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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA mea podcast.

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Speaker 2: From MoMA Mia. Welcome to this spill your daily pop

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Speaker 2: culture Fixed. I'm Laura Brodnick.

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Speaker 1: And I'm kissemi Legitch and coming.

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Speaker 2: Up today, we are talking about a bit of a

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Speaker 2: wild sexual at least a one person sexual. We'll explain

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Speaker 2: it admission from one of our favorite actors, Matthew McConaughey.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get into that. Lots to say, lots

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Speaker 2: to unpack. Also, Wicked has broken some records at the

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Speaker 2: box office, but that is not what people are talking about.

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Speaker 2: They are talking about the relationship between Ariana Grande and

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Speaker 2: Cynthia Rivo. There's a lot to unpack there. There's some

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Speaker 2: things that people don't want to touch on, but we're

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Speaker 2: going to dive into that. But first up, some movie

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Speaker 2: news that has both thrilled and horrified me in equal measure,

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Speaker 2: and that is the fact that the writer director of

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Speaker 2: my favorite Christmas movie of all time. Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go on the record and say it my

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Speaker 2: favorite Christmas movie all the time, and not just that,

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Speaker 2: one of my favorite movies of all time. And I've

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Speaker 2: seen every movie in the whole world, so I feel

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Speaker 2: like that's quite a big deal, and that movie is

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Speaker 2: The Family Stone.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to be nervous. I'm not.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna love you.

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Speaker 1: Well, you have a lovely help.

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Speaker 2: I've better to entertain you, my dear.

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Speaker 1: Don't billy downy there, pretty lady. We're all gonna be

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Speaker 1: down here talking about your.

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Speaker 2: She is completely uptime. I'm not sleeping with you in

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Speaker 2: your bed in your parents' house.

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Speaker 1: They hate me, hate you. You have a freak flag.

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Speaker 3: You just don't fly it.

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Speaker 1: The shock on my face when you said it was

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Speaker 1: your favorite Christmas movie all time that flowed me. It

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Speaker 1: is a great movie. I will give it well.

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Speaker 2: I mean like I love watching it at Christmas time,

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Speaker 2: but I love watching during the year. I just think

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Speaker 2: not a complete monster, but for me, The Family Stone

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Speaker 2: just something about it edges the Holiday out. I don't

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Speaker 2: love love. Actually, I think it's fine of people like it.

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Speaker 2: It's not my personal favorite. I don't watch every year

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Speaker 2: on a loop like I do other movies. What's your

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Speaker 1: I like The Holiday?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like the Great solid Choice. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I actually really like the Grinch.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well The Grinch. I don't know if that's going

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Speaker 2: to be a sequel, but The Family Stone looks like

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Speaker 2: it is because Thomas Bizuko, who was the writer director

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Speaker 2: of the original movie, which came out in two thousand

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Speaker 2: and five. God bless that man, said that he is

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Speaker 2: working on a sequel script at the moment. He's actually

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Speaker 2: So many of them are keen to do it. And

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Speaker 2: this is all fantastic news because if there's one movie

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Speaker 2: like I don't need a sequel to The Holiday because

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Speaker 2: it's not my business. What happened after that camera pulled away, well.

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Speaker 1: I think too.

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Speaker 2: I think that that's just a moment in time. Whereas

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Speaker 2: The Family Stone, if anyone hasn't watched it, First of all,

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Speaker 2: the City it's a ten out of ten movie. And

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Speaker 2: Sarah Jessica Parker plays this like kind of stuck up

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Speaker 1: If she is unhinged to this movie, it's so funny,

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Speaker 1: but it's so good, like if you look at it objectively,

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Speaker 1: and it's just her like going and sleeping with her

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Speaker 2: Sister Days who was ten out of ten of this

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Speaker 1: Her sister ends up with her. It's bizarre when you

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Speaker 2: Yes. So it's like they're like the Stone family and

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Speaker 2: And then Everett is kind of like melded into being

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Speaker 1: But one of the most iconic scenes from it is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, see, I fast forward that scene so in my

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Speaker 1: And Diane Keaton goes stop. She slams her hands down

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't like that scene because it makes me

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Speaker 2: love that movie. I think it's safe to see. And

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Speaker 2: there's been talks for years about a sequel, and obviously

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Speaker 2: this year very sadly, Diane Keaton passed away. So Diane

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Speaker 2: Keaton is the heart and soul of this movie. She

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Speaker 2: the Stone family, Sybil, and she is kind of like

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Speaker 2: And so all the years about doing a talk of

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Speaker 2: in order to honor Diane Keaton after her passing, which

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Speaker 2: kind of looks like it could potentially be happening. What

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Speaker 1: And look, a lot of the other supporting pasts have

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Speaker 1: actually have since Diane Keaton passed. I've been rewatching a

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Speaker 2: I think this is a little bit easier than some

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Speaker 2: first Christmas of them all coming back to that house again.

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Speaker 2: It would also be like nearly twenty years after Sybil's death.

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Speaker 2: checking another family stone where they are. It's a bit harder,

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Speaker 2: the actor Edwin Hammond very sadly passed away in real

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Speaker 1: It also reminds me a lot of like when they

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Speaker 2: So we have no information on whether the movie is

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Speaker 2: the works. I actually think it really would honor Diane Keaton.

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Speaker 2: It's one of her most memorable roles. And as fans

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Speaker 2: of the movie, no, the very last shot of the

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Speaker 2: of this beautiful black and white photo of Sybil, of

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Speaker 1: Matthew McConaughey has made a confession on his lyrics for

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Speaker 1: Living newsletter Are you.

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Speaker 2: Ready please tell me every detail Matthew McConaughey's wet dream

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Speaker 2: led him to True Love Get Perfect. I have no

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Speaker 1: I really never thought i'd be saying that that sentence

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Speaker 2: I always knew this was going to happen. Tell you

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Speaker 1: You knew that I was going to say?

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Speaker 2: I knew it one day, Given how that man speaks

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Speaker 2: And also this is a fraction of what he says

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Speaker 2: Yes we do. I want to hear. In fact, I

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Speaker 2: because they've got three kids. Okay. I did not look

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Speaker 2: and I was like, let's get primal with it. And

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00:18:48,474 --> 00:18:50,194
Speaker 2: I was like, I bet she was like, get out

435
00:18:50,274 --> 00:18:53,234
Speaker 2: of here, I'm giving birth and you're on the bongo saying,

436
00:18:53,314 --> 00:18:55,794
Speaker 2: let's get primal with it. It's like, so see yourself out.

