WEBVTT - Don’t Take This Advice (But Also Maybe Do?)

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<v Speaker 1>We acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land we're recording

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<v Speaker 1>on today.

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<v Speaker 2>Not everyone does love being a mum, but no one

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<v Speaker 2>really likes the bad shit.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate being a mum. When my toddler is screaming

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<v Speaker 2>so loudly that they could hear three streets away, when

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<v Speaker 2>I'm brushing his teeth at night, I hate that part

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<v Speaker 2>of being a mother.

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<v Speaker 3>Hate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, Hello, and welcome back to our podcast with no

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<v Speaker 2>current name.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Kellen McCarron and I'm curious selves and regardless of

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<v Speaker 4>whatever we end up being called, we are still always

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<v Speaker 4>going to be that wildly unhinged podcast all about the

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<v Speaker 4>madness that his motherhood and everything in between.

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<v Speaker 3>Today we're giving unhinged advice on many.

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<v Speaker 2>A topic, if you will, because it's our first monthly

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<v Speaker 2>episode where we answer your questions and give sometimes questionable

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<v Speaker 2>advice to your dilemmas. Don't forget you can always add yours.

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<v Speaker 2>The link will live in our instabio and we will

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<v Speaker 2>also pop it in the show notes. But first, yeah, queen,

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<v Speaker 2>everything through the shit.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a voice that is really failing, so apologies

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<v Speaker 4>for sound and st sexy, Y'll I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>I am up first this week.

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<v Speaker 4>My pit is I don't want everyone to get Madam

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<v Speaker 4>at home sleep training, but not really so I kind

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<v Speaker 4>of had to look at the old calendar and realize

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<v Speaker 4>that Suki Dooki is four months my goodness, and her

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<v Speaker 4>sleep had been a bit shit the past couple of nights,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was like, duh, the four months sleep regression.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm not like freaking out about that at all.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just kind of being more aware of kind of

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<v Speaker 4>the rhythms to how she's sleeping and when she likes

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<v Speaker 4>to sleep.

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<v Speaker 3>She certainly doesn't like to sleep at the moment.

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<v Speaker 4>She doesn't want to sleep right now, which is not

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<v Speaker 4>very good because we're trying to record a podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>But when I was reading this thing, it was like

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<v Speaker 1>the Huckleberry app.

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<v Speaker 4>They were like, don't think of it as a regression,

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<v Speaker 4>Like developmentally, she's just hitting a massive new milestone. She's

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<v Speaker 4>now starting to sleep like an adult. And I was

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<v Speaker 4>just like, fuck yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've been.

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<v Speaker 4>Flirting with the idea of a loose routine see where

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<v Speaker 4>we land, and I started trying it, and I had

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<v Speaker 4>a little suspicion that her biggest nap she really likes

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<v Speaker 4>to do in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just completely the opposite to what Rue did.

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<v Speaker 1>I've just got to learn how to do it a

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<v Speaker 1>bit differently.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was really hoping that we might have the

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<v Speaker 4>same routine, which I can get around. But she loves

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<v Speaker 4>a really long nap in the morning and a really

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<v Speaker 4>long nap in the afternoon, which sounds brilliant, but when

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<v Speaker 4>you have to get things done or leave the house.

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<v Speaker 3>Or drop the child off at daycare, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a little bit tricky.

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<v Speaker 3>How many naps do they have at this age?

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<v Speaker 4>I forget three to four a day. She's probably sitting

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<v Speaker 4>out a solid three, but she does a lot of catnapping.

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<v Speaker 4>And also if I have to get up, it's the

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<v Speaker 4>end of her nap. Because she does all of her

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<v Speaker 4>naps a contact naps during the day, I can't, for

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<v Speaker 4>the life of me get her down. When Rue gets home,

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<v Speaker 4>and I can see that she's really tired at like

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<v Speaker 4>six point fifteen, but I can't put her down, and

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<v Speaker 4>I know it's like, just do another contact nap, But

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<v Speaker 4>by the end of the day, I am so touched out.

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<v Speaker 3>You also need to cook dinner for Rue, and like,

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<v Speaker 3>because Charlie's.

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<v Speaker 4>Not there, I want my focus to also be on Rue,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I really miss her and I've been with Suki

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<v Speaker 4>all day. She's had my attention all day, and I

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<v Speaker 4>really just want to be able to pop her down

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<v Speaker 4>and for her to go to sleep, and just for

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<v Speaker 4>me to have that like hour hour and a half

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<v Speaker 4>with Rue until I'm ordering her around to do things

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<v Speaker 4>because she needs to go to sleep, you know, Like

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<v Speaker 4>I want them to be a bit more positive in

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<v Speaker 4>our nighttime routine.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just really really hard.

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<v Speaker 4>I know we'll get there, but it's hard to try

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<v Speaker 4>and think of in what reality am I ever going

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<v Speaker 4>to be able to have a routine at night with

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<v Speaker 4>the both of them. It just seems so chaotic. And

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<v Speaker 4>I tried to do it once last night. I put

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<v Speaker 4>her down. She just cried, cried, cried, cried. So I

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<v Speaker 4>just picked her up and I was like, all right, well,

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<v Speaker 4>we gave that a try, Let's not try that.

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<v Speaker 1>Again for a while.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think what I'm going to do the new

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<v Speaker 4>plan moving forward is just to bring out the cozy

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<v Speaker 4>Ltuti side sleeper that I have, just to pop her

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<v Speaker 4>in there because it's mesh on the side, so she'll

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<v Speaker 4>be able to see me and I'll just grew up

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<v Speaker 4>if she cries, but then I'll put her down because

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<v Speaker 4>she is tired. I'm thinking if I put her in

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<v Speaker 4>like an arms out swaddle, which she can be, and

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<v Speaker 4>now maybe she will just naturally fall asleep if we're

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<v Speaker 4>in the room together, because I think for her, she

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<v Speaker 4>just does.

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<v Speaker 3>She'll be able to hear you.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, she just want to miss out. She's very inquisitive.

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<v Speaker 2>She is like right now, she wants to be part

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<v Speaker 2>of our conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>She really She's across the rooms, bubbling away and I'm

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<v Speaker 4>just letting her do it.

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<v Speaker 1>She's in the bouncer, but she's just like girls, I'm still.

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<v Speaker 3>Out, yeah, and I've got a lot to add.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'll let you know how all of that goes.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm trying not to spiral about it, get overwhelmed by it.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm just ready to just try to make that

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<v Speaker 4>last night nap or beginning of her night's sleep really

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<v Speaker 4>get together so that Ru and I can have that

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<v Speaker 4>time again.

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<v Speaker 1>My peak quick.

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<v Speaker 4>Story left at four point fifty to go pick up Rue.

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<v Speaker 4>Went down to my car park and some piece of

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<v Speaker 4>shit ass hat as I called them, fully fully parked

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<v Speaker 4>me in as inn, there was no way I could

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<v Speaker 4>get her.

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<v Speaker 1>I tried this.

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<v Speaker 4>There was this other gentleman in a car park who

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<v Speaker 4>he and his wife and I will like, very friendly,

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<v Speaker 4>and he's like, you're not going to be able to

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<v Speaker 4>get out, and I was like, I've got to go

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<v Speaker 4>get my daughter from daycare. And it's not like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I parked and I can go get an uber. I

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<v Speaker 4>can't get an uber or a cab with a baby.

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<v Speaker 4>I can get a cab with RU, but I still

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<v Speaker 4>have the baby, So like, what am I going to do?

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<v Speaker 1>And I can't.

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<v Speaker 4>This is obviously stupid, and I know I need to

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<v Speaker 4>learn how to do this, but I don't actually know

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<v Speaker 4>how to take the car seats in and out, so

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<v Speaker 4>I need to obviously learn how to do that for

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<v Speaker 4>situations like this, but I was just really really pissed off.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, it ended up being fine.

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<v Speaker 4>I called my girlfriend back, Goldie's mum, and she luckily

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<v Speaker 4>didn't have her little baby. Her mother in law was

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<v Speaker 4>at her house, so she's on our emergency contact list,

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<v Speaker 4>so she was able to pick up Ru and drop

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<v Speaker 4>her over.

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<v Speaker 1>So everything was fine.

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<v Speaker 4>But what I am proud about is that I am

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<v Speaker 4>such an anxious person that often, in the heat of

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<v Speaker 4>the moment, especially when things aren't fair, I'll get swept

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<v Speaker 4>up in it and I'll handle it and it's not

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<v Speaker 4>an overreaction, but I always have like reaction regret. So me,

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted to obviously write this really rude note and

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<v Speaker 4>be like, you're a dickhead. I hope you know what

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<v Speaker 4>you've done. In my head, I just thought I want

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<v Speaker 4>to say something because it's not nice, but I also

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<v Speaker 4>don't want to have any feelings afterwards that I'd done

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<v Speaker 4>something wrong. And this is really unique to me. I

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<v Speaker 4>think my anxiety is obviously insane. So I wrote a

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<v Speaker 4>firm but fair note, and the note said, hello, you

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<v Speaker 4>parked me in. As a result, I was unable to

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<v Speaker 4>pick up my daughter from daycare next time. Leave a

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<v Speaker 4>phone number, thanks, And I felt like that was enough

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<v Speaker 4>for me to get it off my chest, pop it

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<v Speaker 4>on the windscreen. It's a dick move on a party

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<v Speaker 4>bags you already think I had in the car, But

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<v Speaker 4>I just thought you can read between the lines. And

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<v Speaker 4>I also thought, often the tone and how you say

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<v Speaker 4>something can affect the impact of it, especially in a

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<v Speaker 4>situation like this, like how many times has a friend

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<v Speaker 4>gotten a note on their car saying you're a.

