1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:16,514 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mom with mea podcast? Whoever said 2 00:00:16,553 --> 00:00:19,354 Speaker 1: orange is a new pink with seriously to Syrup laurels 3 00:00:19,674 --> 00:00:22,914 Speaker 1: for spraying groundbreaking? Oh my god, you have. 4 00:00:22,834 --> 00:00:23,354 Speaker 2: To do it. 5 00:00:23,394 --> 00:00:27,594 Speaker 1: You live for fashion. Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, 6 00:00:27,714 --> 00:00:30,794 Speaker 1: the podcast that solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. 7 00:00:30,834 --> 00:00:34,114 Speaker 1: I'm Lee Campbell. You know that old saying if a 8 00:00:34,193 --> 00:00:36,434 Speaker 1: tree falls in the forest, but no one was there 9 00:00:36,434 --> 00:00:39,034 Speaker 1: to hear it, did it even make a sound? Well, 10 00:00:39,074 --> 00:00:42,434 Speaker 1: I've always wondered the fashion equivalent of that For authors. 11 00:00:42,553 --> 00:00:46,034 Speaker 1: They're squirreled away writing the world's next best seller, they hope, 12 00:00:46,153 --> 00:00:48,873 Speaker 1: So what do they wear? Does it matter? Is it 13 00:00:48,994 --> 00:00:51,833 Speaker 1: okay if they're wearing a ten day old tracksuit if 14 00:00:51,873 --> 00:00:54,354 Speaker 1: no one is there to see I wanted to ask 15 00:00:54,474 --> 00:00:57,633 Speaker 1: my friend and one of Australia's biggest and most popular authors, 16 00:00:57,714 --> 00:01:01,554 Speaker 1: Sally Hapworth, that very question. She has the best style, 17 00:01:01,594 --> 00:01:03,514 Speaker 1: but of course I only see her when she's out 18 00:01:03,514 --> 00:01:05,834 Speaker 1: in the house or on Instagram. I wanted to find 19 00:01:05,834 --> 00:01:08,514 Speaker 1: out where she shops and how she nails that effortless 20 00:01:08,554 --> 00:01:11,914 Speaker 1: eclectic style. But more than that, what's happening behind the 21 00:01:11,954 --> 00:01:14,794 Speaker 1: scenes when she's writing a book? Does she even shower? 22 00:01:15,314 --> 00:01:17,354 Speaker 1: So joining me today is Sally to talk about the 23 00:01:17,394 --> 00:01:19,474 Speaker 1: process of writing a book and what she wears when 24 00:01:19,474 --> 00:01:21,874 Speaker 1: she does that, and then how she looks so fancy 25 00:01:21,914 --> 00:01:26,354 Speaker 1: and what she decides to wear when she's on book tour. Sally, Yes, Hi, 26 00:01:26,514 --> 00:01:28,394 Speaker 1: welcome to Nothing to Wear. I'm very excited to have 27 00:01:28,434 --> 00:01:31,194 Speaker 1: you because I know a little bit about your style 28 00:01:31,474 --> 00:01:34,554 Speaker 1: from our WhatsApp group with now called toast. Yes, but 29 00:01:34,594 --> 00:01:36,114 Speaker 1: the listeners are about to learn a lot about you 30 00:01:36,154 --> 00:01:38,714 Speaker 1: before we get into what you wear when no one's watching, 31 00:01:38,954 --> 00:01:40,514 Speaker 1: I want to ask you. You can tell a lot 32 00:01:40,554 --> 00:01:43,994 Speaker 1: about a person by the algorithm. So what three fashion 33 00:01:44,034 --> 00:01:46,474 Speaker 1: trends are you seeing everywhere on the internet right now? 34 00:01:46,794 --> 00:01:48,834 Speaker 1: Or just broadly, what's your algorithm doing? 35 00:01:49,034 --> 00:01:51,354 Speaker 2: I would say, in terms of fashion, the things that 36 00:01:51,354 --> 00:01:52,874 Speaker 2: I've been seeing are fringing. 37 00:01:53,714 --> 00:01:54,394 Speaker 3: Are you seeing that? 38 00:01:54,514 --> 00:01:55,234 Speaker 1: Yeah? 39 00:01:55,274 --> 00:01:56,874 Speaker 3: And in really interesting ways. 40 00:01:56,874 --> 00:01:59,114 Speaker 2: Like I saw this really cute little top I can't 41 00:01:59,114 --> 00:02:01,194 Speaker 2: remember where it was from, and then it was a 42 00:02:01,394 --> 00:02:03,674 Speaker 2: short top, but then the fringing almost went to the knees. 43 00:02:04,634 --> 00:02:09,594 Speaker 1: I saw a belch, That's how I like it. Yeah, 44 00:02:09,714 --> 00:02:10,833 Speaker 1: the belt was really cool. 45 00:02:10,834 --> 00:02:12,594 Speaker 2: It was like a black belt, and about a quarter 46 00:02:12,633 --> 00:02:15,554 Speaker 2: of it had long fringing and the model was wearing 47 00:02:15,554 --> 00:02:17,754 Speaker 2: it over the top of a warm coat. 48 00:02:17,914 --> 00:02:19,194 Speaker 1: You'd have to do right, because you can't put it 49 00:02:19,194 --> 00:02:22,274 Speaker 1: through belt loops on traditional your ants up. Yes, are 50 00:02:22,314 --> 00:02:22,834 Speaker 1: we into that? 51 00:02:22,954 --> 00:02:24,874 Speaker 3: Yeah, look I haven't worn it yet. 52 00:02:24,754 --> 00:02:26,914 Speaker 1: But very sparkly. I will talk about that later. I 53 00:02:26,954 --> 00:02:29,154 Speaker 1: just wow, some spark just put that in. I thought 54 00:02:29,194 --> 00:02:29,834 Speaker 1: maybe she did. 55 00:02:29,994 --> 00:02:35,194 Speaker 2: I think everyone's walking around her yet and your fringing. 56 00:02:35,274 --> 00:02:37,834 Speaker 2: I even saw a really cute little pair of lace 57 00:02:37,954 --> 00:02:39,674 Speaker 2: up kind of almost. 58 00:02:39,394 --> 00:02:41,194 Speaker 1: Like the old school desert boot. 59 00:02:41,274 --> 00:02:44,234 Speaker 2: And it had fringing like around the back of it, 60 00:02:44,274 --> 00:02:46,994 Speaker 2: and I just I love a little touch of fringing. 61 00:02:47,114 --> 00:02:49,514 Speaker 1: Are you going to do it that? Yes? Yeah, like 62 00:02:49,634 --> 00:02:52,594 Speaker 1: jeans and the fringings across the bum. Oh yeah, it 63 00:02:52,674 --> 00:02:55,114 Speaker 1: was like your bum had a fringe, like a hair fringe. 64 00:02:55,234 --> 00:02:56,474 Speaker 1: Body washed stuff like that. 65 00:02:56,594 --> 00:02:58,314 Speaker 3: I mean I don't wash my clothes that often. 66 00:02:58,514 --> 00:03:00,394 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just put them in and go go with 67 00:03:00,434 --> 00:03:01,394 Speaker 1: God and hope for the best. 68 00:03:01,474 --> 00:03:03,634 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. If we get one way out of it, 69 00:03:03,674 --> 00:03:08,874 Speaker 2: that's all right. I have been seeing lace, Yeah, a 70 00:03:08,954 --> 00:03:11,434 Speaker 2: lot of lace, which is you know, it was around 71 00:03:11,514 --> 00:03:14,434 Speaker 2: last season, the kind of sheer skirts which I have 72 00:03:14,514 --> 00:03:17,994 Speaker 2: a couple of I've also seen it in I bought 73 00:03:17,994 --> 00:03:21,353 Speaker 2: this gorgeous skirt from Flannel that is just a it's 74 00:03:21,394 --> 00:03:23,114 Speaker 2: not a sheer skirt, but it's got lace at the 75 00:03:23,114 --> 00:03:24,594 Speaker 2: bottom and a little bit of lace on. 76 00:03:24,554 --> 00:03:27,434 Speaker 1: The pockets, and it's just really pretty little detail. I 77 00:03:27,474 --> 00:03:29,314 Speaker 1: mean to that, I like lacy because it's not ever 78 00:03:29,394 --> 00:03:32,834 Speaker 1: really out. It's not like, oh my god, that's so uncool. 79 00:03:32,954 --> 00:03:35,474 Speaker 1: Now it's cool again. No, And I feel like you 80 00:03:35,554 --> 00:03:37,594 Speaker 1: can do it. It doesn't have to be that kind 81 00:03:37,634 --> 00:03:41,074 Speaker 1: of I'm wearing my grandma's doily, which is also also around. Yeah, 82 00:03:41,114 --> 00:03:42,554 Speaker 1: and a doily school. 83 00:03:42,714 --> 00:03:45,474 Speaker 2: I think you've got to be a very particular kind 84 00:03:45,554 --> 00:03:47,594 Speaker 2: of cool to get away with that lackacia and a meal. 85 00:03:47,634 --> 00:03:50,154 Speaker 1: I kind of agree situation. I don't think I'm going 86 00:03:50,194 --> 00:03:50,554 Speaker 1: to do that. 87 00:03:50,634 --> 00:03:54,154 Speaker 2: But I also like actually wearing something really lacey with 88 00:03:54,314 --> 00:03:56,474 Speaker 2: a cool kind of graphic tea or something. 89 00:03:56,634 --> 00:03:59,034 Speaker 1: At the door, like the juxtaposition, so you're like, I'm cool. 90 00:03:59,074 --> 00:04:00,954 Speaker 1: I didn't even think about this. These don't go but 91 00:04:00,994 --> 00:04:03,754 Speaker 1: I'm so confident it just it balances a little bit, 92 00:04:03,754 --> 00:04:05,794 Speaker 1: makes it a bit more effortless. Yes, I agree, And 93 00:04:05,874 --> 00:04:07,074 Speaker 1: actually vintage. 94 00:04:06,834 --> 00:04:09,954 Speaker 2: Stuff is probably the third and recycled. I'm so into 95 00:04:10,514 --> 00:04:11,994 Speaker 2: deep Hop at the mind me too. 96 00:04:12,034 --> 00:04:14,274 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is a deep hop. So you're watching 97 00:04:14,314 --> 00:04:17,034 Speaker 1: on YouTube and one of the very cool people that 98 00:04:17,074 --> 00:04:18,594 Speaker 1: work here, young and cool, said I'm not gonna love 99 00:04:18,634 --> 00:04:20,914 Speaker 1: your jacket, and it's why I self, but it's men's. 100 00:04:20,954 --> 00:04:23,553 Speaker 1: It was thirty eight dollars on deep Hop. I wasn't 101 00:04:23,553 --> 00:04:25,393 Speaker 1: going to reveal my secret, but men's. I mean, I 102 00:04:25,393 --> 00:04:28,193 Speaker 1: can't believe men even bother to list things. But men 103 00:04:28,274 --> 00:04:31,354 Speaker 1: don't know what anything. He's probably just like this is 104 00:04:31,393 --> 00:04:34,553 Speaker 1: an old jacket. Secondly, the amount of pockets in this thing. 105 00:04:35,154 --> 00:04:37,034 Speaker 1: Men have so many pockets and nothing to carry. And 106 00:04:37,073 --> 00:04:39,153 Speaker 1: that is what's wrong with the world is the patriarchy. 107 00:04:39,354 --> 00:04:40,633 Speaker 3: Here's what's wrong with you don't. 108 00:04:40,433 --> 00:04:43,553 Speaker 1: Know jackets have internal pockets, external pockets, a breast pocket, 109 00:04:43,714 --> 00:04:45,113 Speaker 1: a pocket inside my pocket. 110 00:04:45,354 --> 00:04:46,113 Speaker 3: You should be proud. 111 00:04:46,154 --> 00:04:48,993 Speaker 2: You have been singing the praises of men's wear for 112 00:04:49,154 --> 00:04:50,513 Speaker 2: quite a long second. 