437
00:18:56,034 --> 00:18:58,394
Speaker 2: She has never said that. I'm potentially just reading into

438
00:18:58,474 --> 00:19:01,954
Speaker 2: her thoughts. But I think when you're married to Matthew McConaughey,

439
00:19:02,034 --> 00:19:03,554
Speaker 2: you just expect that, not.

440
00:19:03,554 --> 00:19:05,314
Speaker 1: That he ever would, but I could never be married

441
00:19:05,354 --> 00:19:07,274
Speaker 1: to that man. Not that this is like an issue

442
00:19:07,394 --> 00:19:09,194
Speaker 1: like that meant the things that he comes out with

443
00:19:09,314 --> 00:19:12,033
Speaker 1: from his mouth is like my worst night man.

444
00:19:12,114 --> 00:19:14,074
Speaker 2: Oh my god. You know who I would marry is

445
00:19:14,194 --> 00:19:16,874
Speaker 2: Matthew McConaughey circa how to Loser Guy intended.

446
00:19:16,994 --> 00:19:19,194
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, that is his absolute hottest.

447
00:19:19,514 --> 00:19:21,634
Speaker 2: I would put up with all the crazy bullshit for that,

448
00:19:22,074 --> 00:19:25,793
Speaker 2: and I think he has gotten crazier as time has

449
00:19:25,834 --> 00:19:27,273
Speaker 2: gone on. There's a seen it. It's seen from a

450
00:19:27,314 --> 00:19:30,833
Speaker 2: Wolf of Wall Street where he just starts, yeah, so

451
00:19:30,994 --> 00:19:33,074
Speaker 2: that was in the scripture. Does he just does that?

452
00:19:33,314 --> 00:19:34,194
Speaker 1: It's so good.

453
00:19:34,234 --> 00:19:36,834
Speaker 2: I love that, And you can see Leona DiCaprio's face

454
00:19:36,874 --> 00:19:38,834
Speaker 2: through his character just be like, what the hell, what

455
00:19:38,914 --> 00:19:39,154
Speaker 2: the hell?

456
00:19:39,994 --> 00:19:42,714
Speaker 1: Make iconic parts of the entire movie.

457
00:19:42,554 --> 00:19:45,354
Speaker 2: And that's just him behind the I love it. So

458
00:19:45,394 --> 00:19:47,914
Speaker 2: I guess my message to end to Matthew McConaughey would

459
00:19:47,954 --> 00:19:50,354
Speaker 2: be like, tell more weird stories, tell more sex stories.

460
00:19:50,394 --> 00:19:52,874
Speaker 2: Tell with the consent of your wife of course, just

461
00:19:52,954 --> 00:19:54,593
Speaker 2: tell me all the weird stories. I want to hear

462
00:19:54,634 --> 00:19:59,194
Speaker 2: all of them. Well, from whilst celebrity sex stories to

463
00:19:59,274 --> 00:20:01,634
Speaker 2: my other favorite thing to talk about, and that's Wicked

464
00:20:01,794 --> 00:20:05,274
Speaker 2: in all shapes and forms incarnations. Because it has been

465
00:20:05,314 --> 00:20:08,234
Speaker 2: out now across the world, the new movie Weicked for Good.

466
00:20:08,234 --> 00:20:10,314
Speaker 2: It has been Adam Cinemas for over a week now,

467
00:20:10,754 --> 00:20:12,914
Speaker 2: and we have some wonderful news, which is a few

468
00:20:12,994 --> 00:20:16,034
Speaker 2: box office records that have been broken. So they actually

469
00:20:16,114 --> 00:20:18,513
Speaker 2: doubled the number of domestic ticket sales, which is a

470
00:20:18,594 --> 00:20:21,273
Speaker 2: huge thing. That had a huge audience last time, but

471
00:20:21,354 --> 00:20:23,754
Speaker 2: this time they had people like literally lining the streets

472
00:20:23,754 --> 00:20:26,394
Speaker 2: to see this movie. It actually had the second biggest

473
00:20:26,474 --> 00:20:29,874
Speaker 2: US opening of the year after a Minecraft movie which

474
00:20:30,594 --> 00:20:33,754
Speaker 2: actually was quite good. I thought people loved it, and

475
00:20:33,874 --> 00:20:36,474
Speaker 2: Lelo and Stitch, which obviously had this huge movie fan

476
00:20:36,514 --> 00:20:39,514
Speaker 2: base there. So the global numbers make it the biggest

477
00:20:39,554 --> 00:20:44,474
Speaker 2: international opening for a stage musical adaptation ever, beating out

478
00:20:44,754 --> 00:20:48,114
Speaker 2: last year's Wicked movie, which had originally set that bar,

479
00:20:48,354 --> 00:20:52,434
Speaker 2: so huge, huge numbers there, and what a lot of

480
00:20:52,474 --> 00:20:54,674
Speaker 2: people are talking about along with their thoughts on the

481
00:20:54,674 --> 00:20:58,553
Speaker 2: movie and the box office opening, is the relationship between

482
00:20:58,674 --> 00:21:01,634
Speaker 2: Ariana Grande and Cynthia Rivo, which we've now seen for

483
00:21:01,674 --> 00:21:03,554
Speaker 2: a second time on their second press tour.

484
00:21:03,794 --> 00:21:06,234
Speaker 1: So even though this particular press store has been a

485
00:21:06,234 --> 00:21:09,234
Speaker 1: lot more subdued than last years, there has still been

486
00:21:09,274 --> 00:21:12,514
Speaker 1: the exact same conversation happening as happened last year, because

487
00:21:12,514 --> 00:21:15,354
Speaker 1: we've got that really iconic press to a moment. Last

488
00:21:15,434 --> 00:21:18,434
Speaker 1: year we was holding space and the finger. We all

489
00:21:18,434 --> 00:21:22,634
Speaker 1: remember that. It's become enmeshed in our pop culture knowledge now.