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<v Speaker 1>Dickhead you fucking parked me in. But then it becomes

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<v Speaker 1>a joke.

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<v Speaker 2>I posted it on our Insta and everyone agreed that

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<v Speaker 2>you were far too nice, So I think you should

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<v Speaker 2>be proud.

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<v Speaker 4>I just know myself and I know that what would

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<v Speaker 4>happen is that I would turn this into that I've

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<v Speaker 4>done something wrong and that I shouldn't have reacted like that.

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<v Speaker 4>But I wanted them to feel guilty because I'd handled

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<v Speaker 4>it so nicely.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone pointed out that you could have called the police.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, actually someone who was there who was like so

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<v Speaker 4>pissed off about it, more so than me goking, he

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<v Speaker 4>actually put in a complaint to Strata, So they're probably

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<v Speaker 4>going to get in trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>So go me, Okay, your turn.

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<v Speaker 2>My pit is that I am absolutely drowning. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm flailing around like a fish. I am so

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<v Speaker 2>overwhelmed with everything at the moment. Luke is doing night

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<v Speaker 2>shift five nights a week. I work full time. As

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned last week, I have all my coms overloading me.

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<v Speaker 3>I have no help.

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<v Speaker 2>My grandma still isn't exactly like she's not ready to

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<v Speaker 2>go on a cruise. There are five different building projects

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<v Speaker 2>around the house. Everything is just a disaster because I

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<v Speaker 2>start things and then never do them. The gardening needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be done, and I have to get an accountant,

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<v Speaker 2>which is then just a huge job getting them to

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<v Speaker 2>sort through everything and everything that I have to send them.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to set up a website. I haven't eaten

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<v Speaker 2>a home cooked meal for weeks. I need to go

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<v Speaker 2>to the dentist. I'm having stomach cramps. My vertigo is back.

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<v Speaker 2>I still haven't done the forms for any surgery with

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<v Speaker 2>HCF like to get any money back. My list just

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<v Speaker 2>keeps getting longer. And the problem isn't the hours in

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<v Speaker 2>the day.

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<v Speaker 3>I have enough self awareness to recognize that.

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<v Speaker 2>It is just that my brain seems to be getting

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<v Speaker 2>worse and worse at being able to actually finish a

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<v Speaker 2>task and get through a to do list, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>just really really stressing me out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, he is that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really enjoying getting dressed at the moment. Winter fashion

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<v Speaker 2>is so much fun. Winter's a mess yet, like just

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<v Speaker 2>being able to layer and play around with clothes and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just so much more interesting than chucking on a dress.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'll pull things out that I've had for six

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<v Speaker 2>years and I just forgot that I did and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just having a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love that. I love that. I have been

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<v Speaker 1>very inspired by you. So keep it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Next up our unhinged parenting, or just advice in general,

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<v Speaker 2>lack thereof, if you will, before.

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<v Speaker 4>We get into your questions and dilemmas a reminder that

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<v Speaker 4>we are in no way qualified to give advice. Think

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<v Speaker 4>of kel as you're drunk aunt. She'll tell you like

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<v Speaker 4>it is, but also has a heart of gold. And

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<v Speaker 4>I'm more like a good friend who will be sensitive

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<v Speaker 4>about your feelings but still give hopefully helpful advice.

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<v Speaker 2>Tibid Question number one, Kiris, do you want to take

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<v Speaker 2>it away perfect?

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<v Speaker 4>Is it better to live far from your support network

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<v Speaker 4>or village to earn a high income or stay close

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<v Speaker 4>to them and accept a more modest lifestyle such a

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<v Speaker 4>good one.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Hell, this one is so good and it's so hard

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<v Speaker 2>you straight away think, we'll obviously just accept the more

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<v Speaker 2>modest lifestyle so you have people around you. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>not always as easy as that.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>So, what sort of jobs are available in the area

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<v Speaker 2>that someone sort of grew up or that their family

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<v Speaker 2>and friends are in. It really made me think because

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<v Speaker 2>over the past year or so, I've been in a

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<v Speaker 2>situation where I don't think I've ever mentioned this to

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<v Speaker 2>you before, but our family friends that live on the

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<v Speaker 2>same as state as my parents are selling their house.

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<v Speaker 2>There's acres, there's a pool, there's so much space, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's incredible and we can afford it, and it would

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<v Speaker 2>be in the same a state as my parents. That

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<v Speaker 2>is a pretty good gig, but we would not be

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Luke could work anywhere. Technically I can work

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere because I would just be coming to Sydney, but

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<v Speaker 2>Luke would not be earning the same amount that he

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<v Speaker 2>would be in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 3>And even though we'd be.

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<v Speaker 2>Close to my parents, I only have one friend up there.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't have anyone, and we'd be moving away from

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<v Speaker 2>the village that we've sort of created. It's so hard,

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<v Speaker 2>but I would say, while you're younger, if there's an

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<v Speaker 2>option to create a village where you can earn more money,

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<v Speaker 2>I would do that just because you're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>to a life stagehere. You probably don't want to work

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<v Speaker 2>keeps and you sort of do want to take that

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<v Speaker 2>step back in your career. Maybe that is now, though

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, what do you think it's so hard?

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<v Speaker 4>I think it comes down to like what brings you

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<v Speaker 4>the most joy because for us, we currently choose to

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<v Speaker 4>live in Sydney for the lifestyle and also the money,

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<v Speaker 4>Like we couldn't earn necessarily the same money that we

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<v Speaker 4>could had we both lived in Brisbane. So the longer

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<v Speaker 4>we're here, the longer I actually see us living here,

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<v Speaker 4>And I think.

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<v Speaker 1>What it is. It's like, obviously it would be easier.

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<v Speaker 4>To live near family, for sure, and every time we

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<v Speaker 4>get together with our family, we're just like, oh so

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<v Speaker 4>so nice. But I also love where we live and

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<v Speaker 4>I love that we get to do things that I

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<v Speaker 4>might not get to do.

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<v Speaker 1>How to move back home.

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<v Speaker 4>Although it's tough, I think what's really good about it

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<v Speaker 4>is that it gets you out of your bubble because

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<v Speaker 4>you're constantly meeting new people, especially as a parent. The

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<v Speaker 4>next phase I'm really looking forward to is school. It's

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<v Speaker 4>like that next stage of building your village, because that's

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<v Speaker 4>when your kids go on to make their friends and

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<v Speaker 4>they hang out with them quite a lot, and you

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<v Speaker 4>have different sports activities or whatever activities that they're into.

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<v Speaker 4>So you end up but this is what I've heard anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>having like another group of friends that you add to

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<v Speaker 4>your village.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know. I think I'm in the.

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<v Speaker 4>Boat of do it for the lifestyle because you only

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<v Speaker 4>live once. But if it's not working, change it up.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't feel like you fully have to do one thing

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<v Speaker 4>or the other. Like, if you can afford it and

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<v Speaker 4>it works for you, try it out. And if you

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<v Speaker 4>end up wanting to move closer to family, that's okay

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<v Speaker 4>as well. But for us at the moment, lifestyle and

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<v Speaker 4>just seeing our family more frequently, I think that's also key.

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<v Speaker 4>Is like, yeah, not just waiting for big holidays, like

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<v Speaker 4>doing a long weekend here and there, getting together those

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<v Speaker 4>things are really important. So making sure that you're still

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<v Speaker 4>having those touch points even though parenting in a different

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<v Speaker 4>place is pretty hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if my sister, because apparently they've got like

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<v Speaker 2>a base in Paul McCrary for my brother in law's work,

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<v Speaker 2>if they moved up to Paul McCreary, I'd move back.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd buy that property in a heartbeat.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because she's a big lifeline.

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<v Speaker 2>For you, huge huge I could live without seeing my

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<v Speaker 2>friends every week. Like, you know, I could live with

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<v Speaker 2>seeing my friends once a month because I'd be coming

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<v Speaker 2>down to Sydney so much anyway, But I just could

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<v Speaker 2>not live without seeing her and my niece and nephew

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. Yeah, question number two, what are the

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<v Speaker 2>main things I need to plan for approximately one year

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<v Speaker 2>off starting to try for kids? Fitness, money, relationship and housing.

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<v Speaker 4>And the way of housing. Babies are little for ages

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<v Speaker 4>and like Toddler's a little don't be stressed out about housing,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think. I think, take that off your plate

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<v Speaker 4>unless you're only adding one person.

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<v Speaker 2>Unless you know that you're going to have to move

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<v Speaker 2>when they're really little, because that is so stressful.

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<v Speaker 1>I think.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't let the hell that you live in deter you

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<v Speaker 4>from having a children, Like everything doesn't have to be perfect.

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<v Speaker 4>Like people often move their baby out of the room

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<v Speaker 4>at six months, So you've got nine slash ten months

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<v Speaker 4>of pregnancy and then six months where they're gonna live

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<v Speaker 4>in your room even longer, very little, even longer, even longer.

