1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:10,914 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mom with mea podcast. 2 00:00:14,434 --> 00:00:17,393 Speaker 2: Hi friends, it's Chelsea Boy Here. At this time of 3 00:00:17,393 --> 00:00:19,554 Speaker 2: the year, it's easy to get a bit fashion fatigue, 4 00:00:19,594 --> 00:00:22,233 Speaker 2: so we wanted to bring back a really useful chat 5 00:00:22,274 --> 00:00:25,594 Speaker 2: all about finding and kneeling your personal style. Lee is 6 00:00:25,634 --> 00:00:28,994 Speaker 2: joined by the incredible Penelope Katzo to decode the secret 7 00:00:28,994 --> 00:00:32,714 Speaker 2: to effortless style. With two decades of expertise, Penelope shares 8 00:00:32,754 --> 00:00:35,394 Speaker 2: her ultimate guide to curating a wardrobe that boosts your 9 00:00:35,434 --> 00:00:38,233 Speaker 2: confidence and makes getting dressed a breeze. So let's get 10 00:00:38,234 --> 00:00:38,633 Speaker 2: into it. 11 00:00:41,114 --> 00:00:43,953 Speaker 3: Whoever said orange is a new pink with seriously disturbed 12 00:00:44,114 --> 00:00:46,473 Speaker 3: laurels for spraying groundbreaking? 13 00:00:46,754 --> 00:00:48,114 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you have. 14 00:00:48,034 --> 00:00:49,833 Speaker 2: To do it. You live for fashion. 15 00:00:51,473 --> 00:00:54,434 Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that 16 00:00:54,514 --> 00:00:58,273 Speaker 3: solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee 17 00:00:58,434 --> 00:01:01,514 Speaker 3: Campbell when every week I chat to an expert who 18 00:01:01,554 --> 00:01:03,674 Speaker 3: helps us work out how to get more out of 19 00:01:03,714 --> 00:01:06,514 Speaker 3: the clothes we already own and tells us exactly what 20 00:01:06,714 --> 00:01:10,354 Speaker 3: is and isn't worth adding to our wardrobe. Personal style 21 00:01:10,594 --> 00:01:14,674 Speaker 3: is an interesting phrase. What even is personal style? It 22 00:01:14,754 --> 00:01:18,954 Speaker 3: can feel overwhelming and like an aspirational goal rather than 23 00:01:18,994 --> 00:01:22,394 Speaker 3: something achievable. Within our own wardrobe. But today's guest is 24 00:01:22,434 --> 00:01:25,274 Speaker 3: able to break down the formula for finding our personal 25 00:01:25,314 --> 00:01:30,634 Speaker 3: style and in a surprisingly simple way. Penelope Cadzo has 26 00:01:30,674 --> 00:01:34,114 Speaker 3: over twenty years of experience in the fashion industry, sharing 27 00:01:34,234 --> 00:01:37,234 Speaker 3: expert style and shopping tips to help women shop with 28 00:01:37,314 --> 00:01:40,554 Speaker 3: confidence and build a wardrobe they love. And that's what 29 00:01:40,634 --> 00:01:44,074 Speaker 3: this show is all about. She even says shopping is 30 00:01:44,114 --> 00:01:48,234 Speaker 3: her cardio. So firstly, Penelope, welcome to the show. Secondly, 31 00:01:48,394 --> 00:01:49,394 Speaker 3: may I call you Penny? 32 00:01:49,554 --> 00:01:52,714 Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, Penelope is a work name, is a business name. 33 00:01:52,754 --> 00:01:54,514 Speaker 1: But yeah, I always when I meet people, I always say, 34 00:01:54,514 --> 00:01:55,154 Speaker 1: please call me Pepy. 35 00:01:55,194 --> 00:01:57,434 Speaker 3: Well, we're fashion friends. Now, look, I start the show 36 00:01:57,434 --> 00:01:59,834 Speaker 3: with the same questions before we jump into the topics. 37 00:01:59,994 --> 00:02:03,434 Speaker 3: So can you, my friend Penny, describe your style in 38 00:02:03,514 --> 00:02:04,634 Speaker 3: three words? 39 00:02:04,954 --> 00:02:07,474 Speaker 1: After working in fashion for over twenty years, I did 40 00:02:07,594 --> 00:02:09,793 Speaker 1: consult with some fashion girlfriends that I used to work 41 00:02:09,834 --> 00:02:12,393 Speaker 1: with and said to them, like, help me. What did 42 00:02:12,474 --> 00:02:14,754 Speaker 1: so hard to narrow down to three? But I actually 43 00:02:15,073 --> 00:02:19,394 Speaker 1: came up with their help. Hi, Lo, I genuinely always 44 00:02:19,834 --> 00:02:23,274 Speaker 1: love to dress a bit of something that might be 45 00:02:23,314 --> 00:02:25,354 Speaker 1: an investment piece back with some fat vines. 46 00:02:25,634 --> 00:02:27,754 Speaker 3: Love it, I'm saying my shoes today have five. 47 00:02:29,074 --> 00:02:31,594 Speaker 1: And I do think that you can make affordable pieces 48 00:02:31,754 --> 00:02:34,794 Speaker 1: look fabulous by just adding in that investment piece. 49 00:02:34,834 --> 00:02:35,234 Speaker 3: Agreed. 50 00:02:35,354 --> 00:02:38,434 Speaker 1: Second one would be cool casuals. So I've found after 51 00:02:38,474 --> 00:02:41,913 Speaker 1: working with clients for years going into wardrobes women sort 52 00:02:41,954 --> 00:02:44,874 Speaker 1: of between anywhere from thirty five to sixty five, that 53 00:02:45,514 --> 00:02:48,794 Speaker 1: they find it hard to find that in between, in 54 00:02:48,834 --> 00:02:52,514 Speaker 1: between corporate life to mumlife. Casual can just be a 55 00:02:52,514 --> 00:02:55,794 Speaker 1: bit like you know whatever. Now casual is like cool 56 00:02:55,794 --> 00:02:57,994 Speaker 1: trousers with a great T shirt and sneakers, add a 57 00:02:58,034 --> 00:03:00,634 Speaker 1: blazer or jeans, put a heel with it, but just 58 00:03:00,634 --> 00:03:01,474 Speaker 1: a basic tops. 59 00:03:01,554 --> 00:03:03,354 Speaker 3: So and you do that very well, and we're going 60 00:03:03,394 --> 00:03:07,674 Speaker 3: to talk about that more. Yeah, in between triangle of 61 00:03:08,234 --> 00:03:10,874 Speaker 3: where all our styles gone missing? What's your third word? 62 00:03:10,994 --> 00:03:15,074 Speaker 1: So my third word is considered And this one is 63 00:03:15,234 --> 00:03:17,554 Speaker 1: a little bit different. One of my girlfriends said, Oh, 64 00:03:17,594 --> 00:03:20,474 Speaker 1: you're always sort of effortless and casual and cool casual, 65 00:03:20,514 --> 00:03:23,114 Speaker 1: But I actually my outfits are considered. 