1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:13,334 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,134 --> 00:00:17,214 Speaker 2: Mumma Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,254 --> 00:00:24,534 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hi. I'm Claire Murphy. 4 00:00:24,574 --> 00:00:27,814 Speaker 2: This is Mumma MIA's twice daily news podcast, The Quickie. 5 00:00:28,694 --> 00:00:31,654 Speaker 2: This week we've seen Catherine, the Princess of Wales's return 6 00:00:31,694 --> 00:00:35,254 Speaker 2: to royal duties, the public hoping she's doing okay, seeing 7 00:00:35,254 --> 00:00:38,374 Speaker 2: as she's still in recovery from cancer treatment, but also 8 00:00:38,414 --> 00:00:42,094 Speaker 2: forgetting that just the week before, the royals financial affairs 9 00:00:42,174 --> 00:00:45,454 Speaker 2: were splashed across the tabloids like so much dirty laundry. 10 00:00:46,214 --> 00:00:48,614 Speaker 2: Today we find out why the royal coffers are under 11 00:00:48,654 --> 00:00:51,454 Speaker 2: so much scrutiny and why we should care about it. 12 00:00:51,814 --> 00:00:54,454 Speaker 2: But first, here's the latest from the Quickie newsroom. Thursday 13 00:00:54,494 --> 00:00:57,734 Speaker 2: November fourteen, Donald Trump has met with Joe Biden at 14 00:00:57,734 --> 00:01:01,134 Speaker 2: the White House, promising a smooth and peaceful transition of power. 15 00:01:01,454 --> 00:01:03,814 Speaker 2: Trump and Biden sat side by side in front of 16 00:01:03,854 --> 00:01:07,654 Speaker 2: the fireplace, the bitter political rivals putting their differences aside 17 00:01:07,654 --> 00:01:09,494 Speaker 2: to thank each other for the polite trends. 18 00:01:10,134 --> 00:01:14,574 Speaker 3: Thank you very much. And politics is tough, and it's 19 00:01:15,574 --> 00:01:18,534 Speaker 3: many cases not a very nice world. But It is 20 00:01:18,574 --> 00:01:22,134 Speaker 3: a nice world today, and I appreciate a transition that's 21 00:01:22,174 --> 00:01:24,934 Speaker 3: so smooth. It'll be as smooth as it can get. 22 00:01:25,134 --> 00:01:27,894 Speaker 3: And I very much appreciate, don't you you are? 23 00:01:28,094 --> 00:01:30,494 Speaker 2: The scene was vastly different to four years ago, when 24 00:01:30,534 --> 00:01:34,094 Speaker 2: Trump was defeated by Biden. Trump making claims of widespread 25 00:01:34,134 --> 00:01:37,894 Speaker 2: fraud in the twenty twenty election, claims that were repeatedly debunked, 26 00:01:38,054 --> 00:01:41,214 Speaker 2: refusing to meet with Biden after his win. Earlier in 27 00:01:41,254 --> 00:01:43,734 Speaker 2: the day, Trump had taken a call from Indonesian President 28 00:01:43,774 --> 00:01:47,214 Speaker 2: Proboo Subianto, who's in the US, to meet with President Biden, 29 00:01:47,494 --> 00:01:51,014 Speaker 2: where after the Indonesian leader congratulated him on his election win, 30 00:01:51,334 --> 00:01:54,734 Speaker 2: Trump told him his English was very good. It's been 31 00:01:54,774 --> 00:01:57,374 Speaker 2: revealed that another region on New South Miles Hospital has 32 00:01:57,414 --> 00:02:00,774 Speaker 2: stopped providing pregnancy terminations, with a woman turned away from 33 00:02:00,774 --> 00:02:03,854 Speaker 2: the building the day of her planned procedure. While Queen 34 00:02:03,894 --> 00:02:06,374 Speaker 2: Bee and hospital had not made their position on providing 35 00:02:06,414 --> 00:02:10,614 Speaker 2: the service clear publicly. An ABC investigation uncovered an email 36 00:02:10,694 --> 00:02:14,654 Speaker 2: to health practitioners external to the hospital who'd sought clarification 37 00:02:14,774 --> 00:02:17,574 Speaker 2: on the matter, stating that it's been identified that this 38 00:02:17,654 --> 00:02:21,174 Speaker 2: procedure has been performed whilst there's been no supporting framework 39 00:02:21,214 --> 00:02:24,014 Speaker 2: within the hospital. As such, the district is now looking 40 00:02:24,054 --> 00:02:26,694 Speaker 2: at what this might look like moving forward, and until 41 00:02:26,734 --> 00:02:29,934 Speaker 2: such time, this procedure does not currently sit within queenban 42 00:02:30,014 --> 00:02:33,974 Speaker 2: Hospital's delineation. The revelation comes just weeks after a similar 43 00:02:34,014 --> 00:02:37,254 Speaker 2: situation was revealed at Orange Hospital, the new South Wales 44 00:02:37,294 --> 00:02:40,694 Speaker 2: Health Minister stepping into assure residence that this service would 45 00:02:40,774 --> 00:02:43,334 Speaker 2: still be available. There are now calls for the Minister 46 00:02:43,454 --> 00:02:45,894 Speaker 2: to again step in and ensure women have access to 47 00:02:45,974 --> 00:02:49,814 Speaker 2: appropriate healthcare in the Queen Beean region too. A federal 48 00:02:49,854 --> 00:02:53,254 Speaker 2: government proposal would see social media platforms legally bound to 49 00:02:53,294 --> 00:02:55,654 Speaker 2: provide a