1 00:00:10,745 --> 00:00:13,465 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,945 --> 00:00:17,505 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,505 --> 00:00:19,545 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded. 4 00:00:19,105 --> 00:00:21,625 Speaker 1: On a lot of people in my family have super 5 00:00:21,665 --> 00:00:24,985 Speaker 1: spat brows, so I've had a big love hate relationship 6 00:00:24,985 --> 00:00:30,585 Speaker 1: with my brows. Makeup is my therapy. I'm obsess and 7 00:00:30,625 --> 00:00:32,265 Speaker 1: I don't even feel guilty your body. 8 00:00:34,825 --> 00:00:37,945 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to you Beauty, the daily podcast for 9 00:00:38,065 --> 00:00:41,385 Speaker 2: Your Face. I'm Lucy Neville and this is in Her Bag, 10 00:00:41,425 --> 00:00:43,505 Speaker 2: where I sit down with one of the biggest names 11 00:00:43,505 --> 00:00:46,545 Speaker 2: in beauty and snoop through their makeup bag. Today we're 12 00:00:46,585 --> 00:00:49,145 Speaker 2: sitting down with Maggie Zau. If you don't know her, 13 00:00:49,265 --> 00:00:52,345 Speaker 2: I think her insta bio sums her up very well. 14 00:00:52,785 --> 00:00:57,985 Speaker 2: Where's Slow Fashion Talks Very Fast. Maggie is a writer, podcaster, 15 00:00:58,305 --> 00:01:02,545 Speaker 2: influencer and MC. She's a self confessed multi hyphenett who 16 00:01:02,585 --> 00:01:04,945 Speaker 2: is leaving her mark on the media industry. In fact, 17 00:01:05,025 --> 00:01:07,665 Speaker 2: I think her mark is already well and truly made. 18 00:01:07,785 --> 00:01:11,625 Speaker 2: Her portfolio includes bylines in The Guardian, Refinery twenty nine, 19 00:01:11,825 --> 00:01:15,345 Speaker 2: el MTV and Murray Claire, but her talents do not 20 00:01:15,425 --> 00:01:17,865 Speaker 2: stop at the written words. She also co hosts the 21 00:01:17,905 --> 00:01:20,025 Speaker 2: Culture Club podcast, where she keeps us up to date 22 00:01:20,065 --> 00:01:23,945 Speaker 2: on all things what culture Hollywood boyfriends are acting up? 23 00:01:24,345 --> 00:01:26,945 Speaker 2: Are we in the range of the beige influencers? And 24 00:01:26,985 --> 00:01:31,385 Speaker 2: a chit chat about our travels. I'm Maggie and I'm Jasmine. 25 00:01:30,825 --> 00:01:32,585 Speaker 1: And you're listening to Culture Club. 26 00:01:33,025 --> 00:01:35,145 Speaker 2: I thought today was going to be a regular in 27 00:01:35,185 --> 00:01:38,545 Speaker 2: her Bag fun, rummaging and whatnot. But then I asked 28 00:01:38,545 --> 00:01:42,065 Speaker 2: Maggie a question about what makes her feel most hurt 29 00:01:42,225 --> 00:01:45,305 Speaker 2: and it sparked a conversation about body neutrality and a 30 00:01:45,305 --> 00:01:48,665 Speaker 2: side of beauty that doesn't get nearly enough airtime mental health. 31 00:01:49,065 --> 00:01:51,425 Speaker 2: I actually got a bit teary in this chat. Maggie 32 00:01:51,465 --> 00:01:54,145 Speaker 2: is so wise and this was such a beautiful moment 33 00:01:54,185 --> 00:01:58,065 Speaker 2: to reflect about what beauty really means. Hey, Maggie, welcome 34 00:01:58,065 --> 00:01:58,865 Speaker 2: to in her Bag. 35 00:01:59,225 --> 00:02:01,785 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me, Lucy, I'm so excited. 36 00:02:01,945 --> 00:02:04,825 Speaker 2: Okay, Maggie, if you had to describe your makeup style 37 00:02:04,905 --> 00:02:06,385 Speaker 2: in three words, what would they be? 38 00:02:06,705 --> 00:02:12,105 Speaker 1: Disclaimer? They are quite boring? Can you just be truthful? Simple? 