66 00:03:23,594 --> 00:03:26,354 Speaker 3: Love it. Okay. Now, the next theory that we always 67 00:03:26,394 --> 00:03:28,434 Speaker 3: talk about at the start of the show, people have 68 00:03:28,474 --> 00:03:32,674 Speaker 3: a wardrobe full of clothes. It's the ninety theory that 69 00:03:32,714 --> 00:03:35,274 Speaker 3: we reach for a certain ten percent of everything we 70 00:03:35,314 --> 00:03:40,794 Speaker 3: own ninety percent of the time because it's how trusty items, accessory, shoes, whatever, 71 00:03:41,074 --> 00:03:43,034 Speaker 3: what's in your ten percent that you often reach for. 72 00:03:43,474 --> 00:03:49,034 Speaker 1: One hundred percent, go for Jean's a good top and blazer, 73 00:03:49,714 --> 00:03:52,594 Speaker 1: great sneakers. We're both wearing the exact sames I know exactly, 74 00:03:52,634 --> 00:03:55,154 Speaker 1: and of course and winter that's boots, yes, in summer 75 00:03:55,154 --> 00:03:58,154 Speaker 1: at sandals. In winter it's boots, jeans or your around. 76 00:03:58,194 --> 00:04:00,034 Speaker 1: I'll even wear them in summer with a tank and 77 00:04:00,074 --> 00:04:01,554 Speaker 1: I just throw on a blazer to feel great. 78 00:04:01,474 --> 00:04:04,794 Speaker 3: Love it. I think we could share a wardrobe. Now, listen, 79 00:04:04,874 --> 00:04:07,354 Speaker 3: your journey to becoming a starless is quite had an 80 00:04:07,434 --> 00:04:10,194 Speaker 3: interesting one. Can you take me back to the beginning 81 00:04:10,274 --> 00:04:12,714 Speaker 3: of how you got to hear and what you identified 82 00:04:12,714 --> 00:04:14,794 Speaker 3: on your own journey and how that could help women. 83 00:04:15,154 --> 00:04:17,833 Speaker 1: I worked in retailing fashion when I was in high school. 84 00:04:17,834 --> 00:04:20,234 Speaker 1: When I was at university, I studied fashion and I 85 00:04:20,274 --> 00:04:22,354 Speaker 1: went into work in fashion. I was in design for 86 00:04:22,394 --> 00:04:25,834 Speaker 1: many years. I worked for some great Australian companies and 87 00:04:25,914 --> 00:04:29,514 Speaker 1: brands like Oraton and Sportscraft. I worked in accessories, but 88 00:04:29,553 --> 00:04:32,714 Speaker 1: I always worked alongside the designers in fashion. Both men's 89 00:04:32,714 --> 00:04:35,113 Speaker 1: and women. So I got a very good understanding of 90 00:04:35,313 --> 00:04:38,553 Speaker 1: garment construction and fabrics, and I also traveled to suppliers 91 00:04:38,553 --> 00:04:41,153 Speaker 1: and got to see how things were made. So when 92 00:04:41,433 --> 00:04:45,913 Speaker 1: I eventually was married, we moved overseas, my husband worked overseas. 93 00:04:45,914 --> 00:04:48,354 Speaker 1: I had my first baby, and I stepped back from 94 00:04:48,354 --> 00:04:51,553 Speaker 1: that sort of work lifestyle and obviously launched into motherhood. 95 00:04:51,594 --> 00:04:53,593 Speaker 1: And I still had my foot in the door with 96 00:04:53,633 --> 00:04:55,753 Speaker 1: a couple of little things that I was doing, consulting 97 00:04:55,794 --> 00:04:58,833 Speaker 1: and things like that. But I just found that I 98 00:04:58,953 --> 00:05:01,194 Speaker 1: missed it so much. And I know that this is 99 00:05:01,193 --> 00:05:03,674 Speaker 1: a conversation with parents and mothers. All the time I 100 00:05:03,794 --> 00:05:06,393 Speaker 1: missed working, I missed that passion. I wake up to 101 00:05:06,433 --> 00:05:08,633 Speaker 1: clothing and I go bit to fashion and clothing and 102 00:05:08,633 --> 00:05:10,674 Speaker 1: pecking about it. I just I can't help, but that's me. 103 00:05:11,513 --> 00:05:14,193 Speaker 1: So I just found that once we moved back to Australia, 104 00:05:14,393 --> 00:05:16,154 Speaker 1: I had my second and I actually did go back 105 00:05:16,154 --> 00:05:17,834 Speaker 1: to work in the industry, which I loved, but I 106 00:05:17,873 --> 00:05:20,914 Speaker 1: found it such a juggle, juggling daycare, my eldest start 107 00:05:20,914 --> 00:05:22,394 Speaker 1: at school, and then I found out I was pregnant 108 00:05:22,433 --> 00:05:25,113 Speaker 1: with my third and that was a real surprise, and 109 00:05:25,154 --> 00:05:27,274 Speaker 1: I knew once I had a third I wasn't going 110 00:05:27,313 --> 00:05:28,674 Speaker 1: to be going back to that. I knew that it 111 00:05:28,714 --> 00:05:31,914 Speaker 1: wouldn't financially wouldn't work either. And I'm the one that's 112 00:05:31,914 --> 00:05:33,474 Speaker 1: on call. I'm the one that gets a phone call 113 00:05:33,474 --> 00:05:35,993 Speaker 1: from daycare. So my girlfriends sort of said to me 114 00:05:36,113 --> 00:05:38,593 Speaker 1: when my daughter was about six months old, I was 115 00:05:38,633 --> 00:05:42,313 Speaker 1: in the debt and I literally just felt pretty lost. 116 00:05:42,794 --> 00:05:45,753 Speaker 1: I felt there wasn't that work site. I stepped back completely. 117 00:05:45,834 --> 00:05:48,553 Speaker 1: I wasn't doing any consulting or anything part time. She goes, 118 00:05:48,873 --> 00:05:51,873 Speaker 1: just wear your good clothes, just wear good stuff, and 119 00:05:51,914 --> 00:05:52,873 Speaker 1: she's some I worked with it. 120 00:05:52,914 --> 00:05:55,474 Speaker 3: You had lost your own in fashion, but had you 121 00:05:55,513 --> 00:05:57,234 Speaker 3: lost your own style in the trenches of motherhood? 