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<v Speaker 3>Sonny, it's over three. Does he need his own room? No,

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<v Speaker 3>he doesn't because he doesn't use.

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<v Speaker 4>It exactly, So don't let that be a deterrent. But

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<v Speaker 4>for me, I would say the things that you need

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<v Speaker 4>to focus on is your relationship and your finances for sure,

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<v Speaker 4>because they are the two things that will be the

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<v Speaker 4>most strained after having a baby, and they need to

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<v Speaker 4>be rock solid going into Yeah, this huge, big life change.

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<v Speaker 3>I completely agree.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually have friends that I would say have one

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<v Speaker 2>of the healthiest relationships out of all of my friends

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<v Speaker 2>and their relationships who they didn't even have anything wrong

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<v Speaker 2>that they needed.

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<v Speaker 3>To speak to a counselor about, but they.

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<v Speaker 2>Went and did a bunch of counseling marriage counseling sessions

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<v Speaker 2>while she was pregnant because she was like, I do

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<v Speaker 2>not want to have a baby into with life. Sorted

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<v Speaker 2>some stuff out and done a bunch of sessions so

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<v Speaker 2>if you can afford it.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought that was such a good idea.

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<v Speaker 4>It is such a good idea, Like anytime you're investing

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<v Speaker 4>in your relationship is amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>And I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>Financially, it would be nice to be able to have

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<v Speaker 2>time off proper maternity leave without having to worry too much.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree. Okay, Question three best

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<v Speaker 4>wedding planning tip please, I'm in the trenches kind of

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<v Speaker 4>love keys eight week approach. But alas, what do you think,

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<v Speaker 4>cal don't bother? Save your money, what a waste of money?

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<v Speaker 3>Don't do it.

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<v Speaker 4>So on the flip side of that, I would say,

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<v Speaker 4>don't worry about the small things. Don't worry about the

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<v Speaker 4>pomp and ceremony of it all. I think the simpler

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<v Speaker 4>the better, and often the more fun because you worry less,

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<v Speaker 4>you care less, and on the day, honestly it doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 4>But definitely get some kind of wet weather.

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<v Speaker 2>Or you will all end up partying in side, which

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<v Speaker 2>to be fair, is still fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Was really fun.

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<v Speaker 4>But just don't get caught up in the small stuff

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<v Speaker 4>like bombonds and table settings like who cares?

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<v Speaker 1>Who cares?

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<v Speaker 4>Just make sure good food, good music, and shrinks pitches.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so true.

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<v Speaker 2>One of my biggest piece of advice after I got

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<v Speaker 2>married was like, fuck the details, because no one cares

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<v Speaker 2>about them the way that you do.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just so heavy on the details.

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<v Speaker 2>But for weeks prior I bought like these biodegradable silk

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<v Speaker 2>rose petals.

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<v Speaker 4>Aren't normal rose petals biodegradable, They're a flower.

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<v Speaker 2>It's too hard, like in a small town area it's

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<v Speaker 2>too hard to guarantee that you're gonna get rose petals

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<v Speaker 2>God on the day. Also, it would have been so

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<v Speaker 2>expensive because I wanted the entire grounds of the backyard

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<v Speaker 2>area basically littered with rose petals.

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<v Speaker 1>Got it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Buying these like shrink wrapped packs of them from China

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<v Speaker 2>and like separating them, spending hours and hours and hours

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<v Speaker 2>of nights, and they were meant to all be on

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<v Speaker 2>the ground when people returned from the ceremony. No one

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<v Speaker 2>else cared. It was such a waste of money. It

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<v Speaker 2>was bad for the environment. I was so caught up

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<v Speaker 2>on like stupid details that no one cared about. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I completely agree question number four. I'm exclusively breastfeeding

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<v Speaker 2>my first baby. She will be six months old when

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<v Speaker 2>I get married in August. She refuses to take a bottle.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I keep trying or do I just accept on

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<v Speaker 2>miss twenty percent of my expensive wedding breastfeeding and not

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<v Speaker 2>drinking the stupid bespoken cocktails we've paid for.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, this is funny two kind of wedding questions, But

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<v Speaker 4>this I can so relate to.

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<v Speaker 1>I get your stress.

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<v Speaker 4>I've had my first outings recently and I'm at the

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<v Speaker 4>moment exclusively breastfeeding, and it's very stressful. The thought of

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<v Speaker 4>them not taking a bottle bit different because I hadn't

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<v Speaker 4>tried it and you haven't it's not working. But in

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<v Speaker 4>my experience, I completely left the house, like we did

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<v Speaker 4>not try when I was around. I don't think it

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<v Speaker 4>was just luck that she took the bottle. I think

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<v Speaker 4>it was because I was not there. So I think

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<v Speaker 4>keep trying. And also there is no backup plan, do

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean? Like, if you're always there,

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<v Speaker 4>you're quicker to just end it and be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>we've got to feed them. But if they're not there,

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<v Speaker 4>I truly believe that she will take it. So keep trying.

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<v Speaker 4>Do not give up, because it's your wedding day. You

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<v Speaker 4>deserve to have a good day and you deserve to

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<v Speaker 4>not have to breastfeed the whole day and have some fun.

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<v Speaker 3>It also would just be so good for your sort

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<v Speaker 3>of autonomy. In general.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a little bit more brutal, same advice as Key,

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<v Speaker 2>but just a little bit more brutal with if the

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<v Speaker 2>baby is hungry enough, she will take the bottle. Babies

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<v Speaker 2>are at their core, they're going to do what they

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<v Speaker 2>can to survive like all humans do. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>torture the baby. I'm just saying that she if you

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<v Speaker 2>are gone, of course she's going to scream for a

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<v Speaker 2>little while. But you know what you say, been can

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<v Speaker 2>suck it up and deal with it, or your partner whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>because your baby will end up, they will get hungry

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<v Speaker 2>and they will take the bottle, and your partner's just

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<v Speaker 2>going to have to go through that discomfort for a

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<v Speaker 2>little while, just like you've had to go through the

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<v Speaker 2>discomfort of nipples adjusting mass di this sometimes the baby

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<v Speaker 2>screaming for half an hour because they've got gas. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be heart but persevere because it will

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<v Speaker 2>be worth it.

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<v Speaker 4>I love that you touched on that discomfort helt because

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<v Speaker 4>it's so true, Like it's a greally good opportunity for

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<v Speaker 4>your partner or whoever is helping you raise your kids

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<v Speaker 4>to really step up and take some of that away

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<v Speaker 4>from you, like alleviate some of that stress. You don't

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<v Speaker 4>need to be there, no, because I think it's very

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<v Speaker 4>stressful to watch your kid and distress obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>And your boobies can't they start leaking everywhere. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>in our nature to listen to a baby cry. No

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<v Speaker 2>one likes to listen to a baby cry, and it

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<v Speaker 2>sounds awful, even just saying let your baby cry.

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<v Speaker 4>Also, something my best friend said to me when I

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<v Speaker 4>was freaking out about going on the boat and leaving

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<v Speaker 4>Suki for the first time. Hadn't done a bottle any

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<v Speaker 4>of that. She said, if she doesn't take the bottle,

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<v Speaker 4>you can syringe milk into her mouth, and that's how

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<v Speaker 4>they do it in the hospital for baby when they're

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<v Speaker 4>going to have it.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a bottle.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you get to it and you really won't

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<v Speaker 4>take the bottle, someone can be there syringing the.

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<v Speaker 1>Milk to feed her. And that is your backup plan.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't want to keep doing that forever, but to

0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:23.880
<v Speaker 4>make sure that you don't have to breastfeed on your

0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:26.560
<v Speaker 4>wedding day, I reckon that is your tip if we don't.

0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:27.239
<v Speaker 1>Get the bottle into them.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Agree.

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<v Speaker 4>Question number five. I am nearly twelve months into parenting

0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:34.000
<v Speaker 4>a beautiful little girl and yet still have regretful what

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<v Speaker 4>on earth I've done to my once relaxed life. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>in a constant state of stress, debt, and overwhelm, and

0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:43.840
<v Speaker 4>although I absolutely adore my baby. I absolutely hate being

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<v Speaker 4>a mother and I wish I could turn back time.

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<v Speaker 2>This, Oh what do you think really broke my heart

0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:53.040
<v Speaker 2>because it sounds obviously I'm not a doctor, shock horror,

0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:56.640
<v Speaker 2>it does sound like postpartum depression, though in so many

0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:59.840
<v Speaker 2>ways I can relate to those feelings, So I just

0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:02.800
<v Speaker 2>I think you need to speak to a professional because

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<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't be feeling this shit. I also think that

0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:12.000
<v Speaker 2>she needs to find a good mum crew, because friends

0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:15.200
<v Speaker 2>that are in the same boat really really help, which

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<v Speaker 2>is why he has always spoken so highly of her

0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:21.959
<v Speaker 2>mother's group. But anyone, just one person, that's pretty much

0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:24.720
<v Speaker 2>all you need that's in a similar sort of stage

0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:28.439
<v Speaker 2>to you. Just someone to vent, to go for a

0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.600
<v Speaker 2>walk with the babies to I mean, the baby's one,

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<v Speaker 2>so to leave the baby and go out for a

0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:38.160
<v Speaker 2>drink or and you also need to be making time.