39 00:02:12,865 --> 00:02:16,505 Speaker 1: I'm fussed? Yeah, and glowy babes. 40 00:02:16,585 --> 00:02:20,025 Speaker 2: That's perfect. That sounds like what I like. How did 41 00:02:20,025 --> 00:02:21,065 Speaker 2: your love of beauty begin? 42 00:02:22,425 --> 00:02:25,425 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been an up and down relationship. I feel 43 00:02:25,465 --> 00:02:28,105 Speaker 1: like beauty has always been on the periphery of my interests. 44 00:02:28,105 --> 00:02:31,225 Speaker 1: It's never been like my core thing. I feel like 45 00:02:31,305 --> 00:02:34,905 Speaker 1: my first pivotal memories with it were definitely heading to 46 00:02:34,945 --> 00:02:40,345 Speaker 1: the local Westfield or shopping center with my friends after school, annoyingly, 47 00:02:40,465 --> 00:02:43,545 Speaker 1: probably going through some makeup stores and like trying a 48 00:02:43,585 --> 00:02:46,345 Speaker 1: little products as well as, you know, going to the 49 00:02:46,345 --> 00:02:51,185 Speaker 1: local diva on the earrings. That was kind of my 50 00:02:51,425 --> 00:02:54,505 Speaker 1: introduction to the beauty space, just because in my family, 51 00:02:54,625 --> 00:02:56,225 Speaker 1: I have an older sister, I have a mum, but 52 00:02:56,305 --> 00:02:58,545 Speaker 1: they weren't really interested in it. 53 00:02:59,145 --> 00:03:03,905 Speaker 2: You have a great love of fashion, which I just 54 00:03:04,105 --> 00:03:07,505 Speaker 2: am in awe of your outfits. Always when you're putting 55 00:03:07,545 --> 00:03:10,545 Speaker 2: something together, in your mind, how do those two things 56 00:03:10,585 --> 00:03:11,185 Speaker 2: come together? 57 00:03:12,105 --> 00:03:16,385 Speaker 1: I love that question. I've actually never thought about it explicitly. 58 00:03:16,505 --> 00:03:20,745 Speaker 1: I'm sure we casually think about how we're gonna pull 59 00:03:20,785 --> 00:03:23,905 Speaker 1: a look together that's head to toe, but I've never 60 00:03:24,025 --> 00:03:28,705 Speaker 1: thought explicitly about that. I think occasionally hair will play 61 00:03:28,705 --> 00:03:30,225 Speaker 1: into it. I'm like, if we can tire, there's something 62 00:03:30,545 --> 00:03:33,385 Speaker 1: slick this back that will suit the look. Maybe it's 63 00:03:33,425 --> 00:03:35,825 Speaker 1: about like a lip color or like, oh, I want 64 00:03:35,825 --> 00:03:38,745 Speaker 1: an eyeshadow moment with this look. But to be honest, 65 00:03:38,785 --> 00:03:41,665 Speaker 1: a lot of the time it doesn't play a massive part. 66 00:03:41,785 --> 00:03:43,665 Speaker 1: It's almost like a secondary thing for me. 67 00:03:44,025 --> 00:03:47,145 Speaker 2: I love that. Okay, now let's get into the makeup. Yes, 68 00:03:47,185 --> 00:03:49,625 Speaker 2: talk me through primer. What kind of primer do you 69 00:03:49,665 --> 00:03:53,385 Speaker 2: go for? Do you like hydrating, a glowy ATTACKI base. 70 00:03:54,025 --> 00:03:57,865 Speaker 1: Almost all the above. I'm like, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. 71 00:03:58,345 --> 00:04:03,225 Speaker 1: I love one that is slightly color correcting, one that 72 00:04:03,665 --> 00:04:06,665 Speaker 1: works well with the previous skincare and all the beauty 73 00:04:06,665 --> 00:04:09,665 Speaker 1: products that are to follow. My favorite one would be 74 00:04:09,865 --> 00:04:14,385 Speaker 1: Steelers one step correct color correcting primer. I saw this 75 00:04:14,505 --> 00:04:18,105 Speaker 1: because it was one of Mecher's election finalists or winners, 76 00:04:18,145 --> 00:04:22,145 Speaker 1: and I was like, I trust the masses and I 77 00:04:22,185 --> 00:04:22,905 Speaker 1: am loving it. 78 00:04:22,985 --> 00:04:24,945 Speaker 2: And is that the one that looks like DNA? 79 00:04:25,265 --> 00:04:27,265 Speaker 1: Yes, it's very satisfying. 