490
00:21:23,274 --> 00:21:25,194
Speaker 1: But this year things have been a little bit quieter,

491
00:21:25,394 --> 00:21:29,074
Speaker 1: but still that same narrative of like Cynthia and Ariana's

492
00:21:29,114 --> 00:21:33,354
Speaker 1: relationship has been really really consistent, and that is that

493
00:21:34,114 --> 00:21:39,033
Speaker 1: their relationship is quote weird and way too close, and

494
00:21:39,074 --> 00:21:42,114
Speaker 1: now people are talking about how they're trauma bonded.

495
00:21:42,594 --> 00:21:44,914
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting way to put it because I

496
00:21:44,914 --> 00:21:47,314
Speaker 2: think obviously there was a huge focus on their off

497
00:21:47,354 --> 00:21:50,874
Speaker 2: screen relationship last year, but I think the conversation around

498
00:21:50,994 --> 00:21:53,674
Speaker 2: them as co stars and friends has actually changed quite

499
00:21:53,754 --> 00:21:56,994
Speaker 2: dramatically over a year. So we only got really our

500
00:21:57,034 --> 00:21:59,194
Speaker 2: first taste of it last year, especially when the press

501
00:21:59,194 --> 00:22:01,874
Speaker 2: too were started right here in Australia. We had the

502
00:22:01,914 --> 00:22:04,514
Speaker 2: world premiere, we had the first lot of interviews there.

503
00:22:04,874 --> 00:22:07,634
Speaker 2: Interview I did interview them and tell you what I

504
00:22:07,674 --> 00:22:10,754
Speaker 2: saw this is I find myself defending them quite a

505
00:22:10,794 --> 00:22:13,194
Speaker 2: bit in terms of like how emotional they get.

506
00:22:13,474 --> 00:22:16,034
Speaker 1: I do too, And I think that comes from that

507
00:22:16,074 --> 00:22:20,114
Speaker 1: sort of theater nerd background, because there is this sense

508
00:22:20,314 --> 00:22:25,354
Speaker 1: of camaraderie and closeness that you get on a production

509
00:22:25,674 --> 00:22:28,514
Speaker 1: and they are literally on the biggest production of all time,

510
00:22:29,114 --> 00:22:31,634
Speaker 1: and they're both theater kids and they just love it,

511
00:22:31,634 --> 00:22:33,554
Speaker 1: and that really brings people really close together.

512
00:22:33,754 --> 00:22:35,914
Speaker 2: Yeah, so these are obviously characters that they had loved

513
00:22:35,914 --> 00:22:38,194
Speaker 2: it for over twenty years plus. Also, when you're an

514
00:22:38,234 --> 00:22:40,714
Speaker 2: actress and performer, you're already at an emotional level of

515
00:22:40,754 --> 00:22:42,714
Speaker 2: a fifteen most of the time, or you should be

516
00:22:42,834 --> 00:22:45,954
Speaker 2: to give a proper performance. And I also think like

517
00:22:46,034 --> 00:22:48,674
Speaker 2: a lot of the world saw them crying all the

518
00:22:48,754 --> 00:22:51,434
Speaker 2: time in their interviews, but what they didn't see at

519
00:22:51,474 --> 00:22:55,234
Speaker 2: the time, especially that first premiere in Australia, was the

520
00:22:55,834 --> 00:22:58,634
Speaker 2: literally hundreds of fans who had lined the streets for

521
00:22:58,674 --> 00:23:01,394
Speaker 2: over twenty four hours just to get a glimpse of

522
00:23:01,434 --> 00:23:03,793
Speaker 2: them across the road at the State Theater, and I

523
00:23:03,834 --> 00:23:06,793
Speaker 2: literally saw these people sobbing, and I thought, like, you

524
00:23:06,834 --> 00:23:09,194
Speaker 2: must be sobbing for exhaustion. But any one of them

525
00:23:09,194 --> 00:23:10,634
Speaker 2: that I asked, because I love to go talk to

526
00:23:10,634 --> 00:23:12,793
Speaker 2: people online and ask like, why did you line up

527
00:23:12,794 --> 00:23:15,074
Speaker 2: for twenty four hours? Like I'm so fascinated by that,

528
00:23:15,114 --> 00:23:17,354
Speaker 2: And I think it's such a beautiful thing to have

529
00:23:17,434 --> 00:23:19,994
Speaker 2: that level of fandom. I can't imagine loving anything that

530
00:23:20,074 --> 00:23:22,954
Speaker 2: much like I love Wicked, but I would never line

531
00:23:23,034 --> 00:23:25,273
Speaker 2: up for thirty hours just to get a glimpse of

532
00:23:25,314 --> 00:23:28,114
Speaker 2: the premiere across the road. And they just were so

533
00:23:28,154 --> 00:23:30,794
Speaker 2: happy to be there. And then even at the junket,

534
00:23:31,154 --> 00:23:34,434
Speaker 2: people were crying, like other journalists I saw were crying

535
00:23:34,514 --> 00:23:37,033
Speaker 2: going into the junkit and in the room afterwards we

536
00:23:37,034 --> 00:23:39,274
Speaker 2: were all waiting for our interview cards to be given

537
00:23:39,314 --> 00:23:41,394
Speaker 2: to us without interviews on them. People were crying in

538
00:23:41,394 --> 00:23:43,513
Speaker 2: the room and I'm like, well, of course Ariana and

539
00:23:43,554 --> 00:23:45,594
Speaker 2: Cynthia are crying because all they're doing all day is

540
00:23:45,594 --> 00:23:47,593
Speaker 2: staying across from people who were crying and telling them

541
00:23:47,594 --> 00:23:49,794
Speaker 2: how much this means to them, so we had that.

