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Speaker 1: Today's Jim, we're spilling the.

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Speaker 3: Tea on affordable dupes for those over hyped skincare products.

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Speaker 1: Trust us, they're not what you're expecting.

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Speaker 3: Plus how our makeup routine has gloriously simplified from our

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Speaker 3: twenties to our forties. And don't Mislee's genius multi masking

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Speaker 3: hack that's about to revolutionize your skincare game.

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Speaker 1: Let's dive in. Makeup is my therapy.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to You You Beauty, the daily podcast

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Speaker 2: for Your Face. I'm Lee Campbell, I'm Kelly mccaren.

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Speaker 3: On Mondays, we answer your beauty questions. If you do

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Speaker 2: You ask many questions. Later on in the episode, we're

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Speaker 2: taking a trip down memory lane talking about how getting older,

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Speaker 2: or maybe just changing decades, we're still young. Spring Chickens

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Speaker 2: has changed the way we do our makeup. But first,

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Speaker 2: let's chat about skincare.

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Speaker 1: Jupes, Let's talk about joop speed.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about serums and creams. Let's talk about all

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Speaker 2: the good creams and the bad creams that.

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Speaker 1: May be in the same packaging.

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Speaker 3: Lauren has asked, Hey, Kelly and Lee might not be possible,

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Speaker 3: but I'm hoping you can help with some affordable duops.

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Speaker 3: I'm always hearing about spendy skin products like skin suiticals,

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Speaker 3: Cee for Allic Serum, La Mer Cream, De La Mer,

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Speaker 3: moisturizing Cream, Touch of the Water Cream Sunday Riley Good Jeanes,

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Speaker 3: and of course anything from all Gustiness.

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Speaker 1: Better, Oh, especially the rich cream.

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Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with the before and afters for all of

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Speaker 3: these and the results just look amazing.

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Speaker 1: Are there any dupes you know.

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Speaker 2: Of, Lauren put your phone down, Well, don't because you

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Speaker 2: probably listen to us. Before and after's are fantastic in

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Speaker 3: And often it's clear that the person's smiling a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Different, lightings differently. Oh look, maybe they are great, but

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Speaker 2: there are other great products. We'll get to that, but

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Speaker 2: take before and afters with a grain of salt. A

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Speaker 2: brand will choose their very very very very best before

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Speaker 2: So these products you mentioned are fantastic and are very

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Speaker 2: very expensive. Some of them I would not spend my

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Speaker 2: a word on jupes. I don't really believe in jupes.

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Speaker 2: I believe in products that have similar ingredients or similar results,

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Speaker 2: But particularly with skincare, there's such complex recipes for lack

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Speaker 2: No, So you mentioned skin cuticle see effruic serum that

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Speaker 2: Moisturizing Cream full price, twenty two ninety nine. You cannot

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Speaker 2: Another one that's a good alternative that's expensive but not

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Speaker 2: So if it's not urgent popping on there. So this

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Speaker 2: Augustinus Beta, the rich cream. I've got two options for

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Speaker 2: many times. It's the ol Hendrickson Strength Trainer Peptide Boost moisturizer.

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Speaker 2: So there's some more affordable products for those favorite ones.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to add one in. Yes, you did

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Speaker 2: Wow, under five, not to like three hundred and four

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Speaker 2: like if you're slugging, that's your last step. Yeah, gorgeous.

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Speaker 3: But if you like Lamar in terms of how moisturizing

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Speaker 2: My mum swears by Lamire and still buys it and

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Speaker 2: I don't know how old it is anyway, don't have

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Speaker 2: to spend all the money. Those products you mentioned are beautiful,

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Speaker 3: Coming up after the break, I'm going to tell you

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Speaker 3: what twenty year old Kelly did to a poorole face.

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Speaker 2: So Jesse has asked, Hello, Kelly and Lee, I want

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Speaker 2: to know what is the key difference in your makeup

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Speaker 2: routine in your thirties compared to in your twenties. I'm

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Speaker 3: I mean, you don't have to if it's still working

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Speaker 3: for you, Like why not. It's just funny because when

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Speaker 3: oh my word, I'm thinking my early twenties. I sorted

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Speaker 3: was quite the disaster, tell me. And I've had quite

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Speaker 3: What a you makeup packs?

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Speaker 2: You don't have to use a face mask all over

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Speaker 3: Then what I'll do is I'll use like a detoxifying

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Speaker 2: It's like that green. It is a clay, but it's

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Speaker 2: Nope. So I'll just use that on my chin. I

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Speaker 2: I use a microfiber cloth to gently remove everything, and

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Speaker 3: Oh that's very good reminder. Thank you, especially at the

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Speaker 3: moment like spring. Sometimes your skin's playing up a little

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Speaker 2: Oh, just my skin likes to just it's like me.

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Speaker 2: I've got various personalities and my face is like me too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I stole it from TikTok. Actually it's such

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Speaker 1: Most people don't know, but it's a.

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Speaker 3: Really good So celebrities have access to the best of

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Speaker 3: a good lie Ice shape, eye shade, hair color. You

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Speaker 2: I could not agree more.

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Speaker 3: It's so genius because it's like when you don't really

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Speaker 2: I love that for Ice Shape. In terms of like

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Speaker 2: That is so clever Kelly.

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, I didn't come up with it. I

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Speaker 2: Well, I do it for fashion. I haven't thought about

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