122 00:05:57,234 --> 00:06:00,113 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I'd gone to that really really casual style. 123 00:06:00,193 --> 00:06:03,034 Speaker 1: So when I say cool casual, I'd gone into that genuinely, like. 124 00:06:03,633 --> 00:06:06,593 Speaker 3: Really case so so so maybe no call it. 125 00:06:06,753 --> 00:06:09,194 Speaker 1: Really And you know what, there was no difference between 126 00:06:09,234 --> 00:06:12,034 Speaker 1: week day to weekend. It was all blending in seven 127 00:06:12,073 --> 00:06:15,153 Speaker 1: days a week. Motherhood is seven days a week, and. 128 00:06:15,234 --> 00:06:17,194 Speaker 3: I think that happens to a lot of us. And 129 00:06:17,193 --> 00:06:19,914 Speaker 3: that's okay. But if you are feeling a bit blah 130 00:06:19,953 --> 00:06:22,153 Speaker 3: and you're so into fashion and that was who you 131 00:06:22,193 --> 00:06:23,474 Speaker 3: were before I get that. 132 00:06:23,633 --> 00:06:25,273 Speaker 1: I was just in jeans and a T shirt and 133 00:06:25,354 --> 00:06:28,274 Speaker 1: active wear. And that's not a bad thing, but it 134 00:06:28,393 --> 00:06:31,193 Speaker 1: definitely someone coming from fashion that you know, that's my industry. 135 00:06:31,633 --> 00:06:34,433 Speaker 1: I really missed it. So she said put on your 136 00:06:34,513 --> 00:06:37,553 Speaker 1: nice things and just get out. It was great and 137 00:06:37,594 --> 00:06:39,274 Speaker 1: it was a really nice bit of advice. She goes, 138 00:06:39,313 --> 00:06:41,074 Speaker 1: done an Instagram account. I go, no, one's going to 139 00:06:41,113 --> 00:06:43,393 Speaker 1: follow me, and she goes, well, I will, And I'm 140 00:06:43,393 --> 00:06:45,474 Speaker 1: not joking. That's how it started. And literally the next 141 00:06:45,553 --> 00:06:46,993 Speaker 1: day and I woke up and I put on a 142 00:06:46,993 --> 00:06:48,714 Speaker 1: black Maxid dress, which is one of the things I 143 00:06:48,714 --> 00:06:50,914 Speaker 1: always say is a go to for summer. And I 144 00:06:50,953 --> 00:06:52,674 Speaker 1: remember at school pick I've had the PRAM with me. 145 00:06:53,113 --> 00:06:54,993 Speaker 1: This lady came up. She said, you look amazing. Have 146 00:06:55,034 --> 00:06:56,753 Speaker 1: you been You look like being in a magazine shoot. 147 00:06:56,794 --> 00:06:58,713 Speaker 1: And I was just like, I was like, oh my gosh, 148 00:06:58,714 --> 00:07:02,593 Speaker 1: someone has seen me. Someone it's me, And this was me. 149 00:07:02,794 --> 00:07:06,434 Speaker 1: This was me feeling like myself again in what I'd 150 00:07:06,433 --> 00:07:08,473 Speaker 1: always study and the industry had always been in. But 151 00:07:08,513 --> 00:07:10,234 Speaker 1: I was just in the school yard and I didn't 152 00:07:10,314 --> 00:07:13,354 Speaker 1: care if I looked dressed up. And it comes from something. 153 00:07:13,474 --> 00:07:15,994 Speaker 1: I just felt better and I felt myself and that 154 00:07:16,194 --> 00:07:19,834 Speaker 1: became my motto is really, if you look good, you 155 00:07:19,874 --> 00:07:21,154 Speaker 1: feel good, your mood's better. 156 00:07:21,354 --> 00:07:24,394 Speaker 3: I totally agree. I went through the same thing postpartum, 157 00:07:24,434 --> 00:07:26,114 Speaker 3: and then I was like, oh, I put in a 158 00:07:26,194 --> 00:07:28,234 Speaker 3: teeny bit of effort just for me, for no one else, 159 00:07:28,234 --> 00:07:30,354 Speaker 3: and I just I felt a little bit better. Now. Listen, 160 00:07:30,393 --> 00:07:34,273 Speaker 3: today's topic is the perfect formula for finding your personal style, 161 00:07:34,354 --> 00:07:36,714 Speaker 3: and that is what you do for people. So you 162 00:07:36,754 --> 00:07:39,754 Speaker 3: are the right guest. So who are the women coming 163 00:07:39,754 --> 00:07:40,434 Speaker 3: to you for help? 164 00:07:40,634 --> 00:07:44,713 Speaker 1: Yes? So I have found they have just lost their 165 00:07:44,754 --> 00:07:48,194 Speaker 1: sense of style, lost their way with their wardrobe. They 166 00:07:48,314 --> 00:07:53,354 Speaker 1: probably have a full wardrobe, but just don't know how 167 00:07:53,354 --> 00:07:56,353 Speaker 1: to put it together, what to shop next, what's missing, 168 00:07:56,514 --> 00:07:59,354 Speaker 1: what's missing, and just how to feel good. Sometimes they've 169 00:07:59,354 --> 00:08:00,754 Speaker 1: had a lot of pieces they've owned for a really 170 00:08:00,754 --> 00:08:02,514 Speaker 1: long time. That's what I talk about. When a lot 171 00:08:02,514 --> 00:08:04,514 Speaker 1: of women have their corporate wardrobe or their work wardrobe 172 00:08:04,514 --> 00:08:06,234 Speaker 1: and it's just gathering dust and they're like, I don't 173 00:08:06,234 --> 00:08:08,674 Speaker 1: know what to do with it, and I'm like, get 174 00:08:09,034 --> 00:08:12,754 Speaker 1: rid of it. Absolutely someone else can wear it. And 175 00:08:13,274 --> 00:08:16,634 Speaker 1: I just find also they are definitely women that are busy. 176 00:08:16,794 --> 00:08:18,114 Speaker 1: I've had a couple of men as well, but you know, 177 00:08:18,154 --> 00:08:20,674 Speaker 1: it's that real feeling if they just want someone to 178 00:08:20,754 --> 00:08:23,194 Speaker 1: help them with a category, they just can't get their 179 00:08:23,194 --> 00:08:23,634 Speaker 1: head around. 180 00:08:23,914 --> 00:08:26,154 Speaker 3: We've outsourced everything, like you can get you Uber eats 181 00:08:26,154 --> 00:08:29,514 Speaker 3: and your absolutely you can online shop, but then you 182 00:08:29,594 --> 00:08:31,273 Speaker 3: get it into your war driving like, oh, now what 183 00:08:31,354 --> 00:08:31,634 Speaker 3: do I do? 184 00:08:31,834 --> 00:08:32,554 Speaker 1: Absolutely? 