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Speaker 4: Today, We've got a question from a ub about ingredients

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Speaker 4: Questions, but first a question from Cassier. Hi, ladies, I've

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Speaker 4: been meaning to email for a long time, but heard

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Speaker 4: you say on the pod that we could DM you

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Speaker 4: our questions. See here I am. My question is how

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Speaker 4: do we support our mouth area to age gently? For

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Speaker 4: some reason, I thought it was the eyes aged first,

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Speaker 4: But I'm in my late thirties and my old hormone

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Speaker 4: latne seems to have weakened this around to my mouth

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Speaker 4: and now I'm getting deep lines, uneven texture, and skin

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Speaker 4: wish we could go back to wearing masks. Please help.

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Speaker 1: Oh cass here, Oh yeah, I remember wearing masks.

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Speaker 2: I mean It's true our eyes we often think, oh no,

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Speaker 2: first signs of wrinkles and crows feetn But your mouth

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Speaker 2: kind of just open and shut.

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Speaker 1: Your mouth chews and smiles.

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Speaker 2: And do you say you've had hormonal acne around that area,

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Speaker 2: which will definitely weaken the skin and the skin barrier

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Speaker 2: and of course create sensitivity.

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Speaker 1: So you've got a few things going on there.

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Speaker 2: First thing they'll say, if you went to a clinic

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Speaker 2: to look into treatments, they'd say, don't use the straw.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say few vape or smoke, yes,

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Speaker 2: A straw is like, you know you're doing that, but

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Speaker 1: But there's a few other things that you can do.

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Speaker 2: I think you need barrier support in that area because

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Speaker 2: you do have kind of I guess we can skin.

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Speaker 2: As you say, it sounds like you're very across what's happened.

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Speaker 2: You just don't know how to fix it. Deep lines.

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Speaker 2: Nothing really topically is going to help there. Retinol will

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Speaker 2: So let's just not worry about the lines because I

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Speaker 2: It doesn't have to say mouth, but these ones will help.

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Speaker 2: So we've got a Noxa which is all formulated for

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Speaker 2: Last but not least I mentioned it. It was my

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Speaker 2: harder Larbo anti aging deep wrinkle corrector for eye and

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Speaker 2: Everything could be, but a place that has a lot

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Speaker 1: Do you have any Well, you can probably guess what

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Speaker 4: Ah yeah, I'm going to recommend that to Cassier Books

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Speaker 4: It's going to help with the uneven texture. It's generally

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Speaker 1: Skin is strong as shit, Like, yeah, you're strongest.

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Speaker 4: I literally used to go red after so many different products,

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Speaker 1: I've not hurt me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, unfortunate, but yeah, give those a try.

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Speaker 4: Nicolash a little bit of a scandalous question, if you will,

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Speaker 1: Nicolette has asked.

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Speaker 2: So there's so many products and ingredients that it's obviously

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Speaker 2: hair care you think are overhyped and not as effective

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Speaker 4: My first one is topical collagen. It feels nice, and

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Speaker 4: it makes your skin like nice. It's fine, but it

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Speaker 4: doesn't actually give your skin more collagen. So the molecule

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Speaker 4: So whenever something's like, this is a collagen product, well,

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Speaker 1: Agreed? I had it on my list too.

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Speaker 2: And it's tricky because the word will often be used

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Speaker 2: months and months. But yeah, topic good Collagen's kind of

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Speaker 2: No, But there's ingredients that will go in and say

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Speaker 4: But that's not collagen. Yes, my first one is beef tallow.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, I forgot about that. Continue stop putting

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Speaker 1: I'm not putting beef anywhere near my head. Well, you

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Speaker 1: are a vegetarian except when I'm drunk. Cheeseburgers come at me.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: There was an article written for MAMMEA in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: Good thing to put in your face.

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Speaker 2: It's not shocking, but there is far far better, more

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Speaker 2: elegant and well formulated products. It can cause breakout. It's

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Speaker 2: I mean, beef that's been around for millions of years,

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Speaker 2: when everyone was doing it with coconut oil too, you know,

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Speaker 2: and there's like specific skin care that I think is

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Speaker 2: Why didn't my skin cancer doctor tell me this is

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Speaker 4: Because I thought mine was a bruise. Anyway, we're disgusting.

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Speaker 4: We are disgusting. Why are we both fungi? So the

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Speaker 4: Eighty dollars oh lord, but you just put it on

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Speaker 4: I will be putting a bandit I did today because

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Speaker 2: Anyway, this was a very good medical PSA. As we're

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Speaker 1: Please go to a doctor. But it might not be

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Speaker 2: And just because it doesn't hurt and doesn't bother you,

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Speaker 4: And it can like no one wants to be walking

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Speaker 2: Anyway, on that point, we are two fun guys. Thank

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