113 00:04:50,753 --> 00:04:54,354 Speaker 1: For both price but also now pocket, yes, pockets and yeah, 114 00:04:54,633 --> 00:04:58,193 Speaker 1: just like oversized and cool and I'm obsessed, so are 115 00:04:58,234 --> 00:05:00,714 Speaker 1: you deep hopping? Deep popping both ways? 116 00:05:00,794 --> 00:05:05,073 Speaker 2: So it's really changed the way that I shop because 117 00:05:05,193 --> 00:05:07,594 Speaker 2: I also went on a bit of a deca fluttering 118 00:05:08,193 --> 00:05:09,914 Speaker 2: journey and why our. 119 00:05:09,914 --> 00:05:13,193 Speaker 1: Chat's gone quiet? Me too, And they can't be like, hey, 120 00:05:13,234 --> 00:05:14,713 Speaker 1: we should all buy this because it's on Deepop. You 121 00:05:14,714 --> 00:05:16,553 Speaker 1: don't want to tell anything exactly, you're already put in 122 00:05:16,594 --> 00:05:18,833 Speaker 1: your bitch you want to get to snap it up. Yeah. 123 00:05:19,073 --> 00:05:22,273 Speaker 2: I have been buying things like a lot of really 124 00:05:22,274 --> 00:05:25,753 Speaker 2: beautiful like Zimmerman or you know, kind of higher end 125 00:05:25,794 --> 00:05:27,634 Speaker 2: stuff for a bargain some of the. 126 00:05:27,553 --> 00:05:29,593 Speaker 1: Prices, Like I will search a brand I love, for example, 127 00:05:29,633 --> 00:05:31,113 Speaker 1: I do Camella and Marc a lot, and it'll be 128 00:05:31,193 --> 00:05:33,914 Speaker 1: the same blazer yeap, obviously a different person, different condition, 129 00:05:34,193 --> 00:05:36,714 Speaker 1: but someone selling it for four hundred and someone selling 130 00:05:36,714 --> 00:05:39,154 Speaker 1: it for one hundred and twenty. Yes, it blows my mind, 131 00:05:39,234 --> 00:05:41,433 Speaker 1: no discernible difference, Yes, exactly. 132 00:05:41,674 --> 00:05:44,113 Speaker 2: And often it's even something that's still in the stores, 133 00:05:44,113 --> 00:05:45,474 Speaker 2: Like I'll off and if I'm going to buy something 134 00:05:45,513 --> 00:05:47,914 Speaker 2: in the stores, I'll look on deep Hop me too, Yes, 135 00:05:48,154 --> 00:05:51,794 Speaker 2: But almost the thing I love about it more is repopping. 136 00:05:51,953 --> 00:05:54,313 Speaker 1: You know, I haven't repopped yet. I haven't popped my 137 00:05:54,393 --> 00:05:56,193 Speaker 1: repopp cherry or listed anything yet. 138 00:05:56,354 --> 00:05:58,633 Speaker 2: Well, it's the beautiful thing about it is that you 139 00:05:58,674 --> 00:06:01,113 Speaker 2: can just if you've bought it on on there. Yes, 140 00:06:01,154 --> 00:06:03,313 Speaker 2: you can just press RePOP and the photos and the 141 00:06:03,354 --> 00:06:04,873 Speaker 2: description and everything just comes up. 142 00:06:04,914 --> 00:06:07,474 Speaker 1: Oh so it arrives. It's not right? Oh wow, I 143 00:06:07,474 --> 00:06:10,154 Speaker 1: always wonder what that button meant. Yes, first time I 144 00:06:10,193 --> 00:06:13,074 Speaker 1: talk to you about how you get dressed when nobody's watching? 145 00:06:13,113 --> 00:06:14,834 Speaker 1: I mean, I hope, I mean, unless you want them. 146 00:06:14,834 --> 00:06:16,394 Speaker 1: People to watch you actually. 147 00:06:16,034 --> 00:06:18,594 Speaker 3: Get me sometimes my boyfriend watches me. But in general 148 00:06:18,714 --> 00:06:19,713 Speaker 3: I know it. 149 00:06:19,753 --> 00:06:22,513 Speaker 1: But you write novels, and I can't imagine you do 150 00:06:22,594 --> 00:06:24,473 Speaker 1: that with a huge audience day to day. So what 151 00:06:24,594 --> 00:06:27,633 Speaker 1: does writing a novel look like day to day? Where 152 00:06:27,633 --> 00:06:29,714 Speaker 1: are you sitting? How long do you write a day? 153 00:06:29,753 --> 00:06:32,034 Speaker 1: How long does it take to write a novel? And 154 00:06:32,113 --> 00:06:33,873 Speaker 1: what are you wearing while all this is happening? 155 00:06:34,154 --> 00:06:36,513 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that people have got a 156 00:06:36,594 --> 00:06:40,313 Speaker 2: real image in their head of writers just sitting in 157 00:06:40,354 --> 00:06:42,713 Speaker 2: a room in an office or something like that. 158 00:06:42,834 --> 00:06:44,753 Speaker 1: Often, No, in my head, you have a beautiful mahogany 159 00:06:44,794 --> 00:06:47,433 Speaker 1: desk because for some reason there's a window. It's kind 160 00:06:47,433 --> 00:06:49,274 Speaker 1: of like that love actually seen where all the pages 161 00:06:49,274 --> 00:06:52,354 Speaker 1: are lit, like, yes, you can have a lake, and 162 00:06:52,393 --> 00:06:54,593 Speaker 1: in my head you're in like this it's old, but 163 00:06:54,633 --> 00:06:57,553 Speaker 1: it's still beautiful. Cashmi track soon that's what I pictured. 164 00:06:58,234 --> 00:06:59,274 Speaker 1: It's like a bit green. 165 00:06:59,753 --> 00:07:00,553 Speaker 3: Unfortunately. 166 00:07:00,794 --> 00:07:02,354 Speaker 2: Well, look, I have got a cash be a jumper 167 00:07:02,474 --> 00:07:04,834 Speaker 2: that's more of a camel that I will often wear. 168 00:07:04,714 --> 00:07:05,793 Speaker 1: In winter, comfy. 169 00:07:05,914 --> 00:07:08,354 Speaker 3: But it's so rare that I. 170 00:07:08,313 --> 00:07:10,354 Speaker 2: Have a whole day to write like it's usually stopping 171 00:07:10,393 --> 00:07:13,713 Speaker 2: and starting with meetings, which influences what I wear, because 172 00:07:14,074 --> 00:07:16,794 Speaker 2: in a true day of just writing, I would absolutely 173 00:07:16,834 --> 00:07:18,634 Speaker 2: be in a T shirt and tracking. 174 00:07:18,474 --> 00:07:21,234 Speaker 1: Okay, so barely changed from pj's correct yep. 175 00:07:21,354 --> 00:07:24,434 Speaker 2: Yeah, And or maybe in the summer it might be 176 00:07:24,754 --> 00:07:27,514 Speaker 2: a little playsuit or a jump like something stretchy and comfy. 177 00:07:27,634 --> 00:07:30,954 Speaker 1: Yeah, but your house close, I call my houseuse close. 178 00:07:30,994 --> 00:07:33,273 Speaker 1: This is my house dressed, believe it or not. But 179 00:07:33,314 --> 00:07:34,434 Speaker 1: I just put a jacket over it. 180 00:07:34,594 --> 00:07:38,634 Speaker 2: More often I am sort of dressed from the top 181 00:07:38,834 --> 00:07:41,833 Speaker 2: half out of the zoom. But the thing is, most 182 00:07:41,874 --> 00:07:44,834 Speaker 2: of my work, if I'm writing, I'm on the couch. 183 00:07:44,994 --> 00:07:47,394 Speaker 1: Okay, that's how I like to I like to recline. 184 00:07:47,434 --> 00:07:47,954 Speaker 1: I sit up. 185 00:07:47,994 --> 00:07:49,354 Speaker 3: I've got my feet elevated and. 186 00:07:49,434 --> 00:07:53,153 Speaker 1: Ergonomic backfellow no, and my back weirdly, I think my 187 00:07:53,274 --> 00:07:56,234 Speaker 1: back prefers to be reclined a lot, because when I'm 188 00:07:56,274 --> 00:07:57,914 Speaker 1: working from home, I work from bed. I'm not a 189 00:07:57,914 --> 00:08:00,754 Speaker 1: surprised by not full solid writing days. Do you prefer 190 00:08:00,794 --> 00:08:01,994 Speaker 1: it that way to break it up? Is it a 191 00:08:01,994 --> 00:08:04,114 Speaker 1: concentration or it's just life? Wish? 192 00:08:04,274 --> 00:08:07,394 Speaker 2: I wish, like my dream would be to have five 193 00:08:07,474 --> 00:08:10,593 Speaker 2: days in a row of just writing. But no, I 194 00:08:10,634 --> 00:08:13,114 Speaker 2: mean and when I say meetings, they're work meetings, they're 195 00:08:13,234 --> 00:08:16,314 Speaker 2: you know, kids, parent teacher interviews, they're meeting with the 196 00:08:16,354 --> 00:08:18,274 Speaker 2: bank because I'm trump bought a house and trying to 197 00:08:18,314 --> 00:08:20,434 Speaker 2: get a home, you know, like they're just those life Yes. 198 00:08:20,594 --> 00:08:23,114 Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's say it's one of those days where 199 00:08:23,114 --> 00:08:24,434 Speaker 1: you know you're not gonna have to see anyone it 200 00:08:24,514 --> 00:08:25,874 Speaker 1: or even really speak to me on the phone. You 201 00:08:25,914 --> 00:08:28,354 Speaker 1: can just be with your characters writing. Do you put 202 00:08:28,393 --> 00:08:30,794 Speaker 1: in any effort at all? Or do you feel, you know, 203 00:08:30,874 --> 00:08:33,514 Speaker 1: kind of just free to get up and be a slob, 204 00:08:33,634 --> 00:08:35,274 Speaker 1: not a slob, but you know, just you don't care. 205 00:08:35,394 --> 00:08:37,953 Speaker 1: Or do you feel better when you get ready? Yeah? 206 00:08:38,034 --> 00:08:42,634 Speaker 2: Look, I mostly will get ready because I well, fifty 207 00:08:42,634 --> 00:08:44,234 Speaker 2: percent of the time I have my kids and so 208 00:08:44,314 --> 00:08:45,994 Speaker 2: then I'm getting up, I'm dropping them off. 209 00:08:46,194 --> 00:08:47,274 Speaker 3: Not that that's you. 210 00:08:47,194 --> 00:08:49,314 Speaker 1: Know, a whole look. But you are leaving the house. 211 00:08:49,354 --> 00:08:50,994 Speaker 2: I'm leaving the house, so I have my shower and 212 00:08:51,194 --> 00:08:54,114 Speaker 2: do do that kind of stuff. Then there's a really 213 00:08:55,034 --> 00:08:58,674 Speaker 2: narrow part at the end, just before a book's due, 214 00:08:58,754 --> 00:09:00,554 Speaker 2: and I call going into the vortex. 215 00:09:00,594 --> 00:09:02,994 Speaker 1: Oh I remember, yes, yes, they're DIA. Must leave this 216 00:09:03,034 --> 00:09:05,274 Speaker 1: group right now, I'm going into the vortex. But wait, 217 00:09:05,314 --> 00:09:06,354 Speaker 1: have you seen these chirps? 218 00:09:07,434 --> 00:09:11,794 Speaker 2: The way the vortex often does weirdly involve a lot 219 00:09:11,834 --> 00:09:14,874 Speaker 2: of online shopping, but in general is a period where 220 00:09:14,914 --> 00:09:19,154 Speaker 2: you stop showering. You only wear not you know, trendy, 221 00:09:19,194 --> 00:09:21,674 Speaker 2: your cozy kind of trackies and vintage cheese, which is 222 00:09:21,714 --> 00:09:23,714 Speaker 2: what I would wear mostly during writing. 223 00:09:23,994 --> 00:09:26,514 Speaker 3: It's your disgusting, quantous pajamas. 224 00:09:25,914 --> 00:09:28,714 Speaker 1: Like whatever is closest to physically put on. Yeah, and 225 00:09:28,794 --> 00:09:31,834 Speaker 1: like my wigs are off because I wear wigs. 226 00:09:31,834 --> 00:09:32,634 Speaker 3: I have alopecia. 