185 00:08:32,714 --> 00:08:35,434 Speaker 3: Now you talk a lot about the in between void, 186 00:08:35,554 --> 00:08:38,593 Speaker 3: the clothing void. Explain what this is. 187 00:08:38,953 --> 00:08:41,274 Speaker 1: So what I found in the beginning was every client 188 00:08:41,314 --> 00:08:43,034 Speaker 1: was different, and I treated it that way. I always 189 00:08:43,034 --> 00:08:47,594 Speaker 1: have a style questionnaire, but every client different lifestyle, different age, 190 00:08:47,634 --> 00:08:50,954 Speaker 1: different taste, different body shape. And as I went along 191 00:08:50,954 --> 00:08:53,833 Speaker 1: a couple of years, I started to see the same thing. 192 00:08:54,114 --> 00:08:56,794 Speaker 1: I started to do workshops and online workshops and things 193 00:08:56,834 --> 00:09:00,874 Speaker 1: like that because I started to see the basics were missing, 194 00:09:01,474 --> 00:09:04,074 Speaker 1: and often they had them, but they weren't wearing them 195 00:09:04,114 --> 00:09:06,834 Speaker 1: because they didn't fit. And I'm going to say straight 196 00:09:06,834 --> 00:09:10,074 Speaker 1: away a pair of jeans. It just was so obvious 197 00:09:10,114 --> 00:09:11,514 Speaker 1: that I found it really hard to go into people's 198 00:09:11,514 --> 00:09:13,194 Speaker 1: wardrobe like where's your jeans and they're like, oh, I've 199 00:09:13,194 --> 00:09:15,794 Speaker 1: got these five pairs, But that doesn't fit that one. 200 00:09:15,834 --> 00:09:17,714 Speaker 1: I'm just not sure about that one I bought on 201 00:09:17,794 --> 00:09:19,914 Speaker 1: sale and I'm like, where's your fab jeans? Where are 202 00:09:19,954 --> 00:09:22,114 Speaker 1: your jeans that you put on and you feel amazing in? 203 00:09:22,194 --> 00:09:23,874 Speaker 1: Because if you don't have a great pair of jeans, 204 00:09:23,914 --> 00:09:25,994 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's where we're starting. Yes, And sometimes they'd 205 00:09:26,034 --> 00:09:28,394 Speaker 1: be be like, oh, just jeans. They want that. 206 00:09:28,474 --> 00:09:30,514 Speaker 3: Basics equals boring, but it doesn't. 207 00:09:30,634 --> 00:09:33,794 Speaker 1: It doesn't. It equals everything else goes with it. 208 00:09:33,954 --> 00:09:36,554 Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, I'm with you. I went I fell into 209 00:09:36,554 --> 00:09:38,714 Speaker 3: that exact trap. I went on to matt Leave. My 210 00:09:38,874 --> 00:09:40,914 Speaker 3: job before was very glamorous and lots of events. I'd 211 00:09:40,914 --> 00:09:43,474 Speaker 3: heels and dresses, yes, and then i had you know, 212 00:09:43,714 --> 00:09:45,914 Speaker 3: bonds tracksit pants from six hundred years ago, and there 213 00:09:45,954 --> 00:09:48,274 Speaker 3: was nothing in between in between was missing. 214 00:09:48,314 --> 00:09:51,634 Speaker 1: Absolutely, That's what I really noticed. And I found some clients, 215 00:09:51,674 --> 00:09:53,714 Speaker 1: you see, they're disheartened a bit because I had one 216 00:09:53,754 --> 00:09:56,394 Speaker 1: client in Melbourne and she was a lawyer. She was 217 00:09:56,834 --> 00:09:59,754 Speaker 1: in corporate, but she had so many colored tops and prints. 218 00:10:00,074 --> 00:10:02,074 Speaker 1: She wore skirts and tights and dresses, which I found 219 00:10:02,074 --> 00:10:04,874 Speaker 1: really surprising for Melbourne. I'm like, where's your trousers? And 220 00:10:04,914 --> 00:10:07,394 Speaker 1: she didn't have a pair of black trousers. I could 221 00:10:07,474 --> 00:10:09,394 Speaker 1: see her face just drop when she was doing the 222 00:10:09,514 --> 00:10:11,034 Speaker 1: zoom with me, because I'm like, you really need a 223 00:10:11,034 --> 00:10:11,994 Speaker 1: good pair of black trousers. 224 00:10:12,154 --> 00:10:12,674 Speaker 3: That's boring. 225 00:10:12,714 --> 00:10:14,714 Speaker 1: It's like, that's boring. You're a stylist and you're telling 226 00:10:14,714 --> 00:10:17,074 Speaker 1: me that. And yet she messaged me a couple of 227 00:10:17,074 --> 00:10:18,874 Speaker 1: weeks later. I gave her a detailed email. She messed 228 00:10:18,874 --> 00:10:20,234 Speaker 1: me a couple of weeks later. She said, I've bought 229 00:10:20,274 --> 00:10:21,994 Speaker 1: a pair of black pants. I bought them in navy, 230 00:10:22,034 --> 00:10:23,954 Speaker 1: and I cannot believe how much it has changed my life. 231 00:10:24,074 --> 00:10:26,114 Speaker 3: How many combinations are sitting in her wardrobe. 232 00:10:26,194 --> 00:10:29,114 Speaker 1: All of those colored tops could then be worn over 233 00:10:29,154 --> 00:10:31,034 Speaker 1: and over and over again. And I also said, a 234 00:10:31,074 --> 00:10:35,434 Speaker 1: really really good coat. 235 00:10:42,554 --> 00:10:47,074 Speaker 3: In regards to people finding their personal style, when people 236 00:10:47,114 --> 00:10:50,274 Speaker 3: say to you, I don't have a personal style, how 237 00:10:50,314 --> 00:10:53,234 Speaker 3: do they find it? It's one of those things that's missing. 