1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:10,514 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma mea. 2 00:00:10,353 --> 00:00:21,474 Speaker 2: Podcast from Mama Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily 3 00:00:21,514 --> 00:00:23,913 Speaker 2: pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura Brodnick. 4 00:00:23,514 --> 00:00:26,154 Speaker 1: And I'm Dad provis and coming up on the show. 5 00:00:25,954 --> 00:00:30,754 Speaker 2: Today, we have some devastating I'm gonna cry already. There 6 00:00:30,754 --> 00:00:33,633 Speaker 2: have some devastating TV news that we had to wait 7 00:00:33,714 --> 00:00:35,833 Speaker 2: until after the Oscars to talk about, also because I 8 00:00:35,833 --> 00:00:39,754 Speaker 2: personally needed to process it. I've had no joke fifty 9 00:00:39,793 --> 00:00:43,193 Speaker 2: three as of this morning, messages from podcast listeners about 10 00:00:43,193 --> 00:00:46,434 Speaker 2: this wanting us to speak on it. It's happening today, guys, just. 11 00:00:46,593 --> 00:00:49,114 Speaker 1: Mean checking in if you're okay, Hi that doo. 12 00:00:49,233 --> 00:00:51,514 Speaker 2: I've never had tony welfare checks from people who don't 13 00:00:51,553 --> 00:00:53,153 Speaker 2: know me, and I appreciate you all. I'm trying to 14 00:00:53,193 --> 00:00:57,074 Speaker 2: get back to everyone. Plus, Harper Beckham is launching a 15 00:00:57,114 --> 00:01:00,234 Speaker 2: beauty line allegedly, but there is a paper trail and 16 00:01:00,354 --> 00:01:02,594 Speaker 2: we have some very gentle words that she's going to 17 00:01:02,634 --> 00:01:05,034 Speaker 2: need to hear. But first, do you have an update? 18 00:01:05,234 --> 00:01:06,434 Speaker 1: Yes, we have an update. 19 00:01:06,594 --> 00:01:09,434 Speaker 3: A few weeks ago, we first spoke about the fallout 20 00:01:09,474 --> 00:01:12,474 Speaker 3: of the Kyle and Jackieyo drama. Obviously we saw the 21 00:01:12,554 --> 00:01:16,994 Speaker 3: duo have this fallout on air, which led to JACKIEA refusing. 22 00:01:16,674 --> 00:01:19,474 Speaker 1: To work with Kyle. Her contract was terminated. 23 00:01:19,754 --> 00:01:23,914 Speaker 3: Wein saw ARN issue a notice of misconduct to Kyle 24 00:01:23,954 --> 00:01:28,034 Speaker 3: where he had fourteen days to rectify the breach of conduct. 25 00:01:28,314 --> 00:01:31,114 Speaker 3: And now we have an update on the news that's unfolding. 26 00:01:31,154 --> 00:01:33,234 Speaker 3: And I feel like every week we have seen a 27 00:01:33,274 --> 00:01:35,953 Speaker 3: new headline off the back of this story. 28 00:01:36,074 --> 00:01:37,874 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean every week that you're here. I'm not 29 00:01:37,914 --> 00:01:39,634 Speaker 2: to say this morning, he waits, so you have your 30 00:01:39,714 --> 00:01:41,434 Speaker 2: day on this skill to issue his statement. 31 00:01:41,874 --> 00:01:43,554 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm becoming a bit of an expert. 32 00:01:43,634 --> 00:01:47,234 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're on, Kyle correspond and I love that decision. 33 00:01:47,314 --> 00:01:51,194 Speaker 3: Day finally landed and ARN has now issued an official 34 00:01:51,314 --> 00:01:55,354 Speaker 3: termination of Kyl Sandalan's contract with the network, and they've 35 00:01:55,394 --> 00:01:57,674 Speaker 3: announced that Kyle and Jackie OO will no longer be 36 00:01:57,754 --> 00:02:00,594 Speaker 3: going to air. And of course Kyl has followed this 37 00:02:00,714 --> 00:02:02,914 Speaker 3: up with his own statement today, so we'll. 38 00:02:02,794 --> 00:02:03,714 Speaker 1: Read part of it now. 39 00:02:04,074 --> 00:02:06,874 Speaker 3: So he first starts by sharing the Aaron has announced 40 00:02:06,874 --> 00:02:09,834 Speaker 3: the donation of his contract and that he doesn't accept it. 41 00:02:09,874 --> 00:02:11,314 Speaker 3: He then goes on to share a bit more detail 42 00:02:11,314 --> 00:02:14,234 Speaker 3: on the notice period. So he claims they first sat Jackie, 43 00:02:14,514 --> 00:02:17,034 Speaker 3: they suspended him. They wouldn't even let him pick up 44 00:02:17,074 --> 00:02:18,994 Speaker 3: the phone to call her or go on the show 45 00:02:18,994 --> 00:02:21,314 Speaker 3: with anyone else, and then he says it basically made 46 00:02:21,354 --> 00:02:24,034 Speaker 3: it impossible for the show to go on. Every solution 47 00:02:24,114 --> 00:02:26,154 Speaker 3: he kind of provided, they would turn around and say, 48 00:02:26,154 --> 00:02:29,274 Speaker 3: you didn't fix it, you're fired, in his words. But 49 00:02:29,354 --> 00:02:31,354 Speaker 3: we know that Kyle's going to fight it. The contract 50 00:02:31,434 --> 00:02:34,074 Speaker 3: was meant to go until twenty thirty four. He's got 51 00:02:34,154 --> 00:02:36,954 Speaker 3: rights under this contract, he says, and Aaron hasn't honored 52 00:02:36,954 --> 00:02:39,194 Speaker 3: the contract, so it's over to his lawyers. 53 00:02:39,274 --> 00:02:40,794 Speaker 1: At this point, he claims. 54 00:02:40,834 --> 00:02:42,514 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this is coming off the back of 55 00:02:42,874 --> 00:02:45,154 Speaker 2: so many weeks of headlines and back and forth and 56 00:02:45,234 --> 00:02:48,314 Speaker 2: him being off air, and it's been interesting because he 57 00:02:48,354 --> 00:02:50,474 Speaker 2: and Jackie Oh. Obviously, she had put out a statement 58 00:02:50,514 --> 00:02:52,994 Speaker 2: previously alleging that the way that things had gone down 59 00:02:53,034 --> 00:02:55,874 Speaker 2: the network was not really what happened, and that the 60 00:02:56,034 --> 00:02:59,353 Speaker 2: news of her quitting was, in her words, not true, 61 00:02:59,674 --> 00:03:02,633 Speaker 2: and that she was looking into different recourses. And we've 62 00:03:02,634 --> 00:03:04,434 Speaker 2: seen Kyle sort of talk a little bit about it 63 00:03:04,474 --> 00:03:06,194 Speaker 2: in the lead up to this. That's been the thing 64 00:03:06,194 --> 00:03:08,434 Speaker 2: because he and Jackie O or already such kind of 65 00:03:08,514 --> 00:03:12,034 Speaker 2: magnets for media attention. They always had people following them, 66 00:03:12,074 --> 00:03:14,793 Speaker 2: but this last week it's sort of moved into these 67 00:03:14,874 --> 00:03:18,634 Speaker 2: almost like catastrophic levels of like media coverage where they've 68 00:03:18,674 --> 00:03:21,794 Speaker 2: both had paparazzi and photographers and journalists camped outside their 69 00:03:21,794 --> 00:03:24,874 Speaker 2: homes following them everywhere. I haven't seen Jackie O talk 70 00:03:24,994 --> 00:03:27,594 Speaker 2: to any of the people following her. But before he 71 00:03:27,594 --> 00:03:29,314 Speaker 2: put up this statement, and before I think they were 72 00:03:29,314 --> 00:03:31,794 Speaker 2: waiting for ARN to put out their decision of whether 73 00:03:31,834 --> 00:03:33,754 Speaker 2: he was going back on air or not. I saw 74 00:03:33,794 --> 00:03:36,034 Speaker 2: our videos of Kyle Sandalanz come in front of his 75 00:03:36,074 --> 00:03:38,514 Speaker 2: house just because it's like he's giving media conferences outside 76 00:03:38,514 --> 00:03:41,634 Speaker 2: his house now because the camp of people out there 77 00:03:41,794 --> 00:03:43,834 Speaker 2: that he has to wade through is just quite insane. 78 00:03:43,874 --> 00:03:45,434 Speaker 2: So he doesn't even have to jump on Instagram now. 79 00:03:45,474 --> 00:03:48,594 Speaker 2: He just walks outside and there's ten journalists waiting yet, 80 00:03:48,914 --> 00:03:52,034 Speaker 2: waiting to take his statement. And so prior to putting 81 00:03:52,034 --> 00:03:53,954 Speaker 2: out this statement, he said that he was hoping to 82 00:03:53,994 --> 00:03:55,794 Speaker 2: get back on air. He's like, I have a contract 83 00:03:55,834 --> 00:03:58,154 Speaker 2: with ARN, I'm going to honor it. I want to 84 00:03:58,154 --> 00:04:00,314 Speaker 2: get my listeners want me back. So it's sort of 85 00:04:00,354 --> 00:04:02,714 Speaker 2: seemed up until the very last minute that he was 86 00:04:02,794 --> 00:04:05,354 Speaker 2: very much pushing to go back on air and pushing 87 00:04:05,354 --> 00:04:07,834 Speaker 2: to either present with Daki, present with another person as 88 00:04:07,834 --> 00:04:10,114 Speaker 2: long as he was back in his radio show. And 89 00:04:10,154 --> 00:04:12,994 Speaker 2: then this statement has come out basically saying his contract 90 00:04:12,994 --> 00:04:15,034 Speaker 2: has been terminated and that he and his lawyers are 91 00:04:15,034 --> 00:04:15,754 Speaker 2: going to fight it. 92 00:04:16,194 --> 00:04:18,474 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it seemed like he was really expecting 93 00:04:18,514 --> 00:04:20,594 Speaker 3: the show to just go on. Jackie and him have 94 00:04:20,634 --> 00:04:22,754 Speaker 3: clushed a lot over the years, so it didn't seem 95 00:04:22,753 --> 00:04:24,833 Speaker 3: like it was anything out of the ordinary for them. 96 00:04:25,113 --> 00:04:28,354 Speaker 3: But I wonder how things transpired over the past week 97 00:04:28,393 --> 00:04:31,193 Speaker 3: and if there were those signs. He was live on 98 00:04:31,234 --> 00:04:34,993 Speaker 3: Australian idol, you know, announcing that he's got some interviews 99 00:04:34,993 --> 00:04:36,274 Speaker 3: for Low's coming up because. 