227 00:09:33,154 --> 00:09:35,994 Speaker 1: To ask you about your parent and power relates to outfits. 228 00:09:35,634 --> 00:09:37,314 Speaker 3: Later, we can come back to that. But then you're 229 00:09:37,314 --> 00:09:38,154 Speaker 3: really disgusting. 230 00:09:38,194 --> 00:09:40,994 Speaker 2: You're not showering, you're not leaving the house, you're not 231 00:09:41,114 --> 00:09:42,954 Speaker 2: eating any vegetables, all. 232 00:09:42,834 --> 00:09:43,474 Speaker 3: Of those things. 233 00:09:43,714 --> 00:09:47,114 Speaker 1: That's proper deadline stuff. Yeah, that's like maybe two weeks, okay, 234 00:09:47,394 --> 00:09:49,354 Speaker 1: the rest of you do you just feel like if 235 00:09:49,354 --> 00:09:51,514 Speaker 1: I don't get this done, you know, does that affect 236 00:09:51,514 --> 00:09:54,554 Speaker 1: your psyche in any way? For me, I don't really like. 237 00:09:54,674 --> 00:09:57,074 Speaker 1: I don't really love getting ready. I have so many clothes. 238 00:09:57,114 --> 00:09:58,714 Speaker 1: I rarely wear them because I'm at home a lot. 239 00:09:59,154 --> 00:10:01,234 Speaker 1: But the days I do have to either you know, 240 00:10:01,394 --> 00:10:03,234 Speaker 1: go to the post office after drop off or something, 241 00:10:03,234 --> 00:10:05,274 Speaker 1: and I put in the most miniscal effort, I do 242 00:10:05,314 --> 00:10:08,314 Speaker 1: feel better all day. Yeah, I can't be I can't 243 00:10:08,354 --> 00:10:10,034 Speaker 1: tell myself that earlier if I don't have to. 244 00:10:10,594 --> 00:10:12,754 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a hard and fast rule 245 00:10:12,794 --> 00:10:15,354 Speaker 2: for me. Sometimes absolutely, if I put on something, I 246 00:10:15,394 --> 00:10:19,834 Speaker 2: realize I'm just productive all day. Other times I will 247 00:10:19,994 --> 00:10:22,434 Speaker 2: sometimes put on you know, exercise where and go for 248 00:10:22,474 --> 00:10:25,074 Speaker 2: a walk, and then I come back and I don't 249 00:10:25,074 --> 00:10:26,634 Speaker 2: get changed because I think, no, I'm going to go 250 00:10:26,674 --> 00:10:29,434 Speaker 2: straight into it and I just nailed that day. There's 251 00:10:29,474 --> 00:10:32,114 Speaker 2: no real rhyme or reason to it other than we 252 00:10:32,194 --> 00:10:33,874 Speaker 2: all know we feel a bit better if we think 253 00:10:33,874 --> 00:10:34,474 Speaker 2: we look good. 254 00:10:34,554 --> 00:10:36,514 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I think that's good though, because I 255 00:10:36,554 --> 00:10:39,194 Speaker 1: think then you're not putting your pressure on yourself either way. No, 256 00:10:39,354 --> 00:10:41,154 Speaker 1: and I think that I've kind of fallen into a 257 00:10:41,194 --> 00:10:43,314 Speaker 1: bit of a trap of my home uniform, my home 258 00:10:43,354 --> 00:10:46,714 Speaker 1: dress or whatever. Hair will go as long as possible 259 00:10:46,754 --> 00:10:48,474 Speaker 1: before I have to wash it when I'm leaving the house, 260 00:10:48,594 --> 00:10:51,594 Speaker 1: and then I do kind of think, what's the point 261 00:10:51,594 --> 00:10:53,354 Speaker 1: of everything? I mean, that sounds quite depressing, but you 262 00:10:53,514 --> 00:10:57,474 Speaker 1: just get so comfortable in your own uncomfortable, you know, uncomfort. 263 00:10:57,914 --> 00:10:59,794 Speaker 3: What's the point of everything? That's exactly what you do. 264 00:10:59,914 --> 00:11:01,713 Speaker 1: If you do that for too long, why am I 265 00:11:01,874 --> 00:11:05,714 Speaker 1: here look at that washing? But then the washing doesn't 266 00:11:05,714 --> 00:11:06,834 Speaker 1: fall up? If you're not getting shame? 267 00:11:06,994 --> 00:11:09,514 Speaker 2: And yet I will say that there is a lot 268 00:11:09,634 --> 00:11:13,554 Speaker 2: you can do. You mentioned hair, good hair, and a 269 00:11:13,634 --> 00:11:16,474 Speaker 2: cool pair of shoes, and a trench coat can cover 270 00:11:16,594 --> 00:11:17,274 Speaker 2: a multitude. 271 00:11:17,314 --> 00:11:20,554 Speaker 1: It's turnet you're wearing even. 272 00:11:20,474 --> 00:11:23,474 Speaker 2: Your counteous pajamas are underneath. But you've got a ballet flat, 273 00:11:23,634 --> 00:11:26,354 Speaker 2: you know. And I've put an beautiful thing about wearing 274 00:11:26,434 --> 00:11:28,594 Speaker 2: wigs that I can just put on my hair and 275 00:11:28,674 --> 00:11:29,194 Speaker 2: it's done. 276 00:11:29,674 --> 00:11:32,034 Speaker 1: Can I want to talk about that now, because can 277 00:11:32,114 --> 00:11:34,474 Speaker 1: you feel us in a why you wear wigs? And 278 00:11:34,834 --> 00:11:38,194 Speaker 1: how I guess that affects your appearance, because yesterday we 279 00:11:38,274 --> 00:11:41,554 Speaker 1: were chatting on WhatsApp about recording today and you said, oh, 280 00:11:41,554 --> 00:11:44,034 Speaker 1: well my other hair, some hair is off getting done. 281 00:11:44,314 --> 00:11:46,354 Speaker 1: I just thought, oh my god, my dream has well. 282 00:11:46,354 --> 00:11:48,034 Speaker 1: I've always said to my husband I would love to 283 00:11:48,074 --> 00:11:50,274 Speaker 1: drop my hands at the manicurist, I mean my body 284 00:11:50,314 --> 00:11:51,833 Speaker 1: at the gym my hair and just come back and 285 00:11:51,914 --> 00:11:54,114 Speaker 1: get them. We still want to work on that way. Yeah, 286 00:11:54,234 --> 00:11:56,354 Speaker 1: you can't do that yet, but you do wear wigs, 287 00:11:56,354 --> 00:11:57,074 Speaker 1: so tell us about that. 288 00:11:57,314 --> 00:12:00,994 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have androgenetic glopecia, when she's a hormone based 289 00:12:01,634 --> 00:12:05,794 Speaker 2: type of hair loss that can affect women actually at 290 00:12:05,794 --> 00:12:08,634 Speaker 2: any point, because sometimes the hormones can do that even 291 00:12:08,754 --> 00:12:14,794 Speaker 2: during puberty, and for me it was the perimenopause. 292 00:12:15,514 --> 00:12:17,474 Speaker 3: It was around forty that I started. 293 00:12:17,634 --> 00:12:18,593 Speaker 1: That's so fascinating. 294 00:12:18,794 --> 00:12:21,314 Speaker 2: And for me, I also have autoimmune, which is hand 295 00:12:21,394 --> 00:12:23,234 Speaker 2: in hand and it's hard to kind of unpick. 296 00:12:23,954 --> 00:12:26,514 Speaker 3: So I started wearing wigs. 297 00:12:26,554 --> 00:12:29,354 Speaker 2: And yes, funnily enough, I actually I dropped off my 298 00:12:29,434 --> 00:12:32,994 Speaker 2: hair yesterday, which is why it just sounds so funny, 299 00:12:33,554 --> 00:12:35,754 Speaker 2: I know, and now I'm so comfortable with it that 300 00:12:35,914 --> 00:12:38,634 Speaker 2: when I went to drop off my hair, I was 301 00:12:38,714 --> 00:12:41,074 Speaker 2: just walking down the street with my hair in my hand. 302 00:12:41,474 --> 00:12:43,634 Speaker 1: You did you have your other hair off. 303 00:12:44,154 --> 00:12:44,994 Speaker 3: Yeah, I had this one on. 304 00:12:45,234 --> 00:12:47,794 Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow. I mean I wouldn't wish this on people. 305 00:12:47,874 --> 00:12:50,713 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's hard parts, but how exciting that you 306 00:12:50,794 --> 00:12:53,034 Speaker 1: haven't a different accessory that first thing you don't have 307 00:12:53,074 --> 00:12:55,354 Speaker 1: to do and can just be part of how you're 308 00:12:55,354 --> 00:12:56,034 Speaker 1: feeling that day. 309 00:12:56,194 --> 00:12:59,274 Speaker 2: It's really good for me, and it came from the 310 00:12:59,394 --> 00:13:02,794 Speaker 2: result of having alopecia. However, one of the things, even 311 00:13:02,834 --> 00:13:04,874 Speaker 2: in the five years that I've been wearing wigs and 312 00:13:05,034 --> 00:13:07,554 Speaker 2: I go I've got very good friends who wear wigs 313 00:13:07,594 --> 00:13:10,754 Speaker 2: and a wig makers, is that the world has evolved 314 00:13:10,794 --> 00:13:13,674 Speaker 2: to a point that people are wearing them for fashion now, 315 00:13:13,994 --> 00:13:16,074 Speaker 2: wealthy people, because they are exciting good. 316 00:13:16,114 --> 00:13:19,274 Speaker 1: We is very expensive. I've seen you up close many times. 317 00:13:19,354 --> 00:13:21,834 Speaker 1: I could never in a million years. Guess that's a week? Yeah, 318 00:13:21,954 --> 00:13:25,874 Speaker 1: guess ever? Good. So you've got a few wigs. I do, 319 00:13:26,194 --> 00:13:27,514 Speaker 1: But do you have a favorite? Is that the one 320 00:13:27,554 --> 00:13:28,754 Speaker 1: that was getting groomed? 321 00:13:28,834 --> 00:13:31,874 Speaker 3: That probably is, and I've been wearing that one a lot. 322 00:13:31,994 --> 00:13:33,834 Speaker 2: So this one is for those of you who can't 323 00:13:33,874 --> 00:13:37,354 Speaker 2: see as a short blonde, and it takes a bit 324 00:13:37,394 --> 00:13:38,514 Speaker 2: of getting used to, even. 325 00:13:38,314 --> 00:13:39,354 Speaker 1: For my eye right. 326 00:13:39,674 --> 00:13:41,954 Speaker 2: But what I realized because I'd packed yesterday to come 327 00:13:42,034 --> 00:13:43,874 Speaker 2: up from Melbourne to come and do this, and I 328 00:13:43,994 --> 00:13:47,714 Speaker 2: had sort of planned what my outfits were, and then 329 00:13:47,794 --> 00:13:49,914 Speaker 2: I put the hair on and I thought, this doesn't go. 330 00:13:50,074 --> 00:13:53,074 Speaker 1: And I have her that wig woman doesn't wear that. 331 00:13:53,354 --> 00:13:55,954 Speaker 2: It doesn't And even I'm wearing red lipstick today which 332 00:13:55,954 --> 00:13:58,714 Speaker 2: I wouldn't wear with my other colored. 333 00:13:58,674 --> 00:14:01,794 Speaker 4: Sounds fun, you know, complex with fun, it's fun and 334 00:14:01,914 --> 00:14:05,314 Speaker 4: it is whether we most people don't think of it 335 00:14:05,354 --> 00:14:07,314 Speaker 4: because you just have the hair on your head, but 336 00:14:07,394 --> 00:14:09,354 Speaker 4: it is part of your outfits massively. 