238 00:10:53,394 --> 00:10:54,794 Speaker 3: Do they not have it or do they just not 239 00:10:54,874 --> 00:10:55,674 Speaker 3: know what it is? 240 00:10:56,234 --> 00:11:00,194 Speaker 1: I just think women don't prioritize it. I have some 241 00:11:00,274 --> 00:11:03,154 Speaker 1: women message me and say I like your style. I'm like, 242 00:11:03,194 --> 00:11:04,874 Speaker 1: but what about you? What's your style? You know? And 243 00:11:05,034 --> 00:11:06,874 Speaker 1: when I've had the style question and I've actually had 244 00:11:06,914 --> 00:11:08,834 Speaker 1: on that like who inspires you or who do you 245 00:11:08,874 --> 00:11:11,994 Speaker 1: look up to? And sometimes they leave it blank, sometimes 246 00:11:11,994 --> 00:11:15,394 Speaker 1: they put myself or someone similar, and sometimes they put 247 00:11:15,434 --> 00:11:16,994 Speaker 1: it is lovely and I suggest, you know, I say 248 00:11:17,034 --> 00:11:20,234 Speaker 1: all celebrities or people on TV or someone on Instagram, 249 00:11:20,394 --> 00:11:22,394 Speaker 1: I want to know more, and they struggle. And I've 250 00:11:22,394 --> 00:11:24,754 Speaker 1: actually had a lot of replies that have been Kate 251 00:11:24,794 --> 00:11:29,274 Speaker 1: Middleton and Megan Markle, and I'm like, but they've got wardrobes, 252 00:11:29,314 --> 00:11:31,154 Speaker 1: they've got budgets, they've got stylists. 253 00:11:31,234 --> 00:11:32,994 Speaker 3: But I guess, I mean, if they're into like feminine, 254 00:11:33,114 --> 00:11:35,114 Speaker 3: it's an interesting thing because because. 255 00:11:34,874 --> 00:11:37,034 Speaker 1: They always look really put together. 256 00:11:37,194 --> 00:11:40,713 Speaker 3: Yes, overall vibe. It's funny because you and I have 257 00:11:40,754 --> 00:11:42,554 Speaker 3: prolific on social media. It's part of our jobs. But 258 00:11:42,554 --> 00:11:44,634 Speaker 3: I've got a lot of friends who are lawyers and 259 00:11:44,714 --> 00:11:47,474 Speaker 3: doctors and they don't spend any time on social media. 260 00:11:47,554 --> 00:11:49,514 Speaker 3: They go home at night and watch period drama. So 261 00:11:49,594 --> 00:11:51,954 Speaker 3: they're like, oh, did you see what camesworth? And they're 262 00:11:51,954 --> 00:11:54,714 Speaker 3: like what. But we're talking personal style. So do you 263 00:11:54,714 --> 00:11:56,834 Speaker 3: believe everyone needs a pair of jeans? What if they 264 00:11:56,874 --> 00:11:58,274 Speaker 3: are a Kate Middleton, I. 265 00:11:58,274 --> 00:12:00,034 Speaker 1: Mean she does wear a gene, she does wear a jeans, 266 00:12:00,194 --> 00:12:02,634 Speaker 1: she rocks that T shirt, jeans and ballet flat. Yes, 267 00:12:02,874 --> 00:12:05,034 Speaker 1: but again I think it's having the right genes that 268 00:12:05,194 --> 00:12:07,434 Speaker 1: suit you, that you feel fabulous in, and then you 269 00:12:07,514 --> 00:12:09,394 Speaker 1: just put all the pieces around it. Okay, so you 270 00:12:09,434 --> 00:12:11,354 Speaker 1: put a pair of sneakers if you're super cash, you 271 00:12:11,354 --> 00:12:12,874 Speaker 1: put a pair of ballet flats if you want to 272 00:12:12,914 --> 00:12:15,554 Speaker 1: elevate it, and then you put a heel if you're 273 00:12:15,594 --> 00:12:17,914 Speaker 1: ready for night time. But if someone doesn't want to 274 00:12:17,954 --> 00:12:20,074 Speaker 1: do jeans, I'm always a huge fan of elastic waste 275 00:12:20,074 --> 00:12:22,674 Speaker 1: trousers and so many options. Now there's a new sporty 276 00:12:22,674 --> 00:12:25,114 Speaker 1: stripe sort of styles in that are so comfy, but 277 00:12:25,114 --> 00:12:26,594 Speaker 1: also lots of beautiful linen trouser. 278 00:12:26,634 --> 00:12:28,354 Speaker 3: There are a pastor that's a bit more feminine. 279 00:12:28,354 --> 00:12:29,034 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 280 00:12:29,714 --> 00:12:32,394 Speaker 3: Okay, So clients for you are overwhelmed by what's in 281 00:12:32,434 --> 00:12:35,274 Speaker 3: their wardrobe, but then you take them shopping. What part 282 00:12:35,314 --> 00:12:39,314 Speaker 3: of that is overwhelming? I'm a sponge. I go oh 283 00:12:39,474 --> 00:12:41,154 Speaker 3: to cub a window. I want to look like her 284 00:12:41,194 --> 00:12:43,234 Speaker 3: that I oh, see the window, I'll look like her, 285 00:12:43,274 --> 00:12:45,714 Speaker 3: And you know, I've got a rough idea about fashion. Yeah, 286 00:12:45,754 --> 00:12:47,434 Speaker 3: so do they find that overwhelming? 287 00:12:47,594 --> 00:12:49,354 Speaker 1: I just have women that just don't like shopping at all. 288 00:12:49,594 --> 00:12:52,954 Speaker 1: People also get stuck in their ways. They have their 289 00:12:53,034 --> 00:12:56,394 Speaker 1: makeup routine, they have their outfits, and they have maybe 290 00:12:56,474 --> 00:12:58,634 Speaker 1: their work or their lifestyles. So they're stuck in their 291 00:12:58,674 --> 00:13:00,274 Speaker 1: ways and I have to push them a little bit. 292 00:13:00,274 --> 00:13:03,074 Speaker 1: And sometimes that's where they get so excited and it 293 00:13:03,074 --> 00:13:04,634 Speaker 1: doesn't work every time. I always say to them, I'm 294 00:13:04,634 --> 00:13:05,953 Speaker 1: not going to nail this, but I want you to 295 00:13:05,994 --> 00:13:06,833 Speaker 1: try something different on it. 296 00:13:07,594 --> 00:13:09,154 Speaker 3: Force your credit card on the count. You don't have 297 00:13:09,234 --> 00:13:09,794 Speaker 3: to buy it. 298 00:13:09,874 --> 00:13:11,914 Speaker 1: And I've had a woman say I'll never wear a jumpsuit. 