542
00:23:49,954 --> 00:23:52,034
Speaker 2: I think by the end of that first press tour,

543
00:23:52,074 --> 00:23:54,274
Speaker 2: people were starting to get a little bit like, Oh,

544
00:23:54,354 --> 00:23:57,234
Speaker 2: it's too much. It's too much. And then for Wicked

545
00:23:57,274 --> 00:23:59,354
Speaker 2: for Good, as you're saying, we had that very reduced

546
00:23:59,434 --> 00:24:02,714
Speaker 2: press tour where they walked some red carpets, they did

547
00:24:02,714 --> 00:24:04,794
Speaker 2: a few red carpet interviews, They did like a few

548
00:24:04,794 --> 00:24:07,114
Speaker 2: little kind of bespoke interviews, but they didn't do that

549
00:24:07,234 --> 00:24:10,274
Speaker 2: big press junkut run that they had done originally. And

550
00:24:10,994 --> 00:24:12,834
Speaker 2: I think some of the reason around that is that

551
00:24:12,954 --> 00:24:15,354
Speaker 2: one they had kind of done so much leg work

552
00:24:15,394 --> 00:24:17,434
Speaker 2: the first time, and they were corrected. There was a

553
00:24:17,514 --> 00:24:20,274
Speaker 2: huge carryover to the second movie. But I do think

554
00:24:20,274 --> 00:24:23,474
Speaker 2: they were trying to sort of make the focus more

555
00:24:23,474 --> 00:24:25,674
Speaker 2: about the movie and the characters and the new songs,

556
00:24:25,794 --> 00:24:28,154
Speaker 2: rather than putting a spotlight on the actors who were

557
00:24:28,154 --> 00:24:30,914
Speaker 2: having a bit of a difficult time. But what has

558
00:24:30,914 --> 00:24:33,033
Speaker 2: happened is that the focus hasn't been on the movie.

559
00:24:33,114 --> 00:24:37,114
Speaker 2: The focus has been on these women and all these

560
00:24:37,194 --> 00:24:40,314
Speaker 2: theories and stories, some of them quite dark and quite disturbing,

561
00:24:40,354 --> 00:24:41,154
Speaker 2: that have popped up.

562
00:24:41,354 --> 00:24:44,394
Speaker 1: I want to be very conscious about how dark we

563
00:24:44,474 --> 00:24:47,954
Speaker 1: get because some of the accusations about them I think

564
00:24:48,114 --> 00:24:51,394
Speaker 1: are more harmful then will do any good to talk about.

565
00:24:51,834 --> 00:24:53,594
Speaker 1: A lot of people are talking about how they touch

566
00:24:53,634 --> 00:24:56,874
Speaker 1: each other a lot, and in a recent interview with

567
00:24:56,914 --> 00:25:00,154
Speaker 1: Amy Poehler, Amy asked Arianna about this, and she says,

568
00:25:00,314 --> 00:25:02,033
Speaker 1: I channel a lot of energy through my hands, and

569
00:25:02,034 --> 00:25:04,514
Speaker 1: so I'm always holding a hand, I'm always like squeezing

570
00:25:04,634 --> 00:25:06,914
Speaker 1: or something. As you've learned, I'm always reaching for something.

571
00:25:06,954 --> 00:25:09,834
Speaker 1: So so that was her reasoning for the touching. I

572
00:25:09,834 --> 00:25:11,474
Speaker 1: can relate to that. I feel like I've become quite

573
00:25:11,474 --> 00:25:14,074
Speaker 1: a physical person, so I can kind of understand that

574
00:25:14,514 --> 00:25:17,714
Speaker 1: the thing that I think is the most harmful is

575
00:25:17,794 --> 00:25:20,914
Speaker 1: a lot of the conversation around their bodies.

576
00:25:21,474 --> 00:25:24,194
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's been a bit of an escalation of

577
00:25:24,474 --> 00:25:27,394
Speaker 2: different moments. So at first, people I think were kind

578
00:25:27,394 --> 00:25:30,234
Speaker 2: of amused, but also like in a loving way, being like, oh,

579
00:25:30,314 --> 00:25:33,273
Speaker 2: they're always clinging to each other. They always seem very

580
00:25:33,354 --> 00:25:37,434
Speaker 2: overcome by all these lines of questioning. They're crying, they're hugging,

581
00:25:37,434 --> 00:25:40,594
Speaker 2: they're talking about how they've changed each other's lives, and

582
00:25:40,914 --> 00:25:43,594
Speaker 2: you know, people question that, but also people kind of

583
00:25:43,594 --> 00:25:46,834
Speaker 2: found it quite endearing this time around, also because I

584
00:25:46,874 --> 00:25:49,914
Speaker 2: think it's somehow felt like a very subdue press to it.

585
00:25:49,914 --> 00:25:52,154
Speaker 2: It didn't have the not that people didn't love the movie,

586
00:25:52,194 --> 00:25:53,793
Speaker 2: and not that I didn't get from them that they

587
00:25:53,794 --> 00:25:56,354
Speaker 2: weren't excited. And also I guess they're saying goodbye to

588
00:25:56,394 --> 00:25:58,154
Speaker 2: these characters. Last time they were just like, Hey, we'll

589
00:25:58,154 --> 00:25:59,994
Speaker 2: see you guys in a year. This time, I feel

590
00:26:00,034 --> 00:26:02,394
Speaker 2: like there's a real sense of completion for them that

591
00:26:02,434 --> 00:26:04,914
Speaker 2: this moment is over. So the press to her has

592
00:26:04,914 --> 00:26:08,514
Speaker 2: felt very subdued, and we're not getting all of those

593
00:26:08,554 --> 00:26:12,234
Speaker 2: other moments to cling to. And there's been some conspiracy

594
00:26:12,274 --> 00:26:15,033
Speaker 2: theories because for the last premiere, after the whole thing

595
00:26:15,034 --> 00:26:17,714
Speaker 2: had happened with the fan running at Ariana and Cynthia

596
00:26:17,794 --> 00:26:20,594
Speaker 2: jumping in front of her and all of that stuff.