duty of care to its users to protect 50 00:02:55,694 --> 00:02:59,774 Speaker 2: them from harm. Communications Minister Michelle Rowland announced the proposal, 51 00:03:00,054 --> 00:03:02,574 Speaker 2: saying a duty of care is a common law concept 52 00:03:02,614 --> 00:03:06,494 Speaker 2: and statutory obligation that places a legal obligation to take 53 00:03:06,574 --> 00:03:09,734 Speaker 2: reasonable steps to protect others from harm. She said was 54 00:03:09,774 --> 00:03:12,614 Speaker 2: a proven, workable, flexible model and part of a growing 55 00:03:12,614 --> 00:03:16,374 Speaker 2: global effort to make online services healthier and safer. Digital 56 00:03:16,454 --> 00:03:19,014 Speaker 2: duty of care was a key recommendation of a review 57 00:03:19,054 --> 00:03:21,974 Speaker 2: of the Online Safety Act handed to the government in October. 58 00:03:22,294 --> 00:03:25,054 Speaker 2: The proposal would bring Australia in line with approaches set 59 00:03:25,094 --> 00:03:28,294 Speaker 2: in the UK and Europe, meaning sites such as Facebook, 60 00:03:28,494 --> 00:03:31,734 Speaker 2: X and Instagram would have proactive obligations to keep their 61 00:03:31,854 --> 00:03:36,374 Speaker 2: users safe. Adelaide couple fran Diazrafino and her husband Bruno 62 00:03:36,534 --> 00:03:39,974 Speaker 2: had an interesting visitor, finding an iconic ossie animal in 63 00:03:40,014 --> 00:03:43,294 Speaker 2: their bed after arriving home yesterday. The couple, who live 64 00:03:43,334 --> 00:03:46,574 Speaker 2: in Roslind Park just east of the Adelaide CBD, suspect 65 00:03:46,574 --> 00:03:49,134 Speaker 2: the koala snuck in through their dog door while they 66 00:03:49,174 --> 00:03:51,894 Speaker 2: were out, finding it in the bedroom on arriving home 67 00:03:51,974 --> 00:03:54,814 Speaker 2: just after midnight. Mister a Fino, who housed from Brazil, 68 00:03:54,854 --> 00:03:58,054 Speaker 2: immediately reverted to speaking Portuguese as she tried to inform 69 00:03:58,094 --> 00:04:01,214 Speaker 2: her husband what she'd discovered. He, afraid it was a spider, 70 00:04:01,254 --> 00:04:04,374 Speaker 2: rushed in only to find the furry creature. Instead, they 71 00:04:04,414 --> 00:04:06,374 Speaker 2: put their dog away and managed to usher it out 72 00:04:06,414 --> 00:04:09,214 Speaker 2: the back door, where it climbed a tree. Koala rescue 73 00:04:09,214 --> 00:04:11,334 Speaker 2: groups warning people not to try and pick up a 74 00:04:11,414 --> 00:04:14,094 Speaker 2: koala if they do come across one, saying you should 75 00:04:14,134 --> 00:04:17,374 Speaker 2: instead call an expert straight away and keep your distance 76 00:04:17,654 --> 00:04:20,174 Speaker 2: because while they are cute and cuddly, they can still 77 00:04:20,214 --> 00:04:23,174 Speaker 2: do some major damage with those sharp claws when they're stressed. 78 00:04:23,454 --> 00:04:25,374 Speaker 2: That's what's going on in the world today. Next, we 79 00:04:25,454 --> 00:04:28,614 Speaker 2: catch up with Royal correspondent Rebel Wiley to find out 80 00:04:28,654 --> 00:04:31,654 Speaker 2: what dastardly deals are going on behind the Royal bank 81 00:04:31,654 --> 00:04:35,174 Speaker 2: accounts and why the vast estates they control should never 82 00:04:35,214 --> 00:04:45,814 Speaker 2: have been theirs in the first place. The headlines around 83 00:04:45,854 --> 00:04:48,654 Speaker 2: the British Royal family this week range from one stating 84 00:04:49,014 --> 00:04:53,654 Speaker 2: dramatic Kate photos hide major shift to Cate Middleton, which 85 00:04:53,694 --> 00:04:56,294 Speaker 2: is actually not her name anymore, but Americans wrote that 86 00:04:56,334 --> 00:04:59,934 Speaker 2: one poignantly Honor's late mother in law, Princess Diana two 87 00:04:59,974 --> 00:05:02,894 Speaker 2: days in a row at remembrance events, and another Prince 88 00:05:02,934 --> 00:05:05,854 Speaker 2: William and Princess Kate have been spending special time together 89 00:05:05,854 --> 00:05:09,254 Speaker 2: in Scotland. But scroll back a week and the headlines 90 00:05:09,254 --> 00:05:10,574 Speaker 2: looked very different. 91 00:05:11,214 --> 00:05:16,014 Speaker 1: New documentary sparks controversy over King Charles and Prince William's money. 92 00:05:16,454 --> 00:05:21,614 Speaker 1: Royal family's extensive real estate earnings Laid Bare investigation exposes 93 00:05:21,694 --> 00:05:25,534 Speaker 1: King Charles and Prince William's estates, raking in millions from 94 00:05:25,694 --> 00:05:27,294 Speaker 1: charities and public service. 