337 00:14:09,434 --> 00:14:11,234 Speaker 1: Oh huge, you know. We were also chatting. I had 338 00:14:11,274 --> 00:14:13,154 Speaker 1: my hair crops like right under my ears, and I 339 00:14:13,154 --> 00:14:15,194 Speaker 1: haven't had a cut for so long. It's getting longer, 340 00:14:15,234 --> 00:14:18,314 Speaker 1: and I do feel like a different version of myself. Yes, 341 00:14:18,394 --> 00:14:20,714 Speaker 1: when I have that really short hair and when I 342 00:14:20,794 --> 00:14:22,594 Speaker 1: have my long hair, yep, but it's you know, do 343 00:14:22,714 --> 00:14:24,794 Speaker 1: I go and chop it all off again? Yeah? But 344 00:14:24,914 --> 00:14:27,594 Speaker 1: it does make it. It influenced what I chose to 345 00:14:27,714 --> 00:14:29,314 Speaker 1: wear during that period. It's huge. 346 00:14:29,474 --> 00:14:32,354 Speaker 2: And you're wearing glasses right now, which is another one 347 00:14:32,514 --> 00:14:35,074 Speaker 2: that quite often if I am trying to think of 348 00:14:35,114 --> 00:14:37,834 Speaker 2: the Sydney equivalent. So I do book events, yes, if 349 00:14:37,954 --> 00:14:40,874 Speaker 2: I am on my side of town, which is in 350 00:14:41,594 --> 00:14:45,234 Speaker 2: Bayside in Melbourne, I would be happily in my blonde 351 00:14:45,234 --> 00:14:47,394 Speaker 2: wig and no glasses and whatever. If I go to 352 00:14:47,474 --> 00:14:50,474 Speaker 2: the cool part of town, northern part, I don't know 353 00:14:50,554 --> 00:14:52,794 Speaker 2: what that would different different. I've got my dark hair 354 00:14:52,834 --> 00:14:56,434 Speaker 2: and my specs on, like I'm like, I'm serious, Yeah, and. 355 00:14:56,434 --> 00:14:58,874 Speaker 1: Then you can actually be sort of a different person. Yeah, 356 00:14:59,354 --> 00:15:01,274 Speaker 1: well that sounds positive. It's all part of the how 357 00:15:01,354 --> 00:15:03,274 Speaker 1: did people you know? You were saying before that you've 358 00:15:03,274 --> 00:15:05,074 Speaker 1: got friends and you know people that wear wigs when 359 00:15:05,114 --> 00:15:07,714 Speaker 1: they have a full head of hair. That would be hard. 360 00:15:07,794 --> 00:15:09,714 Speaker 1: I mean, I know you do that kind of condomy thingy. 361 00:15:09,914 --> 00:15:15,354 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, look, I think that unless people have 362 00:15:15,514 --> 00:15:18,514 Speaker 2: got super thick My daughter the irony. Actually, both my 363 00:15:18,634 --> 00:15:20,754 Speaker 2: daughters have got so much hair. It just it's like 364 00:15:20,914 --> 00:15:23,434 Speaker 2: horse hair. I don't think they're really going to wear it. 365 00:15:23,474 --> 00:15:25,474 Speaker 2: If they've got beautiful, lustrious hair, why. 366 00:15:25,354 --> 00:15:29,994 Speaker 3: We're not there. But you know, Nicole Kidman famously wears hair. 367 00:15:30,314 --> 00:15:33,114 Speaker 1: I actually I didn't know that. Oh have been under 368 00:15:33,154 --> 00:15:33,514 Speaker 1: a rock. 369 00:15:33,674 --> 00:15:34,274 Speaker 3: I mean you can. 370 00:15:34,594 --> 00:15:36,634 Speaker 1: I mean I've bought can you? And I don't mean 371 00:15:36,674 --> 00:15:40,034 Speaker 1: that in an absolutely The wig where you're more attuned 372 00:15:40,074 --> 00:15:42,194 Speaker 1: to wig, where other wig whearer is I am. 373 00:15:42,354 --> 00:15:45,074 Speaker 2: But also she makes no secret about it, like you saw. 374 00:15:45,154 --> 00:15:46,914 Speaker 2: I think it was the met gala where she had 375 00:15:47,034 --> 00:15:49,794 Speaker 2: very short hair and then the next day it was long. 376 00:15:50,354 --> 00:15:53,954 Speaker 2: So which one is hers it's long she's got she's 377 00:15:53,994 --> 00:15:55,954 Speaker 2: got longer hair, but like it was a really almost 378 00:15:56,034 --> 00:15:58,794 Speaker 2: like a pixie she has. God, I'm not observant at all, 379 00:15:58,834 --> 00:16:00,594 Speaker 2: but I would like to try a wig again, though 380 00:16:00,714 --> 00:16:03,834 Speaker 2: I'm just so lazy that I would buy a beautiful 381 00:16:03,874 --> 00:16:04,954 Speaker 2: wig and she would sit there. 382 00:16:06,114 --> 00:16:07,394 Speaker 3: I mean, it's not hard to stay get on. 383 00:16:07,474 --> 00:16:09,514 Speaker 1: Okay, maybe you can give me a lesson. Okay, so 384 00:16:10,954 --> 00:16:13,114 Speaker 1: it's easier. It's easier than washing your hair. 385 00:16:13,354 --> 00:16:15,674 Speaker 2: The best moment I ever had was when I flew 386 00:16:15,834 --> 00:16:18,994 Speaker 2: to Melbourne to LA and I got off the plane 387 00:16:19,394 --> 00:16:21,714 Speaker 2: and I'd had it off the whole way and was 388 00:16:21,834 --> 00:16:22,834 Speaker 2: just you know, watching. 389 00:16:22,674 --> 00:16:24,394 Speaker 1: You don't have any or did you go through an 390 00:16:24,394 --> 00:16:26,994 Speaker 1: adjustment period where you felt, you know, a bunch of 391 00:16:27,034 --> 00:16:29,794 Speaker 1: feelings about going through that. I guess later in life 392 00:16:29,834 --> 00:16:31,634 Speaker 1: and not having a weig on in public. 393 00:16:32,354 --> 00:16:32,874 Speaker 3: Would I do? 394 00:16:33,034 --> 00:16:35,834 Speaker 2: Mostly I wouldn't take off my wig in public for 395 00:16:36,034 --> 00:16:38,834 Speaker 2: other people's comfort. Rather than my own yes, because I 396 00:16:38,874 --> 00:16:40,714 Speaker 2: would think they're going to get confused. 397 00:16:40,874 --> 00:16:43,074 Speaker 1: What yeah, yeah, on a plane, you've got to get 398 00:16:43,114 --> 00:16:43,474 Speaker 1: off here. 399 00:16:43,594 --> 00:16:47,154 Speaker 2: No, but I got h as I was getting took 400 00:16:47,194 --> 00:16:49,674 Speaker 2: off my pajamas, did all that and put my wig on, 401 00:16:49,794 --> 00:16:52,274 Speaker 2: and as I walked out, the air hostess said, you 402 00:16:52,474 --> 00:16:54,634 Speaker 2: have got them. How does your hair look like that 403 00:16:54,914 --> 00:16:58,234 Speaker 2: after a twelve hour flat? And I just went like 404 00:16:58,354 --> 00:17:01,114 Speaker 2: this and you can't see, but so easy. 405 00:17:01,394 --> 00:17:03,994 Speaker 1: Oh wow, just lift it up for those who can't see, 406 00:17:04,074 --> 00:17:06,394 Speaker 1: you can just lift up and show. And she was 407 00:17:06,594 --> 00:17:09,474 Speaker 1: making Yeah, I had no idea, it was like that. 408 00:17:09,914 --> 00:17:13,354 Speaker 2: Yeah, so gosh, they've come a long way exactly. You know, 409 00:17:13,434 --> 00:17:15,954 Speaker 2: they're not glued on you, just the one you take 410 00:17:15,994 --> 00:17:16,314 Speaker 2: them off. 411 00:17:16,394 --> 00:17:18,714 Speaker 1: It's really easy. That is fascinating. We need to get 412 00:17:18,714 --> 00:17:29,314 Speaker 1: your new beauty to talk more hair. So on the 413 00:17:29,354 --> 00:17:31,434 Speaker 1: flip side, you have written the book. You've been through 414 00:17:31,434 --> 00:17:33,954 Speaker 1: the vortex what do we call it? The vortextex? You 415 00:17:34,114 --> 00:17:35,714 Speaker 1: have come out of the vortex and your book is 416 00:17:35,754 --> 00:17:37,794 Speaker 1: about to be everywhere. So you're on tour, so that's 417 00:17:38,034 --> 00:17:40,554 Speaker 1: quite different to being at home on the couch in 418 00:17:40,674 --> 00:17:43,474 Speaker 1: your vortex. Yea, what do you do? Then you've got 419 00:17:43,554 --> 00:17:45,994 Speaker 1: to get dressed. Love fashion anyway, but what's the approach 420 00:17:46,034 --> 00:17:48,273 Speaker 1: then to book to it which seems quite glamorous and 421 00:17:48,354 --> 00:17:50,674 Speaker 1: it's quite fast paced and there's different events and it's 422 00:17:50,714 --> 00:17:54,194 Speaker 1: on social media. Then you're wearing outfits. How does that go? 423 00:17:54,754 --> 00:17:56,714 Speaker 2: I know, I've kind of created a rod for my 424 00:17:56,794 --> 00:17:58,994 Speaker 2: back as well, because I've really made a thing of the. 425 00:17:59,034 --> 00:18:01,154 Speaker 1: Outfits and you're always looking peccable. 426 00:18:01,194 --> 00:18:03,354 Speaker 3: Well, I just love it. I love to kind of 427 00:18:03,474 --> 00:18:05,874 Speaker 3: style my way through a book tour. 428 00:18:06,074 --> 00:18:09,074 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I like Marco Robbie when she's on the 429 00:18:09,114 --> 00:18:11,874 Speaker 1: tour for a movie and the Barbie Vible whatever. Yeah. 430 00:18:11,994 --> 00:18:14,474 Speaker 1: But I do wonder that also if your book topic 431 00:18:14,554 --> 00:18:16,593 Speaker 1: and the characters kind of influence who you are at 432 00:18:16,634 --> 00:18:19,074 Speaker 1: that point. I mean, it's really just about who I 433 00:18:19,194 --> 00:18:19,914 Speaker 1: am at that point. 434 00:18:20,154 --> 00:18:23,314 Speaker 2: And in the past I have been very into frocks, 435 00:18:23,394 --> 00:18:28,914 Speaker 2: like real color dresses, floral, bright, beautiful dress makes a 436 00:18:28,954 --> 00:18:31,354 Speaker 2: statement and one and done with a dress exactly really 437 00:18:31,434 --> 00:18:35,034 Speaker 2: easy for traveling. Yes, I think that this time I 438 00:18:35,434 --> 00:18:37,874 Speaker 2: am leaning in and I'm about to go on tour 439 00:18:37,954 --> 00:18:40,874 Speaker 2: as we're recording this in two weeks, I'm really leaning 440 00:18:40,954 --> 00:18:44,793 Speaker 2: more towards separates, which is not as easy for putting 441 00:18:44,834 --> 00:18:48,954 Speaker 2: things together, but I really I prefer a more kind 442 00:18:49,034 --> 00:18:52,314 Speaker 2: of casual, comfortable, still elevate. 443 00:18:52,394 --> 00:18:53,793 Speaker 3: I love a suit, and. 444 00:18:53,874 --> 00:18:57,234 Speaker 2: You've got some beautiful I like a bit of an oversized, 445 00:18:57,234 --> 00:19:01,114 Speaker 2: bit of a masculinity, yes, and I love a kind 446 00:19:01,154 --> 00:19:03,674 Speaker 2: of skirt. I think there's more ability to kind of 447 00:19:03,794 --> 00:19:07,074 Speaker 2: play with, you know, make something a bit edge. 448 00:19:07,154 --> 00:19:08,234 Speaker 3: You're a bit more interesting. 