100 00:04:36,034 --> 00:04:37,914 Speaker 2: He's going to be wearing a suit. That's the thing. 101 00:04:37,953 --> 00:04:40,234 Speaker 2: He can't sort of just completely lay Low because he 102 00:04:40,313 --> 00:04:42,753 Speaker 2: is filming television with a straight isle at the moment. 103 00:04:42,834 --> 00:04:44,474 Speaker 2: So he kind of made a bit of a joke 104 00:04:44,513 --> 00:04:46,953 Speaker 2: about yet looking for a job, and Amy Shark's like, 105 00:04:46,953 --> 00:04:48,674 Speaker 2: I'll be a reference, So like that's all happening, is 106 00:04:48,714 --> 00:04:51,033 Speaker 2: part of TV. But it's not interesting how much this 107 00:04:51,073 --> 00:04:53,273 Speaker 2: story has changed over two weeks because when we first 108 00:04:53,354 --> 00:04:54,794 Speaker 2: chatted it out of the day it happened. We were 109 00:04:54,834 --> 00:04:56,833 Speaker 2: just like, oh, it's just colleagues having a little tiff, 110 00:04:56,993 --> 00:04:59,513 Speaker 2: like you know, and things happened. It'll be fine. And 111 00:04:59,553 --> 00:05:01,794 Speaker 2: then the news came out that JACKIEO had quit. Then 112 00:05:01,834 --> 00:05:04,714 Speaker 2: her statement came out saying that that wasn't true, and 113 00:05:04,753 --> 00:05:06,954 Speaker 2: then Kyle came out and said that he had been 114 00:05:07,154 --> 00:05:09,274 Speaker 2: talking with Jackie, which I always thought was the most 115 00:05:09,354 --> 00:05:11,953 Speaker 2: interesting part because we knew from the day it happened. 116 00:05:12,034 --> 00:05:13,834 Speaker 2: He put out a statement saying he had texted her 117 00:05:13,834 --> 00:05:17,113 Speaker 2: to apologize. But then Kyle came out and his allegation 118 00:05:17,393 --> 00:05:19,474 Speaker 2: was and this is all allegations from both sides, because 119 00:05:19,474 --> 00:05:21,073 Speaker 2: we don't know what happened. We're just saying what's been 120 00:05:21,113 --> 00:05:23,993 Speaker 2: put out in like official media statements, is that he 121 00:05:24,073 --> 00:05:26,553 Speaker 2: said that he and Jackie O have been talking, and 122 00:05:26,553 --> 00:05:28,794 Speaker 2: that they were both told not to speak to each 123 00:05:28,794 --> 00:05:31,313 Speaker 2: other about it, and that they both were given like 124 00:05:31,393 --> 00:05:35,433 Speaker 2: essentially different information and now they're talking and sharing information. 125 00:05:35,553 --> 00:05:37,753 Speaker 2: So I would love to know what those conversations alike. 126 00:05:37,794 --> 00:05:41,073 Speaker 2: They haven't said, but it just it does seem that, yeah, 127 00:05:41,113 --> 00:05:42,993 Speaker 2: I know, I would love to be in that conversation. 128 00:05:42,993 --> 00:05:45,113 Speaker 2: I wouldn't evenaund the spill. I just want to know. Yeah, 129 00:05:45,154 --> 00:05:46,754 Speaker 2: I would love to know what's in those conversations. But 130 00:05:46,794 --> 00:05:49,474 Speaker 2: I also think it's so interesting that it was very 131 00:05:49,553 --> 00:05:51,633 Speaker 2: much at the start like Kyle verse Jackie, and now 132 00:05:51,674 --> 00:05:54,353 Speaker 2: it seems that they have sort of come back together 133 00:05:54,433 --> 00:05:56,393 Speaker 2: behind the scenes in a way, even if it's just 134 00:05:56,433 --> 00:05:59,193 Speaker 2: talking as colleagues, and then it's sort of become like 135 00:05:59,313 --> 00:06:02,474 Speaker 2: now them versus arn and what's happening in that situation. 136 00:06:02,633 --> 00:06:04,634 Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely feels like that's how it's transpired. 137 00:06:04,674 --> 00:06:06,993 Speaker 3: I think I was most shocked when Jackie's statement came 138 00:06:07,193 --> 00:06:08,914 Speaker 3: out and she did Yeah, you know, I. 139 00:06:08,914 --> 00:06:11,314 Speaker 1: Was surprised that her contract was terminated. 140 00:06:11,714 --> 00:06:13,993 Speaker 3: I'm really interested to see, like how the rest of 141 00:06:14,034 --> 00:06:16,834 Speaker 3: it will play out. And I can understand, like from 142 00:06:16,914 --> 00:06:20,233 Speaker 3: Kyle's perspective, if your colleague has left the show doesn't 143 00:06:20,274 --> 00:06:22,873 Speaker 3: want to work with you, what do you do? 144 00:06:22,993 --> 00:06:23,634 Speaker 2: What do you do? Then? 145 00:06:23,714 --> 00:06:26,113 Speaker 3: Because you're still there, you're ready to work. You've got 146 00:06:26,113 --> 00:06:28,914 Speaker 3: this million dollar deal on the table. I'm not surprised 147 00:06:28,953 --> 00:06:29,794 Speaker 3: that he wants. 148 00:06:29,594 --> 00:06:31,513 Speaker 1: To fight it, and that's fair enough exactly. 149 00:06:31,553 --> 00:06:32,833 Speaker 2: I feel like we're going to be talking about this 150 00:06:32,834 --> 00:06:34,794 Speaker 2: for a very very long time, which is fair enough 151 00:06:34,794 --> 00:06:37,314 Speaker 2: because there's so much at stake. Obviously, Aaron is a 152 00:06:37,393 --> 00:06:39,993 Speaker 2: huge business and they have shareholders to answer to. Kyle 153 00:06:39,993 --> 00:06:42,313 Speaker 2: and JACKIEO have been in this business for over twenty 154 00:06:42,354 --> 00:06:45,394 Speaker 2: years together, the most powerful radio duo in Australia, and 155 00:06:45,594 --> 00:06:49,074 Speaker 2: they have these huge contracts worth a huge amount of 156 00:06:49,154 --> 00:06:52,674 Speaker 2: money that still had many, many many years left on them. 157 00:06:52,674 --> 00:06:54,914 Speaker 2: And it's also their reputation at stake. Like, there's just 158 00:06:54,953 --> 00:06:56,393 Speaker 2: a lot. I think this is going to become like 159 00:06:56,433 --> 00:06:59,913 Speaker 2: a bigger legal issue as it goes forward, and yeah, 160 00:06:59,953 --> 00:07:01,113 Speaker 2: it's going to be a long ride. 161 00:07:01,113 --> 00:07:02,073 Speaker 1: Well hear it first from me. 162 00:07:04,714 --> 00:07:06,433 Speaker 2: This is going to be difficult for me to talk about, 163 00:07:06,513 --> 00:07:09,433 Speaker 2: but I mean it's I'm here for you. Over the weekend, 164 00:07:09,953 --> 00:07:12,393 Speaker 2: in my jet lag, just got back from New York K's. 165 00:07:12,474 --> 00:07:13,953 Speaker 2: In the middle of the night, I opened my phone 166 00:07:13,953 --> 00:07:16,114 Speaker 2: to check have I been asleep for twenty minutes or 167 00:07:16,434 --> 00:07:17,194 Speaker 2: six hours? 168 00:07:17,194 --> 00:07:18,874 Speaker 1: Hard to say you're in a vulnerable place. 169 00:07:18,953 --> 00:07:20,994 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was at such a vulnerable place and I 170 00:07:21,034 --> 00:07:24,754 Speaker 2: opened my phone and there was a video from one 171 00:07:24,914 --> 00:07:29,674 Speaker 2: Sarah Michelle Geller saying some very upsetting news that the 172 00:07:29,714 --> 00:07:33,194 Speaker 2: Buffy the Vampire Slayer reboot, that fans have been wanting 173 00:07:33,274 --> 00:07:35,994 Speaker 2: for at least twenty years. That has been in development 174 00:07:35,994 --> 00:07:36,954 Speaker 2: for over four years. 175 00:07:36,953 --> 00:07:37,474 Speaker 1: That's crazy. 176 00:07:37,514 --> 00:07:41,074 Speaker 2: The pilot was shot, everyone was excited for it. I 177 00:07:41,074 --> 00:07:44,713 Speaker 2: had mixed emotions, but we'll get that. It was a 178 00:07:44,754 --> 00:07:47,793 Speaker 2: done deal as far as everyone's concerned. And then Sarah 179 00:07:47,794 --> 00:07:51,354 Speaker 2: Michelle Geller put up a video announcing that it was canceled. 180 00:07:51,634 --> 00:07:53,874 Speaker 4: So I am really sad to have to share this, 181 00:07:54,074 --> 00:07:57,794 Speaker 4: but I wanted you all to hear it from me. Unfortunately, 182 00:07:58,514 --> 00:08:02,154 Speaker 4: Hulu has decided not to move forward with Buffy New Sunnydale. 