597
00:26:20,634 --> 00:26:23,794
Speaker 2: After that happened, it came out that Cynthia Arrivo wasn't

598
00:26:23,794 --> 00:26:27,074
Speaker 2: going to do interviews at the next big premiere, which

599
00:26:27,114 --> 00:26:29,354
Speaker 2: was one of the final premieres, because she said she

600
00:26:29,354 --> 00:26:31,513
Speaker 2: had lost her voice. And then Mariana came out and

601
00:26:31,554 --> 00:26:34,513
Speaker 2: said that she also wasn't going to do interviews, just

602
00:26:34,514 --> 00:26:37,434
Speaker 2: sort of in solidarity with Cynthia, and so then the

603
00:26:37,474 --> 00:26:40,994
Speaker 2: conspiracy started that they were so traumatized by the press

604
00:26:41,034 --> 00:26:43,274
Speaker 2: and that incident, they didn't want to talk to people,

605
00:26:43,274 --> 00:26:45,794
Speaker 2: and that was kind of an excuse. And then Ariana

606
00:26:45,794 --> 00:26:47,914
Speaker 2: Grande came out and said that she had COVID nineteen

607
00:26:47,994 --> 00:26:49,874
Speaker 2: and would have to pull out of some press dudies

608
00:26:49,874 --> 00:26:52,994
Speaker 2: for Wicked, and then all these conspiracy theories started, and

609
00:26:53,074 --> 00:26:55,434
Speaker 2: this has gone rampant in all like forums and like

610
00:26:55,514 --> 00:26:59,033
Speaker 2: some new sites TikTok, especially like for me it's every

611
00:26:59,234 --> 00:27:03,234
Speaker 2: second video is this conspiracy theory that Ariana Grande lied

612
00:27:03,274 --> 00:27:05,914
Speaker 2: about having COVID nineteen to stay away from the press

613
00:27:05,954 --> 00:27:09,074
Speaker 2: line And one of those things is about what you're

614
00:27:09,114 --> 00:27:12,474
Speaker 2: saying about this conversation around her body. And I've seen

615
00:27:12,514 --> 00:27:15,194
Speaker 2: so many people just say straight to Canberra, this completely

616
00:27:15,314 --> 00:27:19,394
Speaker 2: unfounded accusation. Ariana Grande lied about having COVID nineteen to

617
00:27:19,874 --> 00:27:23,234
Speaker 2: hide her eating disorder, which is a crazy take to

618
00:27:23,314 --> 00:27:26,114
Speaker 2: say for someone that we have no idea what's going

619
00:27:26,154 --> 00:27:26,754
Speaker 2: on in her life.

620
00:27:26,794 --> 00:27:28,914
Speaker 1: I have a lot of issues with this for a

621
00:27:29,034 --> 00:27:32,834
Speaker 1: number of reasons. It's not just about Ariana. It's now

622
00:27:32,914 --> 00:27:37,994
Speaker 1: extended to Cynthia Arrivo and to Michelle Yo to a

623
00:27:38,074 --> 00:27:41,954
Speaker 1: slightly lesser extent, but the amount of videos I've seen

624
00:27:42,154 --> 00:27:46,234
Speaker 1: of people doing before and afters upsets me because I

625
00:27:46,354 --> 00:27:49,313
Speaker 1: do feel like it is indicative of a bigger issue

626
00:27:49,354 --> 00:27:51,474
Speaker 1: with you know, the way that we talk about women's

627
00:27:51,514 --> 00:27:55,194
Speaker 1: bodies in Hollywood. But I also I don't think we

628
00:27:55,194 --> 00:27:58,874
Speaker 1: should be diagnosing people's medical issues. And yeah, it just

629
00:27:58,914 --> 00:28:02,474
Speaker 1: it feels very very it's upsetting to me this narrative.

630
00:28:02,794 --> 00:28:04,994
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I look, I understand that, like when you

631
00:28:05,074 --> 00:28:07,074
Speaker 2: see those videos that are put out into the world,

632
00:28:07,194 --> 00:28:09,234
Speaker 2: they can be confronting. People want to talk about them

633
00:28:09,234 --> 00:28:11,754
Speaker 2: because what we're seeing is and some of these taken

634
00:28:11,834 --> 00:28:14,234
Speaker 2: over a decade ago, some of these photos and videos

635
00:28:14,314 --> 00:28:18,514
Speaker 2: of in particular Cynthia Rivo and Ariana Grande showing these

636
00:28:18,634 --> 00:28:21,794
Speaker 2: changes in their body and showing how they looked one

637
00:28:21,834 --> 00:28:24,114
Speaker 2: way in the past while working on other projects and

638
00:28:24,194 --> 00:28:27,834
Speaker 2: now showing that they appear to have much smaller frames,

639
00:28:27,874 --> 00:28:30,033
Speaker 2: in particular in this press run that they're doing at

640
00:28:30,074 --> 00:28:32,714
Speaker 2: the moment where you know, they're getting photographed from every

641
00:28:32,754 --> 00:28:35,674
Speaker 2: angle and film from every angle, and so their bodies

642
00:28:35,714 --> 00:28:38,154
Speaker 2: are on display and in such a huge way that

643
00:28:38,474 --> 00:28:41,514
Speaker 2: they really can't control what images are going out there

644
00:28:41,554 --> 00:28:45,354
Speaker 2: because it's just on every platform and the narrative that

645
00:28:45,394 --> 00:28:48,314
Speaker 2: has come from that is people are linking all of

646
00:28:48,354 --> 00:28:51,674
Speaker 2: these different things and saying they're saying that they've gone

647
00:28:51,674 --> 00:28:54,594
Speaker 2: through a lot together. They're talking of these past events.

648
00:28:54,594 --> 00:28:57,154
Speaker 2: They appear to be like very trauma bonded, and their

649
00:28:57,154 --> 00:29:01,034
Speaker 2: bodies look drastically different and smaller, and these questions are like,

650
00:29:01,074 --> 00:29:02,994
Speaker 2: what happened on the Wicked set? What's happened to them?

651
00:29:03,034 --> 00:29:06,394
Speaker 2: And it's painted this narrative, which is very flimsy and

652
00:29:06,434 --> 00:29:09,194
Speaker 2: I think kind of takes away from actual real issues

653
00:29:09,194 --> 00:29:12,074
Speaker 2: that could be discussed here. This's very flimsy narrative that

654
00:29:12,274 --> 00:29:16,914
Speaker 2: they went through some terrible trauma during the years that

655
00:29:16,914 --> 00:29:18,954
Speaker 2: they filmed Wicked, because they filmed the two movies back

656
00:29:18,994 --> 00:29:20,914
Speaker 2: to back, so it was this huge shoot that they

657
00:29:21,074 --> 00:29:23,954
Speaker 2: went through this unspeakable trauma, and their bodies have shrunk

658
00:29:23,994 --> 00:29:24,794
Speaker 2: as a result of that.

