Speaker 1: Hello, out louders, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to what women are
Speaker 1: actually talking about on Friday, the tenth of July, and
Speaker 1: Mama Mia out loud.
Speaker 2: My name is Holly Wayne.
Speaker 3: Right, I'm m Vernon and I'm MEA Friedman.
Speaker 2: Whoo, We've got mia On. I love it. And here's
Speaker 2: what's made our agenda for today.
Speaker 3: Two women with very high public profiles are going through
Speaker 3: some very private tragedies right now in front of the world,
Speaker 3: and I really want to talk about how on earth
Speaker 3: you handle that.
Speaker 4: There's also a very new podcast that's going viral because
Speaker 4: the hosts are unexpected.
Speaker 2: I think they're coming for our job.
Speaker 1: Oh no, And I thought that I needed couples therapy,
Speaker 1: but actually all I need is was this pithy new
Speaker 1: Instagram trend. Just wait and find out what that is.
Speaker 1: But in case you missed it, there was another big
Speaker 1: wedding this weekend. So we talked on the show obviously
Speaker 1: on Monday and on Wednesday and every day really about
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift's enormous wedding.
Speaker 2: And on Fridays we don't.
Speaker 1: Do news, but I would suggest that this doesn't break
Speaker 1: that because it's not really news because you've never heard
Speaker 1: of these people. But this wedding story bumps up against
Speaker 1: a lot of out loud law, so I feel like
Speaker 1: the outlouders will be into it. Will Pelts, right, I
Speaker 1: don't think that's the name that many of us know.
Speaker 1: But the Peltzes, you do know, because they're embroiled in
Speaker 1: the Beckham.
Speaker 3: They're Beckham adjacent.
Speaker 1: They're Beckham adjacent exactly. Nicola Peltz Beckham is, of course
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Beckham's wife, and their wedding a few years ago,
Speaker 1: as we know well.
Speaker 3: Of course, really delivered.
Speaker 2: Of Mayhem. Taylor should have taken more notes.
Speaker 4: They're like the Harry and Meghan, except they have money.
Speaker 1: Four ouch from Harry and megsim Anyway, Nicola Peltz's parents
Speaker 1: are called Nelson Pelts and Claudia Pelts, and they have
Speaker 1: been married for forty years, which is no smaller gievement.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Nelson is eighty four years old. He has ten kids,
Speaker 1: eight of those are with Claudia, So the empire is big.
Speaker 1: So we know that one of those eight children married
Speaker 1: a British prince.
Speaker 2: We know that happened.
Speaker 3: What's so interesting is to me about this story is
Speaker 3: that Nicola gives such only child energy. I never knew
Speaker 3: she had siblings.
Speaker 2: Not just some siblings, because she said all of those, because.
Speaker 3: You know they's so. It's always posing for pictures with
Speaker 3: her parents, her parents. It's Brooklyn and her and her parents.
Speaker 3: There are never any siblings.
Speaker 2: In the picture because they won't fit in the frame,
Speaker 2: many of them. Anyway.
Speaker 1: Her brother Will is a forty year old actor and
Speaker 1: he just married for forty eight.
Speaker 3: Hey, he looks eight.
Speaker 2: He does look really young.
Speaker 1: We discussed this is the age is really young, averys
Speaker 1: not to ev it's not me. He just married his
Speaker 1: long term partner who has blistering gen X credentials. Some
Speaker 1: of us will care about this, some of us won't.
Speaker 1: His partner is called Kenya Jones. Her mom is Natasha Kinsky.
Speaker 2: Do you know that name at all?
Speaker 1: She was a really she's an actress in a model right,
Speaker 1: and she's really big in the eighties, very cool, very beautiful,
Speaker 1: was in like art house movies. Was like the thinking
Speaker 1: man's obsession.
Speaker 3: For a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, remember I do remember him embroiled in a few dudars.
Speaker 2: Anyway. Her dad is Quincy Jones.
Speaker 1: You've heard of Quincy Jones, legendary music producer, died a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. It produced all Michael Jackson's big hits.
Speaker 3: So another Peltz child has married into a Nippo family.
Speaker 2: Absolutely right.
Speaker 1: And the wedding, well, let's just say that it seems
Speaker 1: that Kenya, who is the bride, learned some lessons from
Speaker 1: what happened with the Brooklyn and Nicola wedding. And this
Speaker 1: wedding is all over vogue and it is beautiful. But
Speaker 1: what is notable about it, Mia, is it appears to
Speaker 1: have been entirely orchestrated by the Peltzis. Would you agree
Speaker 1: Claudia was the matron of honor, so her mother in
Speaker 1: law was the matron of honor. It would be like
Speaker 1: Jesse having Mia as her matron of.
Speaker 2: Honor, didn't she I didn't even know matron honor was
Speaker 2: a thing. Well it is if.
Speaker 3: Your very you've made me think about this differently now whole,
Speaker 3: because it's now all the clear that all the children
Speaker 3: are jockeying for position to get paid well in the will,
Speaker 3: and so it's how much can you suck up to
Speaker 3: mom and dad to get number one positions? So there
Speaker 3: were so many things about this that were different, and
Speaker 3: it was an exercise in sycophancy. Really is that how
Speaker 3: you say it's sick of fancy? I'm looking at you.
Speaker 3: Do you have a tertiary education?
Speaker 2: You've been planning and giography.
Speaker 3: You're the only one here. So Also, Nikola was a bride'smaid,
Speaker 3: she was the bride's mother. Nostasy Kinski was completely omitted
Speaker 3: from the folk coverage, and she's iconic, and the bridal
Speaker 3: party photo focus was just it. Actually it wasn't her
Speaker 3: getting ready with her sisters or bridesmaids. It was just
Speaker 3: the groom getting ready with his brothers, and just mostly
Speaker 3: pictures of her with her mother in law.
Speaker 1: I want you to read between the lines of this
Speaker 1: quote in Vogue. Planning alongside family was something I'd always
Speaker 1: looked forward to. Will's incredible mother, Claudia was the heart
Speaker 1: of the process, as with everything she does, I found
Speaker 1: myself learning so much from her.
Speaker 2: I think Claudia planned the way she has been taken
Speaker 2: as hostage.