183 00:08:03,154 --> 00:08:06,913 Speaker 4: I want to thank Chloe Joo because I never thought 184 00:08:07,154 --> 00:08:11,074 Speaker 4: I would find myself back in Buffy's stylish yet affordable boots, 185 00:08:11,714 --> 00:08:14,794 Speaker 4: and thanks to Chloe, I was reminded how much I 186 00:08:14,874 --> 00:08:17,994 Speaker 4: love her and how much she means not only to me, 187 00:08:18,154 --> 00:08:21,474 Speaker 4: but to all of you. Then this doesn't change any 188 00:08:21,514 --> 00:08:26,314 Speaker 4: of that, and I promise if the apocalypse actually comes, 189 00:08:26,994 --> 00:08:27,833 Speaker 4: it could still beat me. 190 00:08:28,074 --> 00:08:30,434 Speaker 2: Okay, so until that last line, I'm watching this video 191 00:08:30,434 --> 00:08:31,594 Speaker 2: of the middle of the nine. To that last line, 192 00:08:31,634 --> 00:08:33,034 Speaker 2: I was kind of I think I was just in shock. 193 00:08:33,754 --> 00:08:36,474 Speaker 2: But when she said when the apocalypse comes, you can 194 00:08:36,514 --> 00:08:39,954 Speaker 2: still beat me, I just started like ugly crying, the 195 00:08:39,994 --> 00:08:42,434 Speaker 2: most ugly cry of my life, because that is such 196 00:08:42,474 --> 00:08:45,634 Speaker 2: an important line from the first season of Buffy, where 197 00:08:45,714 --> 00:08:47,114 Speaker 2: because she's a teenage girl and she wants to have 198 00:08:47,154 --> 00:08:48,594 Speaker 2: a party and go on a date, but she also 199 00:08:48,954 --> 00:08:50,794 Speaker 2: saved the world. So she's like, I'm just gonna go 200 00:08:50,834 --> 00:08:53,114 Speaker 2: out and party and if the apocalypse comes, beat me. 201 00:08:53,234 --> 00:08:55,834 Speaker 2: Pre cell phones, someone had to beat her pager, she'd 202 00:08:55,914 --> 00:08:58,194 Speaker 2: go find a payphone. It was a whole thing. So, Okay, 203 00:08:58,194 --> 00:08:59,554 Speaker 2: here's a question. I'm not going to yell at you, 204 00:08:59,594 --> 00:09:02,194 Speaker 2: so please answer truthfully. Have you ever watched Buffy? 205 00:09:02,314 --> 00:09:05,194 Speaker 3: No? Actually, I think I would have been very young, 206 00:09:05,674 --> 00:09:07,074 Speaker 3: and it would like ply on daytime. 207 00:09:07,234 --> 00:09:08,833 Speaker 2: I wonder if you were even alive because I was 208 00:09:08,874 --> 00:09:11,034 Speaker 2: in primary school. It came out in nineteen ninety seven. 209 00:09:11,514 --> 00:09:15,114 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was alive six, so I was one. Yeah, 210 00:09:15,114 --> 00:09:17,714 Speaker 2: so you went up on the current pop culture show. Yeah, 211 00:09:17,754 --> 00:09:20,234 Speaker 2: so this is this show is going back into the art. Yes, 212 00:09:20,554 --> 00:09:22,834 Speaker 2: this TV show. I don't say this slightly changed my life. 213 00:09:22,834 --> 00:09:24,674 Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people will pivotal think 214 00:09:24,754 --> 00:09:26,914 Speaker 2: like that, especially if they're like elder millennials like me. 215 00:09:27,154 --> 00:09:29,474 Speaker 2: Is that I remember just like flicking it on, like 216 00:09:29,514 --> 00:09:31,474 Speaker 2: the Family t Room. The first night it came on, 217 00:09:31,794 --> 00:09:34,074 Speaker 2: I was in primary school. I was terrified of this 218 00:09:34,114 --> 00:09:36,074 Speaker 2: show because of vampires. But I was like, I had 219 00:09:36,274 --> 00:09:40,234 Speaker 2: never seen anything like it before, of this like not 220 00:09:40,314 --> 00:09:42,834 Speaker 2: just like the humor and like everything. It touched on everything, 221 00:09:42,834 --> 00:09:45,674 Speaker 2: but just like the idea was that all the movies 222 00:09:45,674 --> 00:09:47,754 Speaker 2: and TV shows prior to that with these young beautiful 223 00:09:47,754 --> 00:09:50,514 Speaker 2: women going down dark alleyways and getting killed by monsters 224 00:09:50,834 --> 00:09:52,834 Speaker 2: or being saved by men. And so the idea, which 225 00:09:52,874 --> 00:09:55,274 Speaker 2: came from Joss Wheden problematic man, but he did create 226 00:09:55,314 --> 00:09:57,874 Speaker 2: everything I love in this world. The idea was what 227 00:09:57,914 --> 00:10:00,034 Speaker 2: if that woman turned around and beat the shit out 228 00:10:00,034 --> 00:10:02,114 Speaker 2: of that monster? And so that was the premise for 229 00:10:02,154 --> 00:10:04,674 Speaker 2: this universe. So Buffy ran from nineteen ninety seven to 230 00:10:04,714 --> 00:10:08,474 Speaker 2: two thousand and three. Sarah meschall G played Buffy and Summers, 231 00:10:08,474 --> 00:10:10,954 Speaker 2: but it was a huge ensemble clast, and the idea 232 00:10:11,154 --> 00:10:13,554 Speaker 2: was that like in every generation, a slayer is born, 233 00:10:13,634 --> 00:10:16,074 Speaker 2: So like a teenage girl with superpowers who stands against 234 00:10:16,074 --> 00:10:19,874 Speaker 2: the monsters. Yeah, So honestly, you could watch I always 235 00:10:19,874 --> 00:10:22,274 Speaker 2: caveat it's a little difficult to watch just because of 236 00:10:22,314 --> 00:10:24,194 Speaker 2: like how old it is. For the first season, but 237 00:10:24,274 --> 00:10:25,234 Speaker 2: just put that out in mind. 238 00:10:25,394 --> 00:10:26,234 Speaker 1: I'm happy to commit. 239 00:10:26,434 --> 00:10:29,834 Speaker 2: The storylines and the human everything holds up so well. 240 00:10:29,994 --> 00:10:31,794 Speaker 2: Like you, you'll just be like, I've never seen anything. 241 00:10:31,834 --> 00:10:34,554 Speaker 2: It's the most studied TV show in the world. There's 242 00:10:34,674 --> 00:10:37,634 Speaker 2: more college courses and unicorses and high school courses on 243 00:10:37,674 --> 00:10:39,954 Speaker 2: Buffy than anything else in the world. I digris, this 244 00:10:39,994 --> 00:10:43,274 Speaker 2: is not a Buffy situation. So when the show finished, 245 00:10:43,314 --> 00:10:46,274 Speaker 2: everyone obviously wanted it to continue. It had spin off 246 00:10:46,314 --> 00:10:48,314 Speaker 2: some things, but Sarah Michelle Gallo, who played Buffy, was 247 00:10:48,314 --> 00:10:50,514 Speaker 2: always like, the story is done, We're not doing it. 248 00:10:50,994 --> 00:10:53,674 Speaker 2: When all the other shows around that time started getting rebooted, 249 00:10:53,674 --> 00:10:55,514 Speaker 2: she always said, no, no, no, we're not doing that. 250 00:10:56,074 --> 00:10:58,474 Speaker 2: So it was huge news when she said that Oscar 251 00:10:58,514 --> 00:11:01,634 Speaker 2: winning director Chloe Jao had come to her because obviously 252 00:11:01,674 --> 00:11:05,994 Speaker 2: Chloe incredible filmmaker, incredible storyteller, woman of taste of obviously 253 00:11:06,034 --> 00:11:08,754 Speaker 2: Buffy is her favorite show because every good person, clever 254 00:11:08,834 --> 00:11:11,074 Speaker 2: person in the world, Buffy is their favorite shop. And 255 00:11:11,114 --> 00:11:13,994 Speaker 2: so she came to Sarah Michelle Geller with an idea 256 00:11:14,074 --> 00:11:17,074 Speaker 2: that was so she just felt was right, And so 257 00:11:17,154 --> 00:11:21,034 Speaker 2: they started developing Buffy New Sunnydale and they shot the 258 00:11:21,074 --> 00:11:23,234 Speaker 2: pilot and they cast a new Slayer to come and 259 00:11:23,274 --> 00:11:25,754 Speaker 2: star alongside Sarah Michelle Gell, and it's been a huge 260 00:11:25,794 --> 00:11:30,314 Speaker 2: deal until this announcement came out that it was dead insane. 261 00:11:30,354 --> 00:11:33,234 Speaker 3: I also heard that there had even been rewrites of 262 00:11:33,274 --> 00:11:35,514 Speaker 3: the pilots, so it's something they've kind of really been 263 00:11:35,554 --> 00:11:36,794 Speaker 3: working on and refined. 264 00:11:36,794 --> 00:11:39,114 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, Like this has been in the works for 265 00:11:39,154 --> 00:11:42,394 Speaker 2: such a long time. Here's where things get so messy. 