95 00:05:28,094 --> 00:05:31,134 Speaker 2: A series of investigations and a documentary has seen the 96 00:05:31,134 --> 00:05:35,454 Speaker 2: British royal family face fresh scrutiny over its finances. It's 97 00:05:35,494 --> 00:05:38,174 Speaker 2: been revealed that combined, the King and the Prince of 98 00:05:38,214 --> 00:05:42,174 Speaker 2: Wales are raking in nearly fifty million pounds each financial year. 99 00:05:42,694 --> 00:05:46,334 Speaker 2: But where does that staggering some originate. The primary income 100 00:05:46,374 --> 00:05:48,534 Speaker 2: stream for the monarchy can be summed up in just 101 00:05:48,774 --> 00:05:55,534 Speaker 2: four words, the Duchy of Cornwall. The Duchy of Cornwall 102 00:05:55,614 --> 00:05:57,534 Speaker 2: was set up by Edward the Third all the way 103 00:05:57,534 --> 00:06:01,134 Speaker 2: back in thirteen thirty seven. It aimed to provide independence 104 00:06:01,174 --> 00:06:03,774 Speaker 2: to his son and heir, Prince Edward, and since then 105 00:06:03,854 --> 00:06:06,694 Speaker 2: the rule state that every future Duke of Cornwall, the 106 00:06:06,854 --> 00:06:09,694 Speaker 2: eldest surviving son of the monarch and heir to the throne, 107 00:06:09,814 --> 00:06:13,294 Speaker 2: will control it. Prince William is now the twenty fifth 108 00:06:13,374 --> 00:06:16,134 Speaker 2: Duke of Cornwall as well as being the Prince of Wales, 109 00:06:16,374 --> 00:06:19,134 Speaker 2: and the revenue from this private estate funds the public 110 00:06:19,214 --> 00:06:22,974 Speaker 2: and private lives of William, Catherine and their children. It 111 00:06:23,054 --> 00:06:26,894 Speaker 2: spans a geographical area of fifty two thousand, two hundred 112 00:06:26,934 --> 00:06:30,694 Speaker 2: and sixty four hectares of land across twenty counties, mostly 113 00:06:30,734 --> 00:06:34,054 Speaker 2: in the southwest of England. It includes farms, residential and 114 00:06:34,094 --> 00:06:38,574 Speaker 2: commercial properties. Forests, rivers and quarries. It employs more than 115 00:06:38,614 --> 00:06:41,534 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty people who work across seven offices, 116 00:06:41,734 --> 00:06:44,094 Speaker 2: and include a few of the Dutchy's own businesses, like 117 00:06:44,174 --> 00:06:48,294 Speaker 2: the Duchy Nursery and the Duchy Holiday Cottages. His Majesty 118 00:06:48,294 --> 00:06:51,374 Speaker 2: the King is also the Duke of Lancaster, overseeing in 119 00:06:51,414 --> 00:06:54,014 Speaker 2: a state of forty four thousand, seven hundred and forty 120 00:06:54,014 --> 00:06:57,334 Speaker 2: eight acres of land in England and Wales. It also 121 00:06:57,374 --> 00:07:01,534 Speaker 2: has some commercial, agricultural and residential properties, and includes a 122 00:07:01,574 --> 00:07:06,214 Speaker 2: stretch of British coastline. It was created by Henry the 123 00:07:06,254 --> 00:07:08,654 Speaker 2: Third as a gift to his son Edmund in twelve 124 00:07:08,774 --> 00:07:12,134 Speaker 2: sixty five. The land was taken from various barons, and 125 00:07:12,374 --> 00:07:15,094 Speaker 2: as it passed down through birthright in marriage and the 126 00:07:15,174 --> 00:07:18,294 Speaker 2: upset of King Richard the Third confiscating it, Henry the 127 00:07:18,374 --> 00:07:21,654 Speaker 2: sixth in thirteen ninety nine would return from exile force 128 00:07:21,774 --> 00:07:24,934 Speaker 2: Richard to abdicate and take the Duchy of Lancaster back. 129 00:07:25,534 --> 00:07:28,614 Speaker 2: He then stipulated that the inheritance should be held separate 130 00:07:28,654 --> 00:07:32,054 Speaker 2: from all other crown possessions and only descend through the 131 00:07:32,054 --> 00:07:35,614 Speaker 2: monarchy as a private estate. Hundreds of years later, that 132 00:07:35,694 --> 00:07:38,854 Speaker 2: rule remains in place, although they only receive income and 133 00:07:38,894 --> 00:07:44,414 Speaker 2: not capital from it. Finally, there's a sovereign grant that's 134 00:07:44,454 --> 00:07:47,374 Speaker 2: a taxpayer funded income paid to the monarchy to be 135 00:07:47,454 --> 00:07:52,294 Speaker 2: used for official duties and palace upkeep. This complicated maze 136 00:07:52,334 --> 00:07:55,614 Speaker 2: of secretive financial privilege has seen Charles take home nearly 137 00:07:55,654 --> 00:07:58,894 Speaker 2: thirty million pounds and William Jeshai of twenty four million 138 00:07:58,974 --> 00:08:02,614 Speaker 2: this past financial year. While the monarchy has taken steps 139 00:08:02,654 --> 00:08:06,534 Speaker 2: to modernize itself, their finances remained something of a mystery, 140 00:08:06,654 --> 00:08:11,694 Speaker 2: wrapped in centuries of tradition, secrecy, and very little regulatory oversight. 141 00:08:12,574 --> 00:08:17,214 Speaker 2: Various parliamentary sessions have attempted to uncover details behind the cash, 142 00:08:17,294 --> 00:08:20,054 Speaker 2: but as journalists working to uncover the truth found out, 143 00:08:20,374 --> 00:08:23,054 Speaker 2: even they were unable to crack the royal finances. 144 00:08:23,334 --> 00:08:26,294 Speaker 3: Will you make us meet the information available about the 145 00:08:26,334 --> 00:08:29,734 Speaker 3: investments in order that the judgments can be made by you, 146 00:08:30,014 --> 00:08:32,934 Speaker 3: I and self parties about what is ethical and sustain. 