Speaker 1: I think, basically, I think what ken you worked out
Speaker 1: is surrender, just surrender to the Pelts is because do
Speaker 1: you remember that when Brooklyn and Nicola got married and
Speaker 1: all the hell broke loose and are currently Victoria danced
Speaker 1: on Brooklyn and all those things. They then had a
Speaker 1: second wedding. Do you remember the Pelts house where it
Speaker 1: looks a lot like this one. I was the only
Speaker 1: family in the picture of the pelts.
Speaker 3: Is, and nobody danced up him.
Speaker 4: I also remember the leaked group chat screenshots of Brooklyn
Speaker 4: going burgers for the boys and vegan burgers for the girls,
Speaker 4: and Nicola going, don't listen to Brooklyn. He has no
Speaker 4: idea what he's talking about. Guys, I have terrible news.
Speaker 4: The nuns are cutting our grass. The nuns explain yoursel
Speaker 4: Dominican sisters. They've started a podcast and it's hosted by
Speaker 4: sister Miriam. So it's gone absolutely viral. If you're on
Speaker 4: TikTok or Instagram, you might have seen some social clips.
Speaker 2: There was a huge.
Speaker 4: Conspiracy that it was so wild that this was Ai.
Speaker 4: It's not AI.
Speaker 3: I thought it was maybe satire. I did see a
Speaker 3: social clip and then got quite involved and found it
Speaker 3: quite soothing to listen to them.
Speaker 4: It is amazing. So the purpose of this podcast is
Speaker 4: to nurture academic, emotional, and spiritual growth by equipping individuals
Speaker 4: or tools for self knowledge, virtue, and a deeper Relationship
Speaker 4: with Christ and others, and it is one of the
Speaker 4: best podcasts I've ever listened.
Speaker 1: Okay, that sounds no offense to all our religious listeners.
Speaker 1: That sounds really boring, So tell me why is this
Speaker 1: not boring.
Speaker 2: Here's a little clip of the sisters talking.
Speaker 3: I heard of one since super Lance. She tried to
Speaker 3: drive the speed limit like the whole time, so.
Speaker 2: She gave up speeding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she gave us speeding.
Speaker 1: She's like, I want to like work on having a work,
Speaker 1: like a contemplative piece of Like she gave.
Speaker 2: Up speeding for Lance.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't want to be really judging, but I
Speaker 1: thought that was like DCC.
Speaker 2: Oh, it is very similar to DCC.
Speaker 3: I think that's what's they're rebranding Nunnery.
Speaker 4: They're rebranding Nunnery, And from watching a lot of clips,
Speaker 4: I was like, why do I want to join a convent? Like,
Speaker 4: I don't understand why I am so obsessed with this?
Speaker 2: And then I saw it.
Speaker 4: I saw a TikTok by a stand up comedian named
Speaker 4: Yvette Sagan, and she explained perfectly why we are all
Speaker 4: obsessed with these nuns.
Speaker 5: Keep getting videos of nuns doing a podcast and I'm
Speaker 5: realizing that I've never been happy before because these women.
Speaker 5: They have one of them just like being like, what
Speaker 5: do you like to do for fun?
Speaker 3: And then the other one's like, I don't know, I
Speaker 3: just really like cooking.
Speaker 6: And then the first time's like you're so good at cooking, sister,
Speaker 6: and she's like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just really love it.
Speaker 5: I watched him talk for like a minute and a
Speaker 5: half about ultimate frisbee.
Speaker 3: There's just like gas each other up. They're just like,
Speaker 3: you love altimate frisbee. She's like, I just love it.
Speaker 3: We all flee together like yes, sister, Like, how are
Speaker 3: they doing this? I know it's because they don't talk
Speaker 3: to men? Oh my god?
Speaker 6: I love it.
Speaker 3: So it's everything the Internet is not. It's positive, it's optimistic,
Speaker 3: it's simple. There are no hot takes, there's no snark,
Speaker 3: there's no Devil's Advocate quite literally.
Speaker 2: Do you know what else? There's no talking to men,
Speaker 2: oh or about men, or about men.
Speaker 4: They pass the Bechdel test every single time. It is
Speaker 4: just so good.
Speaker 2: And wholesome, cool Bechdel test.
Speaker 1: No. The podcast The Dominican Sisters, that's what it's called,
Speaker 1: The Dominican Sisters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, and I you know what, I think we need.
Speaker 3: Aand can you explain to me why they're doing it.
Speaker 3: I mean, everybody's a brand now because God needs some brand.
Speaker 4: They want to re educate people about Christ, so a.
Speaker 2: Lot of it.
Speaker 4: It's a lot about like prayers and talking about God,
Speaker 4: which is the only man I guess they speak about.
Speaker 2: But they're all controversial takes.
Speaker 4: There are episodes where it's literally them just talking about
Speaker 4: their hobbies and what they like to do for fun.
Speaker 3: I would have loved to be in that strategy meeting. Guys.
Speaker 3: We need to rebrand. We need to rebrand, We need
Speaker 3: to make the convent sexy.
Speaker 2: Look with the nuns listening to this show right.
Speaker 3: Now, I would like to know if there are any
Speaker 3: none out louders.
Speaker 1: I will too, But don't start thinking you're going to
Speaker 1: make a podcast. In a moment, we will be back
Speaker 1: with a conversation about women going through unbelievable things in
Speaker 1: the glare of publicity.
Speaker 5: There is no easy way to say this or to
Speaker 5: talk about any of this. But late last year, our
Speaker 5: daughter Whimsy got diagnosed with cancer and after a lot
Speaker 5: of X rays, ultrasounds, and finally a biopsy, they immediately
Speaker 5: called us and said that she had cancer, told us
Speaker 5: it had spread and that she needs to come and
Speaker 5: start chemo treatments immediately. Having found all of this out
Speaker 5: and navigating this while postpartum, also loving and caring for
Speaker 5: our other kids at home, also being in the hospital
Speaker 5: with Whimsy a lot, and balancing work on top of
Speaker 5: that has been really challenging. And finding that balance is
Speaker 5: something that I struggle with on a daily basis. Some
Speaker 5: days are a little easier, some days are really hard.
Speaker 3: And that's Narsmith, the twenty four year old model turned
Speaker 3: TikTok phenomenon. She's famous for those dreamy, slightly unhinged videos
Speaker 3: where she makes everything from scratch, like bubblegum, fruit loops,
Speaker 3: butter cheese, green.