266 00:11:42,714 --> 00:11:45,314 Speaker 2: So pilots don't get picked up all the time, that's 267 00:11:45,354 --> 00:11:48,074 Speaker 2: just a normal thing. Pilots get made, whole seasons get made, 268 00:11:48,074 --> 00:11:51,474 Speaker 2: and they don't get picked up. Something about this, something 269 00:11:51,514 --> 00:11:53,954 Speaker 2: has happened behind the scenes that is different to the 270 00:11:53,954 --> 00:11:56,754 Speaker 2: normal TV process for a number of reasons. So Sarah 271 00:11:56,754 --> 00:12:00,314 Speaker 2: Michelle Geller after she put that statement out, which I 272 00:12:00,354 --> 00:12:03,114 Speaker 2: saw on another news site's website, because I didn'tollow Sarah 273 00:12:03,114 --> 00:12:05,634 Speaker 2: Michelle Geller. She's one of my favorite people in the world, 274 00:12:05,674 --> 00:12:07,274 Speaker 2: and she's the best actress in the world. But I 275 00:12:07,314 --> 00:12:09,274 Speaker 2: just don't I like to think of her as Buffy. Okay, 276 00:12:09,314 --> 00:12:11,074 Speaker 2: you don't want to cross the world. No, I don't 277 00:12:11,114 --> 00:12:12,874 Speaker 2: like to do the Fourth Wall, no, no, no, no. 278 00:12:12,914 --> 00:12:15,074 Speaker 2: I just think if Sarah Michelle Geller exists, then Buffy 279 00:12:15,074 --> 00:12:16,634 Speaker 2: and Summers doesn't exist. You know what I mean. It's 280 00:12:16,634 --> 00:12:19,954 Speaker 2: a complicated situation, just like you know what we're daily movie. Yeah, 281 00:12:19,994 --> 00:12:22,234 Speaker 2: but I've been all on this. So at the moment, 282 00:12:22,314 --> 00:12:24,434 Speaker 2: Sarah Michelle Geller is starring in the new Ready or 283 00:12:24,514 --> 00:12:27,234 Speaker 2: Not movie, so she's doing a lot of press and 284 00:12:27,274 --> 00:12:29,154 Speaker 2: so she had a lot of interviews and things booked in, 285 00:12:29,194 --> 00:12:32,114 Speaker 2: and in a new interview with People magazine, she gave 286 00:12:32,154 --> 00:12:34,434 Speaker 2: a bit more context about what it actually led to 287 00:12:34,474 --> 00:12:37,074 Speaker 2: the new Buffy rebeet getting canceled. And I think every 288 00:12:37,114 --> 00:12:39,194 Speaker 2: single person, whether you like Buffy or not, should be 289 00:12:39,194 --> 00:12:42,474 Speaker 2: furious about this because, first of all, it's the way 290 00:12:42,514 --> 00:12:44,874 Speaker 2: they told her. So she got the phone call that 291 00:12:44,954 --> 00:12:48,074 Speaker 2: the Buffy reboot was not moving ahead just as she 292 00:12:48,154 --> 00:12:50,314 Speaker 2: was about to step on stage to do at south 293 00:12:50,314 --> 00:12:52,634 Speaker 2: By Southwest, which she's never been to before, and she's 294 00:12:52,634 --> 00:12:54,554 Speaker 2: back in acting in a huge way that she hasn't 295 00:12:54,594 --> 00:12:57,354 Speaker 2: been in finili a decade. Huge moment for her. She 296 00:12:57,394 --> 00:13:00,474 Speaker 2: gets the call from the same studio doing her new movie, 297 00:13:00,554 --> 00:13:03,674 Speaker 2: so they knew that as she's going out to do 298 00:13:03,714 --> 00:13:05,714 Speaker 2: this huge press one, this huge moment in her life. 299 00:13:05,794 --> 00:13:07,794 Speaker 2: She gets the news that the pilot for Buffy has 300 00:13:07,794 --> 00:13:11,194 Speaker 2: been canceled. And she also said it was very telling 301 00:13:11,234 --> 00:13:13,994 Speaker 2: that they also did it on Oscar's weekend where Chloe 302 00:13:14,074 --> 00:13:16,954 Speaker 2: jal was doing her big victory lat for Hamnet. She 303 00:13:17,074 --> 00:13:19,474 Speaker 2: was the only female director nominated. She was doing a 304 00:13:19,514 --> 00:13:22,394 Speaker 2: lot of pres she's walking the red carpet. She directed 305 00:13:22,394 --> 00:13:25,074 Speaker 2: the Best Actress winner Jesse Buckley, So that was her 306 00:13:25,234 --> 00:13:28,074 Speaker 2: weekend and it was so telling, Sarah, this is coming 307 00:13:28,074 --> 00:13:31,034 Speaker 2: from Sarah Michelle Geller, so telling that they decided to 308 00:13:31,034 --> 00:13:33,314 Speaker 2: do that during a weekend when both those women would 309 00:13:33,354 --> 00:13:36,314 Speaker 2: have to be public facing and answering all these questions 310 00:13:36,354 --> 00:13:38,354 Speaker 2: and having to talk about it and also not knowing 311 00:13:38,354 --> 00:13:41,234 Speaker 2: what's going on. The second thing, and God help this 312 00:13:41,354 --> 00:13:43,394 Speaker 2: man if his name ever gets out now, the second 313 00:13:43,434 --> 00:13:45,794 Speaker 2: thing is that Sarah Michelle Geller said that one of 314 00:13:45,794 --> 00:13:49,594 Speaker 2: the top executives working on the new Buffy reboot proudly 315 00:13:49,594 --> 00:13:52,634 Speaker 2: would say during the whole process, during filming, during everything, 316 00:13:52,914 --> 00:13:55,034 Speaker 2: that he had never watched the original Buffy and he 317 00:13:55,074 --> 00:13:57,634 Speaker 2: didn't care too because the show wasn't for him. So, 318 00:13:57,714 --> 00:14:00,634 Speaker 2: how in the hell is that man charged with bringing 319 00:14:00,674 --> 00:14:02,674 Speaker 2: this show back? And what did he do behind the 320 00:14:02,714 --> 00:14:05,194 Speaker 2: scenes to kill it because it's very hard to get 321 00:14:05,234 --> 00:14:07,754 Speaker 2: people to watch the TV shows, and a lot of 322 00:14:07,754 --> 00:14:10,274 Speaker 2: people are saying, like, what if the Buffy reboot was bad? 323 00:14:10,594 --> 00:14:12,714 Speaker 2: I can't imagine how it would be bad with Sarah, 324 00:14:12,714 --> 00:14:16,514 Speaker 2: Michelle Geller and Oscar winning filmmaker. I don't know how 325 00:14:16,514 --> 00:14:18,634 Speaker 2: it would be bad. But even if it would be bad, 326 00:14:18,994 --> 00:14:22,674 Speaker 2: it would make Hulu so much money, and money is 327 00:14:22,714 --> 00:14:25,514 Speaker 2: what matters in the TV industry. So what has happened 328 00:14:25,554 --> 00:14:28,114 Speaker 2: behind the scenes to stop this pilot from going forward? 329 00:14:28,354 --> 00:14:30,874 Speaker 2: It makes no sense. I know it was a light 330 00:14:30,874 --> 00:14:31,554 Speaker 2: thing to say no. 331 00:14:31,794 --> 00:14:34,194 Speaker 1: That was all important, and your feelings are valid, I know. 332 00:14:35,354 --> 00:14:35,914 Speaker 1: Take a breath. 333 00:14:37,274 --> 00:14:39,194 Speaker 2: So she starts crying on the pod. Wouldn't be the 334 00:14:39,194 --> 00:14:40,034 Speaker 2: first time this week? 335 00:14:41,074 --> 00:14:43,834 Speaker 1: Yeah, so interesting, especially with this exec. I don't know. 336 00:14:43,914 --> 00:14:46,034 Speaker 1: I would not be walking around saying that proudly. 337 00:14:46,314 --> 00:14:49,354 Speaker 3: You're just announcing that you've not researched anything that you're 338 00:14:49,394 --> 00:14:50,314 Speaker 3: investing time. 339 00:14:50,154 --> 00:14:53,994 Speaker 2: In exactly if you'd watched Buffy. It just makes so 340 00:14:54,074 --> 00:14:56,234 Speaker 2: much sense that a man would ruin it. Yeah, like 341 00:14:56,274 --> 00:14:57,954 Speaker 2: that just really ties into it. And can I just 342 00:14:57,994 --> 00:15:01,674 Speaker 2: say I didn't even want this show to happen. I 343 00:15:01,794 --> 00:15:03,474 Speaker 2: was really on the fence of it. I mean I 344 00:15:03,514 --> 00:15:04,954 Speaker 2: was gonna watch and support it. I was going to 345 00:15:04,994 --> 00:15:07,274 Speaker 2: take a month off work and like really process it. 346 00:15:07,274 --> 00:15:08,554 Speaker 2: It came out I hadn't told me when to work that, 347 00:15:08,794 --> 00:15:12,314 Speaker 2: but my calendar is free now. I was not completely 348 00:15:12,354 --> 00:15:14,474 Speaker 2: on board with it because I just thought, like, it's 349 00:15:14,474 --> 00:15:19,914 Speaker 2: a perfect television show. Also, yeah, it is so sacred 350 00:15:19,994 --> 00:15:21,554 Speaker 2: and like a lot of the people involved in it 351 00:15:21,554 --> 00:15:24,194 Speaker 2: were super problematic, and so they've been like shunned from Hollywood, 352 00:15:24,234 --> 00:15:27,194 Speaker 2: like Jo Sweden, but it was still his universe and 353 00:15:27,234 --> 00:15:29,194 Speaker 2: I'm like, how does it come back without that? And 354 00:15:29,314 --> 00:15:31,394 Speaker 2: also as much as I love Sarah Michelle Geller and 355 00:15:31,434 --> 00:15:33,314 Speaker 2: she is Buffy and she is the center of the show, 356 00:15:33,714 --> 00:15:35,834 Speaker 2: the real success in key of Buffy was it was 357 00:15:35,834 --> 00:15:39,034 Speaker 2: a huge ensemble show and a lot of those actors 358 00:15:39,034 --> 00:15:42,874 Speaker 2: either don't work anymore. Michelle Chatzenberg, who played Buffy's little 359 00:15:42,874 --> 00:15:44,914 Speaker 2: sister on the show, very sadly passed away over a 360 00:15:44,994 --> 00:15:47,034 Speaker 2: year ago, and I just was like, I don't think 361 00:15:47,034 --> 00:15:50,074 Speaker 2: we should unearth all this. Saying all that, though, I 362 00:15:50,154 --> 00:15:52,954 Speaker 2: was like fully backing Sarah Michelle Geller, like she is Buffy, 363 00:15:52,994 --> 00:15:55,034 Speaker 2: she knows best. And I was like, I don't personally 364 00:15:55,034 --> 00:15:57,114 Speaker 2: want this, but if she wants it, I will back 365 00:15:57,154 --> 00:16:00,634 Speaker 2: her all the way. And I just I just want 366 00:16:00,674 --> 00:16:03,434 Speaker 2: this man, everyone involved to be held accountable for what 367 00:16:03,474 --> 00:16:05,754 Speaker 2: I can only say is a very bad business decision, 368 00:16:05,834 --> 00:16:08,634 Speaker 2: not even a bad creative decision, a bad business decision. 