449 00:19:08,314 --> 00:19:11,714 Speaker 1: If they're separate. I think it's harder to do, but 450 00:19:11,914 --> 00:19:14,074 Speaker 1: it says someone has more style if they nail it. 451 00:19:14,114 --> 00:19:16,634 Speaker 1: I think, yes, yeah, are you planning now, like are 452 00:19:16,674 --> 00:19:18,793 Speaker 1: you an outfit plant or you are outfit planner. 453 00:19:18,954 --> 00:19:21,754 Speaker 2: Well, it's been good because the last couple of tours 454 00:19:21,954 --> 00:19:24,714 Speaker 2: I have had brands sponsor the tour and so they 455 00:19:24,914 --> 00:19:28,434 Speaker 2: will that's a great actually provide the outfit and I 456 00:19:28,514 --> 00:19:32,074 Speaker 2: will choose them within from what they supply, because it's hard. 457 00:19:32,794 --> 00:19:34,834 Speaker 2: I have had people kind of just send things and 458 00:19:34,914 --> 00:19:37,314 Speaker 2: I always think I don't I don't think i'd wear that. 459 00:19:37,394 --> 00:19:38,634 Speaker 3: And I have to feel like you. 460 00:19:38,714 --> 00:19:40,194 Speaker 1: Want to be comfortable. I mean it's all about you. 461 00:19:40,234 --> 00:19:42,194 Speaker 1: You're talking in public. It's not like you. Yeah, you 462 00:19:42,634 --> 00:19:44,074 Speaker 1: might want to wear something fancy, but you still have 463 00:19:44,154 --> 00:19:44,394 Speaker 1: to be you. 464 00:19:44,674 --> 00:19:47,234 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'd feel stupid, like sitting there talking about 465 00:19:47,234 --> 00:19:48,674 Speaker 2: my book and a bald down. 466 00:19:49,074 --> 00:19:53,114 Speaker 1: You know, look, you never know. So you're not Sally 467 00:19:53,194 --> 00:19:55,513 Speaker 1: on deadline and you're not Sally on tour. Who is she? 468 00:19:55,834 --> 00:19:55,874 Speaker 2: What? 469 00:19:56,314 --> 00:19:57,194 Speaker 1: How do you sum up hers? 470 00:19:58,274 --> 00:20:01,114 Speaker 2: I would say at the moment she's evolved, So I 471 00:20:01,154 --> 00:20:04,994 Speaker 2: would say at the moment she is. Comfort is important 472 00:20:05,194 --> 00:20:07,554 Speaker 2: because I'm traveling, I'm at a different event, and every 473 00:20:07,674 --> 00:20:08,674 Speaker 2: day it's very intense. 474 00:20:08,714 --> 00:20:10,874 Speaker 3: Every day I'm somewhere new and. 475 00:20:10,914 --> 00:20:14,314 Speaker 1: I'm on a plane where I just don't do uncomfortable anymore. No, 476 00:20:14,594 --> 00:20:17,114 Speaker 1: think back to my time at Cosmo when we will 477 00:20:17,154 --> 00:20:20,273 Speaker 1: still lotos every single day. Wow, I know, embodied, Like 478 00:20:20,354 --> 00:20:22,234 Speaker 1: I remember just getting home and just thinking I can't 479 00:20:22,234 --> 00:20:23,674 Speaker 1: wait to eat this off. But I never thought you 480 00:20:23,794 --> 00:20:26,274 Speaker 1: don't have to wear things that are uncomfortable. No, you don't, 481 00:20:26,354 --> 00:20:29,034 Speaker 1: and now I just will not. Yeah. Yeah, it's just 482 00:20:29,154 --> 00:20:30,234 Speaker 1: comfort is so important. 483 00:20:30,354 --> 00:20:33,234 Speaker 2: Comfort is everything, and I actually haven't even I've always 484 00:20:33,274 --> 00:20:35,354 Speaker 2: been in to comfort. I've got flat feet and so 485 00:20:35,394 --> 00:20:38,394 Speaker 2: I've never been able to wear heels, so I've always. 486 00:20:38,194 --> 00:20:40,434 Speaker 3: Had to do something a bit well. 487 00:20:40,634 --> 00:20:43,674 Speaker 1: I mean I'm five to six, so just ten centimeters 488 00:20:44,154 --> 00:20:47,194 Speaker 1: like one hundred and sixty eight something like sixty five 489 00:20:47,274 --> 00:20:53,234 Speaker 1: you give to people have said that to be confident exactly. 490 00:20:53,434 --> 00:20:54,273 Speaker 1: I'm six foot two. 491 00:20:55,114 --> 00:20:57,794 Speaker 2: I like to I like to be comfortable, but I 492 00:20:57,874 --> 00:21:03,354 Speaker 2: also like to feel like a professional in the sense 493 00:21:03,434 --> 00:21:05,553 Speaker 2: that I don't want to be sitting on a stool 494 00:21:05,754 --> 00:21:07,874 Speaker 2: and I may not know until I get there. You know, 495 00:21:07,994 --> 00:21:10,353 Speaker 2: is it an arm chair? Is it a store here? 496 00:21:10,394 --> 00:21:14,714 Speaker 2: And yeah, if it's something I need to feel like, 497 00:21:15,114 --> 00:21:17,434 Speaker 2: I'm okay with whatever the scenario is. 498 00:21:17,754 --> 00:21:20,033 Speaker 1: And so I like pants, I like skirts that are 499 00:21:20,034 --> 00:21:20,714 Speaker 1: below the knee. 500 00:21:21,074 --> 00:21:22,474 Speaker 2: I don't want to be caught short, and I don't 501 00:21:22,474 --> 00:21:24,834 Speaker 2: want to be uncomfortable on high heels and stuff like that. 502 00:21:25,354 --> 00:21:26,674 Speaker 3: But I want it to be fun and I. 503 00:21:26,714 --> 00:21:28,714 Speaker 1: Want it to be boring. I would never I'd like, 504 00:21:28,794 --> 00:21:30,154 Speaker 1: don't take this the wrong way. But I wouldn't say 505 00:21:30,194 --> 00:21:32,834 Speaker 1: your style is classic. No in a good way though, 506 00:21:32,874 --> 00:21:36,553 Speaker 1: because you always have interesting pieces or you know, color 507 00:21:36,794 --> 00:21:39,354 Speaker 1: or patterns, and I think for me, as someone who's 508 00:21:39,354 --> 00:21:42,073 Speaker 1: scared of that, I really admire that because you make 509 00:21:42,074 --> 00:21:44,274 Speaker 1: it feel effortless, and I can feel effortless because it's 510 00:21:44,394 --> 00:21:47,394 Speaker 1: literally effortless. But it's harder to clash sort of colors 511 00:21:47,434 --> 00:21:49,474 Speaker 1: and prints and separates as you say, and still make 512 00:21:49,514 --> 00:21:52,114 Speaker 1: it work. So let's get more into your style in general. 513 00:21:52,434 --> 00:21:55,554 Speaker 1: How do you describe your style? We know you like comfy, 514 00:21:55,634 --> 00:21:58,434 Speaker 1: but how would you describe I guess what it looks 515 00:21:58,554 --> 00:22:00,754 Speaker 1: like from the outside, And how do you feel about 516 00:22:00,794 --> 00:22:01,834 Speaker 1: clothes and fashion. 517 00:22:03,514 --> 00:22:05,273 Speaker 2: Or Okay, we'll go first. I would say I have 518 00:22:05,354 --> 00:22:09,154 Speaker 2: a casual starf I'll probably I think you use the 519 00:22:09,194 --> 00:22:10,394 Speaker 2: word trendy or. 520 00:22:12,794 --> 00:22:15,513 Speaker 1: Not jumping on trends though, No, just like a little 521 00:22:15,554 --> 00:22:17,314 Speaker 1: bit of a trend. Yeah, like a bit of an edge, 522 00:22:17,354 --> 00:22:20,394 Speaker 1: but not edgy. It's hard. Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, fun 523 00:22:20,714 --> 00:22:23,273 Speaker 1: but not like fun. Yeah, it's probably a good It 524 00:22:23,314 --> 00:22:24,994 Speaker 1: looks like I have fun one with clothes. I do, 525 00:22:25,354 --> 00:22:28,194 Speaker 1: and that is my relationship with clothes. I love clothes. 526 00:22:28,354 --> 00:22:32,274 Speaker 2: I'm interested in them. I love to probably not quite 527 00:22:32,314 --> 00:22:35,033 Speaker 2: as much as me and the way she likes dresses. 528 00:22:34,954 --> 00:22:37,634 Speaker 1: And Maya look. I admire her style too, but I 529 00:22:37,674 --> 00:22:39,394 Speaker 1: feel like she has so much fun that she just 530 00:22:39,514 --> 00:22:41,394 Speaker 1: wishes she had like two bodies to put all the 531 00:22:41,434 --> 00:22:44,034 Speaker 1: clothes on, but she puts them all enough to dress. 532 00:22:44,194 --> 00:22:50,554 Speaker 2: Yes, I love the process of getting dressed, and I 533 00:22:50,754 --> 00:22:53,394 Speaker 2: love what one little accessory can do to an outfit, 534 00:22:53,954 --> 00:22:59,234 Speaker 2: and I will scroll clothes or closed stores or things for. 535 00:22:59,354 --> 00:23:02,513 Speaker 1: Fun me too, like people watch maths. I don't know 536 00:23:02,554 --> 00:23:05,714 Speaker 1: what people scroll TikTok. I scroll deepop or the iconic 537 00:23:06,034 --> 00:23:08,194 Speaker 1: or you know, my Teresa, Oh god knows what. I'm 538 00:23:08,274 --> 00:23:11,194 Speaker 1: very into auctions at the moment. Oh yeah, absolutely, I 539 00:23:11,314 --> 00:23:13,234 Speaker 1: love it. And if it's harder to get the better 540 00:23:13,354 --> 00:23:15,034 Speaker 1: because it feels like such a win. But yeah, that's 541 00:23:15,074 --> 00:23:15,874 Speaker 1: my entertainment. 542 00:23:16,034 --> 00:23:18,474 Speaker 2: And don't you think I think people can be tempted 543 00:23:18,594 --> 00:23:21,754 Speaker 2: to think, you know, the cliche of girls looking at 544 00:23:21,794 --> 00:23:26,834 Speaker 2: clothes this really superficial, really you know, vacuous kind of 545 00:23:26,954 --> 00:23:29,994 Speaker 2: thing to do. But I actually think that there's so 546 00:23:30,274 --> 00:23:33,874 Speaker 2: much psychology in fashion. Like just look at Love Story. 547 00:23:33,954 --> 00:23:37,474 Speaker 2: Now everyone's talking about Carolyn Bessett Kennedy. Not just about 548 00:23:37,634 --> 00:23:41,074 Speaker 2: remember that thing she wore, It's about what an interesting 549 00:23:41,274 --> 00:23:45,714 Speaker 2: person she was. People are fascinated by her, and so 550 00:23:45,954 --> 00:23:50,033 Speaker 2: the outfits that she wore are our window into her. 551 00:23:50,114 --> 00:23:52,273 Speaker 1: I agreed, Yeah, I so agree. And I think you know, 552 00:23:52,594 --> 00:23:54,554 Speaker 1: they call it retail therapy. I'm not always buying, but 553 00:23:54,634 --> 00:23:57,074 Speaker 1: it's a bit meditative for me, and I just you know, 554 00:23:57,154 --> 00:24:00,154 Speaker 1: that's how I keep across things in general, not just 555 00:24:00,234 --> 00:24:01,994 Speaker 1: for work, but because I find it really interesting and 556 00:24:02,074 --> 00:24:04,714 Speaker 1: it's you know, I'm not saying sports, girls and art form, 557 00:24:04,794 --> 00:24:06,994 Speaker 1: but it is a creative thing that someone has created. 