659
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like as a long phone draw, they're also sort

660
00:29:28,034 --> 00:29:31,434
Speaker 1: of comparing it to the things that happened on the

661
00:29:31,474 --> 00:29:34,674
Speaker 1: set of The Wizard of Oz, like in nineteen thirty nine,

662
00:29:34,794 --> 00:29:37,754
Speaker 1: which is very famously one of the most traumatic sets

663
00:29:38,194 --> 00:29:40,354
Speaker 1: that has ever existed. You know, we've got all those

664
00:29:40,394 --> 00:29:43,474
Speaker 1: stories of the tin Men having lead poisoning. We've got

665
00:29:43,874 --> 00:29:47,514
Speaker 1: Judy Garland being starved and given uppers and down as

666
00:29:47,514 --> 00:29:49,994
Speaker 1: it's very very well reported on the set of that movie.

667
00:29:50,074 --> 00:29:52,074
Speaker 1: So people are making a connection between these you were

668
00:29:52,074 --> 00:29:54,074
Speaker 1: calling it like the Wicked Curse or Wizard of Oz curse.

669
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Speaker 1: I would like to just be very careful about feeding

670
00:29:56,394 --> 00:29:57,634
Speaker 1: into that narrative.

671
00:29:58,354 --> 00:30:00,674
Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is what I hate about conversations like this,

672
00:30:00,874 --> 00:30:02,354
Speaker 2: is like, I think there's a way to have a

673
00:30:02,394 --> 00:30:06,354
Speaker 2: conversation about the stigma around weight at different sizes. I

674
00:30:06,394 --> 00:30:09,354
Speaker 2: think there's a a conversation to be had about body inclusivity,

675
00:30:09,874 --> 00:30:12,234
Speaker 2: especially in Hollywood, because we've seen a real slide back

676
00:30:12,274 --> 00:30:15,714
Speaker 2: on that. I never think that you have to use

677
00:30:16,074 --> 00:30:20,314
Speaker 2: specific women or bodies or photos. And I know that

678
00:30:20,354 --> 00:30:22,394
Speaker 2: sounds hard, but I've done it many times. I've written

679
00:30:22,434 --> 00:30:24,874
Speaker 2: a lot about the way we look at bodies, especially

680
00:30:24,874 --> 00:30:28,114
Speaker 2: on famous women, and the way that there's not a

681
00:30:28,154 --> 00:30:30,874
Speaker 2: lot of diversity in the movies and TV shows we're watching.

682
00:30:30,994 --> 00:30:33,234
Speaker 2: And every time I've done that, I have never named

683
00:30:33,234 --> 00:30:36,354
Speaker 2: any specific women, using any specific photos. So for everyone

684
00:30:36,354 --> 00:30:38,794
Speaker 2: who's kind of centering in, I just think there's a

685
00:30:38,794 --> 00:30:42,074
Speaker 2: way to have this conversation without putting a woman or

686
00:30:42,114 --> 00:30:45,594
Speaker 2: like two co stars in the firing line of any

687
00:30:45,674 --> 00:30:48,994
Speaker 2: kind of conversation. It's also not their job to sort

688
00:30:49,034 --> 00:30:53,154
Speaker 2: of advocate for any level of body diversity. That's not

689
00:30:53,154 --> 00:30:56,074
Speaker 2: even a conversation for the Wicked press tour, is what

690
00:30:56,154 --> 00:30:58,394
Speaker 2: I'm thinking. I think there's definitely a conversation to be

691
00:30:58,394 --> 00:31:01,754
Speaker 2: hard about Hollywood body diversity, but this is not the

692
00:31:01,754 --> 00:31:04,034
Speaker 2: place for it. But I also think if people want

693
00:31:04,034 --> 00:31:07,434
Speaker 2: to assign trauma to these women that they themselves have

694
00:31:07,474 --> 00:31:09,314
Speaker 2: brought up a few times and said, like, they haven't

695
00:31:09,314 --> 00:31:11,114
Speaker 2: said the words word trauma bonded, but they have said,

696
00:31:11,154 --> 00:31:14,594
Speaker 2: we've been through so much together. They're talking about things

697
00:31:14,634 --> 00:31:18,034
Speaker 2: they've been through like they are actually on the record,

698
00:31:18,114 --> 00:31:20,194
Speaker 2: and they have for many years talked about things they're

699
00:31:20,234 --> 00:31:22,274
Speaker 2: going through. And I'm like, why don't we look at

700
00:31:22,314 --> 00:31:24,754
Speaker 2: what they're actually saying instead of what their bodies look

701
00:31:24,874 --> 00:31:28,594
Speaker 2: like In this particular case, because Ariana Grande has talked

702
00:31:28,634 --> 00:31:33,554
Speaker 2: about going through really immense post traumatic stress disorder, grief

703
00:31:33,634 --> 00:31:36,234
Speaker 2: and depression at a time when she was making a

704
00:31:36,234 --> 00:31:39,154
Speaker 2: lot of back to back albums and touring, and she

705
00:31:39,234 --> 00:31:40,914
Speaker 2: even has said in a profile to Vogue, I mean

706
00:31:40,954 --> 00:31:43,314
Speaker 2: she said this many times, but just in this particular profile,

707
00:31:43,394 --> 00:31:45,874
Speaker 2: she said, I'm a person who's been through a lot,

708
00:31:45,914 --> 00:31:47,754
Speaker 2: and I don't know what to say about it, even

709
00:31:47,754 --> 00:31:50,354
Speaker 2: to myself, let alone the world. But I'm sort of

710
00:31:50,354 --> 00:31:53,154
Speaker 2: trying to say And she hasn't touched on every piece

711
00:31:53,154 --> 00:31:56,154
Speaker 2: of trauma she's gone through, but not should she have to, No,

712
00:31:56,354 --> 00:31:59,114
Speaker 2: just yet, absolutely not. But she's also you know, she

713
00:31:59,274 --> 00:32:01,914
Speaker 2: was very close friends with Mac Miller before they began

714
00:32:01,954 --> 00:32:05,074
Speaker 2: a romantic relationship and then his death. She has talked

715
00:32:05,074 --> 00:32:08,314
Speaker 2: about hitting her really hard. Also, you know, the Manchester bombings,

716
00:32:08,714 --> 00:32:10,714
Speaker 2: which she still talks about this to this day, being

717
00:32:10,714 --> 00:32:13,514
Speaker 2: this huge trauma that affected her and so many people.