299 00:13:11,994 --> 00:13:14,074 Speaker 1: Well I found one for her next thing. You know, 300 00:13:14,114 --> 00:13:15,954 Speaker 1: she loves a jumpsuit, you know, But it was just 301 00:13:16,034 --> 00:13:17,954 Speaker 1: finding the right one and getting her to try it 302 00:13:17,954 --> 00:13:20,474 Speaker 1: on and don't give up. I also sometimes say to 303 00:13:20,514 --> 00:13:22,474 Speaker 1: people it's like a fridge. If you kept buying the 304 00:13:22,514 --> 00:13:24,794 Speaker 1: same things in your fridge and cooking the same meals, 305 00:13:25,274 --> 00:13:26,354 Speaker 1: you'd be so bort And. 306 00:13:26,314 --> 00:13:27,833 Speaker 3: It's true, because you're in a rush you go to 307 00:13:27,874 --> 00:13:29,234 Speaker 3: the shop, so you shop online and you go, oh, 308 00:13:29,274 --> 00:13:30,954 Speaker 3: that's safe. I know that style suits mean, but then 309 00:13:30,994 --> 00:13:33,034 Speaker 3: you've got more and more of the same. So you 310 00:13:33,234 --> 00:13:37,834 Speaker 3: believe that the key to personal style is back to basics. Absolutely, 311 00:13:37,914 --> 00:13:40,314 Speaker 3: let's talk about that, because for me, I agree, But 312 00:13:40,554 --> 00:13:42,834 Speaker 3: basics aren't all basics the same? And then we're talking 313 00:13:42,834 --> 00:13:43,954 Speaker 3: a capsual wardrobe. 314 00:13:44,074 --> 00:13:46,034 Speaker 1: You know, people sometimes get really put off by those 315 00:13:46,034 --> 00:13:47,914 Speaker 1: words because they find it just so limiting. 316 00:13:48,034 --> 00:13:50,794 Speaker 3: Also, the word basic is so basic. May we call 317 00:13:50,834 --> 00:13:53,114 Speaker 3: it like quality foundations. 318 00:13:52,474 --> 00:13:55,714 Speaker 1: Or foundation pieces? I love that, or I call them 319 00:13:55,714 --> 00:13:59,314 Speaker 1: my top picks. If you have these, then you can 320 00:13:59,434 --> 00:14:02,834 Speaker 1: style so many outfits with your little pieces that you 321 00:14:02,874 --> 00:14:03,194 Speaker 1: add in. 322 00:14:03,274 --> 00:14:08,034 Speaker 3: So are your personal statement? Okay? Me through some options 323 00:14:08,154 --> 00:14:08,434 Speaker 3: for that. 324 00:14:08,794 --> 00:14:10,874 Speaker 1: So when I'm shopping with someone or when I'm talking 325 00:14:10,874 --> 00:14:13,914 Speaker 1: to someone and giving them tips, I don't necessarily want 326 00:14:13,914 --> 00:14:16,394 Speaker 1: to shop print with them or color because that's something 327 00:14:16,434 --> 00:14:18,714 Speaker 1: you can do yourself. You're attracted to it, you put 328 00:14:18,754 --> 00:14:20,514 Speaker 1: it on. I want to make sure they've got all 329 00:14:20,514 --> 00:14:24,874 Speaker 1: those basics, all those foundation pieces, because once they've nailed those, 330 00:14:25,514 --> 00:14:27,394 Speaker 1: sure go out and shop that fun piece with that 331 00:14:27,474 --> 00:14:28,074 Speaker 1: fun color. 332 00:14:28,194 --> 00:14:29,714 Speaker 3: So you put up the walls in the roof and 333 00:14:29,714 --> 00:14:33,674 Speaker 3: then they do the cushions and rug and I like 334 00:14:33,754 --> 00:14:36,434 Speaker 3: it and it's so true thinking about it now, And 335 00:14:36,834 --> 00:14:39,314 Speaker 3: some gaps in my wardrobo friends who they have a 336 00:14:39,394 --> 00:14:42,154 Speaker 3: very distinct style Some are super feminine, some are super sporty. 337 00:14:42,314 --> 00:14:45,554 Speaker 3: They know their personal style. They just can't pair forty 338 00:14:45,594 --> 00:14:47,674 Speaker 3: with forty with forty shorty because they don't have those 339 00:14:47,674 --> 00:14:52,914 Speaker 3: foundational pieces to the correct Okay, so talk to me 340 00:14:53,194 --> 00:14:58,234 Speaker 3: about foundation pieces. What do you recommend that kind of 341 00:14:58,274 --> 00:15:01,834 Speaker 3: works with most people's personal style? Is it a white shirt? 342 00:15:01,914 --> 00:15:04,634 Speaker 3: What are we buying as our foundations. 343 00:15:04,394 --> 00:15:06,714 Speaker 1: Again, I'm going to go back to jeans. That's obviously 344 00:15:06,754 --> 00:15:09,994 Speaker 1: because I think also work lifestyle, work from home, even 345 00:15:10,114 --> 00:15:12,794 Speaker 1: work office, it's become more casual, like my husband's wearing 346 00:15:12,834 --> 00:15:15,114 Speaker 1: chinos and not a suit anymore, with just a button shirt, 347 00:15:15,194 --> 00:15:17,874 Speaker 1: you know. So I think jeans you really do need 348 00:15:17,874 --> 00:15:19,754 Speaker 1: to have at least one really good pair, if not more. 349 00:15:19,994 --> 00:15:21,994 Speaker 1: I also think of white top. Some people find that 350 00:15:22,034 --> 00:15:25,074 Speaker 1: a T shirt. I am actually moving more towards a 351 00:15:25,114 --> 00:15:27,114 Speaker 1: tank because I don't know, I'm in my forties and 352 00:15:27,154 --> 00:15:29,194 Speaker 1: I'm finding I get hotter really easily. So I actually 353 00:15:29,274 --> 00:15:31,114 Speaker 1: just love like a white sleeveless top. But that could 354 00:15:31,114 --> 00:15:33,034 Speaker 1: also be a white button down shirt. So I always 355 00:15:33,034 --> 00:15:35,154 Speaker 1: say jeans and a white top, you just can't go wrong. 356 00:15:35,754 --> 00:15:38,674 Speaker 1: It's just clean, classic, and then you could add any 357 00:15:38,714 --> 00:15:41,514 Speaker 1: color blazer, any color nit over the top. I always 358 00:15:41,554 --> 00:15:44,754 Speaker 1: say a blazer. I think a black blazer because some 359 00:15:44,794 --> 00:15:46,554 Speaker 1: people might find black a bit harsh, but you know 360 00:15:46,594 --> 00:15:49,634 Speaker 1: what it elevates, and that's where you add your accessories. 