Speaker 1: Gown with a full face of maker. People often call
Speaker 1: her trad wife, but she's not a trad wife. That's
Speaker 1: not what she does.
Speaker 3: Well, it's the tradi it's not the trade wife aesthetic,
Speaker 3: you're right, but it's the trad wife idea of sort
Speaker 3: of doing everything from scratch and being a wife and
Speaker 3: mother as your top you know, missions and purpose in life.
Speaker 3: She's married to another model called Lucky Blue Smith, and
Speaker 3: they have four little kids, including a newborn, and yeah,
Speaker 3: it's sort of high Ballerina, but make it high fashion.
Speaker 3: So she it's almost quite camp what she does. It's
Speaker 3: very controlled and very esthetic though. And then, as you
Speaker 3: heard last week, she posted this announcement about her two
Speaker 3: year old daughter as cancer diagnosis, and I've been thinking
Speaker 3: so much about it, and she started sharing she said
Speaker 3: it happened actually last year, and then some people noticed
Speaker 3: that she went a little bit more quiet on social
Speaker 3: but now she said, whimsies through the first part of
Speaker 3: her chemo, the first part of her treatment. And so
Speaker 3: now she's sharing a few of the images and footage
Speaker 3: that they took during the treatment. And I thought about
Speaker 3: what an incredibly difficult line she now has to walk,
Speaker 3: because she's not one of those influences that has ever
Speaker 3: talked about the mess of her life. It's always this
Speaker 3: very controlled, very esthetic idea of what her life is like.
Speaker 3: It's as if someone did cooking or mothering for Vogue magazine.
Speaker 3: That's what it looks like. Yeah, and how do you
Speaker 3: marry the brutal reality of what's happening to her and
Speaker 3: her family and her privately with what she still has
Speaker 3: to do publicly because she is. I imagine she's the
Speaker 3: main breadwinner. She's got a whole lot of contracts and
Speaker 3: things that she needs to keep doing. She's a brand,
Speaker 3: she's a business. Influencers are businesses, and so how do
Speaker 3: you balance the privacy of her children with her brand.
Speaker 3: It's just unimaginably difficult. And I've been thinking about this
Speaker 3: a lot, particularly because also last week a very long
Speaker 3: feature dropped in New York mag about another woman with
Speaker 3: a very public profile who's also going through an unimaginable
Speaker 3: tragedy in real time. Can you fill everybody in on
Speaker 3: Savannah Guthrie.
Speaker 1: So we've talked about Savannah Guthrie on out Loud before.
Speaker 1: She is the Today's Show anchor in the US who
Speaker 1: sort of think about like nap bar. You know, she's
Speaker 1: been on Breakfast TV for a really long time, on
Speaker 1: a high profile show. It's obviously bigger than Australian telling
Speaker 1: Bell Doyle at the Height the Sunrise.
Speaker 2: Yes, very much.
Speaker 1: Yeah so in lots of people's living room. And her
Speaker 1: persona is very calm, very positive, very like nations mum
Speaker 1: a little bit right.
Speaker 2: And she found out just on the eve of she
Speaker 2: was supposed to.
Speaker 1: Be flying to Milan to cover the Winter Olympics when
Speaker 1: her eighty four year old mum, Nancy went missing. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure this case is ringing bells for a lot
Speaker 1: of listeners. She has not been found, no credible leads
Speaker 1: have been found. So at some point and obviously in
Speaker 1: the immediate aftermath of her mother going missing, Savannah of
Speaker 1: course used her platform and her media profile to ask
Speaker 1: for as much help as possible with the case. Here
Speaker 1: is a grab of her talking not long after the disappearance.
Speaker 6: Who took an eighty four year old woman in the
Speaker 6: dead of night, in her pajamas, with no shoes, without
Speaker 6: her medicine? This little person, This isn't that case that
Speaker 6: you are used to where someone wanders off.
Speaker 3: She can't under art.
Speaker 6: I think my brother, he said, I think she's been
Speaker 6: kidnapped for ransom. I didn't want to believe.
Speaker 3: I just sad because of me.
Speaker 6: To think that I brought this to her bedside just.
Speaker 3: Too much to be.
Speaker 1: It's just the most Both of these stories, obviously in
Speaker 1: different ways, are just the most nightmarish scenarios. And so
Speaker 1: Savannah in talking about that grace under pressure and how
Speaker 1: you handle this when everybody's obsessed with your case or
Speaker 1: your story or you She took nine weeks off work,
Speaker 1: focused entirely on this and the search for her mum,
Speaker 1: and then of course she had to make a decision
Speaker 1: whether or not she was going to come back, and
Speaker 1: she did, and when she first came back the Today
Speaker 1: Show audience really welcomed her in. There was quite an
Speaker 1: emotional return. She talked about it a bit, but since
Speaker 1: then she just she's just been carrying on and doing
Speaker 1: her job as normal, because what are your choices? The
Speaker 1: thing that's interesting about your question, mere about what are
Speaker 1: you supposed to do when the private and public life
Speaker 1: is so out of whack. Of course, one of the
Speaker 1: things that's different about this is that Nara Smith in
Speaker 1: a way was able to This happened at the end
Speaker 1: of last year, as she said that her little daughter
Speaker 1: was diagnosed, and she has been able to keep it
Speaker 1: under wraps, which to your point, Man, if she was
Speaker 1: a different kind of content creator, she probably wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been able to.
Speaker 3: Well, we have a comparison in our own Mum and
Speaker 3: Meir family in the form of Kate Langbrook, whose son
Speaker 3: was diagnosed with leukemia when she was hosting Breakfast Radio
Speaker 3: and there's nothing more. I mean the whole bread and
Speaker 3: butter of breakfast radio as the host talking about their lives,
Speaker 3: and she was co hosting. I think it was Nova
Speaker 3: Breakfast with Hughsey, and for the I think it was
Speaker 3: a number of years that he was in treatment and
Speaker 3: people did know, but the media never Everyone who knew
Speaker 3: guarded her privacy ferociously and it was never made public
Speaker 3: until she was ready to make it public. And I've
Speaker 3: talked to her. I interviewed her about this actually and
Speaker 3: talk to her privately about you know, the toilet takes
Speaker 3: when you can't be your whole self. But at the
Speaker 3: same time, she said it was a respite, like going
Speaker 3: to work and getting to joke around with Hughsey and
Speaker 3: do something that had nothing to do with the absolute
Speaker 3: crisis her family was living through. She said that was
Speaker 3: actually a lifeline for her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's a Nara Smith. I think if her
Speaker 1: content was here are all my kids, everybody knows them
Speaker 1: all really well.