718
00:32:13,874 --> 00:32:16,394
Speaker 2: And again I think that is when she talks about

719
00:32:16,394 --> 00:32:18,554
Speaker 2: trauma and like what happened to her that fan event

720
00:32:18,634 --> 00:32:21,154
Speaker 2: the other day, Like they are intrinsically linked in this

721
00:32:21,234 --> 00:32:23,994
Speaker 2: term of like she doesn't feel safe in a crowd

722
00:32:24,034 --> 00:32:26,554
Speaker 2: and she feels very protective of the crowds around her

723
00:32:26,594 --> 00:32:29,394
Speaker 2: after what she went through, and so I think she's

724
00:32:29,434 --> 00:32:32,674
Speaker 2: talking about that. And Cynthia Arrivo has also said that

725
00:32:32,714 --> 00:32:35,474
Speaker 2: when she met Mariana, they had this instant connection because

726
00:32:35,514 --> 00:32:38,954
Speaker 2: they had this artistic connection, but they also she has

727
00:32:38,994 --> 00:32:41,674
Speaker 2: said that she recognized her as a person who has

728
00:32:41,714 --> 00:32:45,754
Speaker 2: been through so much trauma and essentially needed to be protected.

729
00:32:46,474 --> 00:32:49,034
Speaker 2: And then Cynthia Orrivo, I mean, she has a way

730
00:32:49,154 --> 00:32:52,274
Speaker 2: talked about a lot of things that she's been through

731
00:32:52,274 --> 00:32:54,954
Speaker 2: in her life. But I think we're about to learn

732
00:32:55,074 --> 00:32:58,394
Speaker 2: so much more about Cynthia Arrivo's story. And I think

733
00:32:58,434 --> 00:33:01,514
Speaker 2: it's very telling that this is happening after this huge

734
00:33:01,594 --> 00:33:04,154
Speaker 2: press to her for these incredible movies and like hopefulucial

735
00:33:04,194 --> 00:33:06,114
Speaker 2: Win and Oscar. But she does have a memoir coming

736
00:33:06,114 --> 00:33:08,834
Speaker 2: out called Simply More, and a few of the chapters

737
00:33:08,874 --> 00:33:11,354
Speaker 2: and stories from that book have started being released as

738
00:33:11,394 --> 00:33:13,314
Speaker 2: she does press for it. I mean, she's had this

739
00:33:13,474 --> 00:33:18,074
Speaker 2: crazy successful life that she's also had a really difficult life,

740
00:33:18,194 --> 00:33:21,034
Speaker 2: especially with some of the things to do with her family.

741
00:33:21,154 --> 00:33:24,394
Speaker 2: She talks about being estranged from her father and them

742
00:33:24,554 --> 00:33:27,794
Speaker 2: having this kind of moment where he just left her

743
00:33:27,834 --> 00:33:30,994
Speaker 2: on a train platform and their life has really never

744
00:33:31,034 --> 00:33:32,794
Speaker 2: been the same, and she talks about him not being

745
00:33:32,834 --> 00:33:34,994
Speaker 2: the person who should be her dad and how difficult

746
00:33:35,034 --> 00:33:37,474
Speaker 2: that has been. She talks about having to she's close

747
00:33:37,514 --> 00:33:40,154
Speaker 2: to her mother and sister now but having to rebuild

748
00:33:40,194 --> 00:33:42,914
Speaker 2: relationships with them, and she talks about her family in

749
00:33:42,954 --> 00:33:45,394
Speaker 2: particular and not not accepting her queerness and having to

750
00:33:45,474 --> 00:33:48,154
Speaker 2: hide that, and the trauma she's been through and why

751
00:33:48,234 --> 00:33:50,994
Speaker 2: she's so big on giving back now and she still

752
00:33:50,994 --> 00:33:52,794
Speaker 2: goes back and is like a board member, and like

753
00:33:52,834 --> 00:33:54,554
Speaker 2: the school that she trained at, she goes back and

754
00:33:54,594 --> 00:33:56,634
Speaker 2: visits her old school and all these kind of things.

755
00:33:56,674 --> 00:33:59,194
Speaker 2: Is like, I really think that she's only kind of

756
00:33:59,314 --> 00:34:02,314
Speaker 2: touched on the things she's been through in her life.

757
00:34:02,394 --> 00:34:05,114
Speaker 2: And so I just think that she and Ariana, like, again,

758
00:34:05,434 --> 00:34:06,874
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened to these women. I have

759
00:34:06,874 --> 00:34:09,433
Speaker 2: no way, but I would summise from the story they're

760
00:34:09,473 --> 00:34:12,794
Speaker 2: telling us that I don't think trauma happened to them

761
00:34:12,794 --> 00:34:15,514
Speaker 2: on the Wicked set. I think they were on that set,

762
00:34:15,914 --> 00:34:17,513
Speaker 2: and we know that they were attached to the hip

763
00:34:17,554 --> 00:34:19,393
Speaker 2: on that set for pretty much the majority of the

764
00:34:19,394 --> 00:34:21,953
Speaker 2: time they were filming. Yeah, and then all of the

765
00:34:22,074 --> 00:34:25,714
Speaker 2: trauma that they went through was shared between each other.

766
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Speaker 2: And so when they're walking down those red carpets and

767
00:34:27,994 --> 00:34:30,914
Speaker 2: they're hearing that crazy were of the crowd, they're holding

768
00:34:30,954 --> 00:34:34,154
Speaker 2: onto each other because of every safety Yeah, because of

769
00:34:34,234 --> 00:34:36,354
Speaker 2: the stories they told each other on the set, not

770
00:34:36,354 --> 00:34:38,634
Speaker 2: because something terrible happened to them on the set. As

771
00:34:38,634 --> 00:34:39,993
Speaker 2: far as I do, I mean I wasn't there.

772
00:34:40,034 --> 00:34:42,794
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I can imagine how challenging it would

773
00:34:42,834 --> 00:34:45,754
Speaker 1: be to be in those situations where it is very overwhelming.

774
00:34:46,074 --> 00:34:48,194
Speaker 1: You and I were at that premiere in City at

775
00:34:48,194 --> 00:34:51,354
Speaker 1: the State Theater for the original Wicked. It was insane.

