 1: love to wear matching up fits and frolic in the backyard.

858
00:37:34,434 --> 00:37:37,274
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it does. I mean it's interesting,

859
00:37:37,394 --> 00:37:39,234
Speaker 1: Like it does feel like it's kind of slowing down

860
00:37:39,354 --> 00:37:40,913
Speaker 1: a little bit now, maybe.

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Speaker 2: Like it's just getting really mean now, Like it's lest

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Speaker 2: funny and more mean.

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Speaker 1: But it's interesting that there's almost a clear winner out

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Speaker 1: of this, and it's not Ashley Tisdale. People don't like

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Speaker 1: her because she has been very open about the fact

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Speaker 1: that this year she was having a reset. First of all,

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Speaker 1: she wanted to go by her married name, Ashley French.

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Speaker 1: She said, she's been Ashley French for a long time. Now,

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Speaker 1: you know, they've been married for a long time. They've

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Speaker 1: got two daughters. So she wanted to rebrand herself as

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Speaker 1: like not Ashley Tisdale, Disney style, like Ashley French Mom.

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Speaker 1: She's turned forty, she runs a business like she really

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Speaker 1: wanted to rebrand, and I think this was part of

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Speaker 1: her rebrand, to make herself this very kind of like

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Speaker 1: adult businesswoman and start this new decade of her life

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Speaker 1: in a new way and everyone to see her in

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Speaker 1: a different way. Like I truly believe when she talked

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Speaker 1: about the rebrand like this essay was part of it,

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Speaker 1: to be even someone who writes essays like this and everything.

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Speaker 1: And then I think it is just backfired an extreme way,

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Speaker 1: and it's gone back into this old school Disney few

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Speaker 1: and it's just made people rally around Hillary Duff and

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Speaker 1: Mandy Moore even more. And also Matthew Comer's SmackDown has

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Speaker 1: also kind of placed her on the back foot and

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Speaker 1: there's nothing she can really do. Now she comes out

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Speaker 1: swinging again, she's gonna look worse. So now she has

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Speaker 1: to lay low and wait for it to pass. But

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Speaker 1: I do think it was it was meant to be

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Speaker 1: like a brand move for her, and it's backfired in

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Speaker 1: a huge way.

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Speaker 2: So crazy, But I do love her writing style though,

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Speaker 2: Oh that's less you should I think she's a good writer.

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Speaker 1: I think you should drop a DM. I think she's

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Speaker 1: probably looking for some lovely positive reinforcement right now. She'd

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Speaker 1: love to hear it.

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