0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:40.399
<v Speaker 3>For yourself to have that separation.

0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:43.920
<v Speaker 2>But my main thing would be that to go speak

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<v Speaker 2>to your GP and get them to do one of

0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:50.760
<v Speaker 2>those little scory things, because it does sound like postpartum depression,

0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:54.879
<v Speaker 2>which is the worst thing. As Clarea and I touched

0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:57.520
<v Speaker 2>on last week, it's such an awful feeling.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And if you're as you said, you're in with

0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:05.960
<v Speaker 4>mental health review, you do get a certain amount that

0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:09.359
<v Speaker 4>are discounted from the government, so that should help. It

0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:12.439
<v Speaker 4>is still an investment, but hopefully you can find somewhere

0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:15.320
<v Speaker 4>that bulk bills you can maybe that'll get it across

0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:15.680
<v Speaker 4>the line.

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<v Speaker 3>You get ten and you get ten h.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with Kel. Definitely chat to your GP. Just

0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:24.359
<v Speaker 1>make sure that there is no kind of postpartum depression creeping.

0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:26.360
<v Speaker 2>Out, and let them know your financial state that they

0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:29.040
<v Speaker 2>don't then suggest to give you a faruh for some

0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:32.159
<v Speaker 2>really expensive psychologist that will only sort of subsidize it,

0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:33.640
<v Speaker 2>not bulk.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill it absolutely. And also remember that the first five.

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<v Speaker 4>Years and I know we're talking about the first year,

0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:44.080
<v Speaker 4>but they always talk about how labor intensive the first

0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:47.320
<v Speaker 4>five years is and that it gets easier each year.

0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:50.240
<v Speaker 4>So you're only year one into that first five years

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<v Speaker 4>of when they're out their littlest and they need you

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<v Speaker 4>the most.

0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:54.080
<v Speaker 1>I know.

0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:56.520
<v Speaker 4>For me, having a toddler has been the hardest. Give

0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:59.080
<v Speaker 4>me a baby any day, but toddler's I really struggle with.

0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:01.840
<v Speaker 4>And the thing that keeps me going is knowing that

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<v Speaker 4>hopefully they are going to have a really long life

0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:07.159
<v Speaker 4>and the grand scheme of things. The first five years

0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:10.760
<v Speaker 4>is such a blip in the overall experience of what

0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:13.680
<v Speaker 4>motherhood is. So I know that it is hard right

0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:15.879
<v Speaker 4>now and we want to rule out any kind of

0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:19.639
<v Speaker 4>mental health stuff, but just to remember that this is

0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:22.320
<v Speaker 4>going to be hopefully only this hard for a really

0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:26.119
<v Speaker 4>short amount of time and once that part passes, Like

0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:28.880
<v Speaker 4>maybe having a baby was the hardest part for you,

0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:32.440
<v Speaker 4>and this next toddler phase is going to be where

0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:34.159
<v Speaker 4>you flourish as a mum and a lot of and

0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:37.639
<v Speaker 4>to actually be able exactly kel you are the person

0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:40.520
<v Speaker 4>I'm talking about, like some people are, just like you

0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:42.520
<v Speaker 4>don't get a lot back from a baby. Maybe you

0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:44.880
<v Speaker 4>do not get a lot back from a baby toddlers,

0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:48.760
<v Speaker 4>you get a bit more your time to flourish and

0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:54.600
<v Speaker 4>really lean into or feel confident and accepting of your motherhood.

0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:57.200
<v Speaker 4>Face could just be around the corner. So don't lose hope.

0:23:57.560 --> 0:24:00.760
<v Speaker 4>Is the other thing, Like it is real. It is

0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:03.800
<v Speaker 4>such a massive change and you're only twelve months in,

0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:06.040
<v Speaker 4>so just give yourself a little bit of grace.

0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:11.080
<v Speaker 2>Also, not everyone does love being a mum in the

0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:13.840
<v Speaker 2>regard because I think that when people say I hate

0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:17.000
<v Speaker 2>being a mother, but no one really likes the bad shit,

0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:19.480
<v Speaker 2>because the thing is is that you're saying, I absolutely

0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:21.720
<v Speaker 2>adore my baby. So you do like being a mum

0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:25.640
<v Speaker 2>in that regard. You just don't like the state of stress,

0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:28.360
<v Speaker 2>debt and overwhelmed, which is so normal.

0:24:29.200 --> 0:24:29.920
<v Speaker 3>Do you know what I mean?

0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:34.640
<v Speaker 2>Like, sometimes I hate being a mum when my toddler

0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:39.200
<v Speaker 2>is screaming so loudly that they could hear three streets away,

0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:41.000
<v Speaker 2>when I'm brushing his teeth at night.

0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:43.440
<v Speaker 3>I hate that. I hate that part of being a mother.

0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:44.320
<v Speaker 3>Hate it.

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<v Speaker 2>So there are parts that, even three years down the track,

0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:50.320
<v Speaker 2>I think, oh, dear.

0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:51.760
<v Speaker 3>Lord, I really do not enjoy this.

0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:53.680
<v Speaker 1>Definitely, So yes.

0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:58.520
<v Speaker 2>I would say very normal. However, not okay that you

0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:02.359
<v Speaker 2>are still feeling like this. It's okay, of course, but

0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:05.400
<v Speaker 2>I want you to feel better. So I do think

0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:08.520
<v Speaker 2>that you should go speak to your GP and reach

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:10.919
<v Speaker 2>out maybe in the Facebook group. We need to build

0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:13.600
<v Speaker 2>you a village and some people around that you can

0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:21.560
<v Speaker 2>spend some time with. How do I find my style

0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:24.040
<v Speaker 2>as a mum? Nothing fits. I now need pockets to

0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:26.639
<v Speaker 2>hold things, Clothes fit differently on my body, and it

0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:29.800
<v Speaker 2>feels like everything is only suitable for my body pre baby,

0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:31.800
<v Speaker 2>and I don't have the funds to fix it.

0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:34.120
<v Speaker 3>I feel like, did you write this.

0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:35.600
<v Speaker 1>In this is literally me?

0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:37.399
<v Speaker 3>You touched on this last week?

0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Definitely.

0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:41.359
<v Speaker 4>I have been really struggling as well, and I don't

0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:43.040
<v Speaker 4>want to spend heaps of money as I don't have

0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:45.240
<v Speaker 4>a lot of money to spend. But what I found's

0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:48.600
<v Speaker 4>been helping is using Pinterest as kind of like style

0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:51.880
<v Speaker 4>inspiration and looking at what you've got and different things

0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:54.440
<v Speaker 4>that you can put together. I think that obviously, if

0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:56.679
<v Speaker 4>your body is a different size to what it was,

0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:58.359
<v Speaker 4>you're going to have to spend a little bit of

0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:01.600
<v Speaker 4>money to be able to put that don't make you

0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:03.920
<v Speaker 4>feel shit, and I think that is half of it.

0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:10.159
<v Speaker 4>So what I think you should do is for those things, thrifting, deepop,

0:26:10.320 --> 0:26:13.600
<v Speaker 4>even kmer just for your basics, a T shirt that fits,

0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:16.120
<v Speaker 4>and a really light bulb moment for me the other

0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:18.720
<v Speaker 4>day was just this video that I saw on Instagram

0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:21.320
<v Speaker 4>of a stylus. It says like a lot of my

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:24.760
<v Speaker 4>clients come to me and they're like nothing suits me.

0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:28.480
<v Speaker 4>And I think what she was saying was like we

0:26:28.560 --> 0:26:31.240
<v Speaker 4>need to get away from things quote unquote suiting us

0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:35.199
<v Speaker 4>because the image that we are sold in marketing of

0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:38.359
<v Speaker 4>fashion is on one specific body type. And I know

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 4>that I'm guilty of this. Is like, when I see

0:26:40.760 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 4>something on a body type that isn't mine, I buy it,

0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:45.480
<v Speaker 4>and then I get home and I put it on

0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:47.879
<v Speaker 4>my body and I'm like, oh, that doesn't look how.

0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:50.680
<v Speaker 3>I thought it was because you're not five eight exactly.

0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:52.639
<v Speaker 4>But I think you have to objectively look at it

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:55.600
<v Speaker 4>and say does it not suit you or does it

0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:58.200
<v Speaker 4>just look different on your body? Because this stylist was

0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:01.560
<v Speaker 4>saying that wipes out eighty percent of what you can

0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:05.719
<v Speaker 4>quote unquote can wear. So wear what makes you happy.

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:08.000
<v Speaker 4>Just get a size that fits and that you feel

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 4>comfortable and confident in, and try and get the image

0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:13.760
<v Speaker 4>of the model that you may have seen wearing or

0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:15.919
<v Speaker 4>the inspiration that you may have seen wearing it, and

0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:18.760
<v Speaker 4>just be comfortable on how it looks on you.

0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:20.960
<v Speaker 3>That is such good advice.

0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Key. It changed my approach a lot.