147 00:08:32,734 --> 00:08:37,014 Speaker 1: And they didn't think this is an issue that is anna, 148 00:08:37,134 --> 00:08:39,454 Speaker 1: then it's relevant to this committee. Can we have a 149 00:08:39,494 --> 00:08:42,014 Speaker 1: report on the list of properties. 150 00:08:41,614 --> 00:08:42,574 Speaker 3: A dent why? 151 00:08:44,374 --> 00:08:48,334 Speaker 2: A recent documentary from Britain's Channel four dispatches program saw 152 00:08:48,334 --> 00:08:51,374 Speaker 2: them expose exactly where some of that money was coming from, 153 00:08:51,454 --> 00:08:54,334 Speaker 2: and it wasn't all horse farms and quaint rental properties. 154 00:08:54,814 --> 00:08:58,054 Speaker 2: The King, the Prince and their Secret Millions documentary, which 155 00:08:58,094 --> 00:09:00,334 Speaker 2: was a joint investigation with The Sunday Times in the 156 00:09:00,414 --> 00:09:03,574 Speaker 2: Daily Mirror, claims that the royal family charges the British 157 00:09:03,654 --> 00:09:07,814 Speaker 2: Armed Forces, charities and even the NHS the National Health 158 00:09:07,854 --> 00:09:11,334 Speaker 2: Service to use their profit and land to talk us 159 00:09:11,334 --> 00:09:13,934 Speaker 2: through the financial affairs of Prince William and King Charles 160 00:09:14,294 --> 00:09:17,814 Speaker 2: is Muma MIA's royal correspondent Rebel Wiley. Rebel the feedback 161 00:09:17,854 --> 00:09:19,854 Speaker 2: we always get when we do a story on the 162 00:09:19,854 --> 00:09:22,654 Speaker 2: British Royals, no matter the topic is why do we 163 00:09:22,774 --> 00:09:25,614 Speaker 2: care and should we care about them and their inner workings. 164 00:09:26,054 --> 00:09:28,534 Speaker 1: I think the reason people care at the moment is 165 00:09:28,574 --> 00:09:31,774 Speaker 1: because the cost of living crisis, the budgets are being 166 00:09:31,814 --> 00:09:34,494 Speaker 1: done right now, and nobody's in a good place. There's 167 00:09:34,534 --> 00:09:37,174 Speaker 1: not a lot of money around. And then when everyone's 168 00:09:37,174 --> 00:09:39,574 Speaker 1: struggling so much, to see that these royals are making 169 00:09:39,774 --> 00:09:42,654 Speaker 1: millions and millions of dollars and to learn that it's 170 00:09:42,654 --> 00:09:47,854 Speaker 1: coming from money that could be going to public funds, 171 00:09:48,214 --> 00:09:49,374 Speaker 1: people do care at the. 172 00:09:49,334 --> 00:09:52,414 Speaker 2: Moment, Well, can you talk us through where some of 173 00:09:52,454 --> 00:09:55,534 Speaker 2: that funding is coming from and what for? Because this 174 00:09:55,654 --> 00:10:00,094 Speaker 2: investigation took three separate news outlets nearly half a year 175 00:10:00,134 --> 00:10:02,734 Speaker 2: to put together. It took a lot of legwork for 176 00:10:02,774 --> 00:10:05,614 Speaker 2: them to understand where this money is filtering through to 177 00:10:05,734 --> 00:10:08,814 Speaker 2: and from because the Royals don't have to share this information, 178 00:10:08,854 --> 00:10:11,694 Speaker 2: do they Because to tically, nothing they're doing is illegal. 179 00:10:11,734 --> 00:10:12,974 Speaker 2: But what are they actually doing? 180 00:10:13,574 --> 00:10:18,654 Speaker 1: So the Royals to receive an income from the sovereign grant, 181 00:10:18,694 --> 00:10:21,254 Speaker 1: So they received an income for performing their public duties, 182 00:10:21,254 --> 00:10:23,494 Speaker 1: and that's all sort of accepted. That's all out in 183 00:10:23,534 --> 00:10:27,214 Speaker 1: the public. Everyone knows about that. The King and other 184 00:10:27,254 --> 00:10:29,214 Speaker 1: working members of the Royal family use that money to 185 00:10:29,214 --> 00:10:31,694 Speaker 1: pay for expenses related to their official duties. The vast 186 00:10:31,734 --> 00:10:34,214 Speaker 1: majority is spent on the upkeep of their properties and 187 00:10:34,254 --> 00:10:36,454 Speaker 1: the staff costs. Like the members of the Royal family 188 00:10:36,454 --> 00:10:39,294 Speaker 1: carried out two thousand, seven hundred engagements across the UK 189 00:10:39,414 --> 00:10:42,974 Speaker 1: and abroad during the year, so they are working. So 190 00:10:43,014 --> 00:10:45,854 Speaker 1: that money that comes from the sovereign grant, everyone knows 191 00:10:45,854 --> 00:10:48,494 Speaker 1: about it. It's very public. Everyone accepts that that is 192 00:10:48,654 --> 00:10:51,534 Speaker 1: sort of not a problem. People understand that that's funded 193 00:10:51,734 --> 00:10:53,614 Speaker 1: So it's the duchies and how they make their income 194 00:10:53,654 --> 00:10:55,694 Speaker 1: that's been the crux of what people are upset about 195 00:10:55,694 --> 00:10:59,534 Speaker 1: following this investigation. So the first controversy around these duchies 196 00:10:59,654 --> 00:11:02,374 Speaker 1: is that they were established centuries ago, over seven hundred 197 