80 00:04:27,545 --> 00:04:31,425 Speaker 2: And it's like half green and half like a peachy color. 81 00:04:31,465 --> 00:04:31,945 Speaker 2: Is that right? 82 00:04:32,145 --> 00:04:32,505 Speaker 1: Yeah? 83 00:04:32,745 --> 00:04:35,385 Speaker 2: And then foundation? Do you wear foundation every day? Is 84 00:04:35,425 --> 00:04:38,585 Speaker 2: it more for events? What is your foundation vibe? 85 00:04:39,105 --> 00:04:42,425 Speaker 1: Not every day? I feel like I am someone who 86 00:04:42,545 --> 00:04:46,945 Speaker 1: is very cautious. I think about my relationship with makeup 87 00:04:46,985 --> 00:04:48,985 Speaker 1: and beauty and I always want it to be like 88 00:04:49,025 --> 00:04:51,505 Speaker 1: a nice we're good friends. It's not like a controlling 89 00:04:51,545 --> 00:04:54,425 Speaker 1: relationship where I feel like I have to wear makeup 90 00:04:54,905 --> 00:04:55,585 Speaker 1: most days. 91 00:04:56,305 --> 00:04:58,345 Speaker 2: So I love that explanation. That's great. 92 00:04:58,465 --> 00:05:02,945 Speaker 1: Yeah, And sometimes I mean skinny is finicky. Our relationship 93 00:05:02,945 --> 00:05:05,945 Speaker 1: to skin and ourselves is finicky. So sometimes I do 94 00:05:05,985 --> 00:05:09,985 Speaker 1: find myself going through periods where I feel like I'm 95 00:05:10,025 --> 00:05:12,705 Speaker 1: extra alliance on makeup, and if I'm up to where 96 00:05:12,745 --> 00:05:15,745 Speaker 1: I really try to counter those feelings by being like, Okay, 97 00:05:16,065 --> 00:05:18,985 Speaker 1: no makeup, then let's go out without any makeup. Let's 98 00:05:19,025 --> 00:05:22,225 Speaker 1: see how we feel. I always want to feel comfortable 99 00:05:23,065 --> 00:05:25,785 Speaker 1: bare faced, but that can be a challenge when you 100 00:05:25,785 --> 00:05:28,785 Speaker 1: get you see yourself in makeup. Hey, that being said, 101 00:05:29,465 --> 00:05:34,385 Speaker 1: I do love me some foundations. My number one go 102 00:05:34,465 --> 00:05:37,345 Speaker 1: to is very much a classic. It is the Na's 103 00:05:37,505 --> 00:05:43,185 Speaker 1: Sheer Glow Foundation. Repurchased it maybe like three times or something. 104 00:05:44,225 --> 00:05:46,265 Speaker 1: I constantly go back to that one. 105 00:05:46,305 --> 00:05:49,625 Speaker 2: It actually won IU Beauty Awards for Best Foundation this year. 106 00:05:49,585 --> 00:05:54,185 Speaker 1: So the masses have spoken, what do you love about it? 107 00:05:54,345 --> 00:05:58,545 Speaker 1: I love the texture, the weight, like the thickness of it. 108 00:05:58,545 --> 00:06:02,065 Speaker 1: It's sheer, but it's buildable and it provides a good 109 00:06:02,105 --> 00:06:04,265 Speaker 1: amount of coverage for me, I feel like a lot 110 00:06:04,305 --> 00:06:08,025 Speaker 1: of them, even more sheer ones don't really work for 111 00:06:08,105 --> 00:06:10,945 Speaker 1: my skin. I've got bit of a carbon pigmentation like 112 00:06:11,025 --> 00:06:14,585 Speaker 1: acne and acne marks and all sorts of things, which 113 00:06:14,625 --> 00:06:16,945 Speaker 1: is very normal, but I just feel like this like 114 00:06:17,305 --> 00:06:19,465 Speaker 1: meets my skin where it's at. I love the jewey 115 00:06:19,505 --> 00:06:20,225 Speaker 1: finish as well. 116 00:06:20,425 --> 00:06:24,385 Speaker 2: Beautiful. Okay, talk me through what you use on your cheeks. 