0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:26.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I remember getting rid of so many different clothes

0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:29.920
<v Speaker 2>after I had land because I just didn't feel like,

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:32.680
<v Speaker 2>if I really thought about it, probably really regret some

0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:33.919
<v Speaker 2>of the things I got rid of. Because you know

0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:37.480
<v Speaker 2>how much I love my clothes. But another period that

0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:39.760
<v Speaker 2>this reminded me of was when I got my boobs

0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:43.280
<v Speaker 2>done because my body changed so much, so my style

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:45.679
<v Speaker 2>changed and for so long I didn't know what to

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:48.520
<v Speaker 2>wear anymore and what would suit me. Yeah, so it

0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:52.280
<v Speaker 2>is like whenever your body changes more so than like

0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 2>we all fluctuate, most women fluctuate. There's always, you know,

0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:59.359
<v Speaker 2>maybe two sizes, a couple of kilos, depending on the month,

0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:01.639
<v Speaker 2>time of year, what not, where we might fluctuate. But

0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:05.560
<v Speaker 2>whenever our bodies change more so than that, it is

0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:07.880
<v Speaker 2>a jarring and it does take us time to get

0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 2>used to. But you've also got to remember that it

0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 2>actually isn't important at the end of the day. And

0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:17.200
<v Speaker 2>as Key said, just wear stuff that you'll like, even

0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:19.639
<v Speaker 2>if you don't fit into a lot of things. There's

0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:22.960
<v Speaker 2>no way that everything in your wardrobe was form fitting,

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 2>so you could only wear it at maybe your pre

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:28.239
<v Speaker 2>baby smaller sized, do you know what I mean? Like

0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 2>there would be some thing, So as he said, use Pinterest,

0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:34.040
<v Speaker 2>look at where you can make work, go to op shops,

0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 2>go to places like if you're in Sydney, U turn

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:38.880
<v Speaker 2>has the outlet in punch bowl.

0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:40.120
<v Speaker 3>I think there's another outlet.

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:43.240
<v Speaker 2>Now you can literally get like three feelings, three things

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:45.880
<v Speaker 2>for twenty bucks. It's insane and like a lot of

0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:50.280
<v Speaker 2>it's good stuff. So deepop eBay even I've heard that eBay.

0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Is apparently having a resurgence. Facebook market Blows is another one.

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Try to stay away from Tamu and Sheen because you're

0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:58.320
<v Speaker 2>just going to end up with rubbish that doesn't actually

0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:01.719
<v Speaker 2>fit you either because it's made poorly.

0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:03.840
<v Speaker 3>Like at least in Chemic you can try to trap.

0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:07.760
<v Speaker 4>On exactly question seven. I'm struggling to relax at night

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:09.560
<v Speaker 4>and I end up scrolling on my phone until I

0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:12.479
<v Speaker 4>fall asleep. What are your favorite ways to unwind and

0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 4>relax at night?

0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, Kee likes to watch TV shows for Charlie, which

0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:19.000
<v Speaker 2>I think is so cute.

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:20.400
<v Speaker 3>You guys are so.

0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Good that you like wait till he gets home and

0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 2>when the kids are in bed, and that you also

0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:28.160
<v Speaker 2>don't get much sleep, I feel because you mustn't go

0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:29.080
<v Speaker 2>to bed till late.

0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 1>We do go to bed quite late.

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:32.240
<v Speaker 4>But that's what I was gonna say in relation to

0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:35.640
<v Speaker 4>like finding ways to relax and wind down at night,

0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 4>get into bed early and go to bed early. Honestly,

0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:42.719
<v Speaker 4>I know it sounds so simple and stupid, but like

0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:47.480
<v Speaker 4>the other night, I did have shingles, but I was

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:51.880
<v Speaker 4>like trying to sit up and just quote unquote relax, right,

0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:53.280
<v Speaker 4>but I just was like.

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Fuck it, I'm just gonna go to bed.

0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:57.800
<v Speaker 4>And I still like did whatever I was going to do,

0:29:57.880 --> 0:30:00.200
<v Speaker 4>Like I still kind of lay down, but I was like,

0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:03.280
<v Speaker 4>I felt so smug because I was in bird early

0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 4>and I actually did fall asleep. And I think it's

0:30:06.840 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 4>almost like the fear of not being able to fall

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:12.360
<v Speaker 4>asleep at a different time I think can sometimes be

0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 4>a barrier for just like getting into bed.

0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:17.280
<v Speaker 3>But also reverse procrastination where you're.

0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Like, oh, it's the only time I've had for myself

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 2>all day, so you I don't want to go to bed.

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:24.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And for some reason, sleep we don't see as

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:27.360
<v Speaker 4>a reward or relaxing or a way to bring wine.

0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:31.080
<v Speaker 4>But babe, that is that's going to make you feel refreshed.

0:30:31.080 --> 0:30:33.480
<v Speaker 4>So I know it's boring, but go to bed early

0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:35.400
<v Speaker 4>and read a book in bed, or read a boring

0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:37.360
<v Speaker 4>book and bed, and then you'll fall asleep even quicker.

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Speaker 1>What did you think.

0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:40.280
<v Speaker 3>Cal a couple of nights a week.

0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:43.080
<v Speaker 2>I go to bed with Lens, So some nights I'll

0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:45.120
<v Speaker 2>be in bed at like eight o'clock. I don't go

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:48.240
<v Speaker 2>to bed then, like but then, because I'm in bed

0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:51.640
<v Speaker 2>so early, I'm probably more likely to go to bed,

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:53.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, put my phone down or put my book

0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 2>down or whatever. It is more likely to do that

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:58.840
<v Speaker 2>closer to ten, rather than if I'm up and about

0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 2>and doing stuff around the house us after he's gone

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:05.000
<v Speaker 2>to sleep, then it's probably closer to like eleven, And

0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 2>just that one hour can make the world of difference

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:07.880
<v Speaker 2>in the morning.

0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:12.720
<v Speaker 4>We are the only species on the planet that fight sleep.

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 4>Every other species but sleeps animals. We don't prioritize sleep enough.

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 4>I honestly think that's the secret.

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:25.560
<v Speaker 2>My ideal way to relax really would be like a

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 2>nice glass of red, something on the television that I

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:31.320
<v Speaker 2>can like a two screener thing so I don't have

0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:33.040
<v Speaker 2>to concentrate that much on it, or a book or

0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:35.440
<v Speaker 2>a podcast that I'm listening to, saying that I can

0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:39.280
<v Speaker 2>listen to whilst I'm doing a really good puzzle, and

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 2>like some chocolates or just something maybe some lollies, like

0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:44.640
<v Speaker 2>a snack that I really like feeling cozy in my

0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:45.480
<v Speaker 2>pajamas at the moon.

0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:47.800
<v Speaker 3>I love being cozy. I love winter pajamas and socks.

0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:51.400
<v Speaker 4>Or you've just reminded me of one. An audiobook in bed,

0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:54.040
<v Speaker 4>like laying in bed with my eyes shut listening to

0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:57.120
<v Speaker 4>an audiobook. When you're listening to a podcast or audiobook

0:31:57.160 --> 0:31:59.240
<v Speaker 4>or something, usually you're on the rum, but there's something

0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:02.840
<v Speaker 4>that quite relaxed and unwinding about, like laying down and

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:03.800
<v Speaker 4>listening to something.

0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:07.200
<v Speaker 2>Question number eight advice for when you are so touched

0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:10.520
<v Speaker 2>out slash burnt out from work, life, admin and parenting

0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 2>and you have nothing left. Your partner at the end

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:14.920
<v Speaker 2>of the day he is so understanding, but I feel

0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:16.800
<v Speaker 2>like I'm a really, really bad wife.

0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:18.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh this is such a good one.

0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:21.360
<v Speaker 2>I know some people they're just annoyingly smug though they're like,

0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 2>our relationships so good. Yeah you know why, Well, you

0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:27.720
<v Speaker 2>have parents around the corner that take your children slash

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:28.560
<v Speaker 2>child once weeks.

0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:30.360
<v Speaker 3>You can go on a date night, that's why.

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:33.160
<v Speaker 1>And you're probably really rich. Yeah, you can.

0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Afford babysitters whenever you want to. I really struggle to

0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 2>justify the cost of a babysitter. They're worth every cent

0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:41.640
<v Speaker 2>of course, but it's like that adds hundreds of dollars.

0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:41.920
<v Speaker 3>Onto your night.

0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a lot. It is a lot.

0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:45.800
<v Speaker 3>What's your advice? You're better at this than me.

0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:48.960
<v Speaker 2>My advice is it's a season and shit, but it's

0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:49.480
<v Speaker 2>a season.

0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 4>I think that's really good advice. But mine is to

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 4>have no TV nuts. So I think Charlie and I

0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:58.480
<v Speaker 4>we actually this happened recently with us. We've fallen into

0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:01.080
<v Speaker 4>a bit of like a ships and the night kind

0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:03.720
<v Speaker 4>of thing, very routine y, and we don't like make

0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:07.080
<v Speaker 4>enough conversation. So say we do have something to watch

0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:08.800
<v Speaker 4>on TV that we want to do. When we're actually

0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:11.160
<v Speaker 4>eating dinner, we don't have the TV on, so we

0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:13.560
<v Speaker 4>have conversation over dinner. We don't have a dining room table,

0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:15.800
<v Speaker 4>so we have dinner in our couch. It's very informal,

0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:17.800
<v Speaker 4>but we have that time where we make sure that

0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:20.320
<v Speaker 4>we talk and then no TV nights.

0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 1>But it's not that.