00:11:02,414 --> 00:11:05,654 Speaker 1: and fifty years ago, by medieval monarchs. And let's just say, 198 00:11:05,734 --> 00:11:08,614 Speaker 1: like blant Land transaction has done over a polite handshake, 199 00:11:08,654 --> 00:11:11,134 Speaker 1: these lands were sea sometimes with a bit of muscles 200 00:11:11,134 --> 00:11:14,374 Speaker 1: centuries ago, and they've remained in royal hands since, generating 201 00:11:14,374 --> 00:11:17,574 Speaker 1: them private income. But the question now in twenty twenty 202 00:11:17,574 --> 00:11:20,654 Speaker 1: four is should these ancient cash cows really be still 203 00:11:20,694 --> 00:11:23,214 Speaker 1: making millions for the royals, especially off the lands that 204 00:11:23,254 --> 00:11:26,494 Speaker 1: were quite literally taken centuries ago. So that's the first 205 00:11:26,574 --> 00:11:30,734 Speaker 1: question that arises. The second question that arises is how 206 00:11:30,774 --> 00:11:34,094 Speaker 1: they're making money off those lands. So imagine that all 207 00:11:34,094 --> 00:11:36,294 Speaker 1: of these vast lands and buildings that are owned by 208 00:11:36,294 --> 00:11:39,534 Speaker 1: these duchies, they have on them public facilities like schools, 209 00:11:39,654 --> 00:11:44,734 Speaker 1: sports grounds, hospitals, churches, charities, public toilets even, and all 210 00:11:44,774 --> 00:11:47,414 Speaker 1: of those facilities pay rent to the duchies. And that's 211 00:11:47,454 --> 00:11:49,414 Speaker 1: a lot of rent, and that rent is being paid 212 00:11:49,454 --> 00:11:51,934 Speaker 1: by public money in a lot of situations. So the 213 00:11:51,974 --> 00:11:54,894 Speaker 1: tax payer money that's being paid to the duchies then 214 00:11:55,014 --> 00:11:57,534 Speaker 1: pays the King and the Prince private income. It's not 215 00:11:57,814 --> 00:12:00,254 Speaker 1: passing the sniff test when. 216 00:12:00,094 --> 00:12:04,854 Speaker 2: You say they're paying rent, like would they be subsidized rent? 217 00:12:04,974 --> 00:12:07,894 Speaker 2: Especially say if they were charity operating on those lands, 218 00:12:07,934 --> 00:12:09,814 Speaker 2: and I mean if they were, say a patriot of 219 00:12:09,854 --> 00:12:13,334 Speaker 2: the King, because the King does put his weight behind 220 00:12:13,334 --> 00:12:16,774 Speaker 2: a lot of those charities. Are they being charged rent accordingly? 221 00:12:17,414 --> 00:12:20,014 Speaker 1: No, So that's the thing. The King is quite often 222 00:12:20,014 --> 00:12:23,374 Speaker 1: a patron of these services that are being charged rents 223 00:12:23,494 --> 00:12:26,134 Speaker 1: and levies so like. So for example, last year, the 224 00:12:26,214 --> 00:12:28,414 Speaker 1: King struck a deal with the NHS. They were trying 225 00:12:28,414 --> 00:12:30,854 Speaker 1: to add more ambulances to their fleet and they were 226 00:12:30,894 --> 00:12:34,134 Speaker 1: trying to tackle the weight times, particularly after COVID. So 227 00:12:34,374 --> 00:12:36,174 Speaker 1: the thing about building up a fleet is that you 228 00:12:36,254 --> 00:12:39,614 Speaker 1: need garage space to house the new ambulances. And at 229 00:12:39,614 --> 00:12:42,054 Speaker 1: the time that this all went out, the press from 230 00:12:42,054 --> 00:12:43,934 Speaker 1: the palace was huge, and that was the King had 231 00:12:43,934 --> 00:12:46,334 Speaker 1: granted warehouses for them to use. But the truth is 232 00:12:46,374 --> 00:12:49,654 Speaker 1: it wasn't granted. The Duchy is charging eleven million pounds 233 00:12:49,694 --> 00:12:52,734 Speaker 1: over fifteen years to the NHS Trust to use that 234 00:12:52,854 --> 00:12:57,374 Speaker 1: space to house the new ambulances. Similarly, Prince William's Duchy 235 00:12:57,414 --> 00:13:00,494 Speaker 1: owns the land under Duartmore Prison and he's charging taxpace 236 00:13:00,614 --> 00:13:03,614 Speaker 1: thirty seven million pounds over twenty five years for the 237 00:13:03,654 --> 00:13:06,734 Speaker 1: prison to operate on that land. Like there's no sweet 238 00:13:06,734 --> 00:13:10,254 Speaker 1: deals for these services. They're being charged a premium rent. 239 00:13:11,014 --> 00:13:13,134 Speaker 2: What about because this is something the royal family has 240 00:13:13,174 --> 00:13:16,854 Speaker 2: been quite vocal about, especially now under King Charles, is 241 00:13:16,854 --> 00:13:19,534 Speaker 2: that the decisions that they make, and I know that 242 00:13:19,534 --> 00:13:22,294 Speaker 2: they've done quite a bit, like they're Bentley's are now 243 00:13:22,574 --> 00:13:25,774 Speaker 2: partially run on biofuel. They've got new helicopters coming in 244 00:13:25,774 --> 00:13:28,214 Speaker 2: which will also run on biofuel, and they are doing 245 00:13:28,254 --> 00:13:30,654 Speaker 2: things to make sure that they're more environmentally friendly. I know, 246 00:13:30,774 --> 00:13:32,854 Speaker 2: because I don't think people understand the land isn't just 247 00:13:32,854 --> 00:13:35,574 Speaker 2: the land, it's the seabed that extends out from the 248 00:13:35,614 --> 00:13:38,254 Speaker 2: country as well. So they've got wind farms out there 249 00:13:38,294 --> 00:13:40,694 Speaker 2: that make some money too, which is also helping towards 250 00:13:40,734 --> 00:13:44,854 Speaker 2: renewable energy targets. But are they actually when we looked 251 00:13:44,934 --> 00:13:49,174 Speaker 2: into the background of these transactions, are they being as 252 00:13:49,294 --> 00:13:51,414 Speaker 2: environmentally friendly as they're saying they are? 253 00:13:51,774 --> 00:13:55,694 Speaker 1: No? Not really, So the thing is operating these duchies. 