117 00:06:24,425 --> 00:06:26,705 Speaker 2: Do you like blush, you like bronza, do you like highlight? 118 00:06:26,745 --> 00:06:27,425 Speaker 2: Do you like it all? 119 00:06:27,785 --> 00:06:32,025 Speaker 1: I love blush. I'm so glad we had that massive 120 00:06:32,185 --> 00:06:35,585 Speaker 1: blush resurgence in the last couple of years. My goodness, 121 00:06:35,625 --> 00:06:38,105 Speaker 1: because I used to never touch it, but now it's 122 00:06:38,145 --> 00:06:40,905 Speaker 1: my favorite part of my routine. I always find it 123 00:06:40,985 --> 00:06:43,345 Speaker 1: like such a fun thing to have on. I love 124 00:06:43,385 --> 00:06:46,905 Speaker 1: the look of rosy cheeks. I love the colors, so 125 00:06:47,185 --> 00:06:50,505 Speaker 1: that's my go to. I occasionally do use bronza and 126 00:06:50,985 --> 00:06:53,865 Speaker 1: highlighter when I'm going for more of a gland up look, 127 00:06:53,945 --> 00:06:57,625 Speaker 1: but not for every day. And my favorite blush is 128 00:06:57,665 --> 00:06:59,385 Speaker 1: my Ilia multi stick. 129 00:06:59,625 --> 00:07:01,345 Speaker 2: And what kind of shade do you go for? 130 00:07:01,825 --> 00:07:05,025 Speaker 1: It's pinky and it's a little bit on the darker side, 131 00:07:05,345 --> 00:07:09,585 Speaker 1: but like rosy rosy. I like that like a lighter rose, 132 00:07:09,785 --> 00:07:13,145 Speaker 1: but still leaning towards the rose. And I just love 133 00:07:13,185 --> 00:07:23,465 Speaker 1: a cream. I love a cream blush. 134 00:07:23,505 --> 00:07:25,585 Speaker 2: What is your relationship like with your eyebrows? 135 00:07:25,825 --> 00:07:28,585 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I wonder if there are any other 136 00:07:28,785 --> 00:07:32,505 Speaker 1: East Asian girls listening to this, or maybe it's just 137 00:07:32,545 --> 00:07:35,745 Speaker 1: like my family thing. But a lot of people in 138 00:07:35,785 --> 00:07:38,705 Speaker 1: my family have super sparse brows, Like the second half 139 00:07:38,745 --> 00:07:41,985 Speaker 1: of our eyebrows near the tail end is like nonexistent 140 00:07:42,425 --> 00:07:46,425 Speaker 1: and it's lacking a shape. So I've had a big 141 00:07:47,385 --> 00:07:49,265 Speaker 1: love hate relationship with my brows. 142 00:07:49,385 --> 00:07:52,305 Speaker 2: What products have you found that really make you feel 143 00:07:52,385 --> 00:07:52,985 Speaker 2: most confident. 144 00:07:53,025 --> 00:07:54,825 Speaker 1: There's a few that I like. To be honest, I 145 00:07:54,985 --> 00:07:58,745 Speaker 1: dabble in a different brow pencil products. I'm not too 146 00:07:58,825 --> 00:08:02,305 Speaker 1: precious about them. The latest one in my collection that 147 00:08:02,345 --> 00:08:05,825 Speaker 1: I've been reaching for a lot was actually purchased when 148 00:08:05,865 --> 00:08:09,025 Speaker 1: I was in China back in October last year. I 149 00:08:09,065 --> 00:08:11,305 Speaker 1: definitely want to lean more into like the Asian beauty 150 00:08:11,305 --> 00:08:14,905 Speaker 1: space for brows, because they get it. This one, randomly 151 00:08:15,025 --> 00:08:18,145 Speaker 1: was from minnesot which is, like in Australia, mainly known 152 00:08:18,185 --> 00:08:21,185 Speaker 1: for its like toys. I don't even know if they 153 00:08:21,185 --> 00:08:24,745 Speaker 1: have beauty here, but it's just a simple eyebrow pencil. 