558 00:24:07,114 --> 00:24:08,994 Speaker 1: And I do like looking at art or listening to music, 559 00:24:09,034 --> 00:24:11,234 Speaker 1: and I think that looking at fashion is the same. 560 00:24:11,354 --> 00:24:12,434 Speaker 3: There's a psychology to it. 561 00:24:13,034 --> 00:24:15,794 Speaker 1: Okay, so you've given five minutes to get dressed. I'm 562 00:24:15,794 --> 00:24:17,313 Speaker 1: trying to think where you're going. You're not going anywhere 563 00:24:17,354 --> 00:24:20,074 Speaker 1: super fancy, but you're going somewhere. What's the most Sally 564 00:24:20,194 --> 00:24:21,874 Speaker 1: outfit that you can think of that you're reaching for 565 00:24:22,114 --> 00:24:23,674 Speaker 1: right now? This happens tomorrow. 566 00:24:23,914 --> 00:24:27,914 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so it would probably be probably jeans. I 567 00:24:28,034 --> 00:24:31,874 Speaker 2: have a Levi's ribcage and love it. 568 00:24:32,034 --> 00:24:35,474 Speaker 1: I get the you have a relatively long water Ah yeah, 569 00:24:35,474 --> 00:24:37,554 Speaker 1: I do have such a short so for me, they're 570 00:24:37,554 --> 00:24:39,834 Speaker 1: actually like boob cage, like they're right onto my boobs. 571 00:24:39,834 --> 00:24:42,274 Speaker 1: But I love them. No, I have got a long 572 00:24:42,354 --> 00:24:46,514 Speaker 1: torso and short legs, which every woman wants. But I've 573 00:24:46,514 --> 00:24:49,513 Speaker 1: got short short and you get the crops, get the 574 00:24:49,594 --> 00:24:51,594 Speaker 1: cropped ones. That's sort of going to say, yeah, as 575 00:24:51,714 --> 00:24:54,874 Speaker 1: tall as I thought, they're not so faking Well, I'm glad. 576 00:24:55,034 --> 00:24:57,194 Speaker 3: I didn't realize all my cropped pants. 577 00:24:57,674 --> 00:24:59,634 Speaker 1: I love it. I love a shop that does. They'll 578 00:24:59,634 --> 00:25:01,634 Speaker 1: crop them for you unicloakah. 579 00:25:01,874 --> 00:25:04,594 Speaker 2: So yeah, I would wear probably my my Levi's. I'd 580 00:25:04,634 --> 00:25:05,434 Speaker 2: probably wear. 581 00:25:05,514 --> 00:25:10,114 Speaker 1: A trainer like this special or a fabulous Your socks 582 00:25:10,114 --> 00:25:13,234 Speaker 1: are they're like lime green Lacey sock these. I picked 583 00:25:13,314 --> 00:25:13,793 Speaker 1: these up. 584 00:25:14,634 --> 00:25:15,794 Speaker 3: I love that we're digressing. 585 00:25:15,834 --> 00:25:18,754 Speaker 2: This is so I know it's very These I got 586 00:25:18,834 --> 00:25:22,594 Speaker 2: from Minis, which is where my daughter was going to 587 00:25:22,674 --> 00:25:25,914 Speaker 2: get some you know, ridiculous tool. 588 00:25:26,074 --> 00:25:29,234 Speaker 1: In minnesot because my son's obsessed with Kirby or sometimes 589 00:25:29,754 --> 00:25:31,674 Speaker 1: and there's it like a k Beauty J beauty section. 590 00:25:31,714 --> 00:25:34,314 Speaker 1: So I'm always happy to go its socks and I 591 00:25:34,394 --> 00:25:35,434 Speaker 1: bought three pairs. 592 00:25:35,514 --> 00:25:37,954 Speaker 3: I checked with Gray Slamb if it was allowed. 593 00:25:38,034 --> 00:25:40,514 Speaker 1: If it was allowed, and she's pretty scary, okay, yeah, 594 00:25:40,594 --> 00:25:43,114 Speaker 1: we're all scared, Okay. So you would wear the Levi's 595 00:25:43,154 --> 00:25:44,354 Speaker 1: with a trainer and a sock. 596 00:25:44,794 --> 00:25:47,714 Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I would probably wear Now it sounds 597 00:25:47,874 --> 00:25:51,314 Speaker 2: very casual. I'd probably wear either a vintage tea or 598 00:25:51,314 --> 00:25:53,514 Speaker 2: I've got a couple of shirts that also have got 599 00:25:53,594 --> 00:25:57,714 Speaker 2: that kind of pilgrim collar, or I'm using the wrong term. 600 00:25:57,834 --> 00:25:58,674 Speaker 1: No, I'm sure that's it. 601 00:25:58,914 --> 00:26:01,754 Speaker 2: And a trench like I really I think a trench 602 00:26:02,354 --> 00:26:04,554 Speaker 2: is such a because it is classic. 603 00:26:04,314 --> 00:26:08,714 Speaker 3: To wear with either an unusual top or a or vintage. 604 00:26:08,354 --> 00:26:11,954 Speaker 1: Tea that's not too feminine. Yeah, like it can make 605 00:26:12,154 --> 00:26:14,834 Speaker 1: it for a really cool I agree, and then I 606 00:26:14,914 --> 00:26:17,593 Speaker 1: were back into trench season. Now yeah, me too, me too, 607 00:26:17,714 --> 00:26:19,234 Speaker 1: I just will I just bought another one, like to 608 00:26:19,274 --> 00:26:20,354 Speaker 1: add to all my others. 609 00:26:20,594 --> 00:26:21,114 Speaker 3: Yeah, I need it. 610 00:26:21,714 --> 00:26:25,073 Speaker 2: Oh, you can have one, okay, and then I might 611 00:26:25,234 --> 00:26:27,074 Speaker 2: do this is not exactly fashion, but I might do 612 00:26:27,194 --> 00:26:29,074 Speaker 2: something like what I've done today, put on a red lift, 613 00:26:29,274 --> 00:26:34,834 Speaker 2: because I think that almost is another it's accessory, super 614 00:26:34,914 --> 00:26:37,594 Speaker 2: casual with that sort of saying. 615 00:26:37,634 --> 00:26:40,154 Speaker 3: But I understand that this is not I. 616 00:26:40,194 --> 00:26:43,354 Speaker 1: Respect whoever I'm seeing since the lip You've mentioned that 617 00:26:43,354 --> 00:26:45,434 Speaker 1: beautiful Me and M dress. But if there's some clothes 618 00:26:45,474 --> 00:26:47,394 Speaker 1: in your wardrobe that you immediately think of that you'll 619 00:26:47,474 --> 00:26:50,114 Speaker 1: never get rid of, maybe you don't even wear them anymore, 620 00:26:50,194 --> 00:26:54,354 Speaker 1: that have memories and they've somehow survived your wardrobe cleanouts, 621 00:26:54,394 --> 00:26:55,314 Speaker 1: what are they? Yeah? 622 00:26:55,474 --> 00:26:57,754 Speaker 3: Well, that that Me and M dress will come with 623 00:26:57,874 --> 00:26:59,834 Speaker 3: me everywhere until I die. 624 00:27:00,394 --> 00:27:02,074 Speaker 1: On the day you are farewelled. 625 00:27:02,154 --> 00:27:05,114 Speaker 2: I might be buried in it, although I did say 626 00:27:05,794 --> 00:27:07,714 Speaker 2: to my children recently that I want to be buried 627 00:27:07,754 --> 00:27:08,553 Speaker 2: in a tracksuit like. 628 00:27:08,594 --> 00:27:12,714 Speaker 1: I always think that you know and warm, Yes exactly, 629 00:27:13,474 --> 00:27:15,754 Speaker 1: because you can really tell packed me with my clothes, 630 00:27:15,914 --> 00:27:17,874 Speaker 1: just lay it over the top of me. Yes, just 631 00:27:17,954 --> 00:27:19,513 Speaker 1: I mean if I was buried under my clothes, I 632 00:27:19,634 --> 00:27:22,273 Speaker 1: die anyway, Yes, you go. 633 00:27:22,594 --> 00:27:24,074 Speaker 3: That wouldn't be a bad way to go at all. 634 00:27:24,754 --> 00:27:26,834 Speaker 2: So that one, I also have got a and I 635 00:27:26,874 --> 00:27:28,994 Speaker 2: don't think I will wear that dress again. I don't 636 00:27:28,994 --> 00:27:30,354 Speaker 2: think I'll wear the next thing again. 637 00:27:30,474 --> 00:27:31,394 Speaker 3: But I love them. 638 00:27:31,834 --> 00:27:35,474 Speaker 2: Is the pair of black high waisted Sassin byed pants 639 00:27:35,514 --> 00:27:39,554 Speaker 2: that have gold kind of embellishment, remember, And I just 640 00:27:39,874 --> 00:27:42,354 Speaker 2: like I feel like a matador or something like I'm 641 00:27:42,354 --> 00:27:43,714 Speaker 2: going to get out my red cave. 642 00:27:43,914 --> 00:27:45,114 Speaker 1: Did you wear them a lot when you have them? 643 00:27:45,474 --> 00:27:45,994 Speaker 1: When you got them? 644 00:27:46,074 --> 00:27:48,833 Speaker 2: I did, And I just like they feel like something 645 00:27:48,954 --> 00:27:52,194 Speaker 2: that even out of fashion, that they were just a 646 00:27:52,314 --> 00:27:54,273 Speaker 2: beautiful piece of fashion. Like I look at them. 647 00:27:54,314 --> 00:27:57,074 Speaker 3: I enjoy seeing them in my wardrobe and I feel 648 00:27:57,194 --> 00:27:57,714 Speaker 3: like back though. 649 00:27:57,714 --> 00:28:00,474 Speaker 1: I mean the Sassin bi rat leggings just came back, 650 00:28:00,594 --> 00:28:02,634 Speaker 1: did they? And I just got rid of mine of course, 651 00:28:03,594 --> 00:28:06,394 Speaker 1: are you sentimental with clothes with some like it? 652 00:28:06,514 --> 00:28:07,674 Speaker 3: Certainly those things. 653 00:28:07,714 --> 00:28:09,554 Speaker 2: When I have got something beautiful that I've worn just 654 00:28:09,594 --> 00:28:11,474 Speaker 2: a couple of times and maybe paid a lot of 655 00:28:11,514 --> 00:28:13,994 Speaker 2: money for, or worn on a tour, I will be 656 00:28:14,114 --> 00:28:15,234 Speaker 2: sentimental about them. 657 00:28:15,474 --> 00:28:18,273 Speaker 1: It's hard then, because I am sentimental about things for 658 00:28:18,354 --> 00:28:20,514 Speaker 1: different reasons. And then if I'm in a sentimental mood, 659 00:28:20,594 --> 00:28:23,034 Speaker 1: that's not a good time to clean up. No, no, 660 00:28:23,434 --> 00:28:25,314 Speaker 1: But then if you're in a ruthless mood, well you 661 00:28:25,434 --> 00:28:29,314 Speaker 1: don't want to lose those special Everything is still in 662 00:28:29,434 --> 00:28:32,914 Speaker 1: suitcases ready for deep hop, but they're still in my house. 663 00:28:33,514 --> 00:28:36,234 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the things that I depop generally have 664 00:28:36,434 --> 00:28:37,794 Speaker 2: just been with me for a short time. 665 00:28:37,874 --> 00:28:40,194 Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's still Yeah, people want them and they're 666 00:28:40,194 --> 00:28:40,674 Speaker 1: a good label. 667 00:28:40,874 --> 00:28:41,074 Speaker 2: Yeah. 668 00:28:41,514 --> 00:28:46,834 Speaker 1: What do you admire about other women's style? Effortlessness? Would 669 00:28:46,874 --> 00:28:47,714 Speaker 1: you think that exists? 670 00:28:47,994 --> 00:28:50,874 Speaker 2: Well, I truly, I think it's a little bit like 671 00:28:50,994 --> 00:28:52,914 Speaker 2: my mum says, which is the key to having an 672 00:28:52,914 --> 00:28:54,914 Speaker 2: effortless dinner party is a lot of effort. 673 00:28:55,034 --> 00:28:58,474 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's it right, I think that. Look, I 674 00:28:58,554 --> 00:29:00,474 Speaker 1: mean I've got a few friends who I've seen throw 675 00:29:00,594 --> 00:29:03,474 Speaker 1: things together and they always look great. Yeah, I have 676 00:29:03,594 --> 00:29:06,114 Speaker 1: one of those friends who literally could be thrown in 677 00:29:06,194 --> 00:29:07,914 Speaker 1: a room she's never been in clothes and have her 678 00:29:07,954 --> 00:29:10,194 Speaker 1: eyes shut and whatever she would put on was so 679 00:29:10,354 --> 00:29:14,394 Speaker 1: weird and so phenomenal. Yeah, I mean often they're extremely beautiful. 