0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:23.440
<v Speaker 4>We talk to each other, it's just that we both

0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:26.320
<v Speaker 4>sit on the couch together but doing our own things.

0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:30.440
<v Speaker 4>So it's spending time together where you don't necessarily have

0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 4>to chat, but it's without costraction of a TV that's

0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:36.840
<v Speaker 4>dumbing you, so for instance, like we might read a book,

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:40.080
<v Speaker 4>or one of us is playing a game, or I

0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 4>did actually buy us a board game to play together.

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:43.480
<v Speaker 3>Our board games are great.

0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:48.400
<v Speaker 4>Sitting together and each other's company without having a television on,

0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:49.720
<v Speaker 4>I think is a really good one.

0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:50.800
<v Speaker 1>Pillow talk is.

0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 4>My absolute favorite though, because it is the best part

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:56.480
<v Speaker 4>of the night, and we just got into this habit

0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 4>where we would like get into bed and talk until

0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:01.280
<v Speaker 4>we fell asleep, and I just thought that that was

0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:01.959
<v Speaker 4>so cute.

0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, can I just say that's quite unrealistic because not

0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:06.120
<v Speaker 2>that many people go to bed at the same time.

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:07.880
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't have to be every night, but it's a

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:10.000
<v Speaker 4>you're in bed one night and you just have a

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:11.000
<v Speaker 4>little chat in bed.

0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 1>It's quite nice.

0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:13.799
<v Speaker 2>If Luke and I tried to do that on the

0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:15.640
<v Speaker 2>one night that we go to bed at the same

0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 2>time because he doesn't know shift, Lenny would have a

0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:19.960
<v Speaker 2>lot to say because he's between us.

0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:22.360
<v Speaker 4>So true, it does not work if there's a kiddo

0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:25.279
<v Speaker 4>in the bed. Question nine, what age did you get

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 4>your babies off bottles? And how did you do it?

0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:29.800
<v Speaker 4>So much conflicting advice?

0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 1>How did you do it?

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:32.520
<v Speaker 3>Cal Like I could not remember.

0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:35.080
<v Speaker 2>It shows how quickly you just forget mundane things or

0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 2>things that don't matter down the track. I could not

0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:42.600
<v Speaker 2>tell you what the rules are around toddlers and babies

0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:44.920
<v Speaker 2>and milk and that sort of thing. All I remember

0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:47.840
<v Speaker 2>about it is that Lenny gave up his So he

0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 2>mustn't have been having bottles of milk during the day.

0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:52.600
<v Speaker 3>It must have just been a night thing. But I

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:53.919
<v Speaker 3>remember it was around.

0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Eighteen months because and I've spoken about this before, he

0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:01.480
<v Speaker 2>literally just stopped because he had hand foot mouth and

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:03.640
<v Speaker 2>it was just so bad that he didn't want to

0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 2>do anything, and that sort of just weaned him off

0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:08.400
<v Speaker 2>his night bottle. But then I was just so sad

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 2>because I was like, but I don't remember the last

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:13.360
<v Speaker 2>night feed. I don't remember the last night bottle with

0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:20.880
<v Speaker 2>his little noises going. So about eighteen months and just

0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:23.959
<v Speaker 2>literally he weaned himself because he had hand to foot

0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:28.160
<v Speaker 2>in mouth. I was never in any sort of rush

0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:30.719
<v Speaker 2>to I mean I would have, like, obviously didn't like

0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:32.480
<v Speaker 2>waking up in the middle of the night to give

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:35.680
<v Speaker 2>him a bottle, but it was also just I wake

0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:36.919
<v Speaker 2>up in the middle of the night for a drink

0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:38.759
<v Speaker 2>or to go for a week so maybe he does too.

0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:43.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, we did it. I think around the twelve

0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:48.440
<v Speaker 4>thirteen month mark. She just didn't really want it. At

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:50.560
<v Speaker 4>twelve months you can start giving them cow's milk so

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:54.319
<v Speaker 4>you don't have to broastfeed or give them formula animal

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:56.520
<v Speaker 4>They're fine to have cow's milk. But I remember it

0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:59.399
<v Speaker 4>being really hard after Bali and I don't know when

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 4>that was because the nanny is God bless them, and

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:04.360
<v Speaker 4>it was such a good trick. Women were traveling would

0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:07.040
<v Speaker 4>give her bottles in bed to fall asleep. So I

0:36:07.040 --> 0:36:10.200
<v Speaker 4>remember that being really hard to wean that part of it.

0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:13.040
<v Speaker 4>But I was never stressed about weaning the bottle. Like

0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:16.080
<v Speaker 4>I know that we introduced like a different kind of

0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 4>water bottle that was like a bit more adult for her,

0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:21.160
<v Speaker 4>and she was like pretty into that. But I don't

0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:23.279
<v Speaker 4>think it's a stressful, like a thing to be stressed about.

0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:25.800
<v Speaker 4>I know one of my girlfriends, they're like two and

0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:28.360
<v Speaker 4>a half year old, still has bottles. Like it's not

0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 4>a big deal if it doesn't bother you. I don't

0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:32.399
<v Speaker 4>think let it be a big thing.

0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 2>My girlfriend Ash, she's been on the pod before Diddy

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:41.600
<v Speaker 2>was well, even Harley, they were old toddlers from memory

0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:44.840
<v Speaker 2>closer to four and still having because they called it Motti's.

0:36:45.719 --> 0:36:47.840
<v Speaker 2>And I'll never forget because they'd be like lying in

0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:50.719
<v Speaker 2>the dark and go I want mom Motties, and I'd

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:52.440
<v Speaker 2>be like, oh, dear lord, but it would just be

0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:54.680
<v Speaker 2>in like a sippy cup. But they still actually and

0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:57.560
<v Speaker 2>sometimes Lenny still has a milk before bed, like in

0:36:57.600 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 2>a cup.

0:36:58.160 --> 0:37:02.239
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like if it's helping themself sooth. Fuck, yeah, keep

0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:04.080
<v Speaker 4>that maybe eat that bottle. Don't get rid of it.

0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:05.960
<v Speaker 4>They'll get rid of it when they don't.

0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 3>Want it to exactly. They all do it at their

0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:09.560
<v Speaker 3>own time. All right.

0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Last question, what is the funniest or strangest thing that

0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:16.200
<v Speaker 2>has happened to you on a first date. I need

0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:18.480
<v Speaker 2>some lulls because I'm so nervous about getting in the

0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:21.360
<v Speaker 2>dating pool. I split with my partner last year for context.

0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:22.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm ready for some light fun.

0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 4>I just remember this guy that I was talking to

0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:30.680
<v Speaker 4>on tender. This is when I lived in New York,

0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:33.040
<v Speaker 4>and like we had this like really fun first day

0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:35.560
<v Speaker 4>and night out. I took him back to my apartment

0:37:36.120 --> 0:37:38.360
<v Speaker 4>and like I went to the bathroom and then I

0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 4>came back. But I don't think he well, he didn't.

0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:42.719
<v Speaker 4>He didn't hear that. I had like come back to

0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 4>the room, and just before I opened the door, he

0:37:45.040 --> 0:37:48.640
<v Speaker 4>did a huge fart yuck, And I was so grossed

0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:50.120
<v Speaker 4>out that I just.

0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Blew balled him. I didn't do anything with him.

0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:54.200
<v Speaker 4>Because I was so grossed out, like it was so big.

0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:56.680
<v Speaker 4>And then he was like fluffing the douner cover, like

0:37:57.560 --> 0:37:59.239
<v Speaker 4>to get rid of the scout, and I was like,

0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:01.680
<v Speaker 4>why didn't you just wait and like go to the

0:38:01.680 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 4>bathroom like a civilized person.

0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:03.600
<v Speaker 2>To do it.

0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:07.279
<v Speaker 4>But I do not understanding ill, and it just put

0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:11.319
<v Speaker 4>me off. And then afterwards, like the next day, he

0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:13.560
<v Speaker 4>was like messaging me and I was like not wanting

0:38:13.600 --> 0:38:16.280
<v Speaker 4>to message back, and he was just like got really

0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:19.200
<v Speaker 4>mean and was like I wasn't like I was trying

0:38:19.200 --> 0:38:20.640
<v Speaker 4>to make my girlfriend, and I was like.

0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:24.000
<v Speaker 2>If I want to be your girlfriend when you fart

0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:26.600
<v Speaker 2>like that, yuck, I don't even know if that's funny

0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:27.520
<v Speaker 2>or gross.

0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:28.359
<v Speaker 1>It's probably both.

0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:30.719
<v Speaker 4>But I was just like, oh my god, how do

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:33.040
<v Speaker 4>I get this person to leave my apartment? I'm so

0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:35.279
<v Speaker 4>turned off by you right now? And I was so

0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:38.640
<v Speaker 4>drunk too, and I still cut through the drunkness. I

0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:40.680
<v Speaker 4>feel like it made me really sobered up and be like,

0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:42.040
<v Speaker 4>not doing anything with this guy.

0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:43.760
<v Speaker 1>It's gross. Anyway, what's yours?