154 00:08:24,745 --> 00:08:27,865 Speaker 1: It's quite thin, it's quite like a chic gold Oh 155 00:08:27,945 --> 00:08:30,545 Speaker 1: god one, it kind of looks like hour glass e 156 00:08:31,225 --> 00:08:35,425 Speaker 1: But I'm loving that. And randomly, a little while ago, 157 00:08:35,465 --> 00:08:39,665 Speaker 1: I got sent a pr package from the quick Flick 158 00:08:39,745 --> 00:08:42,985 Speaker 1: and it's a two in one brow sculpting lamination gel 159 00:08:43,745 --> 00:08:46,185 Speaker 1: and I tried it and I really love it. It's 160 00:08:46,265 --> 00:08:49,545 Speaker 1: really sturdy brow gel. I've also got the kosest one, 161 00:08:49,585 --> 00:08:52,385 Speaker 1: but a lot of the time it doesn't really hold 162 00:08:52,465 --> 00:08:55,225 Speaker 1: as much as I want. So this is a great one. 163 00:08:55,305 --> 00:08:57,185 Speaker 1: If I'm out all day or going out at. 164 00:08:57,105 --> 00:08:59,105 Speaker 2: Night, We're locking them in place. We're locking them down. 165 00:09:01,025 --> 00:09:03,105 Speaker 2: And then with your eyes, what do you tend to do? 166 00:09:03,105 --> 00:09:05,225 Speaker 2: Do you like an eyeshadow? Do you like a liner? 167 00:09:05,385 --> 00:09:06,985 Speaker 2: Do you use mascara? Talking through it? 168 00:09:07,105 --> 00:09:11,225 Speaker 1: I recently realized I forgot at the existence of eyeshadow 169 00:09:12,945 --> 00:09:16,865 Speaker 1: on an more everyday level. I do enjoy a Mscara 170 00:09:17,065 --> 00:09:20,145 Speaker 1: and I have to use an eyelash color as well. 171 00:09:20,265 --> 00:09:23,665 Speaker 1: It is the necessity. My favorite mescara that I have 172 00:09:23,785 --> 00:09:27,345 Speaker 1: re purchased a couple times. It's a bit of a splurge, 173 00:09:27,385 --> 00:09:31,265 Speaker 1: but love it. It's the hour glass unlocked mascara. It's 174 00:09:31,305 --> 00:09:34,265 Speaker 1: got a beautiful tubing effect. But my favorite thing is 175 00:09:34,305 --> 00:09:36,785 Speaker 1: that it's just so easy to remove in the shower. 176 00:09:37,065 --> 00:09:40,385 Speaker 1: It like libert of water, just flicks off. Oh I 177 00:09:40,585 --> 00:09:43,585 Speaker 1: cannot do a waterproof for scara unfortunately. 178 00:09:43,905 --> 00:09:46,585 Speaker 2: Talk to me about lips. Do you like lipstick, loss, balm? 179 00:09:46,625 --> 00:09:47,305 Speaker 2: What's your vibe? 180 00:09:47,345 --> 00:09:50,305 Speaker 1: I was talking to some of my friends semi recently 181 00:09:50,345 --> 00:09:51,905 Speaker 1: and we were talking about how we used to be 182 00:09:51,985 --> 00:09:56,865 Speaker 1: so scared of lipsticks right like they were. Lip products 183 00:09:56,865 --> 00:10:01,505 Speaker 1: are now so important to me and I don't have 184 00:10:02,065 --> 00:10:05,225 Speaker 1: particular favorites. I really like going through periods of time 185 00:10:05,225 --> 00:10:07,945 Speaker 1: where I'm like fixated on one, move on to another, 186 00:10:08,345 --> 00:10:11,985 Speaker 1: and we keep going like that. Currently, I would say 187 00:10:12,145 --> 00:10:16,825 Speaker 1: a favorite of mine it is a violet Effer Bizoo Barmb, 188 00:10:17,145 --> 00:10:20,345 Speaker 1: which is a French beauty brand. But this is a 189 00:10:20,425 --> 00:10:26,145 Speaker 1: beautiful lip product because it's mattifying, it's blurring, but mattifying 190 00:10:26,185 --> 00:10:29,745 Speaker 1: without being drying. I would say it's it's really comfortably 191 00:10:29,785 --> 00:10:32,425 Speaker 1: on the lips. The color I have, I've actually got 192 00:10:32,425 --> 00:10:36,945 Speaker 1: it in my little person. Yeah, it is Batisse, which 193 00:10:37,065 --> 00:10:41,305 Speaker 1: is a beautiful darker pinky brown. Love that beautiful? 