Speaker 2: But that's not really what she.
Speaker 1: Does like And so I guess one of the things
Speaker 1: it's all about perfection, yes, And one of the things
Speaker 1: is that's quite jarring about it, really is it makes
Speaker 1: you realize, although in the case of Narasmith, it isn't
Speaker 1: jarring because that is what she did, that we follow
Speaker 1: these people's lives and we're invested in them, but we
Speaker 1: don't really know them, nor should we have that parasocial.
Speaker 1: It's a reminder that Nara Smith is a human. She
Speaker 1: cops a lot of criticism for whatever she presents, as
Speaker 1: well as a lot of fandom. But like the post
Speaker 1: that she posted immediately before this, for example, was a classic,
Speaker 1: a Narasmith classic, in that she was in a revealing
Speaker 1: like red evening gown and sonnies that were spon Con
Speaker 1: and she made this whole amazing meal in her spon
Speaker 1: Con sonnis and it got lots of followers and it
Speaker 1: was great and everything. She's been doing that and doing
Speaker 1: that four months while dealing with a little child in hospital,
Speaker 1: so it's extraordinary.
Speaker 4: I also think a difference between these two cases is
Speaker 4: that one is self employed in the other one is
Speaker 4: an employee, and I wonder how that plays out differently
Speaker 4: Because I was looking through Naras Smith's Instagram and she's
Speaker 4: been posting throughout the year, the gap wasn't huge, like
Speaker 4: it was a big gap between her doing pieces to camera,
Speaker 4: but she was still doing carousels of like her holiday
Speaker 4: with her family, and then her last two posts have
Speaker 4: been about her daughter and her daughter's health journey, And
Speaker 4: the only thing I could think of is like, what
Speaker 4: could she possibly post next?
Speaker 1: But I think that the way that Nara Smith has
Speaker 1: handled this, which is like at the crux of it,
Speaker 1: as you say, is basically a woman with a job
Speaker 1: dealing with something very hard and having to keep doing
Speaker 1: her job. It just happens that her job is incredibly
Speaker 1: forward facing. It looks like she is held off posting
Speaker 1: til now because her daughter seems to be doing well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: her first round of treatment has finished. She obviously feels
Speaker 1: that now they can breathe out a little bit and
Speaker 1: go public with it.
Speaker 3: And she hasn't. I thought it was interesting she didn't
Speaker 3: disclose what cancer it was. She did disclose that it
Speaker 3: had progressed. She talked about a biopsy. I'm not in
Speaker 3: Reddit threads, but I imagine there's a lot of speculation.
Speaker 1: But I think that in the long term, what this
Speaker 1: says about her brand resilience, empathy, Like who doesn't love
Speaker 1: in a way like I have a lot of empathy
Speaker 1: for her.
Speaker 3: We should also make clear that we are not criticizing
Speaker 3: these women in any way. We're very much coming at
Speaker 3: this through the lens of as if it's not enough
Speaker 3: what they're going through, Like so many women who are
Speaker 3: facing grief or illness or tragedy or bereavement, you still
Speaker 3: have to turning up and earning a living. I think
Speaker 3: she has to do that when you're one of the
Speaker 3: most famous women in the world.
Speaker 2: I think she's handled it faultlessly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think pausing, like not telling everybody the minute
Speaker 1: it happened, giving the family six seven months of privacy
Speaker 1: and keeping the keeping everything moving.
Speaker 3: Is hipping the child's face out of She's posted photos
Speaker 3: that show her face in the hospital and the back
Speaker 3: of her child's head, and that they've had to They
Speaker 3: shaved Whimsy's head because she was going to lose her hair.
Speaker 3: So they've what I've noticed, though, and again, this is
Speaker 3: something that is so such a burden on women in
Speaker 3: the public eye. We saw this a long time ago
Speaker 3: with Heather Armstrong, who was one of the original when
Speaker 3: they were what they were called mummy bloggers, and she
Speaker 3: had a blog called Deuce and she wrote about parenting,
Speaker 3: and she was one of the biggest influences on me.
Speaker 3: I thought she was absolutely amazing and that was her.
Speaker 3: She started a sort of as a way to express herself.
Speaker 3: It then became a business. She then got divorced, and
Speaker 3: that's when her audience turned on her because they had
Speaker 3: invested in her in this parasocial way, and she never
Speaker 3: portrayed her marriage as perfect or anything. That was what
Speaker 3: was so great about her. She was one of the
Speaker 3: first to portray parenting and mental health and relationships and
Speaker 3: marriage in all its hilarious, annoying, you know what's in
Speaker 3: all way that it is. But when she then shut
Speaker 3: the gate on what she was prepared to talk about
Speaker 3: when she got divorced, her audience turned. They were like,
Speaker 3: you owe us this.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's the case with Nara because she's
Speaker 3: never she's never been in been that. But with Savannah,
Speaker 3: she's had her mother on the show before. She's spoken
Speaker 3: that's breakfast television is like breakfast radio. You have to
Speaker 3: your family becomes very much part of the cast and
Speaker 3: part of the story and part of your story. And
Speaker 3: so again, from a business point of view, they had
Speaker 3: to navigate that. I was watching her do this interview
Speaker 3: with j Loo and about her new movie the other
Speaker 3: day and talking about Brett Goldstein and are you two
Speaker 3: really dating? And she's so professional, she's so brilliant, and
Speaker 3: I just imagined her thinking, oh wow, what you're going
Speaker 3: through the awkwardness of it all? And she was amazing,
Speaker 3: But it was overlaid when I was watching thing.