254 00:13:55,694 --> 00:13:57,974 Speaker 1: They are not really breaking any laws. The only thing 255 00:13:58,014 --> 00:14:00,894 Speaker 1: that is a bit iffy is that they rent out 256 00:14:00,894 --> 00:14:04,654 Speaker 1: a number of residential properties, and the law is that 257 00:14:05,374 --> 00:14:07,094 Speaker 1: to rent out a property, you have to reach a 258 00:14:07,094 --> 00:14:10,694 Speaker 1: minimum energy efficient standard, and dozens of the properties that 259 00:14:10,734 --> 00:14:12,694 Speaker 1: are owned by the king aren't meeting that standard at 260 00:14:12,734 --> 00:14:14,654 Speaker 1: the moment, and that's something that they have addressed. They're 261 00:14:14,654 --> 00:14:16,454 Speaker 1: saying that they're working on that, but in the meantime, 262 00:14:16,494 --> 00:14:19,134 Speaker 1: they're still renting out those properties. So that is the 263 00:14:19,174 --> 00:14:22,094 Speaker 1: only thing in this whole scandal that is a little 264 00:14:22,094 --> 00:14:26,054 Speaker 1: bit iffy on the legality everything else that they're doing, 265 00:14:26,174 --> 00:14:28,734 Speaker 1: even though it's not passing the sniff test, it's kind 266 00:14:28,734 --> 00:14:29,174 Speaker 1: of legal. 267 00:14:29,774 --> 00:14:32,894 Speaker 2: Can the royals, though, survive on less money, rebel because 268 00:14:33,334 --> 00:14:36,214 Speaker 2: it does take a lot of money to upkeep those 269 00:14:36,254 --> 00:14:39,894 Speaker 2: properties and to make sure that they're staffed, Like I imagine, 270 00:14:40,334 --> 00:14:42,854 Speaker 2: you know, if they gave up those duchies, that maybe 271 00:14:42,854 --> 00:14:45,054 Speaker 2: some of those properties wouldn't be able to be kept 272 00:14:45,054 --> 00:14:46,014 Speaker 2: in the condition that they are. 273 00:14:46,534 --> 00:14:49,734 Speaker 1: So the thing is that the controversy around those duchies 274 00:14:49,774 --> 00:14:51,774 Speaker 1: is should they even be long to the royals in 275 00:14:51,774 --> 00:14:55,294 Speaker 1: the first place, So they do get their money from 276 00:14:55,494 --> 00:14:58,054 Speaker 1: the sovereign grant, and that pays for the upkeep of 277 00:14:58,254 --> 00:15:02,414 Speaker 1: the crown owned properties like Buckingham Palace. That's all paid 278 00:15:02,454 --> 00:15:04,934 Speaker 1: for by the Crown. That's not paid for out of 279 00:15:04,934 --> 00:15:08,254 Speaker 1: the duchies. The duchies pay for the estates and the 280 00:15:08,334 --> 00:15:11,134 Speaker 1: land that are owned by Then the thing that is 281 00:15:11,134 --> 00:15:14,014 Speaker 1: a bit iffy is should that even be benefiting the royals, 282 00:15:14,014 --> 00:15:17,174 Speaker 1: Like shouldn't that be public money? The Duchy of Lancaster 283 00:15:17,294 --> 00:15:19,734 Speaker 1: is an ancient inheritance created over seven hundred and fifty 284 00:15:19,814 --> 00:15:22,374 Speaker 1: years ago in twelve sixty five, and the title the 285 00:15:22,454 --> 00:15:25,054 Speaker 1: Duke of Lancaster has been held by a reigning sovereign 286 00:15:25,094 --> 00:15:28,094 Speaker 1: since Henry the fourth and it continues to be used Currently. 287 00:15:28,094 --> 00:15:30,614 Speaker 1: Old Charlie is the beneficiary and he raked in twenty 288 00:15:30,654 --> 00:15:35,334 Speaker 1: seven point four million dollars of personal private income from 289 00:15:35,334 --> 00:15:35,934 Speaker 1: that duchy. 290 00:15:36,334 --> 00:15:39,534 Speaker 2: So none of that goes towards like maintaining any of 291 00:15:39,574 --> 00:15:42,654 Speaker 2: the properties like on the grounds of Buckingham Palace for example. 