0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:46.279
<v Speaker 2>I have so many funny dating stories. I was so

0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:48.680
<v Speaker 2>good at dating, and so I would. You haven't asked

0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:51.520
<v Speaker 2>for advice, You've just asked for dating lolls. But my

0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:55.359
<v Speaker 2>advice is don't let especially if you're kind of like, oh,

0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:58.239
<v Speaker 2>I just want some fun, have fun, because the worst

0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:02.040
<v Speaker 2>thing that can happen, like obviously, bar actual criminals, the

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:03.440
<v Speaker 2>worst thing that's going to happen is you're gonna have

0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:05.920
<v Speaker 2>a really funny story the next day. You know, their

0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:08.160
<v Speaker 2>stakes are a lot higher when you're parents, because if

0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:10.520
<v Speaker 2>you're co parenting with someone that you've split up from,

0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:12.640
<v Speaker 2>you would only have a couple of nights peaking. You

0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:14.960
<v Speaker 2>don't want to waste them on duds. But just make

0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:17.080
<v Speaker 2>it a drink if it's not going anywhere, like it

0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:18.800
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have to be a really long affair.

0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:20.360
<v Speaker 3>But there was one I don't even.

0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:23.200
<v Speaker 2>Know if I've told you this key, but I was

0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:27.319
<v Speaker 2>talking to this bloke and we'd been talking for a

0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:31.000
<v Speaker 2>while and we'd organized to go on a first date.

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:34.160
<v Speaker 2>But then my housemate, who was my really good friend

0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:37.319
<v Speaker 2>said oh, we're doing birthday drinks pub crawl, and.

0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:38.359
<v Speaker 3>So I canceled this date.

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 2>All of these boys were at my house and one

0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:44.239
<v Speaker 2>of them just looked so familiar George, who was my

0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:47.120
<v Speaker 2>guy friend that I lived with whose birthday was And

0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:49.879
<v Speaker 2>I said, what's that guy's name? And he's like Nick,

0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:52.719
<v Speaker 2>And I said, oh, my god, George, that's the guy

0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:55.480
<v Speaker 2>that I canceled on. That's the guy that I've been

0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:57.920
<v Speaker 2>talking to on Tinder. And George is looking at me like,

0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:01.000
<v Speaker 2>what is wrong with you? You have met him so

0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:04.760
<v Speaker 2>many times before that, he's been here, You have photos

0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:07.759
<v Speaker 2>on Facebook, like tagged photos with him. How did you

0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:10.120
<v Speaker 2>not realize that it was the same person? And how

0:40:10.200 --> 0:40:15.560
<v Speaker 2>also is he here looking at you not realizing that it's

0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:17.040
<v Speaker 2>the same person. I don't know if I was really

0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:18.040
<v Speaker 2>catfishing on Tinder?

0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:20.040
<v Speaker 1>Wait, so he didn't realize as well?

0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 2>No, because maybe I was a catfish because and I

0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:25.400
<v Speaker 2>really wasn't dressed up this night because it was just

0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:29.000
<v Speaker 2>a pub crawl with the boys, so I probably looked

0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:32.160
<v Speaker 2>like a foot anyway. So then I saw him and

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:35.680
<v Speaker 2>I go, oh, Nika, it's Kelly, and he goes, yeah,

0:40:35.719 --> 0:40:39.319
<v Speaker 2>I know, and I go Kelly from Tinder and he

0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:44.120
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, so he really didn't realize either. Neither

0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:47.239
<v Speaker 2>of us realized that we'd been talking to each other

0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:52.440
<v Speaker 2>and that we already knew each other, and just so strange.

0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:55.560
<v Speaker 4>That is actually really funny, but thank god both of

0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:56.800
<v Speaker 4>you didn't realize.

0:40:57.080 --> 0:40:57.319
<v Speaker 1>Yes.

0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 2>But then to make the whole hymn thing so much

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:04.840
<v Speaker 2>weirder is that then years later, my first ever solo

0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:09.360
<v Speaker 2>Barley trip, I was in this restaurant that my friend

0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:13.200
<v Speaker 2>was the head chef of in Chengu. Then these guys

0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:15.200
<v Speaker 2>came in and one of them looked really really familiar.

0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 2>One of them was talking to Dan, who was my

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:21.000
<v Speaker 2>friend that worked there. By the way, so me and

0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Nick then we were friends for years. So we've spent

0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:27.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot of time together over the next years and

0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:30.880
<v Speaker 2>potentially did we hook up, yes or no? Not confirming

0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:34.120
<v Speaker 2>potentially into me so knew each other quite well, some

0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:35.000
<v Speaker 2>might say.

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:37.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay, anyway, these I'm reading between the landes here.

0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:40.120
<v Speaker 2>These guys left, and one of the boys had just

0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:43.600
<v Speaker 2>been staring at me so weird, and then I sort

0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:45.080
<v Speaker 2>of just like made an excuse and.

0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:47.040
<v Speaker 3>Walked off because I was like, who are these weirdows?

0:41:47.640 --> 0:41:49.359
<v Speaker 2>Then I said to Dan, I said, oh my god,

0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:52.200
<v Speaker 2>that looked so much like this bloke that I know

0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:52.960
<v Speaker 2>in Sydney.

0:41:53.360 --> 0:41:55.520
<v Speaker 3>And he goes, oh, Nick, he's Australian.

0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:58.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah he is, shut up, Kelly.

0:41:58.440 --> 0:41:59.880
<v Speaker 3>And then he goes, oh, do you know him? And

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:03.080
<v Speaker 3>I was like, yes, yes I do.

0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:04.839
<v Speaker 1>Did he recognize you that time?

0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:06.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's why he'd been looking at me so weird.

0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:10.239
<v Speaker 2>I opened my messages and I said, did I just

0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:13.680
<v Speaker 2>see you and completely ignore you? And he's like, yeah,

0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:15.520
<v Speaker 2>I just had no idea what was going through your

0:42:15.560 --> 0:42:17.520
<v Speaker 2>face because you clearly had no idea who I was,

0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:19.319
<v Speaker 2>and I just didn't know what to do.

0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:20.160
<v Speaker 1>Damn.

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:23.400
<v Speaker 3>So someone with such a good memory, I clearly suck

0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:27.080
<v Speaker 3>at faces and just what is wrong with me? Honestly?

0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:29.279
<v Speaker 4>But also I get that when you're in like a

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:32.080
<v Speaker 4>different country. I know the proximity of Bali to Australia,

0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:34.080
<v Speaker 4>but you're not expecting it.

0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:37.799
<v Speaker 2>I was not expecting to run into someone that I knew.

0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:40.319
<v Speaker 2>But then Dan, after he said so do you know him?

0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:44.520
<v Speaker 2>I said, yeah, just intimately.

0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:48.839
<v Speaker 1>It's a Kelly. What is wrong with you?

0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Anyway?

0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:52.760
<v Speaker 2>That was, like I said, all dating stories are funny

0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:54.279
<v Speaker 2>even like they're fine.

0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they are, they are well.

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<v Speaker 3>Is your recommendation this week?

0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:06.000
<v Speaker 4>I am recommending an amazing television series that I have

0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:09.919
<v Speaker 4>been watching called Mobland. It's all one word because mob

0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:14.480
<v Speaker 4>Spaceland is a different show movie. Okay, Mobland one word.

0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:18.520
<v Speaker 4>That's a good point. Yes on Paramount Plus or if

0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:21.719
<v Speaker 4>you have Amazon Prime. It's free with Amazon Prime. So

0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:25.640
<v Speaker 4>it's a British crime drama and it's actually directed by

0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:30.160
<v Speaker 4>Guy Ritchie. The cast is incredible. So Tom Hardy plays

0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:33.319
<v Speaker 4>the lead. There's also Helen Mirren who plays called the

0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:37.040
<v Speaker 4>matriarch of this gangland family, and also Pierce Brosnan who

0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:41.080
<v Speaker 4>plays the patriarch of the family. So Harry DeSouza is

0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:43.239
<v Speaker 4>the character played by Tom Hardy, and he's like the

0:43:43.280 --> 0:43:46.520
<v Speaker 4>fixer for the family. So basically, whenever something comes up,

0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:50.160
<v Speaker 4>Harry is the guy that fixes it. And we meet

0:43:50.200 --> 0:43:52.360
<v Speaker 4>them at this bit of a crossroads for the family

0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:58.360
<v Speaker 4>where these different gangland families are kind of fighting for power,

0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:01.800
<v Speaker 4>but also the Harrigans that's the name of the lead

0:44:02.160 --> 0:44:05.000
<v Speaker 4>center family that the whole thing is based around, are

0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:08.600
<v Speaker 4>kind of losing their tight hold on basically the street

0:44:08.600 --> 0:44:12.040
<v Speaker 4>cred that they have within London, set in London, and

0:44:12.080 --> 0:44:14.800
<v Speaker 4>there's also a rat and there's all these different things.

0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:18.880
<v Speaker 4>But my god, the way that these episodes leave you

0:44:18.920 --> 0:44:22.400
<v Speaker 4>on a cliffhanger, it is quite violent. I'm just going

0:44:22.480 --> 0:44:24.160
<v Speaker 4>to preface that. But it's one of those shows that

0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:27.200
<v Speaker 4>you're just like, oh, I did not think that they

0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:30.480
<v Speaker 4>would do that. It has everything, it's got sex. The

0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:34.080
<v Speaker 4>casting of it was brilliant. Casting Pierce Brosnan and Helen

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:37.440
<v Speaker 4>Mirren as these kind of leaders of this family is

0:44:37.480 --> 0:44:40.799
<v Speaker 4>so good because they're completely cast against type. Because both

0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:44.440
<v Speaker 4>of those are known to the public as playing lovable

0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:49.200
<v Speaker 4>characters and really celebrated for their decodes on careers. They

0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:52.759
<v Speaker 4>play these Irish gangsters in this thing, and they are

0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:55.600
<v Speaker 4>both ruthless and it is just like I can imagine,

0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:59.640
<v Speaker 4>like you can see the fun that they are having playing.