369 00:16:09,074 --> 00:16:09,874 Speaker 1: And what are the. 370 00:16:09,874 --> 00:16:11,914 Speaker 3: Chances of it being picked up again? Or they they 371 00:16:11,954 --> 00:16:12,874 Speaker 3: have the rights to it? 372 00:16:13,074 --> 00:16:15,194 Speaker 2: I mean they haven't sort of given like all the 373 00:16:15,194 --> 00:16:18,714 Speaker 2: contractual information around who owns the different IP and property 374 00:16:18,794 --> 00:16:21,354 Speaker 2: like search lights involved. But also it was going on Hulu, 375 00:16:21,834 --> 00:16:24,554 Speaker 2: so there's a lot there. I don't believe, and I 376 00:16:24,554 --> 00:16:26,274 Speaker 2: could be wrong about this. I don't believe Sarah, Michelle 377 00:16:26,274 --> 00:16:29,154 Speaker 2: Gella and Chloe Zhao like their production companies have the rights. 378 00:16:29,194 --> 00:16:31,554 Speaker 2: So I don't think they can shop it to another network, 379 00:16:31,634 --> 00:16:33,674 Speaker 2: because when you own the IP, you can shop it 380 00:16:33,714 --> 00:16:35,994 Speaker 2: to other networks. If one network doesn't put it up 381 00:16:36,034 --> 00:16:39,634 Speaker 2: and they doesn't do a full series order, it's your IP, 382 00:16:39,794 --> 00:16:43,154 Speaker 2: so you can shop it around. Buffy Vampire Slayer is 383 00:16:43,194 --> 00:16:45,754 Speaker 2: not their IP. They don't own it. They were just 384 00:16:46,514 --> 00:16:49,634 Speaker 2: charged with bringing it back, with bringing the character and 385 00:16:49,634 --> 00:16:52,154 Speaker 2: the licensing and everything back, So I think it would 386 00:16:52,154 --> 00:16:55,474 Speaker 2: be a pretty tangled Web for another network to pick 387 00:16:55,514 --> 00:16:58,554 Speaker 2: it up. But I mean, maybe it's the pilot is shot. 388 00:16:59,434 --> 00:17:01,634 Speaker 2: It's sitting in I know they're different companies, ones Hula 389 00:17:01,674 --> 00:17:03,034 Speaker 2: and one's Disney. I guess they're all owned by the 390 00:17:03,034 --> 00:17:05,954 Speaker 2: same people. It's sitting in a cabinet somewhere with the 391 00:17:05,994 --> 00:17:10,593 Speaker 2: filmed Lizzie McGuire reboot. Like that's so released them. Some 392 00:17:10,714 --> 00:17:13,234 Speaker 2: man has got those all in a cabinet somewhere. Lizzie 393 00:17:13,274 --> 00:17:16,194 Speaker 2: mcgui not going ahead. I understand because Disney felt the 394 00:17:16,234 --> 00:17:19,754 Speaker 2: portrayal in the new series was not keeping in line 395 00:17:19,834 --> 00:17:22,314 Speaker 2: with like the Disney brand. And while I think that's 396 00:17:22,314 --> 00:17:24,874 Speaker 2: a bad business decision, I understand because that's brand protection. 397 00:17:24,954 --> 00:17:28,513 Speaker 2: But brand protection wasn't a thing with Buffy. Yeah, so 398 00:17:28,554 --> 00:17:30,474 Speaker 2: they've just decided, and I'm getting really passionate. 399 00:17:31,314 --> 00:17:33,914 Speaker 3: We have an I Carly reboot, Yes, like, why do 400 00:17:33,994 --> 00:17:34,594 Speaker 3: we have that? 401 00:17:34,754 --> 00:17:37,273 Speaker 2: We have that? And like, I know, I'm not watched Nykylie. 402 00:17:37,274 --> 00:17:39,674 Speaker 2: I'm sure it's great. I'm happy for those people, but 403 00:17:39,714 --> 00:17:43,634 Speaker 2: I'm just saying, which man is locking up our history 404 00:17:43,674 --> 00:17:46,194 Speaker 2: and life and our right in these cabinets that we 405 00:17:46,234 --> 00:17:48,714 Speaker 2: can't watch these reboots? Yeah, it does feel very when 406 00:17:48,714 --> 00:17:51,754 Speaker 2: the women are involved, like Hillary Duffin and Sarah Michelle 407 00:17:51,794 --> 00:17:53,914 Speaker 2: Gella and like their teams are pushing it and being 408 00:17:53,914 --> 00:17:55,154 Speaker 2: like this is what we want to put out and 409 00:17:55,314 --> 00:17:58,514 Speaker 2: the fans want it again, it comes down to money. 410 00:17:58,554 --> 00:18:00,554 Speaker 2: Like people keep saying like, well, the Buffy rout must 411 00:18:00,554 --> 00:18:02,594 Speaker 2: have been bad, and I was like, have you seen 412 00:18:02,634 --> 00:18:06,074 Speaker 2: what they put on TV? Right now? Do we see 413 00:18:06,114 --> 00:18:10,154 Speaker 2: all's fair? Like bad Hulu? Bad doesn't figure in. 414 00:18:10,194 --> 00:18:11,674 Speaker 1: Everyone will be watching it exactly. 415 00:18:12,954 --> 00:18:16,714 Speaker 2: You can't be political, exactly, you can't buy that level 416 00:18:16,754 --> 00:18:21,314 Speaker 2: of built in audience. So I just I hope it comes. 417 00:18:21,394 --> 00:18:22,994 Speaker 2: I didn't even want it, and now I would like 418 00:18:23,114 --> 00:18:25,194 Speaker 2: lay down my life for it because I just think 419 00:18:25,194 --> 00:18:29,354 Speaker 2: it's principle. It's right and wrong about Houssy teaches us 420 00:18:29,634 --> 00:18:31,794 Speaker 2: and it was so Sarah Michelle gellar mean, I love 421 00:18:31,834 --> 00:18:34,594 Speaker 2: her to the point that I can't ever be she wasn't. 422 00:18:34,434 --> 00:18:35,794 Speaker 1: The only love her as Buffy. 423 00:18:35,914 --> 00:18:38,513 Speaker 2: I love you, I love her, I love her as 424 00:18:38,514 --> 00:18:41,634 Speaker 2: an actress. I love everything. I've watched everything she's ever in. 425 00:18:41,914 --> 00:18:43,634 Speaker 2: I love her as a person. I agree with everything 426 00:18:43,714 --> 00:18:45,833 Speaker 2: she says. I just don't like to interact with her. 427 00:18:45,994 --> 00:18:47,874 Speaker 2: Once she came to Sydney and she was staying in 428 00:18:47,874 --> 00:18:50,033 Speaker 2: my neighborhood and going to restaurants near me, and I 429 00:18:50,074 --> 00:18:52,674 Speaker 2: had to be house bound for two weeks because I 430 00:18:52,754 --> 00:18:54,353 Speaker 2: didn't leave because I don't want to see her. 431 00:18:54,554 --> 00:18:56,033 Speaker 1: You're true, you don't want to you don't want to 432 00:18:56,034 --> 00:18:57,274 Speaker 1: meet your idols do No. 433 00:18:57,274 --> 00:18:59,114 Speaker 2: No, I didn't want to put my eyes on her, 434 00:18:59,474 --> 00:19:02,914 Speaker 2: so I didn't go to any of my favorite I 435 00:19:02,994 --> 00:19:05,914 Speaker 2: know that I meet so many famous people, but they're 436 00:19:05,954 --> 00:19:06,234 Speaker 2: not her. 437 00:19:06,554 --> 00:19:07,514 Speaker 1: I got a drill line. 438 00:19:07,674 --> 00:19:09,874 Speaker 2: I know. I just want her to stay Buffy forever. 439 00:19:10,114 --> 00:19:13,794 Speaker 2: So that's what's happened with that. So we don't Yeah, 440 00:19:13,874 --> 00:19:16,754 Speaker 2: I mean, but me and millions and millions of people. 441 00:19:16,834 --> 00:19:20,394 Speaker 2: The outror around this has been very intense. Sarah Michelle 442 00:19:20,394 --> 00:19:22,474 Speaker 2: Gaella did finish this interview People magazine where she was 443 00:19:22,514 --> 00:19:24,474 Speaker 2: explaining it all again because she has to because she's 444 00:19:24,514 --> 00:19:26,794 Speaker 2: doing press for her new movie, and she's like, I'm 445 00:19:26,794 --> 00:19:28,754 Speaker 2: just gonna hold my head high and move forward because 446 00:19:28,754 --> 00:19:32,434 Speaker 2: that's what Buffy would do. So true. So I guess 447 00:19:32,434 --> 00:19:34,354 Speaker 2: if anyone hasn't watched Buffy, now's your time. 448 00:19:34,554 --> 00:19:37,354 Speaker 1: I'm ready. Oh my god, I would love you, like. 449 00:19:37,354 --> 00:19:40,313 Speaker 2: It is so iconic and so incredible and just so entertaining. 