Speaker 1: But I think that if you watched her every day,
Speaker 1: you'd forget, like I genuinely do, because I think the
Speaker 1: thing is is that as you've already made this point,
Speaker 1: but I think that women and men are doing their
Speaker 1: jobs every day with all kinds of shit going on,
Speaker 1: sick parents, trude, sick children, grief, loss, divorce, and they're
Speaker 1: getting on with it. And you'll be working with someone
Speaker 1: and you often have no idea what's happening behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: Now Savanah Grothrie doesn't have that luxury because also what
Speaker 1: happened to her mother is an enormous national crime story,
Speaker 1: so every development is interesting to the people. But if
Speaker 1: you watched her every day, that would just become sort
Speaker 1: of part of her story, part of her myth. You
Speaker 1: wouldn't think twice about the fact she's interviewing Jalo today
Speaker 1: and tomorrow. I mean, I don't know whether it would
Speaker 1: be a good thing or a bad thing to have
Speaker 1: closure on such an awful story, but tomorrow she might
Speaker 1: be reporting on something awful having happened in this case.
Speaker 2: I did read that her.
Speaker 1: Employers, because she's news adjacent and what she does, well,
Speaker 1: not even news adjacent, but news is what she does.
Speaker 1: They have barriers and boundaries in place for if what
Speaker 1: would happen if there was a development in the case,
Speaker 1: and her not having to react in real time to it,
Speaker 1: and her being able to come off the show and
Speaker 1: all those things. I think it's extraordinary. But I think
Speaker 1: that women, and I'm sure meant to, but we're extraordinarily
Speaker 1: resilient in the face of this kind of stuff, and
Speaker 1: I think we get on with it.
Speaker 2: Look at Princess Catherine. She just climbed three mountains.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was incredible. The way she was able to
Speaker 3: to keep control what she kept private and speak on
Speaker 3: her terms.
Speaker 1: It started in a shamozzle. Remember when two years ago, Kate,
Speaker 1: when Princess Catherine was first diagnosed with cancer, it was
Speaker 1: this global mess, and I think they bungled the beginning
Speaker 1: and they.
Speaker 3: Learned a lot, and I think what they learned is
Speaker 3: that people were really invested in Kate. You know, it
Speaker 3: wasn't just the gossip. People really cared and when she disappeared,
Speaker 3: people were concerned and they wanted to know. And yes,
Speaker 3: that must feel intrusive, and it is intrusive, but in
Speaker 3: many cases it comes from the fact that people feel
Speaker 3: very invested in their relationship.
Speaker 1: And they handled it slow return, like just dropping her
Speaker 1: into things slowly, slowly, slowly. And now she's very respective
Speaker 1: and it's become part of her story and she's raising
Speaker 1: money for the hospital where she was treated.
Speaker 2: So it's amazing.
Speaker 1: Really, in a moment, we're going to be back in
Speaker 1: your ears talking about airport.
Speaker 2: Believe me, you might need one.
Speaker 1: Look, I thought I needed to go to couple therapy,
Speaker 1: but actually I just needed a pithy little Instagram trend
Speaker 1: and thank God for that. Brent and I are good
Speaker 1: together almost everywhere except for airports, train stations, shopping centers, supermarkets,
Speaker 1: all of those places we need a divorce, and luckily
Speaker 1: for me, that is now becoming acceptable quite a lot
Speaker 1: of places.
Speaker 2: There's quite a lot of places.
Speaker 1: Let me introduce you to the concept of an airport divorce.
Speaker 1: This is all over social media at the minute. Because
Speaker 1: in the Northern Hemisphere, of course everybody's traveling, and down
Speaker 1: here too, it's the school whole days. Everybody's traveling. And
Speaker 1: the idea is that very often in couples, and not
Speaker 1: only heteroscial couples, but it might be your friend, it
Speaker 1: might be you know, and also same sex relationships. People
Speaker 1: have different traveling styles, like Mia likes to wander an airport,
Speaker 1: for example, I've traveled with you, you like to wander.
Speaker 1: M likes to be at the gate early. Yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: And this is the case in lots of relationship We
Speaker 1: all should be Sunday Times travel color Miss Hugh Oliver
Speaker 1: wrote about he and his wife getting an airport divorced
Speaker 1: in a column last year.
Speaker 3: And I need to be paged for my flight. Oh no,
Speaker 3: it's not time to go to the gate until you
Speaker 3: hear your name called over the loud.
Speaker 4: I need you to stop, because I'm actually getting really anxious.
Speaker 3: He wrote.
Speaker 1: When we get past the bag scanners and snake through
Speaker 1: Judy Free, the friction begins. I'm just going to have
Speaker 1: a look here. There's more Wana in the smellies area.
Speaker 1: You know, we all know that this is like an International,
Speaker 1: when you want the smelly's area perfume, you know, may
Speaker 1: the smellies area. I'm just going to have a look here,
Speaker 1: I shuffled along behind her. She handled the moisturizer for
Speaker 1: a few seconds and then returned it and again and
Speaker 1: a third time. Are you just going to pick objects
Speaker 1: up and then put them back down for half an hour?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, she said, that's what I like doing at the airport.
Speaker 1: And it was at that fateful moment that we chose
Speaker 1: to park company and link up later on the plane. Therefore,
Speaker 1: the airport divorced. Our mutual travel history is a series
Speaker 1: of episodes involving me repeating, shall we get in the
Speaker 1: queue then, and her responding, but why so the airport divorce.
Speaker 1: You get through security, you say I'll see you on
Speaker 1: the plane. Yeah, bye, of course, And this everybody did that.
Speaker 2: No, they don't do that at all.
Speaker 3: Oh I do that. It doesn't it anyone that I'm
Speaker 3: traveling with. I say see you at security because I
Speaker 3: like to run my own race, and run is often involved.
Speaker 3: Because I'll give you an example. The last time I
Speaker 3: traveled a few weeks ago, I was going to Japan.
Speaker 3: I was traveling on my own so that's the most
Speaker 3: dangerous time because there's not even anyone who's like, where
Speaker 3: are you, So I must have lost track of time.
Speaker 3: And also I was thinking, well, they say boarding starts
Speaker 3: at this time, but it's an international flight, so it
Speaker 3: would take a really long time and I'll just get
Speaker 3: in at the end. So I wandered into I realized
Speaker 3: I needed an extra power cord or charger, so I
Speaker 3: was just buying that and put some chewing gum, and
Speaker 3: then this woman comes running and I recognize she recognized
Speaker 3: me because she checked me in, and so she said,
Speaker 3: quick quick, we've got to go, and we ran. She
Speaker 3: grabbed me and she made me run. It was quite
Speaker 3: a long way. She said, I you're the last one.
Speaker 3: The plane's waiting. This is an international flight. Yea planes waiting.