361 00:15:49,794 --> 00:15:52,354 Speaker 1: You know, you just add your great jewels, a fabulous lipstick, 362 00:15:52,514 --> 00:15:55,194 Speaker 1: great handbag. You can do that really affordable as well. 363 00:15:55,234 --> 00:15:57,394 Speaker 1: So if you have that great blazer, and I would 364 00:15:57,434 --> 00:16:00,194 Speaker 1: recommend black, I also think a black trouser if you 365 00:16:00,234 --> 00:16:02,234 Speaker 1: can get the matching set, because you can actually wear 366 00:16:02,274 --> 00:16:04,394 Speaker 1: that evening style. You could wear that black tie if 367 00:16:04,394 --> 00:16:06,754 Speaker 1: you need a gee, put on a fabulous to a wedding, 368 00:16:06,754 --> 00:16:09,634 Speaker 1: put on fabulous black heels with trousers and a black blazer, 369 00:16:09,914 --> 00:16:13,034 Speaker 1: earring exactly, even do like a little lace cami underneath 370 00:16:13,114 --> 00:16:15,314 Speaker 1: or bra like you could dress that up with the 371 00:16:15,314 --> 00:16:18,834 Speaker 1: most incredible earrings and you know, no matter what, hair 372 00:16:19,634 --> 00:16:22,634 Speaker 1: on hundred percent. And I've only mentioned four pieces, so 373 00:16:23,074 --> 00:16:25,034 Speaker 1: five faces. So and then of course I will definitely 374 00:16:25,034 --> 00:16:27,754 Speaker 1: add in a sneaker. And again the sneaker goes with jeans, 375 00:16:27,914 --> 00:16:29,994 Speaker 1: the white sneaker, but then you could do the sneaker 376 00:16:30,034 --> 00:16:31,594 Speaker 1: with the black blazer and the black trousers. 377 00:16:31,634 --> 00:16:33,994 Speaker 3: It's employed, but with someone with me born without ankles. 378 00:16:33,994 --> 00:16:37,034 Speaker 3: I'm still trying to experiment of sneakers outside of active wear, 379 00:16:37,074 --> 00:16:39,594 Speaker 3: but I get it. Maybe it's a classic or comfy 380 00:16:39,634 --> 00:16:40,234 Speaker 3: flat shoe. 381 00:16:40,434 --> 00:16:42,834 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. 382 00:16:43,354 --> 00:16:45,114 Speaker 3: This is the trap I see a lot of people 383 00:16:45,114 --> 00:16:47,754 Speaker 3: fall into, and I wonder how you feel. Don't have 384 00:16:47,794 --> 00:16:50,394 Speaker 3: to spend a lot of money, But I think there 385 00:16:50,434 --> 00:16:53,834 Speaker 3: is a difference between a home white T shirt and 386 00:16:53,874 --> 00:16:56,834 Speaker 3: I wear outside white teas. Definitely, even if they're both 387 00:16:56,834 --> 00:16:57,474 Speaker 3: thirty bucks. 388 00:16:57,514 --> 00:16:59,834 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely. And I actually say to people like, if 389 00:16:59,834 --> 00:17:02,194 Speaker 1: you're wearing that white T shirt, get to style it 390 00:17:02,194 --> 00:17:03,954 Speaker 1: with your jeans, But then have you one that's just 391 00:17:03,994 --> 00:17:05,754 Speaker 1: with your active wear, Like I have a couple of 392 00:17:05,793 --> 00:17:08,594 Speaker 1: those things. When we talk about those basics, as I say, 393 00:17:08,634 --> 00:17:10,994 Speaker 1: you might have a few of each of those items. 394 00:17:10,793 --> 00:17:13,554 Speaker 3: Especially if you really love the cut. I downgrade mine 395 00:17:13,554 --> 00:17:16,234 Speaker 3: from outside the house in the house in bed exactly, 396 00:17:16,914 --> 00:17:17,994 Speaker 3: deteriorate exactly. 397 00:17:17,994 --> 00:17:21,874 Speaker 1: And I always consider people's budgets. So obviously you know Hamart, Target, 398 00:17:21,914 --> 00:17:25,114 Speaker 1: they have fantastic items you can get if you want 399 00:17:25,154 --> 00:17:27,353 Speaker 1: to go a little bit higher in price point. What 400 00:17:27,394 --> 00:17:28,994 Speaker 1: you do find higher and price point is you do 401 00:17:29,074 --> 00:17:31,434 Speaker 1: start to get higher quality, and I talk about that 402 00:17:31,514 --> 00:17:34,194 Speaker 1: a lot because I love talking about fabrics, and I 403 00:17:34,274 --> 00:17:39,154 Speaker 1: think that's something that really comes strong in knitwear and coats. 404 00:17:38,394 --> 00:17:41,073 Speaker 3: Particularly coats, because if you look after them well, you 405 00:17:41,074 --> 00:17:41,674 Speaker 3: have them forever. 406 00:17:42,034 --> 00:17:44,394 Speaker 1: If you have wool in your coat, you are so 407 00:17:44,554 --> 00:17:47,874 Speaker 1: much warmer, and the same with knits. I find having 408 00:17:47,954 --> 00:17:52,154 Speaker 1: wool low hair el packer cashmir. It does add price, 409 00:17:52,394 --> 00:17:55,274 Speaker 1: but it's going to last longer. And I actually don't 410 00:17:55,314 --> 00:17:58,513 Speaker 1: buy knits now without wool in it because I just 411 00:17:58,674 --> 00:18:00,234 Speaker 1: I hate being cold. 412 00:18:00,274 --> 00:18:02,754 Speaker 3: Yes, and also the bawling, and you know it's you 413 00:18:02,754 --> 00:18:04,273 Speaker 3: do get what you pay for to a degree, I 414 00:18:04,714 --> 00:18:08,154 Speaker 3: want to be comfortable to hate an exactly. Okay, so 415 00:18:08,234 --> 00:18:10,834 Speaker 3: we have bought our let's not call them basics. We 416 00:18:10,874 --> 00:18:14,754 Speaker 3: have curated a few foundational pieces and we take them 417 00:18:14,754 --> 00:18:18,194 Speaker 3: home and we're hyper feminine or we like masculine or 418 00:18:18,194 --> 00:18:21,553 Speaker 3: we're classic. Then do we play in our wardrobe to 419 00:18:22,194 --> 00:18:24,634 Speaker 3: find our personal style combinations? 420 00:18:25,074 --> 00:18:28,314 Speaker 1: Yeah? So I always like to where even if I'm 421 00:18:28,554 --> 00:18:31,234 Speaker 1: just doing someone's wardrobe or doing a shopping session or 422 00:18:31,274 --> 00:18:34,514 Speaker 1: just discussing someone's style, I always like to see their wardrobe. 