194 00:10:41,705 --> 00:10:43,785 Speaker 2: And then are you a powder person. Do you like 195 00:10:43,865 --> 00:10:46,305 Speaker 2: setting spray? How do you keep your makeup on? 196 00:10:46,705 --> 00:10:52,425 Speaker 1: Oh? I rarely remember to use my setting products, but 197 00:10:52,585 --> 00:10:55,305 Speaker 1: when I do, I do go for the all nider 198 00:10:55,985 --> 00:11:00,665 Speaker 1: urban decay spray. Powder still scares me. I'm someone who 199 00:11:00,705 --> 00:11:04,585 Speaker 1: wears makeup for everyday occasions. I haven't spent too much 200 00:11:04,625 --> 00:11:08,945 Speaker 1: time like refining, so powder is in the too hard 201 00:11:08,985 --> 00:11:09,665 Speaker 1: basket for now. 202 00:11:09,905 --> 00:11:12,145 Speaker 2: But I feel like your approach to beauty is what 203 00:11:12,305 --> 00:11:14,305 Speaker 2: so many people listening to this show their approach to 204 00:11:14,345 --> 00:11:16,865 Speaker 2: beauty will be. You know, like, you just want makeup 205 00:11:16,905 --> 00:11:18,665 Speaker 2: to be there when you want to feel a certain 206 00:11:18,705 --> 00:11:20,225 Speaker 2: way and you want to be able to express that, 207 00:11:20,785 --> 00:11:23,425 Speaker 2: And it doesn't have to be a routine that you 208 00:11:23,425 --> 00:11:25,825 Speaker 2: follow every single day. You can play with it. I 209 00:11:25,825 --> 00:11:28,785 Speaker 2: feel like beauty for you is something that you really 210 00:11:28,825 --> 00:11:33,065 Speaker 2: move through as your feeling, and you explore different seasons 211 00:11:33,145 --> 00:11:36,905 Speaker 2: through beauty and fashion and hair. When do you feel 212 00:11:37,345 --> 00:11:38,945 Speaker 2: most you? Most beautiful? 213 00:11:39,225 --> 00:11:41,545 Speaker 1: Wow? Oh? Do you know what's really interesting? When you 214 00:11:41,585 --> 00:11:44,265 Speaker 1: said when do you feel the most you? And then 215 00:11:44,265 --> 00:11:46,865 Speaker 1: you said the most beautiful? For me, they're almost separate, 216 00:11:46,985 --> 00:11:48,505 Speaker 1: like they don't really touch each other. 217 00:11:48,745 --> 00:11:49,705 Speaker 2: Talk to me about that. 218 00:11:50,425 --> 00:11:54,785 Speaker 1: I am someone who really really really tries to embrace 219 00:11:54,945 --> 00:11:58,745 Speaker 1: body and skin neutrality throughout my life. And for those 220 00:11:58,785 --> 00:12:01,745 Speaker 1: who might not have heard the concept, it's just about 221 00:12:02,585 --> 00:12:08,505 Speaker 1: treating your body and your skin as something that serves you, 222 00:12:08,865 --> 00:12:11,785 Speaker 1: as opposed to body positivity, which is also a concept 223 00:12:11,865 --> 00:12:15,625 Speaker 1: I resonate with, and like it's more about putting less 224 00:12:15,745 --> 00:12:19,505 Speaker 1: emphasis on the value that our appearances have on us 225 00:12:19,545 --> 00:12:21,905 Speaker 1: and more looking at the function I guess that our 226 00:12:21,945 --> 00:12:25,705 Speaker 1: body has, and I really like it. I don't know 227 00:12:26,305 --> 00:12:28,945 Speaker 1: what concoction that made me get to this point, but 228 00:12:28,945 --> 00:12:32,425 Speaker 1: I'm very lucky that