Speaker 3: And we ran. We ran quite a long way, and
Speaker 3: I was like, I kept saying, I'm so sorry, I'm
Speaker 3: so sorry, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: We should be she should be sorry.
Speaker 3: I'd be in a shop in the middle of the
Speaker 3: Sydney's International Airport and she said, I reckon remembered you
Speaker 3: from when I checked you in, and so I've just
Speaker 3: been looking for you. Look for the brighter colored lady,
Speaker 3: and so then there were just all people just and
Speaker 3: then I'm just going to play going. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. No,
Speaker 3: that is a routine for me.
Speaker 1: For a lot of couples, the airport experience is part
Speaker 1: of the trip, right, Like you're if you're going on holiday,
Speaker 1: you don't fly all the time. You're going on holiday.
Speaker 1: You get there three hours early or two hours early
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's like we're gonna have a drink, We're
Speaker 1: gonna do it like it's part of the trip. The
Speaker 1: point about it port divorce is recognizing that, no, if
Speaker 1: your travels styles are different, you've got to get divorce.
Speaker 1: It's like sleep divorce where they say I still love you,
Speaker 1: but sleep in another room. Yeah, as I say, I
Speaker 1: think they should be supermarket divorce and train station divorce.
Speaker 2: I just think when.
Speaker 4: We're at an airport, it's really important that we stay.
Speaker 2: In a group.
Speaker 4: Yep, you're not going to like that, and that we
Speaker 4: all know what everyone is doing at all times. I
Speaker 4: once went on a work trip to Perth and it
Speaker 4: was one of those work trips where it was like
Speaker 4: me and then other journals from other publications. And then
Speaker 4: a few of us had the same flight back to
Speaker 4: Sydney and we were sitting at the gate, and then
Speaker 4: one of them got up to go get a sandwich,
Speaker 4: and she didn't tell me.
Speaker 2: Well, why would she tell?
Speaker 4: Well, she got up to leave, and I thought we
Speaker 4: all agreed that we were all just going to stay together.
Speaker 3: You're not penguin. We are though.
Speaker 4: You are because we all need to know where the
Speaker 4: gate is and we all should walk there together to
Speaker 4: see where the gates.
Speaker 3: Would always like to have someone to supervise me in
Speaker 3: an airport, my husband jokes, excepts not funny that they've
Speaker 3: got me on a little like not a no fly list,
Speaker 3: but a little thing that it reads my face when
Speaker 3: I walk in to an airport and they just page
Speaker 3: me automatically to go to the gate. It happens all
Speaker 3: the time, like all the time.
Speaker 2: Brent likes to plod up.
Speaker 1: He likes to he'll walk into the terminal once you've
Speaker 1: gone through security, and he likes to find a seat.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's beer there, He would like that even better.
Speaker 1: But he would like he likes to find a seat
Speaker 1: where you can see the gate. But like you know,
Speaker 1: the departure's board and tells you we would travel very well,
Speaker 1: and he will stay there until he's called, and not
Speaker 1: he's called until the flight's called, and the minute the
Speaker 1: flight's called, he will be straight there.
Speaker 2: So as I like to wander, do.
Speaker 3: You guys get wrung by the plane much? That's another
Speaker 3: thing that happens. My phone will oft and ring all
Speaker 3: the time. I thought, anyway, my phone will oft and ring.
Speaker 3: Like most times when I fly, my phone will ring
Speaker 3: and they'll say, are you still catching this flight? And
Speaker 3: I went, well, obviously, I'm at the airport. We're leaving now.
Speaker 4: You do know, some gates are quite far right, so
Speaker 4: you have to walk like good time.
Speaker 3: Know this. And also sometimes you get to the gate
Speaker 3: and you get to the front and you swipe your
Speaker 3: boarding pass and they say you are meant to be
Speaker 3: going to Melbourne and these plane is going to Brisbane, Mia.
Speaker 1: No, I actually can't continue to All of the airlines
Speaker 1: have It's true, they have a blacklist view and if
Speaker 1: your flight has ever delayed, maybe Mere Friedman's on it.
Speaker 1: Who knows, if you've messed up a lot of holidays.
Speaker 1: The other problem with that is you can never get your.
Speaker 2: Can baggage in the thing. If you're late, you have
Speaker 2: to get in.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm a middle ground person because I want to get
Speaker 1: my hand baggage up, but I don't want to stand
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 2: Queue for ages.
Speaker 4: You know, I was so stressed about traveling with you
Speaker 4: guys for the Out Loud tour that they put me
Speaker 4: on a different flight.
Speaker 3: Late to the gate. Baby all the way.
Speaker 5: Vibes ideas, atmosphere, something casual, something fun.
Speaker 3: This is my best recommendation.
Speaker 4: It is Friday, so we want to help set up
Speaker 4: your weekend with our very best recommendations. Do you mind
Speaker 4: if I go first, because I'm recommending a movie that
Speaker 4: is out right now in cinemas. And I know it's
Speaker 4: a big deal to recommend cinematic movies because they do
Speaker 4: cost a lot of money.
Speaker 2: We have to take out loans these days. But this
Speaker 2: is a really, really good one. To tell it to me.
Speaker 4: Been labeled as the Comedy of the Year from the
Speaker 4: Carnes Film Festival, and it is. It stars and is
Speaker 4: directed by Olivia Wilde. It also stars Seth Rogan, It
Speaker 4: stars Penelope Cruz, and it stars Edward Norton And there's
Speaker 4: no one else in the whole film.
Speaker 3: Oh really?
Speaker 2: It is a play. It is basically like a play.
Speaker 4: It's one location in an apartment, and it's open dialogue.
Speaker 4: It is so, so so funny. When I watched it
Speaker 4: in cinemas, the whole cinema was cackling the entire dialogue.
Speaker 5: Me.
Speaker 4: It means that it's all just like it's dialogue first,
Speaker 4: So it's dialogue heavy because everything else is very simple.
Speaker 4: So it's reliant on the actors bringing their best game forward.
Speaker 2: Did she write it as well, Olivia Wild?
Speaker 4: It is written by Rashida Jones. It is And I
Speaker 4: wonder if she's got her new brother in law to
Speaker 4: help her with this.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, And I've listened to a lot of intusays
Speaker 1: Olivia Wild about this, because everybody's talking about it. Apparently
Speaker 1: it's the musty relationship movie and guidant to hear what
Speaker 1: we said about that.