776
00:34:51,394 --> 00:34:54,234
Speaker 1: Can you imagine being yelled at like that day after

777
00:34:54,314 --> 00:34:57,234
Speaker 1: day after day? I can't. Those movie premieers give me

778
00:34:57,634 --> 00:34:58,514
Speaker 1: over stimulated.

779
00:34:58,634 --> 00:35:01,393
Speaker 2: Absolutely, those movie premiers give me so much. Just I

780
00:35:01,394 --> 00:35:02,873
Speaker 2: didn't go to one this week because I'm like, I

781
00:35:02,914 --> 00:35:05,594
Speaker 2: might really stressed this week and busy, and so there

782
00:35:05,634 --> 00:35:07,594
Speaker 2: was a huge premiere here in Sydney, and I just

783
00:35:07,674 --> 00:35:10,114
Speaker 2: knew it would be people knocking into each other and

784
00:35:10,114 --> 00:35:13,034
Speaker 2: people screaming. And I've been at that location before and

785
00:35:13,154 --> 00:35:15,274
Speaker 2: have nearly had the barricades tip on top of me

786
00:35:15,354 --> 00:35:17,714
Speaker 2: because people were trying to trample my body to get

787
00:35:17,714 --> 00:35:19,714
Speaker 2: to the movie star next to me. I'm not saying, oh,

788
00:35:19,834 --> 00:35:21,433
Speaker 2: poor me, I have to go to premieres, but I'm

789
00:35:21,474 --> 00:35:23,554
Speaker 2: just saying, like, even as someone who's not involved in it,

790
00:35:23,554 --> 00:35:25,634
Speaker 2: who's just there, like, those events are a lot and

791
00:35:25,634 --> 00:35:28,354
Speaker 2: I think if they're happening to a person who's already

792
00:35:28,474 --> 00:35:31,513
Speaker 2: quite in a stressful situation, you're the center of it,

793
00:35:32,074 --> 00:35:34,314
Speaker 2: that would be a lot. But yeah, I just think

794
00:35:34,314 --> 00:35:37,554
Speaker 2: it's interesting how the narrative around the lead actresses of

795
00:35:37,554 --> 00:35:40,154
Speaker 2: Wicked has kind of changed. And I've got to say,

796
00:35:40,194 --> 00:35:40,834
Speaker 2: I don't love it.

797
00:35:40,874 --> 00:35:42,953
Speaker 1: I don't love it either. It's become just.

798
00:35:43,074 --> 00:35:45,274
Speaker 2: Like, don't we all remember we love Wicked. If we

799
00:35:45,314 --> 00:35:48,034
Speaker 2: love Wicked, we love them like that's it.

800
00:35:48,274 --> 00:35:50,034
Speaker 1: I do feel like it's a bit of a result

801
00:35:50,154 --> 00:35:53,514
Speaker 1: of people just like trying to find conspiracy theorys in everything,

802
00:35:53,634 --> 00:35:55,234
Speaker 1: like there always has to be some kind.

803
00:35:55,114 --> 00:35:56,553
Speaker 2: And we can never keep a happy story.

804
00:35:56,594 --> 00:35:58,674
Speaker 1: We've got to put that, you know, that spooky music

805
00:35:58,754 --> 00:36:00,794
Speaker 1: that people have on TikTok, Like, let's put that over

806
00:36:00,834 --> 00:36:03,194
Speaker 1: every single interaction that anyone has with anyone, and we

807
00:36:03,194 --> 00:36:06,594
Speaker 1: can create a conspiracy theory. So I agree with you.

808
00:36:06,714 --> 00:36:10,354
Speaker 1: Let's enjoy Wicked for what it is. These two incredible

809
00:36:10,394 --> 00:36:14,274
Speaker 1: actors who have portrayed these iconic characters, and they've had

810
00:36:14,314 --> 00:36:16,754
Speaker 1: to say goodbye to them, which is very sad for us.

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00:36:16,834 --> 00:36:18,914
Speaker 1: Although I have heard rumors that this potentially could be

812
00:36:18,954 --> 00:36:20,473
Speaker 1: a third I mean, I would love that, but.

813
00:36:20,434 --> 00:36:22,834
Speaker 2: I would love I know, I know all I would say,

814
00:36:22,874 --> 00:36:25,834
Speaker 2: like I just they're definitely getting nominated for Oscars, and

815
00:36:26,354 --> 00:36:27,834
Speaker 2: so all I'm saying to all of you people out

816
00:36:27,874 --> 00:36:29,714
Speaker 2: there making the weird tiktoks is that this best not

817
00:36:29,794 --> 00:36:32,154
Speaker 2: carry over to their Oscar moment, because I just want

818
00:36:32,194 --> 00:36:35,074
Speaker 2: that to be them hugging on the red carpet, them

819
00:36:35,154 --> 00:36:37,314
Speaker 2: singing on stage. They both got their original songs which

820
00:36:37,314 --> 00:36:38,794
Speaker 2: will me nominate it, and I just want it to

821
00:36:38,794 --> 00:36:41,314
Speaker 2: be like this, like beautiful, crazy love fest that theater

822
00:36:41,394 --> 00:36:44,354
Speaker 2: kids like live for and just like leave the NASSA.

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00:36:44,514 --> 00:36:47,274
Speaker 1: Thank this for a really long time. Thank you so

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00:36:47,354 --> 00:36:50,074
Speaker 1: much for listening to the Spill today. If you love

825
00:36:50,194 --> 00:36:52,194
Speaker 1: Wicked like Laura and I do, make sure you go

826
00:36:52,234 --> 00:36:55,154
Speaker 1: and check out our watch party on Wicked for Good.

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Speaker 1: We'll pop that link in the show notes. And if

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Speaker 1: you've been affected by anything that we've spoken about today,

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Speaker 1: we do have a number of resources in our show notes,

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Speaker 1: including the Butterfly Foundation. The Spill is produced by Minicia

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Speaker 1: iswa Own with sound production by Scott Stronach.

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Speaker 3: Bye Bye, Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land.

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Speaker 2: We have recorded this podcast on the Gadigol people of

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Speaker 2: the Oronation. We pay our respects to their elders past

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Speaker 2: and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and

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Speaker 2: Torres Strait Islander cultures.