423 00:18:34,554 --> 00:18:36,114 Speaker 1: So I always get them to do it by FaceTime 424 00:18:36,154 --> 00:18:37,954 Speaker 1: because they take the phone or the iPad. I want 425 00:18:37,954 --> 00:18:39,553 Speaker 1: to see it straight away. I'm not joking. As soon 426 00:18:39,594 --> 00:18:41,834 Speaker 1: as I see someone's wardrobe, it's like this magic trick 427 00:18:42,154 --> 00:18:44,594 Speaker 1: often that there's just so much black. I'm like, okay, 428 00:18:44,674 --> 00:18:46,513 Speaker 1: I know exactly what we need to do here, just 429 00:18:46,594 --> 00:18:48,714 Speaker 1: overloaded with black? You bored? So we need to adding 430 00:18:48,754 --> 00:18:50,674 Speaker 1: color in a bit of pattern. Or they might just 431 00:18:50,674 --> 00:18:52,434 Speaker 1: have a lot of neutrals, or they might have pieces 432 00:18:52,514 --> 00:18:54,594 Speaker 1: they just need to dely clutter a little bit. Sometimes 433 00:18:54,594 --> 00:18:58,154 Speaker 1: it's just that feeling of someone else telling you move 434 00:18:58,194 --> 00:19:00,234 Speaker 1: it on. And also I don't have a U what 435 00:19:00,314 --> 00:19:02,033 Speaker 1: do they do? Do they enlist a friend? 436 00:19:02,034 --> 00:19:04,634 Speaker 3: Do they set aside three hours in their diary to 437 00:19:04,794 --> 00:19:07,034 Speaker 3: actually just put on undies and a bra and try 438 00:19:07,314 --> 00:19:08,234 Speaker 3: on all the combos? 439 00:19:08,394 --> 00:19:11,354 Speaker 1: So I actually suggest doing it in smaller parts. Okay. 440 00:19:11,554 --> 00:19:14,274 Speaker 1: I actually think cull a couple of pieces every month 441 00:19:14,474 --> 00:19:17,114 Speaker 1: or every couple of months, because it's so doable. Yes, 442 00:19:17,314 --> 00:19:18,914 Speaker 1: just get three things out and go, you know what 443 00:19:18,954 --> 00:19:21,234 Speaker 1: time to move on? Okay, and then you're not standing 444 00:19:21,314 --> 00:19:23,513 Speaker 1: in your wardrobe getting flustered. 445 00:19:23,194 --> 00:19:25,434 Speaker 3: Totally overwhelmed decision for tea, even. 446 00:19:25,274 --> 00:19:27,074 Speaker 1: If it's three to five pieces every couple of months. 447 00:19:27,114 --> 00:19:29,234 Speaker 1: Whatever you decide to do, put it in a bag 448 00:19:29,314 --> 00:19:31,074 Speaker 1: and put it under your kid's bed, or in the 449 00:19:31,114 --> 00:19:33,114 Speaker 1: back of your husband's wardrobe, even in the garage. 450 00:19:32,794 --> 00:19:33,954 Speaker 3: And a pie. 451 00:19:34,074 --> 00:19:35,834 Speaker 1: Right, it's the maybe pile. So rather than having in 452 00:19:35,874 --> 00:19:37,354 Speaker 1: the back of your car and dropping it off and 453 00:19:37,394 --> 00:19:40,434 Speaker 1: then going, oh, might regret that, or having any car 454 00:19:40,514 --> 00:19:42,154 Speaker 1: for three months, if you never drop it off, what 455 00:19:42,274 --> 00:19:45,074 Speaker 1: can happen? Just hide it, yes, and if you haven't 456 00:19:45,074 --> 00:19:46,954 Speaker 1: missed it, yep, it's time and. 457 00:19:46,874 --> 00:19:48,714 Speaker 3: You'll probably forget about. It's funny you say that. I 458 00:19:48,714 --> 00:19:50,394 Speaker 3: recently did a clean out and I found my maybe 459 00:19:50,394 --> 00:19:51,874 Speaker 3: pile from a year ago, and I was like, well, 460 00:19:51,874 --> 00:19:54,234 Speaker 3: I forgot that was there, and so went straight into donation. 461 00:19:54,474 --> 00:19:57,593 Speaker 1: What also helps with removing things is you find things. 462 00:19:57,834 --> 00:20:00,513 Speaker 1: So many times people have done a little declutter and 463 00:20:00,554 --> 00:20:02,793 Speaker 1: I don't say pull everything out put it all back in. 464 00:20:02,994 --> 00:20:05,954 Speaker 1: Every time you do it, you find something. I do 465 00:20:05,994 --> 00:20:07,994 Speaker 1: it myself. I'm like, oh, I missed that top. I 466 00:20:08,034 --> 00:20:10,874 Speaker 1: love you. Yeah you've been and hidden, yeah hid it. 467 00:20:11,034 --> 00:20:13,074 Speaker 3: Yeah. You can't say all. 468 00:20:13,154 --> 00:20:16,074 Speaker 1: Exactly, And all of a sudden we become friends again 469 00:20:16,114 --> 00:20:18,354 Speaker 1: and I've just found something that I always owned. I 470 00:20:18,434 --> 00:20:20,834 Speaker 1: just had forgotten about. So decluttering, I think is really 471 00:20:21,274 --> 00:20:23,754 Speaker 1: own war shop, your own wardrobe, and also you might 472 00:20:23,754 --> 00:20:26,074 Speaker 1: do a little bit of reorganizing. So I'm really big 473 00:20:26,114 --> 00:20:29,314 Speaker 1: on moving your wardrobe through seasons. So have your winter 474 00:20:29,394 --> 00:20:32,154 Speaker 1: wardrobe front and center when it's really cold, because that's 475 00:20:32,154 --> 00:20:33,994 Speaker 1: what you're going to be outfitting and you can reach 476 00:20:34,034 --> 00:20:36,034 Speaker 1: for quickly and you can see how it all works together. 477 00:20:36,234 --> 00:20:39,034 Speaker 3: Yes, particularly if you're overwhelmed with getting dressed every morning. 478 00:20:39,034 --> 00:20:42,114 Speaker 3: If you've got less to look at, it's easier. Henny, 479 00:20:42,114 --> 00:20:43,874 Speaker 3: you're a wealth of knowledge. Thank you so much for 480 00:20:43,954 --> 00:20:44,353 Speaker 3: joining us. 481 00:20:44,354 --> 00:20:45,954 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. We'll have you on again. 482 00:20:46,034 --> 00:20:46,954 Speaker 1: Sou sounds great. 483 00:20:48,314 --> 00:20:50,114 Speaker 2: That's all we have time for today. 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Bye, Mamma. 499 00:21:34,274 --> 00:21:36,793 Speaker 2: Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land. We have 500 00:21:36,834 --> 00:21:40,034 Speaker 2: recorded this podcast on the Gadigal people of the Urination. 501 00:21:40,594 --> 00:21:43,033 Speaker 2: We pay our respects to their elders past and present, 502 00:21:43,314 --> 00:21:46,034 Speaker 2: and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait 503 00:21:46,034 --> 00:21:46,874 Speaker 2: Islander cultures.