I grew up having a really 229 00:12:32,465 --> 00:12:36,625 Speaker 1: good sense of like body image and relationship with myself 230 00:12:36,665 --> 00:12:39,065 Speaker 1: in that way. Me and my sister talk about it 231 00:12:39,065 --> 00:12:41,305 Speaker 1: sometimes because we're like, oh, we're really lucky that we 232 00:12:41,385 --> 00:12:43,625 Speaker 1: grew up like this and we hold these views of 233 00:12:43,665 --> 00:12:47,225 Speaker 1: ourselves because we know that is an anomaly, because being 234 00:12:47,225 --> 00:12:48,585 Speaker 1: a woman in this od is hard. 235 00:12:48,905 --> 00:12:51,905 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. How does that kind of neutrality 236 00:12:51,905 --> 00:12:53,865 Speaker 2: present to you, maybe on a day where you're not 237 00:12:53,985 --> 00:12:55,265 Speaker 2: feeling as confident. 238 00:12:55,505 --> 00:12:58,825 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. I mean I think it adds to this. 239 00:12:58,945 --> 00:13:01,945 Speaker 1: But for the last maybe three years, almost unintentionally, but 240 00:13:01,985 --> 00:13:05,625 Speaker 1: I don't have mirrors in my room yeah, and I think, 241 00:13:06,825 --> 00:13:10,345 Speaker 1: you know, waking up, I don't see myself for a while, 242 00:13:10,465 --> 00:13:12,345 Speaker 1: I guess until I go to the bathroom. But it's 243 00:13:12,345 --> 00:13:15,705 Speaker 1: not the first thing I look at is my physical appearance. 244 00:13:15,705 --> 00:13:17,625 Speaker 1: It's more about how I feel or, like you know, 245 00:13:18,065 --> 00:13:21,105 Speaker 1: my thoughts of the day, and I think structuring it 246 00:13:21,145 --> 00:13:24,585 Speaker 1: in that way has helped. But on bad days, which 247 00:13:24,625 --> 00:13:27,945 Speaker 1: is what you're kind of asking, I'm like my biggest advocate. 248 00:13:28,385 --> 00:13:30,865 Speaker 1: You want to rest, babe, let's rest. I love that. 249 00:13:31,825 --> 00:13:37,825 Speaker 1: I am definitely someone who enjoys being soft with myself 250 00:13:37,945 --> 00:13:40,825 Speaker 1: is probably a way of putting it. So I have 251 00:13:41,025 --> 00:13:44,785 Speaker 1: a lot of This word has not often the best connotation, 252 00:13:44,905 --> 00:13:46,825 Speaker 1: but for myself, I would say it's a positive. But 253 00:13:46,985 --> 00:13:50,505 Speaker 1: I have a lot of comfort eat. Potentially it's clothes 254 00:13:50,545 --> 00:13:53,385 Speaker 1: that I feel really comfortable in that are aware and 255 00:13:53,425 --> 00:13:56,825 Speaker 1: maybe it is about being gentler on myself around my 256 00:13:56,905 --> 00:13:58,945 Speaker 1: t do list for that day, if that's possible. 257 00:13:59,265 --> 00:14:04,105 Speaker 2: We often talk about kind of beauty and products on here, 258 00:14:04,105 --> 00:14:07,665 Speaker 2: but it's really nice to speak Lusia. Thank you so 259 00:14:07,745 --> 00:14:11,305 Speaker 2: much for sharing about how you is not always tied 260 00:14:11,345 --> 00:14:14,385 Speaker 2: to you feeling the most you, and how it's something 261 00:14:14,425 --> 00:14:19,225 Speaker 2: that you enjoy experimenting with and exploring and expressing with, 262 00:14:19,345 --> 00:14:23,745 Speaker 2: but not necessarily the most important fundamental thing about identity 263 00:14:23,785 --> 00:14:24,425 Speaker 2: for you. Thank you? 264 00:14:24,825 --> 00:14:28,985 Speaker 1: Oh, of course a pleasure is mine. 265 00:14:37,225 --> 00:14:43,425 Speaker 2: What you makeup hacks? Okay, one last