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Speaker 2: and you're listening to You Beauty, the daily podcast for

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Speaker 2: Your Face. I'm Aaron Dougherty, and welcome to the Formula,

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Speaker 2: our skincare show of the week where I sit down

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Speaker 2: with celebs and some of the biggest names in beauty and.

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Speaker 3: Take a look into their skincare uteams.

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Speaker 2: And if you've been anywhere near the Internet lately, you've

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Speaker 2: probably seen it. The return of the tanline as a

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Speaker 2: fashion statement. Yes, it's back, and it's problematic. Sun Care

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Speaker 2: isn't exactly breaking news. We all know this, but thanks

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Speaker 2: to social media, misinformation is spreading faster than ever, so

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Speaker 2: we had to step in with the facts. Enter Hannah

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Speaker 2: Collingwood English, a pharmaceutical skin side entist and author who's

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Speaker 2: here to break down why our obsession with tanning runs

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Speaker 2: so deep, especially in Australia. The good news you can

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Speaker 2: get radiant, glowing skin without the damage. Hannah's sharing exactly how,

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Speaker 2: plus her top three must have products for youthful, healthy skin.

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Speaker 1: Ye are such beautiful skin.

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Speaker 3: But how Hannah, how are you? You're back on?

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Speaker 2: We're so glad to have you on the show today.

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Speaker 2: I have been following your content for a while now,

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Speaker 2: but recently you've been posting some banger reels and the ubs. Myself,

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Speaker 2: we were like, we need to get you on here

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Speaker 3: And who better else to have across for me?

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Speaker 2: I went to launchri it into it and talk about

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Speaker 2: the tan lines trend Instagram reel that you recently put up.

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Speaker 2: For those who missed it, can you tell us a

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Speaker 2: is so problematic right now because it's everywhere. I feel

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Speaker 2: like the younger generation, the younger generation has hand like

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Speaker 2: after so many years of great information out there, tell

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's not really their fault. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: into it as far as like sun safety goes. So

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Speaker 1: about sunscreens in media and for influencers, so but you

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Speaker 1: So it's just a number of factors. Hey, it stresses

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Speaker 2: I feel like we've gone back to that misconception that

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Speaker 2: talking to our friend doctor Michelle Wong from Lab Muffin Beauty,

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Speaker 2: And you know what the biggest misconception it is that

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Speaker 2: And I guess, yeah, as you said, it would be tricky.

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Speaker 2: But what do you think or like, wish more people

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Speaker 1: Sunscreen is five. So it's about your behavior as a whole.

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Speaker 1: It's a hard one because it's not so cut and

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Speaker 1: dry annoying. We have to interrogate that belief. It also

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Speaker 2: M that's a really important point. You're also like kind

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Speaker 2: of then you do you and you'll see what happens.

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Speaker 3: Tell me about I know.

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Speaker 2: It's really hard, as we talked about before, it's with

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Speaker 2: From what you can say, the basics of what you

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Speaker 2: can say, what are some formulas that are known to

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Speaker 1: People with oily skin that don't like the feel of anything.

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Speaker 1: And people tell me also there like men in their lives, husbands, partners, brothers, fathers,

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Speaker 1: they like the Cancer Council, there's like a pink one

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Speaker 1: There's one in a yellow tube that's called Sunny Days,

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Speaker 1: not the fluid. The fluid is meant to be lightweight,

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Speaker 2: That's a lot of options, and I love how there's

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Speaker 2: of options out there. Drop us some product names, Hannah

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Speaker 2: tell us, do you have any new products that you're

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Speaker 2: loving in your skin care routine right now?

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Speaker 1: I mean, what is your self carrots to you?

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Speaker 1: Yes, so always changing. It's occupational hazard, right like, we're

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Speaker 1: always testing things out for our community. We've launched three

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Speaker 1: so there's a rebound tona which is doing the rounds

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Speaker 1: on TikTok. People are calling it a dupe for the road.

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Speaker 1: I object to that, but they're both rookie tonas with

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Speaker 1: seramiones in them for like barrier support, and we made

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Speaker 1: Then we've got rebound serum that I try to use

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Speaker 1: every night. Oh, and then there's a rebound mask. Thanks

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Speaker 2: Get your rebound now, I go get your tvh stuff out.

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Speaker 1: It's good, okay. I wouldn't put my name on it

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Speaker 1: Apart from tanning oils, obviously, I've been known to report those,

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Speaker 2: very very good tip. Hannah, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: and it's just so great to have you on here

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Speaker 2: to bust all of these stinky myths that are all

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Speaker 3: So we appreciate you coming on and sharing your brain. Again.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. I always love Channing talking

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