450 00:19:40,354 --> 00:19:41,354 Speaker 2: It's not one of those shows you have to like, 451 00:19:41,394 --> 00:19:42,954 Speaker 2: I have to push through this. Just be aware. The 452 00:19:42,994 --> 00:19:46,194 Speaker 2: special effects are like thirty years old, so did you 453 00:19:46,234 --> 00:19:48,313 Speaker 2: give it a moment? But as the show goes on, 454 00:19:48,434 --> 00:19:51,874 Speaker 2: they just say hold up. So that's it. That's it, 455 00:19:51,914 --> 00:19:53,674 Speaker 2: and God help that man if his name gets out. 456 00:19:53,674 --> 00:19:57,874 Speaker 2: That's all I say on that. Okay, onto some equally, 457 00:19:57,994 --> 00:20:00,114 Speaker 2: I mean, not as important, but I won't freak out 458 00:20:00,114 --> 00:20:06,194 Speaker 2: of yeah, yeah, okay. So Harper Beckham, the only daughter 459 00:20:06,234 --> 00:20:09,634 Speaker 2: of Victoria and d Beckham and their youngest child, is 460 00:20:09,874 --> 00:20:12,594 Speaker 2: launching a skincare line and a beauty line. So she 461 00:20:12,754 --> 00:20:15,114 Speaker 2: hasn't come out and officially said this, and like her 462 00:20:15,154 --> 00:20:18,434 Speaker 2: parents haven't, but the paperwork has been filed and a 463 00:20:18,474 --> 00:20:21,834 Speaker 2: lot of insiders and sources have been talking to different 464 00:20:21,834 --> 00:20:25,074 Speaker 2: publications about it, which is very interesting because sometimes Victoria 465 00:20:25,074 --> 00:20:27,354 Speaker 2: and David are so old school that they do share 466 00:20:27,434 --> 00:20:31,434 Speaker 2: news through sources and tabloids and things like that. We 467 00:20:31,474 --> 00:20:34,394 Speaker 2: saw that very much with the whole Brooklyn and Nicola thing, 468 00:20:34,474 --> 00:20:37,234 Speaker 2: that so much of the information came from them and 469 00:20:37,274 --> 00:20:39,074 Speaker 2: then more came from Brooklyn. So I feel like he's 470 00:20:39,194 --> 00:20:42,394 Speaker 2: very also, very into the whole sources thing. So allegedly 471 00:20:42,474 --> 00:20:44,834 Speaker 2: this skincare line is going to be aimed at gen 472 00:20:44,954 --> 00:20:47,594 Speaker 2: Z and gen Alpha and it is said to be 473 00:20:47,634 --> 00:20:51,273 Speaker 2: inspired by South Korean cosmetics and is going to launch 474 00:20:51,394 --> 00:20:54,434 Speaker 2: later this year. So back in October of last year, 475 00:20:54,754 --> 00:20:56,914 Speaker 2: it came out and there's like paperwork to show this 476 00:20:57,314 --> 00:21:01,434 Speaker 2: that the Beckham family had trademarked the name Haiku by Harper, 477 00:21:01,834 --> 00:21:04,594 Speaker 2: which was the first kind of hint that this beauty 478 00:21:04,634 --> 00:21:08,154 Speaker 2: line was upcoming. Them Trademarking things and their kids' names 479 00:21:08,274 --> 00:21:11,474 Speaker 2: is a pretty normal thing. They trademarked all their kids' 480 00:21:11,554 --> 00:21:14,194 Speaker 2: names as soon as they were born. They trademark all 481 00:21:14,194 --> 00:21:17,434 Speaker 2: the different variations of them. You probably remember that when 482 00:21:17,474 --> 00:21:21,154 Speaker 2: Brooklyn put out that huge statement about his parents and 483 00:21:21,274 --> 00:21:23,513 Speaker 2: them controlling his life, that one of the things he 484 00:21:23,594 --> 00:21:26,394 Speaker 2: said is that they were having a fight, like on 485 00:21:26,474 --> 00:21:29,554 Speaker 2: the day of his wedding to Nicola Pelt's over the 486 00:21:29,594 --> 00:21:31,834 Speaker 2: trademark of his name because it's his name, but it's 487 00:21:31,834 --> 00:21:34,033 Speaker 2: also trademarked by them and it's linked to the bigger 488 00:21:34,074 --> 00:21:37,674 Speaker 2: family brand. So that is what we know. Fourteen year 489 00:21:37,674 --> 00:21:42,033 Speaker 2: old Harper Beckham is launching a skincare line called Haiku Thoughts, Feelings, 490 00:21:42,274 --> 00:21:43,114 Speaker 2: I think fourty. 491 00:21:44,514 --> 00:21:46,313 Speaker 1: Firstly, it's insane because she's fourteen. 492 00:21:46,354 --> 00:21:49,514 Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I bought my first like cleanser at fourteen, 493 00:21:49,554 --> 00:21:52,354 Speaker 3: and she's coming out with a whole skincare line. 494 00:21:52,554 --> 00:21:55,194 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I understand that, Like, especially now, I 495 00:21:55,234 --> 00:21:58,114 Speaker 2: know kids are much more into skincare than they were 496 00:21:58,154 --> 00:22:00,354 Speaker 2: back now day and like ten year olds asking for 497 00:22:00,434 --> 00:22:04,434 Speaker 2: beauty fridges and mecha vouchers and all that sort of stuff. Yeah. Interesting. 498 00:22:04,474 --> 00:22:07,314 Speaker 2: I think at fourteen I was still using the Apricot scrub, yeah, 499 00:22:07,354 --> 00:22:08,234 Speaker 2: by my mom, and that's it. 500 00:22:08,754 --> 00:22:11,154 Speaker 3: I remember I went to the Easter show and one 501 00:22:11,194 --> 00:22:13,273 Speaker 3: of the show bags had like cleanser in it, and 502 00:22:13,274 --> 00:22:14,313 Speaker 3: that was my first cleanser. 503 00:22:14,474 --> 00:22:15,914 Speaker 1: That was as far as I was, like, oh my god, 504 00:22:15,994 --> 00:22:16,354 Speaker 1: I'm gread. 505 00:22:16,354 --> 00:22:18,634 Speaker 2: I think I've at like fourteen, skipped skin care and 506 00:22:18,634 --> 00:22:19,994 Speaker 2: I would just go and take my mum's like some 507 00:22:20,034 --> 00:22:22,434 Speaker 2: of your makeup, like an old Cover girl lipstick and 508 00:22:22,474 --> 00:22:25,234 Speaker 2: put that on. So we're not beauty moguls. I'm not 509 00:22:25,234 --> 00:22:28,034 Speaker 2: easy to say, but yeah, I feel like Harper Beckham 510 00:22:28,714 --> 00:22:30,434 Speaker 2: because I'm not just because of her age, but also 511 00:22:30,474 --> 00:22:33,073 Speaker 2: because of being Victoria Beckham's daughter, and Victoria Beckham has 512 00:22:33,074 --> 00:22:35,914 Speaker 2: a really successful beauty line. They're sort of sort of 513 00:22:35,914 --> 00:22:37,793 Speaker 2: shaping her up to be everyone's calling her the new 514 00:22:37,874 --> 00:22:41,114 Speaker 2: Kylie Jenner. Yeah, they're trying to make Harper Beckham do 515 00:22:41,354 --> 00:22:44,474 Speaker 2: for gen Z what Kylie Jenner did for younger millennials 516 00:22:44,514 --> 00:22:45,234 Speaker 2: with her lip kits. 517 00:22:45,754 --> 00:22:46,434 Speaker 1: What's interesting. 518 00:22:46,434 --> 00:22:48,874 Speaker 3: I've a couple of thoughts on this. Obviously she's so young, 519 00:22:49,114 --> 00:22:52,434 Speaker 3: so what expertise. I guess when you're bringing a brand 520 00:22:52,474 --> 00:22:54,234 Speaker 3: to life, you want to have a sense of like 521 00:22:54,314 --> 00:22:56,794 Speaker 3: authenticity behind it. I guess this is a brand that's 522 00:22:56,834 --> 00:22:59,954 Speaker 3: going to be marketed towards gen Z and jen Alpha, 523 00:23:00,114 --> 00:23:02,194 Speaker 3: so I guess she can come at it from that perspective. 524 00:23:02,354 --> 00:23:05,474 Speaker 3: And she's already done a bit with our Victoria Beckham's 525 00:23:05,474 --> 00:23:07,114 Speaker 3: brand online. 526 00:23:06,634 --> 00:23:08,354 Speaker 1: Through to Beckham Socials. 527 00:23:08,834 --> 00:23:12,274 Speaker 3: But I think it's interesting that it is inspired by 528 00:23:12,594 --> 00:23:15,114 Speaker 3: South Korean skin care and beauty. 529 00:23:15,554 --> 00:23:17,754 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the name is Japanese. 530 00:23:18,394 --> 00:23:20,714 Speaker 2: Yeah. I want to unpack that. That was the big 531 00:23:20,754 --> 00:23:23,434 Speaker 2: red flag for me, not that she's fourteen and launching 532 00:23:23,434 --> 00:23:25,513 Speaker 2: a beauty mion, because you know what, when you're the 533 00:23:25,594 --> 00:23:27,034 Speaker 2: child with Beckhams. 534 00:23:26,994 --> 00:23:29,034 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, I've been nepoing. 535 00:23:29,314 --> 00:23:31,874 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. If you're the child, the Beckham's putting 536 00:23:31,874 --> 00:23:33,914 Speaker 2: your name on something, because I don't think she's sitting 537 00:23:33,954 --> 00:23:36,754 Speaker 2: at a desk at night figuring out business plans and 538 00:23:36,754 --> 00:23:40,874 Speaker 2: that she's formulating its No, no, no, Her parents have just 539 00:23:40,874 --> 00:23:42,874 Speaker 2: like talked to her about this. They put her name 540 00:23:42,874 --> 00:23:46,234 Speaker 2: on it. I understand that. But inspired by the Korean 541 00:23:46,274 --> 00:23:48,714 Speaker 2: beauty industry I find quite problematic. 542 00:23:48,874 --> 00:23:50,914 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a bit of a dangerous territory. 