beauty question. I promise, 266 00:14:44,625 --> 00:14:48,265 Speaker 2: what is the best makeup hack beauty tip trick that 267 00:14:48,305 --> 00:14:50,025 Speaker 2: you've learned in your career so far? You've been in 268 00:14:50,065 --> 00:14:53,025 Speaker 2: some makeup artist chairs, you've been on some sets, tell 269 00:14:53,105 --> 00:14:53,545 Speaker 2: us a hack. 270 00:14:53,825 --> 00:14:57,225 Speaker 1: The hack I'm bringing to you today is not from 271 00:14:57,265 --> 00:15:01,465 Speaker 1: a makeup artist. It is from a chef. And they 272 00:15:01,505 --> 00:15:03,665 Speaker 1: were talking about cooking, but I'm like, you know what 273 00:15:03,785 --> 00:15:07,985 Speaker 1: it applies. Recently, I was at a talk. There was 274 00:15:08,105 --> 00:15:12,025 Speaker 1: some incredible authors cooks up on the panel and this 275 00:15:12,225 --> 00:15:15,865 Speaker 1: one the name is Belinda Jeffrey. She's written quite a 276 00:15:15,865 --> 00:15:19,865 Speaker 1: few incredible cookbooks. She was talking about and again this 277 00:15:20,065 --> 00:15:22,425 Speaker 1: was about cooking, but she was like, we all need 278 00:15:22,465 --> 00:15:24,145 Speaker 1: to be using our hands more. We need to be 279 00:15:24,305 --> 00:15:27,985 Speaker 1: trusting ourselves more, like get in there, like touch what 280 00:15:27,985 --> 00:15:31,745 Speaker 1: you're creating, and that will help you feel more connected 281 00:15:31,905 --> 00:15:34,545 Speaker 1: with the food you're making. Right, And I'm like, you 282 00:15:34,585 --> 00:15:38,465 Speaker 1: know what so true about makeup as well. I think 283 00:15:38,745 --> 00:15:43,225 Speaker 1: we should trust I guess our intuition and our digits more. 284 00:15:43,865 --> 00:15:48,145 Speaker 1: I really enjoy, you know, putting on makeup with my fingers, 285 00:15:48,145 --> 00:15:51,065 Speaker 1: whether that might be like an eyeshadow moment or the 286 00:15:51,065 --> 00:15:54,065 Speaker 1: blush that we spoke of before. I also love the 287 00:15:54,105 --> 00:15:56,945 Speaker 1: idea of multi use products. I love, like, you know, 288 00:15:57,385 --> 00:16:00,585 Speaker 1: using a bit of lipstick on my cheeks or bringing 289 00:16:00,585 --> 00:16:02,825 Speaker 1: that color up to my eye, but like safely, so 290 00:16:02,905 --> 00:16:06,905 Speaker 1: we're not contaminating anything or whatever. Yeah, being playful with 291 00:16:06,985 --> 00:16:10,745 Speaker 1: our products. It's almost how child might approach. But that's 292 00:16:10,785 --> 00:16:11,785 Speaker 1: something that I really like. 293 00:16:12,025 --> 00:16:14,025 Speaker 2: Maggie, thank you so much for joining us today. This 294 00:16:14,185 --> 00:16:16,545 Speaker 2: was honestly such a treat and kind of like a 295 00:16:16,705 --> 00:16:18,105 Speaker 2: warm hug and a cup of tea. 296 00:16:18,145 --> 00:16:20,385 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Lucy, you are one of my favorite 297 00:16:20,385 --> 00:16:22,145 Speaker 1: people so anytime. 298 00:16:23,985 --> 00:16:26,905 Speaker 2: Thank you for tuning into in her Bag. I really 299 00:16:26,945 --> 00:16:29,545 Speaker 2: love this episode. I thought it was so special. Remember 300 00:16:29,585 --> 00:16:31,745 Speaker 2: you can sign up for free to receive our weekly 301 00:16:31,905 --> 00:16:34,705 Speaker 2: beauty newsletter and you'll get even more beauty news drops 302 00:16:34,745 --> 00:16:37,145 Speaker 2: straight into your inbox. 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