Speaker 2: But she says she let them in provides heaps.
Speaker 4: It felt very improvised because the acting is so phenomenal.
Speaker 4: So it's about Olivia Wild and Seth Rogen. Their characters
Speaker 4: Angela and Joe are in our long term relationship. They're married,
Speaker 4: they have a kid. They're living in an apartment in
Speaker 4: San Francisco and It starts off with Olivia Wilde's character
Speaker 4: telling set that she's invited the upstairs, their upstairs neighbors
Speaker 4: who are also a couple, Penelope Cruz and Edwin Norton,
Speaker 4: down for dinner, and it becomes this whole You get
Speaker 4: a sense of their relationship in the beginning because they
Speaker 4: just start to bicker, and it comes throughout the whole movie.
Speaker 4: And then you're watching these two couples navigate each other
Speaker 4: and it has done so well. They'll be sometimes focused
Speaker 4: on one person, sometimes focus on a duo.
Speaker 3: It is so interesting because I loved Olivia Wilde's first
Speaker 3: the first movie she directed, Book Smart Amazing, which was
Speaker 3: so great, and then the second one went to shit.
Speaker 3: Don't Worry Darling with Harry Styles and Someone's Battherone and
Speaker 3: Florence Pugh and Book.
Speaker 2: Smart went to shit as well.
Speaker 4: Like she had to get celebrities like Selena Gomez to
Speaker 4: promo the movie because no one was watching it even
Speaker 4: though it.
Speaker 1: Was such a funny, but it ended up being seen
Speaker 1: as a big success. She is like building a really
Speaker 1: credible career as a director in Hollywood. Esther Perel is
Speaker 1: a consultant on this film, and Penelope Cruise allegedly plays
Speaker 1: her is that does that come.
Speaker 4: Across one hundred percent? And she does it in the
Speaker 4: most funniest, like slapstick way.
Speaker 2: So she's the relationship guru.
Speaker 3: By the way, very interesting that this is a cinema release,
Speaker 3: because usually the only reason to release something in the
Speaker 3: movies is that if it's like Wathering Heights or a
Speaker 3: Marvel movie. So to have such a small movie release
Speaker 3: cinematically it's.
Speaker 2: A cinema release.
Speaker 4: I think because it's a must group watch. You have
Speaker 4: to watch it with other people because straight after the movie,
Speaker 4: I came out and I'm like, I need to discuss
Speaker 4: this film because it was so funny. It's just funny
Speaker 4: the whole way through that there's parts where you forget
Speaker 4: that your friend will remember, and it's just such a
Speaker 4: good time. I understand exactly why it's labeled as movie
Speaker 4: of the Year.
Speaker 1: Do you have one more question? Should you watch it
Speaker 1: with a romantic partner? Because I I've heard on the
Speaker 1: podcast some people saying absolutely, it will make you examine
Speaker 1: your relationship, and I'm like, do I want to do that?
Speaker 2: I think I want to do that.
Speaker 4: I think it'll make you examine your relationship if there's
Speaker 4: something in your relationship to examine.
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's English. I don't want to do that.
Speaker 2: Now go with your girlfriend. It's fun. Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: Mine is a bit of a sad one, and it's
Speaker 1: it's a really interesting, hopeful story.
Speaker 2: I hope so, Brent and I. We lost somebody last week.
Speaker 1: A good friend of us from trivia died of a
Speaker 1: heart attack, a bit like just an enormous heart attack,
Speaker 1: absolutely out of the blue.
Speaker 2: You no, it is really sad.
Speaker 1: We play we play trivia with that couple. They're lovely,
Speaker 1: their retirees who lived where we live. They're a bit
Speaker 1: older than us. We really like them. And anyway, it
Speaker 1: is a very sad story. But when I was talking
Speaker 1: to my friend about what happened last week, and she
Speaker 1: was with her husband when he died, she called he
Speaker 1: had a heart attack, and she called Triple O and
Speaker 1: they were Weirdly, they weren't down where we lived. They
Speaker 1: were in Sydney visiting their adult son, and they were
Speaker 1: staying that night in a motel in Sydney. And she's
Speaker 1: just told that the operator on the phone that she
Speaker 1: believes her husband's having a heart attack, and within minutes
Speaker 1: about four different off judy nurses and paramedics arrive at
Speaker 1: the door of the motel. And what I didn't know
Speaker 1: and she didn't know, but is incredibly important to know,
Speaker 1: is that there is an app called the Good sam App,
Speaker 1: as in the Good Samaritan App that first aid responders,
Speaker 1: maybe nurses, but also just people who who have done
Speaker 1: first aid qualifications and who are interested in helping people
Speaker 1: in their neighborhood can sign up for this app, and
Speaker 1: if there is an incidence of cardiac arrest within five
Speaker 1: hundred meters of where you live, you will immediately get
Speaker 1: a notification and if you call Triple O to the
Speaker 1: emergency services, they immediately activate that app. And so what
Speaker 1: had happened is my friend it was early in the morning,
Speaker 1: it was about nine o'clock in the morning, and the
Speaker 1: operator had alerted these press go on the app, and
Speaker 1: it so happened that there's an apartment block across the
Speaker 1: road that some nurses live in. Their app went off
Speaker 1: and so they were there in seconds, absolutely amazing. So
Speaker 1: my friend told me about this, She said, have you
Speaker 1: heard about this app? And I was like no, and
Speaker 1: she said I. Unfortunately for them it was too late
Speaker 1: and it's very sad. But the thing about cardiac arrest
Speaker 1: is you have to act really quickly. And the operator
Speaker 1: was talking my friend what to do, of course, but
Speaker 1: you have to act really quickly. And they say this
Speaker 1: app saves lives all the time. So I called New
Speaker 1: South Wales Ambulance and I said, do you need more
Speaker 1: volunteers because I said maybe I could talk about it
Speaker 1: on the show, and they do need more volunteers, and
Speaker 1: so do other good Sam operations around the country. So
Speaker 1: at the moment, the good Sam app operates in New
Speaker 1: South Wales, Victoria, Tazzy in South Australia. Apparently ACT and
Speaker 1: Queensland are looking to implement it. Anyone who's over eighteen
Speaker 1: can register to be a responder and they train you.