543 00:23:51,154 --> 00:23:55,834 Speaker 3: Obviously, Korean beauty and Asian beauty practices and tools, products, 544 00:23:55,954 --> 00:23:59,954 Speaker 3: ingredients have been widely popular in the Western world. I 545 00:23:59,954 --> 00:24:02,674 Speaker 3: feel like a lot of brands are introducing elements of that, 546 00:24:02,754 --> 00:24:05,314 Speaker 3: and it's become something that a lot of brands will, 547 00:24:05,514 --> 00:24:09,034 Speaker 3: you know, cultural mining. So it's interesting to see that 548 00:24:09,034 --> 00:24:12,273 Speaker 3: that's something she'll be tapping into. Because when things like 549 00:24:12,314 --> 00:24:16,154 Speaker 3: that become a trend, it offered, waters it down and 550 00:24:16,194 --> 00:24:19,714 Speaker 3: you lose a lot of the culture and the history 551 00:24:19,954 --> 00:24:24,194 Speaker 3: behind it. So being someone that would have little to 552 00:24:24,314 --> 00:24:26,194 Speaker 3: know surely relation. 553 00:24:26,114 --> 00:24:29,954 Speaker 1: To Korea, I just can't really see, you know, that 554 00:24:30,074 --> 00:24:31,794 Speaker 1: fine line she's walking between. 555 00:24:32,314 --> 00:24:35,394 Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is the thing about this whole situation 556 00:24:35,594 --> 00:24:38,114 Speaker 2: is like, I'm not even angry. It's Harper Beckham Halper 557 00:24:38,154 --> 00:24:40,833 Speaker 2: seven Beckham. You got ainger out before. Yeah, I got 558 00:24:40,874 --> 00:24:43,793 Speaker 2: it all out before. And now I just think that 559 00:24:43,874 --> 00:24:46,834 Speaker 2: someone needs to gently take Harper Beckham aside and say 560 00:24:46,874 --> 00:24:49,394 Speaker 2: to her, this is not a good idea. Yeah, and 561 00:24:49,434 --> 00:24:51,554 Speaker 2: because again I was you're saying, I understand why she's 562 00:24:51,594 --> 00:24:54,634 Speaker 2: doing it. All her family, like all her siblings have 563 00:24:54,874 --> 00:24:57,994 Speaker 2: businesses and things attach their names. She sees her parents 564 00:24:58,034 --> 00:25:00,474 Speaker 2: do it. I'm sure she's very into skincare and beauty, 565 00:25:00,714 --> 00:25:02,994 Speaker 2: but one slapping your name on a brand and then 566 00:25:03,114 --> 00:25:06,314 Speaker 2: co opting essentially a different culture's beauty regime because there's 567 00:25:06,314 --> 00:25:09,594 Speaker 2: a difference between like white women buying cream beauty and skincare. 568 00:25:09,634 --> 00:25:13,234 Speaker 2: It's a billion dollar industry. It's another thing to take 569 00:25:13,754 --> 00:25:17,434 Speaker 2: those products and those ideas and sell them under your 570 00:25:17,434 --> 00:25:20,714 Speaker 2: own name and then also put a Japanese name on 571 00:25:20,794 --> 00:25:23,874 Speaker 2: top of it. It's very it's giving. It's given kimono 572 00:25:23,914 --> 00:25:27,754 Speaker 2: by Kim Kardashian. Do you remember that situation? Who oh, okay, wow, 573 00:25:27,834 --> 00:25:30,154 Speaker 2: this has become one of those things and like business 574 00:25:30,354 --> 00:25:32,914 Speaker 2: like a business practice lesson, like everyone's always like when 575 00:25:32,914 --> 00:25:35,874 Speaker 2: they're trademarking names and names and stuff. Remember kimono. So 576 00:25:36,074 --> 00:25:39,834 Speaker 2: when before Kim Kardashian had skims. It was called kimono, 577 00:25:40,394 --> 00:25:42,874 Speaker 2: and obviously it's a play on the name Kim, and 578 00:25:43,034 --> 00:25:44,394 Speaker 2: it was meant to be the name of her like 579 00:25:44,474 --> 00:25:48,314 Speaker 2: shapewear line. And obviously there was a huge outcry because 580 00:25:48,474 --> 00:25:51,834 Speaker 2: that is a very important traditional name, and she letters 581 00:25:51,834 --> 00:25:54,513 Speaker 2: were sent and and she had to come out and 582 00:25:54,554 --> 00:25:56,354 Speaker 2: say and like this is like fair enough of her. 583 00:25:56,594 --> 00:25:58,954 Speaker 2: I made a mistake. I never should have called it kimono. 584 00:25:59,154 --> 00:26:01,474 Speaker 2: That's not my culture. I'm co opting it. I didn't 585 00:26:01,514 --> 00:26:03,674 Speaker 2: understand the significance of that name and the term and 586 00:26:03,954 --> 00:26:06,353 Speaker 2: the heritage of it. I now do. And even though 587 00:26:06,394 --> 00:26:08,154 Speaker 2: it's going to cost me a huge amount of money 588 00:26:08,194 --> 00:26:11,154 Speaker 2: and I have to reprint all my stock and change 589 00:26:11,154 --> 00:26:13,154 Speaker 2: all my advertising business, I'm going to do it because 590 00:26:13,154 --> 00:26:15,394 Speaker 2: I cannot use kimono. So she took a bit of 591 00:26:15,394 --> 00:26:16,833 Speaker 2: a hit. I mean, she's fine, but you know it 592 00:26:16,914 --> 00:26:19,194 Speaker 2: is when launching a business, it is like, yeah, should 593 00:26:19,314 --> 00:26:21,593 Speaker 2: you consider it was all out in the world as kimono. 594 00:26:21,674 --> 00:26:22,994 Speaker 2: And then she had to really little back in and 595 00:26:22,994 --> 00:26:25,394 Speaker 2: call it skims. But that is what happens when you 596 00:26:25,434 --> 00:26:29,234 Speaker 2: don't look into the like connotations of a name you're using. 597 00:26:29,234 --> 00:26:32,273 Speaker 2: When it has so much history and so haiku by Harper, 598 00:26:32,754 --> 00:26:34,874 Speaker 2: I think it's going to have a similar situation. But again, 599 00:26:35,234 --> 00:26:39,074 Speaker 2: were talking about it yet, like, well, I wonder if 600 00:26:39,194 --> 00:26:41,474 Speaker 2: if now that this it's only the paperwork that's been 601 00:26:41,554 --> 00:26:44,714 Speaker 2: filed and sauces coming out and saying to different publications. 602 00:26:44,754 --> 00:26:45,674 Speaker 1: So and I think you're right. 603 00:26:45,794 --> 00:26:47,834 Speaker 3: I think they've leaked this because I was trying to 604 00:26:47,874 --> 00:26:51,194 Speaker 3: dig into why do we know that there's this alleged 605 00:26:51,234 --> 00:26:51,794 Speaker 3: photo shoot? 606 00:26:52,114 --> 00:26:52,834 Speaker 1: Yeah, who said this? 607 00:26:53,354 --> 00:26:57,034 Speaker 2: Yes, the photoshoot that's happened to promote the brand and everything. Yeah, 608 00:26:57,074 --> 00:26:58,553 Speaker 2: it's interesting. I feel like a lot of things with 609 00:26:58,594 --> 00:27:01,114 Speaker 2: that famous family just maybe can't always stay secret when 610 00:27:01,154 --> 00:27:03,154 Speaker 2: they leak it or not. So sometimes they do, so 611 00:27:03,194 --> 00:27:05,474 Speaker 2: we should say at the time of recording Halper seven 612 00:27:05,514 --> 00:27:07,553 Speaker 2: and Victoria or David, none of them put out an 613 00:27:07,554 --> 00:27:10,674 Speaker 2: official statement, but the paperwork has been made public that 614 00:27:10,754 --> 00:27:13,634 Speaker 2: this trademark has been filed with the idea for it 615 00:27:13,674 --> 00:27:15,594 Speaker 2: to be used as a beauty brand. But yeah, I 616 00:27:15,634 --> 00:27:17,313 Speaker 2: just think someone needs to take that girl aside and 617 00:27:17,354 --> 00:27:19,634 Speaker 2: be like, I know this sounds like a good idea, 618 00:27:19,754 --> 00:27:22,314 Speaker 2: but just think about like, you know, but I also 619 00:27:22,474 --> 00:27:25,314 Speaker 2: think that like she's seen her parents do it with Brooklyn, 620 00:27:25,674 --> 00:27:27,834 Speaker 2: and that didn't end well for him in many ways. 621 00:27:27,874 --> 00:27:30,114 Speaker 1: About to say she's hot sauce brand. 