0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:01.400
<v Speaker 3>World characters far out of their comfort zone.

0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:04.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and they're not caricatures, like they bring a lot

0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:07.880
<v Speaker 4>of like heart and depth to the roles of like

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:10.560
<v Speaker 4>the characters that they're playing. So they're really believable. And

0:45:10.600 --> 0:45:13.879
<v Speaker 4>it's whenever an actor who is so famous and so

0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:16.640
<v Speaker 4>well known, like Pierce brosn and played James Bond for years,

0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:19.720
<v Speaker 4>whenever they make you forget that they are Pierce Broslin

0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:22.400
<v Speaker 4>or Helen Mirren. I just think, as an audience, you

0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:25.040
<v Speaker 4>are so lucky to be able to see actors at

0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:27.040
<v Speaker 4>the top of their game, and it is so good.

0:45:27.080 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 4>So it drops weekly, but we are so far into

0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:32.160
<v Speaker 4>the series that you probably have I think eight episodes

0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:33.960
<v Speaker 4>and I think the last one is coming in the

0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:37.000
<v Speaker 4>next week or so. So it's a brilliant It's five

0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:39.480
<v Speaker 4>out of five for me, no notes, like I really

0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:42.160
<v Speaker 4>love it and I want to give too much away

0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:44.120
<v Speaker 4>because I love a British crime dramame.

0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:47.359
<v Speaker 1>It's like a modern Peaky Blinders, is how I would

0:45:47.400 --> 0:45:47.880
<v Speaker 1>explain it.

0:45:47.920 --> 0:45:52.040
<v Speaker 4>If you've seen Piky Blinders, also another fantastic TV show,

0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:54.520
<v Speaker 4>but it's period. So actually I'm going to give more

0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:57.280
<v Speaker 4>Bland four out of five because it's present day. Piky

0:45:57.320 --> 0:45:59.040
<v Speaker 4>Blinders is five out of five because it's period and

0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:01.799
<v Speaker 4>I love gone back to those twenties babes, so.

0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:05.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm going to watch that because after your last recommendation,

0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:09.520
<v Speaker 2>holy you are up there now with Laura Brodnick for

0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:11.360
<v Speaker 2>TV recommendations, I would say.

0:46:11.239 --> 0:46:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Because oh my god, that's a lovely compliment.

0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:17.480
<v Speaker 2>I can't even deal with how much I was so obsessed.

0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:20.080
<v Speaker 2>It was so much better than Pulse, which was what

0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:23.040
<v Speaker 2>spurred you to tell me about the Oh so good.

0:46:23.120 --> 0:46:25.400
<v Speaker 4>I couldn't even watch Pulse. Charlie and I were like

0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:28.000
<v Speaker 4>pissing ourselves laughing because it was too slow. We're like,

0:46:28.200 --> 0:46:32.000
<v Speaker 4>once you've watched that, once you've watched changed television. For me,

0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:35.440
<v Speaker 4>it's changed television, I think for everyone, the pace of it,

0:46:35.520 --> 0:46:38.560
<v Speaker 4>the depth that you care. Anyway, I'm going to stop

0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:40.360
<v Speaker 4>talking now because my voice is going, what's yours?

0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:42.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay, But I have questions that I need you to answer.

0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:47.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh for my recommendation. My recommendation is so weird this week,

0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:52.239
<v Speaker 2>but I just think it's so interesting. If you're interested

0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:57.640
<v Speaker 2>in ethics and morals and philosophy, you need to look

0:46:57.680 --> 0:46:59.239
<v Speaker 2>at this website that we will put in the show

0:46:59.280 --> 0:47:05.720
<v Speaker 2>notes of course, called Philosophy Experiments, because it will blow

0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:10.480
<v Speaker 2>your mind with how your thinking can change and make

0:47:10.840 --> 0:47:14.600
<v Speaker 2>absolutely no sense, or when something is perceived it can

0:47:14.640 --> 0:47:16.400
<v Speaker 2>be so different. So I'm going to give you an example,

0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:17.920
<v Speaker 2>and it's going to blow your mind, and then you're

0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:19.200
<v Speaker 2>going to want to go away and do all of

0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:20.839
<v Speaker 2>these tests and read all of this stuff because it's

0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:24.400
<v Speaker 2>so cool and interesting. All Right, if you're going for

0:47:24.440 --> 0:47:28.400
<v Speaker 2>a walk and there's a pond and there's a child

0:47:28.640 --> 0:47:32.440
<v Speaker 2>drowning in the pond, what do you think you're morally

0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:33.319
<v Speaker 2>required to do?

0:47:33.400 --> 0:47:36.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh, this has happened to me. I would save the child.

0:47:36.400 --> 0:47:38.440
<v Speaker 2>You had to save a child drowning in a pond

0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:42.640
<v Speaker 2>and the surf. Yeah, you saved the child that was drowning.

0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:47.279
<v Speaker 2>But say you're walking past and you're a little bit

0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:49.880
<v Speaker 2>late for work. You've got a really nice outfit on,

0:47:49.920 --> 0:47:52.000
<v Speaker 2>so obviously it's going to get destroyed if you go

0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:54.840
<v Speaker 2>into the pond. There are other people around to and

0:47:54.840 --> 0:47:56.520
<v Speaker 2>you're not sure one hundred percent if the child is

0:47:56.520 --> 0:47:59.000
<v Speaker 2>going to drown, and you think, oh, someone else will

0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:01.880
<v Speaker 2>probably probably save it, do you think you morally would

0:48:02.000 --> 0:48:03.040
<v Speaker 2>get in the water and.

0:48:02.960 --> 0:48:04.160
<v Speaker 3>Save the child.

0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely.

0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:09.840
<v Speaker 2>So say you're walking along and someone from Oxfam or

0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:13.480
<v Speaker 2>one of those places is like, can you please donate

0:48:13.520 --> 0:48:15.640
<v Speaker 2>a dollar? Yeah, I know what you're gonna say to

0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:18.480
<v Speaker 2>save this child in this other country, and you were

0:48:18.520 --> 0:48:20.560
<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent by paying a dollar, I'm going to

0:48:20.640 --> 0:48:21.560
<v Speaker 2>save a child's life.

0:48:22.400 --> 0:48:24.520
<v Speaker 3>Do you morally think that you were required to donate.

0:48:25.280 --> 0:48:28.319
<v Speaker 4>Ah, this is yeah, this is a hard one, isn't it,

0:48:28.360 --> 0:48:29.360
<v Speaker 4>Because it's removed.

0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:30.760
<v Speaker 1>It's like one step removed.

0:48:31.200 --> 0:48:35.520
<v Speaker 2>It's actually just blown my mind with how different frameworks

0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:37.720
<v Speaker 2>completely change your perception on different things.

0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:40.239
<v Speaker 3>And oh, it's so interesting.

0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:42.080
<v Speaker 1>That is really interesting.

0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:43.520
<v Speaker 4>I like that it's going to make me think, and

0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:45.560
<v Speaker 4>I think it'll probably make me a better person reading

0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:46.279
<v Speaker 4>these things too.

0:48:46.440 --> 0:48:47.919
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's a good or a bad thing,

0:48:48.040 --> 0:48:51.319
<v Speaker 2>but I'm a lot less than average with how I

0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:54.080
<v Speaker 2>think about things in terms like I'm too logical almost.

0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Ah okay, Yeah, Because if there was two train tracks,

0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:00.560
<v Speaker 2>as an example, and there was a train sort of

0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:04.799
<v Speaker 2>speeding towards you and five other people, and you could

0:49:04.840 --> 0:49:07.279
<v Speaker 2>divert it, but there was one person that was going

0:49:07.320 --> 0:49:10.360
<v Speaker 2>to die if you diverted it, would you think that

0:49:10.440 --> 0:49:13.319
<v Speaker 2>it was better morally to save yourself and the five

0:49:13.360 --> 0:49:14.920
<v Speaker 2>other people or the one person.

0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:17.160
<v Speaker 1>It'd be the five other people and me.

0:49:17.760 --> 0:49:20.160
<v Speaker 2>So I responded with that I didn't think there was

0:49:20.200 --> 0:49:23.000
<v Speaker 2>any moral difference, because as well, you could even then

0:49:23.120 --> 0:49:26.880
<v Speaker 2>argue that you're like changing the course of fate. Almost anyway,

0:49:27.040 --> 0:49:30.400
<v Speaker 2>it's so interesting, have a look at it. Obviously this

0:49:30.520 --> 0:49:32.400
<v Speaker 2>is not for everyone. It's obviously very niche, like some

0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:34.600
<v Speaker 2>people be go, oh, what is wrong with you? Kelly?

0:49:34.640 --> 0:49:38.359
<v Speaker 3>Honestly on that note, fairly well, please rate and review us.

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