680 00:29:14,514 --> 00:29:16,954 Speaker 1: That can really help. It helps, But I. 681 00:29:17,914 --> 00:29:20,914 Speaker 2: Think effortlessness, or the look of effortlessness, even if it 682 00:29:21,194 --> 00:29:23,114 Speaker 2: has taken a lot of effort, is something that I 683 00:29:23,274 --> 00:29:24,274 Speaker 2: really admire. 684 00:29:25,114 --> 00:29:27,514 Speaker 1: The goal and ease, which. 685 00:29:27,394 --> 00:29:29,754 Speaker 2: Is maybe the same thing, but just you know, not 686 00:29:30,554 --> 00:29:34,314 Speaker 2: tugging something up or down, which I feel myself doing 687 00:29:34,394 --> 00:29:35,274 Speaker 2: all the time me too. 688 00:29:35,354 --> 00:29:37,354 Speaker 1: And it's the way people carry themselves in their clothes. 689 00:29:37,394 --> 00:29:40,234 Speaker 1: It probably you know, there's an air of confidence about them. 690 00:29:40,274 --> 00:29:43,074 Speaker 1: It's might you might not even notice the items because wow, 691 00:29:43,114 --> 00:29:46,314 Speaker 1: they're so stylish and confident. It's because they're comfortable exactly that. 692 00:29:47,034 --> 00:29:49,634 Speaker 1: It's not about buying new things, but it even is. 693 00:29:49,954 --> 00:29:52,874 Speaker 2: You know, someone could be effortless and easy in a 694 00:29:52,954 --> 00:29:56,474 Speaker 2: pair of high heels, like it's just about as you say, 695 00:29:56,514 --> 00:29:58,834 Speaker 2: that's the way that they carry themselves and the confidence. 696 00:29:58,874 --> 00:30:02,754 Speaker 2: And I guess they've chosen those clothes because they know 697 00:30:02,994 --> 00:30:06,594 Speaker 2: that they feel Okay, that's the process. 698 00:30:06,234 --> 00:30:08,634 Speaker 1: I'm going through into at the moment, it's like I 699 00:30:08,714 --> 00:30:10,354 Speaker 1: don't need any more. I mean, I've known that for 700 00:30:10,434 --> 00:30:12,234 Speaker 1: a long time, and I haven't been buying much at all, 701 00:30:12,274 --> 00:30:14,514 Speaker 1: but it's just I'm so overwhelmed by all the things 702 00:30:14,554 --> 00:30:17,794 Speaker 1: they do have that it's not like it's not effortless, 703 00:30:17,794 --> 00:30:20,354 Speaker 1: because the actual effort of choosing is not joyful anymore. 704 00:30:20,354 --> 00:30:22,514 Speaker 1: And it to be joyful. 705 00:30:22,834 --> 00:30:26,474 Speaker 2: And that's what the whole process was about for me. 706 00:30:26,594 --> 00:30:28,674 Speaker 2: And i'd tell you this and the people listening as 707 00:30:28,754 --> 00:30:30,834 Speaker 2: the first step. And maybe you already do this, but 708 00:30:31,234 --> 00:30:33,874 Speaker 2: I started with a one of those I ordered them 709 00:30:33,914 --> 00:30:36,354 Speaker 2: from Amazon, those big plastic bags that you know, the 710 00:30:36,394 --> 00:30:38,634 Speaker 2: stripey ones that we have to, you know, take home 711 00:30:38,674 --> 00:30:41,034 Speaker 2: from holidays, and I just put in the bottom of 712 00:30:41,154 --> 00:30:44,074 Speaker 2: my wardrobe. And every time I picked out something and 713 00:30:44,354 --> 00:30:46,874 Speaker 2: didn't wear it, like I decided, I threw it in there. 714 00:30:46,914 --> 00:30:49,154 Speaker 3: And it didn't mean that I was going to get 715 00:30:49,234 --> 00:30:49,514 Speaker 3: rid of it. 716 00:30:49,594 --> 00:30:51,274 Speaker 1: I hadn't made the decision then and there it was. 717 00:30:51,314 --> 00:30:52,434 Speaker 3: That that was purgatory. 718 00:30:53,314 --> 00:30:57,114 Speaker 2: And then I you know, some things would get pulled 719 00:30:57,154 --> 00:30:59,674 Speaker 2: out because I was looking for them, most of it didn't. 720 00:31:00,274 --> 00:31:02,434 Speaker 1: And that's a good way because you don't have to 721 00:31:02,474 --> 00:31:05,114 Speaker 1: make a definitive decision right away, and. 722 00:31:05,394 --> 00:31:08,034 Speaker 2: Then pergatree, I would go through and and often by 723 00:31:08,074 --> 00:31:09,594 Speaker 2: the time a couple of months had passed and I 724 00:31:09,674 --> 00:31:12,034 Speaker 2: hadn't worn it, I'm like, yeah, no, I forgot about you. 725 00:31:12,314 --> 00:31:14,074 Speaker 1: And it was it's a great idea. I need a 726 00:31:14,154 --> 00:31:17,634 Speaker 1: maybe tub because oftentimes when I do, I sit down 727 00:31:17,674 --> 00:31:19,394 Speaker 1: and you know, block out time to do a clear out. 728 00:31:19,434 --> 00:31:21,634 Speaker 1: I'm like, right, I'm in this mode. But then I'm 729 00:31:21,674 --> 00:31:23,034 Speaker 1: not sure. But it's the ones that I go it's 730 00:31:23,034 --> 00:31:25,954 Speaker 1: Tuesday morning, Oh oh no, not you because whatever I 731 00:31:26,034 --> 00:31:28,114 Speaker 1: put it back, Yeah, there's never a time I'm going 732 00:31:28,154 --> 00:31:29,634 Speaker 1: to wear that one because there's a reason why I 733 00:31:29,674 --> 00:31:30,474 Speaker 1: didn't wear it that day. 734 00:31:30,594 --> 00:31:32,794 Speaker 2: And that's the key, is that not waiting for a 735 00:31:32,874 --> 00:31:35,514 Speaker 2: time to de clutter, but actually just having a thing 736 00:31:35,594 --> 00:31:38,714 Speaker 2: there that you can put things in, yes as you. 737 00:31:38,754 --> 00:31:41,274 Speaker 1: Go and then like a laundry hamper, but for your 738 00:31:41,554 --> 00:31:42,874 Speaker 1: I don't think I want you anymore. 739 00:31:42,954 --> 00:31:44,514 Speaker 3: Yeah, in the bottom of your wardrobe. 740 00:31:44,794 --> 00:31:46,634 Speaker 1: Or we're on a break and we're probably going to 741 00:31:46,674 --> 00:31:49,674 Speaker 1: get divorced, but I'll just leave you may not, we're 742 00:31:49,714 --> 00:31:51,194 Speaker 1: on a break. I love it, Okay, I'm going to 743 00:31:51,234 --> 00:32:06,474 Speaker 1: do that. It's very expensive, how wond you these percent 744 00:32:07,274 --> 00:32:09,714 Speaker 1: so on to bougie to budget. So tell me what 745 00:32:09,794 --> 00:32:13,114 Speaker 1: your item is and why you've chosen that category, and 746 00:32:13,194 --> 00:32:14,074 Speaker 1: then we'll go through them. 747 00:32:14,314 --> 00:32:18,554 Speaker 2: Well, I've chosen a line denim skirts because I have 748 00:32:18,754 --> 00:32:22,514 Speaker 2: been looking at them, and I have a couple, but 749 00:32:22,594 --> 00:32:26,794 Speaker 2: I haven't found my holy grail long sort of midy 750 00:32:26,954 --> 00:32:28,994 Speaker 2: are the ones that I'm looking for? And I know 751 00:32:29,314 --> 00:32:33,794 Speaker 2: my friend Lucy was wearing a Zimmerman one recently and 752 00:32:33,874 --> 00:32:36,674 Speaker 2: it was so gorgeous, it was so expensive, and I 753 00:32:36,874 --> 00:32:39,034 Speaker 2: just thought, oh, and so I've been kind of looking 754 00:32:39,114 --> 00:32:39,314 Speaker 2: for that. 755 00:32:39,634 --> 00:32:43,074 Speaker 1: Okay, that's your inspo. But yes, okay, and did this 756 00:32:43,234 --> 00:32:45,394 Speaker 1: force him into researching? Have you found any like? 757 00:32:45,554 --> 00:32:46,514 Speaker 3: Have you sound good options? 758 00:32:46,594 --> 00:32:49,274 Speaker 1: Okay, that's not affordable? Yeah, about your affordable one? 759 00:32:49,314 --> 00:32:53,034 Speaker 2: Okay, So I found an affordable version, really nice one 760 00:32:53,114 --> 00:32:57,314 Speaker 2: from Atmos and here it's called the Aston Denim Midi 761 00:32:57,434 --> 00:33:00,874 Speaker 2: skirt and currently it's reduced I think it's fifty five dollars. 762 00:33:01,314 --> 00:33:04,954 Speaker 1: Just yes, sales from the Iconic right now all the time. 763 00:33:05,394 --> 00:33:08,594 Speaker 1: I just it's always get stuff produced, especially the in 764 00:33:08,674 --> 00:33:10,754 Speaker 1: house brands. Yeah, and then you like kind of have to. 765 00:33:11,034 --> 00:33:14,474 Speaker 2: I know, it looks gorgeous. I mean, the thing that's 766 00:33:14,594 --> 00:33:16,994 Speaker 2: hard to tell is you want to know is it weighty? 767 00:33:17,114 --> 00:33:19,594 Speaker 2: You know? Is it got that good feel? But it's 768 00:33:19,634 --> 00:33:23,154 Speaker 2: a beautiful shape. It's a dark den that's heaven. Yeah, 769 00:33:23,354 --> 00:33:25,314 Speaker 2: that's exactly kind of what I want. 770 00:33:25,354 --> 00:33:28,354 Speaker 1: I'm looking for Asia a little bit because I've got 771 00:33:28,394 --> 00:33:31,234 Speaker 1: a few denim skirts that aren't like pencil skirts. Obviously 772 00:33:31,234 --> 00:33:32,714 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have bought them, but I bought them online 773 00:33:32,754 --> 00:33:35,074 Speaker 1: and you still can't move. You need to walk and 774 00:33:35,274 --> 00:33:37,514 Speaker 1: at aline denim yep is perfect because these are the 775 00:33:37,554 --> 00:33:39,394 Speaker 1: ones I just shuffle along and they should be in 776 00:33:39,474 --> 00:33:42,354 Speaker 1: my maybe dub and then gone, yeah, I'm going to 777 00:33:42,434 --> 00:33:42,554 Speaker 1: do that. 778 00:33:42,674 --> 00:33:45,714 Speaker 2: It's almost exactly the same as my mid range pick. 779 00:33:45,794 --> 00:33:48,954 Speaker 2: Can I go straight into that, which is a Veronica 780 00:33:49,154 --> 00:33:52,114 Speaker 2: main belted denim midy. 781 00:33:52,434 --> 00:33:55,874 Speaker 1: And I need annie. This is so bad. Oh that's heaven. 782 00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:59,754 Speaker 2: It's a beautiful, beautiful buttons. It's also a dark dinner. 783 00:33:59,874 --> 00:34:02,874 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know? I love you? I know you're 784 00:34:02,914 --> 00:34:04,514 Speaker 1: not the store, but I need a pocket and something 785 00:34:04,554 --> 00:34:06,594 Speaker 1: like that. I don't know if they have a pocket. 