Speaker 3: So it's not an app to download for people who
Speaker 3: might need it.
Speaker 2: That's no, not at all.
Speaker 3: It definitely don't like think it's something. It's not.
Speaker 1: No you you don't need it, you call Triple zero.
Speaker 1: This has nothing, no, not at all. It's for people
Speaker 1: who want to respond. And the woman I spoke to
Speaker 1: on the phone from New South OL's Ambulance said that
Speaker 1: she had signed up to the app because where she
Speaker 1: lives she knew she had some elderly people living around her,
Speaker 1: and she was and they said that often. The way
Speaker 1: they asked people if you'd like to sign up for
Speaker 1: it is would you like to help a neighbor, you know,
Speaker 1: in that circumstance. Now, of course, I'm not suggesting that
Speaker 1: everybody should sign up for an app like this, because
Speaker 1: you have to be prepared for what you might be
Speaker 1: walking into, and that is a serious thing.
Speaker 3: But if you're a first responder, yes, if you've got
Speaker 3: you have medical training exactly.
Speaker 2: She says.
Speaker 1: A lot of the people who respond to this might
Speaker 1: be retired health professionals or like nurses who are on
Speaker 1: matt leave, or you know, people who are basically work
Speaker 1: in that area or have first aid qualifications. And so
Speaker 1: you can sign yourself up to good Sam and you
Speaker 1: become a volunteer and basically the call goes out in
Speaker 1: that situation and in a regional area. It's like about
Speaker 1: a kilometer away in a city area. It's really close.
Speaker 1: And I just thought it was an extraordinary thing out there.
Speaker 1: So we'll put a link in the show notes for
Speaker 1: the good Sam.
Speaker 3: App and condolences and love to your friends exactly. She
Speaker 3: She knows that because of that, everything that was possible, yes,
Speaker 3: could have been done, because there's I know that in
Speaker 3: situations when a loved one has to perform CPR and
Speaker 3: they wonder if maybe they got it wrong, and in
Speaker 3: most cases they didn't, and they always say, you know,
Speaker 3: if there's no one around, you can't make things worse,
Speaker 3: So just always try. But at least she she can
Speaker 3: take some tiny comfort in knowing that exactly.
Speaker 1: And she also said that the operator, you know, the
Speaker 1: triple operator, was just outstanding, like calm and talked her
Speaker 1: through what to do. Like we all know that people
Speaker 1: who work in those kind of professions and first responders
Speaker 1: are a very special breed of people. We know that,
Speaker 1: and it's very stressful. But I just thought the good
Speaker 1: samap sounds like an amazing thing that we put a
Speaker 1: link in the show notes so people can can.
Speaker 3: Register if they're qualified. I am going to end on
Speaker 3: something just absurd and wonderful, and that is Neil the Seal.
Speaker 2: I love that so much, me too.
Speaker 3: Have you spoken about him on the show. I am
Speaker 3: obsessed with Neil the Seal. Here's Tasmania's viral Elephant Seal.
Speaker 3: My whole feed is just on Instagram and TikTok is
Speaker 3: just Neil.
Speaker 2: He loves causing a ruckus.
Speaker 3: He's back. Neil is a one thousand kilogram that's a
Speaker 3: ton elephant seal. He was born in twenty twenty Nijobat
Speaker 3: and now he's huge. He's five. He's a male. He's
Speaker 3: still growing and.
Speaker 2: He's still growing.
Speaker 3: He's still growing. If you see him, he waddles into
Speaker 3: these streets. He lives in the water around. You know,
Speaker 3: he's not a permanent resident of any of these little
Speaker 3: coastal towns. He hauls out for between four to six
Speaker 3: weeks every year, and then he heads back to the
Speaker 3: southern Ocean and repeats the cycle. I don't know, maybe
Speaker 3: somewhere else the behavior is very normal, but it's during
Speaker 3: it's called molting season. Seals come ashore to rest and
Speaker 3: to molt, and they play fight. That's what he's doing.
Speaker 3: Because he does things like he attacks poles. He like
Speaker 3: knocks down ballards, he knocks down fences because he's like practicing.
Speaker 2: He loves an orange cone training.
Speaker 3: He loves an orange It looks.
Speaker 2: Like he's in it. It's like quite a belltoped neighborhood.
Speaker 2: It's like he isn't he. I wonder if thrown out
Speaker 2: loud as he lived there.
Speaker 1: Neil.
Speaker 3: Oh, Please, if you've actually seen Neil the Seal, please
Speaker 3: tell us. I was watching one reel and it was
Speaker 3: this woman Neil came and her car was parked in
Speaker 3: the driveway, and Neil just came and went to sleep
Speaker 3: behind it. She had to call a boss and go,
Speaker 3: I can't come to work today legitimately because Neil is
Speaker 3: asleep by behind my car, and that's a legitimate extremes
Speaker 3: be like understand, yes, So they've been trying because Neil's
Speaker 3: not aggressive to people, but he's quite disruptive and he's
Speaker 3: destroying things. He caused a lot of traffic jams, a
Speaker 3: lot of traffic jams, and a lot of damage to property.
Speaker 3: And he doesn't like fences. He'll he'll knock them down.
Speaker 3: So he watch some of these reels and we'll link
Speaker 3: to them in the show notes. But he he's this
Speaker 3: mix of aggressive and rogue but also very lazy, so
Speaker 3: he'll just be like knocking things down and then he'll
Speaker 3: be like time to map, time for sleep in the
Speaker 3: middle of the road. I'm just going to sleep and
Speaker 3: no one can move him, so At times they've tried
Speaker 3: to get like cherry pickt like cranes in and tried
Speaker 3: to like scoop him up, and they've tried to take
Speaker 3: him back, and at one point they had like a
Speaker 3: they weren't hurting him, but just to like get him
Speaker 3: out of the way. But Neil, we love you. You're iconic.
Speaker 3: Please bear our mascot.
Speaker 1: Absolutely out loud as that is all we have time
Speaker 1: for on today's show.
Speaker 2: Thank you Mia, Thank you am. It's been amazing.
Speaker 1: We are going to be back in your ears. What
Speaker 1: are we going to be back in ears on Monday morning?
Speaker 1: See you then, bye bye, Mamma. Mia acknowledges the traditional
Speaker 1: owners of the land on which we've recorded this podcast.