292 00:15:42,814 --> 00:15:45,094 Speaker 1: No, so Buckingham Palace is owned by the Crown, not 293 00:15:45,214 --> 00:15:48,614 Speaker 1: by the duchies, so that income is in his pocket, 294 00:15:48,654 --> 00:15:51,734 Speaker 1: that is private income. So the duchies would pay for 295 00:15:51,774 --> 00:15:54,094 Speaker 1: the upkeep of the estates that they own, and this 296 00:15:54,174 --> 00:15:56,854 Speaker 1: investigation found out that the King and Prince William currently 297 00:15:56,854 --> 00:16:00,734 Speaker 1: owned over five thousand pieces of property. The income that 298 00:16:00,734 --> 00:16:02,694 Speaker 1: they're making a rant pace for the upkeep of those 299 00:16:02,734 --> 00:16:06,094 Speaker 1: and then the surpluss which goes to income for Old 300 00:16:06,254 --> 00:16:09,174 Speaker 1: Charlie and William. So William got twenty three point six 301 00:16:09,214 --> 00:16:12,494 Speaker 1: million from the Duchy of Cornwell just in the past year, 302 00:16:13,254 --> 00:16:16,694 Speaker 1: and the King got twenty seven point four million from 303 00:16:16,694 --> 00:16:18,294 Speaker 1: the Duchy of Lancaste last year. 304 00:16:18,814 --> 00:16:21,494 Speaker 2: One of those five thousand properties is a royal lodge 305 00:16:21,694 --> 00:16:24,774 Speaker 2: where Prince Andrew currently lives. Charles has been trying to 306 00:16:24,854 --> 00:16:27,054 Speaker 2: kick Andrew out of that property for quite some time 307 00:16:27,094 --> 00:16:29,534 Speaker 2: now after all of that issue that he had with 308 00:16:29,694 --> 00:16:33,974 Speaker 2: associating with certain people like Jeffrey Epstein. And he's coming 309 00:16:34,014 --> 00:16:36,934 Speaker 2: off financially too, because he was financially supporting his brother 310 00:16:36,974 --> 00:16:39,494 Speaker 2: for a while there. But now we're reading reports that 311 00:16:39,494 --> 00:16:43,974 Speaker 2: Prince Andrew has mysteriously found the funds to maintain the 312 00:16:44,054 --> 00:16:46,374 Speaker 2: upkeep of the Royal Lodge and is trying to lobby 313 00:16:46,414 --> 00:16:49,094 Speaker 2: to stay there. But we don't know where that money 314 00:16:49,094 --> 00:16:52,014 Speaker 2: has come from, and he's allowed to keep that under wraps. 315 00:16:52,134 --> 00:16:56,414 Speaker 2: Should we, as Commonwealth citizens or citizens of the UK 316 00:16:57,334 --> 00:17:00,014 Speaker 2: be told where money is coming to fund the royal family. 317 00:17:00,454 --> 00:17:02,574 Speaker 1: In theory, we should, but we don't have to be 318 00:17:02,574 --> 00:17:05,614 Speaker 1: because these duchies are run as private enterprises, so they're 319 00:17:05,614 --> 00:17:08,334 Speaker 1: not run by the Crown, so they don't have to 320 00:17:08,374 --> 00:17:10,974 Speaker 1: declare what the money is spent. They can charge government 321 00:17:11,054 --> 00:17:13,974 Speaker 1: departments via these levees and they don't have to be 322 00:17:14,054 --> 00:17:17,134 Speaker 1: accountable for it because they are run as private companies, 323 00:17:17,654 --> 00:17:21,534 Speaker 1: so they're just under a shroud of privacy that is legal. 324 00:17:21,974 --> 00:17:23,854 Speaker 1: While we might want to know, like, they don't have 325 00:17:23,894 --> 00:17:24,734 Speaker 1: to tell us. 326 00:17:25,134 --> 00:17:28,374 Speaker 2: Do you feel like the Princess of Wales returning to 327 00:17:28,454 --> 00:17:32,574 Speaker 2: royal duties just recently, like literally just this past week, 328 00:17:33,134 --> 00:17:34,774 Speaker 2: do we feel like that's a bit of a deflection 329 00:17:34,974 --> 00:17:38,414 Speaker 2: from this whole money discussion, And do you think it's 330 00:17:38,454 --> 00:17:41,014 Speaker 2: been successful Because all of the headlines I'm reading right 331 00:17:41,014 --> 00:17:43,134 Speaker 2: now are about Catherine, So that's the thing. 332 00:17:43,414 --> 00:17:47,254 Speaker 1: Everybody loves a young royal, Everybody loves a nice royal. 333 00:17:47,294 --> 00:17:50,174 Speaker 1: Catherine is so loved, so popping her out into the 334 00:17:50,174 --> 00:17:52,734 Speaker 1: public at this time could be seen as a deflection 335 00:17:53,334 --> 00:17:56,534 Speaker 1: because royalists, if you're really like a supporter of the 336 00:17:56,614 --> 00:17:58,574 Speaker 1: Royal family. You're not going to care about the money. 337 00:17:58,734 --> 00:18:01,374 Speaker 1: It's like you're getting what you pay for. So that's 338 00:18:01,454 --> 00:18:02,934 Speaker 1: what you want. You want to see the royals out 339 00:18:02,974 --> 00:18:04,934 Speaker 1: and about. You want to see them through public engagements. 340 00:18:04,934 --> 00:18:07,174 Speaker 1: You want a chance to give them a bunch of flowers. 341 00:18:07,374 --> 00:18:10,014 Speaker 1: So essentially it could be seen as a reflection. 342 00:18:11,654 --> 00:18:14,494 Speaker 2: The documentary points out the hypocrisy of the royal family's 343 00:18:14,494 --> 00:18:16,694 Speaker 2: dedication to environmental causes. 344 00:18:17,054 --> 00:18:21,614 Speaker 4: The shared goals for our generation are clear. Together we 345 00:18:21,694 --> 00:18:27,334 Speaker 4: must protect and restore nature, clean our air, revive our oceans, 346 00:18:27,774 --> 00:18:31,294 Speaker 4: build a waste free world, and fix our climate. 