786 00:34:06,634 --> 00:34:08,553 Speaker 1: They did have a pocket in the Atmos and here 787 00:34:08,873 --> 00:34:11,154 Speaker 1: I'd imagine denim like a long denim skirt would have 788 00:34:11,194 --> 00:34:11,554 Speaker 1: a pocket. 789 00:34:11,634 --> 00:34:14,314 Speaker 2: That one's one ninety nine, which is you know, I mean, 790 00:34:14,393 --> 00:34:17,314 Speaker 2: it's that's expensive. But I know that that is an 791 00:34:17,354 --> 00:34:19,114 Speaker 2: item that I would just wear and wear it. 792 00:34:19,154 --> 00:34:21,194 Speaker 1: And you're going to have it forever. Yeah. Her stuff's 793 00:34:21,274 --> 00:34:22,474 Speaker 1: very good quality and it's. 794 00:34:22,394 --> 00:34:22,913 Speaker 3: Cheaper than. 795 00:34:24,354 --> 00:34:27,194 Speaker 1: And then the fancy one, funnily enough, is has yes. 796 00:34:27,314 --> 00:34:29,234 Speaker 1: Is that what it is? I don't know, but they 797 00:34:29,314 --> 00:34:32,674 Speaker 1: do the best denim. I have a pair of my 798 00:34:32,874 --> 00:34:35,034 Speaker 1: item in cut from this research, so i'll tell you 799 00:34:35,034 --> 00:34:37,114 Speaker 1: in a minute. Well, but there's Skirts of Heaven and 800 00:34:37,234 --> 00:34:40,754 Speaker 1: it's reduced. It was for twenty nine, but it's reduced 801 00:34:40,794 --> 00:34:44,834 Speaker 1: to two sixty at the moment. Nine. Wow, which is amazing. 802 00:34:44,914 --> 00:34:50,434 Speaker 1: I look at that. Now you need that one? No, 803 00:34:50,554 --> 00:34:52,794 Speaker 1: you don't. I'd go the first one. There's anthing here. 804 00:34:52,954 --> 00:34:56,114 Speaker 1: It was an interesting exercise because actually, if you look at. 805 00:34:56,034 --> 00:34:58,714 Speaker 3: Them all in that one's there, they are. 806 00:34:59,674 --> 00:35:02,954 Speaker 1: Okay, my item is and it sounds weird going into winter. 807 00:35:03,074 --> 00:35:06,433 Speaker 1: You know, we're in autumn paperbag waste or lasticaded waiste 808 00:35:06,474 --> 00:35:11,634 Speaker 1: denim shorts. Oh, they my at home uniform usually and 809 00:35:11,874 --> 00:35:15,314 Speaker 1: also out of the house. I shudder at this thought 810 00:35:15,354 --> 00:35:17,634 Speaker 1: of how many pairs I have but I love them because, 811 00:35:18,194 --> 00:35:19,914 Speaker 1: like you said, you check on the trench for pickup. 812 00:35:19,994 --> 00:35:22,274 Speaker 1: I mean I often wear a baggy pair of them 813 00:35:22,554 --> 00:35:24,194 Speaker 1: with a little kitten heel and a blazer and a 814 00:35:24,234 --> 00:35:26,554 Speaker 1: shirt or a T shirt and a bomber. They're the best. 815 00:35:27,194 --> 00:35:29,154 Speaker 1: I wee a lot, so you don't even have done 816 00:35:29,274 --> 00:35:31,914 Speaker 1: do anything. What well, I'll show you. 817 00:35:32,074 --> 00:35:33,754 Speaker 3: I mean, well you just we out the leg of a. 818 00:35:35,874 --> 00:35:41,393 Speaker 1: No, you have to pull them down, right. But so 819 00:35:41,514 --> 00:35:43,994 Speaker 1: I've got three to offer you. Two I own and 820 00:35:44,154 --> 00:35:47,234 Speaker 1: now considering, actually own all three of these ones. But 821 00:35:47,994 --> 00:35:50,234 Speaker 1: so let's start with the most affordable one, probably my 822 00:35:50,354 --> 00:35:53,354 Speaker 1: most high rotation. I've got two colors. They're from Best 823 00:35:53,434 --> 00:35:55,754 Speaker 1: and Less. They have an in house brand called Breakers. 824 00:35:55,834 --> 00:35:58,794 Speaker 1: They're called the poly paper bag denim short. There's thirty dollars. 825 00:35:58,874 --> 00:36:01,754 Speaker 1: I have the black and the dark denim, and every 826 00:36:01,794 --> 00:36:03,594 Speaker 1: time I wear them to pick up, people always say 827 00:36:03,634 --> 00:36:06,074 Speaker 1: and let me short. So I'm like, because in my suburb, 828 00:36:06,114 --> 00:36:08,274 Speaker 1: there's no like actual real retail storess, just kind of 829 00:36:08,274 --> 00:36:10,873 Speaker 1: cafes except for a Best and Less. And I've never 830 00:36:10,954 --> 00:36:13,033 Speaker 1: shopped Best in Less until we moved there, so good. 831 00:36:13,394 --> 00:36:15,594 Speaker 1: I need to find the best photo on the website. 832 00:36:15,634 --> 00:36:18,473 Speaker 1: To show you because the website doesn't do them justice. 833 00:36:18,514 --> 00:36:19,953 Speaker 1: You know, need to go and see them in real life. 834 00:36:20,394 --> 00:36:22,954 Speaker 1: They're white on the leg, they are very comfortable on 835 00:36:22,994 --> 00:36:25,154 Speaker 1: the waist. They do do up. I think, I don't know. 836 00:36:25,194 --> 00:36:26,954 Speaker 1: I need something I can whip up and down. Otherwise, 837 00:36:26,994 --> 00:36:29,034 Speaker 1: poor Ella, the producer notes, if I need to go 838 00:36:29,154 --> 00:36:33,714 Speaker 1: and deconstruct an outfit, I'm lost thirty bucks. They're phenomenal. Honestly, 839 00:36:33,754 --> 00:36:37,754 Speaker 1: I've had so many comments. My mid range is Sarah's Life. 840 00:36:37,794 --> 00:36:38,074 Speaker 2: He is that? 841 00:36:38,114 --> 00:36:39,754 Speaker 1: Hey, you say that Series Life serious? 842 00:36:40,034 --> 00:36:40,714 Speaker 3: It's serious? 843 00:36:40,834 --> 00:36:43,394 Speaker 1: Okay, thank you. Yeah. I don't have this exact style, 844 00:36:43,474 --> 00:36:47,874 Speaker 1: but they do an unbelievable amount of like elasticated waist shorts, 845 00:36:48,234 --> 00:36:48,634 Speaker 1: do they? 846 00:36:48,954 --> 00:36:49,154 Speaker 2: Yeah? 847 00:36:49,234 --> 00:36:52,914 Speaker 1: I love series well, I brand like. I don't know 848 00:36:53,234 --> 00:36:55,594 Speaker 1: a couple. They might at least four years old. These 849 00:36:55,674 --> 00:36:59,393 Speaker 1: ones are like actually all elasticated with a draw sting. 850 00:36:59,434 --> 00:37:01,674 Speaker 1: I always truck tuck the drawstring in. No, I don't 851 00:37:01,714 --> 00:37:04,913 Speaker 1: know why drawstrings make me feel. Yeah, funny, they've got 852 00:37:04,954 --> 00:37:07,473 Speaker 1: an exposed pocket because they need a pocket and off. 853 00:37:07,554 --> 00:37:11,033 Speaker 1: They're so great, honestly, that with like your little cashm knit. Yeah, 854 00:37:11,194 --> 00:37:12,994 Speaker 1: and you're popping up to the shops and a Birkenstock 855 00:37:13,074 --> 00:37:15,194 Speaker 1: or you can wear trainers. I live in them. 856 00:37:15,714 --> 00:37:18,394 Speaker 2: God, I love that you wear that with a cashman 857 00:37:18,594 --> 00:37:21,234 Speaker 2: like that. To me, that's like a singlet kind of situation. 858 00:37:21,394 --> 00:37:24,434 Speaker 1: But that's what this is supposed to be. But I 859 00:37:25,274 --> 00:37:28,154 Speaker 1: don't like fuss and I don't I don't know, like 860 00:37:28,674 --> 00:37:29,594 Speaker 1: I do you make it hip? 861 00:37:29,634 --> 00:37:31,034 Speaker 3: I really like that? 862 00:37:31,474 --> 00:37:34,554 Speaker 1: Well hip, Yeah, that's very it's very hip. I'm not 863 00:37:34,634 --> 00:37:36,873 Speaker 1: also not a tracksuit pant person at home. I don't well, 864 00:37:36,874 --> 00:37:40,274 Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm not a tracksuit person. Like the leg situation. 865 00:37:40,434 --> 00:37:42,434 Speaker 1: It's too hush. I don't know what it is. 866 00:37:43,114 --> 00:37:45,234 Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't want to be I'm from Melbourne. 867 00:37:44,874 --> 00:37:48,074 Speaker 1: To Yeah you're from Melbourne. I mean I have tracksuits, 868 00:37:48,114 --> 00:37:51,154 Speaker 1: but I just always reach for these shorts at year round. Yeah, 869 00:37:51,194 --> 00:37:52,674 Speaker 1: you just wear it with a little a little cardigan. 870 00:37:52,674 --> 00:37:56,034 Speaker 1: It's so cute. And then my other pair are outrageously priced. 871 00:37:56,074 --> 00:37:58,394 Speaker 1: I own two pairs. Please never buy them full price. 872 00:37:58,754 --> 00:38:01,634 Speaker 1: They're they're marunt at twil So like these Isabelle Moron 873 00:38:01,874 --> 00:38:05,314 Speaker 1: diffusion line. They called the T tier T I T 874 00:38:05,474 --> 00:38:09,194 Speaker 1: e A T. Them shorts four hundred and sixty dollars 875 00:38:09,394 --> 00:38:13,953 Speaker 1: like this is a David Jones. I have only ever 876 00:38:13,994 --> 00:38:15,873 Speaker 1: bought them on deep Hop or thrifted. I also have 877 00:38:15,954 --> 00:38:18,714 Speaker 1: the leather version, which I don't slummer around the housing, 878 00:38:18,754 --> 00:38:21,674 Speaker 1: but they're so good, full popera, the bag waves. They 879 00:38:21,714 --> 00:38:24,314 Speaker 1: come in every color imaginable. I've got like a Sage 880 00:38:24,394 --> 00:38:27,034 Speaker 1: green and that color. Yes it has like a fly 881 00:38:27,154 --> 00:38:30,074 Speaker 1: in a button, but I don't fly in button. I 882 00:38:30,274 --> 00:38:33,433 Speaker 1: just like they're cool. They're so cool. Yeah, they are 883 00:38:33,714 --> 00:38:35,754 Speaker 1: that even with like one of your like that and 884 00:38:36,114 --> 00:38:38,234 Speaker 1: your vintage cheese and a blazer. Yeah. I know you 885 00:38:38,274 --> 00:38:40,514 Speaker 1: live in Melbourne, but shorts for me are just the 886 00:38:40,554 --> 00:38:42,154 Speaker 1: most easy thing in the world. I like a short. 887 00:38:42,474 --> 00:38:44,393 Speaker 1: I just am obsessed. Like, if I count it, I 888 00:38:44,434 --> 00:38:46,593 Speaker 1: probably have twenty five pairs of this style of short, 889 00:38:46,674 --> 00:38:50,074 Speaker 1: mostly thrifted, and then it's really affordable branch. Yeah, thank 890 00:38:50,154 --> 00:38:52,514 Speaker 1: you Sally for joining me. That is fascinating. I am 891 00:38:52,714 --> 00:38:54,074 Speaker 1: going to maybe get a little bit of glitter in 892 00:38:54,114 --> 00:38:55,834 Speaker 1: my hair when I go see me because it's so good. 893 00:38:56,034 --> 00:38:58,314 Speaker 1: But you can just take yours out, Yes I can. 894 00:38:58,634 --> 00:39:00,234 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can put my hair on now. Everyone. 895 00:39:01,154 --> 00:39:04,114 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you so much for listening. 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