622 00:27:29,954 --> 00:27:31,554 Speaker 2: I know, well, he's hot sauce bread. I think is 623 00:27:31,594 --> 00:27:33,194 Speaker 2: the first thing that's actually made him some money. And 624 00:27:33,234 --> 00:27:35,234 Speaker 2: I think it's because he has zero involvement nor knowledge 625 00:27:35,234 --> 00:27:37,033 Speaker 2: of what hot source is and so it's kind of 626 00:27:37,034 --> 00:27:39,994 Speaker 2: going ahead. But also, Brooklyn Beckham and I do love 627 00:27:40,034 --> 00:27:42,634 Speaker 2: that sweet boy so much was a laughing stock for 628 00:27:42,794 --> 00:27:45,074 Speaker 2: the like a decade and kind of still is a 629 00:27:45,114 --> 00:27:47,914 Speaker 2: little bit people have forgotten. But like I understand, I 630 00:27:47,994 --> 00:27:49,793 Speaker 2: too would have been Brooklyn Beckham if I was in 631 00:27:49,794 --> 00:27:52,513 Speaker 2: that situation. If I was like a teenager or a 632 00:27:52,514 --> 00:27:54,834 Speaker 2: young adult and my parents came to me and said, oh, 633 00:27:54,874 --> 00:27:56,914 Speaker 2: we got you a book deal for a photography book. 634 00:27:56,954 --> 00:27:59,554 Speaker 2: I would have put my terrible, shitty, dark Mallory photos 635 00:27:59,554 --> 00:28:02,274 Speaker 2: in a book and yeah, you're like, it's not giving 636 00:28:02,274 --> 00:28:03,354 Speaker 2: me a book deal. I would have done it. I 637 00:28:03,354 --> 00:28:05,314 Speaker 2: would have thought, I look ridiculous and I'm going to 638 00:28:05,354 --> 00:28:07,394 Speaker 2: be mocked for the rest of my life. I would 639 00:28:07,434 --> 00:28:08,954 Speaker 2: have done what my parents told me and put my 640 00:28:09,034 --> 00:28:10,594 Speaker 2: name on it. I would have put my name on 641 00:28:10,634 --> 00:28:12,434 Speaker 2: a whole cooking project I would have tried to be 642 00:28:12,474 --> 00:28:14,474 Speaker 2: a chef, even though I can't cook, and I don't 643 00:28:14,514 --> 00:28:16,434 Speaker 2: know the names of certain food groups, all things that 644 00:28:16,474 --> 00:28:19,754 Speaker 2: happened to him. And but you do what your parents tell. 645 00:28:19,554 --> 00:28:19,994 Speaker 3: You to do. 646 00:28:20,114 --> 00:28:23,674 Speaker 2: And I think Harper maybe hasn't realized that that she's 647 00:28:23,674 --> 00:28:24,914 Speaker 2: the new Brooklyn Beckham. 648 00:28:25,074 --> 00:28:29,114 Speaker 3: Surely, like I feel like the Beckhams know how to 649 00:28:29,114 --> 00:28:29,914 Speaker 3: pare themselves. 650 00:28:30,314 --> 00:28:31,793 Speaker 1: And there's no way that they. 651 00:28:31,674 --> 00:28:35,314 Speaker 3: Haven't been like guiding and molding this idea and worked 652 00:28:35,314 --> 00:28:38,074 Speaker 3: on it together. So surely this can't be like her 653 00:28:38,074 --> 00:28:41,114 Speaker 3: own brain child. And I wonder why there hasn't been 654 00:28:41,154 --> 00:28:42,234 Speaker 3: more for behind it all. 655 00:28:42,514 --> 00:28:43,314 Speaker 1: They just don't care. 656 00:28:44,034 --> 00:28:45,914 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think that they haven't for all their 657 00:28:45,994 --> 00:28:49,314 Speaker 2: children on success. The Beckhams haven't found their golden goose 658 00:28:49,394 --> 00:28:52,114 Speaker 2: child yet. They haven't found like their I mean, this 659 00:28:52,154 --> 00:28:54,234 Speaker 2: is what happens when your family's also a business. They 660 00:28:54,234 --> 00:28:56,874 Speaker 2: haven't found their one kid that is going to go 661 00:28:56,954 --> 00:29:00,074 Speaker 2: on and build their own legacy. And Christiana exactly, Christian 662 00:29:00,194 --> 00:29:02,754 Speaker 2: is just pumping them out exactly. You know, she's got 663 00:29:02,754 --> 00:29:05,154 Speaker 2: a Kylie and a Kim. The other are successful too, 664 00:29:05,194 --> 00:29:06,874 Speaker 2: but they're the two that have really kind of taken 665 00:29:06,914 --> 00:29:08,874 Speaker 2: off and you think with the Beckhams, with the way 666 00:29:08,914 --> 00:29:11,554 Speaker 2: they've tried to make their children into their own brands, 667 00:29:11,594 --> 00:29:14,034 Speaker 2: and it hasn't really taken off Brooklyn like to a 668 00:29:14,034 --> 00:29:15,994 Speaker 2: little extent, but not really like he's had to just 669 00:29:15,994 --> 00:29:19,634 Speaker 2: slap his name on a hot sauce romeon Cruz. I'm 670 00:29:19,634 --> 00:29:22,914 Speaker 2: sure they're nice enough guys, but have tried music careers 671 00:29:22,954 --> 00:29:25,874 Speaker 2: and sports careers and other branding careers and they haven't 672 00:29:25,874 --> 00:29:27,714 Speaker 2: taken off. So one of if they're like Hartbury is 673 00:29:27,754 --> 00:29:30,074 Speaker 2: going to be it if we launch her skin care 674 00:29:30,154 --> 00:29:34,074 Speaker 2: line now, and especially because she can sell and be 675 00:29:34,154 --> 00:29:36,914 Speaker 2: the face of a different generation that is not going 676 00:29:36,954 --> 00:29:38,914 Speaker 2: to be as swede as like you know, Jen Alpha 677 00:29:38,954 --> 00:29:40,914 Speaker 2: now is not going to be swayed by Victoria Becket. 678 00:29:40,914 --> 00:29:42,154 Speaker 1: I think it's going to do quite well. 679 00:29:42,514 --> 00:29:45,994 Speaker 3: I wonder one comes across as such like an it girl, 680 00:29:46,114 --> 00:29:49,074 Speaker 3: and because she doesn't have any like public socials yet, 681 00:29:49,114 --> 00:29:52,634 Speaker 3: she has verified accounts, so they've locked that in. But 682 00:29:52,714 --> 00:29:54,914 Speaker 3: she's like a hundred followers on them, like she she 683 00:29:54,994 --> 00:29:57,874 Speaker 3: isn't actively on Instagram crazy or on TikTok. I think 684 00:29:57,914 --> 00:30:00,114 Speaker 3: she's got like under one hundred on TikTok. 685 00:30:00,434 --> 00:30:02,074 Speaker 2: So I get in there now before she shuts it 686 00:30:02,154 --> 00:30:03,034 Speaker 2: down and puts it on private. 687 00:30:03,114 --> 00:30:03,954 Speaker 1: Now it is on private. 688 00:30:04,394 --> 00:30:05,794 Speaker 2: Don't have millions by now? 689 00:30:06,074 --> 00:30:06,314 Speaker 3: Was it on? 690 00:30:06,914 --> 00:30:07,114 Speaker 1: People? 691 00:30:07,194 --> 00:30:08,074 Speaker 2: Just know what existed? 692 00:30:08,194 --> 00:30:12,354 Speaker 1: Found found account to stock a fourteen year olds so 693 00:30:12,914 --> 00:30:16,674 Speaker 1: she has verified accounts. They're both locked on private. 694 00:30:17,194 --> 00:30:20,634 Speaker 3: So as soon as this brand launches, I'm sure she's 695 00:30:20,674 --> 00:30:21,754 Speaker 3: going to open the flood gates. 696 00:30:21,874 --> 00:30:23,674 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure. And here's the thing, Like, not that 697 00:30:23,674 --> 00:30:26,874 Speaker 2: I feel super sorry for a very rich, white, beautiful 698 00:30:26,914 --> 00:30:30,114 Speaker 2: young girl, but I also just feel like she just 699 00:30:30,234 --> 00:30:34,674 Speaker 2: is not aware of the circumstances she has put herself in, especially. 700 00:30:34,314 --> 00:30:35,554 Speaker 1: Coming for a place of privilege. 701 00:30:35,674 --> 00:30:37,754 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that little bubble she would live in, and 702 00:30:37,794 --> 00:30:40,114 Speaker 2: she's probably like, oh my god, everyone loves Brooklyn y 703 00:30:40,354 --> 00:30:44,674 Speaker 2: photography book. It's so celebrated, skincare yay, And she's probably like, 704 00:30:44,714 --> 00:30:47,754 Speaker 2: that's probably what she's interested in. And so when her 705 00:30:47,754 --> 00:30:49,874 Speaker 2: parents were like, let's put your face on this and 706 00:30:49,914 --> 00:30:53,394 Speaker 2: make us some money instead of you just promoting these brands, 707 00:30:53,794 --> 00:30:56,554 Speaker 2: she was like great, And her mum has made so 708 00:30:56,634 --> 00:30:58,874 Speaker 2: much money with her beauty business. But I just think 709 00:30:58,914 --> 00:31:01,034 Speaker 2: that this is setting that young girl up for a 710 00:31:01,114 --> 00:31:02,114 Speaker 2: kimono situation. 711 00:31:02,274 --> 00:31:04,554 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it's appropriate unless you know, maybe 712 00:31:04,594 --> 00:31:07,234 Speaker 3: they partner with someone who can like kind of bring 713 00:31:07,434 --> 00:31:08,634 Speaker 3: the culture into it. 714 00:31:08,994 --> 00:31:12,954 Speaker 2: But we'll just still because I've got the whole name. 715 00:31:12,994 --> 00:31:15,514 Speaker 2: It's always her face and name on it. I just think, like, 716 00:31:15,634 --> 00:31:18,594 Speaker 2: let the fourteen year old waunchskin care line. That's weirdly problematic, 717 00:31:18,594 --> 00:31:22,434 Speaker 2: but it's very it's very just young Hollywood, that's really fine. 718 00:31:22,554 --> 00:31:24,834 Speaker 2: My thought is like, give it a different name and 719 00:31:25,034 --> 00:31:28,194 Speaker 2: never mention South Korean beauty or Korean beauty in any way. 720 00:31:28,674 --> 00:31:30,074 Speaker 1: And why it's Japanese. 721 00:31:30,154 --> 00:31:32,554 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so many, just so many questions. 722 00:31:32,674 --> 00:31:34,194 Speaker 1: It started with the H that's why. 723 00:31:34,394 --> 00:31:38,234 Speaker 2: Yeah. Ex they googled memes available to trademarks starting with 724 00:31:38,274 --> 00:31:40,234 Speaker 2: the H that will go with Harper and they saw 725 00:31:40,274 --> 00:31:42,234 Speaker 2: haiku and they were like, cute, no idea what it means. 726 00:31:42,234 --> 00:31:44,634 Speaker 3: Wow, I think we cracked the code. 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