347 00:18:33,174 --> 00:18:37,294 Speaker 2: Dutchy owned quarries blast rock for road surface materials, covering 348 00:18:37,294 --> 00:18:41,174 Speaker 2: nearby residents in dust and fumes, interrupting their previously quiet 349 00:18:41,214 --> 00:18:44,654 Speaker 2: lives with the sound of explosions. Their mining interests have 350 00:18:44,694 --> 00:18:48,374 Speaker 2: seen licenses to explore granted in communities that have not 351 00:18:48,454 --> 00:18:52,054 Speaker 2: yet recovered from mining activity of the past, activity that's 352 00:18:52,094 --> 00:18:57,734 Speaker 2: destroyed ecosystems indefinitely. A development deal at Whipsdery Beach saw 353 00:18:57,774 --> 00:19:01,734 Speaker 2: an entire cliff face collapse, blocking access to the water. 354 00:19:02,174 --> 00:19:04,814 Speaker 2: A collapse at the Duchy of Cornwall was warned about 355 00:19:05,054 --> 00:19:07,574 Speaker 2: and could have stopped, but chose to take the money 356 00:19:07,614 --> 00:19:12,614 Speaker 2: insteads charges rent for liver Pudlians to use the River Mersey, 357 00:19:12,814 --> 00:19:15,494 Speaker 2: their famous ferry docking at a site the King charges 358 00:19:15,534 --> 00:19:18,254 Speaker 2: them more than one hundred and thirty thousand pounds to use. 359 00:19:18,294 --> 00:19:21,534 Speaker 2: Since twenty eleven, the local mayor is concerned that his 360 00:19:21,654 --> 00:19:24,974 Speaker 2: title project that aims to help with renewable energy using 361 00:19:25,014 --> 00:19:28,214 Speaker 2: the river as a power source blender requiring payments to 362 00:19:28,254 --> 00:19:32,214 Speaker 2: the King. While saying he will return some money from 363 00:19:32,214 --> 00:19:35,094 Speaker 2: profits he is making from offshore wind farms, King Charles 364 00:19:35,134 --> 00:19:37,894 Speaker 2: still charges rent for the land the cables crosses at 365 00:19:37,894 --> 00:19:41,414 Speaker 2: the shoreline. Those leases make him twenty eight million pounds. 366 00:19:41,734 --> 00:19:44,454 Speaker 2: Experts say that saying you'll give some of the taxpayers 367 00:19:44,494 --> 00:19:48,014 Speaker 2: money back while also charging taxpayers for use of land 368 00:19:48,334 --> 00:19:51,854 Speaker 2: does not pass the court of public opinion. The Duchy 369 00:19:51,854 --> 00:19:54,734 Speaker 2: of Cornwall also charges the military an unknown amount of 370 00:19:54,774 --> 00:19:58,094 Speaker 2: money to use land to train soldiers. When the investigators 371 00:19:58,134 --> 00:20:01,014 Speaker 2: filed a freedom of information claimed to the military, the 372 00:20:01,094 --> 00:20:04,414 Speaker 2: report they received was so heavily redacted it was basically 373 00:20:04,494 --> 00:20:08,414 Speaker 2: page after page of black squares. The Duchy of Lancaster 374 00:20:08,534 --> 00:20:11,094 Speaker 2: also charged the NAT five you one million pounds to 375 00:20:11,134 --> 00:20:14,334 Speaker 2: build and use jetties to dock ships, and ten thousand 376 00:20:14,334 --> 00:20:16,454 Speaker 2: pounds a year for the next one hundred and twenty 377 00:20:16,534 --> 00:20:20,494 Speaker 2: years to lease an oil storage facility fire stations that 378 00:20:20,534 --> 00:20:23,174 Speaker 2: had to be built to Royal architectural designs, where they 379 00:20:23,214 --> 00:20:25,854 Speaker 2: pay them tens of thousands of pounds in rent while 380 00:20:25,894 --> 00:20:29,294 Speaker 2: the emergency services struggle to make ends meet. They charged 381 00:20:29,294 --> 00:20:33,214 Speaker 2: the publicly funded NHS to park their ambulances, publicly funded 382 00:20:33,214 --> 00:20:36,134 Speaker 2: state schools to exist on their land, and they charge 383 00:20:36,254 --> 00:20:39,174 Speaker 2: charities who have offices in their buildings, like Comic Relief 384 00:20:39,214 --> 00:20:42,254 Speaker 2: and the Cancer Support Service McMillan, a charity that the 385 00:20:42,334 --> 00:20:46,014 Speaker 2: King is a patron of thousands and thousands of pounds 386 00:20:46,014 --> 00:20:48,694 Speaker 2: in rent, while at the same time asking people to 387 00:20:48,814 --> 00:20:52,214 Speaker 2: donate to them in support. The kicker of it all 388 00:20:52,534 --> 00:20:54,934 Speaker 2: is that while these endeavors make the two most senior 389 00:20:55,014 --> 00:20:58,574 Speaker 2: royals millions, because the Duchies are run as private estates 390 00:20:58,654 --> 00:21:01,534 Speaker 2: and not a business, even though they have leases with 391 00:21:01,814 --> 00:21:05,694 Speaker 2: companies like Tesco's the supermarket chain, they are exempt from 392 00:21:05,734 --> 00:21:09,334 Speaker 2: paying corporation or capital gains tax. The Prince and the 393 00:21:09,414 --> 00:21:12,614 Speaker 2: King King also don't pay income tax, and even though 394 00:21:12,614 --> 00:21:16,014 Speaker 2: they offered to Charles and William have refused to declare 395 00:21:16,094 --> 00:21:19,054 Speaker 2: how much they make after paying for all the trappings 396 00:21:19,054 --> 00:21:23,454 Speaker 2: of royal life for it to be transparently calculated. 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